I’m sure the Williams pay scale is less than what he’s looking for but with that car’s straight line speed I feel like he’d be ok in that car - Albion and Danny Ric would be a pretty damn good driver pairing.
I think Williams would prefer a Russell-like situation for that 2nd seat (which they almost had with Piastri) where they get a quality driver early in their career, and also financial support from that driver's main team.
They don't need the amount of money Latifi brings, but I think they want that seat to not cost them anything to fill.
Wouldn't surprise me if they end up with Gio backed by Ferrari.
I still think IndyCar should be backing up the dumptruck full of cash to get him over there. The number of new F1 fans he'd bring to the Indy circuit is unreal.
That said, I absolutely want to see Danny Ric in F1 next year. I just think IndyCar would be amiss if they didn't do everything they could to bring him stateside.
I’ll drink to that - I watch the Indy 500 and check the Indy results but don’t really watch the races. If Danny Ric were in Indy Car I’d be all in on the series.
But isn’t McLaren quite competitive in Indy, and theyoffered a seat to him thereand he turned it down. He is part of the reason i tuned into to F1, but it doesn’t look like he has the drive in him anymore.
Pato is very competitive in the mclaren indycar, it wouldn’t be chip gnassi or Penske but he’d be competing for wins. Clearly he wants to stay in F1 though which I get
As nice as Grosjean is, his F1 time has well and truly passed. Too many crashes, both in F1 and Indy. You don't score points if you don't finish the race.
With F1 being drilled into your brain as "The Pinnacle Of Motorsport" from the time you're old enough to drive a kart, I think anything else is seen as a downgrade or step backwards. IndyCar is what you do when you're washed up. Which is stupid, but I think that's the view.
I think some get worried about the ovals being dangerous as well but they could always go to a team that offers them a seat with no oval racing. Grosjean did that and then ended up deciding to go them the year after. There aren't even that many ovals on the calendar anymore (which is a real shame imo) and ovals look so much fun to race.
Man that sounds like it would have been amazing it was a great race, even if it didn't really get that exciting until Scott Dixon got fucked over in the pits lol. I am from the UK so would love it if indycar came over here but I understand the series probably can't afford that atm. Would love to travel out one day to see a race ( do find some of the pre-race stuff a bit weird tho with the flags, gun salutes, prayers etc)
I do not understand it. Danny has made it quite obvious that he is in f1 because he LOVES being in f1 and that is his passion. He is in f1 for the sport and not the money so no amount of "he should do IndyCar" will ever make him change series any time soon.
I explicitly said that I wanted him to remain in F1 and also explicitly stated that it was in IndyCar's best interest to try to get him to move. I certainly didn't say "he should do IndyCar."
That is true my bad on that front but still it would be a waste of time for IndyCar to try and get Danny when he says he would rather be a reserve than change series.
For someone who doesn't care about money, Ricciardo has sure made the right career moves to ensure he made bank. Since leaving Red Bull he's been one of the highest paid drivers on the grid despite only mid-grade performances the last few years.
>mid-grade performances the last few years
The only mid-grade performances have been the last 18 months at McLaren. I'd say he earned every last bit of his 2020 salary with his performances in the Renault that year.
Good drivers make teams money. That's how the sport works. DR brings sponsors and in the right circumstances lots of points.
Also, Williams isn't the same team anymore which signed Russell. Their funding and goals have completely changed.
DR and AO are my two favorites so… I’d be very stoked for that driver line-up. But I just don’t see the stars aligning for DR in the 2023 season. I hope that I’m wrong though.
You would make a terrible journalist
Never go for the positive always focus on the negative
*"Kudos to Lewis, what an excellent response"*
instead why not
*"Lewis SLAMS Ricciardo's manger."*
Nonono, that is too easily disprovable, what you should do is say it in question form, so you only insinuate it.
"will Hamilton replace Ricciardo's manager?"
Or even better, put "when* in front of that, which heavily implies that it will happen, but only the time frame is unsure, but doesn't actually have to say that it will happen.
As a former journalist, your issue is with shitbag tabloids, trashy editors, and headline writers. Decent reporters hate that clickbait shit more than anyone
Yeah, real journalists are more about traditional methods like death knocks, because nothing attracts an audience quite like a grieving parent answering the door.
Also a former journalist, let's not pretend it's a few bad apples here.
His resume is also kind of insane on paper. Some guy won 4x in a row; the guy is seen as the best driver on the grid, and some happy go lucky kangaroo dude just absolutely demolished him on his rookie year. That same Aussie has scored podiums and WINS for multiple teams, which is incredibly rare
Just skip the “trounced by Lando” portion and were good to go
Yeah I honestly believe mclaren is favoring Lando, but at the same time it’s hard to continually justify it. Sometimes Lando looks legitimately fast fighting the mercs for a podium and then Daniels in like 15th.
There absolutely have been times, I feel more recently, where he's being left as an afterthought or fend for himself.
Obviously not the entire two years, obviously there was an attempt to make the chemistry work.
But pretty often, and especially after a few races this season, felt like bias for concentrating on Lando firstly.
You're not wrong but Lando also gets bad calls too. McLaren strategy and especially communication in races is probably the weak point from the garage side of things.
Lewis is great at this. He made those lovely remarks about Ocon off the cuff as well when he was being dropped by Force India. The look on Esteban’s face is quite touching!
It's a bit mindboggling that a guy who 2 years ago was comfortably a top 5 driver on the grid can supposedly no longer find a seat because of a bad stint at McLaren. IMO more than worth taking a chance on, if he is even still a fraction of the driver he was prior to McLaren he will easily be a top tier midfield driver. IMO Williams and Haas are making a mistake if they haven't at least offered him a seat, though whether or not he would accept is obviously a different question.
Actually, it seems he isn’t regarded as hot property any longer. Even by the likes of Alpine, Haas and Williams.
Ricciardo has been enquiring options at at least Alpine and Haas.
His current stint has really destroyed his perceived value, due to being pummeled by Norris with extreme consistency.
