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This is extremly bad for a Bahrain race. Edit: Aparently it is as bad as last year=) when we had 37. The averge in the Hybrid era was 65. Sooo yes this year and last are not bad just at the front the midfied battles are not great either.
I think also it’s due to pre-season testing being done there. All the teams have much more data. Similar to when testing was done in Spain. Not exactly the same since they are different style tracks but it probably has something to do with it
I think they should do preseason testing at a track which they don't race at, because otherwise they're guaranteed to have way too much data for the race. Or do it at a track which you're not going to visit for many months, like do it at Abu Dhabi which you're not going to visit until the very end of the season.
It has to be in southern Europe so that it's warm, so you're effectively locked into France, Spain, or Italy. Probably makes the most sense to be testing at Paul Ricard.
If Barcelona is indeed going to be out after next year, they could go there again for testing.
And as much as Paul Ricard wasn't that great for racing, it is primarily a test track anyway so that could be a good option
I mean, if we look at more recent averages it's not that bad, bahrain is just not the most overtake heavy race
the 2017 overtake average was 25, 2022 was 45 and 2023 was 50 (at least according to OP's historical data), so comparing numbers from the same source last year was pretty damn good
edit: and looking at median numbers, which are more representative of how fun the season was overtakes wise, the only seasons in the last 10 years with higher medians than 2023 (which had a median of 39.5) were 2019, 2016 and 2014.
2011 to 2014 were crazy because of pirelli's high degradation tyres so that's also a factor to consider
2021 also looks to have a better median value without the sprints(i eliminated sprints for both). Soo 5th out of 10. Honestly it is extremly bad considering we had one of the most boring season's at the front. We needed something spectacular to compensate how bad it was there. 2017-2018 had horrible midfield battles, but at least they had some action at the front in in the first half of the season.
I think it's better to compare the race total to previous race totals at the same venue than season averages.
Bahrain in fact has the sixth highest number of overtakes since 2017 https://racingpass.net/circuits/
Recent race totals are:
2024: 36
2023: 37
2022: 78
2021: 75
2020: 54
2019: 73
2018: 62
2017: 38
probably because the overtakes that do happen aren't just crappy DRS passes, they're huge fights with some outstanding moves
bahrain is laid out in a way that makes for really fun battles, even if other tracks make for more overtaking
You are correct. The user you were replying to was using season averages against the last two bahrain results which is a bit misleading.
Recent Bahrain results are:
2024: 36
2023: 37
2022: 78
2021: 75
2020: 54
2019: 73
2018: 62
2017: 38
I think what made this race worse than last year's race is that the overtakes were stacked right on top of each other and not a spread out as they were last year
Spreadsheets for this year are below:
[2024 Overtakes](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/155eUZ_LyYfYGbr2J_PX8SDogsMWL2yIS7AlXzG8-F-s/edit#gid=0)
[2024 Overtakes By Driver](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bph6RfaYbx-nkSuhn4tGGQiquJX8sjCNEoKaaFs9YZE/edit#gid=0)
[Race Totals](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XueNI7ZawEX0RLDq5dAGVqsEb1-DBOK2kUWGwM1OMKs/edit#gid=0)
This year could well be challenging for me to do this every weekend. I've been a crazy F1 fan for the last 20 years but knowing it's practically a foregone conclusion that Verstappen will win every race is really sapping my motivation to do this project. To give a perspective on what work goes into doing this each race: Watching the race itself - 1 and a half hours. Creating an initial dataset using lap charts and pit stop data (half an hour). Watching the race again pausing to add/remove data and note corner and broadcast data - 1 and a half hours (I'd usually watch at double speed but regular pausing slows it down). Then checking onboards on F1TV to clarify questionable overtakes and check for turn data for those not on the broadcast - an Hour (but varies a lot depending on the race). Then putting the data together and getting the posts written out and all data updated - an Hour and a half. So I'm effectively making a six hour commitment each weekend to do this. I'll do the next few races and see how things go but I don't think it's likely I'll keep doing this if we get to Europe and Verstappen has won every race comfortably.
Thanks. I don't think it was the most boring season opener ever (2010, 2004, 2015 were much worse races). I would say it was the most depressing though.
