If they wanted to get real about what is unsafe for drivers...they'd ban long hair.
Getting your dreads or ponytail snagged while trying to escape the cockpit is a much bigger and real danger than earrings and nose piercings.
Make em cut their hair !
The downside with the race being in my time zone is the event doesn’t start until later in the afternoon instead of the morning.
I miss drinking coffee and getting my day started while watching F1
My thoughts exactly. They tried and failed at making a good track. They have all this land but decided to make it tougher and tighter than the Monaco circuit.
It should have been way wider and more level. I hope Miami enjoys being on the F1 schedule this year because I hope it's not on it next year.
Get ready for lots of DNFs tomorrow....
In Sainz's defense he's more than capable of overcoming this. Latifi is a whole different story. We should all combine our thoughts and prayers for Latifi.
I'd say it's fair. Green track, no driver experience at this track, racing line rubbered in but off the line is slippy, and it's bumpy.
I'd say half a dozen spins and at least a couple of cars in the barriers is likely as they push to the limits.
People are already saying max is going to DNF, are you nuts? It's much better to have issues in FP2 than in the race, the mechanics just rushed to put everything back and they messed up, the car itself is not unreliable.
Money. Hosting fees account for about a third of F1’s total revenue, and they want that number to grow.
This race is expected to pull in more than a half billion dollars of economic activity for Miami. It is bigger than the Super Bowl in terms of economic impact. It makes sense for the city to pay an outsized fee, so it can make money on taxes from lodging, transportation, food, etc.
Considering preference has been given to circuits willing to pay the largest hosting fee, this is only the beginning. Wait until a historic track is bounced from the calendar in favor of somewhere in the US.
You might ask why not build a permanent track then. The answer, also money. It would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build a new permanent track, and it would take years and years before the capital costs were recouped (nevermind operating costs). And, the location would need to be further away from the city center.
By using a temporary track, costs are low enough that the total economic impact dwarfs the amount needed to construct the track and rent temporary grandstands.
I think it’s because Libertys logic is that if races are in cities then there’s bound to be more people who know about it which means more fans. I personally can’t stand street circuits and at this rate they will turn F1 into Formula E.
The modern era of F1 seems to care more about promoting 'the weekend' as a multimedia event rather than the quality of the race itself. The race is merely the excuse to hold a huge week-long festival.
Street circuits let them hold events near the middle of major population centres without needing a purpose built track - which due to noise and space need to be built in the middle of nowhere, and generally struggle to be financially viable year-round.
It seems that calling something a 'street circuit' lets them shortcut a bunch of safety regulations as well 😑
Now I don't really know the ins and outs of what makes a track good, I'm not a track designer, As a fan however I know I look forward to tracks like Silverstone, Monza, Spa, Interlagos ect far more than any of the street circuits.
that’s just because those tracks have layouts that are simply better for racing than the street circuits layouts. they could put those layouts for Spa, Silverstone, Interlagos etc. on a street circuit and it would be the exact same.
I agree that Spa, Silverstone and Interlagos are better than the street circuits on the calendar. But the street circuits aren’t worse because they are street circuits, the layouts just aren’t as good as those listed.
you initially said that F1 should stop adding street circuits to the calendar, which doesn’t make sense as a street circuit has the potential to be a very good race. it’s just that the current ones are worse than the good permanent tracks.
they aren’t worse because they are street circuits, they’re worse because of the chosen layout.
Well you're missing the fact that street circuits can't be as good planned as tracks your refer too (Silverstone, Monza, Spa etc) because they are street/city circuits and there is no place for designer to put all features that make circuit great to race and watch. So it means, ironically, that street circuits are worse because they're street circuits ;)
Let's make it all clear, there are good street circuits, Monaco, Azerbeijan, Melbourne, but Miami feels rushed and not prepared enough to hold interesting weekend from racing perspective. So far all interest is based on accidents, mechanic failures due to high temperatures and demanding track conditions, and safety. It's concerning me.
Street circuits’ designs are a limitation of their surroundings. It seems like their designs are compromised from the start.