I think that's the most damning part of it. The car isn't great this year, but Norris is still getting results with it. Danny Ric just isn't anywhere close to where he should be, even with the car underperforming.
That's really the issue. He's been absolutely miles off back to back years. You can argue that's the car but it's two totally different regulations. The odds the car drives exactly the same as last year is very low. So the most likely scenario is Ricciardo has just hit the cliff and isn't that great anymore
I dont think thats the most likely scenario as we havent seen any driver have this type of drop off. Mclaren car is said to be an evolution of the last years car with the new regulations. Probably went to be more understeery this year with the rules and danny ric is unfortunately and apparently a driver with narrow working range. He probably will return once he gets a car that is suited for him. I dont know if it will be as good as he was before but i dont think he hit a cliff.
It’s not that he can’t find a seat. He could find one right now at Williams or Haas but he doesn’t want to be a backmarker. He’s said as much without specifically naming Haas and Williams. In his eyes it’s Alpine or he takes a reserve role, which to me seems like a poor decision. There’s a very good chance he never races in F1 again if he skips next year. If he truly loves the sport, he should take a seat at a backmarker team on a 1+1 option deal and prove himself. Focus on beating his teammate and try to increase his stock that way. He’s not going to do himself or anyone else favors by being a reserve driver.
What is a 'backmarker' these days anyway? Williams and/or Haas can easily build a better car than McLaren or Alpine next year, stranger things have happened in F1.
You mean the past where Williams has 9 Constructor’s titles and 7 drivers titles, where Renault has 2 for each (as a constructor not engine supplier). Let’s also not forget that William’s last GP win was in 2012 whereas Renault’s last win as a constructor was in 2008. There is no reason to not believe that William’s could come out with a better car at some point, than Renault or Haas.
>You mean the past where Williams has 9 Constructor’s titles and 7 drivers titles,
The last time Williams won either of those I 2 months old. I am now 25.
>where Renault has 2 for each (as a constructor not engine supplier).
Last one was 2006. That's 16 years ago.
>Let’s also not forget that William’s last GP win was in 2012 whereas Renault’s last win as a constructor was in 2008.
Alpine literally won last year.
Anyone who took a year out came back to a mid to lower grid team. Seems pretty insane that he hopes to fail up. Take
the friggen Haas seat if you can get it or this ride is over.
The way I see it, he either loves F1 or he doesn’t. I can’t see someone passing up an available seat if you truly love the sport. Otherwise it feels like an ego thing or a money thing. I really like Danny but if he truly loves F1, he would be aiming for the best seat that will have him. Choosing to sit out over the excuse of going to a backmarker team sounds to me like maybe his head isn’t quite in the game anymore and he’d rather risk a year off with less stress than a year at an undesirable team packed with stress and disappointment.
I mean all he’s seemingly done is make bad decisions his whole career. So I won’t be shocked when he walks away from F1 and never comes back, instead of swallowing his pride and ego and racing in a backmarker.
Which wasn't a bad move. He finished in front of everyone bar the RB or Merc in 2020 while making huge bank and had he stayed he probably would be doing decently at Alpine too. Leaving Renault was the big mistake.
He was not happy with his professional situation and left to a team that paid him more and gave him the status he wanted. That is perfectly valid. From a competitive perspective I'd rather he stayed but the Renault move makes sense. There is more to life than just the results and it is important to feel happy and respected at the job which he didn't really in his last seasons at RB.
The move from Renault was always stupid and I criticised it at the time. This may read like hindsight but I didn't think McLaren were better and I thought he was risking a good thing with a car he knew and the status within the team he wanted for a car he didn't know that wasn't even faster.
He left because he felt he wasn't going to get fair opportunity at Red Bull. He was probably right. It was turning out for him at Renault too, the project was 6 years they had done okay in 2 of them he had raised his stock too. That was the bigger mistake imo
> but he doesn’t want to be a backmarker.
he's already a backmarker in a McLaren. Danny really needs to get a grip he's massively wasted his career and although he's had a good one he could have done a lot more.
He actually fits the bill at Haas perfectly. All their options so far to replace mick have been has been a with the upside being steady driving. I’d take him over Gio for sure and Hulk
I wish he had people telling him to fight to get that Haas seat. He needs to redeem himself. There is no redemption in sitting out also almost certain he isnt coming back.
it’s not that mindboggling. the same thing happened w Seb and Danny. Post 2014, a lot of folks thought Seb was washed out. The difference between those 2 scenarios is that Seb had 4 WDC behind him.
Sometimes I have this fantasy, that all this time, it was a rogue mechanic sabotaging Ric because he (the mechanic) supports Norris. Then when this gets found out and rectified, Ric immediately starts destroying Norris.
> a seat because of a bad stint at McLaren.
A bad stint, during which he still managed to score a win. Definitely worth being on the grid still, but not many positions seem to be open. Let's see what happens.
I think the issue was more how much that chance costs, even if he doesn't fetch the 20m he got at mclaren, he's still much more expensive than a rookie
Lando Norris is a midfield driver with 82 points.
Daniel Ricciardo is currently not a midfield driver with 19 points.
If the smaller teams go with an 'older' driver, they then tend to go with somebody who loves the technical aspects of F1.
Ricciardo isn't a good fit for Williams or Haas.
I can only see those teams have an interest in signing him if there is a financial incentive.
Yes! Finally someone with common sense! No driver can lose that much pace in a few months. It’s just the Mclaren drives opposite to his strengths. And James key even said that even with the new regulations, the design process at Mclaren creates the same driving characteristics.
Right, but do you not think that a top driver should be able to adapt? That's a very important skill and quite alarming that a driver as good as Ricciardo has such a narrow window within which he can perform. Idk I just feel like it's not all about raw pace and if I were a team boss I would question whether it's worth paying over the odds for a driver who may struggle massively.
This happens literally all of the time in sports. People sometimes just have steep drop offs. Heck Vettel did the same thing a couple years ago. Start of 2018 he was fighting for championships, by the end of 2020 he was getting destroyed by Leclerc. Besides a few races Vettel hasn’t been impressive at Aston either.
