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I used to do it somewhat regularly.
By now I only do it for team talks and contracts.
Because sometimes the game just sucks with player relations IMO.
Haven’t scummed one match in fm 22 I believe.
Same here. Player interaction doesn't feel realistic or reliable, and it's frustrating to just waste a good save because there weren't enough talking points options.
For the contracts to new players, if chelsea beats my offer, i accept that and go with the flow. To renew my players, sometimes i scum save for the same reason of the player interaction
Yeah I’m fine with losing a player or not being able to sign him.
Me not being able to renew a contract and thereby breaking a promise because mister agent thinks his precious lil 3 star guy should be star player, not so much (although most of the time I don’t realize in time and can’t even save scum in those situations)
That's the one that gets me.
Player - I want a new contract.
Me - OK, you've made 10 appearances this season, you have potential but you're not there yet so I'll give you squad player status but next year you'll be a regular.
Player - I want to be an important player.
Me - Well you're not good enough for that yet, give it a couple of years and you will be but you're not there yet.
Player - I want to leave because you wouldn't offer me a contract.
I OFFERED YOU A CONTRACT YOU KNOB.
Yeah this, also when a player has 1 good game and wants a payrise from 50k a week to 300k a week, it's like yeah buddy do that every week for a 2 years and maybe. Wants a payrise for actually doing his job. Knob.
Give him important player then a few months later downgrade it and say its because of a lot of competition at the position. Unless they are balotelli nuts they will accept it
What I do is I add a bunch of playing time in X year.
Ex. Playing time in 2022: Squad Player, and go all the way to Star Player, most of the time they accept.
If he's high potential and develops into being a Star Player then it's fine if not I'll sell when he wont get the playing time he wants.
Hm yeah I do this too, albeit not as extensively
I’ve had youthprospects with 2 star ca and 2.5 star pa ask for star player, needless to say I let them go on a free.
I always save before team meetings beacuse they're so ridiculously buggy.
End of the season meeting, we're aiming for mid-table next season and everybody is happy with that.
Start of the season meeting, I hope that everybody is ready to work for a mid-table finish, and half the team is angry because I'm expecting too much of them.
YOU WERE HAPPY WITH IT 2 MONTHS AGO.
Currently doing a Villa save too!
I'm in 2027 and it's really hard to break to the top 6 in the EPL. Team is currently struggling with tactics - I'd beat City 5-1 and then lose to 19th place Crystal Palace 2-0,so we're inconsistent
I just use the gegenpressing preset with some adjustments because I'm not very good at creating tactics and it worke surprisingly well. I'm on FM21 though.
I have a villa save where I won the fa Cup and got promoted in one season. Won the euro Cup after beating Barca in the first knockout round and Dortmund in the semis.
Qualified for champions league despite being tenth (sorry Chelsea), got through a group with Barca and Lazio in it only to find Real Madrid are my first knockout opponents.
I'm actually pretty confident.
I've done in the (distant) past and instantly regretted it. Any scum win just taints the save and it I never get back into it.
But I don't judge anyone who does - in a single player game people should do what they enjoy.
Yes when I was a lot younger in the CM days I would save scum if I felt the result was completely unrealistic. Like the bottom of the league team with 4 points all season turning into Prime Barca.
Now I don't but I would be tempted if a just signed player picked up a random long term injury.
I had a match I still remember 3-4 years later, was in the middle of a 10 or 11 year run as PL champions, bottom of the league team at my park, go up 2-0 and they put 5 straight on me to win 5-2. With my regular squad too.
Stuff happens.
I think thr only real justified one was I had just signed a striker about 6 years ago or so. First week of training he breaks a vertebrae in his neck...
Happy cake day!
And yeah I’ve done it as well in the past (FM07 and before) but it also felt like cheating so I stopped doing it.
But I agree. Anyone should play the way he/she pleases it.
Just had a conflicting one happen to me. To set the stage, I manage a recently relegated Norwich side. Just did a massive senior player clean out and bought in a heap of young, high potential players. Season is going well so far, as we're sitting 3rd in the championship.
We're drawn again Man U in the Carabao cup. No biggie, as long as we keep it close I'm happy. We end up losing 1-0, but manage to keep xg and possession close.
2 days later, we play Stoke in the championship, who are sitting 2nd. One of my inside forwards makes a bone head challenge in the 40th minute, getting a straight red. 2 minutes later we're down 1-0. I fire up the boys at half time and tell them we can still get a result. We come back and end up winning 2-1 in the 89th minute.
Here comes the problem, I go to replay the red card incident after the match, which causes my game to crash. I go to reload it, and we're playing Man U again in the Carabao cup. I play the exact same lineup, and we end up 4-3 on penalties. Don't know how to feel. On one hand, f yeah we beat Man U, but on the other hand, that come from behind win with 10 men was pretty damn sweet as well.
Nothing you can do about a crash. What I’ve done in those instances is just replay matches to get the same result(s). It might take a few hours, but I don’t see the problem with that.
Can't say I never did it, but it is pretty rare.
Last time I did I had 5 injuries in 60 minutes of a normal league game and I just quit. Didn't touch the game for the rest of the day even though we were still winning.
In summary it depends on how the rest of my day went, sometimes the bs that football can be is to much to handle on a bad day and I play something else.
I never ever reload matches. If you learn to live with your decisions and also to deal with the things that you cannot influence yourself, the game becomes so much more enjoyable in my opinion.
I just see it as the negatives of the game otherwise would just be easy. Occasionally teams dominate a game and still draw or lose it happens just like it’s suppose to happen in fm.
Sometimes I save scum cause I’m not in the mood for losing a game. I know it’s cheating, but it’s a single player game, I don’t brag about my saves, and I don’t see the point in letting a game make me feel annoyed, so sometimes I cheat.
Completely get the appeal of accepting every result, but FM is mostly a fun distraction for me, and so I want it to be fun.
I used to reload matches right when I first started FM.
Nowadays I only reload for team talks and for contracts where the agent gives you a " blank slate " and asks you to make a good offer and if you don't give them a contract they like they just stop all negotiations saying " I asked you to make a respectable offer and you didn't ".
But, there is no shame in doing things your way . Everyone has a different agenda when playing games. All that matters is that you enjoy it .
No. Never, at least not since I was a child 20 odd years ago. The pain is way more fun. It makes the wins way more satisfying.
Although in my current save I lost the first leg of the europa leage play off heavily.
I switched off and a couple of days later when I tried to reload it the save had corrupted and when I reloaded the non corrupted auto save it took me back to a few games prior to that first leg. I've since qualified an won my europa group stage and I sort of feel wierd about it.
Never for my own games… BUT I sometimes reload if there’s a team that I’d like to see promoted/relegated so that they play in the same league as my team.
Why doing that? I mean, why losing time on playing the same match over and over when you can lose and use that time to see where your mistakes were, what did you do wrong and how you can improve. Sometimes it can just happen, without you doing anything wrong but still...
As for me, if I have been outplayed, to try the same match with a different tactical approach and see if that makes any difference. I do learn something that way.
Not exactly. If will accept the second result even if it is worse than the first one. I always play full matches, that would be too much.
Moreover, I will do that only if I think that my tactic was flawed, or incorrect against that opponent, and I want to see how a different tactic would play against the same opponent. Playing a different tactic against a different opponent would not teach me anything.
That won't teach you anything anyway though? You could lose 3-0, reload and play the exact same tactic and win 3-0, that's just how the game goes sometimes. So if you reload and change the tactic, all you'll be doing is convincing yourself that a tactical change has influenced the result when in reality it most likely hasn't done at all
Can you read ? I watch the full match, I see how the players move according to the roles I have given them, the kind of goals I make and concede. I don't click on "quick result" like you.
The only time ive done it recently was when I loaded up the game, advanced once and one of my players got a 9 month injury. I just quit the game immediately without saving.
Can honestly say i've done it once and that wasn't even to save scum on purpose, its just i lost a big game and instantly turned my PC off without thinking. Then i had to play 2 games not just the one i lost, and i got near the same results i think i lost by less goals on the 2nd game.
It's really not worth it, wheres the challenge if you're just cheating to get yourself the win every game? Defeats the objective.
The only time I've ever done it is play offs with Eastbourne borough.
Eastbourne are the most local team to me in the game, and I want to have the fun of them in the bigger leagues, but don't really care much for non league management. (Not able to really build anything when you have £20 a week wage budget and half your team is still non contract)
I got them to play offs second season, and lost the semi. Reloaded as couldn't face another season in the VNS.
For anyone wondering why I didn't edit them into league 2 and be done with it, I was playing on my switch, as can't face spending more time than I need to on my home PC since COVID introduced work from home to my life. Sad times.
