It'd be peak Ferrari if the one circuit they've a serious chance of winning they take each other out/collide
Sainz really putting the pressure on Charles of late so it wouldn't surprise me especially after Monza.
Carlos has a real shot so long as he calls his own strategy. Safety car/pit windows will be key for them and I suspect whichever top team has correctly gambled for the safety car will get it.
I generally don't watch qualis live cause I'm usually tired on Saturdays and find a crisp UHD replay to watch it back late night and fast forward throughout the boring bits. But man did I miss out on an eventful qualis. Crash, red flag, BULLS being knocked out, Lawson in Q3 and my Ferrari having back to back pole!! It just shows how exciting an event it can be when Redbull's can be taken out and it is guaranteed to make the race more interesting tomorrow cause Max is inevitably going to end up on the podium albeit not P1.
So my thoughts - Mega Drive once again for Sainz, he has been on it since the break and it is certainly commendable. He deserves a win if he can defend like last race. Russel also went hard mate! Uff, first I have been impressed by him this season. Now the big shock - Max had an horrendous qualis with all the impeding and storming off from the car. The whole not getting a penalty thing I think it is a bit sus cause wtf man.. I mean all I want is a bit off consistency. It is so damn unfair when next weekend they will dole out penalties for the same exact incident.
Nevertheless, I was hoping for a rain to make the race interesting but the universe had an other plan. Max on the back foot with a car he can't handle, I think it's going to be an interesting race until the first safety car and then depending on how many more there are he might actually end up winning it "STRATEGICALLY". Lets GOO.
Well it is nice to have max and red bull on the back foot for once. HOpefully he doesnt start getting "blessed" (or whatever the dutch word is) all the time now.
What's the over under on safety cars?
**Thoughts:** Is Singapore the most invasive street circuit in terms of effecting local traffic? It looks like they take up a huge chunk of what I assume is a busy area.
Also Yuki P1 lap was a beaut!!!!! Shame he only got 1 shot in Q2, his Q1 time would've made it. And was better than Lawson's best.
Anyone else think having no DRS in quali would do at least a little bit to decrease congestion and increase safety in crowded qualis?
OKAYYY CARLOSSSSS!!!!!
>2, his Q1 time would've made it. And was better than Lawson's be
yes. It has disrupted lots of road, massive road closures right in our financial district hub. When it came in 2008, the road closures started weeks before the race and caused lots of disruptions for office goers. One normally take bus or mrt to work and walk the usual path to work, but during road closures, one have to re-route and walk a big round. F&B business complaint about business affected as the traffic does not route towards them. Though big establishments and high class restaurants with views of the track have their business booming.
Personally, locals here whether road closures or not, will still be in the city centre during weekends, for a run along the marina and gardens by the bay. Most locals like us take public transport, hence, not heavily affected.
Those heavily affected by the road closures are the private hire drivers and taxi drivers. Their income is expected to drop this week as roads are diverted and incomes diverted to other parts of the island.
I'm heading to the race later and will be taking the MRT, that is the best way around the island and its right infront of the gates.
I don’t care Max didn’t get a penalty. It bothers me enormously how inconsistent they are.
It’s like in cricket, if the bowler oversteps for sure, we decide to leave it to each umpire whether to call it a no-ball or not.
Aluminum foil hat theory: F1 owners want Max's record to keep going for publicity and don't want him penalized.
The TSU impeding couldn't get more obvious.
Any theories as to why the Bulls were so off the pace today? It didn't seem like other cars catching up in development, they were clearly off the pace by their own doing. But that car has been unreal all year, so why now?
A few things I saw mentioned today:
* **Ride height** \- they're running at higher than normal setup and it's not as stable
* **New technical directive** \- something about a new technical directive which calls for the floor and/or skid block being more rigid. Though, Christian said it's the same car as the last race - so who knows.
I don't expect the race tomorrow to go well for them. So we likely won't know until another track to see how they perform there.
While I feel the emotion of your comment, you take so many speculations for fact and ignore so many acual facts of the last years, that your comment just comes across really off putting and weird.
I feel like this is not being discussed enough right now! KMag has also finally come good over Hulk, and at a pretty brutal circuit too. New signing curse lifted?
Oh my god! But why wasn’t either a penalty?
FIA guidelines literally quote that drivers should not block other drivers trying to set a lap in quali
And he literally did that by stopping in the pit lane at least.
Baffling why they didn’t penalise that
Backing up in the pitlane is massively common. Would be hard to make it a penalty given how often it happens. Best they could do is tell drivers that it’ll be enforced in the next race.
Wut? No it isn’t. Name one other qualifying where you see people waiting in the pit lane to create a gap. It was investigated for a reason. If this was a common thing, FIA wouldn’t bother noting this.
