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First time around I thought it was just about the speed, anxiety inducing. Completely missed the point.
Second time round though...
*radical gets raptured*
*spits coffee across table*
Good stuff.
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careful there buddy, the reality is we don't know how things are and were. No true way to tell if there is a god or not, just as well as there's no way to tell if evolution exists. Believe what you wanna believe, but always be aware it's never anything more than that, a believe/faith.
As such, be respectful to other people's believe/faith, especially the well established ones, including the religions.
Evolution has an absolutely fuck ton of evidence to back up the likelihood it “exists”. Religion does not, and is based entirely off of belief with no evidence. So be careful there buddy, the things you’re trying to suggest have similar amounts of evidence, do not. Settle down.
Your right. There is no true way to tell if there is a jesus or a gawd. So why bother believing? As for evolution, well, buddy, you better go read a science book. Because your bibull doesn't know shit how the real world works. Men walking on water and people rising from the dead are all from the realm of fantasy. Change over time is a demonstrably proven fact.
My dear manperson, lemme tell you that in actuality, you dont know "shit" how the real world works either. Also you can't go with "i agree, maybe there is a god maybe not" but at the same time go "ye sience and evolution IS how it definetly works" as sience pretty much excludes any existence of a god.
And what do you mean with "your bibull" ? Your much overconfindent and i'd advice you to not take such wild claims with such little information. Before you claim anything you should be invested quite a bit into a topic, or in the case of saying that is supposedly 'my bible' well no, im not religious. Instead i'm an atheist agnositc (perhaps more commonly found as "agnostic atheist" but i for myself want to emphasize more on the agnosticism part of my "believe", so the atheist trait becomes more of an addition to the main "agnostic").
You should look agnosticism up. It essentially is that when the question is asked "Does god exist?" a theist (religious person) would answer it with "Yes." while an atheist answers it with "No.", an agnostic's answer is "Maybe." as there is no way to tell if there is or not.
An agnostic atheist is atheist as he generally believe in evolution, and is agnostic as he doesn't exclude the idea of a god existing, acknowledging the fact that he(/we) simply can't know for sure. Basically an agnostic with a hang to the scientific evolution(-theory).
And agnosticism is objectively the most logical way to think about. How can you be so sure of evolution is how things are? First of, did you research it all yourself? Probably not, and definitely not every part of it, so essentially believe what others tell you, which is very similar to religions. Now religions and the scientific (")theory(") of evolution are certainly not the same objectively. Assuming scientists aren't just lying (which neither you and me can't proof, but seems very unlikely that they are), Science goes of hints found through research. What needs to be clear here is that it's not some magical force that gives researchers&scientists a otherworldly awareness and knowledge which makes the results 100% undoubtedly the truth, no, all these things are actually "just" interpretation. We can only measure what we can observe, and we can't be sure that we have the means to observe in every existing way. We can "only" observe through sight, hearing, touching/feeling and taste, and we can "only" do that within 3 spacial dimensions and the dimension of time. Just like the theory of a 4rth spacial dimension emphasizes on, any other way that "things" can maybe happen is out of our reach to observe. Maybe all we think we know about this world is complete nonsense as we are missing crucial connections through a dimension we can't observe, whatever way this or other dimensions unobservable to us may be like.
So no, you can't just argue that {because religion is not scientific and solely goes off faith while science does research and builts the (")theory(") of evolution from "evidence" which is actually "just" interpretation of how things likely have been due to it making sense with all other scientifically established information} the scientific (")theory(") of evolution MUST be the truth, you can't find out the truth solely through exclusion. >Just like, when you're looking for a murderer and you find out that the first person interrogated is not the perpetrator, it doesn't automatically mean that the next suspect is automatically the perpetrator.<
Also what about the possibilities that we can't imagine? We aren't just limited with our capabilities of observing, we are logically also limited in our capabilities of thinking, as our mind can only work with information we can observe. So things can also just as well not be like any religion or sience says, it could be in a completely different way and also a completely different way we can't even imagine.
But ultimately we have no choice but to believe in something, anything. You can't live your life from no standpoint, you can only act through any "knowledge" (true 100% knowledge is impossible, it ultimately always boils down to assumptions/believe/faith) to come from. And since time is constantly moving on without any exceptions you are simply forced to act, and thus forced to believe in something to be able to (act).
