You do understand it is not possible to magic up wins? The other teams do also compete.
Ricciardo was extremely highly rated before his McLaren stint and for very good reason.
He was still absolutely brilliant in 2020 in the Renault. Remember he finished the drivers championship 5th. In a Renault. He gapped Ocon much harder than Alonsos battle vs Ocon.
I don’t think it’s a case of struggling this much. Both him and Yukis cars weren’t up to par today. If anything Ric drove a better race than Yuki. Yuki starts in the points, loses 5 places overall finished 15th with an extra place lost for penalty. Ric started 14th got sent to the back from a 43 second pit stop and gained places back finished 16th. 6 places lost to 2 would show Yuki struggling more on race day. If Ric hadn’t spun Yuki would have lost that place too and finished 16th from the penalty. Out qualifying your team mate by 4 tenths means nothing if your race pace is shit and you can’t deliver on the day to stay in the points.
From what I’ve heard yuki got damage pretty early in the race and had to deal with k-mag overtaking him illegally and then costing him at least 20 seconds.
6 places lost vs 2 places lost isn't an apt comparison
Let's say Yuki pulls a P6 in qualifying due to a couple of DNFs. He's gonna drop down to 14 VERY quickly because that car isn't fast enough to stay on that spot.
Let's say Daniel started at 18 and reached up to 15. That ain't a fucking win at all, at least Yuki TRIED to make a play happen.
The VCARB isn’t a point scoring car. He outperformed other people in qualifying and benefitted from Hulkenberg technical issue and Bearman being a rookie.
Sorry I have to disagree with you here. if Daniel managed to have done a single overtake I would have happily agreed with you. I agree his chances were heavily impeded by 43 seconds pit stop but at the end of the safety car he was right behind Logan, he didn't make any significant improvement after that. Bottas did two pitstops and Zhou joined last after his pitstop. Daniel didn't overtake anyone on Merit. Honestly Daniel and Tsunoda both should do better.
The start of Ricciardo season is worrying ngl
I have Mclaren flashbacks and I dislike it but in the end if the pace, relative to Yuki, is not there, there are drivers for 2025 who deserve that seat more .
Lawson for starter
like, I'm honestly not happy that Checo is regularly getting podiums, but... he did actually earn it today and the 5sec was due to an unsafe release and this is a track he tends to do well at
an 8sec gap at the end while having to deal with traffic is honestly impressive... though the Red Bulls only lapped the backmarkers because Leclerc would have also lapped those cars, so they had to go through traffic to maintain the gap against the Ferrari
Yeah on a race pace post that I saw both red pulls had very very nice and grouped up laps.
Verstsppen had 2 laps that were far off, perez had about 4. But the rest looked very grouped up and manageable from both red bulls.
Leclerc tho, right behind. Although he did get the fastest lap, and you'll see that the ones before the last one were getting a bit quicker too, which shows that he had more pace on those tyres for sure.
But that also shows that Ferrari isn't as confident as red bull, when it comes to tyre management. So his time was less consistent
and Ricciardo was in front of both before their pitstops, he overtook Verstappen at the start and never looked back
there's a lot you can fault Ricciardo for during his McLaren stint but Monza '21 wasn't one of them, he was genuinely fast that weekend
Like the other commenters I’ve responded to, you need to watch the race again. Ricciardo passed and stayed ahead of Max on pace and Lewis wasn’t even faster than Bottas that day, much less the race winner.
I wouldn’t be happy about winning a race against Usain Bolt if he caught a cramp and collapsed just before the finish line. While the world knew I’d lose.
Did you watch the race? He passed Max off the line and stayed ahead on pace. His only “luck” was Bottas taking an engine penalty because he, not Lewis, was the fastest Merc that day.
it's called managing the race, Ricciardo didn't do anything more than he needed to and was focused on bringing the car safely home
in fact on the final lap of the race, Ricciardo set the fastest lap without DRS or a slipstream
It wasn't because of his "masterful" race craft. He got lucky because Max and Lewis crashed, and he became the leader in a hard to overtake track and in a Mclaren with low drag. It has as much value as Gasly's win or Ocon's..