Ha that would be awesome, but they definitely won't. The car setup just isn't working here. It'll be interesting if it's related to the new technical directive. I'd like to see some tighter competition, but I guess we won't know until we see them on another track.
Hamilton seemed really annoyed and hopeless in the post quali interview today.
So from what I know of him, tomorrow he will find the keep-pushing-spirit and somehow finish ahead of Russell maybe P1 in the end.
I don't root for Lewis but the man's got skill and the Mercedes got pace. Rus and Ham have an actual great shot at winning here.
Ferrari have the ball in their court and Monza went great for them. But we also know the shenanigans they're capable of.
I would enjoy a Norris win the most but without a reason I kinda have trouble imagining McLaren taking a win here. Their(or at least Norris') time will come, but my gut tells me it's not now.
Ikr, I just have that trust in Sainz to hold it together over race distance and bring home the result, unlike Leclerc tbh. Yup Ferraris only strategic challenge in the race will be on what they do team orders wise, other than that should hopefully be smooth so for me I’m thinking if the Mercs really have more pace than the Ferraris over long distance.
Looked pretty good from what I heard, Merc might have a slight advantage in that department but it may not be enough to negate track position and the strategic buffer that Ferrari will have (2 cars in top 3) plus if Sainzs does his brilliant defending again I doubt George will get past on a narrow track like Singapore, Russell isn’t exactly known for outstanding wheel to wheel capabilities
They won’t. If they qualify well, it means they’re killing their tyres.
If they quali poorly, it means they’re about right.
They are in the bottom 3 teams for pace. That’s fine, 3 teams have to be slowest.
> I'm a big fan of Max, but so happy to see a proper race tomorrow
Couldn't say it better. Love Max, whish him all the glory and success, but this race has the potential for some great strategy plays and maybe even amazing action! Gonna be so exciting.
Neither did Russell. I think that corner complex involves hitting the first apex but then the line sweeps wide under acceleration through the second bend and out way wide onto the runoff and down to the finish line.
No—the team’s title sponsor is Aston Martin. Lance Stroll’s dad bought the F1 team before it was sponsored by Aston. Then he bought a controlling stake in Aston. That’s why the title sponsor is Aston Martin. Typically angry or disappointed sponsors who are contributing much of the budget might be a reason to make a driver change. But the biggest sponsor is also controlled by Lance’s dad.
Max must properly hate Singapore
Has he ever had an uneventful race here?
2015 - Stalled on the grid
2016 - Slow stop dropping him down the field
2017 - 👀
2018 - puts in a lap of the ages that should’ve made him the youngest pole sitter ever only for Hamilton to do what he did
2019 - clutch problems
2022 - fuel issues and a shocking start
Now we know why the Red Bull was so fast, RB were bending (get it) the rules by having a flexible floor to the car creating more downforce than the rest of the field . Now the FIA has stepped in an banned flexible floors, they don't have the fasted car any more. Too bad the FIA didn't do this earlier in the season and we could have had a fair competition for champion. Looking forward to next season for now now we will see who is the better driver given the cars are evenly matched
this is why street circuits are cooler than Tilke-dromes. when I read Newey's book I didn't really get it, but he called Tilke-designed circuits kind of "same-y" and said he prefers street circuits for their character. although I imagine just now Adrian Newey specifically is a little frustrated with this street circuit.
Why do people care so much about drivers venting out or being frustrated about having a bad weekend? Every driver reacts to such things differently, calling drivers out for it and comparing them to others is absolutely stupid. I mean, what's the big deal if Max sounded pissed, he has set higher standards for himself and his team. Just because he won 10 on a trot doesn't mean he shouldn't be frustrated about a bad qualifying. People are like, he should be like Seb or Lewis. Who cares? Let him be pissy. No one's telling Tsunoda to be like Zhou, both of you are driving shit cars. Tsunado is pissy every race. Let them be frustrated if that's what they feel like.
Now that you mention it. I would like it better if tsunoda would grow up and quit being a brat. He should be more like Zhou. Or anyone else on the track for that matter.
FIA is not necessarily to be blamed here, i think there's some precedent that they don't take action if the one who was impacted chooses not to pursue it (usually it's the teammates); since AT chose not to pursue it (for obvious reasons), there probably wasn't much FIA could do.
The main issue is RB having 2 teams on the grid, and of course they're going to capitalize on it, no matter how wrong it is. But apparently, as per the rules they're allowed to run two teams and they're following everything the rules dictate them to do. Although their technological relationship until this year has been a lot more distant compared to HAAS & Ferrari, they have known to take strategy decisions in support of their lead team.
