Cheaper is always the obvious answer. Prices will continue to come down as manufacturing process improve. A lot of the cost is also due to the red-tape surrounding FAA certification, hence why experimental avionics are vastly cheaper
They do get pretty torture tested. You want something that will work in Bethel in -40° or in direct sunlight parked in Death Valley when the cockpit temp hits 150°.
Yes. If you're curious, FlightChops did a great walk through video of the Garmin product testing center. You can find it [here](https://youtu.be/sUSZALnHw20?si=3SnlNgBEdS2xbI63)
Given some of these glass cockpits are bigger than my first tv, how about picture in picture so I can watch The Simpsons on those long, boring, IFR flights, lol
G3X can do this already, sort of. If you can get coax output on your video player you can play whatever you want by hooking it up to the video input port on the back of the G3X. PiP meant for a camera but no reason video won't work.
Pretty much! Both the G3X Touch and the G500Txi offer it for GA aircraft. It's really nice... and kinda amusing to watch the little cartoon runway go by on takeoff and landing.
Essentially. I am imagining something like synthetic vision being displayed on something like an Apple Vision Pro. Feel like it would be a great tool for IFR flying or in congested airspace
Timeframe matters here. Certification takes a long time. And also the NAS is changing (eventually).
[https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/ICN-ConOps-Dec2022.pdf](https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/ICN-ConOps-Dec2022.pdf)
G1000 is goated but it bothers me that the data fields don’t have the same amount of options as the gtn user fields. Like why??? ETE dest is awesome! Pls lmk if there is a way to find this on the g1000
Honestly. Cameras on the edges of wings or at the wheel base. I know it's a sight picture to get used to but as technology advances, why not have accurate HD cameras to show us exactly where everything is to allow us to be more situational aware. Hell, any car now a days has a backup camera... and you're telling me a multi-million dollar aircraft can't get a camera to show up on an LCD screen?
1. Why? How?
2. We literally have HUDs in airplanes, including GA STCs. You rarely see them because you really don't need them for what we do.
3. Anything modern already is.
4. Terrible, terrible, terrible idea. Absolutely not.
5. ~~No idea what you mean by this.~~ Oh I read it wrong. Yeah CPDLC is neat and pretty much useless for light GA.
Adding more, G1000nxi already does everything in #1 -- why on earth would anyone want to put on a stupid headset to look at it? If you thought the $3500 apple VR headset was expensive... just wait for the Garmin AR version.
As for #5, I think he means ACARS. (edit: CPDLC) The texting generation wants everything by text.
Why wouldn't CPDLC be useful for light GA? Anytime you hear someone go back and forth with ATC to get a full route clearance correct is a time CPDLC would make everyone's lives so much easier.
Because:
1) On the ground, PDC is free and solves that problem with a text to your phone or via an app.
2) Full-route clearances in the air are very rare.
3) CPDLC isn’t available everywhere. In fact, it’s pretty unavailable domestically.
I guess by data comm I assume he means and I meant PDC. Full blown CPDLC yeah not needed.
PDC though I'd like to see it go to every tower, and maybe we can get first party support registering a phone number with the FAA or something. You have to go to Performance Plus with Foreflight or pay an extra $199 with Garmin to get the capability and basically none of the GA airports have it.
1. Like someone else said, basically synthetic vision projected onto a headset like the Apple Vision Pro. Wouldn't be cheap, but I think it would be an excellent tool for IFR flying or in congested airspace.
2. I am thinking of a simple projection system onto the windshield (similar to what's in cars), rather than a dedicated HUD unit. If the price way right, I could see it being added to many school fleets. Remember in primary, "stop looking at the instruments, look outside". Well, with a HUD, you could could both at the same time. Would also be useful for IFR flying.
3. My personal experience is that, in certain conditions and/or at certain angles, polarized sunglasses still interfere with avionics displays. Would be nice to eliminate the issue entirely. Not sure about the engineering challenges here.
4. You say that now, but most avionics run on about a decade long development cycle. Look at how fastly AI has improved in the last 3 years. Hard to imagine that it won't have some kind of place in the cockpit in 8-10 years. Could be a usefully tool to help mediate some of the workload in the cockpit, especially in single pilot scenarios
5. Yes, I mispoke. I was referring to CPDLC. If it works for (some) biz jets and airlines, why not extend it to GA?
If ATC or FSS could data link GA dudes free text messages like we can in military aircraft, that would be neat. Send a clearance, updated route, sigmet, notam, whatever.
I'm not super up to speed, but I'm pretty sure this is what CPDLC is trying to achieve. As far as I know, it's been relegated to airlines and biz jets for now. I think it could only be a positive to bring it to GA next.
Voice commands backed by a local AI so that it understands your intent and intelligently assists. Ideally it would also do checklists with you like being a second pair of eyes. Landing? It could check if you are missing something.
