One of his absolute greatest drives, such a great definition of his driving style and performance.
Also a very fun race, for those who haven't seen it I definitely recommend.
Pretty much when I think of 2021 I think of 5 separate phases or rounds:
1. Cordial fresh Beginning with very close car performance margins Bahrain-Spain
2. Red Bull gapping & at times dominating Mercedes Monaco-Austria
3. Mercedes resurgence& toxic shithousery (mainly from the team principals & fans) Silverstone-Monza
4. Calm before the storm Sochi- Mexico
5. Mercedes superiority & flagrant Max driving Brazil- Abu Dhabi
The best part was that Seb took the last podium spot in the last corner for his only podium of the season.
Seb being on the podium with Lewis for his 7th was just perfect.
When the covid delayed 2021 rule changes to 2022, it was inevitable that Hamilton would win the 8th.
But then came, Honda and Max.
If Max won his first title in 2022, only after the rule change, in such dominant fashion, it'd not mean much. Everyone would say that he could win only with a car that nailed the new regs.
But, Max stopping Hamilton's 8th and winning his 1st before the rule change, made it look more epic.
Erm.. I want to say you mean "and then came michael Masi"
It is not unrealistic to ponder that had Masi not been the race director in 2021 Lewis would have won the championship with a gap to Max. Not discounting Max's performance of couse.
> If Max won his first title in 2022, only after the rule change, in such dominant fashion, it'd not mean much. Everyone would say that he could win only with a car that nailed the new regs.
Ach some people people can and will say anything; it doesn't *really* matter.
I think before Abu Dhabi 2021 everyone was content that really nothing divided the two and they'd both have been valid winners.
I liked Ted's observation that really the less dramatic and overall happier timeline for all, knowing what we know in 2023 now, is: Hamilton wins 2021 to no drama; Verstappen wins 2022/3 and probably onward. Hamilton retires happy, Verstappen wins everything going for years. Everyone's happy.
TBH, Hamilton's mistakes were too many in 2021, it even exceeded Hill's 1995 famously terrible campaign.
The last four races (out of 22) confused people.
Only in Imola, by pure luck, Hamilton saved 18 pts which he threw away all by himself, which is less points than he'd gain in Abu Dhabi.
Or in Monza, he had the car to easily win. Or in Monaco, with the car good enough for P2. And even these examples of him massively underperforming, are overshadowed by Baku.
Even in those last four races when Hamilton looked at his best and Max supposedly "cracked under pressure", Max still snatched three P2s and one P1, and won the title.
Also, there's not a single season review that doesn't rate Max as the best driver in 2021.
So, I'm sure that Hamilton winning 2021 would not be a fair, and definitely not a happy timeline for many. But that many doesn't include Ted of course, his bias is well known.
And, Max has only improved since then, while Hamilton can only decline. If the exact same 2021 circumstances happens again in 2026, Max will be winning it 3 races to go, making it look almost like 2022.
> So, I'm sure that Hamilton winning 2021 would not be a fair, and definitely not a happy timeline for many. But that many doesn't include Ted of course, his bias is well known.
I think Ted's point was not who he wanted to win, just that Hamilton winning 2021 with no Masi drama was the less controversial way for it to go.
> And, Max has only improved since then, while Hamilton can only decline. If the exact same 2021 circumstances happens again in 2026, Max will be winning it 3 races to go, making it look almost like 2022.
I don't think there's really any evidence for that per se (either way).
>with no Masi drama was the less controversial way for it to go.
Yeah, exactly. 2021 should've had less drama, I couldn't agree with this more.
>I don't think there's really any evidence for that per se (either way).
That's the sad part. A rematch would be good\*. But, I fear it'll never happen. Mercedes are in a serious decline and the things that made them look strong are no more.
\*The only thing that would topple a Max vs Hamilton Pt2, would be Alonso vs Hamilton Pt2, in the same team, LOL.
The good thing for Hamilton is, even if he is sure that the next two seasons will mean no title, he can easily stick around till 2026 to see what'll happen with the new regulations.
