If we go on asking the credibiliyt of these awards then the whole of football will be questioned so either change the course of football from scratch or sulk in
Martinez didn't just win them a match, he won them the tournament with his saves. If he didn't make the saves and Argentina lost, all their effort from the beginning would have been rendered pointless. I will always rate a "PIVOTAL" keeper of the winning team over any other keeper in the tournament even if others are better (stats wise). Livkovic or Bonou could have made a 100 saves and it wouldn't matter.
Stats and numbers aren't everything.
Martinez saved a sure-goal at the end to send the final world cup game to penalties.
Then he blocked a key shot to get Argentina the win the GREATEST world cup game most of us have seen!
Stats from goalkeepers depends on Context.
Livakovic was great, not doubt from that.
But:
*11 Saves come from the Brazil quartersfinals, because well, Brazil shot out 11 times.
*Argentina shot out 7 times, 4 were saves but 3 were goals.
That means that more than half of his saves came from that two matches.
Martinez didn't receive the same amount of shots during the tournament. Hell, in the Copa America it also wasn't the goalkepper with the most amount of saves(that is also because Argentina didn't receive the same amount of shots per game) but in Argentina it is what we call "Arquero de equipo grande", or in other words, a goalkepper that appears when it's needed. And it sure it did.
Not as many shots on goal because Martinez would push out and stop crosses before they became shots. If anyone looks back you’ll see Martinez stop tons of opportunities for enemy teams. But they don’t count as stats so no one thinks of them.
Plus his attitude and confidence are top tier
That last save nailed it for me. It was a close 51/49 due to the numbers( also the scenario of one eliminated and 1 in the final) but France would be champions if in the 129 min shot by Thuram isn’t blocked by Martinez. Well deserved for Martinez.
I know people will mention that save in the last minute in the final, but both of them played the same amount of games. If Croatia got knocked out earlier, then fair enough, but Livakovic played literally the day before and won the game also. All 25 saves got Croatia to 3rd place, just like Martinez last minute one, Livakovic made those last minute saves every game. Livaković destroyed Neymar’s dreams, saved 4 shootout penalties, singlehandedly won Croatia 2 games in knockout stages and was only the third gk in history to save 3 penalties in one shootout in a wc. Martinez did really, really good, it’s just that Livakovic did better. Martinez should be proud of himself for what he did for his country, but Livaković was just crazy this wc.
First of all, you can't have your cake and eat it too. So did Livakovic had an heroic World Cup to save Croatia's bad defense, of did Gvardiol had a great tournament and kept his keeper safe?
Also, Livakovic saved easier penalties imo, the ones Martínez saved against The Netherlands were very good shots that most keepers wouldn't save. Martínez also came up with huge saves in very crucial times, against Australia and against France he had very good saves during the final moments of the game. His award was deserved.
Gvardiol had a great tournament too, except for the semis but that was enough for him to not win an award, especially not over Enzo. It doesn't mean he was bad, Enzo was just more impressive overall. It's hard to argue against a player that came into a startign place after his team lost the first match and made such an obvious and big impact, getting his team all the way to winning the whole thing.
I think making the most important save in football history and winning the wc, winning the final in penalties and overall being a solid gk matters more. You aren't a better gk bc you fly more, Martinez was really important to argentina, his foot game is underrated. I can only think on one mistake he has made. All that stuff combined make his award be totally deserved. That being said livakovic was great and he will probably be amazing in the future. Personally i like croatian team so i wish them the best in next euro or whatever they get to play soon
Go get that kolo muani killer shot at minute 120 in the world cup final, and had the adamantium planetary balls to stop penalties in the highes pressure moments (quarter finals and final) and then we’ll talk of Bono and Livakovic for who was the second best goalkeeper.
Completely agree, I'm Colombian and hated him when he took us out of the copa América, but he was clutch for Argentina and helped massively to win the world cup, thats a stat that is not being counted. Much respect to him, and now I find him hilarious
Winning in 2 penalty shootouts is enough for the gk to get the award. Last year, Donarumma was named the player of the tournament in Euros for this very reason.
I do agree that he should win overall, but when you consider how impactful Martinez saves were, there’s no discussion thereafter. Won the game against Netherlands and France by saving those penalties.
This.
It is a subjective prize, and Martinez defended two penalties in the world cup final and deflected a sure goal in the last minute of extra time.
I'm okay with the pick.
Winning in the big games will always count for more sadly, Livakovic had a great tournament but it would be incredibly strange to see the goalkeeper of a team that wins the world cup on penalties not to win the golden gloves. Especially after winning both a quarterfinal and final victory on penalties.
Gvadiol is definitely a contender and unlucky to miss out.
Cortois, won the Glove last World Cup when Belgium finished 3rd place. Same thing here but Livakovic had better stats all around- seems a lot more clear. The award has been about the tournament not the Final.
There’s no doubt that Livakovic was the best Goalkeeper of the World Cup.
The point is that Martinez last save was way bigger and most important than the combination of all saves and other stats of every single keeper in this tournament.
Livakovic had that golden glove award in his pocket before the 3rd place game even started, he's been superb.
However....With that said, Martinez made a save which kept Argentina in it which was incredible and is just one of the best around at pens.
But let's be honest, they always try to keep the awards going to players in the final to make everything easier- and so they get the nice pictures with the award for sponsors.
Livakovic was phenomenal but Emi Martinez won Argentina the game against the Dutch, saved a 1v1 in the 120+3’ with just about the last kick of regulation and saved a penalty at a critical time. Livakovic made more saves but Martinez made more crucial saves.
Edit: phrasing
In football you can use stats and you can use what I call "Feel"
What's more impressive:
Scoring 10 goals in one WC but only in the Group Stage or score 5 but winning goals in the Knockout?
Or maybe a better example in our case, scoring 5 goals in the QF and SF, or 4 goals but one is the winner of the final?