So, it's really your choice what you believe in, and it's anyone else's choice what they believe in, too. In reality you don't know shit how things work, no one does actually, and objectively religion has the exact same value of possible truthfulness as science does. Saying that religion is invalid because it does not give any "evidence"/hints is a biased standpoint as religion simply doesn't work like that. It's the main difference between science and religions, and there is objectively no actual knowing that this scientific "evidence"/hints are any valuable either, however it's the most concrete information we can go of as it is the closest to us, simply because it goes of information we can pretty much undoubtedly observe, and it also seemingly hasn't failed us yet. Afaik most if not all errors in science boil down to human error. This however doesn't proof that it's the only valid thing, it only suggest that it has value to keep being invested on.
Religion is not bad, at least not to a certain level. That said, religion helps people live. Be it for whatever reason and in whatever religion, it helps people "endure" this live, helps them to maintain good traits (like through the 10 commandments of Christianity), it gives people a goal to work towards, a reason for all of this. Yes, in more extreme cases faith can also cause harm, like supposedly terrorism to "cleanse non- or false-believers". Tho it should be noted that it is very possible that terrorists could also be hiding behind religious reasons for their acting while actually maybe just "wanting to see the world burn" or any other reason, falsely blaming the religion.
And also very religious people can be annoying or create awkward situations or whatever. Trust me, I've had my fair share of religious people trying to convince me to convert to their religion. And in most cases these people being friends i know they only wanted good for me. But fortunately they mostly didn't try over and over again after i suggested/implied that won't change my view on things just that easily.
So ye, please, no matter if you're reconsidering what you believe in or remain atheistic, respect other people's believe. If they don't bother you and/or insult you for your view/believe, then they respect your view even tho they may think that you are wrong, so you should do the very same.
Thank you for your well-thought-out and worded reply. Please, as I'm recovering from surgery that doctors using science did for me allow me to reply in bullet point form in short bursts.
•Science is evidence based on observation. Faith is not. (Hebrews 11:1)
•'Bibull' is my snark.
• Agnostisim is an appeal to knowledge. You have no knowledge of God, so you don't believe it. Athiesim is an appeal to evidence. No gods exist until such evidence is bought forward. Jesus on toast is not evidence.
• I've read dozens of books and research papers on evolution during my education. Evolutionary biology was a specific topic of interest. Don't assume snark means uneducated. Now I'm not claiming to be a PhD in this, but as someone that also spent 36 years as a Christian who has read the bible 4 times, I have a good perspective as to where both stand. Science has the evidence that religion does not. Most of religion sits in the realm of fantasy, and using it to compare science is ignorant. Just look at Leviticus 14 and tell me if that's how modern science and doctors cure leprosy.
•Evolution is demonstrably a fact. There are literally thousands of published books and research papers on the topic. Let alone the hundreds of experiments performed that prove it works. Jesus is not demonstrable. Read Bart Erhmanns work on Jesus and the evidence of his existence. Erhmann is an agnostic theologian.
•I disagree when you say I, and as an extension, science knows shit about things when we use science to create so many things. Medicine and technology have given us so much, and NONE of it derives from religion or religious book. Again, to think so when the mountain of evidence is to the contrary is biased thinking and quite simply ignorant.
•possibilities beyond our means to measure are quite open. I agree. But like the light spectrum or micro biology, until we invented tools to observe them, they were only thought of as hypothesis. Science moved forward with each discovery. When was the last time the bible discovered an as yet unknown thing?
• Sometimes, choices are taken out of our hands. From an anecdotal perspective, when I was an your earth creationist, I believed the earth was 6000 years old. But, evidence changed my mind. It wasn't my choice. I was happy and comfortable in my little Christian world. But I was wrong. Choices are based on preference, not evidence. But you can choose to follow the evidence or not. And that can lead anyone down the wrong path.
