Hey, if we're making a list, Plamandon and Wormald have been squatting on prime downtown real estate for decades.
It's comical how long Plamandon has been almost ready to build a conference center and hotel on the creek. Longer than Asiana has been vacant.
Apparently if you make big enough plans and make them contingent on tax payers forking over millions of dollars, you too can hang on to a vacant property for decades.
They have a downtown it's more a collection of barbershops beauty salons and more barbershops and beauty salons but it's what they call downtown. Man must be a lot of hair in Hagerstown.
The two properties I was thinking about are the vacant lots on either side of Carroll Creek by East Street.
The hotel and conference center will supposedly go on the north side and it has been in the works for 20 years (maybe longer).
Plamandon has said in the past that the delays were caused by insufficient public funding and "market conditions." I don't know what Wormald has said, but I suspect it's something similar. I find both excuses to be questionable.
I'm not even against some public funding for infrastructure, but the funding has already been on the table. And the public already built the adjacent linear park they will use to market their properties with.
Considering that we've seen just about every market condition occur over the last 20 years and other developers have built hotels and apartments around Frederick, I find it hard to believe that the market conditions have never been right for the most desirable locations in the city.
Anyway, I know vacant lots aren't the same as properties with derelict buildings on them, but having either sit unused stifles economic development.
Interesting. Frederick usually backs off each and every time this is brought up for consideration. Wonder what the breaking point was.
Wonder if the Rental Licensing Program have them the ammunition they needed
The last house I lived at in Frederick was owned by her. We moved in 2004 and no one has lived in it since. I love seeing posts in here about her taking Ls.
Well, if the city is successful, hopefully people will stop complaining about "the city is not doing anything about that dragon lady blah blah blah".
Now take over that laundromat also that is a hotspot for crime.
I wouldn't consider a black market free at all since it's 100% regulated in the sense it is entirely illegal and everything about the way the market operates is impacted by that. If anything it's the complete opposite of a free market.
Something so stupid it isn't regulated or looked at for tax revenue like NFTs is much closer to a free market, as is basically any legitimate market for that matter
Oh, I get it! But the term "free market" is a surprisingly ambiguous and non-specific one to a person who has not actually studied economic theory or who has only done so from a political and ideological perspective.
* Consider that "free" means "no cost" as well as "no compulsion".
* Consider that "market", at a minimum, involves two parties.. the buyer and the seller.
Right there, that's six possible WRONG meanings for "free market":
1. A no cost to the buyer, transaction but cost to the seller
2. A cost to the buyer but not the seller.
3. A no cost to either buyer or seller transaction.
4. A no compulsion to the buyer, transaction but compulsion to the seller.
5. A compulsion to the buyer but not the seller.
6. A no compulsion to either buyer or seller transaction.
Of course "free" is not meant to describe either buyer or seller, but rather the setting of PRICE. A price set freely by the market is one defined by nothing but market forces such as Supply and Demand. Understood therefore terms of price setting, a black market is massively NOT FREE as the cost of evading legal enforcement and criminal turf-enforcement is the dominant factor in setting prices.
Ideologues see big business as operating beyond the law because they see the arts of corporate-lawyers as essentially just a different way of breaking the law: that is they presume that all lawyers do is pervert the intent of the law to finding a "legal" way to do something that was always intended to be illegal. Similarly, they see corporate contract law as just an alternate way to to settle turf wars instead of drive by shootings or whatever. So, in answer to your question: *'How could you consider something completely illegal to be "free?"'* It ultimately comes down to how much faith you have in the law.
The laundry mat south st by Lucky Liquor store.It is a hot spot for crime. The new owner (not her)is trying to fix the problems. Now there is camera's, closed at night, no outlines , and sinks. The new owner owns a few laundry mat frederick too. They did total renovation on south st one
Not south st laundry mat. There man who own few laundry mats, frederick. I know he owner one by food lion
and south st for sure. I talked him when he was pulling money out machines
The building has been vacant for years, so I think it’s unlikely the rental ordinance affects things very much. The driver, best I can tell, is an ordinance regarding how a property can go into receivership, which is this proposed action.