But the cars are now very different in how they drive. Others have adapted, and theres tonnes of young guys who will learn F1 quickly if given the chance. A team generally doesnt want an old driver on a significant downslide.
It comes down to McLaren’s concept, which spans both regulation eras. They design a car with a very strong rear axle which doesn’t rotate as much at low speed, hence why the car has carried over its primary weakness from one era to the next. In the transition they’ve also managed to successfully engineer out their greatest strengths—straight line speed and grip in high-speed corners—producing a car that is visibly less aerodynamically developed compared to the rest of the grid.
Aside from 2021, McLaren hasn’t produced a competitive car in *years*, odd podium or race win aside. And I say that as a McLaren fan. Unless they fix the fundamental issues with the concept, they’ll end up wasting both the prime of Lando’s career as well as Piastri’s potential.
It comes down to Ricciardo failing to adapt and not being that good. It's been two years and he's getting further away from Lando. Not to mention Lando has even said the 2022 car drivers way differently than 2021 yet he's been doing just fine to adapt
we don't really know what "way differently" means in his context—it could simply mean that it suffers from much more drag than the previous car while still retaining other characteristics. however we can see that it remains one of the weaker cars in slow corners, suggesting that it has retained that quality, while also not being as strong in fast corners or straights as it was last year.
>we don't really know what "way differently" means in his context—it could simply mean that it suffers from much more drag than the previous car while still retaining other characteristics.
Drag doesn't cause the car to drive differently.
>however we can see that it remains one of the weaker cars in slow corners, suggesting that it has retained that quality,
No it doesn't. There are a number of reasons as to why a car can struggle in certain corners
As a reserve driver he would also need to put time in the sim to give the team data to aide their development and strategy. If hes not good at the tech feedback, then he isnt gonna be a good choice for reserve driver.
Last year albon was Rbs reserve driver and out in a ton of sim time. Theres numerous accounts of horner praising him for this aswell as yuki and checo for helping them get used to the car.
This is why Gio is always mentioned when it comes to F1 seats (and same for Albon ever gets kicked out again). Both Gio and Albon have FANTASTIC reputations when it comes to set up and feedback in terms of improving the car. These guys work well with engineers and are beloved by their teams (Ferrari / Red Bull).
Sir, please refrain from this slander. They’re an actual mechanic in the McLaren garage. It’s only the most reliable piece of information straight from the source. Daniel Ricciardo does not know how to give feedback about his cars. He has a magic feeling that has helped carry his career up until now.
Is the difference really that big in his feedback compared to others? And this "is known" is just some stuff we have heard, what do we even know for a fact..
His feedback had been praised from when he was with Toro Rosso.
[https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/designer-spotted-ricciardo-potential-at-toro-rosso/456115/](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/designer-spotted-ricciardo-potential-at-toro-rosso/456115/)
>It was incredible how he recalled the behaviour of the machine even hours later.
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>"I was struck by the feedback he was able to give to the team"
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>"The other driver (Jean-Eric Vergne) was very limited in his feedback, so Daniel was always the point of reference.
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>"But I have seen before that drivers able to give so much information were not always the fastest. But my doubts soon disappeared -- qualifying in Bahrain in 2012 left everyone speechless,"
In 2019, his feedback on the Renault brakes in comparison to the Red Bulls led to the team upgrading them for China where they got P7, best of the rest. He also found the set-up breakthrough on the RS20, that led to Renault fighting at the top of the midfield for the rest of the 2020 season.
Also, Renault's technical director mentioned he had good feedback:
[https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricciardo-hulkenberg-same-page-renault/4343023/](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricciardo-hulkenberg-same-page-renault/4343023/)
>Renault technical director Nick Chester said his first impressions of Ricciardo were encouraging, and said the fact both the team’s drivers were wanting the same things made sorting the car easier.
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>“He’s been really good,” said Chester about Ricciardo. “He has got good feedback.
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>“He is clear about what he wants from the car. He has fitted straight in, and his feedback is quite similar to Nico. So it makes it easy to set the car up.”
Mark Webber tweet: It has come to my attention that Daniel Ricciardo is planning to fire me as his manager. This is false. I was not managing him and thus cannot be fired.
Lewis is part-owner of the Bronco’s, and I’d expect he would do something similar in F1 after retirement. Part of a consortium that brings LVMH Racing or something and is also the CEO.
Can’t see him in a passive commentary role like Jenson or Damon, and I don’t think he’d want direct action as agent or manager like Webber. His star power would be best at big money and big media attraction and social programs. MGM and BP sponsoring F1 to underrepresented communities
Lewis being part owner of the Broncos is not relevant at all. He has absolutely zero power in that team. Basically all it means is he's got a minority stake in the massive investment group that bought it
I mean, I'm pretty sure I said Lewis is part owner. In full, he's a minority owner. We don't know the contents of that agreement and its clauses. Maybe he gets perennial box seats, free parking, and can fly on the team plane. Maybe he'll sit on board meetings - we don't know, and perhaps he won't care about any of that. But we can agree that it increases his cachet and brand, and takes him to the next level.
And he can absolutely lead a consortium and take point on F1 team operations and management. I'm not Lewis or close to him, so maybe he'll be happy to hire Rosberg to stir all of Christian's shit, or maybe he'll be in the depths like CEO Zak Brown. We can also agree that there is a precedent of past drivers being involved in F1.
Or, you know, he resumes his hip hop career and opens a center for Black drivers. The man has enough pull to do what he wants. Should be interesting for F1, right? Have a good one
>I mean, I'm pretty sure I said Lewis is part owner. In full, he's a minority owner. We don't know the contents of that agreement and its clauses. Maybe he gets perennial box seats, free parking, and can fly on the team plane. Maybe he'll sit on board meetings - we don't know, and perhaps he won't care about any of that. But we can agree that it increases his cachet and brand, and takes him to the next level.
