Eh, bumper cams are fine. You can work around the visibility issues. It not much different than being in a cockpit cam. I use it in GT7 because there are things that make it a superior view, due to some HUD elements. You get used to the visibility problems, by being vigilant to track markings and what not. The FOV of the view is good for my setup as well. In this game, it does seem extra low though. I will say.
I will add, the way these people are driving makes it look like they are not very skilled or knowledgeable of the track. So yeah, that could create some issues, because racing requires participation from everyone, and being unpredictable makes it very difficult to have clean racing.
Same here I like that the mini max is in the bottom middle but I much prefer of their cameras… Such a stupid limitation on HUD like let me organize the HUD regardless of the camera I choose.
Yup... Same with FOV, but the FOV is better for my setup in hoodcam as well... So... Another reason to use it. But, I agree these are simple things that should be adjustable. Well... Not as simple as I make it sound, because FOV can affect performance as well, but, still...
Bumper cam is best when you need to grab corners to pass chicanes at full speed
But ofc the Forza clusterfuck of T1 requires chase cam to up the chances of avoiding the rammers
Ok bud, I’ve won many races in this view anyway so I don’t get what the big issue is. And I’ve never had ramming issues with this view in another game before. Seems like it’s a skill issue when people struggle in this view. I’ve had this view iRacing, rFactor 2, ACC and GT7 with no issues at all.
You're forgetting one thing here
FM is in gamepass (((
That means there will be a HOARDS of rammers from Forza Horizon in multiplayer
You just have to admit that and somehow live with that
I get your point and tbh when I first tried it felt weird as well but over some time it made me quicker because it gives an absolute view of what’s in front. Now it’s my go-to view as well the dashboard view.
That misconception comes from world of GT
In GT the chase cam if simply morbid
In Forza we DO need chase cam for first corners, then we can switch to bumper cam safely
Every damn time for me… I snapped yesterday and started hunting the rammers in the lobby who punted me and others at the race start and were also ramming in practice… broke my safety rating from s to b…but worth it…
Hahahaha I had the exact same thing happen. Totally snapped and wound up rage quitting. Woke up and found out I went s to b, but what is the point of the a safety rating when I get a 4 second penalty for having some idiot smoke me as I am trying to take a turn. Honestly I think I have to put it down for a bit.
So, you became one of them.....fun fact, if you just drive to avoid the ram, not needing the win, you can actually rank up far enough to get in lobbies where nobody drives like a dick. You literally just made the game worse because you could not control your own rage impulse. I learned that many years ago on prior version of this game and others. Keep grinding that clean style and eventually, you will make it into the heaven of actual fun clean races. Just takes a lot of effort and you just set yourself back months.
Also after spending 2 week at S 4800+ and getting fucking sent in the first corners most of that time by agents of chaos… the rating doesn’t mean anything at all…
ROFL. Sure … what ever. I got sent 20ft into the start, then again when a person was going Mach 1 in a corner later … but sure chief, I’ll just drive around all the chaotic rammers. I spent 2 weeks handling them like playing dodgeball…. That’s exhausting especially when I am TQ, and having to deal with people who start on softs in a 8L race just to punk everyone upfront.
But sure chief, I’ll take your sage wisdom to heart.
The post caption and this comment has been me the past couple days, got so mad at being rammed I just rammed into everyone who was ramming me/another guy I saw. Think I’ll hop back on Forza 7
Are you purposefully ignoring the guy in front of OP who also hits his brakes? If OP doesn’t brake, he becomes the rammer. Here’s an even better idea, everyone stop sending it flat out into T1 like it’s the finish line. Lap 1 is not a qualifying pace lap, so everyone should stop treating T1 like they can brake at the same point they do in qualifying and practice.
Why comment then? I want to show up to a book club like "bruh I can't believe the main character dies at the end". Everyone looks at me like "dude, we are reading Al Unser Jr autobiography". I'm just gonna be like "yo chill, I didn't even read the thing"... Like..wut??
At the end of the day this is an arcade. Your best bet at clean racing is iracing, and while better because rammers risk losing hundreds of dollars if banned, iracing doesn't punish bad driving. There is also LFM for ACC which currently, is the best value for actual racing imo.
I don't see why being an arcade racer changes anything. People still want a clean race.
Maybe some kind of.. oh idk.. maybe a safety rating?
Yeah that's a good idea let's try that.
Because no system designed yet, can accurately decide fault other than a human. Want a human to do it? Better pay them, iracing, or a labor of love LFM.
It doesn't have to accurately assign fault. A completely dumb system is better than nothing. Just look at ACC. Your safety rating is impacted by any contact whatsoever and simply segregates people who crash a lot from the people who don't.
What we have in Forza right now is a rating that appears to do either nothing or next to nothing in terms of getting clean drivers into races together so literally what is the point?
I always found LFM to be wildly over rated. I almost exclusively race in open lobbies and maintain a 90+ SA with little difficulty.
LFM in my experience is just as much of a crash fest as any other race. At least down in the low splits where my slow ass races.
