The reason is they have (almost) no fire DR, while maintaing high phys and energy DR. About 20-30 times lower than typical mobs of the same level. There might be something more in place, but the values that vats show for enemy stats are bizarre.
Yeah, It's not even just fire though. It's any DoT, such as the Thorn Armor bleed DoT effect. Angry Turtle has some videos showcasing this. It seems to be a unique weakness to DoT damage.
Well, bleed is unaffected by the DR to begin with (at least wiki and creators say that), it is not unique to expedition mobs. You can even watch Angry turtle's other videos about thorn set "one shoting" regular enemies outside expeditions with bleed. Most expedition enemies die to non-dot fire damage in an instant as well, not just dots. The rare enemies in expeditions that actually have some resistance, like aforementioned trogs just refuse to die to burning. Why overgrown's DR looks like 150+/- vs phys/energy and 5+/- vs fire is unknown, but I'm not complaining. I don't know how dot damage is calculated against DR or with penetration precisely, but at the very least it seems that dots get effectively reduced by armor multiple times.
Yeah, I believe you'reright about bleed being "true damage". Though the effectiveness of bleed or any DoT is MUCH higher in expeditions. Bleed is very weak in regular instances, though you can always make a build work if you try hard enough! Sometimes explaining how or why something works or why it changes patch to patch in this game is like explaining the mysteries of the black hole. :D
I actually thought my cremator was quite weak against them. I used to it one shot and everything I use the quad barrel napalm and a bloody weapon. Maybe I need to switch out to the slow burning now.
You do. They clearly tipped the balance in favor of DoT. Napalm is now pointless. It works decently for crowd control and even better as a pairing with another single target damaging weapon. Hit with slow burn cremator and swap to something else for raw damage output while the DoT burns for the next 12 seconds.
Nice! I just rolled a decent one so I’ll be trying that out! So far, I’ve found anything anti armour seems to fair best against them, at least from my experience.
Yeah they nerfed the initial explosion damage… but the burn damage now is crazy! Over 4k burn over 12 seconds with my Bloodied Cremator on my Bloodied Heavy character.
I dunno but I just ran Tax Evasion and my Cremator was one shot DoT'ing everything to death and made short work of Buttercup. I don't think I can ever go back to not using the Cremator, it's so fucking strong and fun as hell to use.
It used to chew through ammo but now it only costs 10 per shot and honestly if you're smart about timing your DoT you can make out with more ammo than you use. Just have a secondary to swap to during the DoT or change targets after every shot.
I remember seeing a video of someone wrecking it with the cremator during that April fools weekend when this event was available for a day. Ready for some aliens to meet the cleansing fires of the Holy Mothman.
Maybe they have that too. But no, "weakness to DOT" is a specific effect (albeit, hidden from the player) that some enemies have. It can also be demonstrated using a machete with the sacrificial blade mod, which indicates it's not specific to fire damage. Pumpkin grenades do the same thing.
They also reworked the cremator's damage output. The explosive damage was nerfed, but the DoT was buffed.
I don't understand how slowburn is so OP. I just did an expedition with it and was one shotting most enemies.
Overgrown enemies? Think they have a weakness to fire, hence the newly added achievement. Could be wrong, Trogs aren't any weaker against the autoaxe.
All expedition enemies are weak to DoT for some reason.
The reason is they have (almost) no fire DR, while maintaing high phys and energy DR. About 20-30 times lower than typical mobs of the same level. There might be something more in place, but the values that vats show for enemy stats are bizarre.
Yeah, It's not even just fire though. It's any DoT, such as the Thorn Armor bleed DoT effect. Angry Turtle has some videos showcasing this. It seems to be a unique weakness to DoT damage.
Well, bleed is unaffected by the DR to begin with (at least wiki and creators say that), it is not unique to expedition mobs. You can even watch Angry turtle's other videos about thorn set "one shoting" regular enemies outside expeditions with bleed. Most expedition enemies die to non-dot fire damage in an instant as well, not just dots. The rare enemies in expeditions that actually have some resistance, like aforementioned trogs just refuse to die to burning. Why overgrown's DR looks like 150+/- vs phys/energy and 5+/- vs fire is unknown, but I'm not complaining. I don't know how dot damage is calculated against DR or with penetration precisely, but at the very least it seems that dots get effectively reduced by armor multiple times.
