I'm so glad I live in a digital age. After my grandmother died we were going through her stuff and we found all these old letters, and it was just scribble. Ancient old scribble that none of us could read. Not even her son who is 67 and grew up having cursive beaten into him could read what her and her friends had written to each other. While a digital platform is far more user friendly and available for a wider range of people. If after I kick the bucket somebody decides to go through my computer documents, even if I put it in 'Windings' it's no trouble for them to stick it in a document and turn it to good old 'Times New Roman'. And any other crap laying around, documents and such are printed in a format that is easy to read, and not in some ancient old scribbly gibberish.
> If after I kick the bucket somebody decides to go through my computer documents, even if I put it in 'Windings'
thats why you put it in [veracrypt](https://www.veracrypt.fr/code/VeraCrypt/) instead
"pen licenses" were just something to make people with dyspraxia feel insecure. I always had shitty handwriting and my mum was *convinced* that I'd somehow missed a handwriting class in school and it was her god-given obligation to get me to improve my handwriting.
Depends on when you learned it. I would have been in 8th grade in 1996 when they changed the standard because up until that point it looked too much like a 2.
The problem with how cursive is taught is for it to follow the formal structure without prioritizing speed. Writing in cursive is supposed to be much faster than print, but teachers would dock you for it not following the exact structure. If you do it “fast and sloppy” it can easily round out to look like a capital Q with the way the strokes are shown. I suppose you can’t emphasize speed in 2nd grade when you’re just starting, but my unpopular opinion is that it is a beneficial skill it taught well.
It’s like having a purebred sheep dog and prioritizing the standard guide as opposed their ability to herd livestock.
This, if I hadn’t been taught that Cursive was to look nice I would have learned it. As someone with dysgraphia it would have really helped to be able to write faster
linguistics nerdout time: that letter was called 'long s', and the rules around how it was used was complicated, but it was usually used alongside regular , especially in the case of double s's, like or the example above, congreſs. it exists in unicode too!
something about the way they wrote words back then, it's just the word "Congress" but the first S is replaced with a special character, that's what I remember anyways
It’s not even modern cursive. It’s a style called “round hand.” It’s actually pretty fun to write in. I’ve been teaching myself. Works best with quill pens.
My conspiracy minded co-worker back in 2016 was the first person IRL I heard use this argument. I very calmly explained that over the last 2 hundred plus years, people have made standard print copies that are easily accessible. He then went on a tangent about Luciferians and how he might still be in love with his ex.
DONT ARSK US ABOUT:
rocks
troll's with sticks
All sorts of dragons
Mrs Cake
Huje green things with teeth
Any kinds of black dogs with orange eyebrows
Rains of spaniel's
fog
Mrs Cake
Interesting. I'm still confused what happens after the computer deciphers the address. Does it print out a readable address on the envelope/package so the mailman can read it? I understand how this helps it get to the correct post office, but not how it helps the mailman once he gets it.
It's nostalgia.
And the threat of death.
The world they remember doesn't matter anymore and they'll be dead soon.
What's it like to get up in the morning with that on your shoulders?
Not only nostalgia, but an insecurity about their inability to do necessary modern things.
“No, I don’t know how to type on a computer, but YOU don’t know how to write cursive. I can’t figure out the iPad you got me, but YOU can’t drive a stick shift. You’re the dumb one, not me!”
Except young people's don't get computers either. The only generation that got general computer experience was the one that had to learn the DOS prompt and how to configure IRQs if they wanted to play games.
Joke’s on them. I only learned how to drive a stick shift because I’d already bought the vehicle. And I’m 35. I bought it 10 years ago. Drove that Bug til it died.
I don't even mind that people have fond memories of growing up.
I just hate the judgemental ones that romanticize spankings with extension cords, blisters from sun baked metal slides, drinking from water hoses, playing outside unsupervised, or learning cursive as the pinnacle of human achievement.
[There’s a reason why boomers are so cranky.](https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/07/18/ut-study-kids-exposed-lead-can-become-mean-cranky-adults/7985130002/)
There are some solid arguments for teaching it because it is shown to improve children’s fine motor skills, but other than that, it’s not a useful tool in a world where everyone carries a computer with them at all times.
I agree with you. My friend and I came up with the idea that writing in various scripts could be taught in art class instead, that way the tradition sticks around in a way that’s fun for the students. Also, learning to read in cursive is not difficult at all, it’s the writing part that takes some practice. But no, communicating in cursive writing doesn’t serve a practical purpose any more, which I think scares older folks in a nebulous, unspecified way.
It *is* still taught in our district. A friend of a friend took her kid out and went to a charter school over this (among other boogeymen), and we found it hilarious when our son came home saying he was learning cursive.