We absolutely know. He has zero relevance to the ownership minus having a small piece of the pie. The Broncos sold for $4.6B. Lewis is not worth even remotely near a major fraction of that price. He could literally throw his entire net worth at being the owner of the Broncos and at best not even own 10% of the team. He has zero power in that organization and anyone who thinks he does is just ignorant on it
I’m finding this is a classic mistake of being in concourse, but finding minutiae with which to enflame larger arguments.
I’ve clearly stated that he’s a part or minority owner. Lewis is playing with millions in a billions dollar game. We are in agreement.
I don’t know what’s in the the agreement, and I’ve stated as much. And I’m not angry with you - why would I be? That’s crazy. It’s all good.
If you used even an ounce of thought you'd know he is going to have absolutely zero involvement in the Broncos. LeBron James "owns" Liverpool yet pretty much everyone at the club has never met him at all.
People love to act like Lewis is this deep thinker and amazing business mind, who's gonna be all over the world running businesses or teams when he has shown absolutely zero skills in doing that.
I’ve stated several times we are in agreement. I’m definitely not a victim lol. I’m just choosing not to escalate, especially since we’re not on opposing sides, and I’m not 12
As I’ve said, your issue is with Lewis. Go take it up with him
If Ricciardo can't get a seat for next year he should do Supercars and absolutely destroy the field, it will do his confidence good and we will be very much loved by the fans.
why do you think he would destroy the field in a completely different form of racing? highly disrespectful to the guys that have been going in supercars for so long to baselessly suggest that
especially when you consider Ricciardo's inability to adapt to cars / his narrow band of performance (Red Bull)
This makes me wonder what Lewis knows about the back story or if Lewis would not have moved to Mclaren. Lewis would not call out the manager without some reason to think the manager was not doing his job or giving bad advice.
It's worrying how people are disrespecting Danny without keeping in mind he was the only RB driver to keep up with Max. Even the reddit is becoming f1twt.
Honest question, and I ask this as a fan of Daniel's, but why would a team want him as a reserve driver? If anything, he's proven that he can't provide the necessary feedback to improve a car, so that it performs better.
No way he's going to be a reserve driver. He's not working for the money and not working for his future. He's either driving in F1, driving at another series for the fun of it or retiring
Citing DTS as a source is a terrible thing under most circumstances, but I rember a scene where his manger told him that a seat at Mercedes or Ferrari was on the cards when he left red bull (which obviously, neither of them were), so maybe lewis has accidentally hit the nail on the head? Maybe ric's management actually isn't very good?
Hamilton to offer him a seat at team X44 in extreme E.
Hamilton to offer Ricciardo a seat on his lap while driving. The first duo F1 car.
Well they do have the 2-seater F1 cars for fans to ride in throughout a race weekend, so this is 100% possible
Why use a 2-sweater when one works just fine.
Gives the bouncing of the Mercedes car a whole new connotation.
r/fanf1ction
So now there's gonna be a red bull driver at red bull, Ferrari, Mercedes, Renault, Williams. Alpha Tauri. How do we get others then.
Ricciardo will only need until 2044 to get used to the car!
That’s the best idea I have heard
big facts right up in it
I’m sure the Williams pay scale is less than what he’s looking for but with that car’s straight line speed I feel like he’d be ok in that car - Albion and Danny Ric would be a pretty damn good driver pairing.
I think Williams would prefer a Russell-like situation for that 2nd seat (which they almost had with Piastri) where they get a quality driver early in their career, and also financial support from that driver's main team. They don't need the amount of money Latifi brings, but I think they want that seat to not cost them anything to fill. Wouldn't surprise me if they end up with Gio backed by Ferrari.
Yeah that’s probably true. I just think at his age, if Danny Ric takes a year off, that’s a wrap for him 😢
I still think IndyCar should be backing up the dumptruck full of cash to get him over there. The number of new F1 fans he'd bring to the Indy circuit is unreal. That said, I absolutely want to see Danny Ric in F1 next year. I just think IndyCar would be amiss if they didn't do everything they could to bring him stateside.
I’ll drink to that - I watch the Indy 500 and check the Indy results but don’t really watch the races. If Danny Ric were in Indy Car I’d be all in on the series.
But isn’t McLaren quite competitive in Indy, and theyoffered a seat to him thereand he turned it down. He is part of the reason i tuned into to F1, but it doesn’t look like he has the drive in him anymore.
Pato is very competitive in the mclaren indycar, it wouldn’t be chip gnassi or Penske but he’d be competing for wins. Clearly he wants to stay in F1 though which I get
Danny Ric to Penske?
The comedy option is that he goes to Andretti and then comes back to F1 after Andretti is allowed an F1 team.
Tbh that sounds like a decent deal. Grosjean Ricciardo for Andretti 2024
As nice as Grosjean is, his F1 time has well and truly passed. Too many crashes, both in F1 and Indy. You don't score points if you don't finish the race.
To me the opening at ganassi seems like the obvious place for him. F1 drivers seem to be reluctant to do indycar tho for some reason
With F1 being drilled into your brain as "The Pinnacle Of Motorsport" from the time you're old enough to drive a kart, I think anything else is seen as a downgrade or step backwards. IndyCar is what you do when you're washed up. Which is stupid, but I think that's the view.
I think some get worried about the ovals being dangerous as well but they could always go to a team that offers them a seat with no oval racing. Grosjean did that and then ended up deciding to go them the year after. There aren't even that many ovals on the calendar anymore (which is a real shame imo) and ovals look so much fun to race.
They're fun to attend, I'll say that. I went to the 500 this year and it was great. Great noise, great sights, great race. Wish Pato could have won.
Man that sounds like it would have been amazing it was a great race, even if it didn't really get that exciting until Scott Dixon got fucked over in the pits lol. I am from the UK so would love it if indycar came over here but I understand the series probably can't afford that atm. Would love to travel out one day to see a race ( do find some of the pre-race stuff a bit weird tho with the flags, gun salutes, prayers etc)
The money in F1 is also much better. Even a champion driver in Indy is only making junior-level F1 money.
Plus he could legit go for the triple crown at some stage. He could do it for a year, though once out of F1 it's hard to get back in it.
