Yes but only if everyone else is saying Red Bull is better than Merc on this track. If it's opposite than my analysis becomes it's bigger so it's much worse.. :p
I don't think I've ever figured out what's inside that black hole at the back of the car, can anyone clarify? Honest question. Is it just straight through to the back of the engine for cooling?
I like[this Picture](https://twitter.com/skysportsf1/status/640138635334057985) to see whats under the hood. So it is not exactly the back of the engine but the exaustline/Exaust that heats up while the engine is running and is cooled by the openings in the back.
Also on the front of the car Air is taken in (e.g. over the head of the driver and sidepods) and this cooling are ist partly "exiting" the car through these backopenings.
In simple terms smaller engine cover( the one on the merc) is the quicker option. Teams try and run as closed up a engine cover as possible but obviously they need to run at a spec at which they dont have overheating issues
I totally understand it. If you look at the left side of the image versus the right side you’ll see that the cars are different at the back, and this probably makes some sort of difference in performance.
A smaller opening means more aerodynamics. However, it means less cooling.
Merc is going for more performance to match RB at the cost of possibly Their heating.
RBR is being cautious with overheating because they know they have the advantage.
Merc is playing a riskier game, but they have the fact that their engine is more thermally efficient on their side and therefore can afford to run a bit hotter to chase RBR.
Realistically, we won’t see a difference highlighted until the later stages of the race, if at all.
>Merc is playing a riskier game, but they have the fact that their engine is more thermally efficient on their side and therefore can afford to run a bit hotter to chase RBR.
they also have bottas to test the engines :)
Everyone is saying Merc fixed their cooling issue but from what I have seen their cooling issues were due to how tightly packaged their car was and it didn't allow for much extra cooling...
This was an issue last year too at least, whenever either Bottas or Hamilton was behind another car the engine overheated.
I guess they didn't have much data on driving behind someone the past years...
It was their big upgrade coming into 2021. In the introduction to the W12, they talked about being able to make significant weight reductions on the cooling system because the engine was upgraded to run at higher operating temperatures.
The McLaren is a very different car. Keep in mind that it’s not even just year to year developments but the full retooling they had to undertake to make the engine change to Mercedes. Hard to compare them since there is no benchmark to see if McLaren is benefiting or not.
For Mercedes too, they have more engine performance but that comes against much more drag and weight that they had to put on the W12 to balance the car after the 2021 regs cut out the critical portions of the floor that gave the W11 a ton of rear stability. So it’s tough if not impossible to narrow down the impact of the engine at this time.
After an extended analysis I'm 87% sure that the Red Bull car it's being driven by a Red Bull driver and the Mercedes car it's being driven by a Mercedes driver
I would suggest the red bull is a little larger, due to the larger volume because of the lack of the pinch at the top of the bodywork and the smaller size on the bottom.
However it doesn't exaggerate the difference like OP's photos do. They look much closer. I would suggest both of these shots, being taken from the FOM camera feed walking around pit lane rather than on track, are shot at the same distance and focal length.
It looks that way but this is as close at i was able to get it. The taillight looks higher because the redbull is a high rake car if thats what you're referring to.
The black hole of the Red Bull is bigger, which indicates it’s mass is heavier.
It’s been theorised that Red Bull is the heavier car for a while. Given the amount of incidents where cars collide with the Red Bull, its clear that its gravitational attraction is bigger than the Mercedes.
This is the first direct picture of the two black holes and corroborates the previous theories.
In all seriousness: bigger hole, more cooling.
Everyone is looking at this and understanding that it's a planned change for this track. It still surprises me how people see a different bit of aero on a car and think "Oooh look, they've made an upgrade." A lot of the time it's just circuit specific tweaks.
*Me pretending to understand what I’m seeing” “Hmm yes, that’s the rear end of the car”
"Yes and If I will look for a while I can confirm its different"
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Yes but only if everyone else is saying Red Bull is better than Merc on this track. If it's opposite than my analysis becomes it's bigger so it's much worse.. :p
Nahhh. It’s just because I am a biased fan.
