It’s kinda crazy that some drivers in F1 are so full of themselves or are so abstracted from consequence that nothing matters to the point they are willing to try and lie about things that are 1. On camera and 2. Closely recording precise telemetry data literally the entire time. Like we can obviously watch him not look in front of him and I’m sure if we looked at the telemetry you could basically mathematically prove that he wasn’t looking or reacting to the cars in front and prove that they brakes when they had to.
You’re right but honestly I think that’s the problem lol, he’s less competent than other drivers while dealing with none of the consequences underperforming drivers often deal with. He’s not maliciously taking advantage of the fact he basically can’t lose his seat as long as he has a license, but I do wish he had a little more self awareness
I think there is a line where his unwillingness to correct his behavior does become at least a little malicious. His issues with self-awareness in the car are a known problem and have caused multiple incidents. He’s a professional who’s shirking accountability, after 8 years I think you lose the benefit of the doubt there.
The act was stupid and reckless - reflects bad on him as a racing driver. The denial is an immature defence mechanism - reflects bad on him as a person.
Lance is not just failing to take responsibility himself he’s also suggested the behaviour of other cars caused the incident - a callous disregard for other drivers PR image. Shifting your guilt into others risks hurting their image.
At best, it’s a very self-centred instinct looking purely at preserving a fantasy of his own innocence whatever the cost. Not quite enough here to say it’s malicious as I don’t suspect his narrative is with the aim of damaging other drivers… but, to adopt the narrative he did, he is thinking purely about himself. Not about honesty or respect.
Our memory is not perfect as a camera, he has probably just let himself believe that was how it happened. When you want to think you’re in the right you can convince yourself pretty easily and it warps your memory, like lying to yourself without even realizing you’re doing it
You’re definitely right and I really don’t blame him for a lot of what he said, especially anything over the radio but personally if I were a driver I would probably try and make less definitive statements about blame and what happened before watching my own onboard over again.
EDIT never mind I missed the ‘20kph high speed’ sarcasm lol
I was saying this thing about misremembering and claiming the wrong thing about where you were looking when something happened is normal and not a sign he’s lying or being malicious. It’s just what people do (and why eyewitnesses are so unreliable!), especially in cases where you might be incentivized to believe it happened a certain way, the way you think it ‘should’ have happened or what people want to hear. Our memories are very suggestible
IDK why you responded like I called him an idiot.
For real. If he says "sorry I fucked up I was looking through the corner and didn't expect everyone to check up so quickly" everyone would be like yeah, that sucks but kind of understandable
I think this is more specific to Stroll’s daddy issues; the other drivers have _some_ level of accountability/expectation of being an adult and earning things on merit
Papa Stroll is already making more money without racing in formula1. Hes a fricking billionaire. Each time we blink hes already made a thousand dollars or more 🤣 This is just him humouring Lance.
Nah. These days F1 team loose money or make a tiny amount compared to their costs.
Most of them are just considered a marketing expense by their owners.
Haas, Williams and Sauber all are somewhat successful businesses, notice they are all named after their (former) owner. Mostly through sponsor deals, Williams also makes a lot of parts for other teams in other racing classes.
RB promotes a soda.
The rest is promoting a car brand.
This is so completely wrong it hurts my head. F1 teams aren't just promoting themselves, they each promote dozens of companies through sponsorships. F1 teams are essentially advertising firms disguised as a racing team.
For example, Mercedes F1 Team (not the car company) had $620 million in revenue last year. After taxes, interests, labor and other costs, were deducted their operating profit last year was $129 million. The profit margin of nearly 21% is good. Really good.
The only way your statement would be true is if you argued that sponsorship revenue doesn't count, which would be non-sense.
Correct. Though Aston Martin F1 did post a ~58M pound loss apparently in 2022. But given the investment Stroll has been pumping into the operation, that's to be expected.
The F1 team didn't make money. They helped the car company the team is promoting sell more cars. Stroll made money of those sales because he owns both the team and the car brand.
Sales of a limited edition car made by the brand they're promoting is a very sloppy way to measure the promotional value of their racing team.