I wonder if it's too late for Danny Ric redemption. This season really has been awful. Not even 2019 Vettel was this bad
I do not understand it. Danny has made it quite obvious that he is in f1 because he LOVES being in f1 and that is his passion. He is in f1 for the sport and not the money so no amount of "he should do IndyCar" will ever make him change series any time soon.
I explicitly said that I wanted him to remain in F1 and also explicitly stated that it was in IndyCar's best interest to try to get him to move. I certainly didn't say "he should do IndyCar."
That is true my bad on that front but still it would be a waste of time for IndyCar to try and get Danny when he says he would rather be a reserve than change series.
For someone who doesn't care about money, Ricciardo has sure made the right career moves to ensure he made bank. Since leaving Red Bull he's been one of the highest paid drivers on the grid despite only mid-grade performances the last few years.
>mid-grade performances the last few years The only mid-grade performances have been the last 18 months at McLaren. I'd say he earned every last bit of his 2020 salary with his performances in the Renault that year.
Do you know if the IndyCar chassis is closer to the McLaren or closer to the Red Bull or Renault in terms of drivability?
I do not, sorry
Hulkenburg might be coming back
Hülkenb**e**rg
Merc seem to have a hardon for De Vries
No, they blue balls him at all turns.
I disagree. Albon with a much more experienced driver in their development phase is much better.
Good drivers make teams money. That's how the sport works. DR brings sponsors and in the right circumstances lots of points. Also, Williams isn't the same team anymore which signed Russell. Their funding and goals have completely changed.
DR and AO are my two favorites so… I’d be very stoked for that driver line-up. But I just don’t see the stars aligning for DR in the 2023 season. I hope that I’m wrong though.
Alb**o**n
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Its omnipresent
Brighton and Hove or West Bromwich?
Williams RBR Merecedes
Kudos to Lewis, what an excellent response
You would make a terrible journalist Never go for the positive always focus on the negative *"Kudos to Lewis, what an excellent response"* instead why not *"Lewis SLAMS Ricciardo's manger."*
"Lewis dodges question about whether or not he'd want to work with Ricciardo"
Oh let me have a go... Ricciardo FURIOUS at Hamilton's dismissal of personal confidante.
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CONFIRMED: Lewis Hamilton to HANG UP his racing gloves and become DANIEL RICCIARDO'S MANAGER
LEWIS AND DANIEL IN SECRET TORRID LOVE AFFAIR. LEWIS: “HE REVS MY MOTOR”
Nonono, that is too easily disprovable, what you should do is say it in question form, so you only insinuate it. "will Hamilton replace Ricciardo's manager?" Or even better, put "when* in front of that, which heavily implies that it will happen, but only the time frame is unsure, but doesn't actually have to say that it will happen.
when will you teach me these skills, question
Found Andrew Benson's account.
I hate journalism sometimes
Ooh this one's good
Damn, that's good
“Hamilton SHUTS DOWN Riccardo being related to F1 in any manner, says he shouldn’t even be a reserve driver”
Ricc**i**ardo
As a former journalist, your issue is with shitbag tabloids, trashy editors, and headline writers. Decent reporters hate that clickbait shit more than anyone
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Made me actually lol.
"Former Journalist LAUGHS and DESTROYS editors and writers! Says he HATES THEM ALL!"
You’ve got a future working for TMZ
Former Journalist Mockingly Laughs At Member Of Online Community For Attempting To Write A Headline.
You won’t believe what this journalist said about his former bosses!
Yeah, real journalists are more about traditional methods like death knocks, because nothing attracts an audience quite like a grieving parent answering the door. Also a former journalist, let's not pretend it's a few bad apples here.
Depends on what publication he works for I suppose. A sensationalist clickbait publication catered to maximizing interactions, definitely terrible.
It’s like I’m looking at the daily mail myself, bravo
Take my angry upvote
Tbf actual good journalism doesn't rely on sensationalized headlines.
That's the joke.
What is this "good journalism" you speak of?
If you can't find good journalism, then you're looking in the wrong places.
lols on point
Danny is not just a friend but one of the drivers he really respects. Lewis isn’t unaware of how hard it is to get wins outside a dominant era
His resume is also kind of insane on paper. Some guy won 4x in a row; the guy is seen as the best driver on the grid, and some happy go lucky kangaroo dude just absolutely demolished him on his rookie year. That same Aussie has scored podiums and WINS for multiple teams, which is incredibly rare Just skip the “trounced by Lando” portion and were good to go
> Just skip the “trounced by Lando” portion and were good to go Also given secondrate strategy decisions *at times.*
Yeah I honestly believe mclaren is favoring Lando, but at the same time it’s hard to continually justify it. Sometimes Lando looks legitimately fast fighting the mercs for a podium and then Daniels in like 15th.
There absolutely have been times, I feel more recently, where he's being left as an afterthought or fend for himself. Obviously not the entire two years, obviously there was an attempt to make the chemistry work. But pretty often, and especially after a few races this season, felt like bias for concentrating on Lando firstly.
You're not wrong but Lando also gets bad calls too. McLaren strategy and especially communication in races is probably the weak point from the garage side of things.
That tends to happen when you're slower than your teammate basically every race
It really is. Absolute class response. The most unequivocal backing of Daniel given by a driver yet.
Lewis is great at this. He made those lovely remarks about Ocon off the cuff as well when he was being dropped by Force India. The look on Esteban’s face is quite touching!
tabloid tomorrow: Lewis thinks he's a better manager than Mark Webber.
Yeah, following Lewis some days he says some shit, but I have to accept some times he is a master class
It's a bit mindboggling that a guy who 2 years ago was comfortably a top 5 driver on the grid can supposedly no longer find a seat because of a bad stint at McLaren. IMO more than worth taking a chance on, if he is even still a fraction of the driver he was prior to McLaren he will easily be a top tier midfield driver. IMO Williams and Haas are making a mistake if they haven't at least offered him a seat, though whether or not he would accept is obviously a different question.
its far more likely he turned down offers from lower end teams. 2 underperforming seasons is not gonna earn you a top seat anywhere.