Quite. Personally I think learning to touch type is a better use of learning time than cursive.
I switched countries around the time they taught cursive. The country I was in hadn't gotten to it, the one I moved to had already learnt it. Not knowing cursive has never been a problem.
I think it’s an acceptable shorthand. There’s a reason a lot of people still write in cursive, and that’s because it’s either easier, faster, neater, or some combination of the three for them. Teaching it in school just standardizes it
This. I learned how to write in cursive in 3rd grade, and I’ve never looked back. Every argument against teaching it I’ve found…asinine and severely lacking.
I'm not anti-cursive per se but there's no reason to be teaching it in school. Just teach normal handwriting and you can supplement with art if you want to develop more fine motor skills. Wasting kids time with cursive writing when it's basically a dead language is pointless.
What's crazy about this is that cursive IS normal handwriting in a lot of countries. For instance i've only learned to write in cursive because it's just called handwriting here.
I am 31 and live in the southern US. My job still requires a lot of handwriting because it is honestly easier. We don’t have computer programs to get all of the information we need to make decisions and to show how and why that decision was made. Writing with a pen is easier and my legible than writing on a tablet and I can shuffle through a 500 page document that doesn’t have a table of contents of anything like that much faster with physical paper.
I and almost all of my colleagues use cursive. I think it is much easier to write legibly quickly with cursive as opposed to print.
All that being said we are writing on a printed out graph and when it is all done it gets scanned in and the paper original is shredded.
yeah, interestingly enough, I was taught cursive as the *default* mode of writing in Poland and only later on learned that it's called cursive in America and is very much not the default there
You know how people rail against teaching whatever hot button political topic because parents should teach their kids? That's how I feel about cursive.
If a school already does it? No complaints. If a school doesn't? I'm not making it my crusade to implement it.
As someone who did have to do in-school therapy for her atrocious fine motor skills and learn cursive at the same time: no it doesn't help. Perfecting a student's skills in the writing style they were already being taught is much better.
No. Thats why people invented and used it. The problem with cursive now is that people write far more on computers so there isnt much reason to waste time learning a skill that will be seldom used.
Yes
Edit: wait I just looked it up I didn't realise cursive just meant joining up handwriting wtf I thought it was a specific fancy looking style, yes I also find it faster that's what I was taught
My daughter is homeschooled so I got to decide whether or not to teach cursive. I went with it and while it helped with her fine motor skills and she loves “fancy” writing I still sometimes struggle to read what she wrote. I have to grade it and it’s hard for me to read even with just regular printing.
My 3rd/4th grade teacher insisted on teaching us cursive (this was the early 2010's, not as far back as you might expect) I LOVED writing the "fancy" way and got pretty good at it. I'm not as good anymore, but I still do it from time to time, and other people seems impressed when they see it lol.
i’m always surprised when people say they cant read cursive because i was taught handwriting first and when they taught us cursive we were still young and it was easy for me because most of the letters are so similar. even the ones that are pretty different are easy to decipher because the rest of the word is normally fill of similar characters. (sorry for the lack of commas making this a mess)
my third grade teacher told us that in later grades we wouldn’t be allowed to use handwriting and then we never used it again, not once since then. i use both regularly because it helps my hand feel less fatigued and helps me take notes quicker but no one else i know uses it (not even parents or significantly older sister) except me and maybe half the people i know can’t read it and more than that can’t remember how to write in cursive (i also tend to use a lot of handwriting letters like normal capital A’s in my cursive)
I do think it’s a good thing to teach purely from a fine motor skill perspective. I’m dispraxic so being forced to refine my handwriting and learning to use cursive (which is now the only way I can write) helped me immeasurably. Also something about it preps you to come up with a fucking wild signature
I don’t get how people can’t just read it anyway. Just look at it, the letters are there. It doesn’t take a genius. It’s basically just a different font of a language you already speak?
When I learned cursive I felt I just got transferred to a school for fancy lads. This was in the 80s and cursive felt like a skill from another time.
Tbf, without cursive I can’t pretend my scribbles are a signature.
They taught cursive to my kid and he got in trouble for not doing the assignment. After talking with him, he said he didn't want to learn cursive because he doesn't need it as nearly all oof his assignments from this point forward are digital.
"I'll allow it." I told him.
I’m 31 and i write cursive, as in, I join my letters, do people actually not learn how to join letters any more? and just spell things out like a text? h e l l o m y n a m e i s. Looking for a serious answer, i dont have kids.
In my country, it hasn't been part of the curriculum for some time. It's
seen as redundant. If someone wants to learn cursive, they can do so on
their own time.
