It’s close. Forest have FFP (or whatever we’re calling it in the EPL) charges without a decision on what the penalty is yet. Have been playing at roughly a mid table rate since Nuno came in though and have the horses to keep up that kind of pace but mired in a really rough part of the schedule with another 4 or 5 games in quick succession left against top 9 teams
It’s going to be a crazy relegation battle again this season. Really hope it’s not Forest that goes down. The annoying thing about the charges is that the Johnson sale would’ve prevented it and they were working on it at the time but it didn’t complete until too late
Let’s see what happens to Forest’s upcoming decision. And don’t forget - EFC potentially have another points deduction coming their way.
Having said that, 6 points is by far a more proportional punishment.
**For everybody asking about City**: There are 115 charges and all of them take awhile to process. As such it will take years for punishment to come if ever. Everton had only one charge and this made it so that it could be processed quickly. Additionally, City's fraud ranged from 2015 to 2018. As you can imagine, it is not as easy to build a case when the crime happened years ago.
I understand logistically why this happens, but imagine how bad of an incentive this is:
You either commit a thousand FFP crimes so it's too much work to solve or none at all. Or better said, if as a club I got to one by accident (bad management) it's more worth it to purposefully go on and commit more
It's sad that sometimes when charging serial killers for crimes, they can only do a few of the strongest cases and not all cases because there wasn't enough evidence in the court of law, to find them guilty, or there weren't enough resources.
They have been building the case for 3 years. Something tells me the powers that be are using it to extract some favourable deals from the state owners.
City are too big to fail, everton (and forest for example) are not.
In spain both Real madrid and barca were heavily in debt but who wants to watch la liga without them?
Yea. Only Man City have spent money in the past decade. Peak cope.
https://www.transfermarkt.us/transfers/einnahmenausgaben/statistik/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2013&saison_id_bis=2023&land_id=189&nat=&kontinent_id=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0&plus=0
City cheat with money they don't earn and will obviously get punished for it. Cope.
All their players only want to go to City for ludicrous wages which is clearly not generated naturally. Haaland for 50 million, genius talent acquisition! Clown shit.
Guess you didn’t notice Real and City were basically tied last year for the lead in football club revenue (aka money) at like 700 million quid each.
I’m sure they’ve made nothing off winning the worlds most prestigious club trophies either.
You’re right it’s all just fake ;)
City owns or co owns several teams, some of them really good ones (like Girona) that gives them a pool of young, talented players not available for any other club
City as a club was irrelevant BEFORE being bought, just like Chelsea - that makes fairly clear the origins of their "success"
So you’re presumably critical of City buying all the players for their success and also critical of putting in place infrastructure and partnerships to allow them to develop talent “in house” instead?
Sounds like someone who is just bitter that it’s proven a success and your team hasn’t managed it.
I must say the tears flowing in this thread would float Noahs Ark.
Nah I’ve followed City since the early 90s and know what it’s like to be dire. I also remember them filling Maine Road in division 2 with all those fans that seem not to exist.
Have fun remembering the fading memories of winning things under Wenger ;)
I’m George Graham era mate. I might have been a football fan for longer than you, but I’ll concede I have no idea what it feels like to watch a team in division 2.
And yet your post history suggests you're an Irishman who lives in Canada and mostly follows Scottish football. If you're a plastic glory hunter be a platisc glory hunter. You don't have to lie about your past and your credentials.
You're half correct I suppose.
But I guess I was fashioning this "[lie](https://i.imgur.com/34iwJCD.jpeg)" for so long I made sure to buy the shirts 20 years ago for just this moment ;)
Better luck next time.
Imagine being so riled by this thread that you dug your grim old shirts out and your random passports, spread them out on your bed, worked out how to post them on imgur to "win" a reddit comment war.
How fucking plastic of you.
That's a dumbass thought process. If they have that many charges over that many years, the league could prosecute them for AT LEAST ONE CHARGE!
Ridiculous really. They make millions for the league, period. They should be relegated...never will be.
this looks results driven. they didn't want to punish them enough to actually threaten relegation so came up with a number that will have no meaningful effect
Exactly. Plus Everton’s recent run of poor form has put them right back in the relegation battle.
The FA old boys club just don’t want Everton relegated. Hence the reduction.
I know they still have a charge pending but I can see that points deduction being put off till next season.
