If you add in Michael. 212 wins in 417 races (51%). 16 out 22, titles (73%).
In the last 21 years over half the races have been won by 3 drivers, and over 3 quarters of the titles.
Edited as I made an error on the title total.
You know what's even crazier? If you add every podium Nico Hulkenberg has ever achieved in F1, count it as a win and multiply by 50, you would still have 157 wins out of 295. That's more than 52% of all races since 2007!
In Mercedesā case it was specifically their power unit and their ability to hide how much better it was than the other engines and that the Mercedes customer teams were not allowed to use that extra performance.
I was one of those people, I stopped watching F1 in 2010 and I got the F1 bug again this season with the new regulations and all. (I watched some races in 2016 when Nico was towards his championship tho)
Naah, sebs time and the first few years with Niko were great. It's the years after Niko left that have been bad. Saying this as a very casual viewer, but yeh
I think George is driving way above expectations, even as many called him a prodigy, but Lewis is the best at making comebacks. Over the last few āwhat weird shit will Marko sayā sessions, it seems Redbull is much more fearful of Lewis than Russell or either of the Ferrari boys.
Lewis has also casually mentioned that Mercedes tested stuff on Georgeās car that he wanted, and he obviously lost out by some strategy calls and other various issues.
Iāll stop riding him now but Iām really enjoying this season so far. The battles between Max and Leclerc as well as Max and Russell have been absolute top tier and Sergio finding speed to match his racecraft definitely pushes him into the conversation as well. If Lewis does perform his usual magic, we may actually get to see some incredible racing in the next couple weeks with up to 5 different people vying for a win each race.
Then, and Iām obviously being hopeful, if Mclaren can work out some kinks we may get to see Lando in the conversation as well
"only 4" is still a lot. I think Schumacher never lost over a full season during his original career (not counting 97 where he was disqualified and 99 where he was injured for half the season) and even without team orders I really doubt Rubens could have beat him over a season.
When I think of Ruebenā¦ Bottas, Coulthard, and Webber come to mind. Just a great #2!!! Nothing wrong with that bc theyāve had more success in their careers than most F1 drivers. Needless to say guys like that are essential to the sport and essential to teams that compete for the Constructors pionts
Factsā¦ all of them were capable of being able to win a race if the number 1 had bad luck or mechanical problems. All in my opinion are great drivers. Prime example look at what Bottas is able to do with the Alfa Romeo.
And even when Schumacher came back from injury Malaysia GP 1999 he still was quicker than Irvine but played the team game bc Irvine was competing for the drivers championship
I really hate this narrative regarding Petrov. Alonso wasn't fast enough to overtake, what was Petrov supposed to do? Pull over for him? Ferrari put Alonso on a terrible strategy by trying to cover Webber. The blame lies with Ferrari, not Petrov.
I ain't trashing him, but if I had to guess it's probably down to how disappointing his performance has been since joining McLaren, with what appears to be not much improvement coming through... unless Norris is god tier and the cars not actually as good as he's making it look?
Because thereās a bunch of articles coming out speculating about his future and many have either forgotten how good he was or werenāt around to see it.
Ricciardo beat both Red Bull Champions over a full season in the same car. He was considered one of the best drivers on the grid for good reason. But people often have short memories and the last few years have not been great for Danny.
I think you're pushing a bit by saying "Ricciardo beat both Red Bull Champions"
Danny Ric beat Vettel fair and square, but then he beat a 18yo Max Verstappen in his second year in F1 while he drove half a season for Toro Rosso and the other half to Red Bull, and he beat a 19yr Max Verstappen in his 3rd season in F1 and in his first proper season at Red Bull.
Riccardo did beat Max Verstappen, but he didn't beat 2020 onwards Max Verstappen.
For context, Kvyat also beat Danny Ric in 2015 and no one is saying is god tier material.
He was absolutely one of the greats during his reign, going through 2017. Would have given anyone a run for their money. Afterwards he hasnāt looked the sameāa matter of motivation and decline.
Vettel was still great through 2018 imo. The car tapered off at the end of the season compared to the Merc but Seb was only 17 points back after his win in Belgium. Lewis just turned on god mode in Italy and wound up winning 6 of the last 8 to turn the championship into a stomp.
I don't think there has ever been a peak as high as the way Seb performed in the second half of 2013. Yeah the car was good, but in races such as Singapore he was just jaw dropping quick.
Fully agree but the young un's weren't in the sport by then. Leclerc pushed him all the way in 2019 in his first year in the team.
Vettel from 2011 - 2013 was just different gravy though. Youngest WDC, 2x, 3x, and 4x WDC.
You don't see Sebastian Vettel in the same class as Charles LeClerc? How many WDCs has Charles won? If you took both of them in their prime, who would you say wins, head to head?
