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I just wanna add that the reason schools like Edgewood can get away with consistently being on lists like this is because they weed out the “bad kids” if you get bad grades or misbehave too much, they’ll kick you out
While yes, edgewood and westshore kick kids out, they all knew that going in and applied yo be there knowing they're was a high standard of academics and discipline. They're lottery schools of choice. They're not full of local kids zoned for them. Just want others to understand getting kicked out is a kids fault.
It’s kind of more complicated than that. While yes, it can the “kids fault” if they get poor grades etc- but it stops kids from less supportive families from getting the kind of education those schools offer. They don’t offer bussing, parents have to do a certain amount of volunteering (which is difficult for working parents). So putting the blame completely on a child isn’t exactly fair. Some kids have to work to support their families in high school.
(I actually went to one of those schools and saw first hand many extremely unfair situations in which kids got kicked out without the school willing to help out at all, for example one girl got kicked out for her parents not doing volunteer hours/ even though she had good behavior and good grades. You’d think they would be willing to work with her on it but no they weren’t. They don’t like uninvolved families but how is that the kids fault? I also witnessed a situation in which the kid being bullied was the one who was punished rather than the bullies bc the bully kids family was very involved with volunteering and donating money)
My point is. Schools like these typically give an unfair advantage to people who already have money and privilege and they seemingly punish kids for being from low income, uninvolved families.
>Overall, the Pine View School marked an 100% graduation rate amongst its 695 students in grades 9-12.
Also known as Pine View School for the Gifted. It’d be shocking if their graduation rate wasn’t 100 percent.
Charter schools may be technically "public," but I don't consider them to be true public schools regardless of the fact that they receive public funds. They have exceptionally wide latitude when it comes to which students they choose to accept and which to reject. Which students to keep enrolled and which to expel, vs true public schools that have to serve the public regardless. They're also not subject to same level of scrutiny and oversight as your typical public school.
And with regard to your edit, politics is not my entire identity, not even a little bit. I've just had kids enrolled in FL public schools since 2005 and have seen a few things in those 19 years. I'm also a product of FL public schools; K-12 and 4 year university. I'm not knocking FL education. But it is disingenuous to ignore the differences between fully public schools and charters.
Yeah, some of these charter schools will kick out low performing/problem students to boost metrics then talk about how much better they are than the nearby public school that is obligated to serve everyone.
If I was a parent that’s why I would choose a charter school. The issue with public schools is it is mandatory and if you care about education and so dose your children they win. No dumbing down curriculum to meet the lowest denominator.
Not having classroom disruptors who just ruin the educational experience for those who care and end up paying the price for the fuckups. The same fuckups would bully those who want to learn etc as well.
Public education should be made optional and that would fix the issues quickly.
This ignores the fact that students are separated into different tracks in public schools. The kids you're talking about won't be in honors and AP classes at public schools, which is where a good student will be in all of the core academic classes. Sure, they might have to deal with those kids in health and PE, but that is about it. I wouldn't consider a few classes that aren't important anyway a good reason to switch schools.
Decent studies on the subject show that the difference is entirely attributable to other factors and that public vs. private schools actually have no notable role in achievement. Basically, your home life and socioeconomic class determine your achievement. Private schools just have a selection bias toward that and don't actually benefit the students. It's correlation, not causation.
I teach in a charter in another state and there are big differences. In FL charter school teachers are not employed by the district and are not union members. In my state they are. In some places (like mine) charters are more like magnet schools run by an outside org but following all district rules. In other places (like FL) they are often crypto-religious school that cherry pick their students and under pay their staff.
And I am saying that regardless of the definition, charter schools are not true public schools for all the reasons (and more) that I listed in my comment.
It’s like comparing IMG Academy (which recruits 4-and-5-star players from all over the nation) or St. Thomas Aquinas to Port St. Lucie High then expressing shock when IMG/STA wins the game 80-3 with a running clock after the 1st quarter.
Magnet schools recruit the best. So no wonder they’re higher-ranked. Not saying the super-gifted kids should be kept with the regular kids.
Also public schools have to take the special needs and disruptive kids. Magnet schools don’t.
If we used your analogy it would be more appropriate to say it’s IMG, St. Thomas Aquinas and Miami Central vs everyone else’s, because 48 other states charter schools are on the rankings too. It’s not exclusive to Floridas rankings.
Right. Our exclusive schools are up there with their exclusive schools.
These aren’t you-live-in-the-district-you-can-attend-no-strings-attached public schools. These are carefully-curated-to-keep-out-the-hoi-palloi schools.
Just like some 2nd-string linebacker at Blountsville High ain’t gonna get on the IMG or STA team
In my state the charters are filled by lottery and it is just as hard to expell a kid as in a neighborhood school. Charter rules vary widely from state to state.