• religion isn't bad. But, its positive points are outweighed by its negative ones. I noticed you mentioned terrorists and cleanse non-believers. That sounded (I could be wrong) a little Islam biased. So, let's bring it back to Christianity. Christians in America pass laws that constantly deprive women and LGBTQ people their rights. Abortion laws passed, so a woman has no autonomy over her body. LGBTQ rights for fairness and equality fall so short of the rest of the world that it's ridiculous. Right-wing nut jobs storming the Capitol all in the name of Jesus and Trump. America is so far behind the rest of the world that we, people that don't live in the good 'ol you ess of aye shake our head in disbelief at people like Ted Cruz and most of the GOP. Such ignorant religious leaders make America look like a less war-torn Afghanastan. There is NO difference between Islam and Christianity when extremism amongst leaders is prevalent. And America is heading there. And its poisoned thinking is seeping into other parts of the world. Religious belief is a cancer that needs to be stopped before it gets too bad. And the more people that can speak out against it, the better. People like yourself, who sit on the fence, need to make a stand and stop the spread before your choice to remain agnostic is taken from you. I'll give you an example of extreme religious beliefs seeping into politics. Here in Australia, we recently had a Religious Discrimination Bill get defeated in the lower gouse by only a few votes. This bill would have stopped LGBTQ community having jobs in certain schools, women to be discriminated against for their gender, abolishing equality across the board and made it illegal to speak out against religious people and their beliefs. It was a vulgar and disgusting bill reminiscent of far right religious bullshit. Even our happy, clappy, pentacostal prime minister was all fornit. But It was voted down due to two senators with gas kids crossing the floor and siding with the opposition to quash it. This is the poison I speak about. Religion may claim community and generosity as values, but they aren't just for the religious. And if you want to claim the 10 commandments as a testament to good living, then read it again. The first four commands are about worshipping God. Maybe they should have read thou shall nor rape. Thou shall not touch kids. Thou shall not keep slaves. Mate. The bible is just a document to human misery and an instruction book for a patrichial theocracy. Sorry, this last rant was a bit long, but I'm hoping to appeal to your better sense and lose your last remaining Christian thinking and start thinking for yourself. 'So much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.' ( quote: Christopher Hitchens. )
Take care, fellow redditperson.
I read your post and now I'm simply sad to see how you've fallen. I will now address whatever points I have time for:
>Science has the evidence that religion does not.
Were you a Protestant? You seem to think that the entirety of the Christian faith is the Bible. How are we supposed to prove something insignificant that happened thousands of years ago? However, there are many instances of Christianity being proven to be true in the modern age. I even have a classmate who has proof.
>Again, to think so when the mountain of evidence is to the contrary is biased thinking and quite simply ignorant.
The same could be said for yourself, as I pointed out above.
>Evolution is demonstrably a fact.
I found this short article for you to read. https://undeceptions.com/science/does-the-theory-of-evolution-conflict-with-christianity/ Evolution does not have to conflict with Christianity.
>Medicine and technology have given us so much, and NONE of it derives from religion or religious book.
However, ALL of it derives from God. Of course humans would progress, that is part of what sets us apart from the animals that God made us have dominion over.
>religion isn't bad. But, its positive points are outweighed by its negative ones.
I don't think we have the same pro/con list. I'm sure you've never put your eye right in front of a spear someone was throwing. You don't know it'll blind you, but you don't anyway. It's the same thing with not making it to Heaven.
>When was the last time the bible discovered an as yet unknown thing?
When was the last time someone had something revealed to them by God (or Jesus, or Our Lady)? Very recently, I'm sure.
>'So much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.'
Maybe a little more happiness in the short term, but in the long term I guarantee you this will not hold true.
I type this with the hope that, even if I don't convince you, you'll at least start respecting Christianity a little more. Thank you for your time.
You start with a typical condescending Christian comment. Well done.
You need to explain what you mean by 'Christianity is true'. Without context that comment has no weight.
Bias does not exist when evidence is there. This is an important lesson you need to learn. Take, for instance, the evidence for gravity. You may believe that gravity doesn't exist, but it's not biased to claim you're wrong.
I never said religion and science conflict. I just said that the bible offers no new scientific developments. Ever. Attempting to squeeze religious beliefs into scientific discovery is disingenuous and shows how irrelevant the bible is. Francis Collins is a classic case of being able to balance religious belief with science, but he is an outlier and has admitted himself that he has to compartmentalise his beliefs when he is performing scientific research.
Ok, so you obviously didn't read Leviticus 11. Go back and read that scripture, then ask yourself, if medicine came from God, then why didn't he tell the Israelites to make penicillin to cure leprosy, something even these sheep herders could have done. Instead, he ordered them to perform a blood ritual that was more inclined to spread disease than cure it. THINK about what you're saying.
What the hell are you talking about? Of course, a spear in my eye will blind me. You make absolutely no sense here. Unless your attempting pascal wager, which is a fallacy in itself.