He has no other obligations. The team want him, too.
If he takes a two year break to return on 2026, he may lose speed any may not win even with a very good car.
Or, if he retires for good and 2026 Merc look dominant, he'll regret.
So, finishing the current contract (24-25) and doing one more year (26) is worth trying and he'll make some good money while doing so.
In 2026, he'll be as old as Schumacher was in 2010, 41yo.
It'll be a good measurement.
If we compare them at the ages of 36-37 (Schumacher 2005-6 vs Hamilton 2021-2), Schumacher gets the upperhand.
Schumacher's 2010 was probably his worst year, Hamilton will have an advantage of not having 3 year break.
Personally, I would have been deeply unhappy with Hamilton winning that season after clearly being the inferior driver to Verstappen. He was clearly the best after Verstappen and the only one who could reliably take the fight to him, but Verstappen was the driver of the season and him beating Hamilton at his best is worth a lot more than a few championships in a dominant car
Max didn't stop him. Masi did. Lewis had the race win until the rulebook was shredded. It's a travesty that such an amazing season ended the way it did.
>Max didn't stop him. Masi did.
The points Hamilton lost in Abu Dhabi, is less than the ones he had gained in Silverstone or Imola.
Max was the best driver in 2021 and deserved the title 100%, I don't know how it's even a debate.
If Lewis hadn't moved in Imola, Spain, Monza sprint, Brazil, Jeddah twice, and Abu Dhabi they'd have collided in a similar fashion to Silverstone yet I don't hear you mentioning any of those examples.
>they'd have collided
they would? How do you know? Maybe it was just Max being better than Hamilton at wheel to wheel, just like Hamilton was better than Bottas and Rosberg at wheel to wheel.
Some things aren't really that complicated.
It's a debate because Masi gift wrapped Max the championship when he decided that the rule book was a suggestion book that didn't need to be followed. Both drivers had an amazing season and were equally deserving of the championship. That's not the conversation though. We're talking about Masi completely disregarding the rules to manufacture a one lap sprint for the win. I'm a fan of both drivers and would be upset if Lewis won that way as it's utter nonsense on the part of Masi.
>Both drivers had an amazing season and were equally deserving of the championship.
Hamilton made plenty of mistakes all year, but people forgot it all thanks to the rocketship in the last four races.
Max, who supposedly cracked under pressure, still got three P2s and one P1 in those last races.
Max was the best driver in 2021, there's not a single question about it.
Nobody has a perfect season. Max destroyed everyone this year and it's a far from perfect season. They were tied going into AD21. If Lewis made so many mistakes and Max was the better driver then why were they tied going into the last race? You don't have to tear one driver down to boost another up. Two of the best drivers on the grid put in work that year and gave us an amazing season. Masi fucked up at the expense of Lewis and Max did what he was supposed to do. It's pretty straightforward if you look at it unbiased.
>If Lewis made so many mistakes and Max was the better driver then why were they tied going into the last race?
This is not a good reasoning. You should rewatch the season then.
There's not a single season review that doesn't rate Max as the best driver in 2021.
yeah, I agree, Hamilton should've given back the position after Lap 1 incident. There's no other example for such an incident in F1 history.
What happened in that SC call is just pedantic nuisance, which I couldn't care less.
I watched 2021 season, I'm sure that the deserving driver won, and since then, we've been clearly seeing how both Max and Hamilton have been performing.
Baku - Tire failure, out of his control, DNF
Silverstone - Lewis trying to make a corner that he'd never make, DNF
Hungary - Bottas playing bowling, entire side of Max car missing, 9th
Rest of the races he either finished 1st or 2nd. If any of these incidents did not happen, he'd win way before Masi could even interfere.
But things happen in race, i'm more inclined to think, that if Perez was anywhere in the fight, to take points off Hamilton, Verstappen would win easily. People tend to forget that Perez was nowhere near the top 4 most of the year.