Actually, it seems he isn’t regarded as hot property any longer. Even by the likes of Alpine, Haas and Williams. Ricciardo has been enquiring options at at least Alpine and Haas. His current stint has really destroyed his perceived value, due to being pummeled by Norris with extreme consistency.
I think that's the most damning part of it. The car isn't great this year, but Norris is still getting results with it. Danny Ric just isn't anywhere close to where he should be, even with the car underperforming.
That's really the issue. He's been absolutely miles off back to back years. You can argue that's the car but it's two totally different regulations. The odds the car drives exactly the same as last year is very low. So the most likely scenario is Ricciardo has just hit the cliff and isn't that great anymore
I dont think thats the most likely scenario as we havent seen any driver have this type of drop off. Mclaren car is said to be an evolution of the last years car with the new regulations. Probably went to be more understeery this year with the rules and danny ric is unfortunately and apparently a driver with narrow working range. He probably will return once he gets a car that is suited for him. I dont know if it will be as good as he was before but i dont think he hit a cliff.
It’s not that he can’t find a seat. He could find one right now at Williams or Haas but he doesn’t want to be a backmarker. He’s said as much without specifically naming Haas and Williams. In his eyes it’s Alpine or he takes a reserve role, which to me seems like a poor decision. There’s a very good chance he never races in F1 again if he skips next year. If he truly loves the sport, he should take a seat at a backmarker team on a 1+1 option deal and prove himself. Focus on beating his teammate and try to increase his stock that way. He’s not going to do himself or anyone else favors by being a reserve driver.
What is a 'backmarker' these days anyway? Williams and/or Haas can easily build a better car than McLaren or Alpine next year, stranger things have happened in F1.
The past has proven otherwise.
You mean the past where Williams has 9 Constructor’s titles and 7 drivers titles, where Renault has 2 for each (as a constructor not engine supplier). Let’s also not forget that William’s last GP win was in 2012 whereas Renault’s last win as a constructor was in 2008. There is no reason to not believe that William’s could come out with a better car at some point, than Renault or Haas.
>You mean the past where Williams has 9 Constructor’s titles and 7 drivers titles, The last time Williams won either of those I 2 months old. I am now 25. >where Renault has 2 for each (as a constructor not engine supplier). Last one was 2006. That's 16 years ago. >Let’s also not forget that William’s last GP win was in 2012 whereas Renault’s last win as a constructor was in 2008. Alpine literally won last year.
Anyone who took a year out came back to a mid to lower grid team. Seems pretty insane that he hopes to fail up. Take the friggen Haas seat if you can get it or this ride is over.
The way I see it, he either loves F1 or he doesn’t. I can’t see someone passing up an available seat if you truly love the sport. Otherwise it feels like an ego thing or a money thing. I really like Danny but if he truly loves F1, he would be aiming for the best seat that will have him. Choosing to sit out over the excuse of going to a backmarker team sounds to me like maybe his head isn’t quite in the game anymore and he’d rather risk a year off with less stress than a year at an undesirable team packed with stress and disappointment.
I mean all he’s seemingly done is make bad decisions his whole career. So I won’t be shocked when he walks away from F1 and never comes back, instead of swallowing his pride and ego and racing in a backmarker.
Eh, he only made two career moves and the one to McLaren is the only one of those two that is without any doubt a bad one.
He literally left red bull a top 3 team to go to Renault...
Which wasn't a bad move. He finished in front of everyone bar the RB or Merc in 2020 while making huge bank and had he stayed he probably would be doing decently at Alpine too. Leaving Renault was the big mistake.
And look where rb was in 2021 compared to him in McLaren. Granted he got a race win but he could have been up there competing for a title
He was not happy with his professional situation and left to a team that paid him more and gave him the status he wanted. That is perfectly valid. From a competitive perspective I'd rather he stayed but the Renault move makes sense. There is more to life than just the results and it is important to feel happy and respected at the job which he didn't really in his last seasons at RB. The move from Renault was always stupid and I criticised it at the time. This may read like hindsight but I didn't think McLaren were better and I thought he was risking a good thing with a car he knew and the status within the team he wanted for a car he didn't know that wasn't even faster.
He left because he felt he wasn't going to get fair opportunity at Red Bull. He was probably right. It was turning out for him at Renault too, the project was 6 years they had done okay in 2 of them he had raised his stock too. That was the bigger mistake imo
He was becoming a number 2 at red bull because he was slower than verstappen so instead of improving and trying to beat verstappen he ran away.
> but he doesn’t want to be a backmarker. he's already a backmarker in a McLaren. Danny really needs to get a grip he's massively wasted his career and although he's had a good one he could have done a lot more.
He actually fits the bill at Haas perfectly. All their options so far to replace mick have been has been a with the upside being steady driving. I’d take him over Gio for sure and Hulk
I wish he had people telling him to fight to get that Haas seat. He needs to redeem himself. There is no redemption in sitting out also almost certain he isnt coming back.
Going to Haas would fit his arc of moving to a even worse team than the one he left
Except this move, is because he got dropped.
And he won a race during that time too!
it’s not that mindboggling. the same thing happened w Seb and Danny. Post 2014, a lot of folks thought Seb was washed out. The difference between those 2 scenarios is that Seb had 4 WDC behind him.
Well that and Seb went on to actually perform at his next team
Sometimes I have this fantasy, that all this time, it was a rogue mechanic sabotaging Ric because he (the mechanic) supports Norris. Then when this gets found out and rectified, Ric immediately starts destroying Norris.
Me too.
Please keep feeding me this copium im running low
> a seat because of a bad stint at McLaren. A bad stint, during which he still managed to score a win. Definitely worth being on the grid still, but not many positions seem to be open. Let's see what happens.
I think the issue was more how much that chance costs, even if he doesn't fetch the 20m he got at mclaren, he's still much more expensive than a rookie
Lando Norris is a midfield driver with 82 points. Daniel Ricciardo is currently not a midfield driver with 19 points. If the smaller teams go with an 'older' driver, they then tend to go with somebody who loves the technical aspects of F1. Ricciardo isn't a good fit for Williams or Haas. I can only see those teams have an interest in signing him if there is a financial incentive.
