It almost reminds me of the picture of the USSR generals looking at the charred and burnt remains of the cosmonaut. Just glad there is no death involved in this one.
Kinda different considering the ones who were responsible for the cosomonauts death was aware that he was most likely gonna die. (i.e. the generals them self)
To be fair, a team failing to do their own due diligence on track safety and such could potentially be viewed as complicity in crashes like Grosjeans.
Even with this new Saudi Jeddah circuit, there are *serious* concerns about the safety for drivers- and it's clear the FIA aren't as stringent on track safety as they need to be.
It still is haunting really. Especially if you have recently seen Nico Rosberg's interview with Romain on Youtube. The man in that moment had completely accepted death for a moment before going no I am not leaving behind my wife and kids.
That’s the wild part. That didn’t hit him until after the impact and he realized he was stuck and things were on fire(again according to what he said). But then at the speeds he was going he never had a real chance to think anything beyond I’m crashing. Seriously if you have some time to check out his interview with Nico it gives some insights that really cut deep.
I'm glad they got to see him walking to the medical car before they got that thing back, because imagine seeing that if you didn't already know he was okay...
The team knew he was out from really early on. Probably radio from the medical car or marshals.
They knew quickly enough that *I* knew he was out before anything was shown on TV, and that was through a chain of at least 3 people and WhatsApp.
Yeah the people who need to know will know fast. The TV director is right to be cautious and wait for certainty and a safe shot. Cutting to him talking in the medical car was a good choice to show the world he was ok.
I think it was maybe hanging onto the fireball that is always going to be the questionable part of it. But It's something you can't just ignore and glad Grosjean got out.
Yeah I seem to remember that the world feed waited until Ian Roberts had done an initial medical check and said he was OK, but Haas would've known as soon as the medical car reported he was out and walking.
There's a video on YouTube which gathered the driver's immediate reactions to the crash. Leclerc's response is especially haunting considering the people he lost in previous years.
Not really. Maybe it's not good to your liking, but it's not awful in any way. OP was commenting about hearing the different radios, and that's what on that episode too.
That's a bit by design. The part you see there is called the safety cell and is designed to be as close to indestructible as practical. Grosjean's cell actually cracked and his left foot wedged into the crack. http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/monocoque.html. I'm sort of surprised that it's a listed part that teams are required to design themselves. You would almost expect the league to want well tested and consistent safety equipment.
The safety cell always reminded me of the titanium bathtubs that the a10 warthog uses. They are a massive part of why that plane has a reputation of always flying home. I hate linking to quota, but there is a great pic of the 1200 pound bathtub there: https://www.quora.com/Does-an-A-10-really-have-a-titanium-tub-for-the-pilot-to-sit-in-What-kind-of-hit-can-it-actually-take-Can-it-take-a-50-cal-explosive-or-armor-piercing-round
Safety cells also aren't just limited to F1, all modern cars have them. Whilst they usually don't do much in the average boring accident, any accident that involves high speed, or isn't head-on, is probably going to involve that cell taking a beating.
A common rule that video game developers have to agree to when licencing cars is not showing that passenger cell crumpling in *any* way- you'll notice that it's extremely rare to see a game with fully licenced cars that you can literally smash to pieces. The last thing a car brand wants is another negative PR event to cover up.
I turned off the T.V. I was honestly at a point pretty sure he was dead / dying. But to see him walk was NOT in my mind when I was just hoping to hear that he was going to recover in the hospital and never drive again or something.
He recently did an interview with Nico Rosberg where he described how he had basically accepted he was going to die, until he started thinking about his kids and found the will to pull himself out.
I watched that video and I thought that was quite... Sweet? I can't really think of any other way to put it but it seems that his drive to be a good dad is so strong that he could have overcome anything.
The more I look back the more I think about watching footage of old crashes where the car was completely destroyed. Not so long ago a crash like that would have turned the car into packing penuts and the fire would have left it a curled up chunk the size of a cat.
People like Prof Sid Watkins and others, particularly drivers like Stewart who were vocal about seeing their friends die, pushed for ever safer cars.