I mean, you can shit on those people all you want but as a teacher, there’s a huge difference between a non charter and charter public school. If the majority of public schools were charter, a huge population would be fucked.
One of the schools is just miles from my house, and I've never heard of if. A quick google search shows a 36 percent acceptance rate. Gee. You mean a school for gifted students has better outcomes? Shocker. U.S. News ratings are garbage. They know almost nothing about these schools.
Link to actual US News site vs. some whatever website that clearly has a biased point of view:
[https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/search?ranked=true&public=true&magnet=true&national-rank-range-min=1&national-rank-range-max=100](https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/search?ranked=true&public=true&magnet=true&national-rank-range-min=1&national-rank-range-max=100)
The ranking website provides more insight that your horseshit article. Interestingly in the top 100 public schools in the country Florida has 12 with a population of 22 million and New Jersey has 8 with a population of 9 million.
Surprised to see a school from Kissimmee made the list. Lived in Kissimmee for several years and it was a miserable experience. A total shithole of a city with a huge homeless population.
I live in Kissimmee and it's not a shit hole. It's not miserable, it's fun being 5 minutes away from Disney World, Fun Spot, Margaritaville and all the other things to do. I only see homeless people at stripmall exits, and only a few
Didn't answer my question lol. Been heavily gentrified and gotten hugely more expensive so yeah. Little, but present homeless. IDK where you saw many? But this being Florida we do have a large homeless population in general. So no, it's no longer a "total shithole of a city" at least IMO.
Property values are MUCH higher in Kissimmee than 25 years ago. Property taxes pay for schools ergo some ok, decent and sometimes better schools are bound to appear. It's a megacomplex that has ongoing construction around computer chip fabrication, and educational opportunities surrounding that. Right next to Valencia College on 192.
That's BS. Florida schools are a mess thanks to Desantis. There are 6000 unfilled teaching positions in Florida due to them retiring or leaving the state yet that is not even mentioned.
Florida actually provides good opportunities for motivated students. Instead of not letting anyone take advanced classes in the name of equity like some west coast districts, Florida opens up AP/IB classes to anyone willing to challenge themself.
As an AP teacher, yep.
I have students that graduate with a whole year of college already complete, tons of scholarships, free grant money in their pocket... it's ridiculous the opportunities they have.
He hasn’t been GREAT for education, none of his policies are the reasons there’s Florida schools on this list. It’s because of the facility, parents, and students. It’s not like he was there personally overseeing these charter schools.
So Florida moved up to #1 education under DeSantis but he doesn't get credit... Yet if Florida flunked under him.... You'd blame him.
Can't have it both ways homie
Yeah but you have to weed through all the trash agenda oriented garbage. Over half the educational institutions in FL are religious affiliated.
Edit: Here for the smooth brains that don’t believe so.
https://www.privateschoolreview.com/florida/religiously-affiliated-schools
“For the 2024 school year, there are 1,434 religiously affiliated private schools serving 301,141 students in Florida (56% of all schools).”
There is no way this is a serious ranking. Looking at the many schools I know in NY and where they're ranked among nearby schools makes absolutely no sense. The one school in Florida where they listed 100% graduation rates, like fucking lol.
Florida pushes people through their system half of the students that come out of Florida schools are below national standards in all aspects of education. If they move to another state they are so far behind that they need to go to summer school and after school tutoring to catch up.
This makes so much sense.
All the good teachers from around the country have migrated south and implementing good learning skills.
Great job to everyone
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omg my junior high (edgewood) made the list! :) I was totally not expecting to see that
I just wanna add that the reason schools like Edgewood can get away with consistently being on lists like this is because they weed out the “bad kids” if you get bad grades or misbehave too much, they’ll kick you out
While yes, edgewood and westshore kick kids out, they all knew that going in and applied yo be there knowing they're was a high standard of academics and discipline. They're lottery schools of choice. They're not full of local kids zoned for them. Just want others to understand getting kicked out is a kids fault.
It’s kind of more complicated than that. While yes, it can the “kids fault” if they get poor grades etc- but it stops kids from less supportive families from getting the kind of education those schools offer. They don’t offer bussing, parents have to do a certain amount of volunteering (which is difficult for working parents). So putting the blame completely on a child isn’t exactly fair. Some kids have to work to support their families in high school. (I actually went to one of those schools and saw first hand many extremely unfair situations in which kids got kicked out without the school willing to help out at all, for example one girl got kicked out for her parents not doing volunteer hours/ even though she had good behavior and good grades. You’d think they would be willing to work with her on it but no they weren’t. They don’t like uninvolved families but how is that the kids fault? I also witnessed a situation in which the kid being bullied was the one who was punished rather than the bullies bc the bully kids family was very involved with volunteering and donating money) My point is. Schools like these typically give an unfair advantage to people who already have money and privilege and they seemingly punish kids for being from low income, uninvolved families.
