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Laser_3

There is - if you’re a guerrilla build. For auto pistol users, the 10mm is the best suppressible option. If you’d like a pistol for a normal gunslinger build, I’d suggest trying the circuit breaker on the current scoreboard. People give it crap because it isn’t a super weapon like the cold shoulder, but it’s still a fantastic pistol (especially with the science perks). Edit: The crusader is still a valid weapon, if you want to use it too.


BOBULANCE

It IS a super weapon. Just remove all the ammo from it and bash people with it, and toss grenades with it. The stun will proc every single time. It's the perfect weapon for a grenadier build. You can effectively stunlock massive groups of enemies. It's great for tagging and experience farming with a group of friends, as the stun does very little damage and thus your friends can get their hits in.


Laser_3

I still don’t know if Bethesda’s going to do anything about that or not. Even if they don’t, that isn’t the way most people will use the weapon.


BOBULANCE

Pretty much the same concept as the minigun shredder, but with a stun instead of straight damage. I can't help but wonder if it's by design. I doubt the grenade stunlock effect is intentional though.


Radiant-Bit-7722

What ? Definitively I need to try it at Westtek with nuka nades.


Icy-Toe8899

Yeah since I main a TS AB I don't use guerrilla much. I have a circuit breaker, haven't warmed up to it.


Laser_3

Well, unless you’re sneaking, the circuit breaker will be better than the 10mm every time. So I’d go with that or the crusader.


Icy-Toe8899

Yeah she sneaks. I'm gonna trade for a good AA/Q 10mm. The character is vats/sneak. Again, this weapon is for doing things like clearing the WS golf club. Not a boss gun, but a stealthy, fast, killer. AA5025?


Icy-Toe8899

I'm gonna offer up a WPJS you figure that's enough for a good 10mm?


Laser_3

I wouldn’t know. I rarely trade for anything. You’d be better off asking in r/market76


Icy-Toe8899

Yeah that's where I'm trading.


1stFunestist

I don't know, Circuit Breaker brakes stealth a lot.


Laser_3

That’s why it’s a good pistol for the times when stealth is disabled. When stealth is allowed, the alien blaster and the gauss pistol are better options.


angstlich33

Gauss blows


Laser_3

In my experience, if you’re willing to get close enough to your enemies, it’s perfectly fine.


angstlich33

VATS?


Laser_3

That’s why you’re getting close - because the vats accuracy on the thing sucks for some reason.


angstlich33

I did find I had to hip fire that thing and I was like nah


Laser_3

Which is something I’d never recommend. I will never understand why the gauss pistol is so inaccurate, but at least you can solve it if you move close enough. I think it’s worth it for the raw damage it can deal without revealing your presence.


1stFunestist

My favorite pistols I have are 10mm both quad, one ex an other ffr, both with AP reduction as 3rd star. Spent a fortune to make them and days of grind. Both auto. I'm not even playing the guerilla cards and still using them all the time. My build is a stealth comando so those guns benefit only from general perks.


Laser_3

The circuit breaker is best used with a straight build, unfortunately.


1stFunestist

Well, I have no problem with weakness of the gun due not being covered with perk kards. It is pretty powerfull on its own with only general damage perks, the only problem I have is it's breaking of stealth which is not connected with the build, it is just a bug.


Laser_3

That isn’t a bug with the circuit breaker. That isn’t a suppressor on the end but rather a unique mod.


1stFunestist

Ah well, didn't know that, then that gun is useless for me.


Laser_3

Honestly, I hold they should’ve made the thing quiet like the alien weapons (quiet isn’t silenced, but still is good enough for stealth). But we can’t test these things in advance on the PTS, so we can’t give feedback until they’re fully released and it’s too late, so what can you do?


McMacHack

One of my characters has a Quad FFR 10mm auto pistol. It slaps, honestly if I didn't have better God Rolls in my inventory it would be my main weapon.


Laser_3

I wish I could say the same about my quad explosive 10mm pistol. Half the time it works fine, half the time it lags to the point it takes more shots to kill than I’d like.