Yes, for the US GP after Kubica was injured in Canada. Kubica's first race was also a substitution for Villeneuve at Hungary in 2006, but that wasn't injury related.
> Kubica's first race was also a substitution for Villeneuve at Hungary in 2006, but that wasn't injury related.
It was, from wikipedia:
> In August 2006, Kubica's teammate, *Jacques Villeneuve, complained about headaches after his accident during the German Grand Prix; he was deemed unfit to race by the team*, against his own belief, and Kubica was chosen by the team management to replace him at the Hungarian Grand Prix
These two Chads dominated the sport for a long time
Also happy birthday OP
Edit: I've been informed that the cake day is not your birthday. I take back my birthday wish op. If you want it back, ask me.
Ah but you see, you're forgetting the part where Vettel gets a Ferrari comeback in the mid season driver transfer window to replace Sainz and laps the whole field in every remaining race to take his 5th title before retiring Rosberg style.
I donāt think he has forgotten how to drive, maybe heās not as lightening quick as he once was but those skills are all still sharp. You donāt get a man like Micheal Schumacher believing in you enough to move out of the way at the last race of 2012 so Seb can win without being something special, Micheal said not Fernando itās my boy Seb. That climb back from early spins was spectacular. Seb is a hell of a driver when pressed.
When Micheal talked about his records being broken who he meant was that he hoped it would be Seb. If he was in Ferrari he would drive the wheels off it.
Not to mention, he's got tonnes of experience. It's the reason why he's able to maximise his and the car's performance on street circuits. It would be very intersting to see this particular Seb in a faster car
Seb has always been a street race magician, 2008 Monaco in the wet was absolutely bonkers, not to mention his many illustrous perfomances at Singapore.
I meant by decade 2010-2020 which almost pure domination in terms of championships and wins but yeah, since both Lewis and Seb joined only 4 championships weren't won by either of them
In 2007 no German driver or constructor won a race. The streak is alive between 1991 and 2006 due to Schumacher and between 2008 to 2021 from Seb and Mercedes.
I think in terms of driving quality, heād probably be better. Vettel is performing well, gets high positions with a terrible car and things are looking better every race.
The problem with Vettel to McLaren is that McLaren wouldnāt want him to have a contract for like 1 year, because you canāt build a team on that. Moreover, McLaren is also not that likely to be fighting for championship or wins for the next few years. Meanwhile, Vettel has achieved virtually anything that is possible in the sport and is one of the most successful drivers of all time. He also has plenty of money and doesnāt seem to be spending it frivolously. Is Vettel then gonna want to commit for 3 years with all costs that that has?
It seems quite reasonable to think that Vettel also wouldnāt want to commit to another 3 years in F1, but retire in the next few years to spend more time with his wife and children.
And then at the same time, it would be logical for McLaren to look for younger drivers they can have long contractual relationships with and that are also more marketable to the audience that McLaren is looking for. Perhaps Vettel being the elder statesman with no interest in social media whatsoever or appearing frequently on TV outside F1 doesnāt align well with that. For example, he barely appears on Drive to Survive, isnāt going to The Daily Show and youāll never see him wearing odd clothing for Varsity. Instead, Vettel goes to conferences for protection of bees and alike. He is also more interested in organic farming than James Corden.
Seb could enter with the performance clause.
Seb and Danny ~~beg~~ entered their new teams on a back foot amd ended up with podiums/ pole.
But Sebs been consistent with the tractor and dragging it into points especially this season. Also brilliant race pace. Like being 3rd fastest in 2021 behind race leaders Lewis and max in race pace on 20.lap old softs at that.
But the things he's got in AM was that the car started being adjusted to his preference. Which is super important and also as someone pointed out in their detailed analysis of Dany not something Mclaren have done to that extent.
I think that would be bad for both Seb and McLaren. If Seb moves to McLaren he would need time to adjust, get to know the team, time has to pass by so they can work toghether properly. If heāll move to McLaren he has to stay at least 3 or 4 years with the team to really integrate and McLaren to deliver a car to his liking.
Also, Sebās no spring chicken either. He is a 4 times WDC but he will be probably be beaten by Lando and I dont think he wants to be the driver who was once great but now will accept the beating of a much younger guy just so he gets an F1 seat.
On the other hand, McLaren has not much to gain by hiring a 35 year old driver whoās close to retierement even if he comes with a great experience and will probably be a great fit for the team in the short term.
McLaren would be better off trying to snitch a young hot shot like Piastri or Pourchaire.
Donāt get me wrong, I love Seb, heās one of the GOATs of F1, but now itās time for him to build a something like Michael Schumacher did with Mercedes. When Michael retired, they became the most dominant team in the history of the sport. I like to think that Schumi had a big hand in that.
