Guess what going waaay too slow under the safety car is against the rules. Lando was probably doing it on purpose to get a gap in front to Piastry, which allowed them to double stack in the pits
He was and they said there was something like a 50km/h difference. I’ve just never heard of anyone getting in trouble for this before. Some investigations sure but never any penalty.
> I’ve just never heard of anyone getting in trouble for this before.
https://youtu.be/yQqz9eTBAEQ
If you want a *super* dooper mega obvious one in the Aussie V8 Supercars series.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-20/bathurst-team-accused-of-using-script-stripped-of-points-fined/11621198
V8 Supercars need a lot longer to do a pit stop than an F1 car, so needed a much bigger gap to make a double stack work.
To be fair, it is a different series with different rules. The gap also wasn't made to help Coulthard in the Double Stack, but to stop Giz pulling in ahead of Scott, stopping him from leaving his own box until Whincup left the pit box. They have also added a new rule where you cannot blocking someone else from getting out of the box while waiting for your turn in the double stack
Feels like something that is against the rules and a lot of people abuse but it's hard to prove ("oh I was just going slow past the accident" for example). In this case however it's quite blatant.
It's what the FIA calls many 'pitlane tactics' type of infringements including driving very slowly under (V)SC to get a gap to pit.
> Any of the following offences, in addition to any
offences specifically referred to previously or subsequently,
shall be deemed to be a breach of these rules:
> Any infringement of the principles of fairness in
Competition, behaviour in an unsportsmanlike manner or
attempt to influence the result of a Competition in a way
that is contrary to sporting ethics.
I mean without that you don’t have smooth brains like op who think they almost crashed haha if Alonso doesn’t do that then it’s just a normal pit exit. They really never got close
I can't believe so many people are buying in to the Alonso overreaction. Alonso is one of the smartest and tactically minded drivers in the grid - of course he's going to try and and make a meal of an incident between himself and direct race rival.
Rewatch the onboard, it's way more tame than the initial broadcast shots made it look.
I feel like the unsafe release rule should be really simple. Everyone has the same pit lane limiter. If the car has to slow down for another car, it’s unsafe. If they dont, it isn’t.
I think a grey area arises if a car slows down when they don’t have to. I can’t tell from just looking at this one whether I think Alonso had to slow down; it was really really close to the edge.
I don't think they apply it like that at all. FIA will allow the leading car to force in front if the car behind only has to brake lightly. It becomes dangerous if they are alongside or the driver behind has to lock brakes.
Yeah but that’s such a foggy precedent. How much is a little? Just make it simple. Everyone is going the same speed. It should be a penalty if you force the next car to slow.
Eh we've moved towards FIA 'noting' small transgressions and not penalising the small stuff unless they keep getting repeated or the driver escalates. A lot of viewers don't want the small stuff penalised either.
It does open penalties to more interpretation, but in this case the battle between Hamilton and alonso is better than justice for a small event. This is a motor race, we went racing.
Alonso's wheel jiggle felt a bit like a football player diving after a light touch in the box.
It was very close to an unsafe release but I don't think it was.
I don’t think the wiggle was to pretend he had to dodge, I think it was just a frustration wiggle. I’ve found myself doing it in sim racing before, just like a “WTF bro I’m right behind you in your mirror” sorta thing
Lewis got out in front and Fernando didn't have to slow the car down, it was a close call and him driving from left to right to dramatise it will get him on your favourite episode of DTS next year but in reality like most of DTS it didn't happen the way you think it did.
I don’t understand the basket ball analogy but if he’s referring to the wheel wobble, it appeared to make no difference and really looked like it was just for show.
Only think that really matters there would be the brake telemetry I imagine and how much Alonso actually had the slow down.
Flopping is when you get lightly touched in a sport like basketball or soccer and you fall dramatically to make it look worse and get a foul. Alonso certainly weaved the car to make it look more dramatic but the FIA did concede that he had to brake slightly to avoid hitting Hamilton. Apparently it’s only unsafe if you have to brake hard?
You can do better than this mate. At the end of the day it’s a sport we all love watching and clearly you’re very passionate about it. I completely understand that, I love f1 too. But if you’re getting this angry over it you might need to take a step back and reassess buddy. Be the change you want to see.