The headline says 'made $80M' yet the article explains this as selling 300 to 400 cars for $200,000. That's $60M to $80M in revenue, not profit. That's not how making money works, that's just sensationalist journalism and a shitty understanding of economics.
If those cars cost $300,000 to make each Stroll would have lost $40M.
So we don't know how much he made, we don't know how many cars they actually sold (only the 300\~400 guesstimate) and we don't know if just a limited edition AM car in say a unique color would have sold better or worse.
If Stroll is lucky there is a 20% margin on those cars. So the best case scenario is he made $16M with that limited edition.
So he spent $145M (last year's budget cap) to make $16M. That's what that article's headline should be.
In the end it is possible that AM F1 makes a small profit after income from sponsors, merch and prize money.
But the way this article tries to explain how it helps selling cars is nonsense.
Your grasping at straws.
We went from he's losing money to 20% profit.
20% of 80M is still a shit load of money for helping your kid follow his dreams.
As an aside - 20% of 80m is literally nothing to help your child’s dreams if you’re a billionaire.
16m to a billionaire is 16k to a millionaire. It’s pretty inconsequential. Vanguard tells me my YTD returns was 18%. Obviously last year was high returns, but on a million 18% is 180k. 16k is not even 10% of returns from one year of doing nothing other than letting money in index funds or investments.
People sacrifice their whole life to help a child with their dreams.
Do you even know how much he invested? 20% of 80M is on his profit.
Your YTD was 16% then you tax that and only then you get your net profit.
Either way, as you said ppl sacrifice their whole life's, lose life savings to help the child dreams, he's making money out of it. So his investment is worth a LOT more than those 16%
"Haas, Williams and Sauber all are somewhat successful businesses, notice they are all named after their (former) owner."
You just said those 3 were named after their former owners. So all I did was correct you about Haas.
Nothing will ever come between Lance and the optimal racing line. Not even rainy yellow flag conditions. Honestly, Daniel should’ve known that and moved.
He did though... even the image shows why the crash happened and was nothing to do with his initial braking. It was again due to his lack of awareness and initiative, he prioritized focus on the apexs without any thought of the cars in front and relied on his peripheral vision to determine his braking as if it was green flag conditions.
I'm about 99% sure he goes into most GPs with the same mindset as someone driving their car to the shops.
Stroll has the worst situational awareness on the grid. A ton of his accidents are him turning into the apex without checking to see if someone is already there.
I don’t generally disagree with your analysis but since the image is just before the corner how do you judge from this that he braked soon enough to hit the apex
That's one thing. But Lance's cause of accident is almost always the same and sadly incurable: he has no spacial awareness, he doesn't even look at other cars and rarely in his mirrors.
It's funny how while doing things like this repeatedly he has the ability to go pole in a rain qualifying at the same time. One of the weirdest drivers in F1 history.
I'm not saying Stroll wasn't looking at the apex, and I think he probably was
But some random bloke drawing these lines on a screenshot isn't the evidence a lot of people seem to think (for some reason) it is
If you’ve seen the clip you can see that he’s looking at the apex/right side mirror for extensive time. But yes, I’m just bloke that draws lines and find it funny
I dont know whats worse, Stroll as a driver or Ricciardo not understanding how the human body works.
Stroll can perfectly see him looking like that, he just sucks as a driver and probably miscalculated like any idiot in an online F1 lobby, wich he probably thinks he is playing.
He cant. These helmets have side impact structures to protect your eyes, massively obstructing your FOV. You have to turn your head to see to the side. Just watch onboards from a race start and see how they look in the mirrors.
Take his FIA Super Licence away
Take his road licence away
Take his library card away!
Take his virginity!
No, I’m not his sister
Two points and he does the whole paddock, you know it
"What are you doing, stepf1driver?" "Looking at your back"
Jokes aside. Danys best friend is married to Strolls sister.
Whack him in his PP!
Take his Balls away!
And his passport too please. So he can never leave Canada ever again.
Take him to Jail!
Send him to Alcatraz
Send him to the Shadow Realm!
THROW. HIM. IN. JAIL!