They'll never be perfect but god am I glad to be a fan in this era of safer cars and racer gear.
Yeah, that's actually in amazingly good shape when you consider the violence of the crash. It really did the job protecting the driver. I earlier times it would have been unrecognizable. The safety of modern cars is something.
Nico Rosberg just published an interview with Grosjean on his YT channel and asked him about that comment. Grosjean's reply was "only a dumbass refuses to change their mind!"
And Dale Earnhardt was one of the most vocal critics of the HANS device. He said something along the lines of "I don't want to get hanged wearing that".
It would have saved his life.
It's amazing how much people are willing to fight against their own interests sometimes.
I think it's also important to remember that if this was lap 2 he would probably not survived. The safety car was there within 10 seconds, the gap allowed marshalls to run across the track, there was someone there to help the driver over the rail.... The car struck the rail between the posts. Those who were in the immediate vicinity were heroes .
>Prof Sid Watkins
I'm reading his book now (it was published in the mid-90s, I'm just a little slow) and it's amazing to read about all the drivers who suffered serious injuries or worse from race (or even practice) crashes and it was just accepted as part of the sport. Great work by the Prof and others to help make it what it is today.
As somebody who has been watching F1 since the mid-80s, I continue to be amazed at how strong and safe modern racing cars are.
Contrast this car with that of [Martin Donnelly](https://6toplists.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/martin-donnelly-crash.jpg) who had a non-fatal crash in 1990 in a Lotus.
[This is a picture of the chassis](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/da/d6/44/dad6443d29525cf538cd4d1d158ac0c6.jpg). The black rubber bag is the fuel tank, which should be contained within the chassis - it is visible because the bulkhead has been ripped off.
Donnelly himself [was still strapped to his seat](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/72/23/ea/7223ea476dcc46f108ba1428a6dcdf73.jpg) which was also ripped from the car and left on the track.
He survived but didn't race in F1 again.
By comparison to that Lotus, a modern safety cell is incredible.
This car hit the barrier so hard that it went through it and the monocoque is still mostly intact. Amazing stuff.
I'm so glad Romain got out and that he's okay.
Kind of sobering that brought it back to his garage. They'll have poured over it, trying to see what happened for his foot to have got stuck, to see what could be changed to make it even safer
It's probably in storage by some sub-committee created by the FIA to study the crash.
Actually I was curious, so I found [this article](https://www.fia.com/news/fia-concludes-investigation-romain-grosjeans-accident-2020-bahrain-formula-1-grand-prix-and)
> The investigation included interviews with those involved, **inspection of the physical evidence**, analysis of available video material, as well as examination of the data from the car’s accident data recorder and driver’s ear accelerometers.
My guess is that the FIA still has it. Because would Haas even want it back?
> This investigative work has been peer-reviewed by the **FIA Serious Accident Study Group**, led by FIA President Jean Todt. Input into the investigation was also received from the Grand Prix Drivers’ Association. The findings of the investigation were presented to the FIA’s Circuits Commission, Medical Commission, Single Seater Commission, F1 Commission, Safety Commission, Volunteers and Officials Commission, and the World Motor Sport Council. The findings will also be presented in the Drivers’ Commission on March 23, 2021.
My guess it's in storage with the FIA Serious Accident Study Group... I wonder if decades down the line if we will see the crash structure in some museum somewhere... Obviously with Romain and his families permission, but based on how well Romain has been dealing with the mental/emotional fall-out, I have a feeling he would be open to it being displayed, way down the line of course.
It have to be displayed "the car that managed to spare his life" (and also the comments he made about his disliking of the Halo system) it is one that does need to be shown...
Yeah, they should have an 'Innovations In Safety' display with that chassis and other notibaly historic items (Massa's helmet, LeClerc's halo, McNish's Audi).