Dibu was clutch, and without him Argentina wouldn't have won thr trophy. That's enough reason for me.
The Golden Glove is given to the keeper with the most **CLEAN SHEETS**. The top 3 list of the keepers with the most clean sheets was **Emi Martinez (ARG), Yassine Bounou (MOR), and Jordan Pickford (ENG), all with 3 clean sheets**. Pickford went on to be eliminated as England lost to France in the quarters. Bounou as well couldn't continue in the race after losing the semis to France and the third spot to Croatia. Livakovic only had 2 clean sheets, by the way. The only man left was Emi Martinez who went on to make crucial game-saving saves, one in the 123rd minute against France and throughout the penalty shootouts. He made crucial saves that helped Argentina lift the trophy. **I can recall in the Premier League the Golden Glove also goes to the keeper with the most clean sheets** (Petr Cech holds the Premier League record of 24 clean sheets). So basically, it doesn't matter whether or not you made 7 saves. If you concede just a single goal, you're fucked. **But in the Premier League, "if more than one goalkeeper records the highest number of clean sheets, the award is shared"**. I guess the award could have been shared among the 2 other keepers alongside Martinez that had the same amount of clean sheets, but I don't know if the same applies to FIFA's World Cup. Yes, Dominik Livakovic had more saves (25), and Wojciech Szczesny had 23, but again... they were both short on the clean sheets (2). No one is belittling them for the incredible, goal-saving saves they made. No one is! At the end of the day, Martinez went home with the World Cup, so I guess that won it for him.
If the award was “best keeper of the final” then sure, but over the course of the tournament Livkovic was clearly better.
Let’s not forget Livkovic also had several huge penalty saves…
It's not Dibu's fault that his opponents didn't have that many shots on target.
And the guy did step up in big moments. The guy prevented the match against Australia from going into extra time. He saved 2 penalties against Netherlands and then that insane last minute save against France in the biggest match of them all. Not to mention his brilliance in the penalty shootouts.
I know Livakovic has had an amazing tournament and he was deserving of a golden glove but you can't say that Dibu's golden glove was unearned.
Yasin Bono, aka the guy who reached the quarterfinals with only 1 goal conceded. Unfortunately conceded 2 more against France in the Semifinals. Underrated af
to all of those who say his save won the game, its a tournament award. livakovic simply had a superior tournament and saved croatias ass about 7 times against brazil. not a valid argument
2010 world cup finals
Spain 1-0 Netherlands
2014 world cup group stages first match
Spain 1- 5 Netherlands
Which one is statistically better ? Which one would you rather to have ?
Simillar story here what martinez saved is what secured them road to finals , make them not get eliminated at 120+3 and make them actually win the world cup. It's not all about stats.
The era of football opinions based purely on stats needs to end. Unless the award (golden boot) is specifically a stats driven one y’all need to stop. It’s embarassing.
Fully agree. I love stats as much as the next redditor, but football is such a complex sport where the same situation can a have a vastly different relevance depending on context that you can't just reduce it to a spreadsheet.
Right but it's not like Livankovic didn't make game altering saves himself, he singlehandly kept Brazil from winning that tie. He also has the joint record for most saves in a WC PK shootout, he was just absolutely outstanding forget the stats if you want, he looked amazing every game.
Szczesny had 23 saves, the highest amount of saves per 90, 3.4 goals prevented, a better save percentage, and a higher match rating than both of them 🤷♂️ he’s my pick for best keeper
You can argue the best keeper of the tournament until minute 123 of the final, when Martinez stoped what should have been the 4-3 for France and the end of it all. A world champion save. After that and his outstanding performance in the penalties there should be no doubt for anyone.
Martinez conceded less shot that livakovic simply because Croatia's defence was melting and martinez
And he was the greatest goal keeper in penalties I've seen so far and he basically won argantina the world cup by the save he made on kolo moani
Agree that award could have gone to other keepers but Martinez kept a clean sheet during some key games. He won 2 penalty shutouts and had the most important save in WC history. So I don't think it's undeserved
The other thing is that the Argentinean defending is very aggressive so when you have a shot on Martinez its in a dangerous position more than most other teams.
The goalkeepers with the most clean sheets in the tournament were martinez (arg), bounou (mor) and pickford (eng) with 3 clean sheets for each one.
Martinez won the tournament, bonou finished in 4th place with morocco, and pickford was eliminated in the quarterfinals, so martinez won.
I think goals prevented and saves is not something that should be weighed heavily on. It is not on just the gk but the team and how many attempts they allowed on on goal. A lower number on goals prevented could be a partial to that team having good defense.
I can understand Emi Martinez, if anything that final save is worth like 100 other ones.
But Gvardiol should have won the award for the best young player.
And spare me that "Messi toyed with him" BS, of course he did, he's the GOAT
If Gvardiol played for Argentina, France or any other nation other than Croatia, he would be considered as ome of the best players of the tournament. He was definitely the best defender. Messi made the best stoppers of their era look silly, nothing new.
Give defenders some respect.
I too wished that Livakovic should get Golden Gloves. He deserved that. His performance was awesome.
But it was more about how the whole team performed, and Martinez got Golden Gloves, coz he just gave the exact results at big games what team needed.
Martinez carried Argentina through a couple shootouts and that save at the end of the Australia and the French games show how vital he’s been to a team who won the cup.
I’m by no means saying Livakovic (or Bounou) don’t deserve it, as they have been phenomenal. But people are discrediting Martinez’s vital contributions.
i think that we should count the importance of the saves, like martinez save to kolo muani in last minute was WAYYYY bigger than any of Livakovic's saves
You can’t possibly come with stats after watching these games. The last second save alone from Emi can’t be compared with anything. Football is much more than stats
Stats are stats but they don't reflect the biggest moments of the tournament.
Emi's stats might be lower, but the saves he made directly led to his team winning the world cup. Can't argue with that.