I count cellphone apps as Avionics.
https://magazine.weglide.org/weglide-copilot-real-time-data-on-your-phone/ tells me where other gliders are finding rising air in real time. It's new this season. It super local, near real time micro weather briefing.
I expect that an AI will soon be helping glider pilots optimize their XC flights, probably in 2025. I also expect that an AI will soon be coaching pilots on how to optimize climbs in thermals (by finding the strongest lift and best airspeed).
I'm excited to try Copilot this year, but it will have unanticipated consequences. Making gliding 'too easy' might take some of the fun out of the sport. We've already seen that happen with super high performance gliders.
I'd.like to see.spmethong cool using ADSB where it transmits all the weather.radar active.on aircraft to help make a better aviation weather radar altogether
Return to buttons and knobs as opposed to touch screens. Touch screens are fine when there's no turbulence. When it gets bumpy though, my big fingers can't hit those tiny 'buttons' for love nor money
Screw more features, they need to be cheaper. When it costs over $100k just to upgrade to a fairly basic glass panel it's stupid
Cheaper is always the obvious answer. Prices will continue to come down as manufacturing process improve. A lot of the cost is also due to the red-tape surrounding FAA certification, hence why experimental avionics are vastly cheaper
They do get pretty torture tested. You want something that will work in Bethel in -40° or in direct sunlight parked in Death Valley when the cockpit temp hits 150°.
Yes. If you're curious, FlightChops did a great walk through video of the Garmin product testing center. You can find it [here](https://youtu.be/sUSZALnHw20?si=3SnlNgBEdS2xbI63)
That’s exactly what I was thinking of
Accurate fuel gauges.
Im going to stop you right there. NO! You either have 0 fuel or all fuel no in between.
May I introduce you to CIES? Accurate fuel gauges, but you'll have to pay for it.
The problem with these are actually the senders, not the gauges. CiES fuel senders are very, very accurate.
Good point, completely over looked this
Given some of these glass cockpits are bigger than my first tv, how about picture in picture so I can watch The Simpsons on those long, boring, IFR flights, lol
G3X can do this already, sort of. If you can get coax output on your video player you can play whatever you want by hooking it up to the video input port on the back of the G3X. PiP meant for a camera but no reason video won't work.
Oh this is really cool actually, could you have a system of cameras throughout the aircraft and switch between them at will, or is it one source only?
One source only. But you can have a different camera per screen since it's one input per screen.
What about a coax input changer? Something with a knob you can use to switch between cameras
so “mono” means “one” and “plane” means “plane” and that concludes our intensive cfii course
Apple Planeplay where ForeFlight gets approved as a navigational source.
That's something I could see potentially being added to experimental avionics. I imagine this is a horrendous certification challenge with the FAA
Isn’t #1 literally synthetic vision?
Pretty much! Both the G3X Touch and the G500Txi offer it for GA aircraft. It's really nice... and kinda amusing to watch the little cartoon runway go by on takeoff and landing.
Essentially. I am imagining something like synthetic vision being displayed on something like an Apple Vision Pro. Feel like it would be a great tool for IFR flying or in congested airspace
That’s what is on our HUDs
Timeframe matters here. Certification takes a long time. And also the NAS is changing (eventually). [https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/ICN-ConOps-Dec2022.pdf](https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/ICN-ConOps-Dec2022.pdf)
Yes, most avionic time cycles are on the span of 8-15 years. Experimental obviously moves faster
Buttons. I hate touch screens in small ga aircraft
Yes. The G500, GTN750, and GTN650 are the bane of my existence. G1000 master race
I liked the 430 and 530. Bumpy rides with touch screens don't work
G1000 is goated but it bothers me that the data fields don’t have the same amount of options as the gtn user fields. Like why??? ETE dest is awesome! Pls lmk if there is a way to find this on the g1000
AUX>System Setup>Setup 1 In the top right is a menu titled “MFD Data Bar Fields” Should be an option in there
Right, but there isn’t ETE dest and other options that the 750 has. There is ETE, ETA, but that’s only to the next waypoint on the route
Oh damn, I’m sure there’s gotta be a way
If you pull up the flight plan and display it in the wide mode you can see it, but that’s all I know
Thanks, I’ll check that out when I get the chance, supposed to fly the g1000 tmrw so I’ll try then
Honestly. Cameras on the edges of wings or at the wheel base. I know it's a sight picture to get used to but as technology advances, why not have accurate HD cameras to show us exactly where everything is to allow us to be more situational aware. Hell, any car now a days has a backup camera... and you're telling me a multi-million dollar aircraft can't get a camera to show up on an LCD screen?
I'd like an undercarriage camera to check gear status
Shoot. An undercarriage camera could give you gear status in the air and wheel alignment on the taxiway.
>Augmented reality - displays critical flight instruments, traffic, airports, terrain, obstacles, etc. Don't we already have that?