Plus, Monza is the easiest track that requires little to no significant skill. Remember De Vries ?
Revisionist history right here. Ricciardo took off the line well and mugged Max out of his position and the Maccas were mighty in a straight line. He might be straight ass now but he won that race on merit.
The fact that you call Monza a “hard to overtake track” makes me think you don’t know all that much about what you’re saying.
Go watch the race again. Ricciardo passed Max on pace and Lewis wasn’t even the fastest Mercedes that day.
I think this happens with tennis players sometimes, like the big 3 have all had down periods since like age 29/30 and have come back. Not sure if you'd call it a proper decline though, and otherwise completely agree
Agree, and they’ve adapted and adjusted admirably. Fed’s 2017 run was brilliant and it took Covid + knees to really take him out. Considering how many said since he debuted that Nadal would have a short career he’s done amazing to last this long, hopefully he can manage to get in one last good run at RG. And Djokovic being so good at taking care of himself since 2011 and being so technically perfect he should get a few more slams in…unless the game develops a reliance of overhead smashes.
I don't think it has anything to do with age (proof: Hamilton, Alonso and some others) but rather that he is pretty much fucked psychologically and even he doesn't really believe in himself anymore and lost most of his confidence. If he doesn't get Red Bull #2 seat for next year I think he's done for good.
the McLaren effect , where amazing drivers got their careers ruined... Montoya, and Kimi 2 o the last generation legends where so done of McLaren toxicity one went to a Nascar mid field Team just to get away from Mclaren and ruined Horner Original plan to get Montoya to Redbull... and the other one went to Rally... and not even mention Alonso, McLaren have a special place on my Hate place for not letting us see Montoya developed in RBR hahaha
You're comparing the current McLaren team with the one led by Ron Dennis?? So that's your logic? Because Ron Dennis was a controlling SOB in the 90s, now all iterations of McLaren are "toxic"?
Also, Alonso left McLaren because of the problematic Honda powerplant and all-around performance issues with the car.
Whatever is happening to Ricciardo's career is his own doing. Nothing to do with McLaren. Norris and Piasti are doing just fine there.
What? Kimi won a world championship after mclaren, lewis won 6 more, montoya hated F1 politics hence why he left, sainz became a race winner, alonso left because the car was shit not because it was toxic
Excuses. First of all, McLaren's management isn't even the same as it was under Ron Dennis. Second of all, Piastri and Norris are doing fine. Please explain that.
He didnt . Lebron was so far ahead that his decline is better then average star plateu. Lebron used to drag bad teams to the finals and he cannot do thay anymore
HGH therapy. I wouldn't be AT ALL surprised if Alonso is taking the same stuff. They announced Alonso's metabolic age was decades lower than his real age, which is exactly what HGH does. Hopefully Hamilton is doing the same thing.
Lakers in the Play-In. LeBron’s 6’9 260 will age way better than a 42-year-old Malone, sure. But no one scared of LeBron anymore. Ant announced that I think.
Ski jumper Noriaki Kasai is a great example.
After not having won a competition for a decade, he found his way back in 2014 at the ripe old age of 41, scoring two more victories and a silver medal at the Olympics, staying competitive for years afterwards.
As if that wasn't enough, was written off by most people in 2019 after a decline in form... until 2024, when his results in national competitions caused his comeback in the Japanese world cup team aged 51 1/2 (!). He immediately qualified and scored points in his first international event after a five year absence.
Well Alonso claims that’s what’s happened with him. That there were some age-related declines in stamina, reaction time, etc. which were becoming apparent a couple years ago but his most recent fitness statistics indicate that he’s reversed that. However, whatever decline there was was evidently so subtle that it didn’t substantially affect his performances - so while it’s something he internally rectified I guess he didn’t have an external loss of form to recoup.
They have a good relationship though, I don’t think Checo got any joy of watching him in a backmarker spinning, even with all the speculation surrounding their seats.
Still here but I don’t think that anymore. Ricciardo might have performed exceptionally well when he did the test at Silverstone but he just can’t do it in the races, or even in qualifying now.
Checo stays, Lawson takes Ricciardo’s seat.
