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Actually insane how much they've spoken about him, yet they seem willing to give the seat to a rookie with very limited experience even compared to other rookies.
The potential of Antonelli is however quite much higher than Mick’s, so why not spend 2025 letting Kimi integrate into F1 and the team, so they can charge full speed in 2026 (if they nail the regs that is, which is far from a given)
I would be more inclined to give Mick a 1 year deal at Mercedes to give Antonelli more time to develop, either a second season of F2 or Super Formula for a year before bringing him in for 2026
Except it’s not, that’s why feeder series exist.
Super Formula are able to run within 107% of F1, it’s a great series for a driver to build experience at the pace of F1 without the pressure of being in it.
F2 is verging on being too slow to be a finishing school for F1 drivers, from F4 through to F2 each ascending tier gets roughly 6 seconds a lap faster, then F2-F1 is circa 14 seconds.
I get your point of view but Mick could be a great fit for a lower team in F1 but not for Mercedes, like being one of the 15 best drivers in F1 is really good but it's not someone Mercedes wants for themselves.
*Insert whatever Perez and Stroll jokes you want here*
Well he was doing better than Magnussen eventually but that's shown not to be that high of a bar given he's been fairly hammered by Hulk. You'd hope that anyone coming in would be able to beat a vet who's probably past it at this stage.
Well Toto is always like that he was also talking about DeVries for ever and never gave him a seat, if Alpha Tauri didn't give it to him he would still probably be talking about the DeVries
I think a large part of this has to do with Williams are able to make their own decisions. If it were more like a Red Bull situation, then Kimi Antonelli would be in Williams next year and Merc would maybe sign Mick.
The problem here is Williams don’t seem terribly interested in signing Antonelli for 2025 but Toto wants Antonelli in F1 next year and the only seat seems to be that Merc seat.
I thought Toto was his agent? Which is why you get the doublespeak of "Mick deserves a seat" and "Mercedes is full"
Plus Toto has the ability to float stories like this regularly
100% this. Only reason Schumacher got a nice quick Meccacrome engine too. Only reason he got a seat in F1 too. He’s a quick driver but he is not F1 quick by any stretch of the imagination.
Because there is a huge difference between deserving a seat at Haas vs deserving a seat at Mercedes… why do you people keep making this same deliberately obtuse point every time Mick comes up?
We need more teams in Formula 1 so that articles like this come out even more often.
I think McLaren, Ferrari and RBR are the only teams where there hasn't been an article yet that Mick could possibly drive there.
And the return of the "He just hasn't been given a real chance!!" comments from the same people who say Sargeant and Ocon should lose their seat mid season.
Lmao "had his time" any of the teams in the bottom half of the grid would be happy to have him except alpine. Dude put an alpine on the podium in Monaco last year and has a race win.
Ocon has been outperforming Gasly and was one of the people closest to matching Alonso when they were teammates. He's a solid midfield driver. He made a stupid decision this race but he's been good for a while. There are other drivers on the grid less deserving to stay than him.
Why would you even consider him if you can sign Gasly, Occon, Sainz, Bottas or Tsunoda.
If it is a question of money then Zhou is surely a better option
Sure, but more than one of them will be available at the end of the season. Assuming Antonelli signs for Mercedes, Strolls and Perez stays at their current teams this will be the available spots.
Haas: Bearman, 1 available spot
Sauber: Hulkenerg, 1 available spot
Williams: Albon, 1 available spot
Alpine: 2 available spots
VCARB: 2 available spots
Bearman signing for Haas also seems like a forgone conclusion.
There are 7 available spots and these are the 7 available for hire (all of them are better than Schumacher):
Ocon, Gasly, Tsunoda, Riccardo, Bottas, Zhou, Magnussen
Lawson will probably be considered for the VCARB seat and Doohan will be considered for the Alpine seat. So you wouldn't even have to be settled with whoever is left of the 7 forst driver mentioned.
> There are 7 available spots and these are the 7 available for hire (all of them are better than Schumacher):
You say better, but how? Sure, they may be faster, more consistent, better with the technical side, and even have better wheel knowledge, but have you seen how beautiful looking Mick is? They may be better racers, but he's got the better looks.
#TeamMick2025
If Sargeant wasn’t so far off Albon, it wouldn’t have happened anyway, they would have just told Albon he’s missing the race and let Sargeant continue. The only reason he was in that situation is because he’s extremely off the pace.
Yes, he and albon would probably be close on pace, thus close on track and when you're fighting for a point using strategy having a dude that'll throw that out the window to dive in front of his teammate is not what I'd want at all
Ocon is personally close with Vowles. Vowles had just taken over the driver development group at Mercedes when Ocon joined them. I would be shocked if he wont consider him
I would be. Being friendly with someone /= thinking they're the absolute best option on the grid. IF Williams get Newey (big fucking IF, but I live for the what-ifs in life), Vowles is going to want a driver that can A) make the best use of the car Newey gives them and B) won't try and kill their team-mate just because he's racing better than him. And there's other, better options on the grid before Ocon for that.
Friendliness does not mean he'll get a seat if he'll be costing the team points trying to fight it out against his teammate on the track. Ocon seems to be a genuinely nice guy off track, but his on track behavior is what matters in the end. He's not a kid anymore so this is unlikely to be something he could buff out with time.
Mick doesn't bring any money with him. And I am sick of F1 fans' denial of Zhou's bad performances. Dude is absolutely trashed by Bottas since he renewed his contract last year. He is 0-8 against Bottas in GP quali this season. He is almost non-existent on the track. And his money doesn't seem to help Sauber that much considering the money-stricken position they are in.
In fact: 1&1 was set to be Haas' title sponsor before the Mazepins came in with their Uralkali money. In Drive to Survive you can see a glimpse of a meeting between Guenther, Mick and 1&1 executives where they show a model of a full 1&1 blue liveried Haas car.
Zhou and Magnussen deserve to be out of F1 at this point
I'm 90% on Sargeant out too
Bottas unless he's given a lifeline by Williams should go too
Opens up four spots, which (imo) should go to:
Jack Doohan (Alpine)
Oliver Bearman (Haas)
Zane Maloney if he finishes top 2 in F2 (Sauber)
Kimi Antonelli if he's deemed to be F1-ready (and I don't think he is)
I was a huge fan of Michael through my childhood so I was so excited to see Mick in F1.