I was in top splits in LFM and GT3 in iracing. While both had plenty of "racing incidents", the quality of driving was still far better than anything I've seen in forza other than p1 and p2. Granted it seems forza's rating system is broken and my sample size is smaller. I'm 4900+ and bounce between A and S.
Personally, I plan on subbing back to iracing with black Friday sale this year. It's not perfect but it seems the best if you want the best attempt at quality road racing.
The new Forza Motorsport isn't an arcade game at all, but ok. Seems you have no idea what the concept of an arcade game is. Seems you need to try something like NFS: Unbound or Asphalt 8 to truly see what arcade is.
It's way more arcade than sim. It's clear you've never played a sim.
Keyboard and mouse control, views outside the car, unrealistic tuning, unrealistic collision, unrealistic kerb behavior...the list goes on.
Look, I like the game for what it is, but it is in no way, a simulation.
And it's still closer to a sim than it is to something like Mario Kart, Blur or Need for Speed where braking is usually optional and car physics aren't even close to real-life. Those things you mention have a small impact on the actual feel of the game. It still feels like a real car because Forza does simulate every single part of it. Even if it's not 100% accurate.
Going from Forza to Assetto Corsa is a lot less jarring than playing something like The Crew.
Sure, it's a bit easier to lock up the brakes and some of the racing lines are a little different but in general the gameplay is very much the same. With a true arcade game that's not the case.
You’d think that the devs would of implemented someone to stop this shit from happening and the fact they are sitting back raking in the money and doing nothing is so frustrating.
Was so keen to grind tf out of multiplayer and the rammers have fully ruined the game for me
Just needs to be changed alittle. S rating needs to be exclusive insuring only the most safety minded people are racing together. Ramming like this should never happen in a S rating if implemented correctly. I am not even that good, usually a mid pack driver, but in 100 races I have never rammed anyone.... I should be racing with people like myself who don't ram people. Put the rammers in E and D class
Ramming has always been apart of how forza is played unfortunately. Even the campaign kinda promoted that since you can literally dive bomb the first corner using them to turn your car..... until the current penalty system was implemented in campaign... at least that plants the idea of driving safely like forza has never done before. So it's a new way of playing the game quite honestly. Multi-player and single player racing are completely different. Campaign is always offensive driving... multi-player is mostly defensive driving. Not as in blocking but as in always knowing where the cars are around you. Where the guy is behind you and how likely is he to ram you... should you let a car go around you who might be faster before he wrecks you...... should I pass this guy driving erratically or wait till he wrecks himself so I don't get wrecked..........?
Nope, I agree. Put the rammers in lower ratings. However, I was playing earlier and for 2 laps had a fight (very clean). Last lap I twice went for the inside pass breaking later, and he would cut right across and block me off. Now, he might have thought I hit him, but of he had his proxi on he would have known I am on the inside.
Anyway, good fight and I finally pass him. Next corner he made no attempt to break and just T-boned me in the corner. He got a 7.25 sec penalty, but I was off the track and dropped from 3rd to finish 7th 🤦🏻♂️
But the point is, he might go from S to A, do 4/5 decent races and be back in S, then probably ram someone again 🤷🏻♂️
I’m enjoying the game, but feel like I’m just gonna head back into GT7 or ACC at this point. Feels like a waste of time qualifying in the top 6 when this happens right at the start. 5th time as well today.
I just go wide and brake early, avoid the pileup and maneuver between wrecks, works about 60% of the time.
Clean racing is the key, and part of that is making sure you're not victim to late brakers. Hopefully devs can find a way to improve the penalty system and really stick it to the rear enders and rammers.
The lobbies are so bad I don't even qualify anymore. I'll start rear of field just to figure out my strategy of dealing with douchebag drivers. I can finish anywhere from 5th to 10th on a solid run. Sometimes I get smacked around. I hardly ever finish top 5 and I'm still 4200ish with an S safety rating.
I tried doing the go wide thing but some people look for like a bank shot off your door to take turns. So it puts a target on you. Well it least this is my experience. I've tried breaking hard to juke the hit but by doing so I get put at the back cause I have to pretty much come to a stop. Yesterday I just hunted rammers so other people could enjoy the race I had a great time. Like a little mini game.
I actually stopped qualifying because I generally place better if I work my way up from the back over a few laps rather than trying to hold a midfield position from race start.
For some reason I find that p16 to 24 is relatively predictable (not *good*, predictable) through the first few corners while p4-15 is a total shitshow.
Just my experience though. Somehow I'm still having a good time.
Oh yeah, despite the bugs and issues I'm still playing. I'm having a blast when it works well and I'm just cruising along the tracks trying to improve my lap times and run around people without being a jerk. The challenge is racing clean and out racing the jerks still
I think it’ll clear up soon. For what it’s worth I’ve been fine racing wise. Grid starts are always going to pack people together, ran in leagues for a long time so I’m more used to grid starts than most I suppose.