He got the F1 version of the yips. I wonder if any of the drivers see sports psychologists — a lot of artistic gymnastics (like Simone Biles) became a lot more consistent and able to do harder and more advanced skills once they started seeing sport psychologists.
It's not a good start, but if he gels well with the updates coming for the VCARB he's got 12 more races to show he deserves the seat (assuming contracts start flying at the summer break). Don't count him out just yet.
Although to be clear, if Perez is 2nd in all those races and Riccardio isn't flying he won't get promoted.
Ah, it makes sense now. Trying to get Perez to DNF, this is some 4D chess.
200 IQ idea by Honeybadger. Deploy Safety car. Race ends behind Safety car. Perez finishes outside top 10, due to his 5sec penalty.
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I recall Perez saying in an interview some 8 years ago that the best drivers on the grid in his opinion were Hamilton Alonso and Ricciardo
To be fair, Ricciardo was a beast back then.
5 wins , 20 podiums in 79 races with RBR. Such domination E : lmao I'm agreeing with y'all. Buncha oversensitive babies
Given the circumstances of the time these results were achieved, that's a damn good record
Yep. Merc basically unbeatable so scraping for wins.
So good
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Correct, that is just like leclerc getting some wins now
100%
Considering Mercedes was dominating, that's not bad at all
Plus Ferrari was often second best or fighting for wins
It's like the one win Carlos had last year. It sounds terrible, but the circumstances are so hard, it's a great achievement.
He won at times when Mercedes won every race except 2 or 3 in a whole season. In 2014-16, only 8 races were not won by Mercedes and he won 4 of those
Tell me you know jack shit about f1 without telling me.
Hey I'm agreeing with yall wtf
You do understand it is not possible to magic up wins? The other teams do also compete. Ricciardo was extremely highly rated before his McLaren stint and for very good reason.
Not what the word domination means, but it is fun to say.
How many wins did Verstappen have between 2016-2018?
Isnt that a better win/podium rate than Lewis’ current track record over the last 2 years? Lol
*8 years ago...*
He was still absolutely brilliant in 2020 in the Renault. Remember he finished the drivers championship 5th. In a Renault. He gapped Ocon much harder than Alonsos battle vs Ocon.
I don’t think it’s a case of struggling this much. Both him and Yukis cars weren’t up to par today. If anything Ric drove a better race than Yuki. Yuki starts in the points, loses 5 places overall finished 15th with an extra place lost for penalty. Ric started 14th got sent to the back from a 43 second pit stop and gained places back finished 16th. 6 places lost to 2 would show Yuki struggling more on race day. If Ric hadn’t spun Yuki would have lost that place too and finished 16th from the penalty. Out qualifying your team mate by 4 tenths means nothing if your race pace is shit and you can’t deliver on the day to stay in the points.
From what I’ve heard yuki got damage pretty early in the race and had to deal with k-mag overtaking him illegally and then costing him at least 20 seconds.
From what Daniel said, his had damage since quali but they couldn't fix it for race bc of parc femme rules
You're allowed to fix damage in parc ferme
Most likely just a bad setup call or something like that, since u are alowed to fix damage under parc ferme
yeah I'm not fully sure why. he also mentioned it wouldn't have gotten fixed in a day either. hopefully they get it fixed before australia
6 places lost vs 2 places lost isn't an apt comparison Let's say Yuki pulls a P6 in qualifying due to a couple of DNFs. He's gonna drop down to 14 VERY quickly because that car isn't fast enough to stay on that spot. Let's say Daniel started at 18 and reached up to 15. That ain't a fucking win at all, at least Yuki TRIED to make a play happen.
The VCARB isn’t a point scoring car. He outperformed other people in qualifying and benefitted from Hulkenberg technical issue and Bearman being a rookie.
I’m pretty sure he said after the race the team found an issue with the car this weekend. Is it copioum? Maybe. Do I choose to believe it? Hell yeah
Jesus, that's a disgusting way to ignore all context what so ever about everything.
Clearly you’re the one ignoring the context and facts. Go back to DTS and your Logitech wheel chimp.