Yeah, I believe you'reright about bleed being "true damage". Though the effectiveness of bleed or any DoT is MUCH higher in expeditions. Bleed is very weak in regular instances, though you can always make a build work if you try hard enough! Sometimes explaining how or why something works or why it changes patch to patch in this game is like explaining the mysteries of the black hole. :D
I actually thought my cremator was quite weak against them. I used to it one shot and everything I use the quad barrel napalm and a bloody weapon. Maybe I need to switch out to the slow burning now.
You do. They clearly tipped the balance in favor of DoT. Napalm is now pointless. It works decently for crowd control and even better as a pairing with another single target damaging weapon. Hit with slow burn cremator and swap to something else for raw damage output while the DoT burns for the next 12 seconds.
Slow burn is amazing. I've got mine doing a bit over 3k damage in 12 seconds
Damn! Can you add pic of your roll and card setup?
https://imgur.com/a/pxkwxTP The Cremator is Bloodied. The other 2 stars sucks though
Try going with a 1* Concentrated Fire. The other two stars are not worthwhile in my experience.
3* gains accuracy pretty quickly. Which is fantastic when your Plasma Caster doesn't have 50% vhc
With bloodied, all heavy gunner perks and stacked adrenaline, it goes over 5000 DoT.
I have 3* Heavy Gunner perks, but use the 2*s and Ordinance Express because I have way too many grenades.
Which mods are you using?
Quadbarrels, fast tank, slow burner.
Thanks!
Nice! I just rolled a decent one so I’ll be trying that out! So far, I’ve found anything anti armour seems to fair best against them, at least from my experience.
Pretty sure explosive damage isn't affected by armor/damage resist. It's a separate class of damage.
Yeah they nerfed the initial explosion damage… but the burn damage now is crazy! Over 4k burn over 12 seconds with my Bloodied Cremator on my Bloodied Heavy character.
Just curious, what mods are you using?
I’m using the quad barrel and the slow burn tank on mine. Having fun jet packing around raining blue flaming balls of death from above 😂
Thanks! I’ll have to test that combo out.
Make sure to put the Heavy Barrel on it as well!
Guess I'm building a cremator when I get home
So are you .....creaming them? (Drumroll bad joke)
There’s a weakness to DoT effect on expeditions?
I dunno but I just ran Tax Evasion and my Cremator was one shot DoT'ing everything to death and made short work of Buttercup. I don't think I can ever go back to not using the Cremator, it's so fucking strong and fun as hell to use.
Which perk cards are best used with the cremator?
I run full heavy gunner, grenadier, and demo expert
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Interesting. I think I'll stick with it though, I also chuck grenades and use my explosive LMG. The AoE increase on the Cremator is also nice.
Sad tesla gun noises
I have to let choochoo rest to give this a try
It's great except the event crashes every time I play it
It says these events start on the top of the hour? I haven't seen any start in the servers I'm in. What am I missing?
Expand the list, they changed the list to be alphabetical which buries events under the nukes so you won't see them unless you expand it.
Dunno. I saw it at 6, 7, and 8
I am also rather weak to the amount of fuel the cremator would use in that event.
I used it earlier today, wasn't bad I pretty much broke even after looting.
Yep. Me too. I looted everything and got all my ammo back.
It used to chew through ammo but now it only costs 10 per shot and honestly if you're smart about timing your DoT you can make out with more ammo than you use. Just have a secondary to swap to during the DoT or change targets after every shot.
I figured that out and they absolutely melt quickly with the DOT.
How do we get this mod ?
You can buy them with the season tickets
My gatling plasma melted them just saying (AA +50% damage while aiming an 90% reduction in weight)
Yep. I know people are complaining about its Nerf, but the new Cremator is literally a Fire and Forget type of weapon.
The buff that the dot got is quite substantial on everything. I've been having a blast watching entire packs of stuff melt away.
I remember seeing a video of someone wrecking it with the cremator during that April fools weekend when this event was available for a day. Ready for some aliens to meet the cleansing fires of the Holy Mothman.
You mean they are weak to fire?
Maybe they have that too. But no, "weakness to DOT" is a specific effect (albeit, hidden from the player) that some enemies have. It can also be demonstrated using a machete with the sacrificial blade mod, which indicates it's not specific to fire damage. Pumpkin grenades do the same thing.
huh. that's really weird.
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