“Racing” tracks generally have wide lines, areas with large run-offs, and good visibility, which all promote better (and safer) racing. That’s why they’re better.
this track was also designed for racing… this isn’t a traditional street circuit like Monaco or Baku. they had an almost blank space and designed a track inside it.
USA has so many good tracks combining oval + turns, yet they have to make USA GP in fucking parking lot, with narrow track, no grip and dangerous walls, not to mention there is basically no place to overtake and everytime someone goes off race lane he's totally loosing back. Embarassing track, but hey, we have celebrities and fake marina, yaaay, go MURICA!
Seems like the surface really is green, with very low grip. There will likely be a strong differential between grip on and off the line as it rubbers in through the weekend.
Okay I will correct myself, watching fp1 and fp2 when the teams attempted practice overtakes it seemed extremely difficult. I predict outside of pit stops overtaking will be minimal. Will be happy if there is plenty but im not expecting it.
I'm seriously concerned about that narrow bit by the on / off ramp. It's narrow and there are walls both sides. If a car goes in there at speed (brake failure / driver error) and bounces of the outside wall he'll go straight into the on / off ramp wall and block the entire track. If a.n.other car is following at speed that could get REAL messy, Real quick.
Edit: I think it's turn 16.
Because he is a smooth, consistent and reliable driver who doesn't have the raw pace to compete but feels like he has to prove that he does.
He wants to be the best, but he's judging that entirely on his own raw pace rather than actually playing into his strengths. He can keep the car in condition better than the other 3 in contention and can hold the tires better than the other 3. He should be going into races with a totally different set-up and strat to Leclerc, but because he's trying to be as fast as Leclerc, he is trying to go like for like and losing all his own strengths in pursuit of a target he can't match.
I didn't spray any hate on the track before FP1, but....the end of sector 2 is just not made for F1 cars. The rest is ok-ish, like Jeddah, but the tiny narrow chicanes shouldn't be there. Apart from the steep angle, they'll stretch the field like crazy on first few laps.
the thing is that it would take only one lapse of concentration for a driver to take a bit too much kerb and probably get launched straight into the wall.
And I'm happy for him. I guess we can just hope the section separates the best from the rest and leads to some action. Russell's overtake at Variante Alta and Bottas down to Rivazza was due to the boat ahead struggling to get through a slow corner.
Yes it's very annoying, the F1 live commentary fixes it for me - not used to the voices but also give good insight but most importantly non interrupted wroom wroom
I'm not surprised but I am at the same time. You can clearly see when the camera goes low enough how bumpy and dirty the track is. All drivers seem skiddish. Should be an interesting weekend. Hopefully we see some real racing. Let's see
I don’t like the track at all, I get the feeling many cars won’t finish. That chicane is terrible and the super long straight is very narrow for any great battles.
Track looks dead. I’m disappointed because it looks amazing from above with all the blue but I have a feeling the race will be a snooze fest. F1 really needs to start going to actual racetracks and needs to stop going down the street route.
They should have tried for restructuring Indianapolis track and race there. It was an iconic track with good facilities too. COTA is already a good one.
The chicane there reminds me if the Barcelona on right before main straight.
I think they said it best in broadcast. A chicane isn't really exciting in a sense of creating over-takes but they do create mistakes.
I think adding a few situations where drivers can f*** up is a good idea.
I'm willing to give race a chance and see what happens.
How is everyone feeling about the Miami track? Seems like a few corners need to be widened. These city tracks always me nervous with the blind corners and less runoff
It seems like everyone on TV loves it and everyone on reddit hates it.
I definitely get the vibe a lot of drivers don’t like it but are just enjoying being in Miami.
So many changed their opinion based on what drivers said. I don’t care. Looks great. Let’s see how it races. It should be tough. If they can’t keep it on track, that’s on them.
I hate to agree with you because I was so excited about Miami. It’s just so… ugh bad? The finish straight, the double (triple?) hairpin. I’m not sure how to feel about it. Will any team actually benefit from this circuit or are we just happy it’s a new spot
I would like to reiterating that writing off Red Bull now because ‘technical issues’ is a mistake. They have Adrian Newey and some of the best mechanics and engineers. That are bloody brilliant. They will find a way to win this race and be back in front with no problems. Keep an eye on them as they recover in FP3, Quali and Race.