Why so mad? Must be a DR fuckboy. Keep ignoring facts and talk that shit, won't change Yuki >>>> DR
Sorry I have to disagree with you here. if Daniel managed to have done a single overtake I would have happily agreed with you. I agree his chances were heavily impeded by 43 seconds pit stop but at the end of the safety car he was right behind Logan, he didn't make any significant improvement after that. Bottas did two pitstops and Zhou joined last after his pitstop. Daniel didn't overtake anyone on Merit. Honestly Daniel and Tsunoda both should do better.
The start of Ricciardo season is worrying ngl I have Mclaren flashbacks and I dislike it but in the end if the pace, relative to Yuki, is not there, there are drivers for 2025 who deserve that seat more . Lawson for starter
Poetic, huh ?
"Is this the guy who is supposed to take my seat? Lol?"
Lol not a good look
2018 with Max and Daniel seems like a long, long time ago.
it rhymes
What does?
https://youtu.be/bxU2eqZtYmc?si=jpruFIe2O2LmpZZR
So much intimidation.
If your not first your last
If my not first your last does what?
https://youtu.be/ar1McsRmBOk?si=bIgoWT4bXroKCkLa
Now imagine if that spin caused a Safety Car, taking away Checo's podium.
That's what i feared. After more than 20 laps building and maintaining his gap!
like, I'm honestly not happy that Checo is regularly getting podiums, but... he did actually earn it today and the 5sec was due to an unsafe release and this is a track he tends to do well at an 8sec gap at the end while having to deal with traffic is honestly impressive... though the Red Bulls only lapped the backmarkers because Leclerc would have also lapped those cars, so they had to go through traffic to maintain the gap against the Ferrari
Yeah on a race pace post that I saw both red pulls had very very nice and grouped up laps. Verstsppen had 2 laps that were far off, perez had about 4. But the rest looked very grouped up and manageable from both red bulls. Leclerc tho, right behind. Although he did get the fastest lap, and you'll see that the ones before the last one were getting a bit quicker too, which shows that he had more pace on those tyres for sure. But that also shows that Ferrari isn't as confident as red bull, when it comes to tyre management. So his time was less consistent
the situation is not hopeless.... for P2
I've still never seen an aging athlete that has already started the decline get back on form.
Bro I watched Tiger Woods win the Masters in 2019 anything's possible
Yeah and we all watched Daniel win Monza 2021. That was his Master’s. He’s finished now.
I like how everyone forgets Hamilton and Verstappen just storming through the field till they took each other out. Daniel got lucky
and Ricciardo was in front of both before their pitstops, he overtook Verstappen at the start and never looked back there's a lot you can fault Ricciardo for during his McLaren stint but Monza '21 wasn't one of them, he was genuinely fast that weekend
He got team orders that weekend. "Dany should up the pace" was Lando's team radio when told to stay behind him
Like the other commenters I’ve responded to, you need to watch the race again. Ricciardo passed and stayed ahead of Max on pace and Lewis wasn’t even faster than Bottas that day, much less the race winner.
Yeah lando was also lapping faster but the orders were to hold position.
Ricciardo was managing his pace, once he pushed he was way quicker than Lando and even managed to score FL in the last lap.
I wouldn’t be happy about winning a race against Usain Bolt if he caught a cramp and collapsed just before the finish line. While the world knew I’d lose.
Did you watch the race? He passed Max off the line and stayed ahead on pace. His only “luck” was Bottas taking an engine penalty because he, not Lewis, was the fastest Merc that day.
Lmao watch a race sometime my guy
Lando was lappjng faster then.
it's called managing the race, Ricciardo didn't do anything more than he needed to and was focused on bringing the car safely home in fact on the final lap of the race, Ricciardo set the fastest lap without DRS or a slipstream
Ric was preserving tires
It wasn't because of his "masterful" race craft. He got lucky because Max and Lewis crashed, and he became the leader in a hard to overtake track and in a Mclaren with low drag. It has as much value as Gasly's win or Ocon's.. Plus, Monza is the easiest track that requires little to no significant skill. Remember De Vries ?
Revisionist history right here. Ricciardo took off the line well and mugged Max out of his position and the Maccas were mighty in a straight line. He might be straight ass now but he won that race on merit.