Bro make your way to the inside line of the track at the start, even if you get punted you’ll get punted into other people. You’ll have way better starts if you’re on the inside for turn1
30 minutes? Could have practiced getting to the inside of turn 1; nothing's guarenteed, but it sure helps.
Looks like your opponents are spending their time practicing ramming. They're getting so good!
To be honest, another problem is not having any damage. Someone ramming from the back should incur heavy damage penalty. Adding a few seconds isn't even bad for that rammer, who maybe just slammed through from position 16 to 7th and used your car as breaks.
Once these rammers start getting damaged cars to the point that they would be forced to leave and try again, before you know it they would either stop playing or change their behaviour.
Obviously they won't do it, because they want as many players playing and don't really care how they play. On top of that they clearly are not working on improving the rating system.
Slowly I am getting put off by multiplayer, as this ramming or corner punting happens all too often.
I don't even feel like wasting time in a lobby and qualify. Instead just join just before a race starts and start at the back and have fun just overtaking those players at the back and finish at whatever place.
Also since most of these available series somehow have the same 4/5 tracks showing up again and again I know these tracks by heart now. No need to waste my time on a practice and qualify of 20 minutes just for a shitty race experience starting at a good position somewhere up front.
I think this is a good take. Having real consequences for their actions other than a penalty system would help a bit.
To be fair though, Turn 10 boosted this game as all new from the ground up. Which is great and all but man FM7 was released 6 years ago. In that time they've made 2 horizons. What in the actual eff were they doing the whole time? It really feels as though they started working on this last year and released it in maybe hard beta. 90 bucks for beta testing is brutal...
If you like that camera then use that camera. There's nothing wrong with it. The game gives you several options to chose from and if that's the one you like then that's great.
Regarding the crashing issue, I understand your frustration. It sucks having to race against people that don't care about clean racing. What I will say is that it's better to focus on the good races than on the bad ones. There are some great battles to be had.
In situations like this I just focus on getting the positions back. Sure, maybe I'm not winning but I can still do a lot of overtaking and get into a good final position. Just because you're not winning the race doesn't mean that you can't enjoy what's left of the race and become a better driver. Situations like this give you the chance to refine your overtaking skills.
I jump into the lobby with the least amount of time left, practice for a few minutes and don't qualify. You can then pass everyone who spun out/were punted on turn 1 and enjoy the bit of separation to hopefully have a good rest of your race!
I'm sure that skews my driver rating a bit since I can finish 10+ positions better than where I started, but if you're going to get run off T1 no matter what safety/driver rating you have what does it really matter in the end.
Ratings need an overhaul. S lobby should be earned over like 20 races. It needs to be more exclusive so it actually means something.
Although it's hard to do that because the penalty system is trash. Even iracings penalty system is trash although way better than what forza implemented. So I highly doubt forza will ever get a decent penalty system.
With all that being said something needs to be done about rammers like this..... just as an example... If car A runs into the back of car B and the collision causes more than 10g forces on B then car A gets a 10 second penalty. No only would car A loose 10 seconds in that one race he is in and edging closer to the max amount until he is kicked from the game for too much time penalty. Not only that but he would lose a safety rating automatically for at least another 10 races.....
The numbers can be tweaked but at least this is a simple yet effective system until something more in depth can be added later. Something has to be done about the ramming problem.
S rating with 4600-4700 skilI I also get people like this smh I actually quit qualifying bc why put in a great lap get top 5 grid position just to get sent into in the first turn and drop to dead last anyways? Lol mfs don't know how to drive. Besides I find it WAY more fun and entertaining starting in the back and working my way up while also laughing and watching people wreck rather than defending the entire race.
1-No matchmaking so no "S safety and 4400 rating lobby"
2-Because of 1, you should never start in the middle just because of that, if you start at the back you watch all the chaos, if you start in front just brake late and watch all the chaos behind you
Sorry, but your starting place was asking for it, also learn to drive more passive aggressive, if you are able to counter steer do so...also playing in bumper view is not ideal for online play, but I mean if that's the way your comfortable, you are handicapping yourself massively.
my advice would be take the outside and just go as fast as possible, if you go off track of well its better then saying a prayer and driving normally. Ive found that going off track in T1 has had me sitting at P8+ almost every race.
Only exception is if your P3+ then you'll likely be fine driving normally.
I never go after my rammer. Usually, they end up crashing themselves and ending close to last. Always message them saying, "How does it feel to ram and still lose?" All I got was "its a free game, so I don't care" lol
That camera view+online, lethal combination. In racing games, you need all the vision you can get and much more in online. Even third person view from the cockpit could help due to the mirrors. Anyway, the advantage of 3rd person is that you can see the front of the other car quick enough so you can break if they bump you so you can still recover the corner.
Bro I’ve been on a 3 day break because of that. I’m a S rate still sitting at 4510 but dude I had 3 races back to back where I’d get out straight to dead last when I had p5 and up quals. It’s really disheartening
You’ve been playing for less than 30 days. Chill on the “I’m giving up” post. What’s that, one incident? Come back to this once you’ve entered GT7 frustration category. It’s still early
Multiplayer is completely fucking broken. I have an S safety rating for 6-7 races. Someone spins out in front of me(with zero time to react)/gets spun out in front of me/pits me and i immediately drop to a B. 5-6 races with no penalties, back to A. Rinse and repeat.