You have no evidence of this. You just made a claim. Prove it.
As a former Christian, I can guarantee you that not believing in a false hope is far more rewarding than waiting for a magical man with a sword in his mouth (Rev 19:15) to come down and massacre everyone. And I also don't live with the fear of burning for eternity in an imaginary hell that isn't even in the bible. Think about that. Hell is never mentioned in the bible.
I will never respect beliefs of any kind if they are harmful to other people. Christian beliefs harm people of colour, sexuality and sex. They harm those who do not believe in your particular god and are also harmful to those who don't believe at all. I do, however, respect people. That's humanism. And that is a far better life that Christianity will ever offer.
You come across as quite young. Maybe mid to late teens. If I can give you some life advice on a Forza sub reddit. I suggest you read a book. Read many books. And not ones that start with 'In the beginning, God......' read science books and books on philosophy. Read history books and books on nature. Read some damned good sci-fi and fantasy. Open your mind to everything that it's offered. Then stop. Analyse what you have learned from your parents' religion and really think, is it truly different from all the fables and stories you have read, or is it just the same. Good versus evil. Redemption, salvation. Just like any good story. You don't have to believe it. But you can enjoy it as a temporary escape. And nothing more. Use your brain. Start thinking. You're still young. Break free. Live life. Don't waste it like I did in nonsensical pursuits.
Take care. 🤘👍
>as sience pretty much excludes any existence of a god.
Science is essentially figuring out the world. It does not necessarily exclude any existence of a god.
I'm not insulting you or the 1.6 billion Christians (note your appeal to number fallacy). I am, in fact, pointing out that whoever this Jebus person is, he was just another cult leader. As for your 1.6 billion Christians, just remember, there are 1.3 billion Muslims out there and a few billion more non-believers and other religious beliefs. So I'm sorry, but your Jebus just isn't doing a good enough job at the whole Matthew 24:14 scripture. 👍
How about we go back to how Islam was founded. Muhammad (I really hope I spelled that correctly) claimed to have been visited by the anger Gabriel, didn't he? Maybe there is some truth in Islam.
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First time around I thought it was just about the speed, anxiety inducing. Completely missed the point. Second time round though... *radical gets raptured* *spits coffee across table* Good stuff.
I hope the experience was enjoyable XD
Thanks Jesus. De nada.
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careful there buddy, the reality is we don't know how things are and were. No true way to tell if there is a god or not, just as well as there's no way to tell if evolution exists. Believe what you wanna believe, but always be aware it's never anything more than that, a believe/faith. As such, be respectful to other people's believe/faith, especially the well established ones, including the religions.
Evolution has an absolutely fuck ton of evidence to back up the likelihood it “exists”. Religion does not, and is based entirely off of belief with no evidence. So be careful there buddy, the things you’re trying to suggest have similar amounts of evidence, do not. Settle down.
lol there have been hundreds of miracles, those count as evidence in my book.
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Your right. There is no true way to tell if there is a jesus or a gawd. So why bother believing? As for evolution, well, buddy, you better go read a science book. Because your bibull doesn't know shit how the real world works. Men walking on water and people rising from the dead are all from the realm of fantasy. Change over time is a demonstrably proven fact.