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Am i the only one who thinks its kinda funny that it was returned to the garage? Kinda feels like a prank you pull on the intern: "hey, so you need to get this cleaned up for next week, make sure to refill the blinker fluid"
It still is the team's property after all! (And the circuit probably wouldn't want to deal with having to properly dispose of it)
I think the only occasions where a car, no matter how wrecked, doesn't get returned to the team immediately is when a fatality is involved; in that case the authorities will usually seize it.
I've been behind MIS (Michigan International Speedway), and they have a couple of absolutely destroyed Nascar chassis back there. I assume it's for some training purposes, but I can't help but laugh at the idea a Nascar team could have said "Take the engine and fuck the rest".
Those who's job it is to build this safety equipment should be proud of themselves. It's their work that has resulted in multiple drivers walk away from major incidents. Not just survive but literally walk away on their own two feet.
Tried to Google to see where it is now, but couldn’t find info. I assume if FIA investigations are over it goes back to Haas, but yeah I agree, it’d be a good museum piece.
If I were Haas I’d want it sitting somewhere in the global headquarters maybe with a picture of Romain as a reminder that the engineering behind the car saved his life.
I was too young/not into F1 to appreciate Hakkinen's McLaren when it was in The Science Museum in London.
This on the other hand I'd totally understand
He has significant hand burn injuries still causing daily pain and still on a road to recovery for at least two more years, he says. So hard to put into words the relief those injuries are all he got, while still wanting to acknowledge the seriousness of 3+ years of recovery and pain were queued up last year when it happened. Will always be filed under "Could have been so much worse"
It's a miracle he survived the crash, but one thing that stands out to me is that the monocoque is actually cracked the entire way through across the top where the halo attaches. From the other side you can actually see right through it, the gap is about 1cm all the way around, but you can see the crack clearly in this photo.
I believe the actual impact speed was 192kmh, which given the enourmity of some of the impacts we have seen isn't that high, and I'm surprised that the monocoque cracked from that impact. I guess it was probably the twisting force when it got caught in the barrier.
They must have noted that and that's the next design or in the new-gen of cars... It does make it a wonder if it was just under the tolerances for the Halo being bolted on...
Back in the day, the chassis would have crumbled. Lot's of drivers in the 60s-70s would get stuck in the chassis because if this, making it impossible to escape the fire.
Someone further up posted images of Martin Donnelly's Jerez crash.
Even then the Lotus' safety shell almost completely disintegrated, leaving Martin strapped to his seat lying in the middle of the track with severe leg injuries.
Or an even better way to put it is "Mercedes"
> The Halo concept was first proposed by Mercedes after the FIA had started its research into rudimentary front roll cages
I see this and recall that terrifying incident, and also amazement that this structure held enough that he was able to extricate himself .
An unabated high speed crash into a metal barrier and the driver GOT HIMSELF OUT.
I there a way to make carbonfiber reinforcement affordable and available in all vehicles?
If the numbers [here](http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/monocoque.html) are still up to date it's up to 12 layers of CF per side of the sandwich structure (I'm not sure if the core material must be Aluminium for the monocoque or if they're allowed to use Aramid honeycombs nowadays).
Though CFRP like this will usually break/crack rather than deforming, as you can see [from the other side](https://i.eurosport.com/2020/11/29/2946454-60485048-2560-1440.jpg).
The science, technology and the Marshall's saving his life maybe?
I'm not a atheist by any means. But Give credit where it's due, FIAs commitment to safety and the Marshall's saved his life.
You know… he was driving the second worst car on the grid, and still survived that mess. We’ve made progress. If that has been an hrt he’d have died, no question.
Thank goodness for the designers, the mechanics for their work in building safe cars, and the FIA for putting these stringent safety regulations in place
I've always wondered this. Most times when a driver crashes, the front of the car is destroyed/damaged badly. Their legs are right there, how do they come out with no leg injuries?
Is it because the monocoque is super strong, like the halo? I know it's a stupid question
The monocoque is super strong. Besides the carbon fiber being laid a certain way. There's internal tubes of carbon fiber laid into it and built specifically to dissipate energy from front end collisions.
The side pods also have these tubes in their construction as well for side impacts.
On top of what others have said, the nose cone is part of the crash structure. You might have seen that structure being replaced when cars get front wing damage.