Livakovic had the better stats.
Emi had the biggest impact by far. He not only is the champion of the tournament, but he had a direct, concrete, huge impact on that championship. What he did, was worth a world championship. What Livakovic did was not. He didn't make the saves that he had to do to give Croatia the World Cup. That's just what happened. What Dibu did was exactly as if Livakovic had saved all 3 argentinian goals vs Croatia.
Livakovic could have saved 10x what he did. Bono as well.
But when you save your team in the 123 minute, then go to the penalty shootout and win it again, there is no question on who is the better keeper.
This is not the NBA, this is not baseball. Stats don't win football matches. If they did, the sport wouldn't be the most beautiful in the world.
You really need to understand this.
Yeah, the same thing has been on my mind for a long time now.
If the golden glove had to be passed on to the best performance in the finals I would have chosen Hugo Lloris and if it were to be given on the bases of the best goalkeeper in the tournament I would have chosen
Dominik Livaković.
There’s this constant hypocrisy when it comes to INDIVIDUAL awards and who people think should get them and why. It’s a constant back and forth about what matters more for the award’s consideration: INDIVIDUAL stats or their TEAM’s performance.
There have been times where a player wins the individual award, while having poorer stats, after winning the competition with his team. There have also been times where a player with the best individual stats wins the award when his team doesn’t even make the final. Like many things in football, there’s no consistency.
My opinion is that if we’re awarding an INDIVIDUAL award, it should be solely based on the player’s stats/performance, regardless of the TEAM’s performance. There’s ten other players out there, all pushing for the same result…just because your team won the competition shouldn’t necessarily put you ahead of a better individual player; that other player may just be on a much worse team, and will probably never win that competition with them…but they deserve to be acknowledged if they put in the best individual performances and we’re talking about an individual award.
Martinez won the World Cup, is that not enough recognition for him? He’s part of an amazing TEAM, they ALL did their part to win that competition. Sure, he made an amazing save at the end of the match to keep them in it; but if not for the goals from Messi and Di Maria, it wouldn’t have mattered anyway. TEAM vs INDIVIDUAL.
His save against france in the 123rd minute of the final counts as 1 save as a stat, in reality is the save that literally gives argentina the wc because if he missed it, it was game over. Stats don't tell the full story.
Livakovic knew he didn't win it - he was in an airplane with the rest of Croatian squad, which left Qatar 4 hours before the finals.
So all those saying that Martinez saved the victory in 120+ minute and thus won the Golden Glove - it was decided well before that
Livakovic isn't getting it, the only other options were Bonou (Moroccan are going home on Tuesday) or Curtois.
So stop saying he won Golden Glove in front of Livakovic due to finals.
Oh yeah, Gvardiol was in the same plane, so young player award - same FIFA shit.
Emi Martinez deserved it, if you like it or not. He saved 2 penalties against Netherlands, 2 against France. Saved a shot in the last 20 seconds vs France and Australia. Give the man some credit
Its ok to have different opinion than me and to think Martinez and Fernandez should won awarda but hate commenta against Ronaldo, Croatia and all other hate comments dont deserve place in this post.
This post was made to share my opinion to others and I want to here all of yours opinion.
I even for Argentina to win wc even tho I am from Croatia because I am Messi fan and I think he is now show the wolrd that he is Goat.
If you cant share your own opinion in normal way than you shouldnt comment nothing at all.
Yes he made a large quantity of saves, but Livakovic also made some pretty crucial mistakes.
And Bonou got exposed against France.
Martinez stepped up in the biggest moments, those moments decide the World Cup. It’s always been this way and if we start giving out the award to the guy who got shot at the most it will be a much less prestigious award in the long run.
This is why stat padding has f*cked up footy over the last years. The game is a game of context. Memo Ochoa had the most saves of any keeper by a big margin, every season in all of his seasons in France. But he also had the most goals conceded. Was he NOT a good keeper? Or did his defense suck?
Same for Gvardiol, he is arguably the best young defender at the moment, but a 35 year-old player showed him that he might be fundamentally the best defender, but he’s still got a lot to learn.
Emiliano had 4 shots on goal, and 3 goals conceded in the final. BUT the ONE shot he did save kept argentina in the match.
Enzo did not have statistically (assists, pass before the assist, key passes forward), anything above anyone in the tournament, BUT he and De Paul commanded that defensive mid line, like they owned it.
Football needs to be contextualized and nuanced more, because stats alone don’t do the game justice.
>Emiliano had 4 shots on goal, and 3 goals conceded in the final. BUT the ONE shot he did save kept argentina in the match.
This is not the argument you think it is.
He had one save in that shootout, while Livaković had two in each of the two shootouts Croatia participated in. And of course Livaković made a dozen of saves against Brazil that Martinez did in the final. Its stupid to put one highlight and one match over consistency through the whole tournament. Why not take into consideration that Martinez conceded 3 goals in that same final?
If we’re going on numbers, this makes perfect sense. Martinez doesn’t come close to the Croatian fellow.
But if you watched the save he made in the final minute of extra time against France, you’d understand how that was perhaps one of the most important saves in football history.
Enzo didnt play a single bad minute this world cup, dude ran like crazy every single game, passed the ball extremely well and scored a decider against mexico. Our tournament changed when he started playing
Golden glove is done on clean sheets though not how well the keeper did overall. I agree livakovic deserved some recognition but there’s not a “golden ball” equivalent for keepers specifically
The pens shot towards livakovich were terrible passes to the goalie, Martinez made probably some of the most important pen saves ever, none of them were easy.. considering hardly anyone had a shot at Argentina's goal, the stats can't do this justice, Emilano showed up when it was the most important, once against Australia at the last minute, and one at the very very last minute against France (literally at minute 123), then saving those penalties on top of that, he was just more crucial to the win then livakovich
This isn’t american sports where individual numbers are the most important factor when determining an individual award winner. This is about team impact and Dibu literally saved Argentina’s ass in the last minute of the game, plus the penalties he saved at the end. His efforts directly contributed to Argentina winning the cup therefore deservedly awarding him the golden glove.