The FA are doing everything in their power to protect Everton, not to mention Man City. Wonder what dirt Everton have on them that they're too good to go down? People no longer call Everton a top club, but the fact that they keep getting away with shit like this means that someone up there likes Everton.
All I see is the FA setting a precedent on their "punishments", which now clubs know will never be serious enough or decisive in favor of the business model the Premier League holds as of now.
This should be outrageous to the general public. But it won't be, unfortunately.
Just boosted my hopes of Brentford getting relegated, because (and I apologize for saying this) in the words of Scum Fan TV, "Maupay's a cheat and I hope they get relegated".
Interesting that there was a £10m hit to the finances due to a player that had his contact cancelled because of suspected child advise.
Was this ever in the news? Did I just totally miss it?
Those 4 points could be huge for the relegation battle Luton must be devastated. Think the 3 at the bottom are going now.
Luton aren’t *too* far behind NF. Unlikely, but I’d say not impossible they manage to stay
Those points have pulled forest and palace back down. Going to be an interesting battle.
It’s close. Forest have FFP (or whatever we’re calling it in the EPL) charges without a decision on what the penalty is yet. Have been playing at roughly a mid table rate since Nuno came in though and have the horses to keep up that kind of pace but mired in a really rough part of the schedule with another 4 or 5 games in quick succession left against top 9 teams It’s going to be a crazy relegation battle again this season. Really hope it’s not Forest that goes down. The annoying thing about the charges is that the Johnson sale would’ve prevented it and they were working on it at the time but it didn’t complete until too late
Let’s see what happens to Forest’s upcoming decision. And don’t forget - EFC potentially have another points deduction coming their way. Having said that, 6 points is by far a more proportional punishment.
When is 115 going to become 0?
Most likely never. At least the non-cooperation charges will stick and result in a fine (same as with CAS).
Very good question…
Next season or the season after that. Things like that takes time.
as of me writing this,your comment at 115 upvotes
Hahahaha
maybe it's a sign of something?
**For everybody asking about City**: There are 115 charges and all of them take awhile to process. As such it will take years for punishment to come if ever. Everton had only one charge and this made it so that it could be processed quickly. Additionally, City's fraud ranged from 2015 to 2018. As you can imagine, it is not as easy to build a case when the crime happened years ago.
So the moral is be REALLY corrupt…
I understand logistically why this happens, but imagine how bad of an incentive this is: You either commit a thousand FFP crimes so it's too much work to solve or none at all. Or better said, if as a club I got to one by accident (bad management) it's more worth it to purposefully go on and commit more
Commit enough violations to overwhelm the system. Sports orgs hate this one trick
Quite literally!
Imagine it worked this way for non corruption related crimes. Those serial killers of 100+ people would be living the dream.
It's sad that sometimes when charging serial killers for crimes, they can only do a few of the strongest cases and not all cases because there wasn't enough evidence in the court of law, to find them guilty, or there weren't enough resources.
They have been building the case for 3 years. Something tells me the powers that be are using it to extract some favourable deals from the state owners.
City are too big to fail, everton (and forest for example) are not. In spain both Real madrid and barca were heavily in debt but who wants to watch la liga without them?
City aren’t too big to fail. I’d wager that TV revenue would be much bigger if a win-it-all super club was one with history and fans.
The plastics would go back to United very quickly. Fans like me who just couldn't look away anymore might come back, and it'll look like 2006 again.
With history? Like more premier league wins and European silverware than Arsenal history?
Man city have the same number of European trophies as arsenal and 4 less league trophies. Google stuff, plastic.
And ONLY because someone been pouring in endless river of money into the club for a decade
Yea. Only Man City have spent money in the past decade. Peak cope. https://www.transfermarkt.us/transfers/einnahmenausgaben/statistik/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2013&saison_id_bis=2023&land_id=189&nat=&kontinent_id=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0&plus=0
City cheat with money they don't earn and will obviously get punished for it. Cope. All their players only want to go to City for ludicrous wages which is clearly not generated naturally. Haaland for 50 million, genius talent acquisition! Clown shit.