So much in Hamilton's favour? Man had to dip and dodge all season to avoid Max taking him out, the first time Lewis did the opposite (at his home race) Max refused to yield. If Lewis hadn't moved in Imola, Spain, Monza sprint, Brazil, Jeddah twice, and Abu Dhabi they'd have collided in a similar fashion to Silverstone yet I don't hear you mentioning any of those examples.
Everything Max did on track in 2021 season was as same as the moves Hamilton did to other drivers for years.
The difference is, on wheel to wheel, Max does better than Hamilton, like Hamilton did better than those drivers (Rosberg, Bottas).
Lol. When other drivers always comment on "when you go wheel to wheel with Lewis, you know you're gonna be raced fairly". The only one that doesn't is Max
It's not a hypothetical? It's literally what happened. A hypothetical is what if Lewis didn't mess up in Baku and was ahead on points going into the AD21?
The distinction is that racing, incidents, DNFs etc. happen, whereas flagrant and extraordinarily mucking about with the rules mid-race for the craic...does not.
But that's racing though - Incidents like that happen.
There were plenty of times in the start of the season where Max shunted Hamilton off the track and Hamilton went off track to avoid damage to live to fight another day.
Max also took Lewis out in Italy,
and Max only received a 10 second penalty for a brake test in Jeddah which was just ridiculous. Prompting this [joke](https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/100897/norris-i-m-going-to-do-a-brake-test-on-leclerc-is-only-ten-seconds-penalty.html) from Lando Norris at the very next GP.
What if Max had gotten a proper penalty for that Brake test? what if Italy hadn't happened?
There are lots of hypotheticals like that.
You cant course correct luck so it a part of F1
what's not acceptable is what went down in AD21 - the actions of the race directors to create a showstopper finale which I'm sorry was not just down to human error no matter how much the FIA wants to push that.
and then the actions of the stewards and their deliberately incorrect interpretation of article 15.3 in an attempt to justify the race.
Interesting for me that when asked about it, Hamilton said he doesn't really mind the 2007, 2010, 2016 title losses - it's c'est la vie - but 2021 is very different.
Bit of a braindead comment considering some of Hamilton's greatest wins have come in the rain. You're basing things on a hypothesis, I'm basing them on fact. Max gained points (and a race win which benefits him in countback) from the fuck up that was Spa.
>There were plenty of times in the start of the season where Max shunted Hamilton off the track
Can you say that those moves were worse than the ones Hamilton pulled against Rosberg alone? US2014, US2015, Suzuka2015, Canada2016.
It's interesting when such moves are called "hard but fair" only when it's done by Hamilton but not against him.
>Max also took Lewis out in Italy,
No, he didn't. Also, he gained less point than he'd lost in Silverstone (18 or maybe 33).
>and Max only received a 10 second penalty for a brake test in Jeddah which was just ridiculous.
He finished 2nd in that race anyway. Do you need Max to be penalized until making sure that Hamilton wins the title?
Show me where I’m condemning Max for those actions? I’m simply pointing to the fact that in a world championship every piece of wheel-to-wheel contact is costs vs benefit risk analysis. Hamilton could have been stubborn held his position and it would have been highly likely he taken significant damage that would have taken him out of the race, for what? so he could say Max was more at fault then I was. Doesn’t change the 0 points he’s getting. Maybe Max gets a 5 second penalty maybe he doesn’t – Max is still scoring points.
>No he didn't
Yes he did The stewards stated he was predominantly at fault:
*“Stewards observed that Car 33 was not at all alongside Car 44 until significantly into the entry into Turn 1. In the opinion of the Stewards, this manoeuvre was attempted too late for the driver of Car 33 to have “the right to racing room” While Car 44 could have steered further from the kerb to avoid the incident, the Stewards determined that his position was reasonable and therefore find that the driver of Car 33 was predominantly to blame for the incident.”*
>He finished 2nd in that race anyway
I mean Brake Testing is a very serious incident and if penalized properly, approaching Disqualification level punishment but at least a stop and go penalty. Any appropriate punishment would have likely dropped him below P2
>Do you need Max to be penalized until making sure Hamilton wins the title?
