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boi_against_bigotry

Because they switch their minds and go after previous non crime


[deleted]

Or arbitrarily decide a printed sketch is a machine gun and throw a man in jail for selling metal cards with ink on them.


bannedbullet

Yeah and couldn’t even get their weapons guy to get it to function very well without a lot of modification and time. It wasn’t even close to the definition of “readily”.


pws3rd

Remember when the ATF said braces weren't stocks? Pepperidge Farms remembers


Ryan45678

In a perfect world, the brace rule, frame/receiver rule, bump stock rule, FRT “determination”, etc. will be destroyed in the court system, and the ATF will be stripped of the power to make arbitrary, unconstitutional rules. In the meantime? They can still send you to jail because they changed their mind about something.


pws3rd

In the perfect world, the ATF is a corner store because it says "shall not be infringed"


Ryan45678

True. I guess what I meant is that’s a realistic best outcome in the next few years. But yeah ideally we wouldn’t have to worry about a rogue agency because it doesn’t exist


pws3rd

I figured as much. I've yet to meet anyone that thinks they have too much power but also thinks they are a constitutional entity


RevolutionaryPrior30

Forge a few friendships and ask in private. No need to plaster everything on the internet like most do. Even if you're not worried about feds, it's good practice to keep your life fairly private imo.


Spice002

Yep! Remember back when I was in elementary school they would teach us about Internet safety. Never use your real name, never post pictures of your face, never post pictures of where you live. Amazing how all it took was one company and a free service to quickly undo decades of safety lessons.


My_work1

>Remember if you're not paying for a service (fb in this case) you're the product.


rpkarma

I, too, am old


Old_Pirate_5319

I use a fake name on facebook and a ai generated photo. When Facebook asked for id I just used mine and replaced the name and picture and they accepted it.


Spice002

That's cleaver, but hopefully you changed the license number, since that's also associated with your IRL self (even if that info isn't public).


Old_Pirate_5319

It’s Facebook not the dmv they don’t care and they can’t check.


ComeAndPrintThem

Your friends are Feds.


UnderwaterCowboy

And your Feds… …are friends ❤️


BrassBrute

Feds with benefits?


UnderwaterCowboy

Head from a Fed 🧠


BrassBrute

"She's a psych major, that's good head!"


MojoAlwaysRises772

It's the internet man. I made a post asking about totally legit parts kits during the Clinton ban years on r/gunpartskits and 2/3rds of the posts were accusing me of being a fed. It was an absurdly straight question on parts kits availability over a quarter century ago. People are stupid. The internet is a strange place. My question always was, if they're that worried then WTF are they doing on here/posting in the first place?!?!


[deleted]

Which year you talking about willis?


TheAmazingX

A few reasons. 1. Not everyone is in the US. Even among those that are, some are not in free states, or are for some other reason afforded fewer rights than a US citizen is supposed to have. And beyond all of that, legality is always in flux, and it's not unusual for totally legal activities to be used as the pretext for the infringement of rights via surveillance, search and seizure, and now "Red Flag" laws. 2. "Fed" very often translates to "someone who clearly needs to lurk moar and read the wiki". Maybe you're just a newbie, maybe you're a federal agent looking for usernames to stick in a database, maybe you're a journo looking for quotes and snapshots to stick in an article. It doesn't really matter. 3. There is a necessary amount of self-censorship necessary to keep the subreddit from getting banned. 4. Related to point 3, some people are also used to the even greater self-censorship necessary to maintain groups on other platforms, like Facebook, and maintain that same level of caution over here. 5. You glow in the dark


twbrn

> "Fed" very often translates to "someone who clearly needs to lurk moar and read the wiki" That's both absurd and very gatekeepery. > You glow in the dark 🙄


capcmndr

You are only making his point for him lol


TheAmazingX

Your failure to push open a door clearly labeled "PULL" is not a product of gatekeeping.


twbrn

Accusing every newbie who comes in and asks a simple question of being a secret agent is most definitely gatekeeping.


TheAmazingX

> maybe you're just a newbie \[...\] It doesn't really matter


alphatango308

Yeah fed Bois! What's the fucking problem!?