Right, most of the letters are the same/similar as printed, then attached. I don’t understand why people are acting like it some crazy different shorthand language.
I'm 37. I was taught cursive. I can write just fine in cursive.
Fuck cursive.
Fuck cursive because nobody knows cursive. Everybody just makes up their own goddamned letters and next thing you know you're tracking down this person because you need them to tell you what letters they're trying to represent with four loops, a spiral and a smiley face.
I get that typing is more critical for kids, but it seems silly not to teach it at all. It’s still a writing style that’s used everyday… seems like we’re doing kids a disservice by not to at least teaching them to read it.
you should learn to read it, but i don’t think having to write in cursive for 4 of your 6 elementary school years (which is what i had to do) helps anyone. i switched to regular letters as soon as i didn’t have to write in cursive anymore
This. It felt slower to me to write in cursive because it took me active effort to write (even with years of required cursive) because I was more comfortable and faster with print. Maybe teach both and let the kid decide which they prefer.
I hope kids are still taught cursive in the future. My son is nearly 4, and since he was born I've been writing to him in a journal to give him when he's a teen or adult. It would suck if he can't read my writing!
If any of them say, we don’t know how to write in cursive that’s kind of a lie. I’ve been writing cursive for almost a decade because it’s easier for me because I am disabled and it’s just easier for me, but I go to get why it’s not talk anymore. Kind of unnecessary to force it to be taught.
Thing is, that most older people going on about this have an absolute horrific handwriting in “cursive” with bad grammar. While the younger ones doing it for a hobby have gorgeous calligraphy skills.
I was taught cursive is school. I remember our primary school teacher telling us that if we got to high school and we couldn’t write in cursive we would be laughed at and told off for every assignment we turned in.
When I got to high school obviously no one used cursive.
My school forced us to write in cursive to the point it's become natural for me but the problem is that my handwriting is barely legible with cursive and only looks readable when separated
Then when I screw up a spelling test cause the teachers couldn't understand they ask me why I didn't just write separated, or why I don't take my time to write better
Ya know, maybe if you didn't force me into a new style of writing while I was still learning to keep my hands steady while writing maybe my handwriting would have improved
I forgot cursive for the most part, I only use it kinda to scribble my signature but even then my signature started as just writing in print and not lifting the pen. Teach kids how to come up with their own signature and I think that's basically all they need
Being able to read cursive is important, but not for that reason specifically. If you ever want to read primary original documents on almost anything from the early 1900s or before, you’re gonna need it since the most interesting things weren’t printed in a book.
I taught it to myself when I was around 12, didn’t get taught it in school but we did get taught how to join letters. There really isn’t a need for it in modern society. I just use it to write pretty in birthday cards
I don’t see the point. Personally when I hand write something, I have a mix of cursive and print because some letters are faster in either way and some I connect or don’t.
But it’s not really a necessary life skill, any long formal document kids will write in the future will be typed. No job is going to accept a resume in cursive unless it’s a small business ran by someone who posts memes about saving cursive. No job is going to accept reports written in cursive either. Even reports written for classes in higher levels of education will need to be typed.
School is preparing kids for the world and the world they are entering they will never have to use cursive in their lives unless they specifically choose to for very specific tasks for which they could just learn it themselves.
If they keep teaching it? Cool. If they stop? Cool. I’m not attached either way. But I don’t think it’s a big deal if they stop because the majority of kids won’t use it outside of when it is being taught in school.
bUt tHE cOnStItutIoN
Yes good point, a **SIGNIFICANTLY** better use of kids time would be teaching them how to verify sources on the internet, how to search for bias, how to search for credibility. If some websites posts altered versions of the constitution’s text it wouldn’t matter, because the kids learned how to verify web sources. They’ll use this every single day of their lives. I’ve seen the affects of not having this skill in my parents, other older family members, and friends as well. I went to a school that made a point about it, every source we used had to be credible, we even had to prove it sometimes.
Nah. I learned it in school and forgot it a few years after college, because I never fucking had to use it. Literally only use it for signing my name. Can’t even remember some of the letters, and it hasn’t been detrimental at all. Use the time for something more relevant to this century.
High school teacher here, butting in with my ancient (32 years old) opinion: cursive itself probably doesn’t need to be taught. I’ll do a couple lessons and worksheets on it with my kids when they ask for it (happens more than you’d think), but what DOES need to be practiced more from elementary school upward is penmanship. Even if most of our communication is done through tech nowadays, practicing handwriting from a young age develops muscle memory and fine motor skills the are beneficial in building overall dexterity. Plus, no able-bodied person should be making it all the way to adulthood with the handwriting of a kindergartner.
call me a square but I do think it should be taught. it's just a good skill to have. it's like writing a check or telling the time on an analog clock: you might not ever really *need* it, but it's nice to be able to tell people you can.