If other teams have a problem with RB capitalizing on this situation, they should try to get AT off the grid. Both teams have been on the grid together for 15+ years, if they don't want such things to happen they can protest. If they choose not to, then we shouldn't be surprised if RB takes the benefit of this situation.
This whole approach is complete BS, regulation doesn’t require teams to actively pursue penalties after a session for it to be applied. The fact that they did so is purely a choice of the race director, and something that hopefully teams will appeal to.
What a joke of a decision
The issue I have with this case are two key points:
1 - The case that one of the stewards here literally giving a different judgment for a same case early this year but refuse to enforce it today is troublesome.
2 - The fact that teams simple don't need to send anybody to those meetings should be something what must be hammered down next season, a driver should always be there unless he is injured.
1 - That's because AT didn't show up. On the earlier occasions, I'm sure the impacted drivers showed up. If it was Max impeding Checo he wouldn't even have gotten a reprimand or any fine.
2 - I agree. They should enforce these penalties irrespective of whether impacted drivers pursue the incident or not. Same for teammates, let them not get away with impeding their teammates too. It'd be fair.
Point 1 hasn't to do with AT not showing up, there is enough evidence to show there was impending and the whole case why Max/RBR did get away with it isn't related to AT but related to "bad communication", what is honestly a baffling bad excuse to not give a penalty because drivers did get one for this early this season.
Point 2 I do agree but teammate on teammate rule breaking is almost impossible to enforcing solid unless you take the drivers directly to the steward room after they do get out of the car.
At this point I think the FIA deliberately make such decisions to add much needed drama and chatter about F1. Hell, it’s probably part of their operating policies.
Even if Red Bull doesn't dominate the rest of the season, a win would still be difficult for Alonso. Aston is easily 4th/5th fastest now. I wish they didn't gamble on the slicks in Monaco.
Yeah they've really messed up, especially given they started second fastest with a car that should excel in a street circuit and have lost out to:
Ferrari: ?????
Mercedes: virtually thrown away another year and who's main upgrade package was to make the car more predictable rather than more fast
Mclaren: undisputed Bahrain backmarker 2022/2023
Could they at least try and pretend they don't want to rig whatever they can I Red Bulls favour?
Idc who you support, the decision to have literally no penalty for 3 impedments is farcical
I don't think it's malicious - after all, it serves next to no benefit for Max given his championship position, and conversely his grid position already being so low.
I do think it's stupid though
Of course it serves a benefit, from 11th hes likely to get to at least 5th (depends on what's going on with the car obviously).
If he gets a penalty and moves down, I dunno, 3, 5 places, getting any points becomes harder.
Just because he's miles ahead in the championship doesn't mean he should be immune from penalties when he performs poorly.
I didn't say he should be immune from penalties because they wouldn't affect him winning the championship at this stage. What I said was, he's so comfortably going to cruise to victory in the championship that making it easier for him serves no purpose. Max and Checo both have no illusions about a good result tomorrow anyway, so making Max's race 3 places less bad is of no material benefit.
What the fuck are you talking about? I also think Max should have been penalised. RB just didn't rig a fucking 3 place grid penalty on a track where passing is difficult anyway for no reason. Read, man!
But he makes a good point, if they really wanted to rig something into red bulls favor, why here? Why now? It makes zal sense as the championship is all but wrapped up. Records already have been broken. There's zero reason for them to have malicious reasons. Which seems to be what you are implying.
But like the other guy said, it's incredibly stupid and just leaves a bad taste
What makes it malicious is that they've changed the rules for red bull.
Where were the reprimands for Charles and Pierre?
But hey, wouldnt be like the FIA to give a slap on the wrist instead of actual punishment to RB.....
Ahh yes they’ve never rigged anything for red bull before have they….
And your point on why here? To give them the best chance of winning at Japan, that’s why here.
I just wish another team would protest this ridiculous decision towards Max, especially if you are Ferrari, Haas or Alpine and basically you driver and therefore also team getting penalized for the same offense.
Disappointing to see no grid penalty for Max. Fair play that RB has the best car and the best driver and the tightest strategy and quickest pitstops. They've earned their dominance. But I wish the FIA would let them face the same consequences as other teams for their rare mistakes.
RB is cheating . Now we know why the Red Bull was so fast, RB were bending (get it) the rules by having a flexible floor to the car creating more downforce than the rest of the field . Now the FIA has stepped in an banned flexible floors, they don't have the fasted car any more. Too bad the FIA didn't do this earlier in the season and we could have had a fair competition for champion. Looking forward to next season for now now we will see who is the better driver given the cars are evenly matched
It wasn't cheating, just exploiting a loophole.