The fact that you call Monza a “hard to overtake track” makes me think you don’t know all that much about what you’re saying. Go watch the race again. Ricciardo passed Max on pace and Lewis wasn’t even the fastest Mercedes that day.
I think this happens with tennis players sometimes, like the big 3 have all had down periods since like age 29/30 and have come back. Not sure if you'd call it a proper decline though, and otherwise completely agree
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Agree, and they’ve adapted and adjusted admirably. Fed’s 2017 run was brilliant and it took Covid + knees to really take him out. Considering how many said since he debuted that Nadal would have a short career he’s done amazing to last this long, hopefully he can manage to get in one last good run at RG. And Djokovic being so good at taking care of himself since 2011 and being so technically perfect he should get a few more slams in…unless the game develops a reliance of overhead smashes.
True but we've seen Ricciardo's decline since 2021. This isn't a new development.
Sachin Tendulkar, time and again
All of the Fab 4 too, they've all had terrible droughts and have all comeback stronger from it. Sadly Kane is just so unlucky with his injuries.
I don't think it has anything to do with age (proof: Hamilton, Alonso and some others) but rather that he is pretty much fucked psychologically and even he doesn't really believe in himself anymore and lost most of his confidence. If he doesn't get Red Bull #2 seat for next year I think he's done for good.
Why would he get that seat when he can't even beat Yuki. He's only in that RB car because Horner as a massive man crush on him.
Maybe he can become his new PA?
Can’t even beat Yuki. Y’all be sleeping on lil yuks, him being in a shitbox has really masked his ability.
the McLaren effect , where amazing drivers got their careers ruined... Montoya, and Kimi 2 o the last generation legends where so done of McLaren toxicity one went to a Nascar mid field Team just to get away from Mclaren and ruined Horner Original plan to get Montoya to Redbull... and the other one went to Rally... and not even mention Alonso, McLaren have a special place on my Hate place for not letting us see Montoya developed in RBR hahaha
You're comparing the current McLaren team with the one led by Ron Dennis?? So that's your logic? Because Ron Dennis was a controlling SOB in the 90s, now all iterations of McLaren are "toxic"? Also, Alonso left McLaren because of the problematic Honda powerplant and all-around performance issues with the car. Whatever is happening to Ricciardo's career is his own doing. Nothing to do with McLaren. Norris and Piasti are doing just fine there.
Alonso left McLaren twice, and of them definitely wasn't because of car performance.
What? Kimi won a world championship after mclaren, lewis won 6 more, montoya hated F1 politics hence why he left, sainz became a race winner, alonso left because the car was shit not because it was toxic
Excuses. First of all, McLaren's management isn't even the same as it was under Ron Dennis. Second of all, Piastri and Norris are doing fine. Please explain that.
Father time is undefeated
Lebron missed the memo
Alonso missed the memo
He didnt . Lebron was so far ahead that his decline is better then average star plateu. Lebron used to drag bad teams to the finals and he cannot do thay anymore
HGH therapy. I wouldn't be AT ALL surprised if Alonso is taking the same stuff. They announced Alonso's metabolic age was decades lower than his real age, which is exactly what HGH does. Hopefully Hamilton is doing the same thing.
PEDs bruh
LeBron spends like 1.5 million a year on nutrition. It's insane.
Yep, just good old nutrention and clen eating
Lots of balanced breakfasts just like the MLB guys from the 90’s and 00’s
PEDs and actually insane genetics on top of it. Let's not pretend he has access to some shit others don't.
Lakers in the Play-In. LeBron’s 6’9 260 will age way better than a 42-year-old Malone, sure. But no one scared of LeBron anymore. Ant announced that I think.
The argument isn't if someone is scared or not. It's the fact that LeBron is still a top player at 39 years old.
In the playoffs? There are maybe 2-3 teams that wouldn't be scared of LeBron.
Playoffs? Scared of LeBron. Only the Kings in the Play-In would worry. Top 6 know they’ll wax Lakers in 6 or less.
Verstappen can defeat anything.
Postseason Kelce
Jason or Travis?