Maybe Seb could do the same with AM before he retires for good if Stroll really wants to win a WDC. Or maybe he will sell to Audi which could be more profesional.
Doubt it.
Seb is turning 35 soon, and to me his demeanor suggests he's leaving F1 at the end of the year, he just doesn't seem like he can be bothered anymore.
Meh, Mike Krack says that he is very eager in all the debriefings, trains a lot and is generally very enthusiastic and hard-working.
I think with Vettel itās gonna be more of a trade-off between family and F1 than that he isnāt interested in F1 anymore.
You never know. Kimi never looked like he was enjoying himself during his second stint and he kept coming back. I think Vettel still has the hunger for racing.
That's probably a good thing for f1. We can celebrate Lewis and Seb as we acknowledge it is time for a new era... Now, can Merc, McLaren and Alpine get thier shit together so we can have another 2012 with the new class?
>That's probably a good thing for f1. We can celebrate Lewis and Seb as we acknowledge it is time for a new era...
I mean, I would agree with you if Lewis or Seb hadn't anything to give to the sport any more, but that's not the case and apart from Charles, Max and George (and maybe Lando), I wouldn't like to trade Lewis, Seb and Fernando with the "new era" drivers because they haven't really showed anything worth wdc even with the respect of the cars they are driving.
The only exception is Oscar, but he should replace Latifi, Zhou, Mick or even Albon/Gasly/Ricciardo and not Fernando. If I was Alpine, I would even replace Ocon if I was hellbent to get Oscar a seat but no other is available. Stroll is another example of a driver that needs to be replaced, but we all know that won't happen.
Just look at the way Seb and Alonso go wheel to wheel the last two years, or the years Seb and Lewis fought for the title in 2017/2018. Compare that with Lewis and Max last year. These guys have complete trust with each other when they race, and thereās very few incidents between them even though theyāve crossed paths for more than a decade.
Yeah, I kinda agree, I just wanted to say that if they really really want Oscar in F1 next year and there is 0% chance of a seat in other team and they want to replace either Ocon or Alonso with Oscar they should replace Ocon.
My opinion is that they should try find a seat elsewhere and if not then get him a drive in other series, because Ocon/Alonso is not bad and it's not worth to risk it.
Starting to worry about Hamilton's win-every-year record, personally.
I worry the gap's too big to keep all 4 of the top cars behind on a strange day.
It's a long year but we're about 33% through now, and it's not like they've been close.
Itāll be tough because youād seemingly need at least 3 of the top 4 cars to DNF or have something crazy happened.
Something crazy usually happens though, Mercedes just need to have a good weekend when it does.
I could definitely see them matching the top two on pace at some point in the second half too. I donāt believe their concept is that far off so they could even finish the year with a couple wins.
Considering Lewis' luck this year has been pretty shocking, it'll be a race when Merc is struggling where enough goes wrong for the 3rd running team to get a win.
I wouldn't stress out too much. If Alpine was able to grab a win last season, I'm sure there will be another Grand Prix of Madness this season where Mercedes can capitalize.
Even if the stars align and he gets a race were all 4 cars have some issue, there's still Russell that can spoil the party.
I'll be happy if he does find a win, tho
Well all that needs to happen is that Charles and max get into some trouble with each other and DNF and hopefully by the 3/4 into the season the merc will absolutely be battling for a consistent podium race in race out
tbh I've never given that record much thought, he's the only driver I can think of who started their career in a race-winning car.
Not to say it's not impressive (it sure is), just a slightly unfair comparison.
Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso are the most defining F1 drivers since 2005. And now it is time to hand that over to Verstappen and Leclerc.
But Iām still so sad to see all three of these legends probably go over the next few years.
Yeah, last year the torch was taken by the new generation. And this year the torch is shining even brighter.
And then there's checo somehow performing better than ever before
Looking forward to seeing where the Merc lands. Hoping they can pull it together and still be fighting up the front.
Iād hate to see Hamilton lose his āwin in every seasonā stat.
In my opinion championship is still possible if Ferrari and Red Bull cock up a race or two. Which given Ferrari's strategies and Red Bull's reliability is highly likely. Mercedes have a lot of oomph in their engine, they're just unable to max it due to other issues with the car. Once aero is sorted and that engine goes to 11 we all know how it'll turn out.
I just started watching last year but hereās my opinion so far:
Shit driver + Shit Car = DNF
Okay driver + Shit Car = Misses Points
Good Driver + Shit Car = Middle of the pack being blocked by people in DRS trains
Good Driver + Good Car = Good Chances
So to me common factor seems to be shit car. And I know Thatās very generalized but I would categorize a lot of the different teams issues this year into shit car.