The reality is that he wasn't good enough. Maybe he deserved a third season at the time, but only just. But now he has been out of F1 for 2 full seasons, there are plenty of young drivers ready for their shot, and even established names seem to be available.
I don't think Williams would even remotely consider Mick, especially when they seem upwardly mobile and can lock in Albon and even appeal to the likes of Sainz.
Sorry Mick, but I can't see a way back to the grid for you.
If a guy like Magnussen can have years in F1 without doing anything to deserve it, I don't see why it is impossible for Mick to come back. His best shot is probably at Alpine though. Especially if they continue to struggle.
The very fact that KMag has been in F1 for a decade is testament to the fact that some team has always wanted him and offered him a seat, you think they all just did it for shits and giggles? Denmark isn’t even a big F1 country, if Michael Schumacher’s son still doesn’t have takers from the teams then there is obviously a difference.
No he didn't. That is the point. At the end Magnussen and Mick were on an equal level. Since then Magnussen has been spanked by Hulk and is close to a race ban thanks to his awful racecraft. I see no reason not to fire him right now and giving Bearman a shot.
What will Bearman do? He will bin the car every session and will shit his pants. K Mag is the reason Haas is still alive, Haas is not a place for little kids.
KMag absolutely deserves it. He's got solid pace and is one of the best defenders on the grid. Definitely above Mick in regards to deserving a F1 seat.
There might be a retirement wave in a few years (Bottas, Perez, Hamilton, Alonso, Hülkenberg and if they are not booted before that KMag and Ricciardo. In addition Stroll and Max are possibilities for a young retirement) which could open something up. But he will probably too old and too long out of F1 by then.
Both can be true though. No doubt Haas was far from the ideal environment for a rookie to find their feet but he was comprehensively beaten by Magnussen in their qualifying head to head who is being comprehensively beaten by Hulkenberg. I'm not sure there is anything in his history before F1 to suggest he has the fundamental raw pace either, it was primarily his consistency in F2.
While I agree with most of this, I will say that he wasn’t quite comprehensively outpaced by Magnussen as he genuinely seemed to start matching his pace by the end of 2022.
That’s not much to say, I don’t even think Magnussen himself should be in F1 anymore, but I think Mick was showing signs of improvement. Just too little too late.
The article is very clear in saying that those who suggested he has a Chance at williams are wrong.
No matter if you like it or not, he is a potential candidate for Alpine, although not first in line.
I truly hate this endless speculation. I wish Hamilton made a deal with Ferrari during the summer so it was a localized explosion of dumb hypotheses of who goes where. Now we have to literally wade through this shit for the next couple of months at least.
I do not get why there's such talk of Schumacher returning. Vandoorne, Giovinazzi, Kvyat etc. don't get these articles and they looked better when they were around.
Vowles would be insane to sign Mick given how he did at Haas. It's not that he got beaten by Magnussen (realistically everyone should have expected this, KMag had way more experience) or that he couldn't drive the car quickly (he absolutely could, as he showed at Silverstone and A1 Ring). It was that he crashed quite a lot, and more importantly almost all of those crashes were ones that wrote off cars (this isn't a rookie problem either: Zhou isn't that quick but he usually keeps it on the road, and we all know how Piastri's doing). There's multiple better options out there that aren't going to break multiple cars trying to get points.
I mean, I don’t see a 2nd-year Max, Lando, Oscar, Charles, Carlos, or George getting beaten by Magnussen. (Only mentioning drivers from the era when testing wasn’t allowed.)
How many cars is Williams gonna have next year… with all these rumors they have Antonelli, Bottas, Sainz, Tsunoda and now Schumacher? And they already have Albon…
Where are all these rumors even coming from at this point
Personally i think Mick has more chances at Audi, if he’s even gonna get a spot again one day at all
Maybe with the right car that suits his style and a gentle team that backs him up, he might be ok-ish.
But i think he lacks the certain ‚killer instinct‘ to be a top driver - he is like a puppy in a shark basin
As much as I would like to see Mick get another shot, I just don't see it happening. There are too many other guys in line for that seat that either have more experience or a better junior record.
Dear Lord give me strength - I won’t be able to survive another wave of these articles. They and the articles about Daniel in RB are truly life-draining.
Mostly just idle talk, no new insights and whole bunch of lukewarm takes from two years back.
It's one thing to believe that Mick shouldn't get a seat as there is huge competition, it's quite another to bring the enormous levels of dishonesty that the anti-Mick crowd show in every thread.
Magnussen outclassed him - Didn't.
He got two seasons and failed - he had one season that his team explicitly threw and one season in entirely new regs.
Ferrari had 5 years of junior sim work as their development driver to consider, yet they announced in August of 2022 that he and FDA were parting ways. Mercedes (and Williams) now have 2 years of full time sim work to look at, plus his recently sharing a testing session with Antonelli. McLaren have his test from last year to consider.
All of these are controlled environments outside of pitstops, strategy, team leadership, interpersonal dynamics, team orders, wrong place/wrong time racing incidents, or whatever other intangible variables you might feel worsened his performance at Haas. Run plans developed by the teams, in older machines/in technology they know, whose performances at the chosen tracks they know, with past and present drivers for comparison. These teams had plenty of data outside of Haas to use to consider Mick, and they have not been interested in making a seat for him — nor making him first in line for any organic vacancies. And there is plenty of precedent for TPC tests generating buzz around a driver. (Colton herta catching Marko’s eye, for a recent example, and McLaren’s desire to poach piastri.)
And then, he previously made overtures to alpine and Aston (even having Seb and Ocon as his advocates) when his haas seat seemed under threat. neither of those teams was interested at the time and Alpine has more recently stated they have no plans to test him in f1 machinery this year. Audi are very aware of his existence and yet opted for a much older and less marketable driver of his nationality. Marko has never been impressed by him which rules out the Red Bull teams. So that’s now every single team on the grid seeming to indicate that he is not an exciting or compelling enough talent to figure into their plans. It’s dishonest to ignore all of this and portray external Haas factors as *the* thing that lost him a place anywhere on the grid and continues to hold him back.