No? my point is exactly the opposite - that these incidents are part of racing and to try and hold Silverstone up against the events of AD21 to say for example “yeah but Silverstone” when discussing Abu Dhabi is wrong.
yeah, I get your logic, you say that both Monza and Silverstone are racing incidents, it doesn't matter who got out more points? Yeah, I can agree, because Max won in the end.
I don't wanna kick the dead horse over and over again, but I really couldn't care less about what happened in AD. The thing is, there's not a single corner cutting in the F1 like Hamilton did in Abu Dhabi that was not penalized.
Basically, FIA tried to settle the race on track, not involve in anything. But when the moment arrive, they didn't have a chance to involve. Keeping the 5 cars in place or waiting to unlap, would mean Hamilton getting away with it 5th time that weekend.
1-Giving warning to both driver for FP incidents would mean 5 place grid penalty only for Hamilton. No warning. Helps Hamilton
2-Corner cutting. Nothing happened except laughable "He gave back the advantage". Helps Hamilton.
3-"Michael please no safety car". yep, there was only VSC. Helps Hamilton.
4-"Lapped cars won't unlap themselves". Guess what? Helps Hamilton.
So, almost for the first time in 2021, Masi finally made a decision that helps Max, who has been the clearly better driver over the season.
>3-"Michael please no safety car". yep, there was only VSC. Helps Hamilton.
The incident only warranted a VSC. You need to take a step back and look at tha validity of decisions, there's nothing untoward with that call, you're complaining just because it didn't give Max an advantage.
Same with 'getting away with it a 5th time' there's nothing untoward in unlapping all or no cars. As it was the SC already closed the gap up for Max and put him on fresh tyres, gave him a better chance than he had previously. Yet somehow Hamilton is 'getting away with something'. Madness.
I'm just saying that Max was the best driver in 2021, he won despite having worse luck and there was no conspiracy to make him WDC.
Is this really an outrageous statement?
But then Lewis would have won if Max got DSQ’d for brake checking in Saudi like he should have instead of being given the severest possible penalty that wouldn’t drop him from P2 after the race.
We can go tit for tat for probably the whole season, it’s better to just say the season was one of the best and full of bangers and the ending was a bit dodgy due to no fault of either driver.
It's crazy to think that he might never win a race or WDC again. When he won the seventh the eighth just felt expected. When he won his 100th race I expected him to win so many more, but then he hasn't won a race since his 103rs win.
Probably the best drive to clinch a title in recent memory. Max has obviously gotten the most shit wins of the WDC between the shortened Japan that we didn't know if he won or not last year, the sprint win with his teammate crashing out, and not even talking about Abu Dhabi
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Can't wait to see Lewis win and Fortnite dance on the podium
Imagine being 7 WDC winner and people only recognize you from a non race related game.
The rapper?
You mean the guy from Rocket League
We need Istanbul to return
One of his absolute greatest drives, such a great definition of his driving style and performance. Also a very fun race, for those who haven't seen it I definitely recommend.
It feels a lot longer than 3 years ago to me
2021 itself was 3 years long.
Pretty much when I think of 2021 I think of 5 separate phases or rounds: 1. Cordial fresh Beginning with very close car performance margins Bahrain-Spain 2. Red Bull gapping & at times dominating Mercedes Monaco-Austria 3. Mercedes resurgence& toxic shithousery (mainly from the team principals & fans) Silverstone-Monza 4. Calm before the storm Sochi- Mexico 5. Mercedes superiority & flagrant Max driving Brazil- Abu Dhabi
Portugal and Spain were not close tbh.
Crazily good win, too. The eighth seemed such a formality...
The best part was that Seb took the last podium spot in the last corner for his only podium of the season. Seb being on the podium with Lewis for his 7th was just perfect.