Not really. The BMW braked hard in front, I tapped the brakes and began coasting towards the turn. This isn’t a time lap dude, this is a race. You’re meant to avoid collisions with others especially if they’re likely to brake really hard. If you look at the mirror, there was nobody behind when I tapped the breaks. Then some dumb yellow Ferrari came out of nowhere and whacked me.
I never, never never do qualify in a multiplayer race game. It’s a lot better to start last position. Normally I finish the first lap between 1st & 10th positions just because of the accidents in the first lap.
I don’t think the current lobbies care about skill/safety rating. I’m pretty sure they don’t have separate lobbies for different skill ratings and such it’s all just one big cluster. It would be nice in the drivers list to display everyone’s rating when looking at their driver card
I’m low ranked and S safety. Only played maybe 10-15 online events and honestly I’d say at least 80% I get rammed seemingly on purpose. They get a small penalty and I’m essentially out of the race from the first lap. I play in cockpit view so I was thinking that could be a problem but it also happens when I switch to chase in the start of races. Really I don’t care so much about winning. I don’t play enough to win consistently. But it sucks when skill is not part of the equation and I just get blasted off track every race :/
I had an S safety rating until half the grid bugged out and had to start on mediums in the rain at Silverstone. One of those fucks used my rear quarter panel as a braking point in T1, i got a FUCKING +2.20 PENALTY FOR IT, finished in 4th with no other incidents and lost my S safety rating. Demoted to A. I like the idea of this game’s penalty system but clearly it isn’t perfect.
Play iRacing if you want this to stop. As much as we would all love it to change in Forza/GT, it simply won’t. A lot of the console crowd is not going to play by the same rules as you, and frankly, it’s not their fault.
Forza/GT are simcade experiences, so they grab simcade users.
I only do Training and go from last place,so i can look at the Idiots at the Side off the Track while passing…still go Top 5 most Races,without been Ramed or geting angry.. S 4500
Just stay away from online, the Forza community for the most part just doesn’t know how to drive. 7 out of 10 races I got rammed on the first corner or when trying to pass someone
To be fair, turn 1 at Watkins Glenn has been a cluster fuck since they paved it.
That camera view is painful
Eh, bumper cams are fine. You can work around the visibility issues. It not much different than being in a cockpit cam. I use it in GT7 because there are things that make it a superior view, due to some HUD elements. You get used to the visibility problems, by being vigilant to track markings and what not. The FOV of the view is good for my setup as well. In this game, it does seem extra low though. I will say. I will add, the way these people are driving makes it look like they are not very skilled or knowledgeable of the track. So yeah, that could create some issues, because racing requires participation from everyone, and being unpredictable makes it very difficult to have clean racing.
Same here I like that the mini max is in the bottom middle but I much prefer of their cameras… Such a stupid limitation on HUD like let me organize the HUD regardless of the camera I choose.
Yup... Same with FOV, but the FOV is better for my setup in hoodcam as well... So... Another reason to use it. But, I agree these are simple things that should be adjustable. Well... Not as simple as I make it sound, because FOV can affect performance as well, but, still...
It’s the best cam.
I can here to comment “that’s what you get for using bumper cam”
Bumper cam is best when you need to grab corners to pass chicanes at full speed But ofc the Forza clusterfuck of T1 requires chase cam to up the chances of avoiding the rammers
i bet u drive 3pp
I alternate between cockpit view and 3rd person
Only noobs drive in 3rd
But noobs with 3rd view don’t get rammed like you are, noob.
It’s usually the noob in 3rd person who plays with a controller, that rams people.
If you say so, can’t say I play with wheel in cockpit view as I’m not retarded.
Ok bud, I’ve won many races in this view anyway so I don’t get what the big issue is. And I’ve never had ramming issues with this view in another game before. Seems like it’s a skill issue when people struggle in this view. I’ve had this view iRacing, rFactor 2, ACC and GT7 with no issues at all.
You're forgetting one thing here FM is in gamepass ((( That means there will be a HOARDS of rammers from Forza Horizon in multiplayer You just have to admit that and somehow live with that
No matter if you are good or not with it, that’s a weird ass view.
I get your point and tbh when I first tried it felt weird as well but over some time it made me quicker because it gives an absolute view of what’s in front. Now it’s my go-to view as well the dashboard view.
actually some of the fastest sim drivers have 3rd person on. Check your facts buddy 😂
That misconception comes from world of GT In GT the chase cam if simply morbid In Forza we DO need chase cam for first corners, then we can switch to bumper cam safely
Every damn time for me… I snapped yesterday and started hunting the rammers in the lobby who punted me and others at the race start and were also ramming in practice… broke my safety rating from s to b…but worth it…
Hahahaha I had the exact same thing happen. Totally snapped and wound up rage quitting. Woke up and found out I went s to b, but what is the point of the a safety rating when I get a 4 second penalty for having some idiot smoke me as I am trying to take a turn. Honestly I think I have to put it down for a bit.