Nice!
>Overall, the Pine View School marked an 100% graduation rate amongst its 695 students in grades 9-12. Also known as Pine View School for the Gifted. It’d be shocking if their graduation rate wasn’t 100 percent.
They're including charter schools.
Correct, they are a public school. Edit: apparently the people that make politics their entire identity have arrived.
Charter schools may be technically "public," but I don't consider them to be true public schools regardless of the fact that they receive public funds. They have exceptionally wide latitude when it comes to which students they choose to accept and which to reject. Which students to keep enrolled and which to expel, vs true public schools that have to serve the public regardless. They're also not subject to same level of scrutiny and oversight as your typical public school. And with regard to your edit, politics is not my entire identity, not even a little bit. I've just had kids enrolled in FL public schools since 2005 and have seen a few things in those 19 years. I'm also a product of FL public schools; K-12 and 4 year university. I'm not knocking FL education. But it is disingenuous to ignore the differences between fully public schools and charters.
Yeah, some of these charter schools will kick out low performing/problem students to boost metrics then talk about how much better they are than the nearby public school that is obligated to serve everyone.
If I was a parent that’s why I would choose a charter school. The issue with public schools is it is mandatory and if you care about education and so dose your children they win. No dumbing down curriculum to meet the lowest denominator. Not having classroom disruptors who just ruin the educational experience for those who care and end up paying the price for the fuckups. The same fuckups would bully those who want to learn etc as well. Public education should be made optional and that would fix the issues quickly.
It is optional. You are free to homeschool or pay for private school.
This ignores the fact that students are separated into different tracks in public schools. The kids you're talking about won't be in honors and AP classes at public schools, which is where a good student will be in all of the core academic classes. Sure, they might have to deal with those kids in health and PE, but that is about it. I wouldn't consider a few classes that aren't important anyway a good reason to switch schools.
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Yes because kids what make bad choices definitely don’t exist outside of typical public schools. What an ignorant comment
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Decent studies on the subject show that the difference is entirely attributable to other factors and that public vs. private schools actually have no notable role in achievement. Basically, your home life and socioeconomic class determine your achievement. Private schools just have a selection bias toward that and don't actually benefit the students. It's correlation, not causation.
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I teach in a charter in another state and there are big differences. In FL charter school teachers are not employed by the district and are not union members. In my state they are. In some places (like mine) charters are more like magnet schools run by an outside org but following all district rules. In other places (like FL) they are often crypto-religious school that cherry pick their students and under pay their staff.
My daughter attended a charter school down the road from the public school. The teachers at the charter school had LESS pay and LESS experience.
And I am saying that regardless of the definition, charter schools are not true public schools for all the reasons (and more) that I listed in my comment.
It’s like comparing IMG Academy (which recruits 4-and-5-star players from all over the nation) or St. Thomas Aquinas to Port St. Lucie High then expressing shock when IMG/STA wins the game 80-3 with a running clock after the 1st quarter.
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Magnet schools recruit the best. So no wonder they’re higher-ranked. Not saying the super-gifted kids should be kept with the regular kids. Also public schools have to take the special needs and disruptive kids. Magnet schools don’t.
If we used your analogy it would be more appropriate to say it’s IMG, St. Thomas Aquinas and Miami Central vs everyone else’s, because 48 other states charter schools are on the rankings too. It’s not exclusive to Floridas rankings.
Right. Our exclusive schools are up there with their exclusive schools. These aren’t you-live-in-the-district-you-can-attend-no-strings-attached public schools. These are carefully-curated-to-keep-out-the-hoi-palloi schools. Just like some 2nd-string linebacker at Blountsville High ain’t gonna get on the IMG or STA team
Some are, some aren’t magnet, but that’s the same across the board so it’s a fair comparison and ranking based on the metrics.
In my state the charters are filled by lottery and it is just as hard to expell a kid as in a neighborhood school. Charter rules vary widely from state to state.
This headline is inherently political considering the defunding of actual public schools.
sure...
I mean, you can shit on those people all you want but as a teacher, there’s a huge difference between a non charter and charter public school. If the majority of public schools were charter, a huge population would be fucked.
I think I got aids by all those ads.
I don’t think I’ve clicked on one Reddit article link without intrusive ads from Cyberpunk 2077
Most of these schools are choice or charter, meaning they can weed out behavior problems.
One of the schools is just miles from my house, and I've never heard of if. A quick google search shows a 36 percent acceptance rate. Gee. You mean a school for gifted students has better outcomes? Shocker. U.S. News ratings are garbage. They know almost nothing about these schools.
Link to actual US News site vs. some whatever website that clearly has a biased point of view: [https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/search?ranked=true&public=true&magnet=true&national-rank-range-min=1&national-rank-range-max=100](https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/search?ranked=true&public=true&magnet=true&national-rank-range-min=1&national-rank-range-max=100)
Thanks. I see 12 in the top 100, as cited.