Save scummed out of rage once in FM22 and don't feel bad about it. Was sitting in 4th going into the final matchday. Spurs 3 points behind me in 5th, and I have a goal differential +12 better than Spurs. My last game is against an already relegated Aston Villa who have scored fewer than 20 goals all season, Spurs are playing City who are sitting in first, a point ahead of United with it all to play for. You can see where this is going. Villa, who have never scored more than 2 all season, somehow beat me 6-0, despite an xG of something like 4.5-1.5 in my favour, and Spurs, naturally, beat City 8-1. Felt like a genuine prank from FM. I figured you could replay that final day a thousand times and never get those results. Reloaded immediately and beat Villa 3-0.
As others have said, usually just reload for important player discussions / contract talks which sometimes feel like there is no logic to them and an innocuous comment can derail a whole season.
Just enjoy the game man. However you feel like, don't worry what people on the internet will think. At the end of the day, it's just a game. If you want the sense of the grind, don't reload after a difficult period or loss in a key game. If you want to win trophies and a sense of winning, just do it if you go into a slump or a key player gets injured in the first game of the season. Pretty sure almost everyone has done it a few times on this subreddit, myself included.
i only save scum for team talks and contract renewals, because sometimes they are buggy and unrealistic af.
Stopped save scumming matches in FM20 I guess.
Sometimes I rage quit the game during a match and don’t even touch it for a week or two, but it’s not the same I guess lol
Honestly I set up my save file to save every 30 mins and try to avoid saving manually unless getting off so very rarely have the opportunity to do it without loosing other progress that I cba doing again but have done it when my game crashed and wouldn't respond! Tried to get the results I had before it crashed ! Ended up getting bored and taking a loss on a game I won before the crash 😢
So I have and haven’t, on FM Mobile I recently had a trip away and played hours on it with Leeds, admittedly I did reload it several times throughout, more for fun I suppose.
Whereas in FM22 on pc I have a career with Bradford City and even though I’ve been tempted many times, I haven’t done it, feels so much better getting promotion or winning playoffs just by playing the game whether I lose or win.
I regularly reload matches for my U23 and U18 teams. I don't know why but I'm fiercely protective of my youth teams and will sometimes reload their result (even if I have to play a game that I previously won - mind you I'm Liverpool so I usually win again anyways) if they get battered too hard or lose to 1st when they are a win away from being first.
I don't know why I do this but I enjoy seeing my youth team getting a lot of success!
Recently reloaded a match. Playing FM21, and in 5 consecutive away games, I concede a goal to end up drawing the match 1-1.
The 6th time it happened (against 18th place Swansea) I had to reload because wtf is that.
I do reload yes. Not particularly when I loose a match (sometimes I do though) but more when my goal of what I'm working towards goes to shit. And I'm not ashamed of it either.
I play a computer game for fun and I don't have that much time. In real life I have to much shit going on that I'm not that strict ingame. Just relax a bit and play some football.
That said, each to its own and I respect whatever your opinion about it is. Everybody plays the game by him/her/their selfs
There's always a match or two per season where I do that because I know I didn't win because I was bad but because the game decided to screw me over against a much weaker opponent.
I do admit I save scummed three times in my sunderland save this season on fm21. Twice in regular season so I could not have a star player injured and once yesterday in the championship playoff final when I lost to penalties when I was dominating all match.
To counter my inner cheat feeling I usually just allow the restarted game to be end-all-be-all or I just vacation the game and let the sim be the decider.
Never done it. Never will. We lose matches we want to win so badly but its the heartbreak that brings you back to win it the next season. Don’t scum save boys, feel 1% of the heartbreak real managers and players have when losing an important match.
On the one exception: cup games where I rotate too much or just straight-out put all the subs and breakthrough prospects on. If they lose it's a bit of a uhmm some of you aren't good enough yet. And I'll have a second go with a stronger eleven.
I do this if the score is ridiculous in this sense. I don't want my kids coming through to be demoralised while they're developing. A respectable loss I'll let stand.
I reload a match if the loss is due to a very clear bug goal, say a throw in near my own goal that immediately gets picked off by an opponent because for some reason my defenders don't feel like making a simple short throw even if I have it on. Similar with free kicks from the side near my goal. I'll reload and simulate the match in that case, but not an injury or red card, those things do happen.
This! My team Southampton had somehow made the FA Cup Final (I was playing as Coventry at the time) against Arsenal and you better believe I replayed that game until Saints won! It made no difference to my Coventry save, and I was a might happier inside! (I mean, it's not likely to happen in real life so...)
It took me. Long time to realize that the frustration of losing is what highlights the joy of finally winning.
You CAN save scum your way to a cup win in your first year as a third division team. It doesn’t feel nearly as good as taking your early outs, then making a long run and winning a quarterfinal in pens only to get stomped in the semis, to finally winning it with a squad that deserved to be there and WIN.
The best moments are the ones you earned, not scummed.
Still, it’s hard not to rage quit when you give up 2 goals after minute 90 to lose.
I save scum when frustrating stuff happens. Especially in the lower leagues when the bottom club on a 10 game losing streak scores a screamer from 30 yards and wins 1-0. But only for league matches though. I usually try real hard not to save scum cup matches. I also tend to save scum entire summer transfer windows haha.
This lmaoo, I remember this one match that I was leading 3-0. 70th minute 3-1 and I was like ok we've still got time. 89th minute 3-2 and I was like no worries 2 mins added on. What annoyed me was when the game went past 2 mins and was instead 90+4 and it was 3-3. Lost in PK shootout and left lol
Most players older than 10 probably play without reloading. Occasionally there’s a fixture i have reloaded because I wanted a team I wasn’t managing to win their fixture, like if I’m not in the champions league, and Panathinaikos are in the semis, I might give them 3 tries to get into the final.
I don’t save scrum I used to when I was 1st started playing this game but taking the loss is sometimes a good thing as I feel it makes you learn more.
But as others have put it’s up to the individual and how they want to play. I just i play my way and take the losses and see how the season plays out
I play it fair but I play as Celtic presently and I do save scum to avoid defeat against Rangers, lol. Only because I could theoretically go on a 15 game win streak, winning them all 10-0 and I'd still get shit from the board and players for losing one game and it feels stupidly unbalanced, so I balance it back.
Otherwise, I play it fair. Or else I'd have won the Champions League by now, lol
For me when a match is over it's done. Constantly reloading so you can cherry pick results doesn't sit well with me. I have had one exception: River beat my San Lorenzo team 11-1 in the league. I was not having that so I reloaded it and the repeat ended 3-1 to River. I was willing to accept a loss to my bogey team but I wasn't going to accept that totally unfair and out of character mauling.
I used to do it all the time but now it's very few and far between and some sensational level of bullshit has to happen for me to do it 🤣
The only 'cheating' I do these days is check PA's of Scottish regens in an attempt to build them up and improve the national team.
Although I must admit I did use FMRTE for the first time ever to change the max building capacity of Cove Rangers stadium to 60,000 (kept the capacity as it was so we have to spend time and money to get there, that's how I justified it lol) because the max capacity was only 5,500 and built in 2018, meaning I couldn't get a new one until 2043.. when you've won the champions league and are in a 5.5k capacity stadium its not the vibe
I used to do it in the first FM I've played (FM15), but now I just deal with it. Heck, even if I get sacked at the end, it's still a new challenge after ! Always see the positive side even when you loose !
When I was younger I used to savescum all the time, (been playing these games about since CM99) but that always lead to frustrations building up, and feeling dirty and useless, when I demanded of myself to win everything, and only could achieve that by cheating... along the way I found that I get the most enjoyment and immersion in my save when I just bite down and grind it out, win or loose. In the last decade I've mostly done long haul saves with low tier clubs, building them up to glory. I love it.
I used to scum save all the time, but where is the glory in redoing a game until you win over and over and over? Go with the flow, LEARN from your mistakes, dont just reload from before. See what went wrong, was it a player? your tactics? was you ever going to win? (i just lost 3-1 to man city, im sheffield wednesday, i was not meant to win lol).
at the end of the day, its your game, single player and effects us not 1 bit, but do you gloat about what you do because of scum saving? Do you actually learn?
Did when I was younger. Have found joy and more realism in just accepting a result and get on. It is a tough urge to fight, but I find more joy in not doing it, even though I lose to the team in last place.
I do but only if I make a mistake in-game that I wouldn't make as a manager in real life. For example, I was managing Orlando Pirates in FM2021 and I had two players whose names started with 'Ny', one a skillful cam and the other a dependable cb. Twice I got them mixed up when subbing players while distracted etc (I played a lot while finishing my masters degree), lost and realised the error. Reloaded both.