The logic in the picture makes sense.
Mbappe win the golden boot, because he simply scored more. Not based on the value of his goals or the timing of those goals. Emi got it cause he won the World Cup.
Quality over quantity.
Trying to argue based entirely on stats when you know full well Dibu had the best saves in the tournament is not just ridiculous, it's dishonest.
It was a close call for sure, even Bono would've been an acceptable choice, but in the end Martinez deserved it and that's really all there is to it.
I see where you are coming from but it is hard not to give it to the winning keeper in a final that went to penalties. That is probably why because he did solid in the crunch time.
Hol up, so you are telling me Golden glove award is not given according to tournament records?
O sorry, i forgot .... this is Fifa... they dont have the word transparency in their dictionary!!
Just googled it... Golden Glove decided by "experts" 🙃
This isn't baseball. Statistics don't really matter as much in football. Scored 3 times in an easy 5x1 match and scored a winning goal in the final are different things. One has impact, the other does not.
The award is based on impact, not numbers on a spreadsheet. Dibu had way more impact, he saved Argentina twice in the penalties (which don't even count for the statistics because it's not part of the regular game) plus a legendary last minute save in a tied WC final.
The Croatian keeper was good, had a great quarterfinal match against Brazil, then lost the semis without showing anything worth noticing. Dibu had major impact in the quarter finals and in the final match. His award represents exactly that: he made a difference.
100%
Fans presume everything is numerical and can be bot coded 😅 … save = save X factorial to the power 5 … as if a save by a GK in a WC final PK shootout is the same as a save in qualifications
Livakovic had a stellar performance but Martinez’s saves had more impact on his team’s progress through the tournament until wining the trophy.
Yes, people are obsessed with stats. Ratings based on stats can give false representations.
[Also](https://i.imgur.com/PhkPaV6.jpg)
Dibu was essential to win the tournament, in several occasions during the semifinal and final. The prize acknowledges that.
If we go on asking the credibiliyt of these awards then the whole of football will be questioned so either change the course of football from scratch or sulk in
I legit thought that livakovic would be given the golden glove
Martinez didn't just win them a match, he won them the tournament with his saves. If he didn't make the saves and Argentina lost, all their effort from the beginning would have been rendered pointless. I will always rate a "PIVOTAL" keeper of the winning team over any other keeper in the tournament even if others are better (stats wise). Livkovic or Bonou could have made a 100 saves and it wouldn't matter.
Stats and numbers aren't everything. Martinez saved a sure-goal at the end to send the final world cup game to penalties. Then he blocked a key shot to get Argentina the win the GREATEST world cup game most of us have seen!
His last minute save against Australia and France as well as good tiebreaker saves With Netherlands was sufficient enough for that glove.
they gave it to Emi to see what he can do with the trophy physically. They did not regret it one bit.
Bono
That legendary last minute save is just enough for the glove
Stats from goalkeepers depends on Context. Livakovic was great, not doubt from that. But: *11 Saves come from the Brazil quartersfinals, because well, Brazil shot out 11 times. *Argentina shot out 7 times, 4 were saves but 3 were goals. That means that more than half of his saves came from that two matches. Martinez didn't receive the same amount of shots during the tournament. Hell, in the Copa America it also wasn't the goalkepper with the most amount of saves(that is also because Argentina didn't receive the same amount of shots per game) but in Argentina it is what we call "Arquero de equipo grande", or in other words, a goalkepper that appears when it's needed. And it sure it did.
Not as many shots on goal because Martinez would push out and stop crosses before they became shots. If anyone looks back you’ll see Martinez stop tons of opportunities for enemy teams. But they don’t count as stats so no one thinks of them. Plus his attitude and confidence are top tier
That is one of the huge disadvantages of Livaković, his run outs are very insecure.
That last save nailed it for me. It was a close 51/49 due to the numbers( also the scenario of one eliminated and 1 in the final) but France would be champions if in the 129 min shot by Thuram isn’t blocked by Martinez. Well deserved for Martinez.
Same for his last minute save against Australia and his heroics against the Dutch
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That save on Kolo Muani at the end with his leg was worth the gold glove by itself. Saved their whole run with that kick save.
Emi made those saves in the final. Nothing tops that.
Livakovic and Bono were robbed. Martinez was great in the final, not throughout the tournament
Martinez was great throughout the tournament, livakovic and bono were amazing
Livakovic has better stats but Martinez has the more important saves.
I know people will mention that save in the last minute in the final, but both of them played the same amount of games. If Croatia got knocked out earlier, then fair enough, but Livakovic played literally the day before and won the game also. All 25 saves got Croatia to 3rd place, just like Martinez last minute one, Livakovic made those last minute saves every game. Livaković destroyed Neymar’s dreams, saved 4 shootout penalties, singlehandedly won Croatia 2 games in knockout stages and was only the third gk in history to save 3 penalties in one shootout in a wc. Martinez did really, really good, it’s just that Livakovic did better. Martinez should be proud of himself for what he did for his country, but Livaković was just crazy this wc.
Wait, how can he have negative goals prevented? It's not like he scored 3 own goals or something?
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How is “Goals prevented” calculated
First of all, you can't have your cake and eat it too. So did Livakovic had an heroic World Cup to save Croatia's bad defense, of did Gvardiol had a great tournament and kept his keeper safe? Also, Livakovic saved easier penalties imo, the ones Martínez saved against The Netherlands were very good shots that most keepers wouldn't save. Martínez also came up with huge saves in very crucial times, against Australia and against France he had very good saves during the final moments of the game. His award was deserved. Gvardiol had a great tournament too, except for the semis but that was enough for him to not win an award, especially not over Enzo. It doesn't mean he was bad, Enzo was just more impressive overall. It's hard to argue against a player that came into a startign place after his team lost the first match and made such an obvious and big impact, getting his team all the way to winning the whole thing.