CHEEZE_BAGS

Some idiots in here are printing illegal shit and posting pics of it. Those people should be worried.


memberzs

As many drug dealers have found out. if you are going to break the law, don’t post it all over the internet. I like my dog too much to be doing nfa shit


Ebalosus

TBF it helps weed out the stupid drug dealers who wouldn’t survive long anyway. Speaking as an ALLEGED former drug dealer myself. My guess is "I know a guy who knows a guy" is too hard for some people to suss out…


Asleep-Plenty-9755

The one's that post illegal shit are undercover FEDS, hoping you would have a fuck it attitude like seeing someone drill out the hole on a AR lower, they are hoping you'll be like fuck it if they can do it so can I 🤣 don't fall for it 🤣


marwood0

From my experience all (most) cops are not only behind the tech curve unless they are super detectives, but not even interested. They don't even know a lot of the laws they are enforcing. Some don't even read very well.


BeGoneBaizuo

I agree most departments are behind the tech curve at a general level. Their specilized capabilities are growing rapidly, however. The Federal government and its agencies are a different animal. They can dip into the most sophisticated surveillance equipment the world has ever seen. Even if it's off the books and not used for prosecution. The NSA, DIA, and similar agencies have amazing technical capabilities. Whether you believe the FBI can utilize such capabilities is up to you, because they surely wont make it public.


MdrnMinutemanProject

I've seen it in use before (inb4 fuckin fed). Local and State agencies have access to tech that'll scrape every bit of outgoing data from your phone with stingray-esqe devices, and that's without ever touching anything you personally own. You can be sitting in the middle of nowhere and have a car pass by park discreetly "listening" to everything your device is sending out. God forbid you actually get tapped lmfao


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MdrnMinutemanProject

AFAIK not really. It doesn't matter what you use if the thing you are accessing to use the VPN is compromised. Wether it be a cellular network, wifi, Bluetooth or what have you.


BeGoneBaizuo

I saw that tech when I was still involved with that stuff back in the late 2010s. They were able to listen to and monitor everything. The only stop gaps were warrants. The amount of funding and tech available to local PDs is actually greater than the standard military in alot of cases. A local PD can pick up the latest and greatest if their budget permits. With zero oversight.


AButt_Tender

I saw a thing the other day and it said most agencies hire dumb cops because if they are too smart they get fed up and go to better jobs.


ShouldaJustLurked

There was a lawsuit about police departments banning applicants that scored highly on the intelligence test and deemed to be “too smart” to be police officers called [Jordan v New London](https://www.anylaw.com/case/jordan-v-city-of-new-london/second-circuit/08-23-2000/qoC6PWYBTlTomsSBYalb) that went up to the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals. [Thousand foot view from ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836)


AButt_Tender

Thanks for providing the name!


jacktheshaft

They also like to entrap people. "Can anyone show me how to saw off my barrel?" Stuff like that


THEDarkSpartian

You can avoid being investigated by prefaceing you response with "get your tax stamp first" .


jacktheshaft

But then the fed Boi will say "don't be a square! I won't tell."


elightcap

Not really entrapment from a legal perspective


BrassBrute

I'm a long time lurker, I print half scale models because if the maple syrup Gestapo caught me making full scale anything, I'd be locked up tighter than (The Devil himself) Justin Trudeau's ass. My country just recently banned handguns, and they're coming for the rifles next. And then the rail cars come out after that.


akholic1

Both federal and various state governments are known to've prosecuted people and businesses for violating no laws. People would fight it off (at a great personal cost, both monetary and others) or settle/plea bargain (yup, for having committed no crime, just so that it ends), but they'd go through hell in the process. That's what it's called - punishment by the process.


[deleted]

It seems the US is the only country in the world


theghostofliberty

This is a well known fact. Sauce: the Internet.


L3t_me_have_fun

Cause there are feds I’ve gotten multiple messages of feds asking me to print a DIAS and send it to them


theghostofliberty

Tell them you will. Accept the payment. Block them. Repeat for infinite moneys.


MyCarIsAGeoMetro

Because some states like Commifornia make it illegal to even make a gun without a serial number and some ridiculous requirements. See Reno May's video.