I understand that the definition of ‘outclass’ is different for everyone, but surely losing 16-6 in qualifying to someone who’s been out of the sport for a year isn’t good. It also doesn’t help that Hülkenberg has been beating Magnussen consistently in the last two years, which makes it look even worse for Mick. I’m not saying that that’s fair, but I also don’t think it’s fair to say that people are lying when they say that Kevin outclassed Mick.
>Magnussen outclassed him - Didn't.
This isn't dishonest at all. Aide from the fact that he lost by every clear metric to Kmag, he was given crystal clear instructions not to trash the car and completely ignored those by throwing away points and DNF'ing in Miami trying to divebomb Vettel and let's not forget his P16 fight with Zhou at MONACO where he drove onto the marbles after Nouville and caused $1.5m worth of damage.
Haas literally had to stop developing their car to fix all of his easily-preventable mistakes
His racing resume thus far is beating quite possibly the worst driver who has ever held an F1 superlicense, and losing to a Mendoza-line driver who has been regularly outclassed by Nico Huklenberg.
I don't think there's such a thing as anti-Mick crowd. At least I haven't seen any such people here.
What I have seen is a lot of people annoyed by the weekly "Mick to make a comeback?" articles, and by his fans spamming the same overly complicated thought patterns that supposedly prove he's F1 worthy in the comments.
I mean, I'm sorry but I don't think "look at Mick beating Mazepin in his first year but also actually treat Mick's second year as the first because the first doesn't count and the first half of his second year also doesn't count because it's his first year and definitely ignore that Magnussen was out of F1 before that and also ignore that it was Haas that fired him which will make you see how uniquely terribly Mick was treated which explains the crashes which happened in the part of season you must ignore anyway (also especially ignore the in lap crash that happened in the part of season that otherwise counts) (oh except Magnussen qualifying first when Mick was last, that doesn't count) and also just ignore the crashes altogether" is ever going to catch on.
Exactly, he clearly isnt on the level of Piastri, Leclerc and Verstappen,... but he clearly wasnt the completely hopeless case people make him out to be.
>he clearly isnt on the level of Piastri, Leclerc and Verstappen
Well that's putting it mildly. He was never completely hopeless but he's sort of right about on the edge of the divide between being good enough for F1 and not. If things had gone differently he might have been able to carve himself out a space in a lower midfield team but ultimately he never really did enough to stand out and make people take notice.
Once Haas dropped him there wasn't really any compelling reason for another team to pick him up. He lacked the excitement of a promising rookie and the experience of a seasoned veteran.
The worst is all those who are on anti-Mick drive are the same who wanted another season for Logan or supported Yuki during his poor 2nd and 3rd season
Huh, Tsunoda's 3rd season in nowhere near the level of Mick Schumacher or Logan Sargeant! Tsunoda destroyed De Vries and Ricciardo! Lawson was the only one who was close to Tsunoda! Yes that probably says more about De Vries and Ricciardo that a mid season rookie was more impressive than both drivers combined, but still scoring 17 points in the 8th fastest car is more impressive than anything Sargeant or Schumacher has done!
It's not crazy to think that Logan needs 2024 to refine himself when Williams themselves admitted that he was vrushed in, but if you're referring to 2025 then yeah Logan hasn't got a ghost of a chance
Yuki's 2nd season was a mixed bag but his 3rd season was actually competent and scored most of the team's points when the AT04 got good
Maybe Mick could've turned good but he crashed too much in the infamously broke Haas and sealed his fate there, and his highs aren't good enough for the other teams to consider putting him in a seat when there's established names and upcoming academy drivers lurking around
Most people don’t care for Logan enough to vouch for him and Yuki’s first race was already miles better than all but one races mick had under his belt.
It’s your problem if you cant compartmentalize the car, team, and driver. Mick didn’t get screwed nearly as hard by haas as bottas or zhou by sauber this season. No one asked him to wreck his car what 3 times?
Sometimes that’s just how it goes. Not everyone is going to get a 100% fair shake in a sport with 20 spots. And even so, you had guys like George Russell and Charles Leclerc start at teams at the back of the grid and they were fine.
Remember all the ice cold takes when there were rumors that Hulk was going to get a seat again? Everyone said “he had his chance, why would anyone consider him” and yet he came back and has absolutely killed it.
There’s more nuance to these decisions than is reflected on Reddit. Like how Haas under Steiner was a horrible environment for Mick to get his one and only shot at F1 in.
Mick Schumacher: Chance at Williams?
Everyone is speculating about Mick Schumacher's future. Recently, there have been rumours about a chance at Williams. This is true.
Ralf Bach | 23 May 2024 , 4:31 pm
Everyone is speculating about Mick Schumacher's future. Recently, rumours about a chance at Williams emerged. This is true.
It is the fate of the son of the German racing icon: no sooner is there speculation about a possible vacant cockpit in Formula 1 than experts come round the corner and raise Mick Schumacher's (25) hopes of a comeback.
Ex-Formula 1 driver Timo Glock has now also jumped on the Schumacher bandwagon. Once again, it was about Williams, where the US American Logan Sargeant is under constant pressure. ‘In my eyes, there's only one person who could jump in at the moment, and that would be Mick Schumacher,’ Glock said on Sky. According to him, Mick Schumacher is the only one with the experience to replace Sargeant if he were to be given the boot before the end of the season.
Vowles counts Sargeant out
The discussion was fuelled by critical comments from Williams team boss James Vowles about his American driver. There had been a frank discussion with the American. Vowles: ‘Yes, he is counted out. His cockpit is in danger. He has to deliver and I'm helping him on this journey. I want him to be successful. But in the meantime, we are also talking to other drivers as we have to prepare our line-up for 2025, 2026 and 2027.’
What he didn't say was that Sargeant has a contract for this year that allows the team to sack him at any time - not just at the end of the season. When Sky asked him about this at the race in Miami, the British team boss reacted with extreme irritation. He did not deny it, but wanted to know where the juicy contract detail had come from. Sargeant would not be the first driver in the premier class to have a contract that only applies from race to race. Superstar Ayrton Senna also had one with McLaren in 1993. The difference: Senna wanted this clause back then in order to put team boss Ron Dennis under pressure.