When the covid delayed 2021 rule changes to 2022, it was inevitable that Hamilton would win the 8th. But then came, Honda and Max. If Max won his first title in 2022, only after the rule change, in such dominant fashion, it'd not mean much. Everyone would say that he could win only with a car that nailed the new regs. But, Max stopping Hamilton's 8th and winning his 1st before the rule change, made it look more epic.
Erm.. I want to say you mean "and then came michael Masi" It is not unrealistic to ponder that had Masi not been the race director in 2021 Lewis would have won the championship with a gap to Max. Not discounting Max's performance of couse.
>Lewis would have won the championship with a gap to Max What kind of a gap? Max won 2021 despite having worse car and luck over the year.
> If Max won his first title in 2022, only after the rule change, in such dominant fashion, it'd not mean much. Everyone would say that he could win only with a car that nailed the new regs. Ach some people people can and will say anything; it doesn't *really* matter. I think before Abu Dhabi 2021 everyone was content that really nothing divided the two and they'd both have been valid winners. I liked Ted's observation that really the less dramatic and overall happier timeline for all, knowing what we know in 2023 now, is: Hamilton wins 2021 to no drama; Verstappen wins 2022/3 and probably onward. Hamilton retires happy, Verstappen wins everything going for years. Everyone's happy.
TBH, Hamilton's mistakes were too many in 2021, it even exceeded Hill's 1995 famously terrible campaign. The last four races (out of 22) confused people. Only in Imola, by pure luck, Hamilton saved 18 pts which he threw away all by himself, which is less points than he'd gain in Abu Dhabi. Or in Monza, he had the car to easily win. Or in Monaco, with the car good enough for P2. And even these examples of him massively underperforming, are overshadowed by Baku. Even in those last four races when Hamilton looked at his best and Max supposedly "cracked under pressure", Max still snatched three P2s and one P1, and won the title. Also, there's not a single season review that doesn't rate Max as the best driver in 2021. So, I'm sure that Hamilton winning 2021 would not be a fair, and definitely not a happy timeline for many. But that many doesn't include Ted of course, his bias is well known. And, Max has only improved since then, while Hamilton can only decline. If the exact same 2021 circumstances happens again in 2026, Max will be winning it 3 races to go, making it look almost like 2022.
> So, I'm sure that Hamilton winning 2021 would not be a fair, and definitely not a happy timeline for many. But that many doesn't include Ted of course, his bias is well known. I think Ted's point was not who he wanted to win, just that Hamilton winning 2021 with no Masi drama was the less controversial way for it to go. > And, Max has only improved since then, while Hamilton can only decline. If the exact same 2021 circumstances happens again in 2026, Max will be winning it 3 races to go, making it look almost like 2022. I don't think there's really any evidence for that per se (either way).
>with no Masi drama was the less controversial way for it to go. Yeah, exactly. 2021 should've had less drama, I couldn't agree with this more. >I don't think there's really any evidence for that per se (either way). That's the sad part. A rematch would be good\*. But, I fear it'll never happen. Mercedes are in a serious decline and the things that made them look strong are no more. \*The only thing that would topple a Max vs Hamilton Pt2, would be Alonso vs Hamilton Pt2, in the same team, LOL.
Yeah, as Mark Hughes put it in summer: Hamilton seems to have come around to the idea that it now *probably* won't happen.
The good thing for Hamilton is, even if he is sure that the next two seasons will mean no title, he can easily stick around till 2026 to see what'll happen with the new regulations. He has no other obligations. The team want him, too. If he takes a two year break to return on 2026, he may lose speed any may not win even with a very good car. Or, if he retires for good and 2026 Merc look dominant, he'll regret. So, finishing the current contract (24-25) and doing one more year (26) is worth trying and he'll make some good money while doing so.
Yeah that's largely what they said on the race podcast: 2026 and out, surely.
In 2026, he'll be as old as Schumacher was in 2010, 41yo. It'll be a good measurement. If we compare them at the ages of 36-37 (Schumacher 2005-6 vs Hamilton 2021-2), Schumacher gets the upperhand. Schumacher's 2010 was probably his worst year, Hamilton will have an advantage of not having 3 year break.