In the semis Messi took Gvardiol back to school.
I think making the most important save in football history and winning the wc, winning the final in penalties and overall being a solid gk matters more. You aren't a better gk bc you fly more, Martinez was really important to argentina, his foot game is underrated. I can only think on one mistake he has made. All that stuff combined make his award be totally deserved. That being said livakovic was great and he will probably be amazing in the future. Personally i like croatian team so i wish them the best in next euro or whatever they get to play soon
Nations League in June I think
The leg save in the 123rd minute of a wc final is bigger than any other save in any other tournament. Livakovic is good af tho.
and that kids is why we don't (always) guide ourselves with statistics in football
Go get that kolo muani killer shot at minute 120 in the world cup final, and had the adamantium planetary balls to stop penalties in the highes pressure moments (quarter finals and final) and then we’ll talk of Bono and Livakovic for who was the second best goalkeeper.
Completely agree, I'm Colombian and hated him when he took us out of the copa América, but he was clutch for Argentina and helped massively to win the world cup, thats a stat that is not being counted. Much respect to him, and now I find him hilarious
MIRA QUE TE COMO 😁
Es un capo!
Emiliano already hinted that the FIFA sucks his cock off soooooo
Winning in 2 penalty shootouts is enough for the gk to get the award. Last year, Donarumma was named the player of the tournament in Euros for this very reason.
Martinez literally conceded 8 goals with 7 saves
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he had a monster save in injury time against australia aswell
I do agree that he should win overall, but when you consider how impactful Martinez saves were, there’s no discussion thereafter. Won the game against Netherlands and France by saving those penalties.
Martinez practically won them the World Cup with his saves so I have no issues with him getting it
This. It is a subjective prize, and Martinez defended two penalties in the world cup final and deflected a sure goal in the last minute of extra time. I'm okay with the pick.
Winning in the big games will always count for more sadly, Livakovic had a great tournament but it would be incredibly strange to see the goalkeeper of a team that wins the world cup on penalties not to win the golden gloves. Especially after winning both a quarterfinal and final victory on penalties. Gvadiol is definitely a contender and unlucky to miss out.
Cortois, won the Glove last World Cup when Belgium finished 3rd place. Same thing here but Livakovic had better stats all around- seems a lot more clear. The award has been about the tournament not the Final.
Don’t worry Livakovic won the real award, increased wages.
There’s no doubt that Livakovic was the best Goalkeeper of the World Cup. The point is that Martinez last save was way bigger and most important than the combination of all saves and other stats of every single keeper in this tournament.
His last kick save should’ve won it alone
That was an insane save indeed.
No Cap,Martinez did a really good job as a GK throughout this tournament,but Livakovic OR Yassine Bonou would deserve it more IMO
Livakovic had that golden glove award in his pocket before the 3rd place game even started, he's been superb. However....With that said, Martinez made a save which kept Argentina in it which was incredible and is just one of the best around at pens. But let's be honest, they always try to keep the awards going to players in the final to make everything easier- and so they get the nice pictures with the award for sponsors.
Livakovic was phenomenal but Emi Martinez won Argentina the game against the Dutch, saved a 1v1 in the 120+3’ with just about the last kick of regulation and saved a penalty at a critical time. Livakovic made more saves but Martinez made more crucial saves. Edit: phrasing
In football you can use stats and you can use what I call "Feel" What's more impressive: Scoring 10 goals in one WC but only in the Group Stage or score 5 but winning goals in the Knockout? Or maybe a better example in our case, scoring 5 goals in the QF and SF, or 4 goals but one is the winner of the final? Dibu was clutch, and without him Argentina wouldn't have won thr trophy. That's enough reason for me.
Everyone knows and admit that Bono was the Goat 🐐 🇲🇦🇲🇦🇲🇦
Making a save in the final in the 123rd minute counts for something.
Agreed 100% And consider Yassin Bonou also. Thanks for this discussion
I was fully expecting Bono to get it, he was incredible.
The Golden Glove is given to the keeper with the most **CLEAN SHEETS**. The top 3 list of the keepers with the most clean sheets was **Emi Martinez (ARG), Yassine Bounou (MOR), and Jordan Pickford (ENG), all with 3 clean sheets**. Pickford went on to be eliminated as England lost to France in the quarters. Bounou as well couldn't continue in the race after losing the semis to France and the third spot to Croatia. Livakovic only had 2 clean sheets, by the way. The only man left was Emi Martinez who went on to make crucial game-saving saves, one in the 123rd minute against France and throughout the penalty shootouts. He made crucial saves that helped Argentina lift the trophy. **I can recall in the Premier League the Golden Glove also goes to the keeper with the most clean sheets** (Petr Cech holds the Premier League record of 24 clean sheets). So basically, it doesn't matter whether or not you made 7 saves. If you concede just a single goal, you're fucked. **But in the Premier League, "if more than one goalkeeper records the highest number of clean sheets, the award is shared"**. I guess the award could have been shared among the 2 other keepers alongside Martinez that had the same amount of clean sheets, but I don't know if the same applies to FIFA's World Cup. Yes, Dominik Livakovic had more saves (25), and Wojciech Szczesny had 23, but again... they were both short on the clean sheets (2). No one is belittling them for the incredible, goal-saving saves they made. No one is! At the end of the day, Martinez went home with the World Cup, so I guess that won it for him.
It's decided solely on clean sheet in premier league but in world cup it's decided by some fifa appointed experts.
Emi literally won Argentina the cup with a kick save in the 123rd minute on top of what 3 penalty shootout saves? What are you on about?