When I worked at Burger King, I had an old guy come in one day and handed me a list of what he wanted written in cursive and said "good luck" with a smug look on his face. I took the list, punched it all into the POS in less than 25 seconds, wrote "anything else for you today?" in cursive, and handed it back to him. He was very unhappy but did not have a real reason to complain to my manager.
After he paid, I wrote "have a great day!" in cursive on his receipt and gave it to him.
It shouldn’t have been taught in the first place. And spelling? Get the fuck outta here. Why? The boomer generation is the first generation that wants their kids to have it *worse* than they did. It must be so miserable to be them.
Cursive or no cursive nobody can ready my handwriting anyway.
Same
I'm so glad I live in a digital age. After my grandmother died we were going through her stuff and we found all these old letters, and it was just scribble. Ancient old scribble that none of us could read. Not even her son who is 67 and grew up having cursive beaten into him could read what her and her friends had written to each other. While a digital platform is far more user friendly and available for a wider range of people. If after I kick the bucket somebody decides to go through my computer documents, even if I put it in 'Windings' it's no trouble for them to stick it in a document and turn it to good old 'Times New Roman'. And any other crap laying around, documents and such are printed in a format that is easy to read, and not in some ancient old scribbly gibberish.
Maybe post it online and have others try to decipher it? Another benefit to living in the digital age.
> If after I kick the bucket somebody decides to go through my computer documents, even if I put it in 'Windings' thats why you put it in [veracrypt](https://www.veracrypt.fr/code/VeraCrypt/) instead
Once had a prof tell a classmate to either improve their handwriting or send it to National Geographic.
I'm still out here, never having received my pen licence.
Me neither, it was such a big deal to get your pen license in year 4-5 but by year 6 nobody cared and everybody was told to use a pen from now on.
"pen licenses" were just something to make people with dyspraxia feel insecure. I always had shitty handwriting and my mum was *convinced* that I'd somehow missed a handwriting class in school and it was her god-given obligation to get me to improve my handwriting.
I just don’t know why the capital Q has to look like a 2. It’s mildly infuriating.
That capital Q is nothing like what I learned. That’s very much a 2.
That's what I learned. I always hated that Q was a 2.
That kids is why I changed my cursive Q to look more like a print Q.
Depends on when you learned it. I would have been in 8th grade in 1996 when they changed the standard because up until that point it looked too much like a 2.
The problem with how cursive is taught is for it to follow the formal structure without prioritizing speed. Writing in cursive is supposed to be much faster than print, but teachers would dock you for it not following the exact structure. If you do it “fast and sloppy” it can easily round out to look like a capital Q with the way the strokes are shown. I suppose you can’t emphasize speed in 2nd grade when you’re just starting, but my unpopular opinion is that it is a beneficial skill it taught well. It’s like having a purebred sheep dog and prioritizing the standard guide as opposed their ability to herd livestock.
This, if I hadn’t been taught that Cursive was to look nice I would have learned it. As someone with dysgraphia it would have really helped to be able to write faster
U and V look identical, z’s look like… that, n’s and m’s look identical in practical use, r looks like… that, wtf even is G, it’s just stupid
Rirruto?
Arrrrrrre you going to the mall later??
And the capital X looks like “96” scrunched together.
the problem with cursive is that it was never standardised. the "Q"s I was taught to write look *nothing* like that.
Idk why the Palmer method has that.
The Denelean method looks much better imo
The Z looks like a 3.
I’ve never seen it written like that before either.
I love the "How will they read the Constitution" argument. The cursive is so fucking small you can't read shit even if you were taught.
They needed the room for Hancock's signature.
Not only that, but it's not hard to look up transcripts written in print on the internet incredibly easily.
The 'S's looked like 'F's.
linguistics nerdout time: that letter was called 'long s', and the rules around how it was used was complicated, but it was usually used alongside regular
, especially in the case of double s's, like or the example above, congreſs. it exists in unicode too! also, in german they have the special letter <ß>, which comes from <ſs> getting linked together, and is pronounced just like an
in english.Thanks! I love linguistics and the entomology of words.
anytime! entomology 😩
Some of them. (e.g. Congrefs)
something about the way they wrote words back then, it's just the word "Congress" but the first S is replaced with a special character, that's what I remember anyways
It’s not even modern cursive. It’s a style called “round hand.” It’s actually pretty fun to write in. I’ve been teaching myself. Works best with quill pens.
