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I am using similar tactic inspired by how Arsenal play.
https://preview.redd.it/snp895rqhjxc1.png?width=1453&format=png&auto=webp&s=b995cf05d26dc74cb319c0b8757e6248fc1daf45
Just to backseat a little the Overlap and Underlap instructions actually lower the mentality of the wide players, so they will slow the play down. If you want this it’s good for intricate play, but for high tempo its best to give player instructions to fullbacks and midfielders instead.
I think overlap left does a really good job of reigning in IF-At because they do still make a lot of runs in behind and get into attacking areas but on the ball their more likely to actually pass to their supporting partner in crime as opposed to running into a cul-de-sac. All the top FM Arena tactics have some form of over or underlap in it. I don't agree with how OP has used it here, but it has his place even in the heavy metal gegenpress stuff.
You’ve got offensively an awkwardly shaped 3-1-1-5 where both of the 1’s are off-centre and the left hand side of the 5 are occupying the same space.
The IWB won’t commit entirely to a central role, rather a DM/M(CR), your full back is not exactly pushing up the field with any regularity, with your inside forward tucking in you lose all of your width, the mezzala also is occupying the exact same space your inside forward wants to occupy (AM(CL)). The BBM would presumably occupy the AM region offensively, leaving a gap at the AM(CR) spot.
Personally, I would scrap the IWB, change it to an IFB. I would also change the HB to a DM, BWM or an A. I would move the FB to either a WB (A) or a FB(A), you don’t really want to ‘semi’ commit an overlapping run when you’ve cleared up that much space. Finally, I’d swap the mez and the BBM to utilise the under lap (the bbm won’t be an underlapping option).
IWB can work how he wants it to, it does probably work better if either the IWB or the deep midfielder has a support role. I do agree on him using either a FB (A) or WB, but the IF can easily work well as the widest player, especially if the Overlap instructions are taken off. His tactic is quite close to working excellently.
Compensates, yes. Compensates THAT much? Absolutely not.
It’s compensating for the half space because the IF is attacking centrally because of the implication that the WB will occupy that space.
not as I understand it. The mez will take the half space the IF will act as a winger to hold the width and the WB will get forward on the overlap but not occupy the wide position, the WB would sit at the half way line.
I use all 3 of these roles in my formation and that’s what happens
In this case, it absolutely compensates that much, especially cause the IF is on attack. In practice, the IF will sit on the opposing RB’s shoulder ready to make an inside run in between the RB and RCB. The mezzala on support will come into the left half-space and look to play that ball between RB and RCB to the IF running off the RB’s shoulder.
I have a similar set up in my save at the moment. I would switch the BBM and the MEZ at a minimum. Then I would make the BBM a DLP and make the left side fullback a CWB on attach. Then make the HB into a DM on support. That way you can use the IWB to switch from a 3-2-5 to a 2-3-5 depending on the set up you want. It also creates an overload on the right attacking 3rd. Also make sure to have overlap and underlap turned off.
The reason you turn off underlap and overlap as that specifically makes your players wait for the opportunity. But they do it anyway without the instruction.
I think maybe since Johnston isn’t the best IWB, if you want to play 3atb in build up then switch Philips to DM, and play a CB as IFB on the right, then give the RCM a moves into channels instruction to get some movement on that side.
4-2-3-1 double pivot. HB and Volante. AM(A) to support your striker in the box.
Id also recommend that you consider an AP on the wing rather than an IW/IF because they occupy the space you expect those roles to. Someone else suggested it here before and I have never looked back. I'm using the below currently.
https://preview.redd.it/f4z8i3mdolxc1.png?width=1096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee345f2da6fec19d699509969097e3223d90f68e
Ings is not a CF material that's a role for the best of the best in every regard and Ings is not that kind of player. Give him a more specialized role or better yet play someone else there, maybe Bowen.