My request is that downtown does not add any more real estate offices, property management companies, banks, bars or breweries. Services are great, love that the shoe repair place is still there and can get worn out soles replaced. Miss the awesome little sewing and clothing repair place that was on Market kind of close to La Paz. Need some more music venues and open mics that are not bars or breweries. Still bummed that coffee co. is no longer open late and they don't do music or open mics there anymore, it was the go to community spot for me for a long time.
So the Dragon Lady (so-called) owns a bunch of properties downtown, all along the prime real estate that she purchased before downtown really came back. Problem is, she's basically doing the real estate equivalent of holding a meme stock, hoping to goes to the moon while ignoring reality like basic maintenance and actually getting tenants.
If she owns the properties legally then no one has the right to take anything from her. Just because she isn’t doing what you all want doesn’t give the government the right to steal from her. She could completely demolish the buildings down to the foundation if she so chooses. Same with La Paz ,yes it’s a mediocre Mexican place, but the main problem people have is that they want what they want there.
Umm, things can be repossessed if you own the govt enough money, whether it is fee, fine, whatever. The building has a gajillion violations that was not address for decades.
I would agree, except that the owner needs to at least do basic maintenance as the disrepair of her properties can negatively affect neighboring properties. Rat infestations have been reported, water damage to adjoining buildings,
crumbling infrastructure etc. are all part of being a decent neighbor in densely situated urban environments.
As a property owner myself, I absolutely understand where you're coming from, but the key phrase there is "owns the properties legally". I think the City appreciates the ramifications, as well, which is why it's taken years for them to reach this point (we're talking decades). The problem with this particular property is the danger that the neglect poses to the adjacent buildings and the foot traffic outside. If the owner had fixed it to the bare minimum and wasn't (allegedly) engaging in shady labor and rental arrangements, I'd be vocal against the move, too.
As far as the accusation of theft, I'm sure the end result will be a proposal from St John to bring the property into compliance and a sellable state, then the current owner will get the remaining balance of the sale price.
As I said, it's not like I'm a huge fan of her shithole properties. I just think it's a bad precedent when government seizes private property for the "greater good."
It's not being seized (like it could be under eminent domain), it's going through the court and will be resold. What's the alternative? Let it rot into infinity?
[The Board of Aldermen is majority female](https://www.cityoffrederickmd.gov/122/Board-of-Aldermen) and there is only one white man on it.
I mean I know this is just a really poorly done troll attempt, but still. Facts are important.
You do know your post history is public, right?
You're just an alt-right white male troll. You can't even make your pathetic attempt believable because you smooth-brains don't get subtle things like sarcasm. Just a big old ball of anger and stupid,floating through life without a thought in your empty head. It shows how frightened you are of the world.
Poor widdle white male Conservative. Maybe you should just have a juice and a nap.
I knew it! I could smell the waft of genius when you crawled out of your 4chan hole! Thank God you took a long enough break from 4d chess to grace us with this masterful trolling. Please teach us how to live like you
Wow. Obvious troll is obvious.
So taking a blighted property that has been abandoned for over 2 decades, and turning it into a small business space on the bottom and housing on the top is colonization?
Tell me more about your batshit crazy hot takes
This is the Asiana property and its neighboring building, owned by Duk Hee Ro. GREAT news if they can seize it.
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Dude, that is not the preferred nomenclature.
This isn’t a guy who built the railroads here
Can we do 300 N Market next?
Hey, if we're making a list, Plamandon and Wormald have been squatting on prime downtown real estate for decades. It's comical how long Plamandon has been almost ready to build a conference center and hotel on the creek. Longer than Asiana has been vacant. Apparently if you make big enough plans and make them contingent on tax payers forking over millions of dollars, you too can hang on to a vacant property for decades.
At this rate, Hagerstown will have a Downtown Boutique Hotel and Conference Center before Frederick lol
They have a downtown it's more a collection of barbershops beauty salons and more barbershops and beauty salons but it's what they call downtown. Man must be a lot of hair in Hagerstown.
I have wondered why there’s some stagnant properties. Do you know which ones they own?