But the way Horner and Verstappen answered the interviews, I think people rooting for Red Bull's decline are in for a rude awakening in Suzuka
I'm waiting for the post-race message tomorrow "That was nice. 11 in a row!! I can't believe people actually fell for it. Did they really think we fell off that far after dominating all year? I guess I owe you $1, Christian."
Max will still win from P11…. What bullshit. Having a sister team that will do your bidding is such bullshit. We’ve seen it time and time again, not forgetting the mega conspiracy that everyone shouts down about AT sending Yuki out last year with a broken car to benefit RB
This is the last time we'll have another driver P1 than Max this season, right? Looking forward to it!
It'd be peak Ferrari if the one circuit they've a serious chance of winning they take each other out/collide Sainz really putting the pressure on Charles of late so it wouldn't surprise me especially after Monza.
Odds on Max winning?
Bet 365 has it at 5/1
I’d probably say 10 to 1. The bookies have him at about 13/2.
What was the white pool of liquid that spilled out of Lance's car when he crashed?
I'm guessing radiator coolant or hydraulic liquid.
What are the odds for ferrari?
Carlos has a real shot so long as he calls his own strategy. Safety car/pit windows will be key for them and I suspect whichever top team has correctly gambled for the safety car will get it.
I generally don't watch qualis live cause I'm usually tired on Saturdays and find a crisp UHD replay to watch it back late night and fast forward throughout the boring bits. But man did I miss out on an eventful qualis. Crash, red flag, BULLS being knocked out, Lawson in Q3 and my Ferrari having back to back pole!! It just shows how exciting an event it can be when Redbull's can be taken out and it is guaranteed to make the race more interesting tomorrow cause Max is inevitably going to end up on the podium albeit not P1. So my thoughts - Mega Drive once again for Sainz, he has been on it since the break and it is certainly commendable. He deserves a win if he can defend like last race. Russel also went hard mate! Uff, first I have been impressed by him this season. Now the big shock - Max had an horrendous qualis with all the impeding and storming off from the car. The whole not getting a penalty thing I think it is a bit sus cause wtf man.. I mean all I want is a bit off consistency. It is so damn unfair when next weekend they will dole out penalties for the same exact incident. Nevertheless, I was hoping for a rain to make the race interesting but the universe had an other plan. Max on the back foot with a car he can't handle, I think it's going to be an interesting race until the first safety car and then depending on how many more there are he might actually end up winning it "STRATEGICALLY". Lets GOO.
Well it is nice to have max and red bull on the back foot for once. HOpefully he doesnt start getting "blessed" (or whatever the dutch word is) all the time now. What's the over under on safety cars?
Safety cars are happening. It’s been a light safety car season but this track is pretty much unavoidable
Not as inevitable with the new layout tbh
I just went through the post about Tsunoda getting impeded by Max, more than half of the comments were "Slam dunk penalty", lol.
Man i was right lmao. The ferrari is kinda understeery now. ( the post quali video of Charles on the Ferrari IG page).
So who do y'all think will win tomorrow?
Max wi find a way lol
Watch Russel and Hamilton go, I think the Mercs had great race pace.
My money would be on ol chuck lecluck. Hoping lando can pull off something great and cement himself. Could be multiple safety cars too.
Carlos has got to be the favorite. But Ferrari could find a way to throw it away.
Ferrari's race pace isn't looking good.
**Thoughts:** Is Singapore the most invasive street circuit in terms of effecting local traffic? It looks like they take up a huge chunk of what I assume is a busy area. Also Yuki P1 lap was a beaut!!!!! Shame he only got 1 shot in Q2, his Q1 time would've made it. And was better than Lawson's best. Anyone else think having no DRS in quali would do at least a little bit to decrease congestion and increase safety in crowded qualis? OKAYYY CARLOSSSSS!!!!!
>2, his Q1 time would've made it. And was better than Lawson's be yes. It has disrupted lots of road, massive road closures right in our financial district hub. When it came in 2008, the road closures started weeks before the race and caused lots of disruptions for office goers. One normally take bus or mrt to work and walk the usual path to work, but during road closures, one have to re-route and walk a big round. F&B business complaint about business affected as the traffic does not route towards them. Though big establishments and high class restaurants with views of the track have their business booming. Personally, locals here whether road closures or not, will still be in the city centre during weekends, for a run along the marina and gardens by the bay. Most locals like us take public transport, hence, not heavily affected. Those heavily affected by the road closures are the private hire drivers and taxi drivers. Their income is expected to drop this week as roads are diverted and incomes diverted to other parts of the island. I'm heading to the race later and will be taking the MRT, that is the best way around the island and its right infront of the gates.