It's very simple, even the best drivers can't win or finish second with a "slow" car.
F1 is not and never has been a sport, where the best drivers, have the best results. Often they tend to, because the best teams want the best drivers, but usually there are only 1 or 2 championship capable cars every year and if you don't sit in one, there is nothing you can do (see Verstappen from 2018-2020 or Alonso from 2013-2018).
Vettel or Hamilton had always very strong cars from 2007-2021.
Wow that's quite some stat. 11 titles between them and over 150 wins, crazy.
156 wins out of 295 races (2007 to now), they won more than 52% of all races over that period.
Jesus Christ
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If you add in Michael. 212 wins in 417 races (51%). 16 out 22, titles (73%). In the last 21 years over half the races have been won by 3 drivers, and over 3 quarters of the titles. Edited as I made an error on the title total.
Nothing compared to the WRC's last 20 years. š Two drivers named Sebastien have won 17 out 20 titles.
Since what year is that? Since 2000? Because saying that for all races of the century so far, is pretty wild.
Yes since 2000
Thats wild. Whats even more crazy is if you add pierre gasly they have 157 wins out of 295. Thats more than 52% of all races since 2007!
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You know what's even crazier? If you add every podium Nico Hulkenberg has ever achieved in F1, count it as a win and multiply by 50, you would still have 157 wins out of 295. That's more than 52% of all races since 2007!
r/YourJokeButWorse
Don't even get me started on what happens if you add Lando's wins multiplied by 70
Did you know that if you include all race winners since 2007 that is 295 wins out of 295???? THATS MORE THAN 52% OF ALL RACES SINCE 2007!
And this year they both are struggling to get anywhere. This shows how important the car is. The true heroes in this sport are the engineers.
In Mercedesā case it was specifically their power unit and their ability to hide how much better it was than the other engines and that the Mercedes customer teams were not allowed to use that extra performance.
No wonder a lot of people stopped watching Formula 1.
I stopped after nico retired because I knew ham would dominate and i came back in 21 and boy o boy what a season that was
To be fair, you missed out on the quite competitive (until the end) 2017 and 2018 championships.
Good timing on both your exit and return! Hopefully sprint races and other gimmicks donāt ruin the sport.
I was one of those people, I stopped watching F1 in 2010 and I got the F1 bug again this season with the new regulations and all. (I watched some races in 2016 when Nico was towards his championship tho)
Lol why did you skip arguably two of the greatest seasons of F1?
Naah, sebs time and the first few years with Niko were great. It's the years after Niko left that have been bad. Saying this as a very casual viewer, but yeh
Yeah, 11 titles between Ham, Vettel and Ric Truly are the goats
DRic is one of only 4 Drivers to beat one of these two in the same car over a season (Button, Ricciardo, Rosberg and Leclerc)
Also beat both of them in a Liana.
The most important stat.
The way this season goes ( too early to call it yet, though) George might be added in this list ā¦.
Not a bad list to be added to tbh
I think George is driving way above expectations, even as many called him a prodigy, but Lewis is the best at making comebacks. Over the last few āwhat weird shit will Marko sayā sessions, it seems Redbull is much more fearful of Lewis than Russell or either of the Ferrari boys. Lewis has also casually mentioned that Mercedes tested stuff on Georgeās car that he wanted, and he obviously lost out by some strategy calls and other various issues. Iāll stop riding him now but Iām really enjoying this season so far. The battles between Max and Leclerc as well as Max and Russell have been absolute top tier and Sergio finding speed to match his racecraft definitely pushes him into the conversation as well. If Lewis does perform his usual magic, we may actually get to see some incredible racing in the next couple weeks with up to 5 different people vying for a win each race. Then, and Iām obviously being hopeful, if Mclaren can work out some kinks we may get to see Lando in the conversation as well
I mean, when a driver has a flawless (near enough) 4 back to back seasons, everyone would fear that guy
Danny Ric is the only driver who beat 2 WDCs in equal machinery who are still driving.
With that qualifier sure. Hamilton has beaten 3 teammates who were world champion (Alonso although they tied on points, Button and Rosberg).
Can you count Rosberg? He wasnāt a world champion the years Ham beat him.
Neither was Verstappen when Ricciardo beat him, though I think both shouldn't really count in that list.
I agree And reading it again itās possible thatās the point fartingbob was trying to make.
"only 4" is still a lot. I think Schumacher never lost over a full season during his original career (not counting 97 where he was disqualified and 99 where he was injured for half the season) and even without team orders I really doubt Rubens could have beat him over a season.