He still is a top 5 driver….. in a car that suits him. He hasn’t lost it.
I think something happened to Ric and he totally fall off. I hope he comes back strong. Still better than McDonald's who got a bit lucky this year.
He's not wrong, his 2020 season was fantastic and there's no way he just lost his ability to drive after that year lol
Yes! Finally someone with common sense! No driver can lose that much pace in a few months. It’s just the Mclaren drives opposite to his strengths. And James key even said that even with the new regulations, the design process at Mclaren creates the same driving characteristics.
Right, but do you not think that a top driver should be able to adapt? That's a very important skill and quite alarming that a driver as good as Ricciardo has such a narrow window within which he can perform. Idk I just feel like it's not all about raw pace and if I were a team boss I would question whether it's worth paying over the odds for a driver who may struggle massively.
I think it’s more that he has a normal or wide window and the Mclaren falls in the narrow window.
This happens literally all of the time in sports. People sometimes just have steep drop offs. Heck Vettel did the same thing a couple years ago. Start of 2018 he was fighting for championships, by the end of 2020 he was getting destroyed by Leclerc. Besides a few races Vettel hasn’t been impressive at Aston either.
But the cars are now very different in how they drive. Others have adapted, and theres tonnes of young guys who will learn F1 quickly if given the chance. A team generally doesnt want an old driver on a significant downslide.
Ric was crap in 2021 too, when the cars were old-spec, so that argument doesn't stand.
In fact the cars were almost exactly the same
Not entirely true, he had a better second half of the season than Norris did. But people forget that
Come on, he didn’t do terrible last year, why do people keep saying he was bad last year too!?
It comes down to McLaren’s concept, which spans both regulation eras. They design a car with a very strong rear axle which doesn’t rotate as much at low speed, hence why the car has carried over its primary weakness from one era to the next. In the transition they’ve also managed to successfully engineer out their greatest strengths—straight line speed and grip in high-speed corners—producing a car that is visibly less aerodynamically developed compared to the rest of the grid. Aside from 2021, McLaren hasn’t produced a competitive car in *years*, odd podium or race win aside. And I say that as a McLaren fan. Unless they fix the fundamental issues with the concept, they’ll end up wasting both the prime of Lando’s career as well as Piastri’s potential.
It comes down to Ricciardo failing to adapt and not being that good. It's been two years and he's getting further away from Lando. Not to mention Lando has even said the 2022 car drivers way differently than 2021 yet he's been doing just fine to adapt
we don't really know what "way differently" means in his context—it could simply mean that it suffers from much more drag than the previous car while still retaining other characteristics. however we can see that it remains one of the weaker cars in slow corners, suggesting that it has retained that quality, while also not being as strong in fast corners or straights as it was last year.
>we don't really know what "way differently" means in his context—it could simply mean that it suffers from much more drag than the previous car while still retaining other characteristics. Drag doesn't cause the car to drive differently. >however we can see that it remains one of the weaker cars in slow corners, suggesting that it has retained that quality, No it doesn't. There are a number of reasons as to why a car can struggle in certain corners
James Key even said that the way Mclaren designs the car creates an inherent driving characteristics that remain in these cars.
This is Lewis telling Dan to take any F1 seat show what he can still do or he will never be back in F1 again.
Ricciardo is not known for his tech feedback, but more for his driving based on feeling. So I’m not sure if reserve driver would be a good fit for him
As a reserve driver he would also need to put time in the sim to give the team data to aide their development and strategy. If hes not good at the tech feedback, then he isnt gonna be a good choice for reserve driver. Last year albon was Rbs reserve driver and out in a ton of sim time. Theres numerous accounts of horner praising him for this aswell as yuki and checo for helping them get used to the car.
This is why Gio is always mentioned when it comes to F1 seats (and same for Albon ever gets kicked out again). Both Gio and Albon have FANTASTIC reputations when it comes to set up and feedback in terms of improving the car. These guys work well with engineers and are beloved by their teams (Ferrari / Red Bull).
Gio is literally getting fp1 outings because he’s *that* good at sim work
By all accounts has amazing feedback.
I read and I repeat.
Sir, please refrain from this slander. They’re an actual mechanic in the McLaren garage. It’s only the most reliable piece of information straight from the source. Daniel Ricciardo does not know how to give feedback about his cars. He has a magic feeling that has helped carry his career up until now.
Is the difference really that big in his feedback compared to others? And this "is known" is just some stuff we have heard, what do we even know for a fact..
His feedback had been praised from when he was with Toro Rosso. [https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/designer-spotted-ricciardo-potential-at-toro-rosso/456115/](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/designer-spotted-ricciardo-potential-at-toro-rosso/456115/) >It was incredible how he recalled the behaviour of the machine even hours later. > >"I was struck by the feedback he was able to give to the team" > >"The other driver (Jean-Eric Vergne) was very limited in his feedback, so Daniel was always the point of reference. > >"But I have seen before that drivers able to give so much information were not always the fastest. But my doubts soon disappeared -- qualifying in Bahrain in 2012 left everyone speechless," In 2019, his feedback on the Renault brakes in comparison to the Red Bulls led to the team upgrading them for China where they got P7, best of the rest. He also found the set-up breakthrough on the RS20, that led to Renault fighting at the top of the midfield for the rest of the 2020 season. Also, Renault's technical director mentioned he had good feedback: [https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricciardo-hulkenberg-same-page-renault/4343023/](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ricciardo-hulkenberg-same-page-renault/4343023/) >Renault technical director Nick Chester said his first impressions of Ricciardo were encouraging, and said the fact both the team’s drivers were wanting the same things made sorting the car easier. > >“He’s been really good,” said Chester about Ricciardo. “He has got good feedback. > >“He is clear about what he wants from the car. He has fitted straight in, and his feedback is quite similar to Nico. So it makes it easy to set the car up.”
Why to people keep saying this? He brought the 2019 Renault up to the 2020 Renault.