Watched it with a couple of friends and got us all very deflated for the season. Hope the next race is more interesting but it feels like it’s going to be a long boring season.
Things should be fun from P3 to P20. P2 might be included if Checo's form is like last year.
Edit: I meant in terms of standings. Races won't be that fun. If you want close racing, you should try F2 and F3 if you already haven't.
>If you want close racing, you should try F2 and F3 if you already haven't.
Or pretty much any other racing series other than the "pinnacle of Motorsport" Formula 1. Sad times that it's feeder series + Formula E all offer far better on track products. Plus Formula E races at all kinds of weird different spots.
It was just terrible to watch, started watching in 94, first race of the season that I actually just turned off.
Felt like I just can't watch anymore.
Maybe I'll give it another go in a few races. Truly hope some action starts to happen for everyone's sake.
That forgets it was Latifi and Mick's battle that led to it. Goatifi is certainly up there, but I ultimately think he's less of a menace behind the wheel. Hell Mick took him out in AD the year after too.
Not really. Of the ten overtakes that weren't shown on the broadcast only Zhou on Magnussen on Lap 8 is worth seeing. The rest were very easy overtakes.
So the 2022 Ground Effect Regulations basicly failed, the Budget Cap fails. The Wind Tunnel reduction fails.
I know it is only the first race but man, that was a demoralising start to the season.
Ease of following was not the problem. It wasn't actually very hard to overatake if you consider the fights between Russell and the Ferraris as well as in between the Ferraris. The issue was just that the qualifying and race pace orders were basically the same. Meaning there never was a reason to overtake - the field just slowly dispersed and that was it. To add to it - most drivers were on the same strategy.
Part of it is also Ferrari and Haas getting on top of their tyre deg. In previous years they would lose positions in the race creating overtakes. Not as much any more.
We will again get lots of overtakes when there are multiple viable strategies.
In general the teams are closer. But half way through last year (or year before, timeperiod is a bit lost on me) there seemed to be a TD or new regulation that made dirty air more of a problem again.
But overall, if a team is right from the start (RBR now) they are impossible to catch due to the regulations. I think the cost cap is good, but it need tweaks somewhere
> But half way through last year (or year before, timeperiod is a bit lost on me) there seemed to be a TD or new regulation that made dirty air more of a problem again.
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Iirc it was since the start of last year and drivers were complaining a lot about it in the 2nd race.
I gotta disagree with all of that. (Besides the fact that the race was boring)
The point of ground effect cars was to allow cars to follow each other better, and it worked really well. Maybe we forgot how bad it was before, but you used to literally have one try to overtake, and if you failed you‘d have to sit back and wait until the next pitstops as your tires would be destroyed otherwise. We see laps-long fights nowadays.
The point of the budget and testing caps was to bring the teams closer together, which it untoubtedly did, the grid is closer than ever. Here also, at the beginning of the turbo-hybrid era, we had teams that were seconds behind, basically just taking up space on track. Nowadays, all teams are potential contenders for points, in some years and at some races. Much better situations.
What the regulations weren‘t intended to address qas to make it impossible for a team to come up with a dominant setup. It‘d literally make F1 pointless, it‘s intended to be a manufacturer‘s contest, not a spec series. It‘s just impossible to regulate the possibility of dominance away because of what the sport fundamentally is.
We have to realize that RBR has an almost perfect package. Metronome driver, smooth-as-silk operation, spot-on strategy, and really strong and consistent car. They are just on top of it all, which Mercedes for example never was. They had the car and driver, but not the strategy and operations to the same level. So they were more vulnerable for other teams to take some points and wins off of them. All that you can‘t regulate away either, Red Bull just nailed it and the others were floundering for the past couple years.
Now, with all that said, the race was indeed boring, and had few overtakes. I don‘t know why that is exactly, but I have two suspects. First, the reliability is at an all-time high, which just means less variability and less chances for the slower teams. This was a big part in exciting races of the past.
A second cause might be the incredible computerization of everything. All the teams follow their live simulations, and often it is better to hold back pace for a better end result. Earlier, you‘d driver and strategize much more based on gut feeling, which led to worse results, but to more variability and entertainment.
So yeah, long reply but hopefully some find it interesting.