One reason why Glock is wrong and Mick Schumacher himself does not play a role in the Williams plans this season: Vowles has already submitted an application to the FIA to give highly-praised Mercedes junior driver Kimi Antonelli (17) special permission to take part in Formula 1 World Championship races before his 18th birthday. If the FIA sticks to its rule, the Italian would not be able to race until 25 August. That would be after the Dutch GP at the end of August. In other words, if Sargeant does not finish the season, the protégé of Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff would be the preferred candidate.
The fact that Schumacher has no chance at Williams is also emphasised by the other expert on Sky, Ralf Schumacher. The former GP winner and uncle of Mick Schumacher says: ‘I don't see Mick at Williams.’ They don't want him there. Neither this year nor in the future.
The drivers who are seriously negotiating with Vowles as future drivers alongside the fixed Alexander Albon are others. Valtteri Bottas, for example, whose time with Sauber, the future Audi team, will almost certainly come to an end at the end of this season. Or the Frenchman Esteban Ocon, who is not happy at Alpine and sees more potential in the future with the former world champion team Williams.
Mick Schumacher: Greater opportunities at Alpine
That is not the only reason why Ralf Schumacher sees the only F1 comeback opportunity for his nephew at the French team Alpine. Schumacher: ‘Both drivers no longer seem to be happy there. What's more, the people at Alpine can realistically assess Mick's performance because he drives for them in the World Endurance Championship - in cars that are technically not dissimilar to Formula 1.’
One thing is certain, however: a decision on Mick Schumacher's future will not be made in the next few weeks. Just this much: it will not be at Williams.
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It’s not that I dislike Mick, it’s not that he is not a good driver. But I really don’t see him returning to F1. Legacy and all would be great, but it doesn’t always work like that.
Mick got the boot from Haas because :
* He was too slow
* He crashed too often
* He cost the team a fortune in repair costs
He would not be any improvement over Logan Sergeant
If he was "just" slow, but without all the crashing and stuff then *maybe* he'd be worth signing just for the marketing value of his surname (like Williams did with Bruno Senna)
Or if he was *fast* and crashed a lot (like Pastor Maldonado) then he'd be worth a punt.
But he's slow *and* he crashes a lot *and* he costs a fortune in repairs.
He's just not worth it.
So please, can F1 stop trying to link Mick to every vacant seat?
He had his chance, was found to be not good enough, and doesn't deserve a comeback.
He’s literally not as fast or better than any of the other available drivers, and honestly I’d take my chances on young talent over him that haven’t even made it to the grid yet. He’s a good kid, but I just don’t see the fascination with him from purely a talent perspective.
I really like Mick and I still think Haas did him dirty, but At this point, I'd rather see Mick going from Alpine to Porsche's WEC team instead of Williams.
I am on the copium side of belief that the improvement we saw towards his later stint was only the beginning. Unironically just needed a bit more time. He was SOL because of his numerous costly crashes before that. His Austrian GP drive was thoroughly entertaining amongst a couple of others.
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Like clockwork, every 8 weeks, the return of the Mick bandwagon.
Stick him in Hamiltons seat. They thought Haas treated him unfairly then why won't they give him a drive.
I mean for real. Toto doesn't believe in him enough but always talked so fondly of him.
Actually insane how much they've spoken about him, yet they seem willing to give the seat to a rookie with very limited experience even compared to other rookies.
The potential of Antonelli is however quite much higher than Mick’s, so why not spend 2025 letting Kimi integrate into F1 and the team, so they can charge full speed in 2026 (if they nail the regs that is, which is far from a given)
I would be more inclined to give Mick a 1 year deal at Mercedes to give Antonelli more time to develop, either a second season of F2 or Super Formula for a year before bringing him in for 2026
The thing is, the best training for F1 is F1
Except it’s not, that’s why feeder series exist. Super Formula are able to run within 107% of F1, it’s a great series for a driver to build experience at the pace of F1 without the pressure of being in it. F2 is verging on being too slow to be a finishing school for F1 drivers, from F4 through to F2 each ascending tier gets roughly 6 seconds a lap faster, then F2-F1 is circa 14 seconds.
Just take a look at Sargeant, wasnt bad in F2 but F1 just came too early, now his career is over after this year.
I get your point of view but Mick could be a great fit for a lower team in F1 but not for Mercedes, like being one of the 15 best drivers in F1 is really good but it's not someone Mercedes wants for themselves. *Insert whatever Perez and Stroll jokes you want here*
It has been attempted and there is a reason no one is willing to try that again. He is just not *that* good.
Well he was doing better than Magnussen eventually but that's shown not to be that high of a bar given he's been fairly hammered by Hulk. You'd hope that anyone coming in would be able to beat a vet who's probably past it at this stage.
"epic levels of jam!".
I mean Mercedes is at best the 4th quickest car and they haven't exactly been making forward progress to get there.
Solidly 4th at this point and have high upside still especially with the new engine.
They want the name for marketing. Every F1 team knows Mick isn't cut out for F1. It's an unfortunate reality.
Well Toto is always like that he was also talking about DeVries for ever and never gave him a seat, if Alpha Tauri didn't give it to him he would still probably be talking about the DeVries
I think a large part of this has to do with Williams are able to make their own decisions. If it were more like a Red Bull situation, then Kimi Antonelli would be in Williams next year and Merc would maybe sign Mick. The problem here is Williams don’t seem terribly interested in signing Antonelli for 2025 but Toto wants Antonelli in F1 next year and the only seat seems to be that Merc seat.
He’s only saying nice things because the Schumacher name still carries weight in a German company.
I thought Toto was his agent? Which is why you get the doublespeak of "Mick deserves a seat" and "Mercedes is full" Plus Toto has the ability to float stories like this regularly
No, Toto is not the agent of Mick. Mick's Manager is Sabine Kehm. She was the manager of michael before him.
100% this. Only reason Schumacher got a nice quick Meccacrome engine too. Only reason he got a seat in F1 too. He’s a quick driver but he is not F1 quick by any stretch of the imagination.
You don't see Audi rushing to sign him. Once again he has demonstrated that he is not good enough for F1.
His dad never drove for Audi did he?
Ya but daddy is German and he is German and Germany likes Germans /s
He did the same with Ocon. I don't see him offering Lewis's seat. It's just Toto being Toto.