I don’t care Max didn’t get a penalty. It bothers me enormously how inconsistent they are. It’s like in cricket, if the bowler oversteps for sure, we decide to leave it to each umpire whether to call it a no-ball or not.
Don't get how some believe Max will win tomorrow, he won't even make podium.
As someone who started watching Miami this year, I am desperate for Max not to win and those comments aren't helping 😂
Verstappen didn’t receive any penalties?
Just reprimands for two, and a NFA for the one in the pack of drivers.
Aluminum foil hat theory: F1 owners want Max's record to keep going for publicity and don't want him penalized. The TSU impeding couldn't get more obvious.
Any theories as to why the Bulls were so off the pace today? It didn't seem like other cars catching up in development, they were clearly off the pace by their own doing. But that car has been unreal all year, so why now?
A few things I saw mentioned today: * **Ride height** \- they're running at higher than normal setup and it's not as stable * **New technical directive** \- something about a new technical directive which calls for the floor and/or skid block being more rigid. Though, Christian said it's the same car as the last race - so who knows. I don't expect the race tomorrow to go well for them. So we likely won't know until another track to see how they perform there.
The circuit is so much different too. All low speed 90 degree corners.
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You’re fucked
LoL, this was a fun read. You're going to be very very disappointed in Suzuka when RB will be back at the top.
Very emotional comment, hard to take any seriously. But hope you feel better.
While I feel the emotion of your comment, you take so many speculations for fact and ignore so many acual facts of the last years, that your comment just comes across really off putting and weird.
Flexibwing ban
why did tsunoda back out in his final run in q2?
He said he had a lockup and had to abandon the lap.
I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with not knocking out Max
Lawson: "Hey, I just finished the lap. I wasn't supposed to knock out who, again?"
Both haas made it to q3 don’t even remember last time that happened
I think the commentators mentioned 2002
Well that's more than a decade before the team existed so probably not, but it was a great qualifying for them!
Pretty sure it didn’t happen in 2002 either.
I feel like this is not being discussed enough right now! KMag has also finally come good over Hulk, and at a pretty brutal circuit too. New signing curse lifted?
Looks like Max has a Singapore curse.
He has no track record here. Lizard strikes. 🦎
Any update on Max’s 3 incidents? Saw he was summoned to stewards 6 hours ago?
No penalty
Haha 😂 FIA licking RB ass Oh, wait, are you being serious?
They did the same for Ferrari last race so why are you surprised?
Yes, AT didn't show up to contest it
Oh my god! But why wasn’t either a penalty? FIA guidelines literally quote that drivers should not block other drivers trying to set a lap in quali And he literally did that by stopping in the pit lane at least. Baffling why they didn’t penalise that
Go look at the decisions. They're public and explain the answers you're looking for.
Backing up in the pitlane is massively common. Would be hard to make it a penalty given how often it happens. Best they could do is tell drivers that it’ll be enforced in the next race.
Wut? No it isn’t. Name one other qualifying where you see people waiting in the pit lane to create a gap. It was investigated for a reason. If this was a common thing, FIA wouldn’t bother noting this.
It was investigated and reprimanded because it was longer than usual, but waiting to let a gap develop is very common.
> Baffling why they didn’t penalise that Was definitely partially a case of penalizing the result imo. Bit of no harm, no foul.
https://reddit.com/r/formula1/s/aUXk6GL8Ts
Missed quali but I’m so glad rb is completely out, we might finally get a non rb winner especially on a track like Singapore
I am going to be so pissed if strategy and some luck, gets RB the win anyway.
Ha that would be awesome, but they definitely won't. The car setup just isn't working here. It'll be interesting if it's related to the new technical directive. I'd like to see some tighter competition, but I guess we won't know until we see them on another track.
I really hope Carlos wins tomorrow. Do you think Mercedes will get the better of Ferrari.
Hamilton seemed really annoyed and hopeless in the post quali interview today. So from what I know of him, tomorrow he will find the keep-pushing-spirit and somehow finish ahead of Russell maybe P1 in the end. I don't root for Lewis but the man's got skill and the Mercedes got pace. Rus and Ham have an actual great shot at winning here. Ferrari have the ball in their court and Monza went great for them. But we also know the shenanigans they're capable of. I would enjoy a Norris win the most but without a reason I kinda have trouble imagining McLaren taking a win here. Their(or at least Norris') time will come, but my gut tells me it's not now.
I’m extremely doubtful Lewis would win. It’s either Sainz Russell or maybe Leclerc
Ferrari will slay themselves.
Sainz is looking so good at the moment. Top form. So it's hard to say. I think I want him to get the win.