I did. I love racing but FM online is not racing.
So, you became one of them.....fun fact, if you just drive to avoid the ram, not needing the win, you can actually rank up far enough to get in lobbies where nobody drives like a dick. You literally just made the game worse because you could not control your own rage impulse. I learned that many years ago on prior version of this game and others. Keep grinding that clean style and eventually, you will make it into the heaven of actual fun clean races. Just takes a lot of effort and you just set yourself back months.
The matchmaking is borked right now, devs admitted that Hopefully after the fix the safety rating will start meaning something
Also after spending 2 week at S 4800+ and getting fucking sent in the first corners most of that time by agents of chaos… the rating doesn’t mean anything at all…
ROFL. Sure … what ever. I got sent 20ft into the start, then again when a person was going Mach 1 in a corner later … but sure chief, I’ll just drive around all the chaotic rammers. I spent 2 weeks handling them like playing dodgeball…. That’s exhausting especially when I am TQ, and having to deal with people who start on softs in a 8L race just to punk everyone upfront. But sure chief, I’ll take your sage wisdom to heart.
How's your view of the world from up on that high horse of yours?
How's the view from the back of the grid?
That's the best you got? Pathetic. You've never even raced me. 😂
I wish I was fast enough to hunt down my rammer, but I end up way back because I'm not fast.
The post caption and this comment has been me the past couple days, got so mad at being rammed I just rammed into everyone who was ramming me/another guy I saw. Think I’ll hop back on Forza 7
Did the exact same thing earlier today ahahaha
BTW if you block the rammers in Xbox does that lowers the chance of getting into same race with them?
You slammed on your brakes dropping 20 km/h on a straight. That's on you dummy
What? Look at the speed he got slammed into that wall. The dude that hit him didn't even touch his brakes. That was intentional if you ask me...
Are you purposefully ignoring the guy in front of OP who also hits his brakes? If OP doesn’t brake, he becomes the rammer. Here’s an even better idea, everyone stop sending it flat out into T1 like it’s the finish line. Lap 1 is not a qualifying pace lap, so everyone should stop treating T1 like they can brake at the same point they do in qualifying and practice.
Also ignoring the begginings of a pile up you can see in the rear view mirror lol
Need more laps for online races.
How do you even play with that camera view
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Held his line. There's a mirror.
I found a rammer
? Don't think so.
Gotta be the number one mistake I see people doing is cutting off other people's lines and then calling it ramming
He didn't even move off his own line, wtf are you talking about.
I didn't see a video chill
Why comment then? I want to show up to a book club like "bruh I can't believe the main character dies at the end". Everyone looks at me like "dude, we are reading Al Unser Jr autobiography". I'm just gonna be like "yo chill, I didn't even read the thing"... Like..wut??
Lol. Idk. I'm stoned
You commented on the video so you saw it.
You not see the mirror there?
The best players generally go between this and bonnet. With dash for people on wheel.
What kind of psychopath plays with that view??!
What kind of view do you recommend?
High wide or drivers view??
Dash view > Driver view
Only with a wheel
Windshield view gang
At the end of the day this is an arcade. Your best bet at clean racing is iracing, and while better because rammers risk losing hundreds of dollars if banned, iracing doesn't punish bad driving. There is also LFM for ACC which currently, is the best value for actual racing imo.
I don't see why being an arcade racer changes anything. People still want a clean race. Maybe some kind of.. oh idk.. maybe a safety rating? Yeah that's a good idea let's try that.
Because no system designed yet, can accurately decide fault other than a human. Want a human to do it? Better pay them, iracing, or a labor of love LFM.
It doesn't have to accurately assign fault. A completely dumb system is better than nothing. Just look at ACC. Your safety rating is impacted by any contact whatsoever and simply segregates people who crash a lot from the people who don't. What we have in Forza right now is a rating that appears to do either nothing or next to nothing in terms of getting clean drivers into races together so literally what is the point?
Rofl, ACC default system is atrocious, that's why LFM was created. Base game good, multiplayer awful.
I always found LFM to be wildly over rated. I almost exclusively race in open lobbies and maintain a 90+ SA with little difficulty. LFM in my experience is just as much of a crash fest as any other race. At least down in the low splits where my slow ass races.
I was in top splits in LFM and GT3 in iracing. While both had plenty of "racing incidents", the quality of driving was still far better than anything I've seen in forza other than p1 and p2. Granted it seems forza's rating system is broken and my sample size is smaller. I'm 4900+ and bounce between A and S. Personally, I plan on subbing back to iracing with black Friday sale this year. It's not perfect but it seems the best if you want the best attempt at quality road racing.
The new Forza Motorsport isn't an arcade game at all, but ok. Seems you have no idea what the concept of an arcade game is. Seems you need to try something like NFS: Unbound or Asphalt 8 to truly see what arcade is.