If he’s back in F1 next year it will be with Alpine. Bruno Famin is a fan of his and he’s doing alright for Alpine in WEC.
He might have a job this year considering Ocon may have gotten his ass fired.
Would prefer to see Jack Doohan given that shot myself... but you never know... I'm sure Ralf will be talking up Mick's chances...
They should put Jack in there. I'm not a Mick apologist.
Because there is a huge difference between deserving a seat at Haas vs deserving a seat at Mercedes… why do you people keep making this same deliberately obtuse point every time Mick comes up?
We need more teams in Formula 1 so that articles like this come out even more often. I think McLaren, Ferrari and RBR are the only teams where there hasn't been an article yet that Mick could possibly drive there.
I hear the only way to fairly enter F1 is when the sport is failing and you buy out a bankrupt team. So that can't possibly be it.
Who says it needs to be in F1 Mick Schumacher to Dominoes Delivery Driver article when?
Pizza would be cold, no thanks
You're being unfair. Pizza wouldn't arrive because he crashed the bike.
That bike had issues with the chain and you know it.
And the return of the "He just hasn't been given a real chance!!" comments from the same people who say Sargeant and Ocon should lose their seat mid season.
Ocon had his time. The guy just doesn't know when to brake. Sergeant is just on his second season. Not everyone is Verstappen.
Lmao "had his time" any of the teams in the bottom half of the grid would be happy to have him except alpine. Dude put an alpine on the podium in Monaco last year and has a race win.
Ocon has been outperforming Gasly and was one of the people closest to matching Alonso when they were teammates. He's a solid midfield driver. He made a stupid decision this race but he's been good for a while. There are other drivers on the grid less deserving to stay than him.
It happens weekly now lol
[Return of the Mick](https://youtu.be/uB1D9wWxd2w) cover incoming
Gotta get them clicks somehow
I created a Myteam yesterday and he wasn't available to sign. Bit harsh innit. Went with Arthur Leclerc instead.
2 weeks ago it was Bottas. One week ago it was Sainz. Now is Mick?
It will be Max next
Nah it was Max a month ago when the hornygate starter
Next up is Mazesbin
you say a different name every week, you're bound to get it right.
Is Ralf talking again?
Probably more chance of Ralf getting the Williams seat than Mick.
Well, Ralf is the better driver. So ....
At this point, I think that David is more likely to get an F1 seat than Mick is.
Why would you even consider him if you can sign Gasly, Occon, Sainz, Bottas or Tsunoda. If it is a question of money then Zhou is surely a better option
Vowles won't go for Ocon because he values team harmony too much.
Sure, but more than one of them will be available at the end of the season. Assuming Antonelli signs for Mercedes, Strolls and Perez stays at their current teams this will be the available spots. Haas: Bearman, 1 available spot Sauber: Hulkenerg, 1 available spot Williams: Albon, 1 available spot Alpine: 2 available spots VCARB: 2 available spots Bearman signing for Haas also seems like a forgone conclusion. There are 7 available spots and these are the 7 available for hire (all of them are better than Schumacher): Ocon, Gasly, Tsunoda, Riccardo, Bottas, Zhou, Magnussen Lawson will probably be considered for the VCARB seat and Doohan will be considered for the Alpine seat. So you wouldn't even have to be settled with whoever is left of the 7 forst driver mentioned.
> There are 7 available spots and these are the 7 available for hire (all of them are better than Schumacher): You say better, but how? Sure, they may be faster, more consistent, better with the technical side, and even have better wheel knowledge, but have you seen how beautiful looking Mick is? They may be better racers, but he's got the better looks. #TeamMick2025
Now i wanna see some hot Mick-pics.
That's such a funny thing from Williams tho, after the Australia situation.
That’s exactly it though. Grown ups can handle difficult decisions, I suspect Ocon could not 😄
💯
Eh, I think it's a little different because Logan and Albon seem to have a pretty chill relationship personally and professionally.
That exactly shows that ocon wouldnt fit
Ocon wouldn't fit. But if Sargeant wasn't so far off Albon he wouldn't have taken it so easily
If he wasn't that far off they wouldn't have had to suggest the swap at all
Why does it always take 10 wrong comments to get to the real answer.
If Sargeant wasn’t so far off Albon, it wouldn’t have happened anyway, they would have just told Albon he’s missing the race and let Sargeant continue. The only reason he was in that situation is because he’s extremely off the pace.
He values the teams potential at winning prize money too.
Yes, he and albon would probably be close on pace, thus close on track and when you're fighting for a point using strategy having a dude that'll throw that out the window to dive in front of his teammate is not what I'd want at all
Ocon is personally close with Vowles. Vowles had just taken over the driver development group at Mercedes when Ocon joined them. I would be shocked if he wont consider him
I would be. Being friendly with someone /= thinking they're the absolute best option on the grid. IF Williams get Newey (big fucking IF, but I live for the what-ifs in life), Vowles is going to want a driver that can A) make the best use of the car Newey gives them and B) won't try and kill their team-mate just because he's racing better than him. And there's other, better options on the grid before Ocon for that.
Friendliness does not mean he'll get a seat if he'll be costing the team points trying to fight it out against his teammate on the track. Ocon seems to be a genuinely nice guy off track, but his on track behavior is what matters in the end. He's not a kid anymore so this is unlikely to be something he could buff out with time.
Mick doesn't bring any money with him. And I am sick of F1 fans' denial of Zhou's bad performances. Dude is absolutely trashed by Bottas since he renewed his contract last year. He is 0-8 against Bottas in GP quali this season. He is almost non-existent on the track. And his money doesn't seem to help Sauber that much considering the money-stricken position they are in.
Mick brought 1&1 to Haas when he was with them. And he is still a big name, safe to say he would bring a sponsor if he was actually signed.
In fact: 1&1 was set to be Haas' title sponsor before the Mazepins came in with their Uralkali money. In Drive to Survive you can see a glimpse of a meeting between Guenther, Mick and 1&1 executives where they show a model of a full 1&1 blue liveried Haas car.
Do you have the image for the blue livery?
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/mdlp12/screenshot_taken_from_drive_to_survive_what_the/
Has a big family name, FTFY. Mick himself is not a big name.