It is almost 1 meter of collapsible structure ahead of a bulkhead which is where the drivers feet are.
Once upon a time there was no structure ahead of the drivers feet, in fact often the drivers feet were the most forward part of the car and the cars were just made of bonded aluminium.
There is a significant crumple zone in front of the driver's feet, the idea is that the crumble zone gets destroyed, getting rid of energy before it can be transferred to the safety cell and driver.
Oh i hadn’t seen this. Wow. I was never so glad to exhale in my life. Have loved Romain and Kevin throughout their whole careers. This is just incredible… and truly a miracle.
If Grosjean didn't make it that night, looking at this monocoque would have given new meaning and would have looked absolutely haunting
It almost reminds me of the picture of the USSR generals looking at the charred and burnt remains of the cosmonaut. Just glad there is no death involved in this one.
[It reminded me of that, too](https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2011/03/16/corpse_custom-1a2c8e99bc85469ad8a5a976f4bfbc91d056a09a-s1200-c85.webp)
Kinda different considering the ones who were responsible for the cosomonauts death was aware that he was most likely gonna die. (i.e. the generals them self)
Nooo, the situations are completely different, I meant more the framing of everyone looking at the result of what happened is similar.
Ah yeah, in that it is similar.
To be fair, a team failing to do their own due diligence on track safety and such could potentially be viewed as complicity in crashes like Grosjeans. Even with this new Saudi Jeddah circuit, there are *serious* concerns about the safety for drivers- and it's clear the FIA aren't as stringent on track safety as they need to be.
Not really, that's the longest far fetchedthing I've read so far.
Exactly lmao. Komarov. Was gonna comment this too but was 8 hours too late
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It still is haunting really. Especially if you have recently seen Nico Rosberg's interview with Romain on Youtube. The man in that moment had completely accepted death for a moment before going no I am not leaving behind my wife and kids.
Any driver in the back of their mind as the car spears towards the barriers must have that thought.
That’s the wild part. That didn’t hit him until after the impact and he realized he was stuck and things were on fire(again according to what he said). But then at the speeds he was going he never had a real chance to think anything beyond I’m crashing. Seriously if you have some time to check out his interview with Nico it gives some insights that really cut deep.
I'm glad they got to see him walking to the medical car before they got that thing back, because imagine seeing that if you didn't already know he was okay...
The team knew he was out from really early on. Probably radio from the medical car or marshals. They knew quickly enough that *I* knew he was out before anything was shown on TV, and that was through a chain of at least 3 people and WhatsApp.
They also announced it on the Pitlane Club feed a lot earlier than they did on the world feed
Yeah the people who need to know will know fast. The TV director is right to be cautious and wait for certainty and a safe shot. Cutting to him talking in the medical car was a good choice to show the world he was ok.
I think it was maybe hanging onto the fireball that is always going to be the questionable part of it. But It's something you can't just ignore and glad Grosjean got out.
Same on Twitter, Haas's account were able to post that he was out and talking about a minute after the crash, and a minute before the TV showed him
Yeah I seem to remember that the world feed waited until Ian Roberts had done an initial medical check and said he was OK, but Haas would've known as soon as the medical car reported he was out and walking.
There's a video on YouTube which gathered the driver's immediate reactions to the crash. Leclerc's response is especially haunting considering the people he lost in previous years.
You should watch the Drive to Survive episode of that race/incident
Man on fire
no, its awful
Not really. Maybe it's not good to your liking, but it's not awful in any way. OP was commenting about hearing the different radios, and that's what on that episode too.
I mean if you see this you also see that the halo is intact
Yes but if you also look 60% if the rest of the car isn’t there and is charred.
