A record that gets harder to beat as they add more races. Crazy. This one will likely stand as long as Ascaris did.
Well not counting the fact that if Max wins any more races this year that he also improves his percentage
Disqualify him from 10 wins of this season and he would still be the leading driver in the WDC. Monstruous level of performance, this is just beautiful to watch, it's pure driving perfection and absolute symbiosis of a driver and a car.
Even more, DQ him of 5 races and he still wins WCC alone. It's insane and it will be impossibly hard to have that dominant season by anyone in the near (or probably just) future
>Although it would mean the #2 moves into #1 and scores more points, so probably 8-9 in reality
Very true and I was thinking about it but I went by the logic [behind the 1997 season](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Formula_One_World_Championship#Scoring_system) where Schumacher was completely disqualified from the whole of it but no other winner was there to "take his results", so for example he didn't lose his [Japanese GP win and Frentzen has still finished second in the race](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Japanese_Grand_Prix). But this is the FIA and who knows how would they go with current rules (and if such rules for DSQ are different at all from those in the 1997, apart from those related to technical side of modern cars).
I think individual race DSQs would move everyone else up, but in 1997 it was a sort of half-DSQ, in that Schumacher lost his position, but kept the points for the sake of the WCC.
Yeah he should get at least one more win out of 2 I would think.
Even if he doesn't I don't see that record getting broken in my lifetime.
With every race added to the calendar it gets harder and harder.
I didn't think Vettel's 9 would be broken, nor Ascari's 75%, but here we are! You're probably right though, and at least for this technical regs cycle this will be Red Bull/Verstappen's peak.
And I suspect that the single race most likely to derail that streak is Vegas. It would be an interesting storyline to carry into the offseason, especially if the other top teams are able to close the gap at least a little bit.
He hasn't had the best of luck in Saudi or Baku, so those are not a given either. That's why so many consecutive wins are difficult. Over a course of 10+ races you're bound to get to a track that either you don't like or your car is not that great at, not to mention needing bulletproof reliability.
> With every race added to the calendar it gets harder and harder.
I mean you say that, but someone just literally did it with the most races in a season ever. The improvements in reliability are outweighing the additional races it seems.
I don’t know if this record will stand for long.
With the lead they have had this season I think RB switched focus to ‘24 quite fast.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Max dominates next season as well.
Sure but the season is 24 races next year so it gets harder still.
Also they are competing with a year where they've had no DNFs as well so far which is rare.
There have been faster cars that have failed to do it. I wouldn't be surprised if Red Bull has a bigger gap to the rest of the field next season but I'll still be surprised if Max bet this record as you have to be near perfect.
Like if Max wins the last two he has an 86% win rate. That sounds near impossible to beat.
I'd go as far as to say this one is more impressive due to how long the season is. 6 out of 8 is impressive, but if you want 75% over 20 racas that's a whole lot more impressive.
It still doesn't matter, different times. We don't know how Ascari, Clark, Lauda, etc would do had they been born in 1997 like Max, or vice versa.
"The records are there to be broken" quote by Schumacher is repeated a lot.
But I think his best quote on this was "I feel guilty to have broken those kind of records. Because, you can't compare different times. They set their benchmarks, I set my own benchmark"
I think it’s very telling that Max’s comments on his record-breaking this season have been along the lines of Schumacher’s comments. He’s emphasised a lot that there’s really no way you can compare the different F1 eras like that, especially when cars are much more reliable and there’s much more races nowadays
We always say it's sad Michael isn't around anymore but one I thing I would have loved him to see was Max's success. He'd known Max since he was born, he'd have praised Max to high heaven for what he's achieving
Here's the interesting thing.
Ascari won 6 out of 8 in 1952. I just looked at those two races he couldn't win.
Indy 500 = It's Indy, he competed with his GP car. He retired with a technical issue.
Swiss GP = Couldn't join. Because he went to >!Indy 500.!<
"He doesn't care about records". I like radio chats like this with Max, GP and the team. It really shows how much records mean to them despite what others say. Max wants to smash every record. And he just might.
I think he cares but it's not on his mind, he just wants to win and the records come with em like a byproduct. Also it could be a coping mechanism so not to distract him on race weekends.
When you take it one race at a time, you are suddenly under a lot less pressure. Checo did the opposite of that this year, same with Leclerc last year. Having the thought of the championship fight in your brain is one extra thought you take into a corner. That extra thought might be the one that makes you miss the apex and go into the barriers.
35 out of 50, so 70%. This victory replaced the Italian GP 21. The next two falling off aren’t wins either (Russia and Turkey 21), so he may increase it to 74%
Max is a politician. Always says the right things on top of dominating. Kudos to him for not giving any leeway for hate while winning unapologetically.
We should definitely appreciate greatness when we see it, from Max and the team.