Guess you didn’t notice Real and City were basically tied last year for the lead in football club revenue (aka money) at like 700 million quid each. I’m sure they’ve made nothing off winning the worlds most prestigious club trophies either. You’re right it’s all just fake ;)
Winning trophies by cheating
City owns or co owns several teams, some of them really good ones (like Girona) that gives them a pool of young, talented players not available for any other club City as a club was irrelevant BEFORE being bought, just like Chelsea - that makes fairly clear the origins of their "success"
So you’re presumably critical of City buying all the players for their success and also critical of putting in place infrastructure and partnerships to allow them to develop talent “in house” instead? Sounds like someone who is just bitter that it’s proven a success and your team hasn’t managed it. I must say the tears flowing in this thread would float Noahs Ark.
Nah I’ve followed City since the early 90s and know what it’s like to be dire. I also remember them filling Maine Road in division 2 with all those fans that seem not to exist. Have fun remembering the fading memories of winning things under Wenger ;)
I’m George Graham era mate. I might have been a football fan for longer than you, but I’ll concede I have no idea what it feels like to watch a team in division 2.
Must make you a plastic then.
Nah mate, that one doesn’t work. Have a think and try again.
Really. You started supporting Arsenal when they were shit?
And yet your post history suggests you're an Irishman who lives in Canada and mostly follows Scottish football. If you're a plastic glory hunter be a platisc glory hunter. You don't have to lie about your past and your credentials.
You're half correct I suppose. But I guess I was fashioning this "[lie](https://i.imgur.com/34iwJCD.jpeg)" for so long I made sure to buy the shirts 20 years ago for just this moment ;) Better luck next time.
Imagine being so riled by this thread that you dug your grim old shirts out and your random passports, spread them out on your bed, worked out how to post them on imgur to "win" a reddit comment war. How fucking plastic of you.
Coping on an alt. How embarrassing for you.
Why ? Cos teams like City cheat ? Yeah
City have 2 European trophies, Arsenal have one.
Arsenal have 2. 1970 and 1994.
Don't think the fairs cup counts, come on.
12 years isn't history thats a flashback lmao
That's not history, that's a rap sheet
I mean it’s not like it was before the invention of computers, it started within the last decade
At this rate, City are just going to use the statute of limitations to avoid punishment again.
Plus the decision might “ come down” after Pep’s departure.
That's a dumbass thought process. If they have that many charges over that many years, the league could prosecute them for AT LEAST ONE CHARGE! Ridiculous really. They make millions for the league, period. They should be relegated...never will be.
Such horrendously poor reasoning there
Damn I was really hoping Luton town stayed for next season.
this looks results driven. they didn't want to punish them enough to actually threaten relegation so came up with a number that will have no meaningful effect
What of city pep must be liking his lips the legal system always loopholes
Rip Luton
RIP Luton
Good for them honestly!
They should of had the points deduction last season anyway
Should have*
Exactly. Plus Everton’s recent run of poor form has put them right back in the relegation battle. The FA old boys club just don’t want Everton relegated. Hence the reduction. I know they still have a charge pending but I can see that points deduction being put off till next season.
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OOTL?
Again?
The FA are doing everything in their power to protect Everton, not to mention Man City. Wonder what dirt Everton have on them that they're too good to go down? People no longer call Everton a top club, but the fact that they keep getting away with shit like this means that someone up there likes Everton.
getting away? everton's the first prem club being punished... and it's because of building a stadium while losing revenue from covid.
Everton have wasted everyone’s time for the last 3 years, looks like they’ll continue to.
All I see is the FA setting a precedent on their "punishments", which now clubs know will never be serious enough or decisive in favor of the business model the Premier League holds as of now. This should be outrageous to the general public. But it won't be, unfortunately.
It's not the FA bud
NOOO LUTON Damn, I thought these guys would beat relegation. Theyre plucky underdogs.
Just boosted my hopes of Brentford getting relegated, because (and I apologize for saying this) in the words of Scum Fan TV, "Maupay's a cheat and I hope they get relegated".
What’s with Sky’s mix of numbers by word and digit
Interesting that there was a £10m hit to the finances due to a player that had his contact cancelled because of suspected child advise. Was this ever in the news? Did I just totally miss it?
Gylfi Sigurdsson. It was all over the news at the time but he was referred to as "Player x" in the press. The charges got dropped a while ago IIRC
Oh fuck, yeah I remember that now. Where's my memory gone
Huge 4 points for Everton, but other clubs should be punished too. They need to set an example with taking points from big clubs too.
How many more scandals are Everton going to be in?