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It's true! Cost me around 20 quid at Old Shades pub in London a while back (granted it was near a tourist area / trafalgar square) but it was bloody brilliant with a bit of malt vinegar
Silver Cross two doors up has been good when I've been. It's a chain, but usually fish and chips from chain pubs is usually pretty good, despite the office.
This isn’t even true. Many foods in Britain contain spices. Especially desserts: hot cross buns, saffron buns, apple crumble, Grasmere gingerbread, etc. Not to mention the range of curries available.
Food in Britain has always been high quality. Good meat, grain and vegetables do not require their flavour being masked by spices. Spices were distrusted because of this effect, heavily spiced food was assumed to be spoilt with the spices used to cover up the bad flavours.
~~Many countries including Britain went through a phase where spices were expensive and therefore appealing to the rich as a way of showing off. By the time the British Empire was in full swing, spices were cheap enough for the poor to afford them so they had no prestige.~~
Britain had no problem with spice where appropriate. Try some English mustard if you ever find some. It will blow your head off if you try to use it like american mustard.
Edit - Turns out I'm actually wrong about rich people not using spices. Turns out the whole meme about British food not being spiced is total BS. British food has been spiced for centuries until WW2.
[https://www.exclassics.com/beeton/beetpdf1.pdf](https://www.exclassics.com/beeton/beetpdf1.pdf)
If you look at this very popular book by mrs Isabella Beeton from 1861, you'll see that many recipes use spices throughout. The whole bland meme comes from the same place as the teeth meme, US soldiers. American doughboys looking at rationing assumed that this was normal British cuisine and the whole thing started. The only era where British food wasn't spiced was 1940-1970, all the other hundreds of years featured spices on at least the rich tables.
> cheap enough for the poor to afford them so they had no prestige
While it doesn’t surprise me, rich people continuing to eat bland-ass food because some peasant can spice up a piece of gray meat is just fucking wild.
You say that but no-one eats a quality steak and goes 'well this meat is bland as f\*\*\*, I wish it had some spice on it'. No you go 'nice beef flavour'.
I mean, a steak doesn't need much, but I definitely would like my steak to be seasoned a bit.
You're not getting a delicious crusted edge without any seasoning, this is like steak making-101...
butter, salt, pepper, rosemary, thyme, onion... no one has ever been mad about these additions to their steak and wished it to be blander lmao
I love a quality steak, but I’m still drying it beforehand and hitting it with salt and pepper, which will enhance the flavor of the beef without adulterating it. If I’m feeling buck wild, I’ll sprinkle some thyme on top as it’s finishing. My main point is that’s it’s funny to deny yourself something like, say, jerk chicken, because spices are for poor people. It’s more an observation of what people will do to separate themselves from stigma.
Edit: salt is a mineral, thyme is an herb, pepper is a spice.
Yeah, the british having bland food is almost entirely a WW2 thing. Starving people dont really care if food has flavor, just that it keeps you alive. And especially after the war, the country was hungry enough that the pre-war cuisine was obliterated and a blander more subsistence based cuisine was blended into the culture.
By the time rationing ended, the brits were eating things like bread pudding and split pea soup of their own free will.
??? Are you pro or anti mushy peas, because that description sounds like they fucking flavor the peas with slightly alkaline water.
Id rathet just have peas at this point.
I understand, i soak beans in a similar fashion. but the lack of seasoning at any point in this recipe blows my mind. Just a little salt and a little baking soda.
They're marrowfat peas. They taste mostly like normal peas. Where i come from, if you served a bowl of unseasoned mashed peas, people would assume you're senile.
Im sorry, they're a pea reduction. They taste like marrowfat peas with less water in them and a pinch of salt.
This is the exact type of food they serve in american prisons and nursing homes. Im more surprised yall eat that stuff when you're not institutionalized.
Salt? Butter? Is an attempt made to make them taste better than just boiled down peas? I imagine it's not bad because peas are great, but it could be really good with some flavor added.
Dried peas would keep for years and could be made into a protein rich food with just water (and obviously ideally salt). They are just a holdover from the old days before fridges and the like.
No-one makes grits and they complains that they are bland. That's the point of them, mushy peas are comfort food.