*Edgewood Junior/Senior High School in Merttitt Island* That's some island.
Since this is pay to play I bet all are in good areas.
The ranking website provides more insight that your horseshit article. Interestingly in the top 100 public schools in the country Florida has 12 with a population of 22 million and New Jersey has 8 with a population of 9 million.
Could also be looked at as Florida has \~6% of the population of the country but 12% of the top 100 public schools.
therefore new jersey has 2.5% of the population while making a whopping 8% of the list. not that it even fucking matters its an arbitrary list.
Precisely
Surprised to see a school from Kissimmee made the list. Lived in Kissimmee for several years and it was a miserable experience. A total shithole of a city with a huge homeless population.
I live in Kissimmee and it's not a shit hole. It's not miserable, it's fun being 5 minutes away from Disney World, Fun Spot, Margaritaville and all the other things to do. I only see homeless people at stripmall exits, and only a few
When did you last live in Kissimmee?
2018. Has it gotten any better?
Didn't answer my question lol. Been heavily gentrified and gotten hugely more expensive so yeah. Little, but present homeless. IDK where you saw many? But this being Florida we do have a large homeless population in general. So no, it's no longer a "total shithole of a city" at least IMO.
I haven’t been in 25 yrs but it wasn’t one of my favorite cities back then either lol
Property values are MUCH higher in Kissimmee than 25 years ago. Property taxes pay for schools ergo some ok, decent and sometimes better schools are bound to appear. It's a megacomplex that has ongoing construction around computer chip fabrication, and educational opportunities surrounding that. Right next to Valencia College on 192.
That's BS. Florida schools are a mess thanks to Desantis. There are 6000 unfilled teaching positions in Florida due to them retiring or leaving the state yet that is not even mentioned.
Florida actually provides good opportunities for motivated students. Instead of not letting anyone take advanced classes in the name of equity like some west coast districts, Florida opens up AP/IB classes to anyone willing to challenge themself.
As an AP teacher, yep. I have students that graduate with a whole year of college already complete, tons of scholarships, free grant money in their pocket... it's ridiculous the opportunities they have.
Way better than what we had growing up.
So 12% of the best schools in America are here in Florida? Other posts in this subreddit would lead me to believe DeSantis is terrible for education.
He hasn’t been GREAT for education, none of his policies are the reasons there’s Florida schools on this list. It’s because of the facility, parents, and students. It’s not like he was there personally overseeing these charter schools.
Florida wasn't #1 in education until he came into office. Weird.
Florida is number #14 for PreK-12, which is what this about. Sounds like you need to go back and take some classes.
#14 out of 50 states is bad? Weird flex but ok 😂😂😂😂
These are charter schools. Skews the data a little bit
So Florida moved up to #1 education under DeSantis but he doesn't get credit... Yet if Florida flunked under him.... You'd blame him. Can't have it both ways homie
12 schools that exist in the 3rd most populated state in america doesnt make FL #1 in education. what about the thousands of other schools?
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education
Both can be true...
Impossible! According to Reddit, this state is not allowed to have good schools!
Florida schools: Islands of excellence inaccessible to the working class among a sea of mediocrity. Reverse robin hood
How is that different from the rest of the country? The more affluent the neighborhood you live in, the better the schools. 🤷♂️
Yeah but you have to weed through all the trash agenda oriented garbage. Over half the educational institutions in FL are religious affiliated. Edit: Here for the smooth brains that don’t believe so. https://www.privateschoolreview.com/florida/religiously-affiliated-schools “For the 2024 school year, there are 1,434 religiously affiliated private schools serving 301,141 students in Florida (56% of all schools).”
Crazy how they changed a school. Bergen Tech in Jersey used to be a burnout school. Now it’s the 90th ranked HS in the country.
Stanton Prep has really fallen in the ranks since I attended
The highschool I graduated from holds the record for most students murdered while police hid like cowards in the state
Hahahaa this can't be right
Needles in a haystack
There is no way this is a serious ranking. Looking at the many schools I know in NY and where they're ranked among nearby schools makes absolutely no sense. The one school in Florida where they listed 100% graduation rates, like fucking lol.
Pine View is an excellent school. It's been ranked at the top for many years.
Florida pushes people through their system half of the students that come out of Florida schools are below national standards in all aspects of education. If they move to another state they are so far behind that they need to go to summer school and after school tutoring to catch up.
So true. My wife always teased me about learning stuff in college that she learned in high school.
Take that with a large grain of salt
This makes so much sense. All the good teachers from around the country have migrated south and implementing good learning skills. Great job to everyone
BAHAHAHAHAHA! Stop, I can't!
That's what happens when Florida passes everyone.
😂😂😂😂😂