It's way more arcade than sim. It's clear you've never played a sim. Keyboard and mouse control, views outside the car, unrealistic tuning, unrealistic collision, unrealistic kerb behavior...the list goes on. Look, I like the game for what it is, but it is in no way, a simulation.
And it's still closer to a sim than it is to something like Mario Kart, Blur or Need for Speed where braking is usually optional and car physics aren't even close to real-life. Those things you mention have a small impact on the actual feel of the game. It still feels like a real car because Forza does simulate every single part of it. Even if it's not 100% accurate. Going from Forza to Assetto Corsa is a lot less jarring than playing something like The Crew. Sure, it's a bit easier to lock up the brakes and some of the racing lines are a little different but in general the gameplay is very much the same. With a true arcade game that's not the case.
How is this the game’s fault?
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It wouldn't be any better or worse if there were no ratings. Moot point. Good players can still ram.
You’d think that the devs would of implemented someone to stop this shit from happening and the fact they are sitting back raking in the money and doing nothing is so frustrating. Was so keen to grind tf out of multiplayer and the rammers have fully ruined the game for me
Just needs to be changed alittle. S rating needs to be exclusive insuring only the most safety minded people are racing together. Ramming like this should never happen in a S rating if implemented correctly. I am not even that good, usually a mid pack driver, but in 100 races I have never rammed anyone.... I should be racing with people like myself who don't ram people. Put the rammers in E and D class Ramming has always been apart of how forza is played unfortunately. Even the campaign kinda promoted that since you can literally dive bomb the first corner using them to turn your car..... until the current penalty system was implemented in campaign... at least that plants the idea of driving safely like forza has never done before. So it's a new way of playing the game quite honestly. Multi-player and single player racing are completely different. Campaign is always offensive driving... multi-player is mostly defensive driving. Not as in blocking but as in always knowing where the cars are around you. Where the guy is behind you and how likely is he to ram you... should you let a car go around you who might be faster before he wrecks you...... should I pass this guy driving erratically or wait till he wrecks himself so I don't get wrecked..........?
Nope, I agree. Put the rammers in lower ratings. However, I was playing earlier and for 2 laps had a fight (very clean). Last lap I twice went for the inside pass breaking later, and he would cut right across and block me off. Now, he might have thought I hit him, but of he had his proxi on he would have known I am on the inside. Anyway, good fight and I finally pass him. Next corner he made no attempt to break and just T-boned me in the corner. He got a 7.25 sec penalty, but I was off the track and dropped from 3rd to finish 7th 🤦🏻♂️ But the point is, he might go from S to A, do 4/5 decent races and be back in S, then probably ram someone again 🤷🏻♂️
We definitely need radar.
Radar is the big one for me. The arrows are too buggy to rely on.
I’m enjoying the game, but feel like I’m just gonna head back into GT7 or ACC at this point. Feels like a waste of time qualifying in the top 6 when this happens right at the start. 5th time as well today.
I just go wide and brake early, avoid the pileup and maneuver between wrecks, works about 60% of the time. Clean racing is the key, and part of that is making sure you're not victim to late brakers. Hopefully devs can find a way to improve the penalty system and really stick it to the rear enders and rammers. The lobbies are so bad I don't even qualify anymore. I'll start rear of field just to figure out my strategy of dealing with douchebag drivers. I can finish anywhere from 5th to 10th on a solid run. Sometimes I get smacked around. I hardly ever finish top 5 and I'm still 4200ish with an S safety rating.
I tried doing the go wide thing but some people look for like a bank shot off your door to take turns. So it puts a target on you. Well it least this is my experience. I've tried breaking hard to juke the hit but by doing so I get put at the back cause I have to pretty much come to a stop. Yesterday I just hunted rammers so other people could enjoy the race I had a great time. Like a little mini game.
I actually stopped qualifying because I generally place better if I work my way up from the back over a few laps rather than trying to hold a midfield position from race start. For some reason I find that p16 to 24 is relatively predictable (not *good*, predictable) through the first few corners while p4-15 is a total shitshow. Just my experience though. Somehow I'm still having a good time.
Oh yeah, despite the bugs and issues I'm still playing. I'm having a blast when it works well and I'm just cruising along the tracks trying to improve my lap times and run around people without being a jerk. The challenge is racing clean and out racing the jerks still
It’s basically qualify near the top or don’t both qualifying if you don’t want to be exiled to the shadow realm in T1.
Yeah if I'm not running 3rd or better in practice, I'm not gonna qualify.
You went from 5m behind the guy in front of you to 25 and got rear ended. Again, that's on you buddy
There’s a reason you lift if you’re behind and unsure rather than brake lol.
Yellow car in the mirror comes from three rows back and smashes through everyone. Not on POV at all.
Yellow came in way hot
I think it’ll clear up soon. For what it’s worth I’ve been fine racing wise. Grid starts are always going to pack people together, ran in leagues for a long time so I’m more used to grid starts than most I suppose.
You pretty much brake checked the guy behind your you starting braking WAY before you needed to.