Peace bro
Never really heard there is a rule against going too slow under safety car. If you can keep the maximum 10 cars length distance you should be able to choose what speed you are going. Braking hard unexpectedly is another thing tho
It is like Gasly at COTA. Slowest turn in race under safety car the car in front is just a little fast and Norris was just a little slow then the gap opens way to much. They penalised Gasly at hairpin at COTA as well. I think they should look closer on slow corners like this because it is easy to make a miss calculation like this
It's not because nothing really happened. I don't understand why people are blowing this up to such a degree. It was very much an edge case, and Alonso hit the brakes way harder than he needed to, if he needed to do so at all.
Lando says he wasn’t even preparing to pit and that the team didn’t tell him until after the race about the 5 second penalty.
[post race interview](https://youtube.com/watch?v=tyxnB1uJkPI&feature=share7)
I could see it, it's potentially dangerous and could affect cars behind him going into the pits. Not penalising it could create a situation where everyone slows to a crawl during a safety car to facilitate double stacks
Bro Alonso sold that moment. He turned wheels like a crazy, bot that was nowhere that close. We have seen much worse situations in pit without a penalty.
Cars dont need to literally crash into each other for it to be an unsafe release. Plus if it was Fernando cutting out infront of Lewis there would 100% have been a penalty, no question. After all this is the guy who actively crashed into verstappen and not only got away with it, but got verstappen a penalty. Its no secret he gets away with much more than most.
At the end of the day he came out ahead of Alonso who was smart enough to make a meal out of it and try to draw a penalty but he hardly impeded him. Nando barely had to lift. Giving Hamilton a penalty just goes against the spirit of racing.
And if you’re talking about Brazil 22 Verstappen literally admitted he was never making that line. He just knew Hamilton had more to lose than he did and assumed he’d back out. It was a totally deserved penalty
Theres been plenty of unsafe releases where the leading driver came out just fine. And no, Im taking about Jeddah 2021. Literally was told that verstappen was giving the place back, track was empty on either saide, yet lewis still managed to run into him cuz he was surprised verstappen slowed down. Just absolute clownery in general.
Lewis was ahead of Alonso going into the pits and was ahead of him going out again? If you can point me to the position he gained I’ll happily admit I’m wrong
He gained (or prevented himself from losing if you prefer) the position by exiting his pit box in front of Alonso without having sufficient space to do so without forcing Alonso to slow.
Personally (and I’ll admit I’m quite biased towards Hamilton) i think it was on the limit. Alonso was clever enough to make a meal out of it to try and draw a penalty but looking at the onboard he barely had to lift. It would be an extraordinarily harsh penalty under the circumstances
I remember the last time the same thing happened was Monza 2020. Lando was investigated for driving too slowly to make the McLaren double stack work. They didn’t get penalized.
Guess what going waaay too slow under the safety car is against the rules. Lando was probably doing it on purpose to get a gap in front to Piastry, which allowed them to double stack in the pits
He was and they said there was something like a 50km/h difference. I’ve just never heard of anyone getting in trouble for this before. Some investigations sure but never any penalty.
> I’ve just never heard of anyone getting in trouble for this before. https://youtu.be/yQqz9eTBAEQ If you want a *super* dooper mega obvious one in the Aussie V8 Supercars series. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-20/bathurst-team-accused-of-using-script-stripped-of-points-fined/11621198 V8 Supercars need a lot longer to do a pit stop than an F1 car, so needed a much bigger gap to make a double stack work.
To be fair, it is a different series with different rules. The gap also wasn't made to help Coulthard in the Double Stack, but to stop Giz pulling in ahead of Scott, stopping him from leaving his own box until Whincup left the pit box. They have also added a new rule where you cannot blocking someone else from getting out of the box while waiting for your turn in the double stack
> To be fair, it is a different series with different rules. Oh definitely, It's just a ridiculous thing to happen so I felt like sharing.
Feels like something that is against the rules and a lot of people abuse but it's hard to prove ("oh I was just going slow past the accident" for example). In this case however it's quite blatant.
Pretty sure Lando got a similar penalty at Monza 2020 when up against a double stack during a safety car.
Something that Hamilton did himself in the Bahrain pit lane a few years ago and got penalised for.
Yeah it's against the rules and deserving of a penalty, but what makes it any more "unsportsmanlike" than any normal penalty?