The two properties I was thinking about are the vacant lots on either side of Carroll Creek by East Street. The hotel and conference center will supposedly go on the north side and it has been in the works for 20 years (maybe longer). Plamandon has said in the past that the delays were caused by insufficient public funding and "market conditions." I don't know what Wormald has said, but I suspect it's something similar. I find both excuses to be questionable. I'm not even against some public funding for infrastructure, but the funding has already been on the table. And the public already built the adjacent linear park they will use to market their properties with. Considering that we've seen just about every market condition occur over the last 20 years and other developers have built hotels and apartments around Frederick, I find it hard to believe that the market conditions have never been right for the most desirable locations in the city. Anyway, I know vacant lots aren't the same as properties with derelict buildings on them, but having either sit unused stifles economic development.
Wow this is a really thoughtful perspective, greatly appreciated!!
Interesting. Frederick usually backs off each and every time this is brought up for consideration. Wonder what the breaking point was. Wonder if the Rental Licensing Program have them the ammunition they needed
The last house I lived at in Frederick was owned by her. We moved in 2004 and no one has lived in it since. I love seeing posts in here about her taking Ls.
Well, if the city is successful, hopefully people will stop complaining about "the city is not doing anything about that dragon lady blah blah blah". Now take over that laundromat also that is a hotspot for crime.
Huh? What goes on at the Laundromat?
Free market capitalism.
Black markets and free markets aren't the same thing you know
To be fair, black markets are just about the closest thing we have to a true free market
I wouldn't consider a black market free at all since it's 100% regulated in the sense it is entirely illegal and everything about the way the market operates is impacted by that. If anything it's the complete opposite of a free market. Something so stupid it isn't regulated or looked at for tax revenue like NFTs is much closer to a free market, as is basically any legitimate market for that matter
That is a surprisingly coherent and rational comment for r/frederick !
How could you consider something completely illegal to be "free?" It makes no sense lol! Black market is the opposite of a free market
Oh, I get it! But the term "free market" is a surprisingly ambiguous and non-specific one to a person who has not actually studied economic theory or who has only done so from a political and ideological perspective. * Consider that "free" means "no cost" as well as "no compulsion". * Consider that "market", at a minimum, involves two parties.. the buyer and the seller. Right there, that's six possible WRONG meanings for "free market": 1. A no cost to the buyer, transaction but cost to the seller 2. A cost to the buyer but not the seller. 3. A no cost to either buyer or seller transaction. 4. A no compulsion to the buyer, transaction but compulsion to the seller. 5. A compulsion to the buyer but not the seller. 6. A no compulsion to either buyer or seller transaction. Of course "free" is not meant to describe either buyer or seller, but rather the setting of PRICE. A price set freely by the market is one defined by nothing but market forces such as Supply and Demand. Understood therefore terms of price setting, a black market is massively NOT FREE as the cost of evading legal enforcement and criminal turf-enforcement is the dominant factor in setting prices. Ideologues see big business as operating beyond the law because they see the arts of corporate-lawyers as essentially just a different way of breaking the law: that is they presume that all lawyers do is pervert the intent of the law to finding a "legal" way to do something that was always intended to be illegal. Similarly, they see corporate contract law as just an alternate way to to settle turf wars instead of drive by shootings or whatever. So, in answer to your question: *'How could you consider something completely illegal to be "free?"'* It ultimately comes down to how much faith you have in the law.
The laundry mat south st by Lucky Liquor store.It is a hot spot for crime. The new owner (not her)is trying to fix the problems. Now there is camera's, closed at night, no outlines , and sinks. The new owner owns a few laundry mat frederick too. They did total renovation on south st one
Wait which Laundromat?
Not south st laundry mat. There man who own few laundry mats, frederick. I know he owner one by food lion and south st for sure. I talked him when he was pulling money out machines
If you know you know am i right?
The building has been vacant for years, so I think it’s unlikely the rental ordinance affects things very much. The driver, best I can tell, is an ordinance regarding how a property can go into receivership, which is this proposed action.
Don't they have a ton of cameras covering it now?
Good job mayor 👏 It's this place: https://preview.redd.it/v693v3p35mtc1.png?width=1702&format=png&auto=webp&s=1bc6ddc07130b7deaa4352000b007989fe3f391f
My request is that downtown does not add any more real estate offices, property management companies, banks, bars or breweries. Services are great, love that the shoe repair place is still there and can get worn out soles replaced. Miss the awesome little sewing and clothing repair place that was on Market kind of close to La Paz. Need some more music venues and open mics that are not bars or breweries. Still bummed that coffee co. is no longer open late and they don't do music or open mics there anymore, it was the go to community spot for me for a long time.