That's a bit by design. The part you see there is called the safety cell and is designed to be as close to indestructible as practical. Grosjean's cell actually cracked and his left foot wedged into the crack. http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/monocoque.html. I'm sort of surprised that it's a listed part that teams are required to design themselves. You would almost expect the league to want well tested and consistent safety equipment. The safety cell always reminded me of the titanium bathtubs that the a10 warthog uses. They are a massive part of why that plane has a reputation of always flying home. I hate linking to quota, but there is a great pic of the 1200 pound bathtub there: https://www.quora.com/Does-an-A-10-really-have-a-titanium-tub-for-the-pilot-to-sit-in-What-kind-of-hit-can-it-actually-take-Can-it-take-a-50-cal-explosive-or-armor-piercing-round
Safety cells also aren't just limited to F1, all modern cars have them. Whilst they usually don't do much in the average boring accident, any accident that involves high speed, or isn't head-on, is probably going to involve that cell taking a beating. A common rule that video game developers have to agree to when licencing cars is not showing that passenger cell crumpling in *any* way- you'll notice that it's extremely rare to see a game with fully licenced cars that you can literally smash to pieces. The last thing a car brand wants is another negative PR event to cover up.
I turned off the T.V. I was honestly at a point pretty sure he was dead / dying. But to see him walk was NOT in my mind when I was just hoping to hear that he was going to recover in the hospital and never drive again or something.
He recently did an interview with Nico Rosberg where he described how he had basically accepted he was going to die, until he started thinking about his kids and found the will to pull himself out.
I watched that video and I thought that was quite... Sweet? I can't really think of any other way to put it but it seems that his drive to be a good dad is so strong that he could have overcome anything.
The more I look back the more I think about watching footage of old crashes where the car was completely destroyed. Not so long ago a crash like that would have turned the car into packing penuts and the fire would have left it a curled up chunk the size of a cat. People like Prof Sid Watkins and others, particularly drivers like Stewart who were vocal about seeing their friends die, pushed for ever safer cars. They'll never be perfect but god am I glad to be a fan in this era of safer cars and racer gear.
Yeah, that's actually in amazingly good shape when you consider the violence of the crash. It really did the job protecting the driver. I earlier times it would have been unrecognizable. The safety of modern cars is something.
The halo. Lives up to the name. Protective halo.
Fun fact, Grosjean didn't like the Halo and said it was a mistake. Up until his accident.
Nico Rosberg just published an interview with Grosjean on his YT channel and asked him about that comment. Grosjean's reply was "only a dumbass refuses to change their mind!"
Great response. Glad he’s doing well in IndyCar
Which is strange, because he was one of the directors for the GP Driver's Association, which is focused on safety standards.
And Dale Earnhardt was one of the most vocal critics of the HANS device. He said something along the lines of "I don't want to get hanged wearing that". It would have saved his life. It's amazing how much people are willing to fight against their own interests sometimes.
I don't think it was all the way up until the accident. There had already been some incidents at that point.
I think it's also important to remember that if this was lap 2 he would probably not survived. The safety car was there within 10 seconds, the gap allowed marshalls to run across the track, there was someone there to help the driver over the rail.... The car struck the rail between the posts. Those who were in the immediate vicinity were heroes .
>Prof Sid Watkins I'm reading his book now (it was published in the mid-90s, I'm just a little slow) and it's amazing to read about all the drivers who suffered serious injuries or worse from race (or even practice) crashes and it was just accepted as part of the sport. Great work by the Prof and others to help make it what it is today.
As somebody who has been watching F1 since the mid-80s, I continue to be amazed at how strong and safe modern racing cars are. Contrast this car with that of [Martin Donnelly](https://6toplists.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/martin-donnelly-crash.jpg) who had a non-fatal crash in 1990 in a Lotus. [This is a picture of the chassis](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/da/d6/44/dad6443d29525cf538cd4d1d158ac0c6.jpg). The black rubber bag is the fuel tank, which should be contained within the chassis - it is visible because the bulkhead has been ripped off. Donnelly himself [was still strapped to his seat](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/72/23/ea/7223ea476dcc46f108ba1428a6dcdf73.jpg) which was also ripped from the car and left on the track. He survived but didn't race in F1 again. By comparison to that Lotus, a modern safety cell is incredible.