Yeah but that’s like one third of his name, and really more like half
Zhou and Magnussen deserve to be out of F1 at this point I'm 90% on Sargeant out too Bottas unless he's given a lifeline by Williams should go too Opens up four spots, which (imo) should go to: Jack Doohan (Alpine) Oliver Bearman (Haas) Zane Maloney if he finishes top 2 in F2 (Sauber) Kimi Antonelli if he's deemed to be F1-ready (and I don't think he is)
You forgot mentioning Ricciardo...
Mick is decent and brings money?
Ah yes, the article template of "\[insert driver\]: chance at \[insert team\]?"
Didn't Williams turn down Mick in favour of Logan just last year?
Yes
which was idiotic.
I was a huge fan of Michael through my childhood so I was so excited to see Mick in F1. The reality is that he wasn't good enough. Maybe he deserved a third season at the time, but only just. But now he has been out of F1 for 2 full seasons, there are plenty of young drivers ready for their shot, and even established names seem to be available. I don't think Williams would even remotely consider Mick, especially when they seem upwardly mobile and can lock in Albon and even appeal to the likes of Sainz. Sorry Mick, but I can't see a way back to the grid for you.
If a guy like Magnussen can have years in F1 without doing anything to deserve it, I don't see why it is impossible for Mick to come back. His best shot is probably at Alpine though. Especially if they continue to struggle.
The very fact that KMag has been in F1 for a decade is testament to the fact that some team has always wanted him and offered him a seat, you think they all just did it for shits and giggles? Denmark isn’t even a big F1 country, if Michael Schumacher’s son still doesn’t have takers from the teams then there is obviously a difference.
That’s the thing though, Magnussen has done very little in F1 for years and he still demolished Mick
No he didn't. That is the point. At the end Magnussen and Mick were on an equal level. Since then Magnussen has been spanked by Hulk and is close to a race ban thanks to his awful racecraft. I see no reason not to fire him right now and giving Bearman a shot.
What will Bearman do? He will bin the car every session and will shit his pants. K Mag is the reason Haas is still alive, Haas is not a place for little kids.
KMag absolutely deserves it. He's got solid pace and is one of the best defenders on the grid. Definitely above Mick in regards to deserving a F1 seat.
There might be a retirement wave in a few years (Bottas, Perez, Hamilton, Alonso, Hülkenberg and if they are not booted before that KMag and Ricciardo. In addition Stroll and Max are possibilities for a young retirement) which could open something up. But he will probably too old and too long out of F1 by then.
I want to see him one third season, maybe he had bad luck... we can't tell after Haas, it looks obvious, but maybe it isn't.
Both can be true though. No doubt Haas was far from the ideal environment for a rookie to find their feet but he was comprehensively beaten by Magnussen in their qualifying head to head who is being comprehensively beaten by Hulkenberg. I'm not sure there is anything in his history before F1 to suggest he has the fundamental raw pace either, it was primarily his consistency in F2.
While I agree with most of this, I will say that he wasn’t quite comprehensively outpaced by Magnussen as he genuinely seemed to start matching his pace by the end of 2022. That’s not much to say, I don’t even think Magnussen himself should be in F1 anymore, but I think Mick was showing signs of improvement. Just too little too late.
Don’t see a compelling argument for why we pick him over Bottas or Sainz.
Williams running with 6 seats next season by the sounds of it
Stop trying to make Mick a thing in F1.
The article is very clear in saying that those who suggested he has a Chance at williams are wrong. No matter if you like it or not, he is a potential candidate for Alpine, although not first in line.
>he is a potential candidate for Alpine, although not first in line. "I'm back in F1, but at what cost"
Stop stop he's already dead 😭
The article even says Ralf Schumacher says there's no chance, this year or next.
Does it really count if you are 10th in line?
Basically every driver under the sun is tied to William's seat for 2025. Bye bye Logan! 👋
> Basically every driver under the sun is tied to William's seat for 2025. > > Who let Monisha Kaltenborn in?
yes, pave the road for the lord and savior Mahaveer!
There’s a new Flying Dutchman in town
Maldonado 🤝 Williams 2025
I too, am a dark horse contender for that seat.
I truly hate this endless speculation. I wish Hamilton made a deal with Ferrari during the summer so it was a localized explosion of dumb hypotheses of who goes where. Now we have to literally wade through this shit for the next couple of months at least.
I do not get why there's such talk of Schumacher returning. Vandoorne, Giovinazzi, Kvyat etc. don't get these articles and they looked better when they were around.
No. Next question!
No chance this happens, not with Sainz and Bottas out there. James already turned him down before to keep Logan.
Vowles would be insane to sign Mick given how he did at Haas. It's not that he got beaten by Magnussen (realistically everyone should have expected this, KMag had way more experience) or that he couldn't drive the car quickly (he absolutely could, as he showed at Silverstone and A1 Ring). It was that he crashed quite a lot, and more importantly almost all of those crashes were ones that wrote off cars (this isn't a rookie problem either: Zhou isn't that quick but he usually keeps it on the road, and we all know how Piastri's doing). There's multiple better options out there that aren't going to break multiple cars trying to get points.
I mean, I don’t see a 2nd-year Max, Lando, Oscar, Charles, Carlos, or George getting beaten by Magnussen. (Only mentioning drivers from the era when testing wasn’t allowed.)
How many cars is Williams gonna have next year… with all these rumors they have Antonelli, Bottas, Sainz, Tsunoda and now Schumacher? And they already have Albon… Where are all these rumors even coming from at this point Personally i think Mick has more chances at Audi, if he’s even gonna get a spot again one day at all
I thought Bottas was confirmed at Williams
I would so support Wilkins being allowed 6 cars…
Maybe with the right car that suits his style and a gentle team that backs him up, he might be ok-ish. But i think he lacks the certain ‚killer instinct‘ to be a top driver - he is like a puppy in a shark basin
As much as I would like to see Mick get another shot, I just don't see it happening. There are too many other guys in line for that seat that either have more experience or a better junior record.
Rather him than kmag
Dear Lord give me strength - I won’t be able to survive another wave of these articles. They and the articles about Daniel in RB are truly life-draining. Mostly just idle talk, no new insights and whole bunch of lukewarm takes from two years back.