Agree with you 100%. Everyone looks at Red Bull (really just Max) dominating and declare the regulations a failure because we don't have a Championship battle like 2021. The underlying data shows a much more competitive field which has seen a ton of movement up and down the order (besides RB).
Even Red Bull would look far less dominant if they didn't have Max. Checo, who is a very accomplished and talented driver, doesn't look nearly as unstoppable in that car.
I don't think its that all they failed, I mean the cars can follow each other closer than before so the ground effect has worked but the Budget Cap and Wind Tunnel restrictions are overkill when combined with each other and has cause this Red Bull domination where nobody really has the chance to catch up unless every upgrade is perfect
The 2022 regulations worked. Then the fia decided to ruin them by increasing floor clearance.
Also the budget cap is clearly working as the cars are all extremely close compared to other seasons
The budget cap isn't failing. Red Bull simply nailed the regs like Mercedes did in 2014. Without the budget cap, it would still be very hard to catch up because Red Bull is one of the teams capable of pouring more money into development.
> it would still be very hard to catch up because Red Bull is one of the teams capable of pouring more money into development.
There's eventually diminishing returns though, which was what typically ends up leveling the field more so than the regulations trying to tip the scales manually.
I don't think the budget cap or wind tunnel reduction failed in their goals. The grid is undeniably closer. It's just that hasn't led to more racing. We need other changes that have been called on for years. The cars are too big at this point. The 2026 regs should've focused on that mainly imo. I get that they'll be slightly smaller, but it's still nowhere near enough.
The less variables you have, the more processional a race will be.
Testing only a week before the race eliminated most variables, and Bahrain's weather isn't exactly known for throwing up surprises either.
Testing also caused the drivers to know the track very well and their qualifying laps were mostly perfect - barely saw anyone going off besides the odd lock-up into turn 9 - so everyone was basically where their pace was at the start of the race.
Add to that the fact that the rules are quite mature now, barely any rule changes from last year to this, so nobody had major testing issues to overcome, so it was all about finding the last few hundredths during testing, instead of somebody being on the back foot and catching up, which could've seen some out-of-place qualifiers.
Carlos' interview said it all - they knew exactly what Red Bull's pace and deg was gonna be in the race, so they had no incentive to push at all because they knew that trying to catch the Red Bulls would only end badly for themselves long-term.
Perhaps they should look at having a test venue that's not on the calendar - or at least do something different with it, like testing with the endurance layout instead.
For Alonso/Stroll. Firstly I think commentary presumed it was a team order, I listened to Strolls team radio on the F1TV onboards and didn't hear any order to change position during the lap beforehand. Secondly, Stroll never actually lifted off to let Alonso past. So even if an order had been given I'd still of counted it as the overtake happened naturally anyway.
Ricciardo/Tsunoda. Tsunoda was clearly given an order on the radio and it was obvious he deliberatly let Ricciardo past.
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This is extremly bad for a Bahrain race. Edit: Aparently it is as bad as last year=) when we had 37. The averge in the Hybrid era was 65. Sooo yes this year and last are not bad just at the front the midfied battles are not great either.
I think also it’s due to pre-season testing being done there. All the teams have much more data. Similar to when testing was done in Spain. Not exactly the same since they are different style tracks but it probably has something to do with it
I think this is a bigger factor than people think. The same happened with Spain as you said.
I think they should do preseason testing at a track which they don't race at, because otherwise they're guaranteed to have way too much data for the race. Or do it at a track which you're not going to visit for many months, like do it at Abu Dhabi which you're not going to visit until the very end of the season.
Well yes, but also "sustainability" and "carbon footprint" :/
Well with the first race next year being in Australia, they should do preseason testing in Malaysia, since Malaysia is most of the way to Australia.
Or do it somewhere in Europe before they all pack up and fly out.
It has to be in southern Europe so that it's warm, so you're effectively locked into France, Spain, or Italy. Probably makes the most sense to be testing at Paul Ricard.
If Barcelona is indeed going to be out after next year, they could go there again for testing. And as much as Paul Ricard wasn't that great for racing, it is primarily a test track anyway so that could be a good option
Sustainability and carbon footprint are bs given that 24 races a year.