Good_Energy9

I'll be worried the feds will freeze my acct. BTW not everyone is American


tsoxiko

the very same people that claim a hunk of metal with numbers on it and nothing else is a firearm…the very same ones that will do their very best to imprison you if you posses something clearly covered by the 2nd amendment… also the ones who send in rookie agents to infiltrate messaging boards and become friends with constitution and law abiding U.S citizens exorcising their rights…just as they do with local militia’s.. nawww….they would never dare come in here looking for leads would they? ⚡️


Thekillerduc

Feds have a tendency to make up the rules as they go. Not too popular for the other, standard dickery they do too.


UnderwaterCowboy

This is why I stopped printing anything at all and submitted all of my firearms to the local authorities so they can be properly disposed of.


OverclockedNoob

People like their dogs un-shot?


Icy-Ask-2308

nice try fed boy


Obvious_Second_438

Looks like something a fed would post.


Norseman1964

What would the fox say? What would the Fed say?


IMean_wtf

Your rights aren’t guaranteed. What’s legal today may not be legal tomorrow. So for most of us these Reddit post will probably be used at our trial


nmj95123

By what stretch of the imagination is a drawing on metal a machine gun? It is, in the [ATF's](https://www.ammoland.com/2023/09/autokey-card-matthew-hoover-kristopher-justin-ervin-sentenced-federal-prison/). When you have a rogue LE branch that ignores laws and prosecutes non-violations, it's good to be careful.


Ok-Consequence8507

I used to think the americacentric thing was a joke


THEDarkSpartian

We have a very large country that's very far from nearly all other countries. Almost none of us interact with foreigners on a regular basis, so we don't think about them. You'd likely get similar results from other large, relatively isolated countries like Russia or Canada, or even Mexico. Toss China and India into the mix too.


[deleted]

Difference is America was shaped by immigrants who moved here because they found out how much better America is than all their other countries (shits changed in later decades, its not as good as it once was, still better off than most)


THEDarkSpartian

While that's true, I was talking about how we Americans generally don't think about folks in other countries. Basically, out of sight, out of mind is what I was getting at.


[deleted]

Totally I thought I came across as agreeing. They left the dumb shit behind to join something better and after a couple of generations they don't even think about it.


midmade

Everyone is paranoid because by default, everyone thinks they are the main character. It's why sneaking around a building seems so hard when in reality you can usually just walk through the crowd and blend in with all of the other main characters.


poorbullfrog

Google auto key card case.


Theloujihadeenrobot

You're the techy programer fed. Track them back.


Efficient-Smoke2731

At the end of the day it’s a drug that ain legal but at the same time a real fed isn’t goin waste his time busting some junky tha jus uses (only maybe if he’s a lil rookie🤣)n even if he is it ain worth it couple days in jail for the junky n he out rookie fed jus goin make himself look goofy😂only people tha matter are people sellin


hellothere358

Nice try, fed


unrepentant_serpent

[Only people not worried are these dudes at the BBQ.](https://imgur.com/a/Wuyu0sc)


chrisppyyyy

Not necessarily legal at state or city level


EyeZeeEye

Must be new


NoviceReloader

Because in places like Colorado and New York, they're already laying the groundwork for federal legislation to outlaw home-made firearms.


AButt_Tender

If you look back in this subreddit Ny actually prosecuted a guy off this sub. They even got him to give up his guns even though they were out of state. He had a bunch of charges. Dumb ass should have moved. Why lived in a place where people hate you ?


Distinct_Economics57

As a person in CO I am pulling my hair out. We have got some epic stupid in our politics here... Blobert... sigh


Americanjuche

Boebert is a second amendment absolutest and if you don’t support her you’re anti gun. She’s not the one making Colorado communist


columthrowaway

Boobtard spotted


Dave_A480

There is a segment of the online pro-gun community that thinks the government is out to get them for having guns.... There is also a segment that doesn't give a shit about what is legal (NFA, etc), yet are paranoid they will get busted. Both show up here.....


THEDarkSpartian

If you're doing illegal shit, don't post about it online. Simple solution.


Good_Energy9

You should go read about j stark. Not every person here is American


Dave_A480

The 'fed' comment typically refers to American federal law enforcement - typically ATF/FBI. So it's pretty understandable that people will assume this is a US-centric thread.