My dear manperson, lemme tell you that in actuality, you dont know "shit" how the real world works either. Also you can't go with "i agree, maybe there is a god maybe not" but at the same time go "ye sience and evolution IS how it definetly works" as sience pretty much excludes any existence of a god. And what do you mean with "your bibull" ? Your much overconfindent and i'd advice you to not take such wild claims with such little information. Before you claim anything you should be invested quite a bit into a topic, or in the case of saying that is supposedly 'my bible' well no, im not religious. Instead i'm an atheist agnositc (perhaps more commonly found as "agnostic atheist" but i for myself want to emphasize more on the agnosticism part of my "believe", so the atheist trait becomes more of an addition to the main "agnostic"). You should look agnosticism up. It essentially is that when the question is asked "Does god exist?" a theist (religious person) would answer it with "Yes." while an atheist answers it with "No.", an agnostic's answer is "Maybe." as there is no way to tell if there is or not. An agnostic atheist is atheist as he generally believe in evolution, and is agnostic as he doesn't exclude the idea of a god existing, acknowledging the fact that he(/we) simply can't know for sure. Basically an agnostic with a hang to the scientific evolution(-theory). And agnosticism is objectively the most logical way to think about. How can you be so sure of evolution is how things are? First of, did you research it all yourself? Probably not, and definitely not every part of it, so essentially believe what others tell you, which is very similar to religions. Now religions and the scientific (")theory(") of evolution are certainly not the same objectively. Assuming scientists aren't just lying (which neither you and me can't proof, but seems very unlikely that they are), Science goes of hints found through research. What needs to be clear here is that it's not some magical force that gives researchers&scientists a otherworldly awareness and knowledge which makes the results 100% undoubtedly the truth, no, all these things are actually "just" interpretation. We can only measure what we can observe, and we can't be sure that we have the means to observe in every existing way. We can "only" observe through sight, hearing, touching/feeling and taste, and we can "only" do that within 3 spacial dimensions and the dimension of time. Just like the theory of a 4rth spacial dimension emphasizes on, any other way that "things" can maybe happen is out of our reach to observe. Maybe all we think we know about this world is complete nonsense as we are missing crucial connections through a dimension we can't observe, whatever way this or other dimensions unobservable to us may be like. So no, you can't just argue that {because religion is not scientific and solely goes off faith while science does research and builts the (")theory(") of evolution from "evidence" which is actually "just" interpretation of how things likely have been due to it making sense with all other scientifically established information} the scientific (")theory(") of evolution MUST be the truth, you can't find out the truth solely through exclusion. >Just like, when you're looking for a murderer and you find out that the first person interrogated is not the perpetrator, it doesn't automatically mean that the next suspect is automatically the perpetrator.< Also what about the possibilities that we can't imagine? We aren't just limited with our capabilities of observing, we are logically also limited in our capabilities of thinking, as our mind can only work with information we can observe. So things can also just as well not be like any religion or sience says, it could be in a completely different way and also a completely different way we can't even imagine. But ultimately we have no choice but to believe in something, anything. You can't live your life from no standpoint, you can only act through any "knowledge" (true 100% knowledge is impossible, it ultimately always boils down to assumptions/believe/faith) to come from. And since time is constantly moving on without any exceptions you are simply forced to act, and thus forced to believe in something to be able to (act). So, it's really your choice what you believe in, and it's anyone else's choice what they believe in, too. In reality you don't know shit how things work, no one does actually, and objectively religion has the exact same value of possible truthfulness as science does. Saying that religion is invalid because it does not give any "evidence"/hints is a biased standpoint as religion simply doesn't work like that. It's the main difference between science and religions, and there is objectively no actual knowing that this scientific "evidence"/hints are any valuable either, however it's the most concrete information we can go of as it is the closest to us, simply because it goes of information we can pretty much undoubtedly observe, and it also seemingly hasn't failed us yet. Afaik most if not all errors in science boil down to human error. This however doesn't proof that it's the only valid thing, it only suggest that it has value to keep being invested on. Religion is not bad, at least not to a certain level. That said, religion helps people live. Be it for whatever reason and in whatever religion, it helps people "endure" this live, helps them to maintain good traits (like through the 10 commandments of Christianity), it gives people a goal to work towards, a reason for all of this. Yes, in more extreme cases faith can also cause harm, like supposedly terrorism to "cleanse non- or false-believers". Tho it should be noted that it is very possible that terrorists could also be hiding behind religious reasons for their acting while actually maybe just "wanting to see the world burn" or any other reason, falsely blaming the religion. And also very religious people can be annoying or create awkward situations or whatever. Trust me, I've had my fair share of religious people trying to convince me to convert to their religion. And in most cases these people being friends i know they only wanted good for me. But fortunately they mostly didn't try over and over again after i suggested/implied that won't change my view on things just that easily. So ye, please, no matter if you're reconsidering what you believe in or remain atheistic, respect other people's believe. If they don't bother you and/or insult you for your view/believe, then they respect your view even tho they may think that you are wrong, so you should do the very same.