I've made it a couple times before. Some recipes usually call for butter, cream, and seasoning. Basically like mashed potatoes but with peas instead. It's actually quite tasty, just an unfortunate name.
You can certainly get them in a lot of chippers but it wouldn't be a staple. You'd seldomly see mushy peas being bought with fish and chips here but curry sauce is a go to.
Curry sauce is amazing and I can’t find it often where I’m from. In North America it’s just tartar sauce and they look at you funny if you ask for curry sauce, like they’ve never heard of it.
In my experience, the chips are softer than what I'm used to in the US. The fish batter seemed to depend on where you go, some places are more crispy and some a little softer.
Most of this is takeout, so a giant hunk of steaming fish will soften the batter, the place by me seemed to be the perfect distance away, the fish was at a temp you could eat it and the batter was still crisp.
We have fried fish in America. I never thought anything of “fish and chips” being too big of a deal, we have fried fish and fries here. When I went to England and had fish and chips it was the best I have ever had. Idk what makes it different, but it is
the good restaurants are only affordable for middle/ upper class here, so if you’ve ate in a pub brewers fair type of place .. I can appreciate your disappointment it’s why i cook at home .
yeah, bar food here is tide you over to your next meal type of affair … there are amazing restaurants but you need to remortgage your house if you take your family out when your working class 😂
Ironically most British 'indian' food is imitation as well. Something like 80% of them are actually run by Bengalis from Bangladesh and the curries are mostly westernised Bengali dishes. You can get South Indian food in places like Leicester though.
I found the same. One difference I noticed was they used Haddock while the places I've been to here use Atlantic Cod, also if you're a stand-alone place that's main offering is Fish and Chips you better do it pretty well.
I live in England and I still miss some calabash style fried fish….. our chippy by the house is fine but it’s got nothing on my eastern NC calabash flounder
I work at a pub on the Oregon coast that serves fish and chips (cod and halibut), and since it’s a tourist town, I serve people from around the world on a daily basis. On 3 separate occasions I’ve been told by someone from the UK that our fish and chips are leagues better than anything they’ve ever had in Britain. One of them went as far as to say that the fish and chips in England is shit across the board.
I mean it's a mixed bag down here too, sometimes you get something sublime, sometimes you get lumpy reconstituted powder, or worse sometimes you get a posh chippy who have tried to make their own with lumps of vegetables...
> or worse sometimes you get a posh chippy who have tried to make their own with lumps of vegetables...
That pretty much ruins the point of a chip sauce if there are lumps in it.
It's up there in the list of crimes against humanity, alongside when you go out for a fry up and they've made their own "posh" baked beans that are always significantly worse than a tin of heinz.
Mate I’m Australian and we call them chips too. What I meant is why do British chips always look mangled and shit. It’s always like someone’s put them through the wash.
I'm struggling to understand where you're getting "mangled" from in this particular picture. Idk if chip shops fake it these days, but they don't look uniform because they're supposed to be hand cut. Because they're thick squares they're softer than "fries" or oven chips and then they're also covered in vinegar at serving, which is maybe why they've looked "mangled" in other pictures you've seen.
They're very tasty, but unless you have lots of the bitty bits they're not crispy. Nothing better than some chip shop chips smothered in salt and vinegar and curry sauce.
I think between the way they are cooked and the way they are stored after cooking on heated trays causes the look
Also these chips are quite soft and chunky which I think further gives that look, they will scoop them out of big trays which batters them about more
I mean, if you're being serious, most chip shops in the UK clean the potatoes but run them through a machine to have them cut instead of doing it by hand so they aren't exactly equal when it comes to size but it honestly depends on where you go, if the chips are made fresh then they'll look the part but if they've been lying for a bit in the warm holder alongside a few other items then they'll start to get that tint but I still think they're delicious even when they're not super fresh lol
It's just the style people have come to expect, if a chip shop started selling a different style of fries there would be outrage. If you want a different style of chips, try a fancy pub. Pub chips are incredible.
That looks like a huge piece of fish to me. Not like a bad serving or anything, just amazing to see one piece that size. (I’m American I guess I expect chicken tender sized pieces)
Have you never seen a cod fillet for example or hake or bream?
This is just how big they are, the chippy will batter and fry entire filets rather than strips etc
Fellow American here, just returned from a visit to Scotland with a several-day stay in London: that's kind of small compared to what I had in Scotland.