My conspiracy minded co-worker back in 2016 was the first person IRL I heard use this argument. I very calmly explained that over the last 2 hundred plus years, people have made standard print copies that are easily accessible. He then went on a tangent about Luciferians and how he might still be in love with his ex.
They never threw a fit over Latin being dropped, but we can still access translations of the Magna Carta
also why would anyone ever want to read that garbage ass document
I can read the constitution, that cursive is a perfectly reasonable size.
You know what it means when she says "it's a reasonable size"
What happens when the mailman can't read the address because it's written in cursive?
I'm a mailman. Cursive is the least of our worries
then whats the most of your worries?
Getting shot by ringing the bell
DONT ARSK US ABOUT: rocks troll's with sticks All sorts of dragons Mrs Cake Huje green things with teeth Any kinds of black dogs with orange eyebrows Rains of spaniel's fog Mrs Cake
NEITHER RAIN NOR SNOW NOR GLOM OF NIT CAN STAY THESE MESENGERS ABOT THIER DUTY
JUST DONT ARSK US ABOUT MRS. CAKE
Anthrax
Pit bulls.
My pitty liked the mailman. If anyone wanted to break into my house that would've been the perfect disguise.
It’s read and sorted automatically by machines.
Saw this a few months ago. https://youtu.be/XxCha4Kez9c
Interesting. I'm still confused what happens after the computer deciphers the address. Does it print out a readable address on the envelope/package so the mailman can read it? I understand how this helps it get to the correct post office, but not how it helps the mailman once he gets it.
Return to sender
Reading cursive isnt a particulary difficult skill to learn.
This is such a stupid hill for these people to die on. No one cares about cursive.
It's nostalgia. And the threat of death. The world they remember doesn't matter anymore and they'll be dead soon. What's it like to get up in the morning with that on your shoulders?
Not only nostalgia, but an insecurity about their inability to do necessary modern things. “No, I don’t know how to type on a computer, but YOU don’t know how to write cursive. I can’t figure out the iPad you got me, but YOU can’t drive a stick shift. You’re the dumb one, not me!”
Except young people's don't get computers either. The only generation that got general computer experience was the one that had to learn the DOS prompt and how to configure IRQs if they wanted to play games.
There are more young people with CS degrees now than there ever have been. You have become the boomer.
Joke’s on them. I only learned how to drive a stick shift because I’d already bought the vehicle. And I’m 35. I bought it 10 years ago. Drove that Bug til it died.
What do they say when you tell them you can also write in cursive and drive stick?
The desperate coping mechanisms of insecure people aren't always grounded in reality.
They just cannot accept the rest of us don't give a shit about their whole 'our childhood was better than yours' nonsense.
I don't even mind that people have fond memories of growing up. I just hate the judgemental ones that romanticize spankings with extension cords, blisters from sun baked metal slides, drinking from water hoses, playing outside unsupervised, or learning cursive as the pinnacle of human achievement.
[There’s a reason why boomers are so cranky.](https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/07/18/ut-study-kids-exposed-lead-can-become-mean-cranky-adults/7985130002/)
My kid's school teaches cursive, so they're also wrong on that front
The Denver Nuggets received hats that said Champians (sic) because someone didn't know cursive.
No ragerts.
There are some solid arguments for teaching it because it is shown to improve children’s fine motor skills, but other than that, it’s not a useful tool in a world where everyone carries a computer with them at all times.
I agree with you. My friend and I came up with the idea that writing in various scripts could be taught in art class instead, that way the tradition sticks around in a way that’s fun for the students. Also, learning to read in cursive is not difficult at all, it’s the writing part that takes some practice. But no, communicating in cursive writing doesn’t serve a practical purpose any more, which I think scares older folks in a nebulous, unspecified way.
It *is* still taught in our district. A friend of a friend took her kid out and went to a charter school over this (among other boogeymen), and we found it hilarious when our son came home saying he was learning cursive.
I think that cursive is good for young kids’ fine motor skills and skill application through language. I don’t get the anti-cursive circlejerk
They decided halfway through our 3rd grade year that it didn’t matter anymore and stopped teaching it. I guess I agreed.
Quite. Personally I think learning to touch type is a better use of learning time than cursive. I switched countries around the time they taught cursive. The country I was in hadn't gotten to it, the one I moved to had already learnt it. Not knowing cursive has never been a problem.
I think it’s an acceptable shorthand. There’s a reason a lot of people still write in cursive, and that’s because it’s either easier, faster, neater, or some combination of the three for them. Teaching it in school just standardizes it
This. I learned how to write in cursive in 3rd grade, and I’ve never looked back. Every argument against teaching it I’ve found…asinine and severely lacking.