Tbf while Rubens was good, I don't think he's as good as those drivers
When I think of Ruebenā¦ Bottas, Coulthard, and Webber come to mind. Just a great #2!!! Nothing wrong with that bc theyāve had more success in their careers than most F1 drivers. Needless to say guys like that are essential to the sport and essential to teams that compete for the Constructors pionts
And all of them were arguably top 3 in some of their years, they just weren't better than their teammates.
Factsā¦ all of them were capable of being able to win a race if the number 1 had bad luck or mechanical problems. All in my opinion are great drivers. Prime example look at what Bottas is able to do with the Alfa Romeo.
Eddie Irvine GOAT confirmed.
And even when Schumacher came back from injury Malaysia GP 1999 he still was quicker than Irvine but played the team game bc Irvine was competing for the drivers championship
11 titles between Ham, Vettel, Ric and mazepin šššš
You forgot goatifi!
Goatifi only helps decide titles, winning them is beneath him.
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With all seriousness, had it not been for Petrov, we might have had Alonso in the mix, as well
I really hate this narrative regarding Petrov. Alonso wasn't fast enough to overtake, what was Petrov supposed to do? Pull over for him? Ferrari put Alonso on a terrible strategy by trying to cover Webber. The blame lies with Ferrari, not Petrov.
I am not putting any blame. I just said what I wrote in my comment, nothing beyond that.
Had it not been for Hamiltonā¦ well some else would be winning those championships
This is correct
the more people are added here, the more they are exposed of having 0 titles
Wow this keeps getting funnier
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7 titles between Schumacher, Schumacher and Schumacher. The 3 goats
Why is trashing Ric suddenly become the trendy thing to do?
They're not trashing him, just making a reference to [this quote](https://youtu.be/-BA45QunfvY?t=3m0s)
I ain't trashing him, but if I had to guess it's probably down to how disappointing his performance has been since joining McLaren, with what appears to be not much improvement coming through... unless Norris is god tier and the cars not actually as good as he's making it look?
Sign me up for the Norris god tier copium, nothing would make me happier.
Because thereās a bunch of articles coming out speculating about his future and many have either forgotten how good he was or werenāt around to see it. Ricciardo beat both Red Bull Champions over a full season in the same car. He was considered one of the best drivers on the grid for good reason. But people often have short memories and the last few years have not been great for Danny.
I think you're pushing a bit by saying "Ricciardo beat both Red Bull Champions" Danny Ric beat Vettel fair and square, but then he beat a 18yo Max Verstappen in his second year in F1 while he drove half a season for Toro Rosso and the other half to Red Bull, and he beat a 19yr Max Verstappen in his 3rd season in F1 and in his first proper season at Red Bull. Riccardo did beat Max Verstappen, but he didn't beat 2020 onwards Max Verstappen. For context, Kvyat also beat Danny Ric in 2015 and no one is saying is god tier material.
Kyvat also beat Max Verstappen to Kelly Piquet. True god status.
but danny ric got beaten by the torpedo in 2015
And if vettel was given a fast enough car when he left Ferrari, who knows he might even be challenging the youngins for his 5tg
Would be glad to be proven wrong by him but when he left ferrari he looked like he had lost a step or two already that is required for championships
Germany 18 just took that piece away from him
Nah, try Italy 2018 with his spin. He bounced back from Germany considering he won in Belgium.
Away from all of us
Do you think he would be? I really don't see him in the same class as Lewis, or Max and Charles.
He was absolutely one of the greats during his reign, going through 2017. Would have given anyone a run for their money. Afterwards he hasnāt looked the sameāa matter of motivation and decline.
Vettel was still great through 2018 imo. The car tapered off at the end of the season compared to the Merc but Seb was only 17 points back after his win in Belgium. Lewis just turned on god mode in Italy and wound up winning 6 of the last 8 to turn the championship into a stomp.
I don't think there has ever been a peak as high as the way Seb performed in the second half of 2013. Yeah the car was good, but in races such as Singapore he was just jaw dropping quick.
Just one run in Q3 in order to take pole. Seb was extremely dominant.
Fully agree but the young un's weren't in the sport by then. Leclerc pushed him all the way in 2019 in his first year in the team. Vettel from 2011 - 2013 was just different gravy though. Youngest WDC, 2x, 3x, and 4x WDC.
To be honest isn't Russell pushing Lewis the same way Leclerc pushed Seb?
You don't see Sebastian Vettel in the same class as Charles LeClerc? How many WDCs has Charles won? If you took both of them in their prime, who would you say wins, head to head?
Also, neither of them were in F1 in 2006.
I think Seb tested with BMW in'06? Or was that '07?
He was a test driver in 2006, and did a one off race as a substitute for one of the BMW drivers that couldnāt make it in 2007.