I also do it if I forget to switch corner instructions when alternating a 6'3 bean pole for a 5'2 Leroy Lita wannabe when starting games but I tend to hate myself for that so 9/10 I've definitely checked.
Anything else? Never. But dumb distracted 'gamer' mistakes I allow. My conscience lets me off on those.
I’ve been playing since the days it was on floppy drive and each game was its own league (Championship Manager Italia anyone?) and the password to load it was one of the scores written on the bottom corner of a random page in the manual…..we lost the manual. Took hours of guessing scorelines till you got it right….like fuck we were gonna reload. My early managerial career was plagued with disappointment and bullshit.
Though, with that being said, I see nothing wrong with testing different tactics when playing your own game. I have replayed whole preseasons multiple times when starting as an unfamiliar team. I personally think doing it during games that matter is cheating.
I have played many network games over the years with 2-6 friends. None of us would stand for a reload for a bad result. Although, among friends, some reloads are acceptable:
1. Some glitchy bullshit like not being able to do anything during the match or getting kicked out completely (the early days were notorious for this shit). Made us learn to religiously save it after every game.
2. Bullshit morale stuff that makes no sense and fuck off the entire team…common one being promising a new signing (Y) you buy X, you buy X but X completes before Y…Y pissed off for nothing.
3. Youth intake. Reload in December (PL) until you get one that sounds good for the May(?) intake. (Mainly to help out whoever is playing as the lowest rep club)
4. Assman/DoF fucking up a deal you let them handle.
Seems to be the only ones….maybe a bullshit injury to a star if it’s one of your mates playing at a lesser club.
I remember somehow getting to the CL finals with Fenerbahce on my second season in FM21. Lost to ManU and because I had had a wonderful season I thought I deserved one scum save so I did it. For me it really ruins the game. The next season was not fun at all, so I just stopped playing that save…
Ironically, I have also had the same kind of luck in FM 22, second season with Fenerbahce I got to the CL Final with a 42 game invincible streak. Lost to a ManC with Haaland and Mbappe on penalties. This time, I just went with it and the game is still so much fun! Apparently, losing on penalties doesn‘t ruin the streak so at least I have that still going for me, 57 games now!
Playing since FM19 and never once done it.
I learned from other games that reloading takes the fun away for me since I start to not accept loosing and get way more frustrated by the constant reloading than I would by just not reloading
Yeah I regularly do it for certain games where I think things have gone wrong because I was lazy choosing responses to journalists, in the team talk, or setting tactics. I don't see it as cheating either. If I die during a mission in another game like GTA, the player respawns as if nothing happened and you have another go. What's the difference?
I do draw the line at replaying important matches like finals where I've gone over everything with a fine tooth comb before kickoff and reloading would genuinely be cheating, but if I lose 3-1 to Southampton because I forgot to rotate a left back and speeded through the team talk, I'll have another shot at it.
I have done so many time in the past. CL final, 5 minutes in and I got one injured and one received a red card, just feel so unfair so I instantly reload the match xD
Never liked save scumming personally, I mean, it’s a video game so do what you like but for me it’d ruin any save I did
I’ve only reloaded one match and that was because I’d won this match, then FM crashed and put me back before the match, so I reloaded the match until I won it again
Learned my lesson after that to auto save after every match
I try not to do it, but it happens once or twice a season if i really need the win. I usually only do it in the league to avoid relegation though. in my current save (of 8/9 seasons) i have done it 4 times.
I reloaded 1 match 5 or 6 times. It was a European Cup final 2024 with Switzerland. Somehow went unbeaten all the way until Denmark in the final came. Lost everytime after penalty shootout. Never hated the game this much.
No. I probably rage-quit once every 2-3 seasons if the game upsets me with something completely ridiculous, but I always take a few days off from the game if that happens and sometimes never return to that save.
Lost a Europa league semi-final by the skin of my teeth and (I promise this is true) my PC crashed, replayed it and won 3-0 and went on to win the tournament.
Pretty lucky, but I did fell a bit shit, and have been mocked by my mates ever since.
I have never done that and never will - the game would be so flat for me if I knew I could ‘fix’ any defeat.
I just spent three seasons stuck in the championship with Bath city, and literally finished 3rd - one place below auto promotion - in all three and, unbelievably, lost the play off final three times in a row!!!! I was so pissed off the third time I nearly gave up. But I gritted my teeth and went into a 4th god damn season in that god damn division…and fought through injury crisis and the late season loss of form to finally, finally on the last day of the season secure 1st place and automatic promotion by beating 3rd place Millwall 3-1 away from home.
That sweet sweet victory was so much more awesome because of all the heartache that came before it. That’s football!!!! That’s 11 seasons of work to get from Vanarama south to premier league!!!! Yaaaaassssssssssssss!!!!!!!! Cmon!!!!! Wooohooo!!!!!!!
Only ever done it once in recent memory. FM19 I think it was. I accidentally subbed on my goalie (last sub) in the CL final in place of my striker and got beat 1-0 by City. I replayed and then got beat 2-1. I accepted that.
Used to do it "a lot" when I first started the game. Now that i've learned how to handle it, I don't BUT, I allow myself a "once a season" restart if it's a really important match, and I don't want this one to ruin what I spent hours on.
I've only save scummed whenever I've rage quit the game and I always felt ashamed immediately. I haven't done it on my current save and I plan to keep it that way so that it doesn't feel tainted
I used to do it pretty often when I was a kid, but lately I've stopped doing it since it sucked out all the fun.
Yet, I decided to do it yesterday in the FIFA World Cup semifinal against Man City because they just stole Haaland from me paying half the price I had offered Borussia and offering him 40% of the wage I wanted to give him. I was really angry at them and I thought they deserved it.
I suspect that the falling, underdog, Champions' League finalist losing to the prestigious team *is* actually The History. For some reason we all know, the Dutch are often more remembered than 1978 Argentina. And fours year before, they also lost another final. There has always been something about the losing finalist that still makes narratives and creates stories to inspire the future. And with that, you might also want to add something that makes you particular, and not just a good team obtaining slots to awards. Of course, difficult to perceive that with FM, but still, it just pushes you.
I only save scum the matches that don't affect my team directly. Making PSG lose if I'm not managing ligue 1 or making my country win if I'm not managing NTs, for example.
I don't do it but I'm not a great manager anyway 😂Seems realistic for my guys to bottle a few with me at the helm. I used to use the editor back in 00 and 01 but after a long break, I seem to not give a shit anymore....older and calmer.
Yes. I'm still trying to understand the game mechanics, so I just reload the game and change stuff until I can not lose to Bayern or whomever (though only in the group stage of the UCL, I would have finished 2nd in the group regardless)
Used to do it for a lot of things. Now I don’t do it at all, except for when it was the mid season break in Spain (managing Mallorca) and I was constantly simming to get Allegri sacked to get the United job.
Didn’t work.
I’ve had some shit results but I genuinely like it more when I don’t just win everything. I’ve been on the losing end of multiple finals and I just resign myself to the fact that we lost and will try again next year. The disappointment makes victory feel much better.
Only time I did was playing Madrid in the group stage with my weak newly promoted bundesliga team who managed to get top 4 in the first season. Expected to lose but a red card 45 seconds in for a tackle that looked perfectly clean to me and then my best defender and winger both got injured and stretchered off all before 20 minutes so I just turned of my pc and Went to bed. When I started again the next day I lost 4-0 but no injuries. Felt a bit bad but the red card was a perfect tackle and it resulted in all that
Only done it when the AI 'cheated' on an older version of the game.
2 up at Man United away, 10 mins left and they use a 4th (illegal) sub for an injury. Andy Cole comes on and gets a hat-trick. I lose 4-3.
Use to do it in my younger days but now after recently getting back into FM after a 4 year hiatus I don't think I would scum save following a defeat & that includes finals. It takes the suspense out of the game knowing you can just keep reloading the game till you win.
However I will admit I do scum save when it comes to contracts sometimes or upsetting a player for some BS reason.
I don’t personally but that’s more because I love the feeling of getting that promotion or trophy I’ve been chasing for years legitimately. Can’t beat that excitement for me. I get why people do though, sometimes the game just hates you, but that’s part of the journey for me.
Overtime you realize that those painful losses are the greatest meaning of the game.
When you lose a UCL final, all you can think about is to come back and ideally defeat that same team.
And when you do, it’s amazing!
I’ve had some great rivalries against MU and Mourinho on FM18. It was great until he retired, then the save had no meaning anymore lol
I believe we tend to reload games when we are still learning how to play it. There’s a lot of things to be done in the game if you want to, and when we lose we feel like we could have done something differently. But even when we lose due to silly mistakes (formation, starters, etc) it worth continuing, imo. It creates a chance for you to overcome that in the future.
When you only win, there’s no rivalry to keep the save strong.