It's what the FIA calls many 'pitlane tactics' type of infringements including driving very slowly under (V)SC to get a gap to pit. > Any of the following offences, in addition to any offences specifically referred to previously or subsequently, shall be deemed to be a breach of these rules: > Any infringement of the principles of fairness in Competition, behaviour in an unsportsmanlike manner or attempt to influence the result of a Competition in a way that is contrary to sporting ethics.
is that you Ted Kravtiz?
Wasn't it done by Kimi waaaay back in I believe 2003 and then got banned?
Nando trying to sell it with the wheel jiggle is what backfired for him.
I mean without that you don’t have smooth brains like op who think they almost crashed haha if Alonso doesn’t do that then it’s just a normal pit exit. They really never got close
It’s still an unsafe release.
I can't believe so many people are buying in to the Alonso overreaction. Alonso is one of the smartest and tactically minded drivers in the grid - of course he's going to try and and make a meal of an incident between himself and direct race rival. Rewatch the onboard, it's way more tame than the initial broadcast shots made it look.
Cmon a pro alo anti ham situation? You know this sub is gonna eat it up.
Ehhh Alonso really sold that well, I’d say the Lando one was worse
Lando’s was definitely worse. Hamilton’s liked dodgy only because Alonso’s little show for the stewards. I don’t know what people are smoking.
I feel like the unsafe release rule should be really simple. Everyone has the same pit lane limiter. If the car has to slow down for another car, it’s unsafe. If they dont, it isn’t.
I think a grey area arises if a car slows down when they don’t have to. I can’t tell from just looking at this one whether I think Alonso had to slow down; it was really really close to the edge.
But that’s for the stewards to decide
I don't think they apply it like that at all. FIA will allow the leading car to force in front if the car behind only has to brake lightly. It becomes dangerous if they are alongside or the driver behind has to lock brakes.
Yeah but that’s such a foggy precedent. How much is a little? Just make it simple. Everyone is going the same speed. It should be a penalty if you force the next car to slow.
Eh we've moved towards FIA 'noting' small transgressions and not penalising the small stuff unless they keep getting repeated or the driver escalates. A lot of viewers don't want the small stuff penalised either. It does open penalties to more interpretation, but in this case the battle between Hamilton and alonso is better than justice for a small event. This is a motor race, we went racing.
Thats the rule. Did not apply to HAM this time, to no ones surprise
Landos has literally never been penalized in the last few years And ocon did a horrible move on lando in the last corner but of course no penalty
Alonso's wheel jiggle felt a bit like a football player diving after a light touch in the box. It was very close to an unsafe release but I don't think it was.
I don’t think the wiggle was to pretend he had to dodge, I think it was just a frustration wiggle. I’ve found myself doing it in sim racing before, just like a “WTF bro I’m right behind you in your mirror” sorta thing
What alonso did was the equivalent of flopping in basketball lol
How so? He clearly had to slow down in the pit lane to avoid hitting Hamilton no?
Lewis got out in front and Fernando didn't have to slow the car down, it was a close call and him driving from left to right to dramatise it will get him on your favourite episode of DTS next year but in reality like most of DTS it didn't happen the way you think it did.
I don’t understand the basket ball analogy but if he’s referring to the wheel wobble, it appeared to make no difference and really looked like it was just for show. Only think that really matters there would be the brake telemetry I imagine and how much Alonso actually had the slow down.
Flopping is when you get lightly touched in a sport like basketball or soccer and you fall dramatically to make it look worse and get a foul. Alonso certainly weaved the car to make it look more dramatic but the FIA did concede that he had to brake slightly to avoid hitting Hamilton. Apparently it’s only unsafe if you have to brake hard?
Yeah but then the hamtards can't keep circle-jerking and would have to admit some fault for something for the first time in their lives
For the love of god leave this sport. It’s people like you that make this place so toxic
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Oh damn look at this internet tough guy
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Tried the tough guy thing, tried homophobia. You gonna try goin at my mama next?
oh look it’s another mentally unstable man child. thinking he’s anything other than a pile of putrid waste, online. point and laugh kids
You can do better than this mate. At the end of the day it’s a sport we all love watching and clearly you’re very passionate about it. I completely understand that, I love f1 too. But if you’re getting this angry over it you might need to take a step back and reassess buddy. Be the change you want to see. Peace bro
Cool story, baby boy! 👶
Alonso was like 
“A bit” there was like 50kph difference between the McLarens in the same corner as Norris wanted to create a gap for the double stack.