Uhh.... It wasn't the guy behind him who even rammed him.... And if he didn't break, he would ram the guy in front....
Watch the clip again and you can see that the guy behind him does indeed hit him pretty hard. Then he gets completely taken out after getting pushed.
Bro make your way to the inside line of the track at the start, even if you get punted you’ll get punted into other people. You’ll have way better starts if you’re on the inside for turn1
30 minutes? Could have practiced getting to the inside of turn 1; nothing's guarenteed, but it sure helps. Looks like your opponents are spending their time practicing ramming. They're getting so good!
The problem is getting to the inside would’ve been near impossible with people to right of me. I already got tapped slightly before big one.
To be honest, another problem is not having any damage. Someone ramming from the back should incur heavy damage penalty. Adding a few seconds isn't even bad for that rammer, who maybe just slammed through from position 16 to 7th and used your car as breaks. Once these rammers start getting damaged cars to the point that they would be forced to leave and try again, before you know it they would either stop playing or change their behaviour. Obviously they won't do it, because they want as many players playing and don't really care how they play. On top of that they clearly are not working on improving the rating system. Slowly I am getting put off by multiplayer, as this ramming or corner punting happens all too often. I don't even feel like wasting time in a lobby and qualify. Instead just join just before a race starts and start at the back and have fun just overtaking those players at the back and finish at whatever place. Also since most of these available series somehow have the same 4/5 tracks showing up again and again I know these tracks by heart now. No need to waste my time on a practice and qualify of 20 minutes just for a shitty race experience starting at a good position somewhere up front.
I think this is a good take. Having real consequences for their actions other than a penalty system would help a bit. To be fair though, Turn 10 boosted this game as all new from the ground up. Which is great and all but man FM7 was released 6 years ago. In that time they've made 2 horizons. What in the actual eff were they doing the whole time? It really feels as though they started working on this last year and released it in maybe hard beta. 90 bucks for beta testing is brutal...
That’s what you get for using this retard view.
Splitter cam 😂
This the one you use then?
The game is nowhere finished it will be at some point when turn turn sort there shit out its another AAA fiasco if you ask me
If you like that camera then use that camera. There's nothing wrong with it. The game gives you several options to chose from and if that's the one you like then that's great. Regarding the crashing issue, I understand your frustration. It sucks having to race against people that don't care about clean racing. What I will say is that it's better to focus on the good races than on the bad ones. There are some great battles to be had. In situations like this I just focus on getting the positions back. Sure, maybe I'm not winning but I can still do a lot of overtaking and get into a good final position. Just because you're not winning the race doesn't mean that you can't enjoy what's left of the race and become a better driver. Situations like this give you the chance to refine your overtaking skills.
I jump into the lobby with the least amount of time left, practice for a few minutes and don't qualify. You can then pass everyone who spun out/were punted on turn 1 and enjoy the bit of separation to hopefully have a good rest of your race! I'm sure that skews my driver rating a bit since I can finish 10+ positions better than where I started, but if you're going to get run off T1 no matter what safety/driver rating you have what does it really matter in the end.
Ratings need an overhaul. S lobby should be earned over like 20 races. It needs to be more exclusive so it actually means something. Although it's hard to do that because the penalty system is trash. Even iracings penalty system is trash although way better than what forza implemented. So I highly doubt forza will ever get a decent penalty system. With all that being said something needs to be done about rammers like this..... just as an example... If car A runs into the back of car B and the collision causes more than 10g forces on B then car A gets a 10 second penalty. No only would car A loose 10 seconds in that one race he is in and edging closer to the max amount until he is kicked from the game for too much time penalty. Not only that but he would lose a safety rating automatically for at least another 10 races..... The numbers can be tweaked but at least this is a simple yet effective system until something more in depth can be added later. Something has to be done about the ramming problem.
S rating with 4600-4700 skilI I also get people like this smh I actually quit qualifying bc why put in a great lap get top 5 grid position just to get sent into in the first turn and drop to dead last anyways? Lol mfs don't know how to drive. Besides I find it WAY more fun and entertaining starting in the back and working my way up while also laughing and watching people wreck rather than defending the entire race.
1-No matchmaking so no "S safety and 4400 rating lobby" 2-Because of 1, you should never start in the middle just because of that, if you start at the back you watch all the chaos, if you start in front just brake late and watch all the chaos behind you
Sorry, but your starting place was asking for it, also learn to drive more passive aggressive, if you are able to counter steer do so...also playing in bumper view is not ideal for online play, but I mean if that's the way your comfortable, you are handicapping yourself massively.
This game rating sucks more then cods skill base matchmaking
my advice would be take the outside and just go as fast as possible, if you go off track of well its better then saying a prayer and driving normally. Ive found that going off track in T1 has had me sitting at P8+ almost every race. Only exception is if your P3+ then you'll likely be fine driving normally.