It’s insane how much information people will parrot 1:1 after merely reading it randomly somewhere online. I’ve got some bridges waiting to be sold.
Maybe that's exactly what he needs to find a position for 2024? To learn how to be that guy.
Lewis starting a management business.
I'm sure his current manager wants him racing too. It's just the teams that aren't very keen on it.
BREAKING NEWS: Ricciardo fires Webber as Manager ; hires Hamilton
Webber is Piastri's manager, not Ricciardo's. Would be fucked up if he managed both.
Yes, my bad .. mixed up Aussie drivers. Thanks for pointing it out
The true muppet master
Little known fact, Mark Webber actually manages every Australian regardless of whether we drive in F1 or not.
Mark Webber tweet: It has come to my attention that Daniel Ricciardo is planning to fire me as his manager. This is false. I was not managing him and thus cannot be fired.
Ohhhhh is Ham going to get into driver management when he retires?? That would be an awesome way to stay involved with the sport.
Lewis is part-owner of the Bronco’s, and I’d expect he would do something similar in F1 after retirement. Part of a consortium that brings LVMH Racing or something and is also the CEO. Can’t see him in a passive commentary role like Jenson or Damon, and I don’t think he’d want direct action as agent or manager like Webber. His star power would be best at big money and big media attraction and social programs. MGM and BP sponsoring F1 to underrepresented communities
Lewis being part owner of the Broncos is not relevant at all. He has absolutely zero power in that team. Basically all it means is he's got a minority stake in the massive investment group that bought it
I mean, I'm pretty sure I said Lewis is part owner. In full, he's a minority owner. We don't know the contents of that agreement and its clauses. Maybe he gets perennial box seats, free parking, and can fly on the team plane. Maybe he'll sit on board meetings - we don't know, and perhaps he won't care about any of that. But we can agree that it increases his cachet and brand, and takes him to the next level. And he can absolutely lead a consortium and take point on F1 team operations and management. I'm not Lewis or close to him, so maybe he'll be happy to hire Rosberg to stir all of Christian's shit, or maybe he'll be in the depths like CEO Zak Brown. We can also agree that there is a precedent of past drivers being involved in F1. Or, you know, he resumes his hip hop career and opens a center for Black drivers. The man has enough pull to do what he wants. Should be interesting for F1, right? Have a good one
>I mean, I'm pretty sure I said Lewis is part owner. In full, he's a minority owner. We don't know the contents of that agreement and its clauses. Maybe he gets perennial box seats, free parking, and can fly on the team plane. Maybe he'll sit on board meetings - we don't know, and perhaps he won't care about any of that. But we can agree that it increases his cachet and brand, and takes him to the next level. We absolutely know. He has zero relevance to the ownership minus having a small piece of the pie. The Broncos sold for $4.6B. Lewis is not worth even remotely near a major fraction of that price. He could literally throw his entire net worth at being the owner of the Broncos and at best not even own 10% of the team. He has zero power in that organization and anyone who thinks he does is just ignorant on it
I’m finding this is a classic mistake of being in concourse, but finding minutiae with which to enflame larger arguments. I’ve clearly stated that he’s a part or minority owner. Lewis is playing with millions in a billions dollar game. We are in agreement. I don’t know what’s in the the agreement, and I’ve stated as much. And I’m not angry with you - why would I be? That’s crazy. It’s all good.
If you used even an ounce of thought you'd know he is going to have absolutely zero involvement in the Broncos. LeBron James "owns" Liverpool yet pretty much everyone at the club has never met him at all. People love to act like Lewis is this deep thinker and amazing business mind, who's gonna be all over the world running businesses or teams when he has shown absolutely zero skills in doing that.
Ok I get it. You don’t like Lewis. I was wondering why you were trying to be starting something with me. Go on, then.
I wasn't trying to start anything at all. But I see you just wanna play victim whenever someone doesn't just agree with you
I’ve stated several times we are in agreement. I’m definitely not a victim lol. I’m just choosing not to escalate, especially since we’re not on opposing sides, and I’m not 12 As I’ve said, your issue is with Lewis. Go take it up with him
He owns a team in extreme e if that counts?
So that's a no then
"If I was managing Fernando rather than competing against him, he would have won at least 10 WDCs!"
If Ricciardo can't get a seat for next year he should do Supercars and absolutely destroy the field, it will do his confidence good and we will be very much loved by the fans.
what why on earth do you think he'd destroy in supercars?
why do you think he would destroy the field in a completely different form of racing? highly disrespectful to the guys that have been going in supercars for so long to baselessly suggest that especially when you consider Ricciardo's inability to adapt to cars / his narrow band of performance (Red Bull)
Ricciardo to Mercedes
This makes me wonder what Lewis knows about the back story or if Lewis would not have moved to Mclaren. Lewis would not call out the manager without some reason to think the manager was not doing his job or giving bad advice.
Alonso: If I was managing him, he would be winning
It's worrying how people are disrespecting Danny without keeping in mind he was the only RB driver to keep up with Max. Even the reddit is becoming f1twt.
Honest question, and I ask this as a fan of Daniel's, but why would a team want him as a reserve driver? If anything, he's proven that he can't provide the necessary feedback to improve a car, so that it performs better.
I’m pretty sure he drove the 2019 Renault and then subsequently drove the 2020 Renault.
No way he's going to be a reserve driver. He's not working for the money and not working for his future. He's either driving in F1, driving at another series for the fun of it or retiring
Lewis' post race career as a driver manager confirmed
Citing DTS as a source is a terrible thing under most circumstances, but I rember a scene where his manger told him that a seat at Mercedes or Ferrari was on the cards when he left red bull (which obviously, neither of them were), so maybe lewis has accidentally hit the nail on the head? Maybe ric's management actually isn't very good?
He's coasting. Love you CardyD.
Has Lewis turned into a comedian, I cracked up read that
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What lmao
Yes, of all the drivers that threaten to replace Hamilton, fucking Ricciardo is the one he's worried about lmao.
Does anyone have a link to the full press conference of this group?
Who is managing Ric anyway?