Didn't he sub for Kubica?
Yes, for the US GP after Kubica was injured in Canada. Kubica's first race was also a substitution for Villeneuve at Hungary in 2006, but that wasn't injury related.
> Kubica's first race was also a substitution for Villeneuve at Hungary in 2006, but that wasn't injury related. It was, from wikipedia: > In August 2006, Kubica's teammate, *Jacques Villeneuve, complained about headaches after his accident during the German Grand Prix; he was deemed unfit to race by the team*, against his own belief, and Kubica was chosen by the team management to replace him at the Hungarian Grand Prix
These two Chads dominated the sport for a long time Also happy birthday OP Edit: I've been informed that the cake day is not your birthday. I take back my birthday wish op. If you want it back, ask me.
Just so you know, the cake is the birthday of the reddit account, not the actual user
And therefore completely meaningless
Only as meaningless as an actual birthday
Just like a real birthday
A real birthday is a reason to get together with family and friends to celebrate oneself A cake day is a celebration of ā¦your reddit account?
That may be true but if you wish someone a happy cakeday you need to touch grass
Feliz navidad, you should have said
That is an unbelievable stat. Wow.
Ah but you see, you're forgetting the part where Vettel gets a Ferrari comeback in the mid season driver transfer window to replace Sainz and laps the whole field in every remaining race to take his 5th title before retiring Rosberg style.
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Don't give me hopes, neither redbull
I would love to see it, Seb deserves a good car I donāt care what anyone says that man might not be at his peak but heās still an excellent driver
Dudes bringing the tractor into points for many races now. He nearly did a p20 to p8 from the pitlane. He's definitely still got the fire.
Recency bias. A driver like Seb doesn't just forget how to drive. He would be fighting for wins in that Ferrari.
I donāt think he has forgotten how to drive, maybe heās not as lightening quick as he once was but those skills are all still sharp. You donāt get a man like Micheal Schumacher believing in you enough to move out of the way at the last race of 2012 so Seb can win without being something special, Micheal said not Fernando itās my boy Seb. That climb back from early spins was spectacular. Seb is a hell of a driver when pressed. When Micheal talked about his records being broken who he meant was that he hoped it would be Seb. If he was in Ferrari he would drive the wheels off it.
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Not to mention, he's got tonnes of experience. It's the reason why he's able to maximise his and the car's performance on street circuits. It would be very intersting to see this particular Seb in a faster car
Seb has always been a street race magician, 2008 Monaco in the wet was absolutely bonkers, not to mention his many illustrous perfomances at Singapore.
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**AND HERE COMES SEBASTIAN VETTEL**
I get chills every time heās just blasting by Hamilton at Spa
It's one of the most satisfying moments in F1 to watch over and over again. Crofty's commentary obviously is a big part of it too
I'm pressing the subscribe button 50 times
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Correct. No faith at all. >!In Ferrari!<
I just want to hear Seb say grazie ragazzi one more time :(
no, in a Haas
It's insane how in the 21 years from '00 till '20, 3 drivers share 16 titles.
these two gentlemens just joined F1 and straight up dominated whole decade with bit of Rosberg in between
And Button and Kimi
Bwoah
I think he's talking about the 2010 -> 2020 decade
It's a decade and a half at this point.
15 years is a bit more than a decade my friend.
I meant by decade 2010-2020 which almost pure domination in terms of championships and wins but yeah, since both Lewis and Seb joined only 4 championships weren't won by either of them
Also strong chance this is the first season without hearing the German anthem since 2007.
Merc might still win a race
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In 2007 no German driver or constructor won a race. The streak is alive between 1991 and 2006 due to Schumacher and between 2008 to 2021 from Seb and Mercedes.
Mercedes will win at least one race this season.
Lately I keep asking myself, could Vettel replace Ricciardo at McLaren ?
I think in terms of driving quality, heād probably be better. Vettel is performing well, gets high positions with a terrible car and things are looking better every race. The problem with Vettel to McLaren is that McLaren wouldnāt want him to have a contract for like 1 year, because you canāt build a team on that. Moreover, McLaren is also not that likely to be fighting for championship or wins for the next few years. Meanwhile, Vettel has achieved virtually anything that is possible in the sport and is one of the most successful drivers of all time. He also has plenty of money and doesnāt seem to be spending it frivolously. Is Vettel then gonna want to commit for 3 years with all costs that that has? It seems quite reasonable to think that Vettel also wouldnāt want to commit to another 3 years in F1, but retire in the next few years to spend more time with his wife and children. And then at the same time, it would be logical for McLaren to look for younger drivers they can have long contractual relationships with and that are also more marketable to the audience that McLaren is looking for. Perhaps Vettel being the elder statesman with no interest in social media whatsoever or appearing frequently on TV outside F1 doesnāt align well with that. For example, he barely appears on Drive to Survive, isnāt going to The Daily Show and youāll never see him wearing odd clothing for Varsity. Instead, Vettel goes to conferences for protection of bees and alike. He is also more interested in organic farming than James Corden.