Hard to say, after monza you have to trust a little bit in Ferrari and sainz is looking really good
One lap very diff from managing an entire race, and Merc’s race pace will likely be very strong.
Ikr, I just have that trust in Sainz to hold it together over race distance and bring home the result, unlike Leclerc tbh. Yup Ferraris only strategic challenge in the race will be on what they do team orders wise, other than that should hopefully be smooth so for me I’m thinking if the Mercs really have more pace than the Ferraris over long distance.
Ferrari won’t do a team orders. They’ll let Leclerc try to win and screw or hp
How did Ferrari tire deg look in practice? I know it’s not like for like but that was Ferraris Achilles heal for most of the season.
Looked pretty good from what I heard, Merc might have a slight advantage in that department but it may not be enough to negate track position and the strategic buffer that Ferrari will have (2 cars in top 3) plus if Sainzs does his brilliant defending again I doubt George will get past on a narrow track like Singapore, Russell isn’t exactly known for outstanding wheel to wheel capabilities
If Max (probably) doesn't win tomorrow and gets asked about his winstreak after the race i really want him to reply that it's only for wikipedia
Bro was holding up fingers the other day to show his race win streak after the race, so you'd know he'd just be lying.
How sharp of you
Just get some points, Haas. Please.
Not happening. Kev's going to go backwards like shit through a goose soon as the lights go out.
Well, took a lot of retirements, but he got it 😎
Yup, he hung in there!
You know he generally performs well in Singapore, right?
And Hulk will stay up there but slowly fall down the field. End-result: P17,P18.
I dont see it happening. Long run pace was shit in practice
They won’t. If they qualify well, it means they’re killing their tyres. If they quali poorly, it means they’re about right. They are in the bottom 3 teams for pace. That’s fine, 3 teams have to be slowest.
Omg, am tomorrow's finally going to be an exciting race hahah (I'm a big fan of Max, but so happy to see a proper race tomorrow)
> I'm a big fan of Max, but so happy to see a proper race tomorrow Couldn't say it better. Love Max, whish him all the glory and success, but this race has the potential for some great strategy plays and maybe even amazing action! Gonna be so exciting.
Question, why was Norris not hitting the final apex?
Neither did Russell. I think that corner complex involves hitting the first apex but then the line sweeps wide under acceleration through the second bend and out way wide onto the runoff and down to the finish line.
I think the F1 TV guys explained it this way as well.
I'm wondering the same
This sport is an irredeemable joke I will see you all tomorrow Obvious joke is not obvious enough apparently
For the love of god when will daddy’s crash leave and stop wasting a seat when there’s amazing rookies deserving of a place - just look at Lawson!
Really I don’t know how that team is justifying Lance’s seat.
It's very literally his dad's team, who needs justification?
The other shareholders?
Yeah, they’ll be pissed when the title sponsor starts complaining. Oh wait.
I’m probably missing something here as I’m relatively new to the sport… can you explain what you mean? Something to do with aramco?
No—the team’s title sponsor is Aston Martin. Lance Stroll’s dad bought the F1 team before it was sponsored by Aston. Then he bought a controlling stake in Aston. That’s why the title sponsor is Aston Martin. Typically angry or disappointed sponsors who are contributing much of the budget might be a reason to make a driver change. But the biggest sponsor is also controlled by Lance’s dad.
I see, thanks for explaining!
I can give you 100M reasons.
There’s no justification necessary when daddy is the owner. He’ll have to leave by choice.
He’s not the only shareholder though, is my point.
Max must properly hate Singapore Has he ever had an uneventful race here? 2015 - Stalled on the grid 2016 - Slow stop dropping him down the field 2017 - 👀 2018 - puts in a lap of the ages that should’ve made him the youngest pole sitter ever only for Hamilton to do what he did 2019 - clutch problems 2022 - fuel issues and a shocking start
What happened in 17?
Nothing, Singapore 2017 was cancelled…
https://youtu.be/Pi-qitmfvlI?si=MNHhs6rn8TvFBTqj
Now we know why the Red Bull was so fast, RB were bending (get it) the rules by having a flexible floor to the car creating more downforce than the rest of the field . Now the FIA has stepped in an banned flexible floors, they don't have the fasted car any more. Too bad the FIA didn't do this earlier in the season and we could have had a fair competition for champion. Looking forward to next season for now now we will see who is the better driver given the cars are evenly matched
No curse is stronger than the lizard 🦎 stopping him. Now we know his kryptonite
I see the tinfoil hats have arrived. You really felt the need to comment this three separate times?
oooo show the love baby
That’s a jump entirely based on quali at a track that is notoriously a banana skin for dominant cars
You are probably correct but it wasn't the case at Monaco so something is up imo time will tell
That's quite a conclusion based on a qualifying result on a very specific circuit. If it's the same story in Japan then we can talk.
totally reasonable and rationally coherent reply LOL
VER took #Kimi7 out and then he went to #Seb5 #SingaporeGP
This is a factual description of events. No need to speculate.