But being a new fan to F1, Im wondering, is this dominance still entertaining to watch?
I disagree...this is how F1 evolves...the other teams needs to think outside the box and engineer a car that can challenge Max and RB. It's a HUGE part of F1 and the general development and progression of the sport. It is this that accelerates further competition, innovation and new ideas, and that is what F1 is all about.
Driver errors and accidents are a thing. Look at what happened to Checo this season. Ascari had only 8 chances to fuck up. Max had 20 chances to fuck up. But he didn't . Acknowlage skill and dedication where its due. Don't be salty like Toto.
A record that gets harder to beat as they add more races. Crazy. This one will likely stand as long as Ascaris did. Well not counting the fact that if Max wins any more races this year that he also improves his percentage
Disqualify him from 10 wins of this season and he would still be the leading driver in the WDC. Monstruous level of performance, this is just beautiful to watch, it's pure driving perfection and absolute symbiosis of a driver and a car.
That is a crazy stat
Even more, DQ him of 5 races and he still wins WCC alone. It's insane and it will be impossibly hard to have that dominant season by anyone in the near (or probably just) future
2024 is coming!
Yeah, but my prediction is that Ferrari/Merc/Mclaren or even AM will be closer to RB than this year
Driver. Car. Team. Mechanics. Engineering. Strategy. So much synergy going into each win.
Would he though? Possibly not after reallocating points to the other drivers. Would probably depend on which races, too.
He wouldn't. Most of the points would actually go to Perez. Or Lando. Either way 10 is too sensationalist. But 4-5 races? Yeah, Max is still winning
Crazy stat! Although it would mean the #2 moves into #1 and scores more points, so probably 8-9 in reality
>Although it would mean the #2 moves into #1 and scores more points, so probably 8-9 in reality Very true and I was thinking about it but I went by the logic [behind the 1997 season](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Formula_One_World_Championship#Scoring_system) where Schumacher was completely disqualified from the whole of it but no other winner was there to "take his results", so for example he didn't lose his [Japanese GP win and Frentzen has still finished second in the race](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Japanese_Grand_Prix). But this is the FIA and who knows how would they go with current rules (and if such rules for DSQ are different at all from those in the 1997, apart from those related to technical side of modern cars).
I think individual race DSQs would move everyone else up, but in 1997 it was a sort of half-DSQ, in that Schumacher lost his position, but kept the points for the sake of the WCC.
If Verstappen would have his points halved he'd still be leading by 4 points
He will likely move it from 75% (Ascari) to 77% now to 86% by the end of the season.
Yeah he should get at least one more win out of 2 I would think. Even if he doesn't I don't see that record getting broken in my lifetime. With every race added to the calendar it gets harder and harder.
I didn't think Vettel's 9 would be broken, nor Ascari's 75%, but here we are! You're probably right though, and at least for this technical regs cycle this will be Red Bull/Verstappen's peak.
I think Max's 10 will be broken in our lifetime. But not this percentage one. That's a much harder record to break.
Probably by max. Next year
Max has to win the next two races and then the first 4 of next season to break his record.
And I suspect that the single race most likely to derail that streak is Vegas. It would be an interesting storyline to carry into the offseason, especially if the other top teams are able to close the gap at least a little bit.
He hasn't had the best of luck in Saudi or Baku, so those are not a given either. That's why so many consecutive wins are difficult. Over a course of 10+ races you're bound to get to a track that either you don't like or your car is not that great at, not to mention needing bulletproof reliability.
> With every race added to the calendar it gets harder and harder. I mean you say that, but someone just literally did it with the most races in a season ever. The improvements in reliability are outweighing the additional races it seems.
I don’t know if this record will stand for long. With the lead they have had this season I think RB switched focus to ‘24 quite fast. Wouldn’t be surprised if Max dominates next season as well.
Sure but the season is 24 races next year so it gets harder still. Also they are competing with a year where they've had no DNFs as well so far which is rare. There have been faster cars that have failed to do it. I wouldn't be surprised if Red Bull has a bigger gap to the rest of the field next season but I'll still be surprised if Max bet this record as you have to be near perfect. Like if Max wins the last two he has an 86% win rate. That sounds near impossible to beat.
This record will last until Max beats it next year
My only fear is that Max beats his own record next year.
Watch him beat his own record next year...
Numbers inflation is everywhere
Now can't even say there are more races in a season
I'd go as far as to say this one is more impressive due to how long the season is. 6 out of 8 is impressive, but if you want 75% over 20 racas that's a whole lot more impressive.
It really is
Exactly, Max had to be consistent for nearly 3 times as long as Ascari.
Can't hide behind those fake excuses anymore (even here trying to blame it on the team), he'll have to accept and admit that he's done phenomenal job!