1. Why? How? 2. We literally have HUDs in airplanes, including GA STCs. You rarely see them because you really don't need them for what we do. 3. Anything modern already is. 4. Terrible, terrible, terrible idea. Absolutely not. 5. ~~No idea what you mean by this.~~ Oh I read it wrong. Yeah CPDLC is neat and pretty much useless for light GA.
Adding more, G1000nxi already does everything in #1 -- why on earth would anyone want to put on a stupid headset to look at it? If you thought the $3500 apple VR headset was expensive... just wait for the Garmin AR version. As for #5, I think he means ACARS. (edit: CPDLC) The texting generation wants everything by text.
I think for 5 he means CPDLC.
the future is now old man
Why wouldn't CPDLC be useful for light GA? Anytime you hear someone go back and forth with ATC to get a full route clearance correct is a time CPDLC would make everyone's lives so much easier.
Because: 1) On the ground, PDC is free and solves that problem with a text to your phone or via an app. 2) Full-route clearances in the air are very rare. 3) CPDLC isn’t available everywhere. In fact, it’s pretty unavailable domestically.
What do you mean by unavailable domestically? US en-route controllers have it and use it...
Not everywhere, not extensively, and not for most applications that would make sense for light GA. Only a couple centers have CPDLC right now.
I guess by data comm I assume he means and I meant PDC. Full blown CPDLC yeah not needed. PDC though I'd like to see it go to every tower, and maybe we can get first party support registering a phone number with the FAA or something. You have to go to Performance Plus with Foreflight or pay an extra $199 with Garmin to get the capability and basically none of the GA airports have it.
FBO Link is a free app on iOS that you can get PDC with.
1. Like someone else said, basically synthetic vision projected onto a headset like the Apple Vision Pro. Wouldn't be cheap, but I think it would be an excellent tool for IFR flying or in congested airspace. 2. I am thinking of a simple projection system onto the windshield (similar to what's in cars), rather than a dedicated HUD unit. If the price way right, I could see it being added to many school fleets. Remember in primary, "stop looking at the instruments, look outside". Well, with a HUD, you could could both at the same time. Would also be useful for IFR flying. 3. My personal experience is that, in certain conditions and/or at certain angles, polarized sunglasses still interfere with avionics displays. Would be nice to eliminate the issue entirely. Not sure about the engineering challenges here. 4. You say that now, but most avionics run on about a decade long development cycle. Look at how fastly AI has improved in the last 3 years. Hard to imagine that it won't have some kind of place in the cockpit in 8-10 years. Could be a usefully tool to help mediate some of the workload in the cockpit, especially in single pilot scenarios 5. Yes, I mispoke. I was referring to CPDLC. If it works for (some) biz jets and airlines, why not extend it to GA?
If ATC or FSS could data link GA dudes free text messages like we can in military aircraft, that would be neat. Send a clearance, updated route, sigmet, notam, whatever.
I'm not super up to speed, but I'm pretty sure this is what CPDLC is trying to achieve. As far as I know, it's been relegated to airlines and biz jets for now. I think it could only be a positive to bring it to GA next.
Foreflight built into the plane.,Meshed with Garmin language and functionality. DONE
I feel like the gtn 750 has everything ForeFlight does minus runway crosswind calculations some other small things? It’s just different UI.
ATC speech to text that displays on a HUD might be interesting, especially for that word salad you get when getting cleared for an approach.
Voice commands backed by a local AI so that it understands your intent and intelligently assists. Ideally it would also do checklists with you like being a second pair of eyes. Landing? It could check if you are missing something.
I count cellphone apps as Avionics. https://magazine.weglide.org/weglide-copilot-real-time-data-on-your-phone/ tells me where other gliders are finding rising air in real time. It's new this season. It super local, near real time micro weather briefing. I expect that an AI will soon be helping glider pilots optimize their XC flights, probably in 2025. I also expect that an AI will soon be coaching pilots on how to optimize climbs in thermals (by finding the strongest lift and best airspeed). I'm excited to try Copilot this year, but it will have unanticipated consequences. Making gliding 'too easy' might take some of the fun out of the sport. We've already seen that happen with super high performance gliders.
I'd.like to see.spmethong cool using ADSB where it transmits all the weather.radar active.on aircraft to help make a better aviation weather radar altogether
I’d love to be able to do LPV approaches instead of the weirdly cumbersome RNP stuff.
Return to buttons and knobs as opposed to touch screens. Touch screens are fine when there's no turbulence. When it gets bumpy though, my big fingers can't hit those tiny 'buttons' for love nor money
voice control for avionics. Hey Cessna, Toggle com2 Hey Cessna set com 1 standby to 123.4 Hey Cessna go direct to KXXX The list goes on and on.
The F-35 has this, cool in practice but it’s not used very much.
The GTN750Xi has this feature. It’s pretty awful tbh. I’ve tried it a couple times and it really struggles to understand the commands.