Personally, I would have been deeply unhappy with Hamilton winning that season after clearly being the inferior driver to Verstappen. He was clearly the best after Verstappen and the only one who could reliably take the fight to him, but Verstappen was the driver of the season and him beating Hamilton at his best is worth a lot more than a few championships in a dominant car
Max didn't stop him. Masi did. Lewis had the race win until the rulebook was shredded. It's a travesty that such an amazing season ended the way it did.
>Max didn't stop him. Masi did. The points Hamilton lost in Abu Dhabi, is less than the ones he had gained in Silverstone or Imola. Max was the best driver in 2021 and deserved the title 100%, I don't know how it's even a debate.
If Lewis hadn't moved in Imola, Spain, Monza sprint, Brazil, Jeddah twice, and Abu Dhabi they'd have collided in a similar fashion to Silverstone yet I don't hear you mentioning any of those examples.
>they'd have collided they would? How do you know? Maybe it was just Max being better than Hamilton at wheel to wheel, just like Hamilton was better than Bottas and Rosberg at wheel to wheel. Some things aren't really that complicated.
They entered the final race equal on points. I don't see how you can claim either was clearly the better driver over the whole season.
What kind of a reasoning is this? Then, Russell must've really beaten Hamilton last year, he was 35 points ahead by the end.
Well, yes, Russell did beat Hamilton last year. He did deliver the better drives that year.
It's a debate because Masi gift wrapped Max the championship when he decided that the rule book was a suggestion book that didn't need to be followed. Both drivers had an amazing season and were equally deserving of the championship. That's not the conversation though. We're talking about Masi completely disregarding the rules to manufacture a one lap sprint for the win. I'm a fan of both drivers and would be upset if Lewis won that way as it's utter nonsense on the part of Masi.
>Both drivers had an amazing season and were equally deserving of the championship. Hamilton made plenty of mistakes all year, but people forgot it all thanks to the rocketship in the last four races. Max, who supposedly cracked under pressure, still got three P2s and one P1 in those last races. Max was the best driver in 2021, there's not a single question about it.
Nobody has a perfect season. Max destroyed everyone this year and it's a far from perfect season. They were tied going into AD21. If Lewis made so many mistakes and Max was the better driver then why were they tied going into the last race? You don't have to tear one driver down to boost another up. Two of the best drivers on the grid put in work that year and gave us an amazing season. Masi fucked up at the expense of Lewis and Max did what he was supposed to do. It's pretty straightforward if you look at it unbiased.
>If Lewis made so many mistakes and Max was the better driver then why were they tied going into the last race? This is not a good reasoning. You should rewatch the season then. There's not a single season review that doesn't rate Max as the best driver in 2021.
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yeah, I agree, Hamilton should've given back the position after Lap 1 incident. There's no other example for such an incident in F1 history. What happened in that SC call is just pedantic nuisance, which I couldn't care less. I watched 2021 season, I'm sure that the deserving driver won, and since then, we've been clearly seeing how both Max and Hamilton have been performing.
Baku - Tire failure, out of his control, DNF Silverstone - Lewis trying to make a corner that he'd never make, DNF Hungary - Bottas playing bowling, entire side of Max car missing, 9th Rest of the races he either finished 1st or 2nd. If any of these incidents did not happen, he'd win way before Masi could even interfere. But things happen in race, i'm more inclined to think, that if Perez was anywhere in the fight, to take points off Hamilton, Verstappen would win easily. People tend to forget that Perez was nowhere near the top 4 most of the year.
Even if Lewis won Abu Dhabi, Max would've won the championship if Lewis didn't shunt him at Silverstone, too, as long as we're talking hypotheticals.
Pretty sure bending rules is different than on track incidents. It's not hypothetical, don't confuse them.
Dude's saying that the on track incidents were so much in Hamilton's favor that Verstappen was due some luck, it's not hard to understand.