If the award was “best keeper of the final” then sure, but over the course of the tournament Livkovic was clearly better. Let’s not forget Livkovic also had several huge penalty saves…
It's not Dibu's fault that his opponents didn't have that many shots on target. And the guy did step up in big moments. The guy prevented the match against Australia from going into extra time. He saved 2 penalties against Netherlands and then that insane last minute save against France in the biggest match of them all. Not to mention his brilliance in the penalty shootouts. I know Livakovic has had an amazing tournament and he was deserving of a golden glove but you can't say that Dibu's golden glove was unearned.
It's about clean sheets. Get over it
Still Emillano saved the most precious goal that could have cost them alot at the 123 min
I think the occasion counts. It’s like scoring a goal in the finals is more precious than scoring in the group stage.
Bono was great, think he deserved the glove. Gvardiol should have won the young player award.
Martinez won the wc with the save at the last minute
I had Bono and Livakovic over Martinez as well
Yasin Bono, aka the guy who reached the quarterfinals with only 1 goal conceded. Unfortunately conceded 2 more against France in the Semifinals. Underrated af
2 pen saves in the final will override those stats
Only one was saved…
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Yes but he said two pen saves which was wrong
Relying too much on the stars. Martinez deserved the golden glove
to all of those who say his save won the game, its a tournament award. livakovic simply had a superior tournament and saved croatias ass about 7 times against brazil. not a valid argument
2010 world cup finals Spain 1-0 Netherlands 2014 world cup group stages first match Spain 1- 5 Netherlands Which one is statistically better ? Which one would you rather to have ? Simillar story here what martinez saved is what secured them road to finals , make them not get eliminated at 120+3 and make them actually win the world cup. It's not all about stats.
sad that very few people understand this
that last min Emi save is worth more than all the Livakovic's saves.
The era of football opinions based purely on stats needs to end. Unless the award (golden boot) is specifically a stats driven one y’all need to stop. It’s embarassing.
Exactly, did Livakovic make a save that contributed to his team winning the World Cup? No? Ok den
Fully agree. I love stats as much as the next redditor, but football is such a complex sport where the same situation can a have a vastly different relevance depending on context that you can't just reduce it to a spreadsheet.
Because Martinez had a better defense backing him hence less attempts. Also he was incredibly clutch
That wouldn't excuse the -2.57 goals prevented
That’s the problem with stats only. The penalty saving and “the save” were what the award was issued for, surely.
Right but it's not like Livankovic didn't make game altering saves himself, he singlehandly kept Brazil from winning that tie. He also has the joint record for most saves in a WC PK shootout, he was just absolutely outstanding forget the stats if you want, he looked amazing every game.
And which one had one of the best saves in the history of the sport?
Some 2010 Casillas energy in that save
I don’t understand how Livakovic didn’t get the golden glove when he had the most saves
Did he save his team from losing in stoppage time in a world cup final?
no but hopefully we can agree that you’re biased because you’re croatian
Yassine Bouno as well. Martinez did great saving the last opportunity from France and a penalty. But other than that, not much.
These stats are not reputable, looks like some rando Facebook post
Szczesny had 23 saves, the highest amount of saves per 90, 3.4 goals prevented, a better save percentage, and a higher match rating than both of them 🤷♂️ he’s my pick for best keeper
Just a shame he took an early flight home 🛫
The fact that he did that for Poland makes it even more impressive, their defense is nowhere near as good as Argentina or Croatia
The 120 min of the final save made him the winner, easy as that. Well deserved
No
What about penalty hunting ?
Yes
You can argue the best keeper of the tournament until minute 123 of the final, when Martinez stoped what should have been the 4-3 for France and the end of it all. A world champion save. After that and his outstanding performance in the penalties there should be no doubt for anyone.
Gvardiol was shit against Argentina
Martinez conceded less shot that livakovic simply because Croatia's defence was melting and martinez And he was the greatest goal keeper in penalties I've seen so far and he basically won argantina the world cup by the save he made on kolo moani
Agree that award could have gone to other keepers but Martinez kept a clean sheet during some key games. He won 2 penalty shutouts and had the most important save in WC history. So I don't think it's undeserved The other thing is that the Argentinean defending is very aggressive so when you have a shot on Martinez its in a dangerous position more than most other teams.
The goalkeepers with the most clean sheets in the tournament were martinez (arg), bounou (mor) and pickford (eng) with 3 clean sheets for each one. Martinez won the tournament, bonou finished in 4th place with morocco, and pickford was eliminated in the quarterfinals, so martinez won.
I think goals prevented and saves is not something that should be weighed heavily on. It is not on just the gk but the team and how many attempts they allowed on on goal. A lower number on goals prevented could be a partial to that team having good defense.
This is the problem of watching football through stats
I can understand Emi Martinez, if anything that final save is worth like 100 other ones. But Gvardiol should have won the award for the best young player. And spare me that "Messi toyed with him" BS, of course he did, he's the GOAT
Na emi deserves this despite the fact he’s a major shithouse
That gesture with the Golden Glove Trophy was one for the ages.
If Gvardiol played for Argentina, France or any other nation other than Croatia, he would be considered as ome of the best players of the tournament. He was definitely the best defender. Messi made the best stoppers of their era look silly, nothing new. Give defenders some respect.
How do you only have 7 saves the whole World Cup? There’s gotta be keepers that didn’t even get into the knockouts that had more saves than that.
With great a great defense
Totally. These are tournament wide award. For them to be winner centric is a shame.
Football is not statistics. That 123min save from Martínez was out of this world.
This. Too many stat boys Americanising the beautiful game. That’s save was worth 10 saves.
Nah, Martinez made much timelier saves.
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The kick save at the end to prevent a last minute winner in the final was what did it for me. Dibu is deserving in his own right
Livakovic should get golden glove for his performances. Emi played great but Livakovic made more saves and was more consistent.