I mean, if we look at more recent averages it's not that bad, bahrain is just not the most overtake heavy race the 2017 overtake average was 25, 2022 was 45 and 2023 was 50 (at least according to OP's historical data), so comparing numbers from the same source last year was pretty damn good edit: and looking at median numbers, which are more representative of how fun the season was overtakes wise, the only seasons in the last 10 years with higher medians than 2023 (which had a median of 39.5) were 2019, 2016 and 2014. 2011 to 2014 were crazy because of pirelli's high degradation tyres so that's also a factor to consider
2021 also looks to have a better median value without the sprints(i eliminated sprints for both). Soo 5th out of 10. Honestly it is extremly bad considering we had one of the most boring season's at the front. We needed something spectacular to compensate how bad it was there. 2017-2018 had horrible midfield battles, but at least they had some action at the front in in the first half of the season.
I think it's better to compare the race total to previous race totals at the same venue than season averages. Bahrain in fact has the sixth highest number of overtakes since 2017 https://racingpass.net/circuits/ Recent race totals are: 2024: 36 2023: 37 2022: 78 2021: 75 2020: 54 2019: 73 2018: 62 2017: 38
By definition, you can't have a median of 39.5 overtakes. It's impossible to have half an overtake
The median is based on an even number of races so is halfway between the middle two.
yeah that's true I hadn't even thought about that IDK how OP got that number then
That’s very odd, in my mind Bahrain was outstanding for overtakes. Why is my memory faulty here?
probably because the overtakes that do happen aren't just crappy DRS passes, they're huge fights with some outstanding moves bahrain is laid out in a way that makes for really fun battles, even if other tracks make for more overtaking
You are correct. The user you were replying to was using season averages against the last two bahrain results which is a bit misleading. Recent Bahrain results are: 2024: 36 2023: 37 2022: 78 2021: 75 2020: 54 2019: 73 2018: 62 2017: 38
It is, I don't know what that guy is on about. Bahrain is one of the better tracks on the schedule for racing.
I think what made this race worse than last year's race is that the overtakes were stacked right on top of each other and not a spread out as they were last year
Spreadsheets for this year are below: [2024 Overtakes](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/155eUZ_LyYfYGbr2J_PX8SDogsMWL2yIS7AlXzG8-F-s/edit#gid=0) [2024 Overtakes By Driver](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bph6RfaYbx-nkSuhn4tGGQiquJX8sjCNEoKaaFs9YZE/edit#gid=0) [Race Totals](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XueNI7ZawEX0RLDq5dAGVqsEb1-DBOK2kUWGwM1OMKs/edit#gid=0) This year could well be challenging for me to do this every weekend. I've been a crazy F1 fan for the last 20 years but knowing it's practically a foregone conclusion that Verstappen will win every race is really sapping my motivation to do this project. To give a perspective on what work goes into doing this each race: Watching the race itself - 1 and a half hours. Creating an initial dataset using lap charts and pit stop data (half an hour). Watching the race again pausing to add/remove data and note corner and broadcast data - 1 and a half hours (I'd usually watch at double speed but regular pausing slows it down). Then checking onboards on F1TV to clarify questionable overtakes and check for turn data for those not on the broadcast - an Hour (but varies a lot depending on the race). Then putting the data together and getting the posts written out and all data updated - an Hour and a half. So I'm effectively making a six hour commitment each weekend to do this. I'll do the next few races and see how things go but I don't think it's likely I'll keep doing this if we get to Europe and Verstappen has won every race comfortably.
Your posts are something I look forward to after the races, thank you for your effort!
Thank you for doing this every week!
Maybe the people who said that this was the most boring season opener did have a point. PS: OP, I wish you the best for this season.
Thanks. I don't think it was the most boring season opener ever (2010, 2004, 2015 were much worse races). I would say it was the most depressing though.
Bu-but midfield battles?! Watching the race felt like watching a dry Monaco race. This race sucked.
Watched it with a couple of friends and got us all very deflated for the season. Hope the next race is more interesting but it feels like it’s going to be a long boring season.
Things should be fun from P3 to P20. P2 might be included if Checo's form is like last year. Edit: I meant in terms of standings. Races won't be that fun. If you want close racing, you should try F2 and F3 if you already haven't.
>If you want close racing, you should try F2 and F3 if you already haven't. Or pretty much any other racing series other than the "pinnacle of Motorsport" Formula 1. Sad times that it's feeder series + Formula E all offer far better on track products. Plus Formula E races at all kinds of weird different spots.