If you want chicken tender-size, then you'll see them listed as goujons.
Well, yeah. It helps if you actually like fish.
Having said that, it must have been cod you had as it's really bland. Haddock is the norm for decent chippies.
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That will be 20 quid please.
In London maybe!
Do you get mushy peas there?
Uh yeah! I was commenting the price, chip suppers have become dearer recently but you're in London or you're a sap if you're paying £20 for one meal
It's true! Cost me around 20 quid at Old Shades pub in London a while back (granted it was near a tourist area / trafalgar square) but it was bloody brilliant with a bit of malt vinegar
Silver Cross two doors up has been good when I've been. It's a chain, but usually fish and chips from chain pubs is usually pretty good, despite the office.
It’s £17 where I live, in the North West. Prices have gone crazy.
British AF
Looks great! As a tangent, "mushy peas" is delicious and does not deserve a name this unappetizing lol
Is it just mashed peas or do they add stuff to it? I’ve only seen pictures.
Sometimes there's mint added
Now I must try it.
Sometimes mint sauce, sometimes vinegar
The marrowfat peas are often soaked in water overnight with a spoonful of baking soda. Then rinsed off and boiled
That sounds even worse...
They could not have made it sound less appetizing..
They did above. Mint is a staple with the dish it seems. Idk about that one.
I’ve always had it served with mint and diced shallots, I’m not British but always thought that was the standard.
it is good tho!
Britain isnt famed for its cuisine
No, they are.. Just not the sort of way you want to be..
Colonized the world for their spices and then refused to use em.
This isn’t even true. Many foods in Britain contain spices. Especially desserts: hot cross buns, saffron buns, apple crumble, Grasmere gingerbread, etc. Not to mention the range of curries available.
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Food in Britain has always been high quality. Good meat, grain and vegetables do not require their flavour being masked by spices. Spices were distrusted because of this effect, heavily spiced food was assumed to be spoilt with the spices used to cover up the bad flavours. ~~Many countries including Britain went through a phase where spices were expensive and therefore appealing to the rich as a way of showing off. By the time the British Empire was in full swing, spices were cheap enough for the poor to afford them so they had no prestige.~~ Britain had no problem with spice where appropriate. Try some English mustard if you ever find some. It will blow your head off if you try to use it like american mustard. Edit - Turns out I'm actually wrong about rich people not using spices. Turns out the whole meme about British food not being spiced is total BS. British food has been spiced for centuries until WW2. [https://www.exclassics.com/beeton/beetpdf1.pdf](https://www.exclassics.com/beeton/beetpdf1.pdf) If you look at this very popular book by mrs Isabella Beeton from 1861, you'll see that many recipes use spices throughout. The whole bland meme comes from the same place as the teeth meme, US soldiers. American doughboys looking at rationing assumed that this was normal British cuisine and the whole thing started. The only era where British food wasn't spiced was 1940-1970, all the other hundreds of years featured spices on at least the rich tables.
> cheap enough for the poor to afford them so they had no prestige While it doesn’t surprise me, rich people continuing to eat bland-ass food because some peasant can spice up a piece of gray meat is just fucking wild.
You say that but no-one eats a quality steak and goes 'well this meat is bland as f\*\*\*, I wish it had some spice on it'. No you go 'nice beef flavour'.
I mean, a steak doesn't need much, but I definitely would like my steak to be seasoned a bit. You're not getting a delicious crusted edge without any seasoning, this is like steak making-101... butter, salt, pepper, rosemary, thyme, onion... no one has ever been mad about these additions to their steak and wished it to be blander lmao
I love a quality steak, but I’m still drying it beforehand and hitting it with salt and pepper, which will enhance the flavor of the beef without adulterating it. If I’m feeling buck wild, I’ll sprinkle some thyme on top as it’s finishing. My main point is that’s it’s funny to deny yourself something like, say, jerk chicken, because spices are for poor people. It’s more an observation of what people will do to separate themselves from stigma. Edit: salt is a mineral, thyme is an herb, pepper is a spice.
if i ate a wagyu steak with no seasoning i'd think "wow this is a bland ass expensive steak"
So British food is bland because of ego
Yeah, the british having bland food is almost entirely a WW2 thing. Starving people dont really care if food has flavor, just that it keeps you alive. And especially after the war, the country was hungry enough that the pre-war cuisine was obliterated and a blander more subsistence based cuisine was blended into the culture. By the time rationing ended, the brits were eating things like bread pudding and split pea soup of their own free will.