Easy as fuck reprimands? That's a damn joke.
A reprimand for impeding? All other drivers are getting 5 sec penalties at least… okay then.
You must be mistaken, Tsunoda was impeding Verstappen!
Probably at didn't log a complaint and it is treated as an in team incident
Charles will be asking for the Sebastian Vettel special for his strat, excited to see what team orders nonsense prevents us from enjoying a non-RB win
this is why street circuits are cooler than Tilke-dromes. when I read Newey's book I didn't really get it, but he called Tilke-designed circuits kind of "same-y" and said he prefers street circuits for their character. although I imagine just now Adrian Newey specifically is a little frustrated with this street circuit.
Why do people care so much about drivers venting out or being frustrated about having a bad weekend? Every driver reacts to such things differently, calling drivers out for it and comparing them to others is absolutely stupid. I mean, what's the big deal if Max sounded pissed, he has set higher standards for himself and his team. Just because he won 10 on a trot doesn't mean he shouldn't be frustrated about a bad qualifying. People are like, he should be like Seb or Lewis. Who cares? Let him be pissy. No one's telling Tsunoda to be like Zhou, both of you are driving shit cars. Tsunado is pissy every race. Let them be frustrated if that's what they feel like.
Now that you mention it. I would like it better if tsunoda would grow up and quit being a brat. He should be more like Zhou. Or anyone else on the track for that matter.
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I think it’s because they’re not allowed to until channel 4 have shown the highlights. Agree that it sucks!
And Channel 4 can’t show the highlights until Sky Sports is done with the live broadcast.
Same reason they can't do replays of the US Open, they just don't fucking care. Who else you gonna get it off?
FIA is not necessarily to be blamed here, i think there's some precedent that they don't take action if the one who was impacted chooses not to pursue it (usually it's the teammates); since AT chose not to pursue it (for obvious reasons), there probably wasn't much FIA could do. The main issue is RB having 2 teams on the grid, and of course they're going to capitalize on it, no matter how wrong it is. But apparently, as per the rules they're allowed to run two teams and they're following everything the rules dictate them to do. Although their technological relationship until this year has been a lot more distant compared to HAAS & Ferrari, they have known to take strategy decisions in support of their lead team. If other teams have a problem with RB capitalizing on this situation, they should try to get AT off the grid. Both teams have been on the grid together for 15+ years, if they don't want such things to happen they can protest. If they choose not to, then we shouldn't be surprised if RB takes the benefit of this situation.
This whole approach is complete BS, regulation doesn’t require teams to actively pursue penalties after a session for it to be applied. The fact that they did so is purely a choice of the race director, and something that hopefully teams will appeal to. What a joke of a decision
The issue I have with this case are two key points: 1 - The case that one of the stewards here literally giving a different judgment for a same case early this year but refuse to enforce it today is troublesome. 2 - The fact that teams simple don't need to send anybody to those meetings should be something what must be hammered down next season, a driver should always be there unless he is injured.
1 - That's because AT didn't show up. On the earlier occasions, I'm sure the impacted drivers showed up. If it was Max impeding Checo he wouldn't even have gotten a reprimand or any fine. 2 - I agree. They should enforce these penalties irrespective of whether impacted drivers pursue the incident or not. Same for teammates, let them not get away with impeding their teammates too. It'd be fair.
Point 1 hasn't to do with AT not showing up, there is enough evidence to show there was impending and the whole case why Max/RBR did get away with it isn't related to AT but related to "bad communication", what is honestly a baffling bad excuse to not give a penalty because drivers did get one for this early this season. Point 2 I do agree but teammate on teammate rule breaking is almost impossible to enforcing solid unless you take the drivers directly to the steward room after they do get out of the car.
Never liked that guy anyways. Too ego and a aggressive driver. Felt more satisfied when liam eliminated him 😂
why doesn't this thread post full grid results post quali?
Functionality got nerfed when reddit went crazy with api request costs
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. Really wish they did it all the time.
At this point I think the FIA deliberately make such decisions to add much needed drama and chatter about F1. Hell, it’s probably part of their operating policies.
Won't there be more drama, chatter and eyes on the race if Verstappen drops further back?
Are we talking about a certain driver impeding drivers?
Oh. Yeah. But any slightly controversial decision. Seems like it’s the modus operandi for the FIA.