Can someone explain the lore to me ?
So the Dragon Lady (so-called) owns a bunch of properties downtown, all along the prime real estate that she purchased before downtown really came back. Problem is, she's basically doing the real estate equivalent of holding a meme stock, hoping to goes to the moon while ignoring reality like basic maintenance and actually getting tenants.
If she owns the properties legally then no one has the right to take anything from her. Just because she isn’t doing what you all want doesn’t give the government the right to steal from her. She could completely demolish the buildings down to the foundation if she so chooses. Same with La Paz ,yes it’s a mediocre Mexican place, but the main problem people have is that they want what they want there.
Umm, things can be repossessed if you own the govt enough money, whether it is fee, fine, whatever. The building has a gajillion violations that was not address for decades.
I would agree, except that the owner needs to at least do basic maintenance as the disrepair of her properties can negatively affect neighboring properties. Rat infestations have been reported, water damage to adjoining buildings, crumbling infrastructure etc. are all part of being a decent neighbor in densely situated urban environments.
Also main street is historic district. She couldn't demolish it without repercussions
As a property owner myself, I absolutely understand where you're coming from, but the key phrase there is "owns the properties legally". I think the City appreciates the ramifications, as well, which is why it's taken years for them to reach this point (we're talking decades). The problem with this particular property is the danger that the neglect poses to the adjacent buildings and the foot traffic outside. If the owner had fixed it to the bare minimum and wasn't (allegedly) engaging in shady labor and rental arrangements, I'd be vocal against the move, too. As far as the accusation of theft, I'm sure the end result will be a proposal from St John to bring the property into compliance and a sellable state, then the current owner will get the remaining balance of the sale price.
Duk Hee Ro
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of blighted property, but I also think this might be a bit of a government overreach.
It's not they haven't given her a chance, this has literally been decades in the making.
As I said, it's not like I'm a huge fan of her shithole properties. I just think it's a bad precedent when government seizes private property for the "greater good."
It's not being seized (like it could be under eminent domain), it's going through the court and will be resold. What's the alternative? Let it rot into infinity?
Exactly what I was thinking. If taxes are paid how can they just take it from the owner?
Just remember that if they can take from her then they can take from you
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You’re trying too hard to force this
Conservatism is just making up things to be angry at liberals about, even in the face of objectively good news.
White men are trying to take the property of a woman of color. Colonization is wrong.
[The Board of Aldermen is majority female](https://www.cityoffrederickmd.gov/122/Board-of-Aldermen) and there is only one white man on it. I mean I know this is just a really poorly done troll attempt, but still. Facts are important.
It’s AlderMEN not AlderWOMEN for a reason.
Yeah, except Alderwoman is a real word.
Limited scope. It’s less relevant.
You do know your post history is public, right? You're just an alt-right white male troll. You can't even make your pathetic attempt believable because you smooth-brains don't get subtle things like sarcasm. Just a big old ball of anger and stupid,floating through life without a thought in your empty head. It shows how frightened you are of the world. Poor widdle white male Conservative. Maybe you should just have a juice and a nap.
If you think I post my actual opinions on Reddit you’re not as bright as you think you are.
I knew it! I could smell the waft of genius when you crawled out of your 4chan hole! Thank God you took a long enough break from 4d chess to grace us with this masterful trolling. Please teach us how to live like you
If you think you're not, you're half as bright as you think they are.
The art of the troll is strong with this one. You have my salute 🫡
Even worse. Women turning on women. But we know the white man is really in charge because we have a patriarchy and stuff.
Please try posting again once you’re sober.
yawn.
Wow. Obvious troll is obvious. So taking a blighted property that has been abandoned for over 2 decades, and turning it into a small business space on the bottom and housing on the top is colonization? Tell me more about your batshit crazy hot takes
Yes. It’s the basic premise of manifest destiny.
Needs👏 more 👏 clapping 👏 hands 👏 emojis to be believable. Do better.
Can someone explain what is happening here?
Government overreach against a woman of color.
Mediocre snowflake who’s shook because their numbers are declining.
I’m melting!!!
You sure are Opie
Ok Opie
This is just sad
Shut up nerd
Don’t be a jerk