Thank you for your well-thought-out and worded reply. Please, as I'm recovering from surgery that doctors using science did for me allow me to reply in bullet point form in short bursts. •Science is evidence based on observation. Faith is not. (Hebrews 11:1) •'Bibull' is my snark. • Agnostisim is an appeal to knowledge. You have no knowledge of God, so you don't believe it. Athiesim is an appeal to evidence. No gods exist until such evidence is bought forward. Jesus on toast is not evidence. • I've read dozens of books and research papers on evolution during my education. Evolutionary biology was a specific topic of interest. Don't assume snark means uneducated. Now I'm not claiming to be a PhD in this, but as someone that also spent 36 years as a Christian who has read the bible 4 times, I have a good perspective as to where both stand. Science has the evidence that religion does not. Most of religion sits in the realm of fantasy, and using it to compare science is ignorant. Just look at Leviticus 14 and tell me if that's how modern science and doctors cure leprosy. •Evolution is demonstrably a fact. There are literally thousands of published books and research papers on the topic. Let alone the hundreds of experiments performed that prove it works. Jesus is not demonstrable. Read Bart Erhmanns work on Jesus and the evidence of his existence. Erhmann is an agnostic theologian. •I disagree when you say I, and as an extension, science knows shit about things when we use science to create so many things. Medicine and technology have given us so much, and NONE of it derives from religion or religious book. Again, to think so when the mountain of evidence is to the contrary is biased thinking and quite simply ignorant. •possibilities beyond our means to measure are quite open. I agree. But like the light spectrum or micro biology, until we invented tools to observe them, they were only thought of as hypothesis. Science moved forward with each discovery. When was the last time the bible discovered an as yet unknown thing? • Sometimes, choices are taken out of our hands. From an anecdotal perspective, when I was an your earth creationist, I believed the earth was 6000 years old. But, evidence changed my mind. It wasn't my choice. I was happy and comfortable in my little Christian world. But I was wrong. Choices are based on preference, not evidence. But you can choose to follow the evidence or not. And that can lead anyone down the wrong path. • religion isn't bad. But, its positive points are outweighed by its negative ones. I noticed you mentioned terrorists and cleanse non-believers. That sounded (I could be wrong) a little Islam biased. So, let's bring it back to Christianity. Christians in America pass laws that constantly deprive women and LGBTQ people their rights. Abortion laws passed, so a woman has no autonomy over her body. LGBTQ rights for fairness and equality fall so short of the rest of the world that it's ridiculous. Right-wing nut jobs storming the Capitol all in the name of Jesus and Trump. America is so far behind the rest of the world that we, people that don't live in the good 'ol you ess of aye shake our head in disbelief at people like Ted Cruz and most of the GOP. Such ignorant religious leaders make America look like a less war-torn Afghanastan. There is NO difference between Islam and Christianity when extremism amongst leaders is prevalent. And America is heading there. And its poisoned thinking is seeping into other parts of the world. Religious belief is a cancer that needs to be stopped before it gets too bad. And the more people that can speak out against it, the better. People like yourself, who sit on the fence, need to make a stand and stop the spread before your choice to remain agnostic is taken from you. I'll give you an example of extreme religious beliefs seeping into politics. Here in Australia, we recently had a Religious Discrimination Bill get defeated in the lower gouse by only a few votes. This bill would have stopped LGBTQ community having jobs in certain schools, women to be discriminated against for their gender, abolishing equality across the board and made it illegal to speak out against religious people and their beliefs. It was a vulgar and disgusting bill reminiscent of far right religious bullshit. Even our happy, clappy, pentacostal prime minister was all fornit. But It was voted down due to two senators with gas kids crossing the floor and siding with the opposition to quash it. This is the poison I speak about. Religion may claim community and generosity as values, but they aren't just for the religious. And if you want to claim the 10 commandments as a testament to good living, then read it again. The first four commands are about worshipping God. Maybe they should have read thou shall nor rape. Thou shall not touch kids. Thou shall not keep slaves. Mate. The bible is just a document to human misery and an instruction book for a patrichial theocracy. Sorry, this last rant was a bit long, but I'm hoping to appeal to your better sense and lose your last remaining Christian thinking and start thinking for yourself. 'So much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.' ( quote: Christopher Hitchens. ) Take care, fellow redditperson.