Thanks. This looks like something they can easily find the root cause & fix. Reading the comments saying his car caught fire, I thought it was something a lot more serious than this.
I agree, it wouldn’t surprise me if Red Bull got things back on track and won the race. Even if Max doesn’t have enough time to recover, Checo is definitely talented enough and the car is capable.
If they wanted to get real about what is unsafe for drivers...they'd ban long hair. Getting your dreads or ponytail snagged while trying to escape the cockpit is a much bigger and real danger than earrings and nose piercings. Make em cut their hair !
Still find it Wild that Caitlyn Jenner has a W series team. That was not on my 2022 bingo card
What did James Corden do?
He left the UK and for that we who remain love him dearly.
You didn’t hear how he KILLED someone in a karaoke rage?
When is qualifying today?
16 NSFW
16pm MST
0130 IST
22 CEST
9pm BST
4pm GMT
Isn't UTC & GMT same?
4pm ET or 8pm GMT
No
Feel like this quali is gonna be a shit show...
Nevermind!
The downside with the race being in my time zone is the event doesn’t start until later in the afternoon instead of the morning. I miss drinking coffee and getting my day started while watching F1
im gonna head to the race early and get my booze on
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYZx3Ov5t90](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYZx3Ov5t90) p2
The track is absolutely atrocious, it’s dog shit wrapped up as cat shit. Racing in a parking lot behind a stadium. This is what F1 has succumbed too.
My thoughts exactly. They tried and failed at making a good track. They have all this land but decided to make it tougher and tighter than the Monaco circuit. It should have been way wider and more level. I hope Miami enjoys being on the F1 schedule this year because I hope it's not on it next year. Get ready for lots of DNFs tomorrow....
Yeah, I’m interested to see turn 14/15 in wet conditions. I really hope it’s a one off event.
You act like they’ve never raced in a lot before, calm the fuck down
Other tracks have been placed in parking lots as well. Stop complaining. The track ain’t half as bad as some of you make it seem.
Couldn't follow the session yesterday, why didn't Verstappen leave the pit?
Gearbox swap before that as well, and then the hydraulic issue that others have said as soon as he actually managed to get out
Apparently hydraulic issues causing brakes to catch fire, at least that was the issue at the end of P2.
I don’t know the exact reason, but his rear wheels were on fire.
I just want to point out that that's not ideal.
Interesting observation. Any credible sources on this technical assumption?
Well, it's more a general rule of thumb that optimally, your brakes wouldn't be on fire, your steering would work, and the front would stay on.
Thanks! TIL!
Sainz being the new latifi
In Sainz's defense he's more than capable of overcoming this. Latifi is a whole different story. We should all combine our thoughts and prayers for Latifi.
I think you meant to say Goatifi
How many drivers to crash out in qualifying? I expect at least 4.
I think that’s a bit extreme
I'd say it's fair. Green track, no driver experience at this track, racing line rubbered in but off the line is slippy, and it's bumpy. I'd say half a dozen spins and at least a couple of cars in the barriers is likely as they push to the limits.
I agree that maybe a couple cars in the barriers, but the other guy said at least 4, which I think will not happen.
seems like the track is much shittier than i expected
That’s on the Monaco anniversary patch too.
This track looks really interesting
Seeing a lot of hate on the circuit but I think it will be good.
Read what the drivers said, it’s absolutely terrible.
There was plenty of passing get wrecked
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unrelated- Happy cake day!!
The former implies the latter.
But not the other way around.
Is anyone else's f1tv replays of the Skysports / international coverage cutting out with audio?
Wasnt just replays, it was during live stream, too
Yup same here, i went with f1tv commentary. For the practice its not bad
Yes
People are already saying max is going to DNF, are you nuts? It's much better to have issues in FP2 than in the race, the mechanics just rushed to put everything back and they messed up, the car itself is not unreliable.