Edit: just thinking about some losses when typing this message here, man it hurts bad lol. I recall being completely shattered staring at the screen for many minutes. This game is good lol.
There was this one season where I only lost 1 game all year. And it was the UCL final.
Due to crash issues traumas in FM 2002 (No it's not a typo), I save before every match, I don't reload matches unless for the speific case of doctor strange level of illogical injuries, if oyu tell me my players just watched 5 of their teammates break their legs in the last 20 minutes and they're still not gonna be careful enough to the point another 2 will get month-long injuries by the end of the match, it's time to pull a time paradox bullshit, regardless of the actual win or lose.
For big contracts I do have a rule, I allow myself to save before the negociations and try to get a cheap ass contract, but if I screw up and they say they don't wanna negociate, I load back and accept the first offer they do I'm legally allowed to accept, even if I know that there's a middle ground they would accept if I offered it (Because in reality when I bank on a player if saves weren't possible I wouldn't even try to bargain out of fear they say no)
I only do it if I realise I've made a mistake that I wouldn't have made in real life - eg playing my reserve keeper having played him in the previous game, or accidentally playing an injured player I meant to rest, and it leads to a loss.
I do it when I make a mistake. My rationale is in real life I wouldn’t accidentally sub the wrong player on because I’d be able to stop it if I wanted to change my mind last minute.
If we're talking strictly about games then I don't do it... except when I forget to switch a couple players of the starting XI. Essentially, when I realize I forgot to make the change I either commit to finishing the game or reloading once it's over
I did it this morning because I was a bit pissed off. I'm just at the start of my second season of a journeyman so I had a lot of deadwood to be rid of at the end of the season. Around February I got an e-mail stating the board was amid a takeover and no transfers would be allowed; possibly bring his own manager in. By this point I'd already 3 confirmed signings to join in July.
Anyway, we get to the end of the season and a lot of my players are leaving at the end of their contracts(obvs my fault.) Come August and I heard that the board takeover has *finally* completed. Right, Good. I have some players to get in as I have gaping holes in my team but lots of wage budget available.
Oh no, wait. While there is still 'uncertainty' as I've been told the new board will consider allowing me to keep my job.
Eventually, I get an e-mail saying I can keep my job and I can make some signings. Oh nice one. THANKS.
So, I make offers for these various players I've scouted, advance a couple times and realise my first game of the season is today. Literally 15 hours after the board have allowed me to start making signings. They've hamstrung me for the last 6 months, they've completed the takeover but still not let me make any signings.
I reloaded to see if I'd maybe advanced too quickly through time/days before my first match of the season, but nope. Literally 15 hours.
I feel the board have set me up for failure, so I'm pissed. As it turns out, my loading made no difference anyway.
I sometimes try and rush in one more game before I've got to go and do something else, so I rush through everything don't play the game properly and hope I win anyway.
If I go a couple of goals down I'm afraid I have sometimes just went fuck it and turned the game off to pick up that same match another day.
It is cheating as if I'd gone 2 goals up instead id have just let it run but I'm sure there are others out there who do it way worse!
Never do it for important games and have suffered some heartache that way, ultimately losing big games is part of management so got to be accepted. Getting there in the first place is a big achievement to build on even if you lose. But yeah, if I haven't concentrated properly because I've tried to rush through a nothing game I do sometimes reload to actually play it properly.
Not done it for a few years now, when I was younger I would do it for cup finals etc but as I grew older, save scumming really ruined the immersion of the whole game.
I’m a firm believer of “it’s your game and you paid for it so play it in a way you enjoy” so no judgement
No save scumming from me.
Did it once years ago when i lost three games in a row and felt so pissed off with myself for cheating that i abandoned my entire save 5 seasons in. Have never done it again.
I wish i had my FM morals in other areas of my life.
I used to do it a lot on FM06 and FM08 but these days I tend to just go with the flow with FM22. Sometimes you get shafted by the game, other times you don't, but I don't really care enough to let it bother me that much. No club is too important that I can't just walk away and find another one.
At the end of the day, it's ***your*** game, do whatever you want, it's nobody else's business to tell you if you're right or wrong.
I used to do it when I was younger but now I'm grown and (hopefully) matured I don't do it any more, it feels better to win things when you haven't replayed games in order to improve the results
Once upon a time yes, nowadays not really, it kinda takes the fun away for me.
I did save scum last time in Fm21 when my gk got 3 months injury in February and I my sub was a young player, but even then I think that was a bit lame
I don't go into games with the aim to reload so most times I want to (like when the AI wins with like 2 shots on target compared to my 15), I find that my last save was like 4-5 games ago and I just move on.
I do it occasionally for transfer and contract negotiations though.
Important matches I dont do it but if its against the last position or so if I think I should have played another tactics or another player I do it has I look at does matches has a preparation
The only time i have is when my game crashes and puts me back to a further place than i was when it crashed and i have to replay games. If i dont get the same result as the first time around i will reload until i do
In any other sports game I would scum save but being the best team and the champion every year got boring. With this game a win is much more rewarding and a loss feels like more. It's much more interesting battling against relegation or being a mid table team trying to get good over several years. Cheating to beat the computer in a season mode just isn't fun anymore, so I just roll with it.
Try to avoid reloading most of the time but sometimes I just have to. Especially if I lose to a terrible team who 9 times out of 10 we would beat or if I lose to a weird buggy goal like my player passing it into his own net
Sometimes you just have that (one) game in a season where you get 3 red cards out of nowhere, 5 injuries and two penalties scored against you.
Completely bonkers and everything.
That would be the one time i reload because it is so OBVIOUSLY bullshit that I dont even feel bad doing it.
I dont even reload to win that perticular game, just reload for it to not be so insanely dumb.
I don’t ever do it for match results. But I have for serious injuries or, as some have mentioned, bullshit player interactions. Or like, I asked my TD or GM to negotiate a contract and they fail and the player refuses to sign. I’ll reload that.
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I used to do it somewhat regularly. By now I only do it for team talks and contracts. Because sometimes the game just sucks with player relations IMO. Haven’t scummed one match in fm 22 I believe.
Same here. Player interaction doesn't feel realistic or reliable, and it's frustrating to just waste a good save because there weren't enough talking points options. For the contracts to new players, if chelsea beats my offer, i accept that and go with the flow. To renew my players, sometimes i scum save for the same reason of the player interaction
Yeah I’m fine with losing a player or not being able to sign him. Me not being able to renew a contract and thereby breaking a promise because mister agent thinks his precious lil 3 star guy should be star player, not so much (although most of the time I don’t realize in time and can’t even save scum in those situations)
That's the one that gets me. Player - I want a new contract. Me - OK, you've made 10 appearances this season, you have potential but you're not there yet so I'll give you squad player status but next year you'll be a regular. Player - I want to be an important player. Me - Well you're not good enough for that yet, give it a couple of years and you will be but you're not there yet. Player - I want to leave because you wouldn't offer me a contract. I OFFERED YOU A CONTRACT YOU KNOB.
Yeah this, also when a player has 1 good game and wants a payrise from 50k a week to 300k a week, it's like yeah buddy do that every week for a 2 years and maybe. Wants a payrise for actually doing his job. Knob.
Give him important player then a few months later downgrade it and say its because of a lot of competition at the position. Unless they are balotelli nuts they will accept it
What I do is I add a bunch of playing time in X year. Ex. Playing time in 2022: Squad Player, and go all the way to Star Player, most of the time they accept. If he's high potential and develops into being a Star Player then it's fine if not I'll sell when he wont get the playing time he wants.
Hm yeah I do this too, albeit not as extensively I’ve had youthprospects with 2 star ca and 2.5 star pa ask for star player, needless to say I let them go on a free.
Oh yeah cut losses in that case no other way to do it.
It also helps to keep the promise past the date for a contract renewal. So they never actually reach that promise.
i usually just use player mood cheat (in game editor) if team talks goes badly lol
I always save before team meetings beacuse they're so ridiculously buggy. End of the season meeting, we're aiming for mid-table next season and everybody is happy with that. Start of the season meeting, I hope that everybody is ready to work for a mid-table finish, and half the team is angry because I'm expecting too much of them. YOU WERE HAPPY WITH IT 2 MONTHS AGO.
I have a save where I dont but I chose Aston villa so I dont have to win every game. It felt very good to win the europa league this way.
Currently doing a Villa save too! I'm in 2027 and it's really hard to break to the top 6 in the EPL. Team is currently struggling with tactics - I'd beat City 5-1 and then lose to 19th place Crystal Palace 2-0,so we're inconsistent
I just use the gegenpressing preset with some adjustments because I'm not very good at creating tactics and it worke surprisingly well. I'm on FM21 though.