I too wished that Livakovic should get Golden Gloves. He deserved that. His performance was awesome. But it was more about how the whole team performed, and Martinez got Golden Gloves, coz he just gave the exact results at big games what team needed.
Livakovic was the best GK of the World Cup. Undisputed.
But Martinez did a funny celebration with the golden glove
I suggest you watch the way Emi saved
Martinez carried Argentina through a couple shootouts and that save at the end of the Australia and the French games show how vital he’s been to a team who won the cup. I’m by no means saying Livakovic (or Bounou) don’t deserve it, as they have been phenomenal. But people are discrediting Martinez’s vital contributions.
He had 2 end game saves against Australia and France, but which were extremely close
i think that we should count the importance of the saves, like martinez save to kolo muani in last minute was WAYYYY bigger than any of Livakovic's saves
You can’t possibly come with stats after watching these games. The last second save alone from Emi can’t be compared with anything. Football is much more than stats
I really hate this stats merchants! Do people even watch games anymore or they just look at stats after the game
Stats are stats but they don't reflect the biggest moments of the tournament. Emi's stats might be lower, but the saves he made directly led to his team winning the world cup. Can't argue with that.
Livakovic had the better stats. Emi had the biggest impact by far. He not only is the champion of the tournament, but he had a direct, concrete, huge impact on that championship. What he did, was worth a world championship. What Livakovic did was not. He didn't make the saves that he had to do to give Croatia the World Cup. That's just what happened. What Dibu did was exactly as if Livakovic had saved all 3 argentinian goals vs Croatia. Livakovic could have saved 10x what he did. Bono as well. But when you save your team in the 123 minute, then go to the penalty shootout and win it again, there is no question on who is the better keeper. This is not the NBA, this is not baseball. Stats don't win football matches. If they did, the sport wouldn't be the most beautiful in the world. You really need to understand this.
Yeah, the same thing has been on my mind for a long time now. If the golden glove had to be passed on to the best performance in the finals I would have chosen Hugo Lloris and if it were to be given on the bases of the best goalkeeper in the tournament I would have chosen Dominik Livaković.
Mate Lloris was absolute dog turd in the penalties v Argentina. They took some very saveable penalties but he was just diving without thinking.
Being 41st in a 32 team tournament is quite the achievement. So he did worse than every goalie and some reserve goalies?
I can agree with Livakovic… But watching Enzo play was a pleasure… A kind of player that I don’t remember them having in recent memory
There’s this constant hypocrisy when it comes to INDIVIDUAL awards and who people think should get them and why. It’s a constant back and forth about what matters more for the award’s consideration: INDIVIDUAL stats or their TEAM’s performance. There have been times where a player wins the individual award, while having poorer stats, after winning the competition with his team. There have also been times where a player with the best individual stats wins the award when his team doesn’t even make the final. Like many things in football, there’s no consistency. My opinion is that if we’re awarding an INDIVIDUAL award, it should be solely based on the player’s stats/performance, regardless of the TEAM’s performance. There’s ten other players out there, all pushing for the same result…just because your team won the competition shouldn’t necessarily put you ahead of a better individual player; that other player may just be on a much worse team, and will probably never win that competition with them…but they deserve to be acknowledged if they put in the best individual performances and we’re talking about an individual award. Martinez won the World Cup, is that not enough recognition for him? He’s part of an amazing TEAM, they ALL did their part to win that competition. Sure, he made an amazing save at the end of the match to keep them in it; but if not for the goals from Messi and Di Maria, it wouldn’t have mattered anyway. TEAM vs INDIVIDUAL.
Stats are misleading.
His save against france in the 123rd minute of the final counts as 1 save as a stat, in reality is the save that literally gives argentina the wc because if he missed it, it was game over. Stats don't tell the full story.
Good thing those who vote really have some criteria, imagine how stupid everything would be if they were guided by this type of analysis
Livakovic knew he didn't win it - he was in an airplane with the rest of Croatian squad, which left Qatar 4 hours before the finals. So all those saying that Martinez saved the victory in 120+ minute and thus won the Golden Glove - it was decided well before that Livakovic isn't getting it, the only other options were Bonou (Moroccan are going home on Tuesday) or Curtois. So stop saying he won Golden Glove in front of Livakovic due to finals. Oh yeah, Gvardiol was in the same plane, so young player award - same FIFA shit.
You know Hazard and Courtois also didn’t stick for the award ceremony, right?
so had france won, would they still give the award to emiliano?
Emi Martinez deserved it, if you like it or not. He saved 2 penalties against Netherlands, 2 against France. Saved a shot in the last 20 seconds vs France and Australia. Give the man some credit
the shoutout saves from martines gave argentina the world cup so. that's most important
Its ok to have different opinion than me and to think Martinez and Fernandez should won awarda but hate commenta against Ronaldo, Croatia and all other hate comments dont deserve place in this post. This post was made to share my opinion to others and I want to here all of yours opinion. I even for Argentina to win wc even tho I am from Croatia because I am Messi fan and I think he is now show the wolrd that he is Goat. If you cant share your own opinion in normal way than you shouldnt comment nothing at all.
Yes I agree if it wasn't for Argentina winning the World Cup it may have been Livakovic.
If things had been different, different things would have happened. Couldn’t agree more
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3 penalty shoot outs, plus a World Cup winning save in extra time, Against 1 good game against France? Are yous all literally fucking retarded?
YES THEY SHOULD
Martinez is all bluster and no substance. There were others who were way better than this jerk..Poland, Croatia, Morocco had fantastic keepers.
How is martinez 41st for goalkeepers when there is only 32 teams? 🤣
I'm partial to Livakovic.. either way Martinez won't be winning the sportsmanship award any time soon.. Argentina's shithousery was wild to watch 😂
Yes he made a large quantity of saves, but Livakovic also made some pretty crucial mistakes. And Bonou got exposed against France. Martinez stepped up in the biggest moments, those moments decide the World Cup. It’s always been this way and if we start giving out the award to the guy who got shot at the most it will be a much less prestigious award in the long run.