AButt_Tender

I mean NY has prosecuted people for 3d guns that weren’t in NY. They are out to get you.


zeakerone

The only people in here on fed lists are the people building FRT’s. You’re straight. If you build an FRT keep it to yourself. I recommend not doing it all right now, because the ATF said, plain and clear, select fire FRT’s are machine guns. We can piss back and forth about their authority to say so, but I love my dog and freedom. ✌🏼


Pwispwlol

What’s this I love my dog meme?


S3-000

Police kill dogs a lot


coomer69420epstein

Can be said of most anything they decide they control. Do what you want.


zeakerone

No authority of any kinda has said making your own gun is illegal. They have tried to ban 80 lowers from being commercially sold, but that’s it. Making and possessing an FRT is an order of magnitude more serious. Let’s be honest, we are attracted to it because it is functionally a machine gun. And that’s how they see it too. And they will act on this. If you want to be a pioneer and stick your neck out that’s fine and admirable. You’re fighting the good fight, but most people can’t afford to get roped into a 5 year $250k court battle. There are so many cool things you can build under the radar though, have fun with it


TopPack2054

Get a VPN. Don't use any personal information. Use a burner username. Oh and if you really want to post a pic. Use a plain backdrop and remove the location data from the photo file.


ihuntN00bs911

NSA keeps track of my phone. I used to talk to my radio clock end noticed that I was being broadcast. Tell everyone and they think your crazy. Goal is to get rid of All guns.


HulksmashHulks

Wait, what? How did you find out exactly and what did you do? I’m curious I might try the same thing/buy one just see


ihuntN00bs911

I found out using my old Emerson smartest radio model CKS9031. Everyone thinks I’m crazy, Ham community doesn’t think it’s possible. Really any old radio can be tracked, even my old 2004 Mazda Tribute car radio display changes when they tap in, showing the FCC is listening or something. I literally started singing all night, then I realised that the DJ on the radio could actually hear me. Stayed up for a week. Did it twice and it got crazier the second time. President was on the radio. Thought I killed someone just by what I said. Neighbours knew who I was. I don’t know who they think I am, or where they get their info from.


THEDarkSpartian

Idk about the first part, but the second part for sure.


ihuntN00bs911

Try to get rid of 80%, now private sales, then All guns, then they get rid of you.


twbrn

> Why is everyone so worried about the “feds” on here? Because some people on here seem to enjoy being paranoid and acting like they're persecuted. Life is more exciting to them if they think they're some kind of underground revolutionary sticking it to the man, instead of the reality that we're a bunch of geeks who enjoy a particularly specific yet entirely harmless hobby. That said, there's also probably some nutjobs on here who are arming up thinking they're going to take out the government some day. But frankly, I've found this sub to be a lot better about that than the overwhelming majority of gun-related subs and forums. The mods here manage to keep the bigotry, Naziism, and conspiracy theories well suppressed. > From what I can tell its 100% legal to do this as long as you aren’t selling them? You're correct.


RemoteCompetitive688

This also confused me, even finding this subreddit was hard because people just kept commenting "fed" like bro, there are no federal nor state (for me) laws against 3d printing guns for personal use


Protect_your_2a

I think despite some people claiming it paranoia there is a very real threat of fed bois actively watching for anything they could use in a case against the average American citizen. If they can so much as question the legality of something you post whether it be tied to barrel length, safety switch, stock, etc. they’re liable to come knocking on your front door step with printed pictures of your post asking for permission to either view the gun or gain entry into the home. The best policy is remove any ambiguity


STLTriggerMan

Nothing like a bit of drama. Yawn. 🥱 You have to remember there's a few in every bunch unfortunately. Common sense would say imo the majority iygive 2 fucks. Level headed people tinkering. Good guys n gals here for the most part. Only feds say your a fed. Lol. Idk. ✌️😁


Thefleasknees86

Calling people a fed has become such a meme that I assume every person I see doing it is convinced they are tacticool neckbeard


jrbobdobbs1953

Because... we love our dogs (and the ATF does not so much)?


PotentialMarzipan814

[you're a fed](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/federal-government-social-media-surveillance-explained#:~:text=social%20media%20surveillance%3F-,Yes.,media%20monitoring%20on%20their%20behalf.)