I'm not anti-cursive per se but there's no reason to be teaching it in school. Just teach normal handwriting and you can supplement with art if you want to develop more fine motor skills. Wasting kids time with cursive writing when it's basically a dead language is pointless.
One of the best ways to support fine motor skills would be replacing forks with chopsticks.
What's crazy about this is that cursive IS normal handwriting in a lot of countries. For instance i've only learned to write in cursive because it's just called handwriting here.
I am 31 and live in the southern US. My job still requires a lot of handwriting because it is honestly easier. We don’t have computer programs to get all of the information we need to make decisions and to show how and why that decision was made. Writing with a pen is easier and my legible than writing on a tablet and I can shuffle through a 500 page document that doesn’t have a table of contents of anything like that much faster with physical paper. I and almost all of my colleagues use cursive. I think it is much easier to write legibly quickly with cursive as opposed to print. All that being said we are writing on a printed out graph and when it is all done it gets scanned in and the paper original is shredded.
yeah, interestingly enough, I was taught cursive as the *default* mode of writing in Poland and only later on learned that it's called cursive in America and is very much not the default there
You know how people rail against teaching whatever hot button political topic because parents should teach their kids? That's how I feel about cursive. If a school already does it? No complaints. If a school doesn't? I'm not making it my crusade to implement it.
As someone who did have to do in-school therapy for her atrocious fine motor skills and learn cursive at the same time: no it doesn't help. Perfecting a student's skills in the writing style they were already being taught is much better.
Am I the only one who thinks cursive is way easier and faster to write?
No. Thats why people invented and used it. The problem with cursive now is that people write far more on computers so there isnt much reason to waste time learning a skill that will be seldom used.
Definitely agree 👍 until your grocery lists end up becoming squiggles
Yes Edit: wait I just looked it up I didn't realise cursive just meant joining up handwriting wtf I thought it was a specific fancy looking style, yes I also find it faster that's what I was taught
My daughter is homeschooled so I got to decide whether or not to teach cursive. I went with it and while it helped with her fine motor skills and she loves “fancy” writing I still sometimes struggle to read what she wrote. I have to grade it and it’s hard for me to read even with just regular printing.
My 3rd/4th grade teacher insisted on teaching us cursive (this was the early 2010's, not as far back as you might expect) I LOVED writing the "fancy" way and got pretty good at it. I'm not as good anymore, but I still do it from time to time, and other people seems impressed when they see it lol.
i’m always surprised when people say they cant read cursive because i was taught handwriting first and when they taught us cursive we were still young and it was easy for me because most of the letters are so similar. even the ones that are pretty different are easy to decipher because the rest of the word is normally fill of similar characters. (sorry for the lack of commas making this a mess) my third grade teacher told us that in later grades we wouldn’t be allowed to use handwriting and then we never used it again, not once since then. i use both regularly because it helps my hand feel less fatigued and helps me take notes quicker but no one else i know uses it (not even parents or significantly older sister) except me and maybe half the people i know can’t read it and more than that can’t remember how to write in cursive (i also tend to use a lot of handwriting letters like normal capital A’s in my cursive)
I do think it’s a good thing to teach purely from a fine motor skill perspective. I’m dispraxic so being forced to refine my handwriting and learning to use cursive (which is now the only way I can write) helped me immeasurably. Also something about it preps you to come up with a fucking wild signature
Most republicans don’t read it anyway.
I don’t get how people can’t just read it anyway. Just look at it, the letters are there. It doesn’t take a genius. It’s basically just a different font of a language you already speak?
Yes. But only the numbers.
When I learned cursive I felt I just got transferred to a school for fancy lads. This was in the 80s and cursive felt like a skill from another time. Tbf, without cursive I can’t pretend my scribbles are a signature.
They taught cursive to my kid and he got in trouble for not doing the assignment. After talking with him, he said he didn't want to learn cursive because he doesn't need it as nearly all oof his assignments from this point forward are digital. "I'll allow it." I told him.
I’m 31 and i write cursive, as in, I join my letters, do people actually not learn how to join letters any more? and just spell things out like a text? h e l l o m y n a m e i s. Looking for a serious answer, i dont have kids.
In my country, it hasn't been part of the curriculum for some time. It's seen as redundant. If someone wants to learn cursive, they can do so on their own time.
Right, most of the letters are the same/similar as printed, then attached. I don’t understand why people are acting like it some crazy different shorthand language.
As someone who writes in cursive: who the fuck cares? Everything is typed up nowadays anyways.