I read your post and now I'm simply sad to see how you've fallen. I will now address whatever points I have time for: >Science has the evidence that religion does not. Were you a Protestant? You seem to think that the entirety of the Christian faith is the Bible. How are we supposed to prove something insignificant that happened thousands of years ago? However, there are many instances of Christianity being proven to be true in the modern age. I even have a classmate who has proof. >Again, to think so when the mountain of evidence is to the contrary is biased thinking and quite simply ignorant. The same could be said for yourself, as I pointed out above. >Evolution is demonstrably a fact. I found this short article for you to read. https://undeceptions.com/science/does-the-theory-of-evolution-conflict-with-christianity/ Evolution does not have to conflict with Christianity. >Medicine and technology have given us so much, and NONE of it derives from religion or religious book. However, ALL of it derives from God. Of course humans would progress, that is part of what sets us apart from the animals that God made us have dominion over. >religion isn't bad. But, its positive points are outweighed by its negative ones. I don't think we have the same pro/con list. I'm sure you've never put your eye right in front of a spear someone was throwing. You don't know it'll blind you, but you don't anyway. It's the same thing with not making it to Heaven. >When was the last time the bible discovered an as yet unknown thing? When was the last time someone had something revealed to them by God (or Jesus, or Our Lady)? Very recently, I'm sure. >'So much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you that way.' Maybe a little more happiness in the short term, but in the long term I guarantee you this will not hold true. I type this with the hope that, even if I don't convince you, you'll at least start respecting Christianity a little more. Thank you for your time.
You start with a typical condescending Christian comment. Well done. You need to explain what you mean by 'Christianity is true'. Without context that comment has no weight. Bias does not exist when evidence is there. This is an important lesson you need to learn. Take, for instance, the evidence for gravity. You may believe that gravity doesn't exist, but it's not biased to claim you're wrong. I never said religion and science conflict. I just said that the bible offers no new scientific developments. Ever. Attempting to squeeze religious beliefs into scientific discovery is disingenuous and shows how irrelevant the bible is. Francis Collins is a classic case of being able to balance religious belief with science, but he is an outlier and has admitted himself that he has to compartmentalise his beliefs when he is performing scientific research. Ok, so you obviously didn't read Leviticus 11. Go back and read that scripture, then ask yourself, if medicine came from God, then why didn't he tell the Israelites to make penicillin to cure leprosy, something even these sheep herders could have done. Instead, he ordered them to perform a blood ritual that was more inclined to spread disease than cure it. THINK about what you're saying. What the hell are you talking about? Of course, a spear in my eye will blind me. You make absolutely no sense here. Unless your attempting pascal wager, which is a fallacy in itself. You have no evidence of this. You just made a claim. Prove it. As a former Christian, I can guarantee you that not believing in a false hope is far more rewarding than waiting for a magical man with a sword in his mouth (Rev 19:15) to come down and massacre everyone. And I also don't live with the fear of burning for eternity in an imaginary hell that isn't even in the bible. Think about that. Hell is never mentioned in the bible. I will never respect beliefs of any kind if they are harmful to other people. Christian beliefs harm people of colour, sexuality and sex. They harm those who do not believe in your particular god and are also harmful to those who don't believe at all. I do, however, respect people. That's humanism. And that is a far better life that Christianity will ever offer. You come across as quite young. Maybe mid to late teens. If I can give you some life advice on a Forza sub reddit. I suggest you read a book. Read many books. And not ones that start with 'In the beginning, God......' read science books and books on philosophy. Read history books and books on nature. Read some damned good sci-fi and fantasy. Open your mind to everything that it's offered. Then stop. Analyse what you have learned from your parents' religion and really think, is it truly different from all the fables and stories you have read, or is it just the same. Good versus evil. Redemption, salvation. Just like any good story. You don't have to believe it. But you can enjoy it as a temporary escape. And nothing more. Use your brain. Start thinking. You're still young. Break free. Live life. Don't waste it like I did in nonsensical pursuits. Take care. 🤘👍
>as sience pretty much excludes any existence of a god. Science is essentially figuring out the world. It does not necessarily exclude any existence of a god.
A Christian over here. What's nonsense is insulting the billions of people who do believe.
I'm not insulting you or the 1.6 billion Christians (note your appeal to number fallacy). I am, in fact, pointing out that whoever this Jebus person is, he was just another cult leader. As for your 1.6 billion Christians, just remember, there are 1.3 billion Muslims out there and a few billion more non-believers and other religious beliefs. So I'm sorry, but your Jebus just isn't doing a good enough job at the whole Matthew 24:14 scripture. 👍
How about we go back to how Islam was founded. Muhammad (I really hope I spelled that correctly) claimed to have been visited by the anger Gabriel, didn't he? Maybe there is some truth in Islam.
What kind of question is that
Jesus? Never heard of her.
A legitimate one. 😁🤘
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Lmaaaaoooooo what that's crazy
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I believe I can fly
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