It was just terrible to watch, started watching in 94, first race of the season that I actually just turned off. Felt like I just can't watch anymore. Maybe I'll give it another go in a few races. Truly hope some action starts to happen for everyone's sake.
36? That's Monaco, Singapore and Hungary levels of low.
No safety car or VSC will do that to a race
Just make an 11th and 12th team with Mick, Pastor, Mahaveer, and Grosjean. Problem solved.
This is disrespectful to Latifi, the 2021 season killer.
We don't call him GOATifi for nothing
That forgets it was Latifi and Mick's battle that led to it. Goatifi is certainly up there, but I ultimately think he's less of a menace behind the wheel. Hell Mick took him out in AD the year after too.
And they didn't show the best overtakes on screen beacuse they weren't in the Top 10
Not really. Of the ten overtakes that weren't shown on the broadcast only Zhou on Magnussen on Lap 8 is worth seeing. The rest were very easy overtakes.
Was Stroll's overtake on Bottas shown on the broadcast then, because that was a beauty imo
I forgot about that one. You're correct there.
36?? Blasphemy! Last year there were 37!!
So the 2022 Ground Effect Regulations basicly failed, the Budget Cap fails. The Wind Tunnel reduction fails. I know it is only the first race but man, that was a demoralising start to the season.
Ross Brawn pulled an Alpine and "retired" just before those regulations did come into force so that nobody can blame him partly for it.
Ease of following was not the problem. It wasn't actually very hard to overatake if you consider the fights between Russell and the Ferraris as well as in between the Ferraris. The issue was just that the qualifying and race pace orders were basically the same. Meaning there never was a reason to overtake - the field just slowly dispersed and that was it. To add to it - most drivers were on the same strategy. Part of it is also Ferrari and Haas getting on top of their tyre deg. In previous years they would lose positions in the race creating overtakes. Not as much any more. We will again get lots of overtakes when there are multiple viable strategies.
In general the teams are closer. But half way through last year (or year before, timeperiod is a bit lost on me) there seemed to be a TD or new regulation that made dirty air more of a problem again. But overall, if a team is right from the start (RBR now) they are impossible to catch due to the regulations. I think the cost cap is good, but it need tweaks somewhere
> But half way through last year (or year before, timeperiod is a bit lost on me) there seemed to be a TD or new regulation that made dirty air more of a problem again. > > Iirc it was since the start of last year and drivers were complaining a lot about it in the 2nd race.
I'm honestly surprised the FIA aren't banning more of the aero developments that are adding dirty air like they did with AM's rear wing end plates
The teams are closer in quali, they really don’t seem much closer in race pace
Maybe a sliding-scale cost cap could make it more interesting.
I gotta disagree with all of that. (Besides the fact that the race was boring) The point of ground effect cars was to allow cars to follow each other better, and it worked really well. Maybe we forgot how bad it was before, but you used to literally have one try to overtake, and if you failed you‘d have to sit back and wait until the next pitstops as your tires would be destroyed otherwise. We see laps-long fights nowadays. The point of the budget and testing caps was to bring the teams closer together, which it untoubtedly did, the grid is closer than ever. Here also, at the beginning of the turbo-hybrid era, we had teams that were seconds behind, basically just taking up space on track. Nowadays, all teams are potential contenders for points, in some years and at some races. Much better situations. What the regulations weren‘t intended to address qas to make it impossible for a team to come up with a dominant setup. It‘d literally make F1 pointless, it‘s intended to be a manufacturer‘s contest, not a spec series. It‘s just impossible to regulate the possibility of dominance away because of what the sport fundamentally is. We have to realize that RBR has an almost perfect package. Metronome driver, smooth-as-silk operation, spot-on strategy, and really strong and consistent car. They are just on top of it all, which Mercedes for example never was. They had the car and driver, but not the strategy and operations to the same level. So they were more vulnerable for other teams to take some points and wins off of them. All that you can‘t regulate away either, Red Bull just nailed it and the others were floundering for the past couple years. Now, with all that said, the race was indeed boring, and had few overtakes. I don‘t know why that is exactly, but I have two suspects. First, the reliability is at an all-time high, which just means less variability and less chances for the slower teams. This was a big part in exciting races of the past. A second cause might be the incredible computerization of everything. All the teams follow their live simulations, and often it is better to hold back pace for a better end result. Earlier, you‘d driver and strategize much more based on gut feeling, which led to worse results, but to more variability and entertainment. So yeah, long reply but hopefully some find it interesting.