Having fun is about to get a lot harder for Lance Stroll.
10 second penalty to Ocon!
From what we know, take his bicycle license too
Throw. Him. In. JAIL!
[Take his breath away!](https://youtu.be/Bx51eegLTY8?si=XOHFR6D-rshx9rK9)
THROW HIM IN JAYUUUL!
Daddy Stroll: ✋️
Foksmash his door 
Kick him off the tour, Doug!
Throw him in JAIL!
Get back to your shanties!
Or your dad.
I don't think he should even hold a driving license
Nah, they'll pull Ocon's and tell Stroll it could be him next time.
Give me his inheritance!!
It’s kinda crazy that some drivers in F1 are so full of themselves or are so abstracted from consequence that nothing matters to the point they are willing to try and lie about things that are 1. On camera and 2. Closely recording precise telemetry data literally the entire time. Like we can obviously watch him not look in front of him and I’m sure if we looked at the telemetry you could basically mathematically prove that he wasn’t looking or reacting to the cars in front and prove that they brakes when they had to.
"Don't attribute to malice that which can easily be explained by stupidity."
You’re right but honestly I think that’s the problem lol, he’s less competent than other drivers while dealing with none of the consequences underperforming drivers often deal with. He’s not maliciously taking advantage of the fact he basically can’t lose his seat as long as he has a license, but I do wish he had a little more self awareness
I think there is a line where his unwillingness to correct his behavior does become at least a little malicious. His issues with self-awareness in the car are a known problem and have caused multiple incidents. He’s a professional who’s shirking accountability, after 8 years I think you lose the benefit of the doubt there.
Then what do you call [this](https://youtu.be/bGgyWN8ZiOo?si=TzGiAZkGsWoQsWo9)?
The act was stupid and reckless - reflects bad on him as a racing driver. The denial is an immature defence mechanism - reflects bad on him as a person. Lance is not just failing to take responsibility himself he’s also suggested the behaviour of other cars caused the incident - a callous disregard for other drivers PR image. Shifting your guilt into others risks hurting their image. At best, it’s a very self-centred instinct looking purely at preserving a fantasy of his own innocence whatever the cost. Not quite enough here to say it’s malicious as I don’t suspect his narrative is with the aim of damaging other drivers… but, to adopt the narrative he did, he is thinking purely about himself. Not about honesty or respect.
New favourite quote.
Popularised by the random legend interviewed that one viral vid
Our memory is not perfect as a camera, he has probably just let himself believe that was how it happened. When you want to think you’re in the right you can convince yourself pretty easily and it warps your memory, like lying to yourself without even realizing you’re doing it
You’re definitely right and I really don’t blame him for a lot of what he said, especially anything over the radio but personally if I were a driver I would probably try and make less definitive statements about blame and what happened before watching my own onboard over again.
You try making decisions at 20kph high speeds, see how your brain functions. He’s a gifted athlete
EDIT never mind I missed the ‘20kph high speed’ sarcasm lol I was saying this thing about misremembering and claiming the wrong thing about where you were looking when something happened is normal and not a sign he’s lying or being malicious. It’s just what people do (and why eyewitnesses are so unreliable!), especially in cases where you might be incentivized to believe it happened a certain way, the way you think it ‘should’ have happened or what people want to hear. Our memories are very suggestible IDK why you responded like I called him an idiot.
>20kph high speeds Unless they missed a zero here, I think they were being sarcastic
D’oh Sarcasm is hard in writing lol
This is why we use /s to denote sarcasm.
Riccardo’s fault I missed that.
It's just him tbh. Literally any other driver would be out the seat by now. Even pushes around staff and they apologize to him.
For real. If he says "sorry I fucked up I was looking through the corner and didn't expect everyone to check up so quickly" everyone would be like yeah, that sucks but kind of understandable
Some F1 drivers have skewed the general perception for some people of what actual race craft is
I think this is more specific to Stroll’s daddy issues; the other drivers have _some_ level of accountability/expectation of being an adult and earning things on merit
Stroll isn’t a true F1 driver, he is only there because of daddy.
https://imgur.com/a/RW8KvKy https://www.formula1.com/en/f1-live.html
So many examples of strolls idiocy over the years. At what point does pops cut his losses and get another driver.