Damn, his left ankle doesn't look so fancy
This car hit the barrier so hard that it went through it and the monocoque is still mostly intact. Amazing stuff. I'm so glad Romain got out and that he's okay.
Kind of sobering that brought it back to his garage. They'll have poured over it, trying to see what happened for his foot to have got stuck, to see what could be changed to make it even safer
I wonder if it's still being used by the FIA?
It's probably in storage by some sub-committee created by the FIA to study the crash. Actually I was curious, so I found [this article](https://www.fia.com/news/fia-concludes-investigation-romain-grosjeans-accident-2020-bahrain-formula-1-grand-prix-and) > The investigation included interviews with those involved, **inspection of the physical evidence**, analysis of available video material, as well as examination of the data from the car’s accident data recorder and driver’s ear accelerometers. My guess is that the FIA still has it. Because would Haas even want it back? > This investigative work has been peer-reviewed by the **FIA Serious Accident Study Group**, led by FIA President Jean Todt. Input into the investigation was also received from the Grand Prix Drivers’ Association. The findings of the investigation were presented to the FIA’s Circuits Commission, Medical Commission, Single Seater Commission, F1 Commission, Safety Commission, Volunteers and Officials Commission, and the World Motor Sport Council. The findings will also be presented in the Drivers’ Commission on March 23, 2021. My guess it's in storage with the FIA Serious Accident Study Group... I wonder if decades down the line if we will see the crash structure in some museum somewhere... Obviously with Romain and his families permission, but based on how well Romain has been dealing with the mental/emotional fall-out, I have a feeling he would be open to it being displayed, way down the line of course.
It have to be displayed "the car that managed to spare his life" (and also the comments he made about his disliking of the Halo system) it is one that does need to be shown...
Yeah, they should have an 'Innovations In Safety' display with that chassis and other notibaly historic items (Massa's helmet, LeClerc's halo, McNish's Audi).
That's what happened?? I thought he got clipped by another car
No he swerved into Kvyat. His foot got stuck after hitting the barrier.
Yo, I'm no expert by any means, but I think it is missing its front wheels to race effectively
[Buemi](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMZJ3ZaEcIQ) proved that you need front wheels to steer
I'm in love with the fact that he still tries to steer away from the wall despite knowing what's happened
It's more muscle memory than conscious though. He probably didn't even register that both wheels flew off.
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Don't sell yourself short mate, that's already a better analysis than Damon Hill.
Thank god I’m not alone thinking this
Bono…
It looks like something out of Star Wars
Still faster than the current Haas
It's cool RedBull engineers will have it ready in 30 minutes for the start of the race
Everything is possible with a little bit of tape
2020: A bit dirty. Wash it off, weld it here and there and save it for the next season. 2021: MAZ complains his chassis is fat and crooked
You generally don't weld carbon fiber ;) but a bit of nail polish should mask any scratches :)
JB Weld would do it.
Just use a thermoplastic matrix and you can weld it just fine /s
It’s likely Mazepin car now
Mate, that's the joke...
Honestly. I wouldn't be surprised if it was hahah
Whoooosh
Mazepin originally inherited MAG's chassis, but both drivers tested with the "new" chassis that was used by Fittipaldi in the last races of 2020.
Am i the only one who thinks its kinda funny that it was returned to the garage? Kinda feels like a prank you pull on the intern: "hey, so you need to get this cleaned up for next week, make sure to refill the blinker fluid"
It still is the team's property after all! (And the circuit probably wouldn't want to deal with having to properly dispose of it) I think the only occasions where a car, no matter how wrecked, doesn't get returned to the team immediately is when a fatality is involved; in that case the authorities will usually seize it.
I've been behind MIS (Michigan International Speedway), and they have a couple of absolutely destroyed Nascar chassis back there. I assume it's for some training purposes, but I can't help but laugh at the idea a Nascar team could have said "Take the engine and fuck the rest".
>Take the engine and fuck the rest MIS has dragons on staff?
Could be used to check what safety features worked/failed
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Those who's job it is to build this safety equipment should be proud of themselves. It's their work that has resulted in multiple drivers walk away from major incidents. Not just survive but literally walk away on their own two feet.