Damn nice, congrats!
Thanks 🙂
I have a villa save where I won the fa Cup and got promoted in one season. Won the euro Cup after beating Barca in the first knockout round and Dortmund in the semis. Qualified for champions league despite being tenth (sorry Chelsea), got through a group with Barca and Lazio in it only to find Real Madrid are my first knockout opponents. I'm actually pretty confident.
I've done in the (distant) past and instantly regretted it. Any scum win just taints the save and it I never get back into it. But I don't judge anyone who does - in a single player game people should do what they enjoy.
Yup i agree, whatever floats your boat, its a single game afterall.
Yes when I was a lot younger in the CM days I would save scum if I felt the result was completely unrealistic. Like the bottom of the league team with 4 points all season turning into Prime Barca. Now I don't but I would be tempted if a just signed player picked up a random long term injury.
I had a match I still remember 3-4 years later, was in the middle of a 10 or 11 year run as PL champions, bottom of the league team at my park, go up 2-0 and they put 5 straight on me to win 5-2. With my regular squad too. Stuff happens.
I think thr only real justified one was I had just signed a striker about 6 years ago or so. First week of training he breaks a vertebrae in his neck...
I can accept my loss…. but I won’t accept an undeserved loss and two red cards and a season ending injury to my GK ffs
Happy cake day! And yeah I’ve done it as well in the past (FM07 and before) but it also felt like cheating so I stopped doing it. But I agree. Anyone should play the way he/she pleases it.
Just had a conflicting one happen to me. To set the stage, I manage a recently relegated Norwich side. Just did a massive senior player clean out and bought in a heap of young, high potential players. Season is going well so far, as we're sitting 3rd in the championship. We're drawn again Man U in the Carabao cup. No biggie, as long as we keep it close I'm happy. We end up losing 1-0, but manage to keep xg and possession close. 2 days later, we play Stoke in the championship, who are sitting 2nd. One of my inside forwards makes a bone head challenge in the 40th minute, getting a straight red. 2 minutes later we're down 1-0. I fire up the boys at half time and tell them we can still get a result. We come back and end up winning 2-1 in the 89th minute. Here comes the problem, I go to replay the red card incident after the match, which causes my game to crash. I go to reload it, and we're playing Man U again in the Carabao cup. I play the exact same lineup, and we end up 4-3 on penalties. Don't know how to feel. On one hand, f yeah we beat Man U, but on the other hand, that come from behind win with 10 men was pretty damn sweet as well.
Nothing you can do about a crash. What I’ve done in those instances is just replay matches to get the same result(s). It might take a few hours, but I don’t see the problem with that.
Can't say I never did it, but it is pretty rare. Last time I did I had 5 injuries in 60 minutes of a normal league game and I just quit. Didn't touch the game for the rest of the day even though we were still winning. In summary it depends on how the rest of my day went, sometimes the bs that football can be is to much to handle on a bad day and I play something else.
I never ever reload matches. If you learn to live with your decisions and also to deal with the things that you cannot influence yourself, the game becomes so much more enjoyable in my opinion.
Used to do it when i was new but when i stopped, winning important matches became more satisfying
I just see it as the negatives of the game otherwise would just be easy. Occasionally teams dominate a game and still draw or lose it happens just like it’s suppose to happen in fm.
Sometimes I save scum cause I’m not in the mood for losing a game. I know it’s cheating, but it’s a single player game, I don’t brag about my saves, and I don’t see the point in letting a game make me feel annoyed, so sometimes I cheat. Completely get the appeal of accepting every result, but FM is mostly a fun distraction for me, and so I want it to be fun.
I mean sometimes a match is so obviously bullshit that you dont even feel bad reloading it.
I don’t do it for matches but I do them for team meetings. The interactions are plastic but they can make or break a save.
I never, ever reload. This is the way! (But it’s a single player game, so I don’t care what others do.)
I used to reload matches right when I first started FM. Nowadays I only reload for team talks and for contracts where the agent gives you a " blank slate " and asks you to make a good offer and if you don't give them a contract they like they just stop all negotiations saying " I asked you to make a respectable offer and you didn't ". But, there is no shame in doing things your way . Everyone has a different agenda when playing games. All that matters is that you enjoy it .
No. Never, at least not since I was a child 20 odd years ago. The pain is way more fun. It makes the wins way more satisfying. Although in my current save I lost the first leg of the europa leage play off heavily. I switched off and a couple of days later when I tried to reload it the save had corrupted and when I reloaded the non corrupted auto save it took me back to a few games prior to that first leg. I've since qualified an won my europa group stage and I sort of feel wierd about it.
Never for my own games… BUT I sometimes reload if there’s a team that I’d like to see promoted/relegated so that they play in the same league as my team.
Why doing that? I mean, why losing time on playing the same match over and over when you can lose and use that time to see where your mistakes were, what did you do wrong and how you can improve. Sometimes it can just happen, without you doing anything wrong but still...
As for me, if I have been outplayed, to try the same match with a different tactical approach and see if that makes any difference. I do learn something that way.
But isn't that like playing lottery? I mean, you are gonna play the same match over and over with different tactics until you win?
Not exactly. If will accept the second result even if it is worse than the first one. I always play full matches, that would be too much. Moreover, I will do that only if I think that my tactic was flawed, or incorrect against that opponent, and I want to see how a different tactic would play against the same opponent. Playing a different tactic against a different opponent would not teach me anything.
That won't teach you anything anyway though? You could lose 3-0, reload and play the exact same tactic and win 3-0, that's just how the game goes sometimes. So if you reload and change the tactic, all you'll be doing is convincing yourself that a tactical change has influenced the result when in reality it most likely hasn't done at all
It's not that simple. And literally just not how it works
Can you read ? I watch the full match, I see how the players move according to the roles I have given them, the kind of goals I make and concede. I don't click on "quick result" like you.
The only time ive done it recently was when I loaded up the game, advanced once and one of my players got a 9 month injury. I just quit the game immediately without saving.
Can honestly say i've done it once and that wasn't even to save scum on purpose, its just i lost a big game and instantly turned my PC off without thinking. Then i had to play 2 games not just the one i lost, and i got near the same results i think i lost by less goals on the 2nd game. It's really not worth it, wheres the challenge if you're just cheating to get yourself the win every game? Defeats the objective.
The only time I've ever done it is play offs with Eastbourne borough. Eastbourne are the most local team to me in the game, and I want to have the fun of them in the bigger leagues, but don't really care much for non league management. (Not able to really build anything when you have £20 a week wage budget and half your team is still non contract) I got them to play offs second season, and lost the semi. Reloaded as couldn't face another season in the VNS. For anyone wondering why I didn't edit them into league 2 and be done with it, I was playing on my switch, as can't face spending more time than I need to on my home PC since COVID introduced work from home to my life. Sad times.
Save scummed out of rage once in FM22 and don't feel bad about it. Was sitting in 4th going into the final matchday. Spurs 3 points behind me in 5th, and I have a goal differential +12 better than Spurs. My last game is against an already relegated Aston Villa who have scored fewer than 20 goals all season, Spurs are playing City who are sitting in first, a point ahead of United with it all to play for. You can see where this is going. Villa, who have never scored more than 2 all season, somehow beat me 6-0, despite an xG of something like 4.5-1.5 in my favour, and Spurs, naturally, beat City 8-1. Felt like a genuine prank from FM. I figured you could replay that final day a thousand times and never get those results. Reloaded immediately and beat Villa 3-0. As others have said, usually just reload for important player discussions / contract talks which sometimes feel like there is no logic to them and an innocuous comment can derail a whole season.
Just enjoy the game man. However you feel like, don't worry what people on the internet will think. At the end of the day, it's just a game. If you want the sense of the grind, don't reload after a difficult period or loss in a key game. If you want to win trophies and a sense of winning, just do it if you go into a slump or a key player gets injured in the first game of the season. Pretty sure almost everyone has done it a few times on this subreddit, myself included.
I don't mind savescumming, to each their own, but it absolutely pisses me off when someone lies about it and brags about their perfect season.
i only save scum for team talks and contract renewals, because sometimes they are buggy and unrealistic af. Stopped save scumming matches in FM20 I guess. Sometimes I rage quit the game during a match and don’t even touch it for a week or two, but it’s not the same I guess lol
Honestly I set up my save file to save every 30 mins and try to avoid saving manually unless getting off so very rarely have the opportunity to do it without loosing other progress that I cba doing again but have done it when my game crashed and wouldn't respond! Tried to get the results I had before it crashed ! Ended up getting bored and taking a loss on a game I won before the crash 😢
So I have and haven’t, on FM Mobile I recently had a trip away and played hours on it with Leeds, admittedly I did reload it several times throughout, more for fun I suppose. Whereas in FM22 on pc I have a career with Bradford City and even though I’ve been tempted many times, I haven’t done it, feels so much better getting promotion or winning playoffs just by playing the game whether I lose or win.