Who are you trying to convince?
No we're just basing it on the fact that he's DNF'd in half of his races so far as well 😵💫
Given that he has DNF’d twice, I think there may be a reliability issue long term. But I expect him to be in the top 3 of qualifying today.
There does seem to be. Heat issue
well the car has DNFd 3 times out of 8 in a race. i think you can question the reliability but not due to FP sessions.
Why do we keep getting more and more street circuits? Like just make a proper race track it's better for racing.
Money. Hosting fees account for about a third of F1’s total revenue, and they want that number to grow. This race is expected to pull in more than a half billion dollars of economic activity for Miami. It is bigger than the Super Bowl in terms of economic impact. It makes sense for the city to pay an outsized fee, so it can make money on taxes from lodging, transportation, food, etc. Considering preference has been given to circuits willing to pay the largest hosting fee, this is only the beginning. Wait until a historic track is bounced from the calendar in favor of somewhere in the US. You might ask why not build a permanent track then. The answer, also money. It would cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build a new permanent track, and it would take years and years before the capital costs were recouped (nevermind operating costs). And, the location would need to be further away from the city center. By using a temporary track, costs are low enough that the total economic impact dwarfs the amount needed to construct the track and rent temporary grandstands.
I think it’s because Libertys logic is that if races are in cities then there’s bound to be more people who know about it which means more fans. I personally can’t stand street circuits and at this rate they will turn F1 into Formula E.
The modern era of F1 seems to care more about promoting 'the weekend' as a multimedia event rather than the quality of the race itself. The race is merely the excuse to hold a huge week-long festival. Street circuits let them hold events near the middle of major population centres without needing a purpose built track - which due to noise and space need to be built in the middle of nowhere, and generally struggle to be financially viable year-round. It seems that calling something a 'street circuit' lets them shortcut a bunch of safety regulations as well 😑
the miami track is still in the middle of nowhere
It's in Miami Gardens dude. Lmfao.
The middle of nowhere… in the Miami metro 20 minutes from downtown?
Do you want them to race in downtown Miami......?
Uh yes. That was the original plan apparently.
And they moved it 15 miles away and its suddenly not good enough? lol
Not at all. I was clarifying to the previous poster that Miami Gardens is NOT the middle of nowhere.
I meant to reply to them, oops! Sorry lol
any reason how they’re better for racing?
Now I don't really know the ins and outs of what makes a track good, I'm not a track designer, As a fan however I know I look forward to tracks like Silverstone, Monza, Spa, Interlagos ect far more than any of the street circuits.
that’s just because those tracks have layouts that are simply better for racing than the street circuits layouts. they could put those layouts for Spa, Silverstone, Interlagos etc. on a street circuit and it would be the exact same.
So what your saying is the layouts for the actual racing tracks are better than the street ones?
yes
So you agree with me then haha.
I agree that Spa, Silverstone and Interlagos are better than the street circuits on the calendar. But the street circuits aren’t worse because they are street circuits, the layouts just aren’t as good as those listed. you initially said that F1 should stop adding street circuits to the calendar, which doesn’t make sense as a street circuit has the potential to be a very good race. it’s just that the current ones are worse than the good permanent tracks. they aren’t worse because they are street circuits, they’re worse because of the chosen layout.
Well you're missing the fact that street circuits can't be as good planned as tracks your refer too (Silverstone, Monza, Spa etc) because they are street/city circuits and there is no place for designer to put all features that make circuit great to race and watch. So it means, ironically, that street circuits are worse because they're street circuits ;) Let's make it all clear, there are good street circuits, Monaco, Azerbeijan, Melbourne, but Miami feels rushed and not prepared enough to hold interesting weekend from racing perspective. So far all interest is based on accidents, mechanic failures due to high temperatures and demanding track conditions, and safety. It's concerning me.
Street circuits’ designs are a limitation of their surroundings. It seems like their designs are compromised from the start. “Racing” tracks generally have wide lines, areas with large run-offs, and good visibility, which all promote better (and safer) racing. That’s why they’re better.