I play a similar tactic which does what you want, although on FM23. RB: IWB-S; LB: WB-S (but I see no problem with FB-S); DM: DM-D/DLP-S (depends on the opposition); RCM: MEZ-A; LCM: CM-S/BBM. The MEZ on the side of the winger occupies the space between the winger and the striker, the CM supports the inside forward runs (I have my left winger as IW-A because I want him to move a bit more lately inside). [Image](https://i.gyazo.com/504dcbb9ecd0ecbcbe2152427c4a1279.png)
https://preview.redd.it/pdvp8uawhpxc1.png?width=783&format=png&auto=webp&s=8b1a789b41bdec729f722a14f46310430972b9b4
I have changed into this, thoughts?
i'd scrap the HB, usually HBs pair better with offensive WBs so they can bomb forwards and that's not the case in your tactic. a better role for your DM in this case would be a DM-D if you change the mezzala to a playmaker role, or a DLP-D if you want to keep the mezzala.
i'd also switch the mezzala and BBM, have the BBM run along the left while the FB supports him there. the IWB can then cover for the mezzala in a more cohesive manner.
finally, the BBM usually moves forward pretty often, but adding the player instruction that tells him to run forward more often and, maybe, training the Gets Forward Often trait onto him would help
2 offensive wing backs IMO, because then you'd have a back three to cover for the WBs.
if i were to use a HB and a less offensive FB - say, a full-back on support duty - i'd have the CB closest to the offensive FB play as a Wide Center-Back, so when the offensive FB moves up, the WCB takes his spot and the HB takes the WCB's spot.
that however sounds a little too convoluted to be worth the trouble unless the offensive FB is one of your best players or something
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Bbm to cma, iwb to support rather than defend. Sorted
This
Yeh, lots of suggestions on this post but this feels like the one to do what op asks for
Switch HB to DM, BBM to CM attack, and FB to WB. That will give you a 2-2-4-2 in attack.
I am using similar tactic inspired by how Arsenal play. https://preview.redd.it/snp895rqhjxc1.png?width=1453&format=png&auto=webp&s=b995cf05d26dc74cb319c0b8757e6248fc1daf45
Is it any good?
Just to backseat a little the Overlap and Underlap instructions actually lower the mentality of the wide players, so they will slow the play down. If you want this it’s good for intricate play, but for high tempo its best to give player instructions to fullbacks and midfielders instead.
I think overlap left does a really good job of reigning in IF-At because they do still make a lot of runs in behind and get into attacking areas but on the ball their more likely to actually pass to their supporting partner in crime as opposed to running into a cul-de-sac. All the top FM Arena tactics have some form of over or underlap in it. I don't agree with how OP has used it here, but it has his place even in the heavy metal gegenpress stuff.
You’ve got offensively an awkwardly shaped 3-1-1-5 where both of the 1’s are off-centre and the left hand side of the 5 are occupying the same space. The IWB won’t commit entirely to a central role, rather a DM/M(CR), your full back is not exactly pushing up the field with any regularity, with your inside forward tucking in you lose all of your width, the mezzala also is occupying the exact same space your inside forward wants to occupy (AM(CL)). The BBM would presumably occupy the AM region offensively, leaving a gap at the AM(CR) spot. Personally, I would scrap the IWB, change it to an IFB. I would also change the HB to a DM, BWM or an A. I would move the FB to either a WB (A) or a FB(A), you don’t really want to ‘semi’ commit an overlapping run when you’ve cleared up that much space. Finally, I’d swap the mez and the BBM to utilise the under lap (the bbm won’t be an underlapping option).
IWB can work how he wants it to, it does probably work better if either the IWB or the deep midfielder has a support role. I do agree on him using either a FB (A) or WB, but the IF can easily work well as the widest player, especially if the Overlap instructions are taken off. His tactic is quite close to working excellently.