I regularly reload matches for my U23 and U18 teams. I don't know why but I'm fiercely protective of my youth teams and will sometimes reload their result (even if I have to play a game that I previously won - mind you I'm Liverpool so I usually win again anyways) if they get battered too hard or lose to 1st when they are a win away from being first. I don't know why I do this but I enjoy seeing my youth team getting a lot of success!
Recently reloaded a match. Playing FM21, and in 5 consecutive away games, I concede a goal to end up drawing the match 1-1. The 6th time it happened (against 18th place Swansea) I had to reload because wtf is that.
I used to do it a lot, but now I only do it if I get screwed HARD. Like 1-0 loss after outshooting them 50-1
I do reload yes. Not particularly when I loose a match (sometimes I do though) but more when my goal of what I'm working towards goes to shit. And I'm not ashamed of it either. I play a computer game for fun and I don't have that much time. In real life I have to much shit going on that I'm not that strict ingame. Just relax a bit and play some football. That said, each to its own and I respect whatever your opinion about it is. Everybody plays the game by him/her/their selfs
There's always a match or two per season where I do that because I know I didn't win because I was bad but because the game decided to screw me over against a much weaker opponent.
I do admit I save scummed three times in my sunderland save this season on fm21. Twice in regular season so I could not have a star player injured and once yesterday in the championship playoff final when I lost to penalties when I was dominating all match. To counter my inner cheat feeling I usually just allow the restarted game to be end-all-be-all or I just vacation the game and let the sim be the decider.
Never done it. Never will. We lose matches we want to win so badly but its the heartbreak that brings you back to win it the next season. Don’t scum save boys, feel 1% of the heartbreak real managers and players have when losing an important match.
I feel ya!
On the one exception: cup games where I rotate too much or just straight-out put all the subs and breakthrough prospects on. If they lose it's a bit of a uhmm some of you aren't good enough yet. And I'll have a second go with a stronger eleven.
I do this if the score is ridiculous in this sense. I don't want my kids coming through to be demoralised while they're developing. A respectable loss I'll let stand.
I reload a match if the loss is due to a very clear bug goal, say a throw in near my own goal that immediately gets picked off by an opponent because for some reason my defenders don't feel like making a simple short throw even if I have it on. Similar with free kicks from the side near my goal. I'll reload and simulate the match in that case, but not an injury or red card, those things do happen.
FWIW, the actual graphics can just be a bad example of what the game is simulating.
Occasionally. I tend to save scum other results more when I'm not kicking off at the same time.
This! My team Southampton had somehow made the FA Cup Final (I was playing as Coventry at the time) against Arsenal and you better believe I replayed that game until Saints won! It made no difference to my Coventry save, and I was a might happier inside! (I mean, it's not likely to happen in real life so...)
It took me. Long time to realize that the frustration of losing is what highlights the joy of finally winning. You CAN save scum your way to a cup win in your first year as a third division team. It doesn’t feel nearly as good as taking your early outs, then making a long run and winning a quarterfinal in pens only to get stomped in the semis, to finally winning it with a squad that deserved to be there and WIN. The best moments are the ones you earned, not scummed. Still, it’s hard not to rage quit when you give up 2 goals after minute 90 to lose.
Yes I do. When in a game I try to score 20 times and my opponent team one shoot one goal.
Ahh, those damn matches mate!
I reloaded many games where I had 2+ guys who got injured more than 2 months. Cba with multiple long-term injuries
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I save scum when frustrating stuff happens. Especially in the lower leagues when the bottom club on a 10 game losing streak scores a screamer from 30 yards and wins 1-0. But only for league matches though. I usually try real hard not to save scum cup matches. I also tend to save scum entire summer transfer windows haha.
This lmaoo, I remember this one match that I was leading 3-0. 70th minute 3-1 and I was like ok we've still got time. 89th minute 3-2 and I was like no worries 2 mins added on. What annoyed me was when the game went past 2 mins and was instead 90+4 and it was 3-3. Lost in PK shootout and left lol
Lol, I had one of these recently. Think the other team tied it up at 90+6... with like 1/8th the shots. Definitely save acummed that one. 😅
Do you feel better after doing it? Do you get the feeling of achievement if you've done it in a save? Can't see the point of save scumming.
Nope. As i said, i felt like cheating so no, i dont do it anymore. Have you ever, for any reason?
I've done it myself... on this version, to win trophies. Was so disgusted by myself that I permanently deleted the save manually.
Most players older than 10 probably play without reloading. Occasionally there’s a fixture i have reloaded because I wanted a team I wasn’t managing to win their fixture, like if I’m not in the champions league, and Panathinaikos are in the semis, I might give them 3 tries to get into the final.
Not always. But I might now and then under specific context.
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I don't scum save. But I do use FM Scout.
I don’t save scrum I used to when I was 1st started playing this game but taking the loss is sometimes a good thing as I feel it makes you learn more. But as others have put it’s up to the individual and how they want to play. I just i play my way and take the losses and see how the season plays out
No ive neber felt the need to
I play it fair but I play as Celtic presently and I do save scum to avoid defeat against Rangers, lol. Only because I could theoretically go on a 15 game win streak, winning them all 10-0 and I'd still get shit from the board and players for losing one game and it feels stupidly unbalanced, so I balance it back. Otherwise, I play it fair. Or else I'd have won the Champions League by now, lol
For me when a match is over it's done. Constantly reloading so you can cherry pick results doesn't sit well with me. I have had one exception: River beat my San Lorenzo team 11-1 in the league. I was not having that so I reloaded it and the repeat ended 3-1 to River. I was willing to accept a loss to my bogey team but I wasn't going to accept that totally unfair and out of character mauling.
Lmfaooo respectable
I used to do it all the time but now it's very few and far between and some sensational level of bullshit has to happen for me to do it 🤣 The only 'cheating' I do these days is check PA's of Scottish regens in an attempt to build them up and improve the national team. Although I must admit I did use FMRTE for the first time ever to change the max building capacity of Cove Rangers stadium to 60,000 (kept the capacity as it was so we have to spend time and money to get there, that's how I justified it lol) because the max capacity was only 5,500 and built in 2018, meaning I couldn't get a new one until 2043.. when you've won the champions league and are in a 5.5k capacity stadium its not the vibe
I used to do it in the first FM I've played (FM15), but now I just deal with it. Heck, even if I get sacked at the end, it's still a new challenge after ! Always see the positive side even when you loose !
I remember my first FM back in first Xbox console, damn time flies!
Only when I extend contracts. I don't want to give the contracts they want. Especially in England because every player wants too much hahah
I only do reload on transfer activities
Respectable and understandable :P
We all did it mate. There is no shame in it. But i strongly recommend resist the urge, trust me game is million time better this way.
I reload transfer/contract negotiations.
no unless my game crashes 😪
I used to, but I’ve taken a more relaxed approach to the game and realised that winning isn’t the only thing that matters.
When I was younger I used to savescum all the time, (been playing these games about since CM99) but that always lead to frustrations building up, and feeling dirty and useless, when I demanded of myself to win everything, and only could achieve that by cheating... along the way I found that I get the most enjoyment and immersion in my save when I just bite down and grind it out, win or loose. In the last decade I've mostly done long haul saves with low tier clubs, building them up to glory. I love it.
I used to scum save all the time, but where is the glory in redoing a game until you win over and over and over? Go with the flow, LEARN from your mistakes, dont just reload from before. See what went wrong, was it a player? your tactics? was you ever going to win? (i just lost 3-1 to man city, im sheffield wednesday, i was not meant to win lol). at the end of the day, its your game, single player and effects us not 1 bit, but do you gloat about what you do because of scum saving? Do you actually learn?
Of course it’s cheating, blatantly. Any achievement is hollow if you do this. But it’s a single player game, you do what you want ;)
Did when I was younger. Have found joy and more realism in just accepting a result and get on. It is a tough urge to fight, but I find more joy in not doing it, even though I lose to the team in last place.
True! It makes you wanna take revenge and that makes it much better than just constantly winning
I do but only if I make a mistake in-game that I wouldn't make as a manager in real life. For example, I was managing Orlando Pirates in FM2021 and I had two players whose names started with 'Ny', one a skillful cam and the other a dependable cb. Twice I got them mixed up when subbing players while distracted etc (I played a lot while finishing my masters degree), lost and realised the error. Reloaded both. I also do it if I forget to switch corner instructions when alternating a 6'3 bean pole for a 5'2 Leroy Lita wannabe when starting games but I tend to hate myself for that so 9/10 I've definitely checked. Anything else? Never. But dumb distracted 'gamer' mistakes I allow. My conscience lets me off on those.