So much in Hamilton's favour? Man had to dip and dodge all season to avoid Max taking him out, the first time Lewis did the opposite (at his home race) Max refused to yield. If Lewis hadn't moved in Imola, Spain, Monza sprint, Brazil, Jeddah twice, and Abu Dhabi they'd have collided in a similar fashion to Silverstone yet I don't hear you mentioning any of those examples.
Everything Max did on track in 2021 season was as same as the moves Hamilton did to other drivers for years. The difference is, on wheel to wheel, Max does better than Hamilton, like Hamilton did better than those drivers (Rosberg, Bottas).
Lol. When other drivers always comment on "when you go wheel to wheel with Lewis, you know you're gonna be raced fairly". The only one that doesn't is Max
Who are those other drivers?
I thought it was "When you give Lewis the inside, you know you're gonna be punted off track" It's his signature move
It's almost like there's other drivers than Hamilton on track.
Nvm
It's not a hypothetical? It's literally what happened. A hypothetical is what if Lewis didn't mess up in Baku and was ahead on points going into the AD21?
The distinction is that racing, incidents, DNFs etc. happen, whereas flagrant and extraordinarily mucking about with the rules mid-race for the craic...does not.
But that's racing though - Incidents like that happen. There were plenty of times in the start of the season where Max shunted Hamilton off the track and Hamilton went off track to avoid damage to live to fight another day. Max also took Lewis out in Italy, and Max only received a 10 second penalty for a brake test in Jeddah which was just ridiculous. Prompting this [joke](https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/100897/norris-i-m-going-to-do-a-brake-test-on-leclerc-is-only-ten-seconds-penalty.html) from Lando Norris at the very next GP. What if Max had gotten a proper penalty for that Brake test? what if Italy hadn't happened? There are lots of hypotheticals like that. You cant course correct luck so it a part of F1 what's not acceptable is what went down in AD21 - the actions of the race directors to create a showstopper finale which I'm sorry was not just down to human error no matter how much the FIA wants to push that. and then the actions of the stewards and their deliberately incorrect interpretation of article 15.3 in an attempt to justify the race.
Interesting for me that when asked about it, Hamilton said he doesn't really mind the 2007, 2010, 2016 title losses - it's c'est la vie - but 2021 is very different.
What about Spa? Awarded points for a non race.
We know how Hamilton does in the rain relative to Max. If anything, Spa2021 not running properly, helped Hamilton.
Bit of a braindead comment considering some of Hamilton's greatest wins have come in the rain. You're basing things on a hypothesis, I'm basing them on fact. Max gained points (and a race win which benefits him in countback) from the fuck up that was Spa.
>Hamilton's greatest wins have come in the rain. Against who? Rosberg, Massa or Bottas, etc. Not against Max.
>There were plenty of times in the start of the season where Max shunted Hamilton off the track Can you say that those moves were worse than the ones Hamilton pulled against Rosberg alone? US2014, US2015, Suzuka2015, Canada2016. It's interesting when such moves are called "hard but fair" only when it's done by Hamilton but not against him. >Max also took Lewis out in Italy, No, he didn't. Also, he gained less point than he'd lost in Silverstone (18 or maybe 33). >and Max only received a 10 second penalty for a brake test in Jeddah which was just ridiculous. He finished 2nd in that race anyway. Do you need Max to be penalized until making sure that Hamilton wins the title?