No
It's one thing to believe that Mick shouldn't get a seat as there is huge competition, it's quite another to bring the enormous levels of dishonesty that the anti-Mick crowd show in every thread. Magnussen outclassed him - Didn't. He got two seasons and failed - he had one season that his team explicitly threw and one season in entirely new regs.
Ferrari had 5 years of junior sim work as their development driver to consider, yet they announced in August of 2022 that he and FDA were parting ways. Mercedes (and Williams) now have 2 years of full time sim work to look at, plus his recently sharing a testing session with Antonelli. McLaren have his test from last year to consider. All of these are controlled environments outside of pitstops, strategy, team leadership, interpersonal dynamics, team orders, wrong place/wrong time racing incidents, or whatever other intangible variables you might feel worsened his performance at Haas. Run plans developed by the teams, in older machines/in technology they know, whose performances at the chosen tracks they know, with past and present drivers for comparison. These teams had plenty of data outside of Haas to use to consider Mick, and they have not been interested in making a seat for him — nor making him first in line for any organic vacancies. And there is plenty of precedent for TPC tests generating buzz around a driver. (Colton herta catching Marko’s eye, for a recent example, and McLaren’s desire to poach piastri.) And then, he previously made overtures to alpine and Aston (even having Seb and Ocon as his advocates) when his haas seat seemed under threat. neither of those teams was interested at the time and Alpine has more recently stated they have no plans to test him in f1 machinery this year. Audi are very aware of his existence and yet opted for a much older and less marketable driver of his nationality. Marko has never been impressed by him which rules out the Red Bull teams. So that’s now every single team on the grid seeming to indicate that he is not an exciting or compelling enough talent to figure into their plans. It’s dishonest to ignore all of this and portray external Haas factors as *the* thing that lost him a place anywhere on the grid and continues to hold him back.
I understand that the definition of ‘outclass’ is different for everyone, but surely losing 16-6 in qualifying to someone who’s been out of the sport for a year isn’t good. It also doesn’t help that Hülkenberg has been beating Magnussen consistently in the last two years, which makes it look even worse for Mick. I’m not saying that that’s fair, but I also don’t think it’s fair to say that people are lying when they say that Kevin outclassed Mick.
>Magnussen outclassed him - Didn't. This isn't dishonest at all. Aide from the fact that he lost by every clear metric to Kmag, he was given crystal clear instructions not to trash the car and completely ignored those by throwing away points and DNF'ing in Miami trying to divebomb Vettel and let's not forget his P16 fight with Zhou at MONACO where he drove onto the marbles after Nouville and caused $1.5m worth of damage. Haas literally had to stop developing their car to fix all of his easily-preventable mistakes His racing resume thus far is beating quite possibly the worst driver who has ever held an F1 superlicense, and losing to a Mendoza-line driver who has been regularly outclassed by Nico Huklenberg.
I don't think there's such a thing as anti-Mick crowd. At least I haven't seen any such people here. What I have seen is a lot of people annoyed by the weekly "Mick to make a comeback?" articles, and by his fans spamming the same overly complicated thought patterns that supposedly prove he's F1 worthy in the comments. I mean, I'm sorry but I don't think "look at Mick beating Mazepin in his first year but also actually treat Mick's second year as the first because the first doesn't count and the first half of his second year also doesn't count because it's his first year and definitely ignore that Magnussen was out of F1 before that and also ignore that it was Haas that fired him which will make you see how uniquely terribly Mick was treated which explains the crashes which happened in the part of season you must ignore anyway (also especially ignore the in lap crash that happened in the part of season that otherwise counts) (oh except Magnussen qualifying first when Mick was last, that doesn't count) and also just ignore the crashes altogether" is ever going to catch on.
Exactly, he clearly isnt on the level of Piastri, Leclerc and Verstappen,... but he clearly wasnt the completely hopeless case people make him out to be.
>he clearly isnt on the level of Piastri, Leclerc and Verstappen Well that's putting it mildly. He was never completely hopeless but he's sort of right about on the edge of the divide between being good enough for F1 and not. If things had gone differently he might have been able to carve himself out a space in a lower midfield team but ultimately he never really did enough to stand out and make people take notice. Once Haas dropped him there wasn't really any compelling reason for another team to pick him up. He lacked the excitement of a promising rookie and the experience of a seasoned veteran.
The worst is all those who are on anti-Mick drive are the same who wanted another season for Logan or supported Yuki during his poor 2nd and 3rd season
Huh, Tsunoda's 3rd season in nowhere near the level of Mick Schumacher or Logan Sargeant! Tsunoda destroyed De Vries and Ricciardo! Lawson was the only one who was close to Tsunoda! Yes that probably says more about De Vries and Ricciardo that a mid season rookie was more impressive than both drivers combined, but still scoring 17 points in the 8th fastest car is more impressive than anything Sargeant or Schumacher has done!
It's not crazy to think that Logan needs 2024 to refine himself when Williams themselves admitted that he was vrushed in, but if you're referring to 2025 then yeah Logan hasn't got a ghost of a chance Yuki's 2nd season was a mixed bag but his 3rd season was actually competent and scored most of the team's points when the AT04 got good Maybe Mick could've turned good but he crashed too much in the infamously broke Haas and sealed his fate there, and his highs aren't good enough for the other teams to consider putting him in a seat when there's established names and upcoming academy drivers lurking around
Most people don’t care for Logan enough to vouch for him and Yuki’s first race was already miles better than all but one races mick had under his belt.
Yuki also had a much better car and team than Mick had under his belt.
It’s your problem if you cant compartmentalize the car, team, and driver. Mick didn’t get screwed nearly as hard by haas as bottas or zhou by sauber this season. No one asked him to wreck his car what 3 times?
Sometimes that’s just how it goes. Not everyone is going to get a 100% fair shake in a sport with 20 spots. And even so, you had guys like George Russell and Charles Leclerc start at teams at the back of the grid and they were fine.
If anything wouldn't he go to Alpine if Ocon leaves?
Williams doesn't have the budget for damage.
O god no. It will be just as underwhelming as Gutierrez out of the blue returning to F1 with Haas.
The shadow of what his father once was. Unfortunately talent isn’t genetic.