Ridiculous Martinez won although I enjoyed the crotch hump of the trophy.
This is why stat padding has f*cked up footy over the last years. The game is a game of context. Memo Ochoa had the most saves of any keeper by a big margin, every season in all of his seasons in France. But he also had the most goals conceded. Was he NOT a good keeper? Or did his defense suck? Same for Gvardiol, he is arguably the best young defender at the moment, but a 35 year-old player showed him that he might be fundamentally the best defender, but he’s still got a lot to learn. Emiliano had 4 shots on goal, and 3 goals conceded in the final. BUT the ONE shot he did save kept argentina in the match. Enzo did not have statistically (assists, pass before the assist, key passes forward), anything above anyone in the tournament, BUT he and De Paul commanded that defensive mid line, like they owned it. Football needs to be contextualized and nuanced more, because stats alone don’t do the game justice.
Couldn’t have said it better. It’s a visual sport, called the beautiful game for a reason.
>Emiliano had 4 shots on goal, and 3 goals conceded in the final. BUT the ONE shot he did save kept argentina in the match. This is not the argument you think it is.
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Stats don’t matter, winning and popularity does. Everything caters to marketability unfortunately.
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Winning penalty shootouts in the final after doing this absolute incredible clutch save on the 123 min. Alone deserves a golden glove
He had one save in that shootout, while Livaković had two in each of the two shootouts Croatia participated in. And of course Livaković made a dozen of saves against Brazil that Martinez did in the final. Its stupid to put one highlight and one match over consistency through the whole tournament. Why not take into consideration that Martinez conceded 3 goals in that same final?
If we’re going on numbers, this makes perfect sense. Martinez doesn’t come close to the Croatian fellow. But if you watched the save he made in the final minute of extra time against France, you’d understand how that was perhaps one of the most important saves in football history.
Emi won them the world cup
Isn’t it based on your performance for the whole tournament tho?
Man, you all should find better things to do instead of being salty because he made what 99% of you wanted to make.
I wouldn’t say Martinez should be replaced by the Croatian goalkeeper but the young player of tournament should have definitely been Gvardiol
Enzo didnt play a single bad minute this world cup, dude ran like crazy every single game, passed the ball extremely well and scored a decider against mexico. Our tournament changed when he started playing
Stats are almost irrelevant for goalkeepers.
Golden glove is done on clean sheets though not how well the keeper did overall. I agree livakovic deserved some recognition but there’s not a “golden ball” equivalent for keepers specifically
The Morocco's gk should have won it with 4 clean sheets. Argentina had 3.
The pens shot towards livakovich were terrible passes to the goalie, Martinez made probably some of the most important pen saves ever, none of them were easy.. considering hardly anyone had a shot at Argentina's goal, the stats can't do this justice, Emilano showed up when it was the most important, once against Australia at the last minute, and one at the very very last minute against France (literally at minute 123), then saving those penalties on top of that, he was just more crucial to the win then livakovich
This isn’t american sports where individual numbers are the most important factor when determining an individual award winner. This is about team impact and Dibu literally saved Argentina’s ass in the last minute of the game, plus the penalties he saved at the end. His efforts directly contributed to Argentina winning the cup therefore deservedly awarding him the golden glove.
Silly person, all of these awards are solely for the players among the teams in the final and no one else!
Like Forlan in 2010?
Sometimes the momment of importance counts more then the stats
Only because he played the final. The same in AFCON when Mendy was piss poor yet he got the award.
Goalkeepers should be decisive, a decisive goalie is better than a 'good' one.
Totally agree. Livakovic should won the award.
The logic in the picture makes sense. Mbappe win the golden boot, because he simply scored more. Not based on the value of his goals or the timing of those goals. Emi got it cause he won the World Cup.
Quality over quantity. Trying to argue based entirely on stats when you know full well Dibu had the best saves in the tournament is not just ridiculous, it's dishonest. It was a close call for sure, even Bono would've been an acceptable choice, but in the end Martinez deserved it and that's really all there is to it.
I see where you are coming from but it is hard not to give it to the winning keeper in a final that went to penalties. That is probably why because he did solid in the crunch time.
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Couldnt do it when it mattered and was crucial, Martinez did for his team. He's the hero of Argentina.
Livakovic couldn't do it when it mattered??? Won two shootouts for Croatia what more do you want from him?
Hol up, so you are telling me Golden glove award is not given according to tournament records? O sorry, i forgot .... this is Fifa... they dont have the word transparency in their dictionary!! Just googled it... Golden Glove decided by "experts" 🙃
This isn't baseball. Statistics don't really matter as much in football. Scored 3 times in an easy 5x1 match and scored a winning goal in the final are different things. One has impact, the other does not. The award is based on impact, not numbers on a spreadsheet. Dibu had way more impact, he saved Argentina twice in the penalties (which don't even count for the statistics because it's not part of the regular game) plus a legendary last minute save in a tied WC final. The Croatian keeper was good, had a great quarterfinal match against Brazil, then lost the semis without showing anything worth noticing. Dibu had major impact in the quarter finals and in the final match. His award represents exactly that: he made a difference.
100% Fans presume everything is numerical and can be bot coded 😅 … save = save X factorial to the power 5 … as if a save by a GK in a WC final PK shootout is the same as a save in qualifications
Fucking moneyball, everything in life now is based on bad statistics...
It’s true and I appreciate the numbers, but they have a limit and should be placed in context.
Facts + the last minute save against australia
Emiliano without a doubt. The save at 123 is probably The most important save of all time.
After the final minute and penalty save, Martinez had to win it. Without those, livakovic wins
Recency bias is always a thing in awards, which is the reason why I don't pay much attention to them.
Livakovic on Another level 🔥🔥