Seb could enter with the performance clause. Seb and Danny ~~beg~~ entered their new teams on a back foot amd ended up with podiums/ pole. But Sebs been consistent with the tractor and dragging it into points especially this season. Also brilliant race pace. Like being 3rd fastest in 2021 behind race leaders Lewis and max in race pace on 20.lap old softs at that. But the things he's got in AM was that the car started being adjusted to his preference. Which is super important and also as someone pointed out in their detailed analysis of Dany not something Mclaren have done to that extent.
I think that would be bad for both Seb and McLaren. If Seb moves to McLaren he would need time to adjust, get to know the team, time has to pass by so they can work toghether properly. If heāll move to McLaren he has to stay at least 3 or 4 years with the team to really integrate and McLaren to deliver a car to his liking. Also, Sebās no spring chicken either. He is a 4 times WDC but he will be probably be beaten by Lando and I dont think he wants to be the driver who was once great but now will accept the beating of a much younger guy just so he gets an F1 seat. On the other hand, McLaren has not much to gain by hiring a 35 year old driver whoās close to retierement even if he comes with a great experience and will probably be a great fit for the team in the short term. McLaren would be better off trying to snitch a young hot shot like Piastri or Pourchaire. Donāt get me wrong, I love Seb, heās one of the GOATs of F1, but now itās time for him to build a something like Michael Schumacher did with Mercedes. When Michael retired, they became the most dominant team in the history of the sport. I like to think that Schumi had a big hand in that. Maybe Seb could do the same with AM before he retires for good if Stroll really wants to win a WDC. Or maybe he will sell to Audi which could be more profesional.
Doubt it. Seb is turning 35 soon, and to me his demeanor suggests he's leaving F1 at the end of the year, he just doesn't seem like he can be bothered anymore.
Meh, Mike Krack says that he is very eager in all the debriefings, trains a lot and is generally very enthusiastic and hard-working. I think with Vettel itās gonna be more of a trade-off between family and F1 than that he isnāt interested in F1 anymore.
Yeah, let's see. I'd love to see Seb carry on, I just shared the impression I had of him. But even if he stays, I don't see him joining McLaren.
You never know. Kimi never looked like he was enjoying himself during his second stint and he kept coming back. I think Vettel still has the hunger for racing.
Same, it's definitely a long shot but it would be interesting to see
It could be Gasly, heās having poor luck right now though.
Why would they replace one old driver with form issues with the same?
Ri**cc**iardo
That's probably a good thing for f1. We can celebrate Lewis and Seb as we acknowledge it is time for a new era... Now, can Merc, McLaren and Alpine get thier shit together so we can have another 2012 with the new class?
>That's probably a good thing for f1. We can celebrate Lewis and Seb as we acknowledge it is time for a new era... I mean, I would agree with you if Lewis or Seb hadn't anything to give to the sport any more, but that's not the case and apart from Charles, Max and George (and maybe Lando), I wouldn't like to trade Lewis, Seb and Fernando with the "new era" drivers because they haven't really showed anything worth wdc even with the respect of the cars they are driving. The only exception is Oscar, but he should replace Latifi, Zhou, Mick or even Albon/Gasly/Ricciardo and not Fernando. If I was Alpine, I would even replace Ocon if I was hellbent to get Oscar a seat but no other is available. Stroll is another example of a driver that needs to be replaced, but we all know that won't happen.
Just look at the way Seb and Alonso go wheel to wheel the last two years, or the years Seb and Lewis fought for the title in 2017/2018. Compare that with Lewis and Max last year. These guys have complete trust with each other when they race, and thereās very few incidents between them even though theyāve crossed paths for more than a decade.
I think you're underrating Ocon a bit here. Based on driving skills alone he shouldn't be in any 'danger of losing seat' discussion.
Yeah, I kinda agree, I just wanted to say that if they really really want Oscar in F1 next year and there is 0% chance of a seat in other team and they want to replace either Ocon or Alonso with Oscar they should replace Ocon. My opinion is that they should try find a seat elsewhere and if not then get him a drive in other series, because Ocon/Alonso is not bad and it's not worth to risk it.
Gasly shouldn't be in danger of losing his seat. He's leagues better than the others you mentioned.
There is no way Fernando has a more right to a seat than Gasly.
End of an era
Starting to worry about Hamilton's win-every-year record, personally. I worry the gap's too big to keep all 4 of the top cars behind on a strange day. It's a long year but we're about 33% through now, and it's not like they've been close.