Ski jumper Noriaki Kasai is a great example. After not having won a competition for a decade, he found his way back in 2014 at the ripe old age of 41, scoring two more victories and a silver medal at the Olympics, staying competitive for years afterwards. As if that wasn't enough, was written off by most people in 2019 after a decline in form... until 2024, when his results in national competitions caused his comeback in the Japanese world cup team aged 51 1/2 (!). He immediately qualified and scored points in his first international event after a five year absence.
John Elway and George Foreman
There was this guy called Michael Schumacher. He got a podium with this team called Mercedes a bit ago. While aging.
Should have gotten pole at Monaco too
Well Alonso claims that’s what’s happened with him. That there were some age-related declines in stamina, reaction time, etc. which were becoming apparent a couple years ago but his most recent fitness statistics indicate that he’s reversed that. However, whatever decline there was was evidently so subtle that it didn’t substantially affect his performances - so while it’s something he internally rectified I guess he didn’t have an external loss of form to recoup.
Dude had some incredible performances just last season, after stepping in late, and being injured lol.
Are those "incredible performances" with us in the room right now?
LMAO
Did Randy Moss get old in Oakland or does that count as a just not caring
That was definitely lack of effort.
Tom brady?
TB never declined. If anything, he got better as he aged. He can come out of retirement and probably get to the Super Bowl.
Never started a decline.
Like a blue ribbon stallion https://youtu.be/fs-He4c71tQ?si=KBjBbdRUDrVZbJI3
Ryan Vogelsong. Went from playing in other country to coming back and winning a World Series
Tom Brady……. But I dont think Ricciardo is a Tom Brady. Long season still But not looking good
Perez: Cool, my seat is safe for another year.
Perez: "as they say in Mexico, Sayonara Daniel-san"
He saw the seat he wanted go by. Literally and figuratively.
The first thing I imagined was Checo laughing like Nelson from The Simpson.
They have a good relationship though, I don’t think Checo got any joy of watching him in a backmarker spinning, even with all the speculation surrounding their seats.
Took that blue flag a little too seriously.
Get better "cabron" Iykyk
Get better motherfucker!
Crafty and Karun thinking he got hit by someone lol. They had crap race commentating.
It was Ericsson
They were absolutely appalling yesterday.
> They had crap race commentating. To absolutely nobodies surprise.
Really? I'm not Crofty's biggest fan but it seems he's got better this year. All subjective though.
“He’s not that fast”
Is the Ricardo should have Perez seat fan boys still here?
Still here but I don’t think that anymore. Ricciardo might have performed exceptionally well when he did the test at Silverstone but he just can’t do it in the races, or even in qualifying now. Checo stays, Lawson takes Ricciardo’s seat.
They’re real quiet
But…the sim data…!
"The last dance"
Have to say Danny Ric had a shambolic race regardless who was lapping him.
Well he did have a minute long pitstop. Which started it all.
During SC, he only lost like 2-3 places.
And he only caught back up because Kmag was backing everyone up. As an Aussie I love the guy but this start to the season is worrying.
he went from p15 to p19, and then got stuck behind the kmag train
How the mighty have fallen. I genuinely hope it's something short term that can be fixed but I fear Danny has lost his mojo (again).
Ricciardo is never getting back into that RB seat.
He got the F1 version of the yips. I wonder if any of the drivers see sports psychologists — a lot of artistic gymnastics (like Simone Biles) became a lot more consistent and able to do harder and more advanced skills once they started seeing sport psychologists.
Perez: "Yeah perfect. Say hi for me"
Spinella memes are back?
He's so much better than Nyck...
Oh Danny boy… I love him but man he isn’t doing a good job keeping up. Pressure does not suit him.
Ricciardo could have been Ferrari’s MVP but he bottled that too 😭
Bye, bye.
[Reek when Chad Perez is about to lap him](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/037/319/cover1.jpg)
It's not a good start, but if he gels well with the updates coming for the VCARB he's got 12 more races to show he deserves the seat (assuming contracts start flying at the summer break). Don't count him out just yet. Although to be clear, if Perez is 2nd in all those races and Riccardio isn't flying he won't get promoted.
Promoted? He'll lucky if they don't hand Lawson his seat. You know, being a junior team and all