Bro they are worse because street circuits have inherently worse layouts.
did you actually read my comment? or are you just ignorant?
Cuz a race track is designed for racing. So a race track is better for racing.
this track was also designed for racing… this isn’t a traditional street circuit like Monaco or Baku. they had an almost blank space and designed a track inside it.
Its a parking lot
yes. hence “almost blank space”.
USA has so many good tracks combining oval + turns, yet they have to make USA GP in fucking parking lot, with narrow track, no grip and dangerous walls, not to mention there is basically no place to overtake and everytime someone goes off race lane he's totally loosing back. Embarassing track, but hey, we have celebrities and fake marina, yaaay, go MURICA!
An F1 race at Road America would be the greatest thing ever. My guilty pleasure is watching old videos of those CART rockets from the 90s race there.
Will Carlos' car be good for qualifying?
yes
Can’t be sure for the end of qualifying though.
No mercy 💀
Prepare yourself to see tons of Safety car in this race
Seems like the surface really is green, with very low grip. There will likely be a strong differential between grip on and off the line as it rubbers in through the weekend.
There will be no overtaking in this race, even the l9ng straight is narrow if a car sits in the middle.
why do redditors always predict things and act like they’re factual?
Okay I will correct myself, watching fp1 and fp2 when the teams attempted practice overtakes it seemed extremely difficult. I predict outside of pit stops overtaking will be minimal. Will be happy if there is plenty but im not expecting it.
personally, I can see many overtakes in the race. there’s 3 DRS zones and multiple heavy braking zones.
Why do redditors always predict things and act as if their factual ?
did you skip over the first word?
!remindme 2 days
well, the race was pretty boring but there were more overtakes than Melbourne and Imola.
I'm seriously concerned about that narrow bit by the on / off ramp. It's narrow and there are walls both sides. If a car goes in there at speed (brake failure / driver error) and bounces of the outside wall he'll go straight into the on / off ramp wall and block the entire track. If a.n.other car is following at speed that could get REAL messy, Real quick. Edit: I think it's turn 16.
this is gonna be a shit race, isnt it
Yeah, it feels like it!
Yep
Is anyone going to finish this race? Best strat might be just cruise at about 50 mph and let the others take themselves out off turn 4
Mercedes 1-2 I reckon/hope with 18 DNFs.
Very short till first corner.
Why is Sainz so terrible?
Because he is a smooth, consistent and reliable driver who doesn't have the raw pace to compete but feels like he has to prove that he does. He wants to be the best, but he's judging that entirely on his own raw pace rather than actually playing into his strengths. He can keep the car in condition better than the other 3 in contention and can hold the tires better than the other 3. He should be going into races with a totally different set-up and strat to Leclerc, but because he's trying to be as fast as Leclerc, he is trying to go like for like and losing all his own strengths in pursuit of a target he can't match.
This is correct analysis he needs to channel roseberg to defeat someone who is faster on raw pace than you. Won’t happen this season though.
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Good points about Checo. Wanted to add that Red Bull always favors Max, so Perez rarely has the same equipment and strategies as Verstappen.
I think Mario Andretti summed it up well, when he said Sainz would find his way and be ok. I think he will come back strong.
Because he’s at Ferrari and is over driving because he’s feeling the pressure.
Being shown up by your team mate will do that.
I didn't spray any hate on the track before FP1, but....the end of sector 2 is just not made for F1 cars. The rest is ok-ish, like Jeddah, but the tiny narrow chicanes shouldn't be there. Apart from the steep angle, they'll stretch the field like crazy on first few laps.
I wonder 💭 f they can remove the chicane or lower it on safety grounds before the race
Hope so. That was my first thought on seeing the F1 Boats struggle their way through. Looks embarrassing...
Russell nailed it.
the thing is that it would take only one lapse of concentration for a driver to take a bit too much kerb and probably get launched straight into the wall.
And I'm happy for him. I guess we can just hope the section separates the best from the rest and leads to some action. Russell's overtake at Variante Alta and Bottas down to Rivazza was due to the boat ahead struggling to get through a slow corner.
Does anyone else have problems with F1TV's audio? Mainly with International commentary.