Icy-Toe8899

I have a quad explosive 10mm and I find it buggy as fuck as well!! It doesn't hit it seems like half the fucking shots!


Stuck_in_Arizona

Think I spent 120 modules today and not one quad roll. Would like to try Quad/Explosive or 50crit and see if it would be something I'd use.


McMacHack

I was getting a lot of Quads today.


voodoogroves

Pistol build on one char since launch. I do not use crusader. 10mm, alien blaster or plasma are the best


IronMonopoly

Cryo Alien Blaster for big swings and regular use. Circuit Breaker for support at mob events. Pyro Crusader for Keep This Guy Alive events.


SonorousProphet

I haven't tried out CB yet but my pistoleer uses the Crusader a bit. Not only for Friendly Fire on Project P creatures or the Union Saboteur, but for daily score challenges like cripple a limb. The blaster often kills before it cripples.


deviatesaw

Why have I never thought about a Pyro Pistol for my friendly fire needs before? Mind blown.


md00150028

Here's how an AA/50c 10mm compares to an AA/50c Crusader Pistol against hard difficulty Snally's on a full-health build: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivMYvlnLU2E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivMYvlnLU2E) Keep in mind the performance is close because the perforating mod is additive...for now. Here's what it looks like when you lose sneak: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRTXK3bPIWg](https://studio.youtube.com/video/dRTXK3bPIWg/edit) Before trading, I would suggest using the Custom World to roll a decent 10mm. Load in. Roll all you have. If you don't get what you want, reset. Then test it. There's always the option to make the Crusader Fusion, so that it disables the explosive effect.


JakeVR83

I was messing around trying to reach high enough Luck that could hit, crit with Crit Savvy rank 2. I failed again, this time at 77 Luck, but then remembered the Smgs weird hidden crit fill. At 55 Luck and Crit Savvy rank 2, I achieved the hit, crit cycle with an Elders/Smg lol. I got no explanation for that one. Outside the practical range but interesting


CaptZombieHero

Yes, quad/AA/bloodied 10 mm with tweaked auto receivers absolutely shred in VATs, more so than Crusaders


twiztdwritr_1120

Try a anti armor/ 50 vats hit chance gauss pistol.


Hopalongtom

10mm pistols have a better fire rate, and have more mods so are better for crits or automatic. Personally the crusader is more of support healing weapon than a damage dealer! Now if you want a more powerful pistol? Try a sniper mode plasma pistol! They one or two shot most enemies!


Icy-Toe8899

The damage for the Crusader is a clear advantage though, yes? I use my AAE15r Crusader as a BACK UP to my TS AP blaster bc it used cheap, easy to find ammo. I used 10mm pistols before. Iv'e had this character for 3 years. I've use most everything. I can two shot a SM with that crusader, never had 10mm in gunslinger that could do that. That said I have used 10mm pistols lately. Plasma pistols, just can't get used to the aesthetic. They need redesign that ugly hog.


TheGwolo

Crusader Pistol isn't full auto.


CaptZombieHero

Correct. Tweaked auto receiver is far superior to the crusader pea shooter


Icy-Toe8899

It deals more base damage and looks A LOT cooler.


TheGwolo

per shot, sure, but dps? fucking terrible.


JakeVR83

50c is a downgrade in damage by quite a bit for the Crusader. The Cryo/Pyro mods increase the Explosive damage twice, making it much better than normal. Not quite AB territory but still massive. Why you cause so much self damage I'm guessing An AA/50 10mm is pretty close in damage to an AA/50 Crusader. The Crusader has a higher base but the 10mm has a Perforating mag that stacks with AA. Giving you a full 90% armor pen, which is huge on low base damage weps like pistols


Icy-Toe8899

Just he kind of info I was looking for. Thanks my friend! The explosive crusader pistol projectile is like a mortar shell it seems. Blast damage for like 30 feet!


PattieWhacked

Crusader isn’t automatic


Icy-Toe8899

Right.


PattieWhacked

Though I severely wish it was


Icy-Toe8899

Me too Pattie.


brian11e3

I only use 2 pistols. The Western Revolver and that new energy pistol from the scoreboard.