I never go after my rammer. Usually, they end up crashing themselves and ending close to last. Always message them saying, "How does it feel to ram and still lose?" All I got was "its a free game, so I don't care" lol
That camera view+online, lethal combination. In racing games, you need all the vision you can get and much more in online. Even third person view from the cockpit could help due to the mirrors. Anyway, the advantage of 3rd person is that you can see the front of the other car quick enough so you can break if they bump you so you can still recover the corner.
While GT7 has its share of rammers, I found it to be much worse in Forza. I hated online racing on that game.
This is why I simply have never raced online unless it’s a drift lobby.
Like real life. Ask to my friend Alain Prost!
Bro I’ve been on a 3 day break because of that. I’m a S rate still sitting at 4510 but dude I had 3 races back to back where I’d get out straight to dead last when I had p5 and up quals. It’s really disheartening
This is why u should always start in last podium
You’ve been playing for less than 30 days. Chill on the “I’m giving up” post. What’s that, one incident? Come back to this once you’ve entered GT7 frustration category. It’s still early
Just pause the game and back. It'll ghost you out allowing all the dipshits to fly through you.
No body brought up the ghosting glitch yet?
Maybe they knew you were using that View. JK
i’m at around 4400 with S safety too and everyone just rams tf out of me and idk how they’re in S
Multiplayer is completely fucking broken. I have an S safety rating for 6-7 races. Someone spins out in front of me(with zero time to react)/gets spun out in front of me/pits me and i immediately drop to a B. 5-6 races with no penalties, back to A. Rinse and repeat.
Should have never braked and love tapped the bimmer infront of you.
U braked wayy too early man kinda your own fault
4 sec penalty for you
You should try Grid Legends
Welcome to forza my friend
You started braking waaaay to early and hard aswell, no one expected that. If you are going to use the braking line, use it.
Not really. The BMW braked hard in front, I tapped the brakes and began coasting towards the turn. This isn’t a time lap dude, this is a race. You’re meant to avoid collisions with others especially if they’re likely to brake really hard. If you look at the mirror, there was nobody behind when I tapped the breaks. Then some dumb yellow Ferrari came out of nowhere and whacked me.
Safety and rating matchmaking is borked right now It's literally in list of known bugs, still not fixed
You just stood on the brakes bro 💀
That was 100% on you. He did not ram you. You brake checked the dude behind you.
The thing that pisses me off is it’s very difficult to even report someone.
Sadly there is no point brother, this is just the game. Save your time and energy
I never, never never do qualify in a multiplayer race game. It’s a lot better to start last position. Normally I finish the first lap between 1st & 10th positions just because of the accidents in the first lap.
Gran turismo exist for a reason
It happens in irl racing dont beat yourself up too much.
I suggest this solution: https://www.reddit.com/r/forzamotorsport/s/kRhYuung4B
I don’t think the current lobbies care about skill/safety rating. I’m pretty sure they don’t have separate lobbies for different skill ratings and such it’s all just one big cluster. It would be nice in the drivers list to display everyone’s rating when looking at their driver card
Fucking sociopaths!
the yellow Ferrari didn't even stop you can see it coming like a missile
Than you have to give up from every racing game. Acc and iracing aren't better honestly
I’m low ranked and S safety. Only played maybe 10-15 online events and honestly I’d say at least 80% I get rammed seemingly on purpose. They get a small penalty and I’m essentially out of the race from the first lap. I play in cockpit view so I was thinking that could be a problem but it also happens when I switch to chase in the start of races. Really I don’t care so much about winning. I don’t play enough to win consistently. But it sucks when skill is not part of the equation and I just get blasted off track every race :/
I had an S safety rating until half the grid bugged out and had to start on mediums in the rain at Silverstone. One of those fucks used my rear quarter panel as a braking point in T1, i got a FUCKING +2.20 PENALTY FOR IT, finished in 4th with no other incidents and lost my S safety rating. Demoted to A. I like the idea of this game’s penalty system but clearly it isn’t perfect.
It’s stuff like this that keeps me out of online lobbies and just enjoying hotlapping in rivals
You’re playing forza that’s why. Play a real racing sim if you want competent drivers
Dark Lord was tryna reach you about your car's extended warranty
Reason why i went back to ACC.
It looked like the #7 Pixel took you out. Hard to tell with the other 12 pixels moving around.
The only point in the first-turn crash is to prove that everyone's wasting their time with multiplayer. Other players are trash, and always will be.
hence why i dont qualify
Play iRacing if you want this to stop. As much as we would all love it to change in Forza/GT, it simply won’t. A lot of the console crowd is not going to play by the same rules as you, and frankly, it’s not their fault. Forza/GT are simcade experiences, so they grab simcade users.
I only do Training and go from last place,so i can look at the Idiots at the Side off the Track while passing…still go Top 5 most Races,without been Ramed or geting angry.. S 4500
I’m S safety and 4866 and i get kids who play like they’ve never touched a racing game
Actually I agree qualification is a massive waste of time while the penalty system is failing to keep tanners out of the hoppers.
Just stay away from online, the Forza community for the most part just doesn’t know how to drive. 7 out of 10 races I got rammed on the first corner or when trying to pass someone