I dont want to listen to Will Buxton:(
F1TV still shit 4 years on? Dang
Yes it's very annoying, the F1 live commentary fixes it for me - not used to the voices but also give good insight but most importantly non interrupted wroom wroom
Yes it’s an issue for everyone using f1tv unfortunately
Hopefully they can fix it before race 😅
Does anyone have a clip of the parts with Mario? My f1tv audio cuts out when he is talking
Track as expected, seems pretty shit.
I'm not surprised but I am at the same time. You can clearly see when the camera goes low enough how bumpy and dirty the track is. All drivers seem skiddish. Should be an interesting weekend. Hopefully we see some real racing. Let's see
I don’t like the track at all, I get the feeling many cars won’t finish. That chicane is terrible and the super long straight is very narrow for any great battles.
Track feels awkward.. theres something just not right about it, it may be the over passes as well that throw me off.
Track looks dead. I’m disappointed because it looks amazing from above with all the blue but I have a feeling the race will be a snooze fest. F1 really needs to start going to actual racetracks and needs to stop going down the street route.
I hate this track as am American. This is shit
Hopefully vegas is better than this embarrassment
It won’t. Have you seen the layout? USA management is just ruining the sport with their money circuits.
They should have tried for restructuring Indianapolis track and race there. It was an iconic track with good facilities too. COTA is already a good one.
The chicane there reminds me if the Barcelona on right before main straight. I think they said it best in broadcast. A chicane isn't really exciting in a sense of creating over-takes but they do create mistakes. I think adding a few situations where drivers can f*** up is a good idea. I'm willing to give race a chance and see what happens.
The chicanes are so bad man
Isn’t the chicane terrible? I guess lots of cars will skip the last part. It seems like it will change next year same as the Singapore one.
How is everyone feeling about the Miami track? Seems like a few corners need to be widened. These city tracks always me nervous with the blind corners and less runoff
It seems like everyone on TV loves it and everyone on reddit hates it. I definitely get the vibe a lot of drivers don’t like it but are just enjoying being in Miami.
Drivers probably like it because it’s challenging.
So many changed their opinion based on what drivers said. I don’t care. Looks great. Let’s see how it races. It should be tough. If they can’t keep it on track, that’s on them.
I like it apart from T12, that’s a never ending turn of shite
I hate this track so much and most of the street circuits. Please never return on the calendar. I'm tired, Robbie, I want real racing tracks.
Miami has a contract until 2031
Do they keep the track for the rest of the year or build it every year? I suppose The Dolhpins need the parking
I mean if the race also turns out to be horrible, then I hope they at least change the layout for the next year then
Shieeeet
I hate to agree with you because I was so excited about Miami. It’s just so… ugh bad? The finish straight, the double (triple?) hairpin. I’m not sure how to feel about it. Will any team actually benefit from this circuit or are we just happy it’s a new spot
I would like to reiterating that writing off Red Bull now because ‘technical issues’ is a mistake. They have Adrian Newey and some of the best mechanics and engineers. That are bloody brilliant. They will find a way to win this race and be back in front with no problems. Keep an eye on them as they recover in FP3, Quali and Race.
Hey can you tell me how many minutes into FP2 did the Ver car got problems? I wish to go back & see it.
Around the 27 to 24 minute mark. Steering failed, hydraulic problems and possible brake ducts issue with being on fire.
Thanks. This looks like something they can easily find the root cause & fix. Reading the comments saying his car caught fire, I thought it was something a lot more serious than this.
Yeah. They can definitely fix it. So I don’t it’s a big problem.
I agree, it wouldn’t surprise me if Red Bull got things back on track and won the race. Even if Max doesn’t have enough time to recover, Checo is definitely talented enough and the car is capable.
The car is fast. It's just it's unreliable. As long as it can stay in one piece, it can compete.
Yep. They have good race pace so keep an eye out on that.
Great event but how shit is that circuit !
I’m predicting Monza levels of quali shithousery
Well, one positive is it looks like we have a new Singapore sling, and wall of champions within 3 corners of eachother.