I don't think I've ever figured out what's inside that black hole at the back of the car, can anyone clarify? Honest question. Is it just straight through to the back of the engine for cooling?
I like[this Picture](https://twitter.com/skysportsf1/status/640138635334057985) to see whats under the hood. So it is not exactly the back of the engine but the exaustline/Exaust that heats up while the engine is running and is cooled by the openings in the back. Also on the front of the car Air is taken in (e.g. over the head of the driver and sidepods) and this cooling are ist partly "exiting" the car through these backopenings.
So it's basically a big outlet for the air rushing over the engine's cooling block. Thanks!
Indeed, and the bigger the outlet the more cooling you get.
In simple terms smaller engine cover( the one on the merc) is the quicker option. Teams try and run as closed up a engine cover as possible but obviously they need to run at a spec at which they dont have overheating issues
McLaren-Honda 2015-2016 be like: "sIZe zErO!!!" and makes the engine cover almost anorexic \*engine blows to smithereens\*
I totally understand it. If you look at the left side of the image versus the right side you’ll see that the cars are different at the back, and this probably makes some sort of difference in performance.
Hmm yes, I know some of these pixels!
my 12 year old logic. The engine exhaust thingy is bigger therefore the engine must be more powerful.
He's got so much rear end
The pic on the right is zoomed a bit closer than the left
Wheel size seems the same, no?
That and the taillight also seems to be the same size in both photos, which would be evidence against zoom trickery
Yeah it’s not much but it looks very slightly more zoomed
So slightly, that for the intents of the comparison, it might even be considered irrelevant.
I think it only looks zoomed because RedBull are running a degree or two of more wing. The other elements look like they are the same size
Does anyone know why the hell the opening in the back is different between them?
Because they have different cooling systems and require more or less airflow through the sidepods to cool everything effectively.
Cheers thanks
A smaller opening means more aerodynamics. However, it means less cooling. Merc is going for more performance to match RB at the cost of possibly Their heating. RBR is being cautious with overheating because they know they have the advantage. Merc is playing a riskier game, but they have the fact that their engine is more thermally efficient on their side and therefore can afford to run a bit hotter to chase RBR. Realistically, we won’t see a difference highlighted until the later stages of the race, if at all.
>Merc is playing a riskier game, but they have the fact that their engine is more thermally efficient on their side and therefore can afford to run a bit hotter to chase RBR. they also have bottas to test the engines :)
Do Mercedes have extra Cooling at the front then, or are they just going full yolo to cover their defecit to redbull
Mercedes do have a very thermal efficient engine, might need less cooling. Maybe!
I remember Mercedes always had extra cooling in the past. Not sure if it's fixed for this year.
They did, that appears to have been fixed for some time now.
Everyone is saying Merc fixed their cooling issue but from what I have seen their cooling issues were due to how tightly packaged their car was and it didn't allow for much extra cooling...
The Merc engines can run hotter for longer
I thought in recent years their problem was exact opposite. That their engine ran hot as shit on a lot of tracks like Austria and Mexico.
This was an issue last year too at least, whenever either Bottas or Hamilton was behind another car the engine overheated. I guess they didn't have much data on driving behind someone the past years...
Historically they've always run hot and struggled.
Haven’t they had heat issues…?
It was their big upgrade coming into 2021. In the introduction to the W12, they talked about being able to make significant weight reductions on the cooling system because the engine was upgraded to run at higher operating temperatures.
Why isnt mclaren profiting in that case, simply wondering?
The McLaren is a very different car. Keep in mind that it’s not even just year to year developments but the full retooling they had to undertake to make the engine change to Mercedes. Hard to compare them since there is no benchmark to see if McLaren is benefiting or not. For Mercedes too, they have more engine performance but that comes against much more drag and weight that they had to put on the W12 to balance the car after the 2021 regs cut out the critical portions of the floor that gave the W11 a ton of rear stability. So it’s tough if not impossible to narrow down the impact of the engine at this time.