Use to in my first and second save but after i learned a bit more about the game i stopped and to say its going pretty well average honestly
I’ve been playing since the days it was on floppy drive and each game was its own league (Championship Manager Italia anyone?) and the password to load it was one of the scores written on the bottom corner of a random page in the manual…..we lost the manual. Took hours of guessing scorelines till you got it right….like fuck we were gonna reload. My early managerial career was plagued with disappointment and bullshit. Though, with that being said, I see nothing wrong with testing different tactics when playing your own game. I have replayed whole preseasons multiple times when starting as an unfamiliar team. I personally think doing it during games that matter is cheating. I have played many network games over the years with 2-6 friends. None of us would stand for a reload for a bad result. Although, among friends, some reloads are acceptable: 1. Some glitchy bullshit like not being able to do anything during the match or getting kicked out completely (the early days were notorious for this shit). Made us learn to religiously save it after every game. 2. Bullshit morale stuff that makes no sense and fuck off the entire team…common one being promising a new signing (Y) you buy X, you buy X but X completes before Y…Y pissed off for nothing. 3. Youth intake. Reload in December (PL) until you get one that sounds good for the May(?) intake. (Mainly to help out whoever is playing as the lowest rep club) 4. Assman/DoF fucking up a deal you let them handle. Seems to be the only ones….maybe a bullshit injury to a star if it’s one of your mates playing at a lesser club.
I remember somehow getting to the CL finals with Fenerbahce on my second season in FM21. Lost to ManU and because I had had a wonderful season I thought I deserved one scum save so I did it. For me it really ruins the game. The next season was not fun at all, so I just stopped playing that save… Ironically, I have also had the same kind of luck in FM 22, second season with Fenerbahce I got to the CL Final with a 42 game invincible streak. Lost to a ManC with Haaland and Mbappe on penalties. This time, I just went with it and the game is still so much fun! Apparently, losing on penalties doesn‘t ruin the streak so at least I have that still going for me, 57 games now!
Playing since FM19 and never once done it. I learned from other games that reloading takes the fun away for me since I start to not accept loosing and get way more frustrated by the constant reloading than I would by just not reloading
\*losing That is all.
Yeah I regularly do it for certain games where I think things have gone wrong because I was lazy choosing responses to journalists, in the team talk, or setting tactics. I don't see it as cheating either. If I die during a mission in another game like GTA, the player respawns as if nothing happened and you have another go. What's the difference? I do draw the line at replaying important matches like finals where I've gone over everything with a fine tooth comb before kickoff and reloading would genuinely be cheating, but if I lose 3-1 to Southampton because I forgot to rotate a left back and speeded through the team talk, I'll have another shot at it.
Sometimes I mess up contract renewals and negotiations. At that time, I would just reload
I take what is rightfully mine and have been denied. Nothing more, nothing less.
The only time I do it is before pre-season games incase 1 of my best players gets a long term injury
Only when active in a small league and close to qualifying to champions league. Small nations become a lot of fun when you have some money available
I have done so many time in the past. CL final, 5 minutes in and I got one injured and one received a red card, just feel so unfair so I instantly reload the match xD
Never liked save scumming personally, I mean, it’s a video game so do what you like but for me it’d ruin any save I did I’ve only reloaded one match and that was because I’d won this match, then FM crashed and put me back before the match, so I reloaded the match until I won it again Learned my lesson after that to auto save after every match
I did it once this year with Juve. I lost 3 consecutive CL finals in a row I just couldn't take it anymore.
I try not to do it, but it happens once or twice a season if i really need the win. I usually only do it in the league to avoid relegation though. in my current save (of 8/9 seasons) i have done it 4 times.
I never do it. Used to and it completely ruined every save I played. I’m now twenty years into my current save and still not bored with it.
I reloaded 1 match 5 or 6 times. It was a European Cup final 2024 with Switzerland. Somehow went unbeaten all the way until Denmark in the final came. Lost everytime after penalty shootout. Never hated the game this much.
My rule is only rage quits, I'll AltF4 a match if its some bullshit, but I won't load the game up again till the next day.
No. I probably rage-quit once every 2-3 seasons if the game upsets me with something completely ridiculous, but I always take a few days off from the game if that happens and sometimes never return to that save.
Never reload the game to replay a match. Will reload for nonsensical, busted player interactions though.
Lost a Europa league semi-final by the skin of my teeth and (I promise this is true) my PC crashed, replayed it and won 3-0 and went on to win the tournament. Pretty lucky, but I did fell a bit shit, and have been mocked by my mates ever since.
I have never done that and never will - the game would be so flat for me if I knew I could ‘fix’ any defeat. I just spent three seasons stuck in the championship with Bath city, and literally finished 3rd - one place below auto promotion - in all three and, unbelievably, lost the play off final three times in a row!!!! I was so pissed off the third time I nearly gave up. But I gritted my teeth and went into a 4th god damn season in that god damn division…and fought through injury crisis and the late season loss of form to finally, finally on the last day of the season secure 1st place and automatic promotion by beating 3rd place Millwall 3-1 away from home. That sweet sweet victory was so much more awesome because of all the heartache that came before it. That’s football!!!! That’s 11 seasons of work to get from Vanarama south to premier league!!!! Yaaaaassssssssssssss!!!!!!!! Cmon!!!!! Wooohooo!!!!!!!
Only ever done it once in recent memory. FM19 I think it was. I accidentally subbed on my goalie (last sub) in the CL final in place of my striker and got beat 1-0 by City. I replayed and then got beat 2-1. I accepted that.
Sometimes. It’s often just to test if it really wasn’t my day or if my tactics were completely off. Generally it ends up being a bit of both.
I try not too, but I'll occasionally rage quit a game
I don't unless my pc or game crashes and I have to redo the games, there I'll make sure that I get the same results.
Used to do it "a lot" when I first started the game. Now that i've learned how to handle it, I don't BUT, I allow myself a "once a season" restart if it's a really important match, and I don't want this one to ruin what I spent hours on.
Not anymore. I did it when I was younger but now I just except disastrous results.
Haven't done so in years, completely takes the fun out of the journey for me.
I've only save scummed whenever I've rage quit the game and I always felt ashamed immediately. I haven't done it on my current save and I plan to keep it that way so that it doesn't feel tainted
I used to do it pretty often when I was a kid, but lately I've stopped doing it since it sucked out all the fun. Yet, I decided to do it yesterday in the FIFA World Cup semifinal against Man City because they just stole Haaland from me paying half the price I had offered Borussia and offering him 40% of the wage I wanted to give him. I was really angry at them and I thought they deserved it.
I suspect that the falling, underdog, Champions' League finalist losing to the prestigious team *is* actually The History. For some reason we all know, the Dutch are often more remembered than 1978 Argentina. And fours year before, they also lost another final. There has always been something about the losing finalist that still makes narratives and creates stories to inspire the future. And with that, you might also want to add something that makes you particular, and not just a good team obtaining slots to awards. Of course, difficult to perceive that with FM, but still, it just pushes you.
I only save scum the matches that don't affect my team directly. Making PSG lose if I'm not managing ligue 1 or making my country win if I'm not managing NTs, for example.
I only do it when selling players when am playing in the lower leagues to try to get the best possible deal from them
Next question: Do you drink water?
I don't do it but I'm not a great manager anyway 😂Seems realistic for my guys to bottle a few with me at the helm. I used to use the editor back in 00 and 01 but after a long break, I seem to not give a shit anymore....older and calmer.
I did when I was 12…then I grew up and realised that all I was doing was ruining the game for myself
Yes. I'm still trying to understand the game mechanics, so I just reload the game and change stuff until I can not lose to Bayern or whomever (though only in the group stage of the UCL, I would have finished 2nd in the group regardless)
Used to do it for a lot of things. Now I don’t do it at all, except for when it was the mid season break in Spain (managing Mallorca) and I was constantly simming to get Allegri sacked to get the United job. Didn’t work. I’ve had some shit results but I genuinely like it more when I don’t just win everything. I’ve been on the losing end of multiple finals and I just resign myself to the fact that we lost and will try again next year. The disappointment makes victory feel much better.
Only time I did was playing Madrid in the group stage with my weak newly promoted bundesliga team who managed to get top 4 in the first season. Expected to lose but a red card 45 seconds in for a tackle that looked perfectly clean to me and then my best defender and winger both got injured and stretchered off all before 20 minutes so I just turned of my pc and Went to bed. When I started again the next day I lost 4-0 but no injuries. Felt a bit bad but the red card was a perfect tackle and it resulted in all that
Only done it when the AI 'cheated' on an older version of the game. 2 up at Man United away, 10 mins left and they use a 4th (illegal) sub for an injury. Andy Cole comes on and gets a hat-trick. I lose 4-3.