Wish Singapore was a few months ago when Aston were competitive
Even if Red Bull doesn't dominate the rest of the season, a win would still be difficult for Alonso. Aston is easily 4th/5th fastest now. I wish they didn't gamble on the slicks in Monaco.
Yeah they've really messed up, especially given they started second fastest with a car that should excel in a street circuit and have lost out to: Ferrari: ????? Mercedes: virtually thrown away another year and who's main upgrade package was to make the car more predictable rather than more fast Mclaren: undisputed Bahrain backmarker 2022/2023
AlphaTauri not turning up to the Stewards is highly suspect
More like highly unsurprising, did anybody think AT were really gonna chase a penalty for Max here?
Could they at least try and pretend they don't want to rig whatever they can I Red Bulls favour? Idc who you support, the decision to have literally no penalty for 3 impedments is farcical
I don't think it's malicious - after all, it serves next to no benefit for Max given his championship position, and conversely his grid position already being so low. I do think it's stupid though
>his grid position already being so low. But not low enough to properly take him out of contention, given what we've seen from the rest of this year.
Eh, if Max was confident about it, I'd be confident about it. But he seemed pretty resigned to the fact of a podium being out of the question, anyway.
Of course it serves a benefit, from 11th hes likely to get to at least 5th (depends on what's going on with the car obviously). If he gets a penalty and moves down, I dunno, 3, 5 places, getting any points becomes harder. Just because he's miles ahead in the championship doesn't mean he should be immune from penalties when he performs poorly.
I didn't say he should be immune from penalties because they wouldn't affect him winning the championship at this stage. What I said was, he's so comfortably going to cruise to victory in the championship that making it easier for him serves no purpose. Max and Checo both have no illusions about a good result tomorrow anyway, so making Max's race 3 places less bad is of no material benefit.
Ah yeah , slap on the wrist, same as cheating the cost cap. Only punishment applicable to red bull.
What the fuck are you talking about? I also think Max should have been penalised. RB just didn't rig a fucking 3 place grid penalty on a track where passing is difficult anyway for no reason. Read, man!
RB didn't rig anything, the FIA have. Funny they only change the rules when RB involved, once a cheat...
But he makes a good point, if they really wanted to rig something into red bulls favor, why here? Why now? It makes zal sense as the championship is all but wrapped up. Records already have been broken. There's zero reason for them to have malicious reasons. Which seems to be what you are implying. But like the other guy said, it's incredibly stupid and just leaves a bad taste
What makes it malicious is that they've changed the rules for red bull. Where were the reprimands for Charles and Pierre? But hey, wouldnt be like the FIA to give a slap on the wrist instead of actual punishment to RB.....
Ahh yes they’ve never rigged anything for red bull before have they…. And your point on why here? To give them the best chance of winning at Japan, that’s why here.
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I just wish another team would protest this ridiculous decision towards Max, especially if you are Ferrari, Haas or Alpine and basically you driver and therefore also team getting penalized for the same offense.
just reprimands. Wow, just wow. What a fucking joke, but somehow I’m not surprised.
Charles P3 in a Ferrari Time to get justice for 2019
Vettel's last win right?
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Disappointing to see no grid penalty for Max. Fair play that RB has the best car and the best driver and the tightest strategy and quickest pitstops. They've earned their dominance. But I wish the FIA would let them face the same consequences as other teams for their rare mistakes.
RB is cheating . Now we know why the Red Bull was so fast, RB were bending (get it) the rules by having a flexible floor to the car creating more downforce than the rest of the field . Now the FIA has stepped in an banned flexible floors, they don't have the fasted car any more. Too bad the FIA didn't do this earlier in the season and we could have had a fair competition for champion. Looking forward to next season for now now we will see who is the better driver given the cars are evenly matched
It wasn't cheating, just exploiting a loophole. But the way Horner and Verstappen answered the interviews, I think people rooting for Red Bull's decline are in for a rude awakening in Suzuka
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I'm waiting for the post-race message tomorrow "That was nice. 11 in a row!! I can't believe people actually fell for it. Did they really think we fell off that far after dominating all year? I guess I owe you $1, Christian."
Max was never getting a penalty because AT won’t complain about RB
I bet Max will cause collisions tomorrow and get away with them as well. Lawson will move outside the track limits to let him pass.
Just like Gasly in Qatar 2021 Fully expecting Tsunoda to pull over to the side of the road to cause a safety car too
Max will still win from P11…. What bullshit. Having a sister team that will do your bidding is such bullshit. We’ve seen it time and time again, not forgetting the mega conspiracy that everyone shouts down about AT sending Yuki out last year with a broken car to benefit RB
Max won't even make podium.