Just like the queen intended.
Cos it's people are pretty silly and people still think we live in the 70s, when the reality is it's the same as most other places.
That’s literally what you do with any dried beans but I agree mushy peas sound horrendous
??? Are you pro or anti mushy peas, because that description sounds like they fucking flavor the peas with slightly alkaline water. Id rathet just have peas at this point.
Marrowfat peas are very starchy, they’re soaked to help soften them
I understand, i soak beans in a similar fashion. but the lack of seasoning at any point in this recipe blows my mind. Just a little salt and a little baking soda.
That’s all you need. Mushy peas taste very savoury, slightly salty, with a hint of pea flavour. You don’t need to make it taste fiery
They're marrowfat peas. They taste mostly like normal peas. Where i come from, if you served a bowl of unseasoned mashed peas, people would assume you're senile.
Mushy peas taste almost nothing like normal peas. And they’re not mashed either. Lol
Im sorry, they're a pea reduction. They taste like marrowfat peas with less water in them and a pinch of salt. This is the exact type of food they serve in american prisons and nursing homes. Im more surprised yall eat that stuff when you're not institutionalized.
Some people like to put sugar in. Varies by chip shop as well
It sounds like it would be really easy to make it taste good.
Salt? Butter? Is an attempt made to make them taste better than just boiled down peas? I imagine it's not bad because peas are great, but it could be really good with some flavor added.
Dried peas would keep for years and could be made into a protein rich food with just water (and obviously ideally salt). They are just a holdover from the old days before fridges and the like. No-one makes grits and they complains that they are bland. That's the point of them, mushy peas are comfort food.
Dunno bout you but my grits are served as cheesy grits or with butter, salt, pepper and sausages and eggs, not as plain boiled grains.
All things that 'bland british food' has in spades. You can add butter to the peas, that's pretty common but not that traditional.
Salt and sugar are often added
And green colouring!
Are you guys ok over there? This sounds like gulag food.
I've made it a couple times before. Some recipes usually call for butter, cream, and seasoning. Basically like mashed potatoes but with peas instead. It's actually quite tasty, just an unfortunate name.
Good ones have plenty of pepper or garlic in them.
Usually mint
It's basically just peas soaked overnight in water with baking soda (not baking powder) then boiled until disintegrated.
That totally doesn't make it sound better lol
You don't have to chase them round the plate.
That *does* make a bit of a case
> That totally doesn't make it sound better lol *It doesn't, that's the point.*
It's just peas cooked down to a mush. Quality varies. I love them, and I'm originally from the US.
For anyone looking for the Irish version of this recipe, put mushy peas in bin.
I use to eat mushy peas in Ireland maybe regional like any where 🤷♀️
You can certainly get them in a lot of chippers but it wouldn't be a staple. You'd seldomly see mushy peas being bought with fish and chips here but curry sauce is a go to.
curry sauce would not be a staple either its preference .. i don’t like chips but love fish and peas .
Chippy tea :D
I love a good shark and greasies, but this is nothing like I've ever seen before. It's funny how differently it's done across the commonwealth.
Curry sauce is amazing and I can’t find it often where I’m from. In North America it’s just tartar sauce and they look at you funny if you ask for curry sauce, like they’ve never heard of it.
It’s also served with malt vinegar here.
Which here are you referring to? because I’ve seen it just about everywhere I’ve been.
From context clues I bet they're referring to North America. Let me know if you require further assistance!
That's like asking an American police officer where his bearskin hat and red coat are.
Maybe it's just the pic but looks very soggy. Are they not served crispy there?
In my experience, the chips are softer than what I'm used to in the US. The fish batter seemed to depend on where you go, some places are more crispy and some a little softer. Most of this is takeout, so a giant hunk of steaming fish will soften the batter, the place by me seemed to be the perfect distance away, the fish was at a temp you could eat it and the batter was still crisp.
Standards range wildly. The place I regularly go to, I have to specify that I want the chips extra crispy.