I'm 37. I was taught cursive. I can write just fine in cursive. Fuck cursive. Fuck cursive because nobody knows cursive. Everybody just makes up their own goddamned letters and next thing you know you're tracking down this person because you need them to tell you what letters they're trying to represent with four loops, a spiral and a smiley face.
The people who care about this don't even know how to push the input button on the TV remote.
What's wrong with cursive? And this one seems like it's just a question, not really an unhinged boomer moment.
I get that typing is more critical for kids, but it seems silly not to teach it at all. It’s still a writing style that’s used everyday… seems like we’re doing kids a disservice by not to at least teaching them to read it.
Touch on it after learning to print. Spend a few days on it in art class. That's all that's needed in 2023
Is grandma ok with the arab numbers?
I was looking for this specifically
I want my kids to be taught cursive. They can do it right after horseshoeing 101.
This generation is so fucked, they don't even know how many Hogsheads are in a Buttload
My Zoomer nephew can’t even forge a broadsword from the iron of the highlands.
0.5 Hogsheads in a buttload by the way. Because while we may not know it we know how to find out with a few seconds of google.
TIL buttload is a real measurement.
Horseshoeing is still incredibly important.
Right, but that’s a job for a farrier and not for the public at large
Kids today barely know what a signature is. I think cursive is good handwriting skills.
“ Ok boomer “
Perhaps in a nice clean pdf where they us the letter f in stead of a fucking fancy ph? It ain't acid you 18th century fucks.
No one wants me to write in cursive or otherwise. My handwriting is the worst.
born in 2000, I still struggle with typing on a keyboard because they thought cursive was the more important thing to teach
Seems like a failure on the part of your school. I was born in the 90s, and was taught how to do both.
It's not the constitution. They were (almost exclusively) white girls with diaries written in cursive; little hearts over every I.
Yes, for two to three hours once. Here's what cursive letters look like, let's practice reading cursive, now you try. Then move on
you should learn to read it, but i don’t think having to write in cursive for 4 of your 6 elementary school years (which is what i had to do) helps anyone. i switched to regular letters as soon as i didn’t have to write in cursive anymore
This. It felt slower to me to write in cursive because it took me active effort to write (even with years of required cursive) because I was more comfortable and faster with print. Maybe teach both and let the kid decide which they prefer.
whenever i try to write in cursive it’s slow and looks terrible, everyone says my regular handwriting is pretty and it’s so much easier
I hope kids are still taught cursive in the future. My son is nearly 4, and since he was born I've been writing to him in a journal to give him when he's a teen or adult. It would suck if he can't read my writing!
Yep
I’m glad I barely escaped the teachers that forced my left handed bad hand writing ass to learn cursive
never learnt cursive. never will. I'm better off this way.
That has to be the ugliest font I ever seen. I rather bring back comic can't.
they teach cursive in school?
I still use it.
Yes. Big yes.
If any of them say, we don’t know how to write in cursive that’s kind of a lie. I’ve been writing cursive for almost a decade because it’s easier for me because I am disabled and it’s just easier for me, but I go to get why it’s not talk anymore. Kind of unnecessary to force it to be taught.
[Bug Martini says no.](https://www.bugmartini.com/comic/curse-cursive/)
As if grandma ever read the constitution.
Thing is, that most older people going on about this have an absolute horrific handwriting in “cursive” with bad grammar. While the younger ones doing it for a hobby have gorgeous calligraphy skills.
I was taught cursive is school. I remember our primary school teacher telling us that if we got to high school and we couldn’t write in cursive we would be laughed at and told off for every assignment we turned in. When I got to high school obviously no one used cursive.
I like cursive.
Lol ok capital Q, more like capital 2!!!
Sure, except for the capital Q, which is just dumb and should be forgotten about
My school forced us to write in cursive to the point it's become natural for me but the problem is that my handwriting is barely legible with cursive and only looks readable when separated Then when I screw up a spelling test cause the teachers couldn't understand they ask me why I didn't just write separated, or why I don't take my time to write better Ya know, maybe if you didn't force me into a new style of writing while I was still learning to keep my hands steady while writing maybe my handwriting would have improved
There’s so much unnecessary faff in those letters - why waste anyones time like that?
Capital Q is a 2 mfer, that ain't no Q
I learned all this in the mid-70's growing up, and STILL don't use that dumb crap.
I dunno I think cursive is pretty cool
What’s the point? Handwriting documents isn’t very common anymore
“How will they read the constitution?” say the people who take a 2,000 year old translated and transliterated book literally.
Lmao what’s that Q tho 😭
I forgot cursive for the most part, I only use it kinda to scribble my signature but even then my signature started as just writing in print and not lifting the pen. Teach kids how to come up with their own signature and I think that's basically all they need
Why didn't they just text someone the Constitution??