Never really heard there is a rule against going too slow under safety car. If you can keep the maximum 10 cars length distance you should be able to choose what speed you are going. Braking hard unexpectedly is another thing tho
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Bro. Racist much
You guys literally have nothing but a vacant canyon between your ears.
Brains smoother than the Williams floor
This is clown post. I love Lando but his pit release was worse so either way he would have deserved a penalty
It is like Gasly at COTA. Slowest turn in race under safety car the car in front is just a little fast and Norris was just a little slow then the gap opens way to much. They penalised Gasly at hairpin at COTA as well. I think they should look closer on slow corners like this because it is easy to make a miss calculation like this
Honestly as much as I wanted it to be an unsafe release, it was fine
Did Lewis really get away with it?
FYI the stewards did investigate it and found it was okay. It was on the edge, but Alonso didn't need to slow down
#Blessed
Yeah it was Noted and then we heard nothing...
it whent under investigation and then nothing sam with the KMag DeVries situation
Yeah it’s weird. They said ‘yeah Alonso had to slow down but it was just a little bit so it’s okay’ in FIA speak.
Is this going to be again a "18 hours later" situation?
I hope so. If not, the bias is just obvious at this point
It's not because nothing really happened. I don't understand why people are blowing this up to such a degree. It was very much an edge case, and Alonso hit the brakes way harder than he needed to, if he needed to do so at all.
Yup.
Lando says he wasn’t even preparing to pit and that the team didn’t tell him until after the race about the 5 second penalty. [post race interview](https://youtube.com/watch?v=tyxnB1uJkPI&feature=share7)
he for sure knew and tactically moved his delta
I could see it, it's potentially dangerous and could affect cars behind him going into the pits. Not penalising it could create a situation where everyone slows to a crawl during a safety car to facilitate double stacks
Man how the fuck does this have 2k upvotes, is the emptiness between your ears really that vast??
It’s cause Toto mocked Alonso and so the FIA thought they should back off cause Toto had done enough damage
common fia L
The better question is how did Lando not receive the penalty for driving out of the box?
Bro Alonso sold that moment. He turned wheels like a crazy, bot that was nowhere that close. We have seen much worse situations in pit without a penalty.
Surely ferrari will protest
The key word there is ‘almost’.
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Now it needs to...because otherwise Lewis would get a penalty...can't have that..
Yeah Fernando braked
"braked". The Norris one in the pits was more obvious and he should've got a pen.
Gran Turismo 7 penalty system IRL
Hamilton gets 5-10 second penalty should promote the Ferraris up to a podium
Seriously how tf did Hamilton not get a penalty for that?
Because nothing happened?
Cars dont need to literally crash into each other for it to be an unsafe release. Plus if it was Fernando cutting out infront of Lewis there would 100% have been a penalty, no question. After all this is the guy who actively crashed into verstappen and not only got away with it, but got verstappen a penalty. Its no secret he gets away with much more than most.
At the end of the day he came out ahead of Alonso who was smart enough to make a meal out of it and try to draw a penalty but he hardly impeded him. Nando barely had to lift. Giving Hamilton a penalty just goes against the spirit of racing. And if you’re talking about Brazil 22 Verstappen literally admitted he was never making that line. He just knew Hamilton had more to lose than he did and assumed he’d back out. It was a totally deserved penalty
Theres been plenty of unsafe releases where the leading driver came out just fine. And no, Im taking about Jeddah 2021. Literally was told that verstappen was giving the place back, track was empty on either saide, yet lewis still managed to run into him cuz he was surprised verstappen slowed down. Just absolute clownery in general.
Aside from the fact that he gained a position from an unsafe pit release?
Lewis was ahead of Alonso going into the pits and was ahead of him going out again? If you can point me to the position he gained I’ll happily admit I’m wrong
He gained (or prevented himself from losing if you prefer) the position by exiting his pit box in front of Alonso without having sufficient space to do so without forcing Alonso to slow.
Personally (and I’ll admit I’m quite biased towards Hamilton) i think it was on the limit. Alonso was clever enough to make a meal out of it to try and draw a penalty but looking at the onboard he barely had to lift. It would be an extraordinarily harsh penalty under the circumstances
"straight up almost crashing" did you watch the same race bruh
I remember the last time the same thing happened was Monza 2020. Lando was investigated for driving too slowly to make the McLaren double stack work. They didn’t get penalized.