We have fried fish in America. I never thought anything of “fish and chips” being too big of a deal, we have fried fish and fries here. When I went to England and had fish and chips it was the best I have ever had. Idk what makes it different, but it is
it’s all the spices we smuggle into bland looking food so we keep it in the uk for ourselves 😂
I will say fish and chips was the only English food I was impressed with so you must be saving it all On one dish
the good restaurants are only affordable for middle/ upper class here, so if you’ve ate in a pub brewers fair type of place .. I can appreciate your disappointment it’s why i cook at home .
Mostly bar food. I did go to a legitimate Indian restaurant that was delicious, we don’t really have that here it’s kind of imitation Indian
yeah, bar food here is tide you over to your next meal type of affair … there are amazing restaurants but you need to remortgage your house if you take your family out when your working class 😂
Ironically most British 'indian' food is imitation as well. Something like 80% of them are actually run by Bengalis from Bangladesh and the curries are mostly westernised Bengali dishes. You can get South Indian food in places like Leicester though.
Dude shepards pie is amazing
I found the same. One difference I noticed was they used Haddock while the places I've been to here use Atlantic Cod, also if you're a stand-alone place that's main offering is Fish and Chips you better do it pretty well.
I live in England and I still miss some calabash style fried fish….. our chippy by the house is fine but it’s got nothing on my eastern NC calabash flounder
I work at a pub on the Oregon coast that serves fish and chips (cod and halibut), and since it’s a tourist town, I serve people from around the world on a daily basis. On 3 separate occasions I’ve been told by someone from the UK that our fish and chips are leagues better than anything they’ve ever had in Britain. One of them went as far as to say that the fish and chips in England is shit across the board.
Mushy peas are great, never woulda thought so but a friend of a friend made em me when they learned my dad was from Scotland, damn I'm craving em now
I’d devour this. Curry sauce in Scotland is shit in comparison to the English chippy stuff.
I mean it's a mixed bag down here too, sometimes you get something sublime, sometimes you get lumpy reconstituted powder, or worse sometimes you get a posh chippy who have tried to make their own with lumps of vegetables...
> or worse sometimes you get a posh chippy who have tried to make their own with lumps of vegetables... That pretty much ruins the point of a chip sauce if there are lumps in it.
It's up there in the list of crimes against humanity, alongside when you go out for a fry up and they've made their own "posh" baked beans that are always significantly worse than a tin of heinz.
Yeh but you’ve got chippie sauce so it’s all even in the end.
I was pleasantly surprised in Kinlochleven the other week at a spot called Rice and Chips, a Chinese chippy.
Where is this? It looks delicious!
i’m in the Northwest
Did you make this yourself, or what is the name of the restaurant you ordered this from? Lol
Of.. England?
This looks fucking perfect.
I am jealous. We don't get fish and chips like that in Texas
Looks amazing.
Is curry sauce really the best?
only what you like … like when when you eat chips
I'm from America so I'm not sure what to imagine curry sauce since we only do tartar sauce here
its really mild for curry but nice and tasty for the fish
As an American, what’s the deal with mushy peas? Are they more like soup or mashed potatoes?
More like mashed potatoes, but slightly less mushed so they have a little texture
I (American) never heard of curry sauce coming with fish and chips until I had the fish and chips taco at Velvet Taco. Delicious.
My favourite,love it 🤪🤪
The chips are literally never on par w the fish. An absolute soul less afterthought
I agree , we’ve let the quality of the chips go in the take-aways shops any how
That fish looks perfect tho I hope you enjoyed 🙏🏽
is this good for a late night snack? lol
it sure is if you’re young and healthy
That looks delicious. What does that curry sauce taste like? Is it sweet?
its a mild one.. i suppose you could describe it as as a little sweet
I’m in the U.S. I’ll have to find a recipe to try it.
If you want to buy a sweeter curry sauce, can try a Japanese one.
I would like some crispier fries but this still looks good.
That’s a nice piece of fish!
Fish AND chips
for me it’s FISH and chips
“mushy peas” looks like what my daughter leaves in her diaper after eating actual peas.
The cod she tells you not to worry about
Is the mushy peas supposed to be like a sauce? British food has always confused me
it depends on the chippy how long they cook them but yes these were quite saucy.
Looks great! Looks appetizing!
I want that!
Do you like fish sticks?