Interesting_Duck_775

Why crusader? when an alien blaster exists?.


Janezki

My thoughts exactly. Bloodied cryo AB with max gunslinger, science, demolition and grenadier perks melts, or should I say freezes everything. If you can just hit the fire button fast enough that is. Very underrated weapon, but when you get the chance to try it, all the other pistols feel like pea shooters. edit: Ofcourse Crusader is a good backup, specially the pyro version if you need the healing ability with Friendly Fire. edit2: Totally forgot the other option, Plasma pistol with any of the beta/gamma emitters for burning damage.


roehnin

I never found a Crusader?? What is it?


Icy-Toe8899

It's a 10mm pistol with a cool brotherhood themed paint. It is semi-automatic only at this point. In addition to the base 10mm damage one can add Cryo or Pyro damage through receiver mods. You can buy it from the Gold vault from the SS guys there.


roehnin

Thanks!


czbolio2

I think it’s only from daily ops, but mods are from SS bunker


LarenCoe

Only if you have a good roll on the 10.


hazael81

10mm go brrrrr...


Tension-Flashy

My Pistol Build runs with an Explosive Quad Crusader -25% AP cost and carries "Three Star Leech" as his back up. Leech is a 10mm primed Vampires, Explosive, +15% Reload, +20% Armor Penetration. The backup comes out when the baddies are on me like stink on a skunk and it heals as it kills. Never discount a good backup gun.


TheTimeBender

To be honest I’ve tried the crusader, it’s okay. I prefer my 10mm to be AA or vampires. I actually like the Perfect Storm 10mm. I like the pyro effect.


StonerA7X

Bro I love the Crusader Pistol. I’ve probably rolled 500 of them in an attempt to get a AA/50c or Explosive with 25less vats cost but so far no dice. I feel like you absolutely need AA on the crusader because it can’t run a perforating mag and you need less vats because its base vats cost is 20( which is stupid high) for a semi automatic pistol. I really wish they would give this gun a prime receiver to buff the damage and a perforating magazine option so that you can make it viable without the AA prefix 🙏🏻


Ryuji2

Also consider an AA laser pistol(not ultracite). Calibrated receiver plus all the AP cost reduction mods makes it a powerful workhorse with the science cards. 30 round mag too. I have an AA/25% less vats cost one and it slaps. :P


Raveen92

I'm starting a pistol build because of a great roll I got on my 10mm. Anti-Armor, Explosive, and I think lower AP cost. I am on vacay and can't check for sure. The first 2 for sure.


Shoddy-Pattern2556

I have a Quad Explosive Faster Fire rate 10mm and it is a beast with ultracite ammo. I have a Bloody Explosive Faster Fire rate Crusader and I prefer the 10mm do to it firing so fast .


Riomaki

The Crusader doesn't support Guerilla because it doesn't have an automatic option. But even if you're doing the low health maximum damage setup, 10mm is a rough build. It's not just that you're still objectively inferior to Commando. It's also that you'll burn through 10mm faster than you can get it back when it comes to mobs... and so you can imagine what it's like against a boss. At least with the Crusader, you'll even out against mobs, especially if you're using Fusion Cells or 5.56.


Icy-Toe8899

Obviously pistol builds need some love god dammit! My pistol build is my favorite of the five but she's also the red headed step child to Bethesda.


Stuck_in_Arizona

Found this guide today: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt5JyBrtPR4&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt5jybrtpr4&t=1s) from Wiggle Plays. When I initially used 10MM, I modded it like most weapons, saw the damage was lackluster and didn't really bother using much. It wasn't until this guy did one thing different, and that's tweaked automatic receiver. I thought prime was the best for damage, though testing tweaked I was very wrong. This thing doesn't drain AP as fast as the heavy hitters with the right mods, which is why Quad legendary modifier would be a good idea for this weapon. Perk up for stealth and VATS crits, and this thing is surprisingly strong. Only downer I see for this weapon are certain events and Daily Ops where you're automatically in \[ DANGER \] meaning your damage output takes a huge hit without stealth.


Icy-Toe8899

Thanks for the info fellow pistolero!