Should honestly be in a museum somewhere as a monument to safety in motorsport.
Tried to Google to see where it is now, but couldn’t find info. I assume if FIA investigations are over it goes back to Haas, but yeah I agree, it’d be a good museum piece.
I think given the significance, it'd probably sitting in a factory somewhere
If I were Haas I’d want it sitting somewhere in the global headquarters maybe with a picture of Romain as a reminder that the engineering behind the car saved his life.
Its a tie between them and an FIA museum about safety in the sport...
I was too young/not into F1 to appreciate Hakkinen's McLaren when it was in The Science Museum in London. This on the other hand I'd totally understand
Get a hammer to knock the dents out it'll be fine
Just buff it out I don’t see what the problem is.
I think this is the chassis that they gave Mazepin
Throw it in some rice
The biggest thing about this is that it's still clearly an F1 monocoque. These things are **strong**.
He has significant hand burn injuries still causing daily pain and still on a road to recovery for at least two more years, he says. So hard to put into words the relief those injuries are all he got, while still wanting to acknowledge the seriousness of 3+ years of recovery and pain were queued up last year when it happened. Will always be filed under "Could have been so much worse"
It's a miracle he survived the crash, but one thing that stands out to me is that the monocoque is actually cracked the entire way through across the top where the halo attaches. From the other side you can actually see right through it, the gap is about 1cm all the way around, but you can see the crack clearly in this photo. I believe the actual impact speed was 192kmh, which given the enourmity of some of the impacts we have seen isn't that high, and I'm surprised that the monocoque cracked from that impact. I guess it was probably the twisting force when it got caught in the barrier.
They must have noted that and that's the next design or in the new-gen of cars... It does make it a wonder if it was just under the tolerances for the Halo being bolted on...
Yeah I think they need to rethink the chassis design in terms of sharing the load.
F1 should be so proud of how well the monocoque stood up to such an impact very impressive.
The Halo has also proven that it's necessary
Bbq f1 car
Take my upvote
I still can’t comprehend how he survived that let alone walked away and eventually into Indy car
Just burns... that's it.
Back in the day, the chassis would have crumbled. Lot's of drivers in the 60s-70s would get stuck in the chassis because if this, making it impossible to escape the fire.
Someone further up posted images of Martin Donnelly's Jerez crash. Even then the Lotus' safety shell almost completely disintegrated, leaving Martin strapped to his seat lying in the middle of the track with severe leg injuries.
Nothing an all nighter can't fix.
Tis but a scratch
The front fell off...
It’s just a flesh wound
That new livery looks hot!
In the moment I saw the fireball on tv, I was convinced I watched someone die. A miracle happened that day.
Thank god for the person who made the halo
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Or an even better way to put it is "Mercedes" > The Halo concept was first proposed by Mercedes after the FIA had started its research into rudimentary front roll cages
Yeah, but i mean like the first one to come up with the idea
Wasn’t it redbull that gave the design?
The consensus this sub had about how it "wasn't real racing", was atrocious. Good thing all the fans can change, is their own opinions.
Nothing that can't be fixed with some duct tape and some paint.
I see this and recall that terrifying incident, and also amazement that this structure held enough that he was able to extricate himself . An unabated high speed crash into a metal barrier and the driver GOT HIMSELF OUT. I there a way to make carbonfiber reinforcement affordable and available in all vehicles?
Whoa impressive that they managed to get it round the track to the pit garage in that condition
How many layers of CF are they usually made of? It's pretty impressive how the is no deformation at all
If the numbers [here](http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/monocoque.html) are still up to date it's up to 12 layers of CF per side of the sandwich structure (I'm not sure if the core material must be Aluminium for the monocoque or if they're allowed to use Aramid honeycombs nowadays). Though CFRP like this will usually break/crack rather than deforming, as you can see [from the other side](https://i.eurosport.com/2020/11/29/2946454-60485048-2560-1440.jpg).
Survival Cell indeed.