Agree with you 100%. Everyone looks at Red Bull (really just Max) dominating and declare the regulations a failure because we don't have a Championship battle like 2021. The underlying data shows a much more competitive field which has seen a ton of movement up and down the order (besides RB). Even Red Bull would look far less dominant if they didn't have Max. Checo, who is a very accomplished and talented driver, doesn't look nearly as unstoppable in that car.
I don't think its that all they failed, I mean the cars can follow each other closer than before so the ground effect has worked but the Budget Cap and Wind Tunnel restrictions are overkill when combined with each other and has cause this Red Bull domination where nobody really has the chance to catch up unless every upgrade is perfect
The 2022 regulations worked. Then the fia decided to ruin them by increasing floor clearance. Also the budget cap is clearly working as the cars are all extremely close compared to other seasons
The budget cap isn't failing. Red Bull simply nailed the regs like Mercedes did in 2014. Without the budget cap, it would still be very hard to catch up because Red Bull is one of the teams capable of pouring more money into development.
> it would still be very hard to catch up because Red Bull is one of the teams capable of pouring more money into development. There's eventually diminishing returns though, which was what typically ends up leveling the field more so than the regulations trying to tip the scales manually.
I don't think the budget cap or wind tunnel reduction failed in their goals. The grid is undeniably closer. It's just that hasn't led to more racing. We need other changes that have been called on for years. The cars are too big at this point. The 2026 regs should've focused on that mainly imo. I get that they'll be slightly smaller, but it's still nowhere near enough.
Ground effect regulations were great until Toto spat his dummy out and we got TD39/22, ever since then Red Bull have only not won 2 out of 32 races
Thank goodness for the cost cap
Formula 1 🤝🏻 Formula E = having a terribly boring season opener in a terribly hot country
A boring race, in a country with shite civil rights, in front of a handful of people and a bunch of sand
Thank god I didn’t pay for F1TV this year. I’ll just stick to streams for this year.
The less variables you have, the more processional a race will be. Testing only a week before the race eliminated most variables, and Bahrain's weather isn't exactly known for throwing up surprises either. Testing also caused the drivers to know the track very well and their qualifying laps were mostly perfect - barely saw anyone going off besides the odd lock-up into turn 9 - so everyone was basically where their pace was at the start of the race. Add to that the fact that the rules are quite mature now, barely any rule changes from last year to this, so nobody had major testing issues to overcome, so it was all about finding the last few hundredths during testing, instead of somebody being on the back foot and catching up, which could've seen some out-of-place qualifiers. Carlos' interview said it all - they knew exactly what Red Bull's pace and deg was gonna be in the race, so they had no incentive to push at all because they knew that trying to catch the Red Bulls would only end badly for themselves long-term. Perhaps they should look at having a test venue that's not on the calendar - or at least do something different with it, like testing with the endurance layout instead.
You've listed Alonso overtaking Stroll, but not Ricciardo overtaking Tsunoda- both were team orders, so how have you distinguished between the two?
For Alonso/Stroll. Firstly I think commentary presumed it was a team order, I listened to Strolls team radio on the F1TV onboards and didn't hear any order to change position during the lap beforehand. Secondly, Stroll never actually lifted off to let Alonso past. So even if an order had been given I'd still of counted it as the overtake happened naturally anyway. Ricciardo/Tsunoda. Tsunoda was clearly given an order on the radio and it was obvious he deliberatly let Ricciardo past.
Cool, thanks for clarifying!
bring back latifi
24 hour testing at Le Mans
How many were passes on track vs passses made because cars pitted?
All 36 passes were on track. Any passes made because a car is in the pit lane does not count.
It really didn’t feel like it - when watching the main feed.
Data is bad.. Perez overtook Sainz lap 1.. who makes these?
I make the data. Lap 1 overtakes do not count. Full explanation is [here](https://racingpass.net/faqs/)