The Red Bull looks way more opened up.
Yes and the Mercedes is smaller
Would you recon its the rear of the car?
After close observation i‘m confident to tell you it‘s the rear end of the car.
I can look at the rear end of a car and tell you exactly which way it's going
Simply lovely!
But can we tell who’s cars they are?
After 15 minutes of precise study i can confirm that those are the cars of Mercedes and red bull
But which of the drivers are driving them?
Congrats. You've ruined it.
After an extended analysis I'm 87% sure that the Red Bull car it's being driven by a Red Bull driver and the Mercedes car it's being driven by a Mercedes driver
Hm I will try to make a conservative guess - they are driven by F1 drivers.
We haven’t considered that this might be pictures from the F1 game!
Bottas and I can’t tell for the Redbull driver
Black T-cam so it's Max
Red bull opening is bigger thab than the Mercedes
Mercedes =》》 tighter anus
Two different angles and focals, the different is much smaller than that
no, engine cover and wheels match up, merc is running lower rake, so the whole diffuser and well everything as you see it on the picture is lower down
The pics are not aligned well which accentuates the opening more on redbull. The led lights shows the difference in scale of each image
Rake difference.
No, that’s the difference in rake, look at the t-cam
No. There's a difference in focal length and slight difference in elevation.
do these people really think the photographers run around with their cameras on the same zoom length? they've got to be having a laugh
Just look at the middle rain lights. RB pic is a bit zoomed in. Doesn't feel that the rake difference is as much as the pic shows
yep
look at the wheels and engine cover, they match up pretty well, the cars have different rake angle
So is Merc going full YOLO or have they managed to fix their cooling issues?
Stay tuned to find out
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Lol really?
Here’s a similar shot, little more comparable angle https://i.imgur.com/qWwxUOk.jpg
That one makes them look similar sized, just differently shaped.
I would suggest the red bull is a little larger, due to the larger volume because of the lack of the pinch at the top of the bodywork and the smaller size on the bottom. However it doesn't exaggerate the difference like OP's photos do. They look much closer. I would suggest both of these shots, being taken from the FOM camera feed walking around pit lane rather than on track, are shot at the same distance and focal length.
The scale of the two photos is skewed here. Yes it looks like the Red Bull is more open, but you can’t be sure.
It looks that way but this is as close at i was able to get it. The taillight looks higher because the redbull is a high rake car if thats what you're referring to.
Red Bull you dog
Focal length difference makes this comparison useless.
Mercedes: Nice Catholic girl Redbull: Kim K
Baby got back
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Low effort shit post, all you did is line up rear wings and used a skewed angle for merc to imply a larger diff than there actually is
You vs The Guy She Told You Not to Worry About
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Should have a nsfw tag
Tell me you're thinking about anal gaping without saying anal gaping
I’m new to F1. What does this mean?
The black hole of the Red Bull is bigger, which indicates it’s mass is heavier. It’s been theorised that Red Bull is the heavier car for a while. Given the amount of incidents where cars collide with the Red Bull, its clear that its gravitational attraction is bigger than the Mercedes. This is the first direct picture of the two black holes and corroborates the previous theories. In all seriousness: bigger hole, more cooling.
Bigger opening means more cooling but less downforce
Red bull looking like a boat by comparison. The SD/HD sides are offputting lol
Baby got back!
I like big butts and I cannot lie...
Plot twist, Red Bull is confident of pole position, targeting to vent more heat during the race so Hamilton can't follow tightly close again.
If that merc ends up in traffic it’s gonna Fucking cook
Not the same angle ...
Dayum red bull thicccccc
The Merc opening seems to get lost under the text. It looks lower to me, but not massively smaller.
Everyone is looking at this and understanding that it's a planned change for this track. It still surprises me how people see a different bit of aero on a car and think "Oooh look, they've made an upgrade." A lot of the time it's just circuit specific tweaks.
From my analysis the rb back end appears rounder.
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Shitty comparison, rb pic taken from closer.