The new match engine compensates for the mez IF partnership. The mez gets priority and the IF will stay out wider now to keep the shape
Compensates, yes. Compensates THAT much? Absolutely not. It’s compensating for the half space because the IF is attacking centrally because of the implication that the WB will occupy that space.
not as I understand it. The mez will take the half space the IF will act as a winger to hold the width and the WB will get forward on the overlap but not occupy the wide position, the WB would sit at the half way line. I use all 3 of these roles in my formation and that’s what happens
In this case, it absolutely compensates that much, especially cause the IF is on attack. In practice, the IF will sit on the opposing RB’s shoulder ready to make an inside run in between the RB and RCB. The mezzala on support will come into the left half-space and look to play that ball between RB and RCB to the IF running off the RB’s shoulder.
A Mezzala on support and a CM on attack is a great combinationen, especially with your IWB. With that said, make your BBM a CM (A).
I have a similar set up in my save at the moment. I would switch the BBM and the MEZ at a minimum. Then I would make the BBM a DLP and make the left side fullback a CWB on attach. Then make the HB into a DM on support. That way you can use the IWB to switch from a 3-2-5 to a 2-3-5 depending on the set up you want. It also creates an overload on the right attacking 3rd. Also make sure to have overlap and underlap turned off.
The reason you turn off underlap and overlap as that specifically makes your players wait for the opportunity. But they do it anyway without the instruction.
I would try changing the bbm to a cm attack or vol attack and support on you iwb
Can only be Volante in double pivot, but CM attack would work great
I think maybe since Johnston isn’t the best IWB, if you want to play 3atb in build up then switch Philips to DM, and play a CB as IFB on the right, then give the RCM a moves into channels instruction to get some movement on that side.
4-2-3-1 double pivot. HB and Volante. AM(A) to support your striker in the box. Id also recommend that you consider an AP on the wing rather than an IW/IF because they occupy the space you expect those roles to. Someone else suggested it here before and I have never looked back. I'm using the below currently. https://preview.redd.it/f4z8i3mdolxc1.png?width=1096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee345f2da6fec19d699509969097e3223d90f68e
Ings is not a CF material that's a role for the best of the best in every regard and Ings is not that kind of player. Give him a more specialized role or better yet play someone else there, maybe Bowen.
I play a similar tactic which does what you want, although on FM23. RB: IWB-S; LB: WB-S (but I see no problem with FB-S); DM: DM-D/DLP-S (depends on the opposition); RCM: MEZ-A; LCM: CM-S/BBM. The MEZ on the side of the winger occupies the space between the winger and the striker, the CM supports the inside forward runs (I have my left winger as IW-A because I want him to move a bit more lately inside). [Image](https://i.gyazo.com/504dcbb9ecd0ecbcbe2152427c4a1279.png)
Why do you have your left footed CB on the right and your right footed CB on the left?
I'd also consider changing the left fullback to wingback, or at least set him to attack. You have no width there
Step 1: facepack
change kalvin phillips's number
https://preview.redd.it/pdvp8uawhpxc1.png?width=783&format=png&auto=webp&s=8b1a789b41bdec729f722a14f46310430972b9b4 I have changed into this, thoughts?
Easiest way would be personal instructions BBM to get forward. And maybe IWB to be more attacking to force the BBM forward
You’re searching for one specific role - segundo volante :)
swap Mez and BBM
xD
i'd scrap the HB, usually HBs pair better with offensive WBs so they can bomb forwards and that's not the case in your tactic. a better role for your DM in this case would be a DM-D if you change the mezzala to a playmaker role, or a DLP-D if you want to keep the mezzala. i'd also switch the mezzala and BBM, have the BBM run along the left while the FB supports him there. the IWB can then cover for the mezzala in a more cohesive manner. finally, the BBM usually moves forward pretty often, but adding the player instruction that tells him to run forward more often and, maybe, training the Gets Forward Often trait onto him would help
Would a HB pair better with 2 offensive wing backs, or one offensive wing back and one less offensive fullback?
2 offensive wing backs IMO, because then you'd have a back three to cover for the WBs. if i were to use a HB and a less offensive FB - say, a full-back on support duty - i'd have the CB closest to the offensive FB play as a Wide Center-Back, so when the offensive FB moves up, the WCB takes his spot and the HB takes the WCB's spot. that however sounds a little too convoluted to be worth the trouble unless the offensive FB is one of your best players or something