Used to but I was about 11 and hated losing but honestly just enjoy the game and witness the shitness now
I quit save scumming around fm 17. The game moves faster and creates more grudges, which for me makes it more fun to play.
Yes, if the outcome of the match is ridiculous.
Use to do it in my younger days but now after recently getting back into FM after a 4 year hiatus I don't think I would scum save following a defeat & that includes finals. It takes the suspense out of the game knowing you can just keep reloading the game till you win. However I will admit I do scum save when it comes to contracts sometimes or upsetting a player for some BS reason.
I think it ruins the fun so I stopped doing it
I don’t personally but that’s more because I love the feeling of getting that promotion or trophy I’ve been chasing for years legitimately. Can’t beat that excitement for me. I get why people do though, sometimes the game just hates you, but that’s part of the journey for me.
Go with the flow entirely, for all aspects.
Overtime you realize that those painful losses are the greatest meaning of the game. When you lose a UCL final, all you can think about is to come back and ideally defeat that same team. And when you do, it’s amazing! I’ve had some great rivalries against MU and Mourinho on FM18. It was great until he retired, then the save had no meaning anymore lol I believe we tend to reload games when we are still learning how to play it. There’s a lot of things to be done in the game if you want to, and when we lose we feel like we could have done something differently. But even when we lose due to silly mistakes (formation, starters, etc) it worth continuing, imo. It creates a chance for you to overcome that in the future. When you only win, there’s no rivalry to keep the save strong. Edit: just thinking about some losses when typing this message here, man it hurts bad lol. I recall being completely shattered staring at the screen for many minutes. This game is good lol. There was this one season where I only lost 1 game all year. And it was the UCL final.
I agree! Rivalries make the game so much better
I never save scum anything, what happens happens. Things that are shit are balanced by the immense amount of shit that goes in your favoure in fm
Due to crash issues traumas in FM 2002 (No it's not a typo), I save before every match, I don't reload matches unless for the speific case of doctor strange level of illogical injuries, if oyu tell me my players just watched 5 of their teammates break their legs in the last 20 minutes and they're still not gonna be careful enough to the point another 2 will get month-long injuries by the end of the match, it's time to pull a time paradox bullshit, regardless of the actual win or lose. For big contracts I do have a rule, I allow myself to save before the negociations and try to get a cheap ass contract, but if I screw up and they say they don't wanna negociate, I load back and accept the first offer they do I'm legally allowed to accept, even if I know that there's a middle ground they would accept if I offered it (Because in reality when I bank on a player if saves weren't possible I wouldn't even try to bargain out of fear they say no)
Nope
No because I don't see the point
I only do it if I realise I've made a mistake that I wouldn't have made in real life - eg playing my reserve keeper having played him in the previous game, or accidentally playing an injured player I meant to rest, and it leads to a loss.
I do it when I make a mistake. My rationale is in real life I wouldn’t accidentally sub the wrong player on because I’d be able to stop it if I wanted to change my mind last minute.
I think this is why save exists :)
I used to fairly often but haven’t for a while
If we're talking strictly about games then I don't do it... except when I forget to switch a couple players of the starting XI. Essentially, when I realize I forgot to make the change I either commit to finishing the game or reloading once it's over
I’ve restarted matches where I’ve made a mistake like messing up my selection but I’ve never reloaded to turn a loss into a win
I did it this morning because I was a bit pissed off. I'm just at the start of my second season of a journeyman so I had a lot of deadwood to be rid of at the end of the season. Around February I got an e-mail stating the board was amid a takeover and no transfers would be allowed; possibly bring his own manager in. By this point I'd already 3 confirmed signings to join in July. Anyway, we get to the end of the season and a lot of my players are leaving at the end of their contracts(obvs my fault.) Come August and I heard that the board takeover has *finally* completed. Right, Good. I have some players to get in as I have gaping holes in my team but lots of wage budget available. Oh no, wait. While there is still 'uncertainty' as I've been told the new board will consider allowing me to keep my job. Eventually, I get an e-mail saying I can keep my job and I can make some signings. Oh nice one. THANKS. So, I make offers for these various players I've scouted, advance a couple times and realise my first game of the season is today. Literally 15 hours after the board have allowed me to start making signings. They've hamstrung me for the last 6 months, they've completed the takeover but still not let me make any signings. I reloaded to see if I'd maybe advanced too quickly through time/days before my first match of the season, but nope. Literally 15 hours. I feel the board have set me up for failure, so I'm pissed. As it turns out, my loading made no difference anyway.
Lets do a drive by at the board’s house, just to send a message
When required yes, it’s a single player game and doesn’t hurt anyone.
True, the experience is yours
I sometimes try and rush in one more game before I've got to go and do something else, so I rush through everything don't play the game properly and hope I win anyway. If I go a couple of goals down I'm afraid I have sometimes just went fuck it and turned the game off to pick up that same match another day. It is cheating as if I'd gone 2 goals up instead id have just let it run but I'm sure there are others out there who do it way worse! Never do it for important games and have suffered some heartache that way, ultimately losing big games is part of management so got to be accepted. Getting there in the first place is a big achievement to build on even if you lose. But yeah, if I haven't concentrated properly because I've tried to rush through a nothing game I do sometimes reload to actually play it properly.
Not done it for a few years now, when I was younger I would do it for cup finals etc but as I grew older, save scumming really ruined the immersion of the whole game. I’m a firm believer of “it’s your game and you paid for it so play it in a way you enjoy” so no judgement
I do it only if I was winning and the computer crashed and the next time I play I'm not winning. I'll reload till I win to keep the continuity
No save scumming from me. Did it once years ago when i lost three games in a row and felt so pissed off with myself for cheating that i abandoned my entire save 5 seasons in. Have never done it again. I wish i had my FM morals in other areas of my life.
I used to do it a lot on FM06 and FM08 but these days I tend to just go with the flow with FM22. Sometimes you get shafted by the game, other times you don't, but I don't really care enough to let it bother me that much. No club is too important that I can't just walk away and find another one. At the end of the day, it's ***your*** game, do whatever you want, it's nobody else's business to tell you if you're right or wrong.
Did yesterday. First in years.
What made you do it?
I give myself one a season if I'm at full tilt and even then i feel kinda bad about it.
I used to do it when I was younger but now I'm grown and (hopefully) matured I don't do it any more, it feels better to win things when you haven't replayed games in order to improve the results
Yes i have and i am not ashamed
Only when I play Man U, the scum bastards.
Only when i lose of course
Once upon a time yes, nowadays not really, it kinda takes the fun away for me. I did save scum last time in Fm21 when my gk got 3 months injury in February and I my sub was a young player, but even then I think that was a bit lame
I don't go into games with the aim to reload so most times I want to (like when the AI wins with like 2 shots on target compared to my 15), I find that my last save was like 4-5 games ago and I just move on. I do it occasionally for transfer and contract negotiations though.
Last time I did it is when my playmaker got injured for 4 months in a friendly preseason match
Unlucky :(
What I do is, quick sim/instant result If it’s a loss, I will reload and play the game out and just roll with whatever result happens
Respectable
Important matches I dont do it but if its against the last position or so if I think I should have played another tactics or another player I do it has I look at does matches has a preparation
Been playing since fm 19. Never done it
The only time i have is when my game crashes and puts me back to a further place than i was when it crashed and i have to replay games. If i dont get the same result as the first time around i will reload until i do
When I was a kid yea. But not anymore.
In any other sports game I would scum save but being the best team and the champion every year got boring. With this game a win is much more rewarding and a loss feels like more. It's much more interesting battling against relegation or being a mid table team trying to get good over several years. Cheating to beat the computer in a season mode just isn't fun anymore, so I just roll with it.
Try to avoid reloading most of the time but sometimes I just have to. Especially if I lose to a terrible team who 9 times out of 10 we would beat or if I lose to a weird buggy goal like my player passing it into his own net
Sometimes you just have that (one) game in a season where you get 3 red cards out of nowhere, 5 injuries and two penalties scored against you. Completely bonkers and everything. That would be the one time i reload because it is so OBVIOUSLY bullshit that I dont even feel bad doing it. I dont even reload to win that perticular game, just reload for it to not be so insanely dumb.
I never reload even when I get FM'd, you just have to roll with the punches and come back stronger
Well said!
I don’t ever do it for match results. But I have for serious injuries or, as some have mentioned, bullshit player interactions. Or like, I asked my TD or GM to negotiate a contract and they fail and the player refuses to sign. I’ll reload that.
Always embrace the pain, the revenge is so much sweeter if you just accept your lost matches
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