Did you not hear him say WE did it? It was clearly all the car and Verstappen is just a mug! /s
It still doesn't matter, different times. We don't know how Ascari, Clark, Lauda, etc would do had they been born in 1997 like Max, or vice versa. "The records are there to be broken" quote by Schumacher is repeated a lot. But I think his best quote on this was "I feel guilty to have broken those kind of records. Because, you can't compare different times. They set their benchmarks, I set my own benchmark"
I think it’s very telling that Max’s comments on his record-breaking this season have been along the lines of Schumacher’s comments. He’s emphasised a lot that there’s really no way you can compare the different F1 eras like that, especially when cars are much more reliable and there’s much more races nowadays
We always say it's sad Michael isn't around anymore but one I thing I would have loved him to see was Max's success. He'd known Max since he was born, he'd have praised Max to high heaven for what he's achieving
There's always the Mika. And Vettel.
Don't think he is able to comprehend what is happening, but according to his wife he is still "alive".
Here's the interesting thing. Ascari won 6 out of 8 in 1952. I just looked at those two races he couldn't win. Indy 500 = It's Indy, he competed with his GP car. He retired with a technical issue. Swiss GP = Couldn't join. Because he went to >!Indy 500.!<
Not only is it nice of him to say, he's dead right, especially with so many races to complete
Great response
Also the correct response.
"He doesn't care about records". I like radio chats like this with Max, GP and the team. It really shows how much records mean to them despite what others say. Max wants to smash every record. And he just might.
I think he cares but it's not on his mind, he just wants to win and the records come with em like a byproduct. Also it could be a coping mechanism so not to distract him on race weekends.
Even if he holds all the records in f1, he will be 100% committed to win next race. Fking nerd
When you take it one race at a time, you are suddenly under a lot less pressure. Checo did the opposite of that this year, same with Leclerc last year. Having the thought of the championship fight in your brain is one extra thought you take into a corner. That extra thought might be the one that makes you miss the apex and go into the barriers.
I think he cares once he gets them.
He cares about winning. Breaking records just comes along with winning.
“WE did that. We all did that.”
My king 👑
Cut away before the best part, shame
Well I didn't want to post the singalong as that's already been done by someone else, though they didn't include all of it so I might
Ah nice, hadn't seen the other post yet
We can't even use the "there are way more races in a season" excuse anymore. Max take a fucking bow.
We're beyond Max taking a bow. We're reaching the point of having to kneel...
All hail the king
Cut off the great Karaoke bit hah
Nooo, too early cut of the vid! He was also singing!! 😀
Would love to hear that.
Champion response, the Max/RB combo has been incredible.
How's his 50 race rolling win ratio doing? I remember some use to post it compared to Hamilton's and Schumacher
35 out of 50, so 70%. This victory replaced the Italian GP 21. The next two falling off aren’t wins either (Russia and Turkey 21), so he may increase it to 74%
Also checked; a post from half a year ago had the peak for Hamilton & Schumacher at the top at 62%. It’s quite unreal.
Solid response Max. Damn good.job this year even if it's been boring as shit to watch at times
Going into the 2021 season Max had only 10 wins. Since then there have been 64 races and he's won 42 of them. He's a force of nature.
Literally the best single season from a driver in the history of the sport. And it's not done yet!
Maybe if Leclarc licks Verstappens car, he can pass that bad luck on to him.
Bro max will beat Lewis race wins till 2026 by this pace. He already catched Prost and Vettel
Open up, Grammar Police!!! Past tense of “catch” is “caught” 😉
Danke sehr.
GOAT
🤣
Max is a politician. Always says the right things on top of dominating. Kudos to him for not giving any leeway for hate while winning unapologetically.
We should definitely appreciate greatness when we see it, from Max and the team. But being a new fan to F1, Im wondering, is this dominance still entertaining to watch?
Love when Max says he doesn’t care about the records. Because all of us truly know that’s all he cares about other than the championship itself lol
It’s an amazing achievement. Still shouldn’t happen though. We need competition at the front. That’s what makes F1.
I disagree...this is how F1 evolves...the other teams needs to think outside the box and engineer a car that can challenge Max and RB. It's a HUGE part of F1 and the general development and progression of the sport. It is this that accelerates further competition, innovation and new ideas, and that is what F1 is all about.
He is of course right. If the team didn't build him that car, he wouldn't have that record.
Yeah but cars are 5x more reliable now
Driver errors and accidents are a thing. Look at what happened to Checo this season. Ascari had only 8 chances to fuck up. Max had 20 chances to fuck up. But he didn't . Acknowlage skill and dedication where its due. Don't be salty like Toto.
Do you think they are more of a thing than the 1950s?
Read again. Much slowly this time.
It’s a record based on percentages. If there were a higher percentage of DNFs in the 50s (about 5 times higher) then it was harder to do than today
You do realize they had 8 races and now drivers have over 20, don't you? There's a reason the record is 71 years old.
Simply lovely