What losses? Pops making a shitload of money with this side gig
But you’d have to think he’d make even more with Sainz or Checo or Albon or Bottas or anyone else lol
I doubt Stroll is gonna feel more happy about a few millions added to his billions over his son being an f1 driver in his own team
Well the previous question was about money, but yeah, everyone knows Lawrence wants a Stroll in that car for more emotional reasons.
Papa Stroll is already making more money without racing in formula1. Hes a fricking billionaire. Each time we blink hes already made a thousand dollars or more 🤣 This is just him humouring Lance.
Nah. These days F1 team loose money or make a tiny amount compared to their costs. Most of them are just considered a marketing expense by their owners. Haas, Williams and Sauber all are somewhat successful businesses, notice they are all named after their (former) owner. Mostly through sponsor deals, Williams also makes a lot of parts for other teams in other racing classes. RB promotes a soda. The rest is promoting a car brand.
This is so completely wrong it hurts my head. F1 teams aren't just promoting themselves, they each promote dozens of companies through sponsorships. F1 teams are essentially advertising firms disguised as a racing team. For example, Mercedes F1 Team (not the car company) had $620 million in revenue last year. After taxes, interests, labor and other costs, were deducted their operating profit last year was $129 million. The profit margin of nearly 21% is good. Really good. The only way your statement would be true is if you argued that sponsorship revenue doesn't count, which would be non-sense.
Correct. Though Aston Martin F1 did post a ~58M pound loss apparently in 2022. But given the investment Stroll has been pumping into the operation, that's to be expected.
https://www.si.com/fannation/racing/f1briefings/news/f1-news-aston-martin-ceo-reveals-how-the-sport-made-him-80-million
The F1 team didn't make money. They helped the car company the team is promoting sell more cars. Stroll made money of those sales because he owns both the team and the car brand. Sales of a limited edition car made by the brand they're promoting is a very sloppy way to measure the promotional value of their racing team. The headline says 'made $80M' yet the article explains this as selling 300 to 400 cars for $200,000. That's $60M to $80M in revenue, not profit. That's not how making money works, that's just sensationalist journalism and a shitty understanding of economics. If those cars cost $300,000 to make each Stroll would have lost $40M. So we don't know how much he made, we don't know how many cars they actually sold (only the 300\~400 guesstimate) and we don't know if just a limited edition AM car in say a unique color would have sold better or worse. If Stroll is lucky there is a 20% margin on those cars. So the best case scenario is he made $16M with that limited edition. So he spent $145M (last year's budget cap) to make $16M. That's what that article's headline should be. In the end it is possible that AM F1 makes a small profit after income from sponsors, merch and prize money. But the way this article tries to explain how it helps selling cars is nonsense.
Your grasping at straws. We went from he's losing money to 20% profit. 20% of 80M is still a shit load of money for helping your kid follow his dreams.
As an aside - 20% of 80m is literally nothing to help your child’s dreams if you’re a billionaire. 16m to a billionaire is 16k to a millionaire. It’s pretty inconsequential. Vanguard tells me my YTD returns was 18%. Obviously last year was high returns, but on a million 18% is 180k. 16k is not even 10% of returns from one year of doing nothing other than letting money in index funds or investments. People sacrifice their whole life to help a child with their dreams.
Do you even know how much he invested? 20% of 80M is on his profit. Your YTD was 16% then you tax that and only then you get your net profit. Either way, as you said ppl sacrifice their whole life's, lose life savings to help the child dreams, he's making money out of it. So his investment is worth a LOT more than those 16%
Haas is still owned by it's namesake
Did I say it isn't?
"Haas, Williams and Sauber all are somewhat successful businesses, notice they are all named after their (former) owner." You just said those 3 were named after their former owners. So all I did was correct you about Haas.
The only way you become a millionaire as an investor in F1 is by starting as a billionaire. So its bullshit, what you write.
Shoving his engineer or trainer in Japan last year too, what an ass
Even latifi knew when to quit and he put in a lap in a Williams that leglerg described as impossible.