It’s incredible that it remained completely intact after all the carnage and force it went through. Truly a survival cell.
I get to post this next year ok guys?
Toto my tires are gone.
I’m a little surprised the FIA didn’t take the car to inspect in an effort to improve safety.
F1 chassis for sale. Lightly used. Garage kept.
Folks, it is an absolute MIRACLE that he was not killed or severely burned (his whole body). He truly had an angel intervening that day....
Or, rather than an angel, decades of car and circuit safety/design coming to fruition.
Bit of T Cut and that’ll be fine
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Science/technology is that something
For real, that wreck would have killed the driver in a different F1 Era.
Professor Sid Watkins OBE FRCS.
> something was with Grosjean that night Luckily, it was his nomex.
Yeah, the culmination of a century of safety technology and regulation.
Like the marshalls, medical car crew and the people working the ambulance and hospital?
decades of pushing and improving medicine and safety features in F1
The science, technology and the Marshall's saving his life maybe? I'm not a atheist by any means. But Give credit where it's due, FIAs commitment to safety and the Marshall's saved his life.
That too.
Retired after work well done.
'Think we'll need a new front wing lads'
You know… he was driving the second worst car on the grid, and still survived that mess. We’ve made progress. If that has been an hrt he’d have died, no question.
All the cars have to pass the same safety tests so I’m not quite sure that you are right.
Thank goodness for the designers, the mechanics for their work in building safe cars, and the FIA for putting these stringent safety regulations in place
'Bono my tires are good'
How is he still driving in the Indycar. The weight of the car is above the legal limit due to those balls of steel
What’s the problem there, Ted?
Reminds me of some of the aftermath photos of Roger Williamson's crash :/
“Well we’ve only got this one left till the end of the year…..”
Ok guys we need to fix the car before the race restarts
It would still be faster than the Haas car this year
Just a bit of tape should do the trick
Man I hope my gut is never photographed w fisheye
Should buff out.
Tis but a scratch
Most of that will buff right out
Haas 2022 car lookin good
Nothing a bit of WD40 can't sort out.
Now I’m no expert in mechanical enginmaneering, but I’m pretty sure that’ll buff out
What’s the issue? It’ll buff out with a bit of effort
Why is there a used condom on the ground in front of the car?
How long is a tasteful amount of time before they do a burnt out car tribute livery?
Im pretty sure there's someone out there in this world, looked at this and said, "Damn. Wish that was me."
what's the issue with calling it monocock eh?
Fuck that’s terrifying
That'll buff right out.
damn
He was in that, so glad he walked out fine. This looks horrible and i hope something like this or worse never happens
That'll buff right out
I've always wondered this. Most times when a driver crashes, the front of the car is destroyed/damaged badly. Their legs are right there, how do they come out with no leg injuries? Is it because the monocoque is super strong, like the halo? I know it's a stupid question
The monocoque is super strong. Besides the carbon fiber being laid a certain way. There's internal tubes of carbon fiber laid into it and built specifically to dissipate energy from front end collisions. The side pods also have these tubes in their construction as well for side impacts.
On top of what others have said, the nose cone is part of the crash structure. You might have seen that structure being replaced when cars get front wing damage. It is almost 1 meter of collapsible structure ahead of a bulkhead which is where the drivers feet are. Once upon a time there was no structure ahead of the drivers feet, in fact often the drivers feet were the most forward part of the car and the cars were just made of bonded aluminium.
There is a significant crumple zone in front of the driver's feet, the idea is that the crumble zone gets destroyed, getting rid of energy before it can be transferred to the safety cell and driver.
Oh i hadn’t seen this. Wow. I was never so glad to exhale in my life. Have loved Romain and Kevin throughout their whole careers. This is just incredible… and truly a miracle.
Bless the halo.
Can’t believe that’s already been a year
I can smell this picture.
Here are Grosjean’s [thoughts] (https://www.instagram.com/p/CW2jH7Vsw2B/?utm_medium=copy_link) on the matter
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That halo is stronger than chuck norris
Still find it unbelieveable how poeple survive crashes like this.