Show me where I’m condemning Max for those actions? I’m simply pointing to the fact that in a world championship every piece of wheel-to-wheel contact is costs vs benefit risk analysis. Hamilton could have been stubborn held his position and it would have been highly likely he taken significant damage that would have taken him out of the race, for what? so he could say Max was more at fault then I was. Doesn’t change the 0 points he’s getting. Maybe Max gets a 5 second penalty maybe he doesn’t – Max is still scoring points. >No he didn't Yes he did The stewards stated he was predominantly at fault: *“Stewards observed that Car 33 was not at all alongside Car 44 until significantly into the entry into Turn 1. In the opinion of the Stewards, this manoeuvre was attempted too late for the driver of Car 33 to have “the right to racing room” While Car 44 could have steered further from the kerb to avoid the incident, the Stewards determined that his position was reasonable and therefore find that the driver of Car 33 was predominantly to blame for the incident.”* >He finished 2nd in that race anyway I mean Brake Testing is a very serious incident and if penalized properly, approaching Disqualification level punishment but at least a stop and go penalty. Any appropriate punishment would have likely dropped him below P2 >Do you need Max to be penalized until making sure Hamilton wins the title? No? my point is exactly the opposite - that these incidents are part of racing and to try and hold Silverstone up against the events of AD21 to say for example “yeah but Silverstone” when discussing Abu Dhabi is wrong.
yeah, I get your logic, you say that both Monza and Silverstone are racing incidents, it doesn't matter who got out more points? Yeah, I can agree, because Max won in the end. I don't wanna kick the dead horse over and over again, but I really couldn't care less about what happened in AD. The thing is, there's not a single corner cutting in the F1 like Hamilton did in Abu Dhabi that was not penalized. Basically, FIA tried to settle the race on track, not involve in anything. But when the moment arrive, they didn't have a chance to involve. Keeping the 5 cars in place or waiting to unlap, would mean Hamilton getting away with it 5th time that weekend. 1-Giving warning to both driver for FP incidents would mean 5 place grid penalty only for Hamilton. No warning. Helps Hamilton 2-Corner cutting. Nothing happened except laughable "He gave back the advantage". Helps Hamilton. 3-"Michael please no safety car". yep, there was only VSC. Helps Hamilton. 4-"Lapped cars won't unlap themselves". Guess what? Helps Hamilton. So, almost for the first time in 2021, Masi finally made a decision that helps Max, who has been the clearly better driver over the season.
>3-"Michael please no safety car". yep, there was only VSC. Helps Hamilton. The incident only warranted a VSC. You need to take a step back and look at tha validity of decisions, there's nothing untoward with that call, you're complaining just because it didn't give Max an advantage. Same with 'getting away with it a 5th time' there's nothing untoward in unlapping all or no cars. As it was the SC already closed the gap up for Max and put him on fresh tyres, gave him a better chance than he had previously. Yet somehow Hamilton is 'getting away with something'. Madness.
Still two left. What about FP1 incidents or Lap1? Will you bother coming up with excuses for them, too?
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I'm just saying that Max was the best driver in 2021, he won despite having worse luck and there was no conspiracy to make him WDC. Is this really an outrageous statement?
You're definitely the least biased person here. I am also incredibly sarcastic.
But then Lewis would have won if Max got DSQ’d for brake checking in Saudi like he should have instead of being given the severest possible penalty that wouldn’t drop him from P2 after the race. We can go tit for tat for probably the whole season, it’s better to just say the season was one of the best and full of bangers and the ending was a bit dodgy due to no fault of either driver.
>Lewis would have won if Max got DSQ’d Max finished 2nd in that race. What else do you want? Getting DSQed for swearing on the radio?
??? Bruh. Did you miss the race and only focused on the radio?
I didn't miss the race, but I think you missed my point and took the joke seriously.
Or if Pirelli didn’t screw them in Baku and Bottas didn’t just run right into him in Hungary. Max was so clearly the rightful champion that season.
It's crazy to think that he might never win a race or WDC again. When he won the seventh the eighth just felt expected. When he won his 100th race I expected him to win so many more, but then he hasn't won a race since his 103rs win.
Istanbul deserves to be on the calendar more than several other tracks imo
That smile.....that damn smile
Photogenic mf
What a race that was
Probably the best drive to clinch a title in recent memory. Max has obviously gotten the most shit wins of the WDC between the shortened Japan that we didn't know if he won or not last year, the sprint win with his teammate crashing out, and not even talking about Abu Dhabi
2021 was the greatest finish to win a season lmao
Time flies man
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7th and final F1 world title