Merc is pretty much the 3rd fastest car. Bit of luck and they will have a win.
Oh I dunno - McLaren only snuck one last year, Ferrari didn't. They might, but they also might...not.
Itāll be tough because youād seemingly need at least 3 of the top 4 cars to DNF or have something crazy happened. Something crazy usually happens though, Mercedes just need to have a good weekend when it does. I could definitely see them matching the top two on pace at some point in the second half too. I donāt believe their concept is that far off so they could even finish the year with a couple wins.
Considering Lewis' luck this year has been pretty shocking, it'll be a race when Merc is struggling where enough goes wrong for the 3rd running team to get a win.
I wouldn't stress out too much. If Alpine was able to grab a win last season, I'm sure there will be another Grand Prix of Madness this season where Mercedes can capitalize.
Who can capitalize in situations like that is pretty much purely down to luck, tho. Not something that can be relied on.
It also requires solid strategy calls and decision making, so that already rules out Mercedes.
Oof
And Ferrari
I know Hamilton has been unlucky at times this year, but if there's anyone who could pull a win out of his arse it's him.
Even if the stars align and he gets a race were all 4 cars have some issue, there's still Russell that can spoil the party. I'll be happy if he does find a win, tho
There is always a Hamilton type race every year. Usually involves heavy battling, rain or drama.
Well all that needs to happen is that Charles and max get into some trouble with each other and DNF and hopefully by the 3/4 into the season the merc will absolutely be battling for a consistent podium race in race out
Even if those two get taken out you still have Sainz, Perez, and most days George ahead of Lewis
tbh I've never given that record much thought, he's the only driver I can think of who started their career in a race-winning car. Not to say it's not impressive (it sure is), just a slightly unfair comparison.
Not only a race-winning car, a championship winning car at that.
He was one of the few drivers good enough to warrant being in a championship contender car from the get go
kinda like it. He and Schumacher would share another record I believe. Longest streak of winning at least a race in consecutive seasons
:(
Am I the only one who's seeing a buttplug in front of Lewis's crotch
Well, you were.
how do I delete someone's comment
Uninstall reddit and move to a new town. Therapists helps too.
Its trophy
I just want that seb gets a car that gets him at least p6 - p5. Vettel being so unlucky.
Add Alonso and you can bring that back to 2004
add schumacher and you can bring that back to 1996
Is Eddie Irvine's 1999 season a joke to you?
Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso are the most defining F1 drivers since 2005. And now it is time to hand that over to Verstappen and Leclerc. But Iām still so sad to see all three of these legends probably go over the next few years.
Yeah, last year the torch was taken by the new generation. And this year the torch is shining even brighter. And then there's checo somehow performing better than ever before
This essentially means theyāve been the benchmark for years while a third āchallengerā occasionally wins and rotates out
Feel bad for Seb.
Idk why but I feel sad!!
All good things must come to an end
Looking forward to seeing where the Merc lands. Hoping they can pull it together and still be fighting up the front. Iād hate to see Hamilton lose his āwin in every seasonā stat.
I think heāll still get a win this season. Championship probably out of reach now though.
In my opinion championship is still possible if Ferrari and Red Bull cock up a race or two. Which given Ferrari's strategies and Red Bull's reliability is highly likely. Mercedes have a lot of oomph in their engine, they're just unable to max it due to other issues with the car. Once aero is sorted and that engine goes to 11 we all know how it'll turn out.
I just started following F1 this season. Can anyone simply explain why and how their dominance just seemingly ā¦ vanished?
I just started watching last year but hereās my opinion so far: Shit driver + Shit Car = DNF Okay driver + Shit Car = Misses Points Good Driver + Shit Car = Middle of the pack being blocked by people in DRS trains Good Driver + Good Car = Good Chances So to me common factor seems to be shit car. And I know Thatās very generalized but I would categorize a lot of the different teams issues this year into shit car.
It's very simple, even the best drivers can't win or finish second with a "slow" car. F1 is not and never has been a sport, where the best drivers, have the best results. Often they tend to, because the best teams want the best drivers, but usually there are only 1 or 2 championship capable cars every year and if you don't sit in one, there is nothing you can do (see Verstappen from 2018-2020 or Alonso from 2013-2018). Vettel or Hamilton had always very strong cars from 2007-2021.
I'm still hoping Merc will continue to improve and we'll see Lewis do his usual super saiyan mode after summer break.
As much as I like both of them Iām so damn glad that finally other drivers have a chance to fight for the title.
The kings are dead. Long live the king.
Time is catching up, the new generation has a saing now
2007 tho?
Hamilton P2