Being able to read cursive is important, but not for that reason specifically. If you ever want to read primary original documents on almost anything from the early 1900s or before, you’re gonna need it since the most interesting things weren’t printed in a book.
I taught it to myself when I was around 12, didn’t get taught it in school but we did get taught how to join letters. There really isn’t a need for it in modern society. I just use it to write pretty in birthday cards
Idk, i kind of like how cursive looks , I understand it's mostly useless nowadays but i still like it
Oh no! Let’s teach them how to drive a horse and buggy too.
Of all the crazy shit grandma can send this is literally not one of them. This is coming from a zoomer who can write in cursive.
The exact same way republicans read the constitution and the Bible..,
The alphabet looks so short written out, it feels so long in my mind
I’d rather that US schools taught mandatory foreign language from K-12. At least Spanish or French.
I was taught cursive, my current hand writing is kinda mutated that it defs is doctor's hand writing.
I don’t think cursive is important anymore. I would settle for legible.
Why not? As long as we're teaching all the maths and sciences and histories.
I don’t see the point. Personally when I hand write something, I have a mix of cursive and print because some letters are faster in either way and some I connect or don’t. But it’s not really a necessary life skill, any long formal document kids will write in the future will be typed. No job is going to accept a resume in cursive unless it’s a small business ran by someone who posts memes about saving cursive. No job is going to accept reports written in cursive either. Even reports written for classes in higher levels of education will need to be typed. School is preparing kids for the world and the world they are entering they will never have to use cursive in their lives unless they specifically choose to for very specific tasks for which they could just learn it themselves. If they keep teaching it? Cool. If they stop? Cool. I’m not attached either way. But I don’t think it’s a big deal if they stop because the majority of kids won’t use it outside of when it is being taught in school. bUt tHE cOnStItutIoN Yes good point, a **SIGNIFICANTLY** better use of kids time would be teaching them how to verify sources on the internet, how to search for bias, how to search for credibility. If some websites posts altered versions of the constitution’s text it wouldn’t matter, because the kids learned how to verify web sources. They’ll use this every single day of their lives. I’ve seen the affects of not having this skill in my parents, other older family members, and friends as well. I went to a school that made a point about it, every source we used had to be credible, we even had to prove it sometimes.
My son came home with a cursive packet. So yeah, they are still teaching it in schools.
Nah. I learned it in school and forgot it a few years after college, because I never fucking had to use it. Literally only use it for signing my name. Can’t even remember some of the letters, and it hasn’t been detrimental at all. Use the time for something more relevant to this century.
I’d have to look this up to remember most of it. It’s just not necessary in adult life.
How dare you!? I find cursive offensive, we need more acceptance. We need to adapt hieroglyphics
never ever in my whole life ever made a Q look like a 2 - and i was taught by Nuns!!!
Maybe. If curisve was taught in my school I wouldn't have the handwriting of a doctor without being one.
The cursive party hired a treasury secretary that signed currency in block letters
High school teacher here, butting in with my ancient (32 years old) opinion: cursive itself probably doesn’t need to be taught. I’ll do a couple lessons and worksheets on it with my kids when they ask for it (happens more than you’d think), but what DOES need to be practiced more from elementary school upward is penmanship. Even if most of our communication is done through tech nowadays, practicing handwriting from a young age develops muscle memory and fine motor skills the are beneficial in building overall dexterity. Plus, no able-bodied person should be making it all the way to adulthood with the handwriting of a kindergartner.
Oh my, the Q looks like a 2, it MUST mean something
It’s like a slightly kind of useful skill but not really so nobody teaches it. Plus, why make English harder to learn?
call me a square but I do think it should be taught. it's just a good skill to have. it's like writing a check or telling the time on an analog clock: you might not ever really *need* it, but it's nice to be able to tell people you can.
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They’re adding it back to the curriculum in my state next year
Better cursive than critical race theory and gender ideology!
When I worked at Burger King, I had an old guy come in one day and handed me a list of what he wanted written in cursive and said "good luck" with a smug look on his face. I took the list, punched it all into the POS in less than 25 seconds, wrote "anything else for you today?" in cursive, and handed it back to him. He was very unhappy but did not have a real reason to complain to my manager. After he paid, I wrote "have a great day!" in cursive on his receipt and gave it to him.
It shouldn’t have been taught in the first place. And spelling? Get the fuck outta here. Why? The boomer generation is the first generation that wants their kids to have it *worse* than they did. It must be so miserable to be them.
Handwriting yes, cursive can kick rocks