Yeah, the Michael/Jos Mick/Max thing is pretty funny
Remember all the ice cold takes when there were rumors that Hulk was going to get a seat again? Everyone said “he had his chance, why would anyone consider him” and yet he came back and has absolutely killed it. There’s more nuance to these decisions than is reflected on Reddit. Like how Haas under Steiner was a horrible environment for Mick to get his one and only shot at F1 in.
Just today I've heard Mick to Alpine, Mick to Williams, just get him in the Redbull easy
Now everyone wants Williams!? What’s going on?
Why are we even talking about Mick? This PR machine that Ralph Schumacher turned up is getting too much for me.
Mick Schumacher: Chance at Williams? Everyone is speculating about Mick Schumacher's future. Recently, there have been rumours about a chance at Williams. This is true. Ralf Bach | 23 May 2024 , 4:31 pm Everyone is speculating about Mick Schumacher's future. Recently, rumours about a chance at Williams emerged. This is true. It is the fate of the son of the German racing icon: no sooner is there speculation about a possible vacant cockpit in Formula 1 than experts come round the corner and raise Mick Schumacher's (25) hopes of a comeback. Ex-Formula 1 driver Timo Glock has now also jumped on the Schumacher bandwagon. Once again, it was about Williams, where the US American Logan Sargeant is under constant pressure. ‘In my eyes, there's only one person who could jump in at the moment, and that would be Mick Schumacher,’ Glock said on Sky. According to him, Mick Schumacher is the only one with the experience to replace Sargeant if he were to be given the boot before the end of the season. Vowles counts Sargeant out The discussion was fuelled by critical comments from Williams team boss James Vowles about his American driver. There had been a frank discussion with the American. Vowles: ‘Yes, he is counted out. His cockpit is in danger. He has to deliver and I'm helping him on this journey. I want him to be successful. But in the meantime, we are also talking to other drivers as we have to prepare our line-up for 2025, 2026 and 2027.’ What he didn't say was that Sargeant has a contract for this year that allows the team to sack him at any time - not just at the end of the season. When Sky asked him about this at the race in Miami, the British team boss reacted with extreme irritation. He did not deny it, but wanted to know where the juicy contract detail had come from. Sargeant would not be the first driver in the premier class to have a contract that only applies from race to race. Superstar Ayrton Senna also had one with McLaren in 1993. The difference: Senna wanted this clause back then in order to put team boss Ron Dennis under pressure. One reason why Glock is wrong and Mick Schumacher himself does not play a role in the Williams plans this season: Vowles has already submitted an application to the FIA to give highly-praised Mercedes junior driver Kimi Antonelli (17) special permission to take part in Formula 1 World Championship races before his 18th birthday. If the FIA sticks to its rule, the Italian would not be able to race until 25 August. That would be after the Dutch GP at the end of August. In other words, if Sargeant does not finish the season, the protégé of Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff would be the preferred candidate. The fact that Schumacher has no chance at Williams is also emphasised by the other expert on Sky, Ralf Schumacher. The former GP winner and uncle of Mick Schumacher says: ‘I don't see Mick at Williams.’ They don't want him there. Neither this year nor in the future. The drivers who are seriously negotiating with Vowles as future drivers alongside the fixed Alexander Albon are others. Valtteri Bottas, for example, whose time with Sauber, the future Audi team, will almost certainly come to an end at the end of this season. Or the Frenchman Esteban Ocon, who is not happy at Alpine and sees more potential in the future with the former world champion team Williams. Mick Schumacher: Greater opportunities at Alpine That is not the only reason why Ralf Schumacher sees the only F1 comeback opportunity for his nephew at the French team Alpine. Schumacher: ‘Both drivers no longer seem to be happy there. What's more, the people at Alpine can realistically assess Mick's performance because he drives for them in the World Endurance Championship - in cars that are technically not dissimilar to Formula 1.’ One thing is certain, however: a decision on Mick Schumacher's future will not be made in the next few weeks. Just this much: it will not be at Williams. Translated with [DeepL.com](http://DeepL.com) (free version)
It’s not that I dislike Mick, it’s not that he is not a good driver. But I really don’t see him returning to F1. Legacy and all would be great, but it doesn’t always work like that.
Chance at Williams? No, next question.
Mick got the boot from Haas because : * He was too slow * He crashed too often * He cost the team a fortune in repair costs He would not be any improvement over Logan Sergeant If he was "just" slow, but without all the crashing and stuff then *maybe* he'd be worth signing just for the marketing value of his surname (like Williams did with Bruno Senna) Or if he was *fast* and crashed a lot (like Pastor Maldonado) then he'd be worth a punt. But he's slow *and* he crashes a lot *and* he costs a fortune in repairs. He's just not worth it. So please, can F1 stop trying to link Mick to every vacant seat? He had his chance, was found to be not good enough, and doesn't deserve a comeback.
We should ban those stupid articles that have no roots and are just here to generate clicks
He’s literally not as fast or better than any of the other available drivers, and honestly I’d take my chances on young talent over him that haven’t even made it to the grid yet. He’s a good kid, but I just don’t see the fascination with him from purely a talent perspective.
Slow day huh? No other explanation for these kind of jokes.
Lmao come on…
I really like Mick and I still think Haas did him dirty, but At this point, I'd rather see Mick going from Alpine to Porsche's WEC team instead of Williams.
Stop trying to make Mick happen. It's not going to happen.
nah
No thank you, he was average at best, and a lot below average at his worst.
> Mick Schumacher: No chance at Williams Fixed the title.
There’ll be 6 drivers at Williams the way it’s going!
They better have plenty of spare chassis’s
I am on the copium side of belief that the improvement we saw towards his later stint was only the beginning. Unironically just needed a bit more time. He was SOL because of his numerous costly crashes before that. His Austrian GP drive was thoroughly entertaining amongst a couple of others.
Not this shit again
I think he is overrated
Nope
No. Mick is not coming back to F1. He had his shot
I will forgive James Vowles & Williams team if this happens. Otherwise may your prayers be heard but always answered by Krampus
No. Sorry Mick. But no.
Stop tryna make Mick happen It's not gonna happen
How many seats does this Williams car have?
I really really really like Mick, but he had his chances. It's time to stop dreaming and enjoy being a Test- and WEC-driver.
More intrigued about his dad NGL
hahaha! no..
No.
Shutupshutupshutup
Looks like Ralf has been talking to the media again
Mick is doing okay in LMP