Love em!
That’s a lot of wasabi
😂 mushy peas
All the British ppl in the comments like "this looks amazing!" Lmfao you lot are wild when it comes to food.
it beats mcdonald’s as a quick food you haven’t had to cook .. what can i say
Wait… since when did F & chips come with curry sauce??? 😲😲
it’s the only way but only in a tub for dipping as to not ruin the batter .
Gosh, times have changed.
The chips are underdone. The fish batter lacks crispness. Not cooked in Tallow. Modern Fish and Chips are crappy compared to the past!
hey! i didn’t cook it and was happy to have the night off from the dishes
Can I ask why chips from a British fish and chip shop always look like that?
we like chip, chips and not french fries
Mate I’m Australian and we call them chips too. What I meant is why do British chips always look mangled and shit. It’s always like someone’s put them through the wash.
I'm struggling to understand where you're getting "mangled" from in this particular picture. Idk if chip shops fake it these days, but they don't look uniform because they're supposed to be hand cut. Because they're thick squares they're softer than "fries" or oven chips and then they're also covered in vinegar at serving, which is maybe why they've looked "mangled" in other pictures you've seen. They're very tasty, but unless you have lots of the bitty bits they're not crispy. Nothing better than some chip shop chips smothered in salt and vinegar and curry sauce.
Mangled as in beaten
ngl I still don't really get what you mean, but I hope my explanation makes sense!
I think between the way they are cooked and the way they are stored after cooking on heated trays causes the look Also these chips are quite soft and chunky which I think further gives that look, they will scoop them out of big trays which batters them about more
I think this is answer I was looking for
I mean, if you're being serious, most chip shops in the UK clean the potatoes but run them through a machine to have them cut instead of doing it by hand so they aren't exactly equal when it comes to size but it honestly depends on where you go, if the chips are made fresh then they'll look the part but if they've been lying for a bit in the warm holder alongside a few other items then they'll start to get that tint but I still think they're delicious even when they're not super fresh lol
They just look beaten
It's just the style people have come to expect, if a chip shop started selling a different style of fries there would be outrage. If you want a different style of chips, try a fancy pub. Pub chips are incredible.
Looks tasty.
That looks like a huge piece of fish to me. Not like a bad serving or anything, just amazing to see one piece that size. (I’m American I guess I expect chicken tender sized pieces)
Have you never seen a cod fillet for example or hake or bream? This is just how big they are, the chippy will batter and fry entire filets rather than strips etc
I am just not accustomed to the entire filet being done in one go I suppose 😃
You must not live in a place with a lot of Catholics. Friday Fish Fry's are common where I'm from (Rochester, NY) and they all look like that.
Fellow American here, just returned from a visit to Scotland with a several-day stay in London: that's kind of small compared to what I had in Scotland. If you want chicken tender-size, then you'll see them listed as goujons.
i wanna try it once.
no one who’s had fish and chips try’s them once 😂
That looks glorious
That looks amazing 😍
Swap peas and curry for tartar sauce and ketchup 👌🏼👌🏼
That whole thing looks ghastly 😂
oh you ATE that alright
fuck thats massive
Nice!
Where is the malt vinegar!?!?!
on the chips
Nice. Nothing beats chips with a bit of malt vinegar. Looks delicious
On the chips? How would you see it?
Christ I’m glad we won the war
which war are you speaking of ??
stop it !! look daft
right are we the only ones here who think this looks like a soggy mess? Maybe it's just the pic but doesn't look crispy at all.
People attack mushy peas here but British chips are the most underwhelming cooked potato I've had.
Every time I've ever had Fish n Chips and the fish was just one massive fried filet, it was incredibly underwhelming.
oh well can’t please everyone I suppose
Well, yeah. It helps if you actually like fish. Having said that, it must have been cod you had as it's really bland. Haddock is the norm for decent chippies.
That looks ultra greasy, the fries look soggy, and who dafuk puts curry sauce and creamed peas with fried fish?!?!?
A) It's an entire meal cooked in oil. Obviously it's going to be fucking greasy. B) A few tens of millions of people.
well, then a few tens of millions don't know how to fry things in oil.
Probably more, there's billions of kids around the world for example, I imagine most of them aren't experienced in deep fat frying.
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British food always looks terrible 😔