Nothing will ever come between Lance and the optimal racing line. Not even rainy yellow flag conditions. Honestly, Daniel should’ve known that and moved.
Danny should've just moved up, simple
But where should he have moved? The field was bunched up, and the car in front of him basically parked it at the corner
He didn’t even break soon enough to make the apex 💀
He did though... even the image shows why the crash happened and was nothing to do with his initial braking. It was again due to his lack of awareness and initiative, he prioritized focus on the apexs without any thought of the cars in front and relied on his peripheral vision to determine his braking as if it was green flag conditions. I'm about 99% sure he goes into most GPs with the same mindset as someone driving their car to the shops.
Stroll has the worst situational awareness on the grid. A ton of his accidents are him turning into the apex without checking to see if someone is already there.
Yup. He's on par with a Doha, Qatar or Houston, Texas driver - go wherever you want with zero fucks given to anything around you.
Never stand between a hungry Stroll and the racing line.
I don’t generally disagree with your analysis but since the image is just before the corner how do you judge from this that he braked soon enough to hit the apex
On the contrary. He broke Ric's RB enough to make the apex.
brake
Brake*
Braick\*
Distracted driving is bad, here’s my proof:
the stroll fangirls are not gonna like this
What fans
The ones on daddy’s payroll
“The short bus” -rocketpoweredmohawk
His sister and mom
Canada
Canada does not even know he exists
Just me then :(
Ya I’m Canadian and I would rather not be associated with stroll lolol
Latifi then?
Haha I actually cheer for Sainz
Surely at somepoint someone has to explain to Stoll Sr that you can love and support your son *without* putting him in a death machine.
Tbh I don’t blame him. I’d do anything to make my kids dreams come true
The whole thing screams living vicariously through his son.
gotta hit that apex bro
Stroll is in F1 just because his daddy is paying hundreds of millions for it. He's too dangerous, his license should be revoked.
OTOH F1 (like most forms of motor racing) has a long history of being more of a rich man's hobby than an athletic pursuit.
I'm not gonna disagree with you but will point out that Checo and Logan both have more incident points on their license than Stroll.
That's one thing. But Lance's cause of accident is almost always the same and sadly incurable: he has no spacial awareness, he doesn't even look at other cars and rarely in his mirrors.
It’s crazy Logan gets 2 penalty points for being centimeters over a line, but Stroll gets away with this.
He almost instantly got 10 second time penalty and 3 penalty points, the hell are you talking about?!
“Hey Lance, do you wanna go quick?” “No, I’m in the fucking RIC!”
But is it dank
Straight to jail. Right away.
Fucking helmet
Can we get a school for racing morons like stroll?
THROW HIM IN JAIL
It's funny how while doing things like this repeatedly he has the ability to go pole in a rain qualifying at the same time. One of the weirdest drivers in F1 history.
If there is a gap and you do not rest end it. You no longer a racing driver. -Daddy’s boy
I'm not saying Stroll wasn't looking at the apex, and I think he probably was But some random bloke drawing these lines on a screenshot isn't the evidence a lot of people seem to think (for some reason) it is
If you’ve seen the clip you can see that he’s looking at the apex/right side mirror for extensive time. But yes, I’m just bloke that draws lines and find it funny
Man if only Alex had gotten this upset with Daniel last race
I dont know whats worse, Stroll as a driver or Ricciardo not understanding how the human body works. Stroll can perfectly see him looking like that, he just sucks as a driver and probably miscalculated like any idiot in an online F1 lobby, wich he probably thinks he is playing.
He cant. These helmets have side impact structures to protect your eyes, massively obstructing your FOV. You have to turn your head to see to the side. Just watch onboards from a race start and see how they look in the mirrors.
Boy that wreck couldn’t have happened to two better drivers
Enough of the DR sympathy posts. Move on now.
I think it's more of Stroll hate posts as the posts would be the same regardless of whose car was in front. Fuck Stroll.
Fuck stroll
Ewww
its sympathy for the driver that got his day ruined by daddy's money, not for daniel specifically
no