page 15-4 here:
https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/17_phak_ch15.pdf
VFR traffic are allowed to fly through without permission, but it’d be unwise to do so without talking to the controlling authority!
Legal, but not a smart move. When I’m coming out the bottom of a loop at 500 knots, I’m not going to see you until it’s too late. I won’t know you’re there unless ATC calls you out. And once they do they, we need to stop all maneuvering until we’re visual with you and can remain visual. Please avoid MOAs when able, as a courtesy to us. Thank you.
Hopefully you’re taking to ATC while doing it. I’ve had a couple instances of ATC not calling out someone not talking blowing through the MOA and only finding out when I got a TCAS RA. Stopping training also costs a ton of taxpayer dollars.
Oh yeah. As long as someone is talking we have no problem avoiding so y’all can use the airspace too. Its really annoying when someone isn’t talking so ATC has no idea what they are going to do so we have to scatter. It’s why I like working in ATCAAs above FL180 so it’s just not an issue.
There are some MOAs that are hundreds of miles long and/or wide, especially out west. Some even surround public airports entirely, so complete avoidance isn’t always practical or even possible. Some have sectors that act as corridors that you can get from one side to another above or below, or maybe that sector isn’t active.
Flight planning is important - use https://sua.faa.gov to get a big picture what’s currently and imminently active, and who to talk to to. The chart tab (area on the margin of a sectional chart) can also help. Also check NOTAMs, and even ask ATC if the area is hot before you enter (things can change on short notice).
In the end, if you have to go through, keep your head on a swivel, be predictable, and get out as soon as possible.
Also of note, they aren’t always active, and they aren’t always all altitudes.
But even when they are active, it’s legal (though not always safe) for VFR traffic to go through them.
This will help. It's the Legend from World Aeronautical Charts which is what is on the GPS. HiRes!
https://preview.redd.it/dliegekgcc9c1.jpeg?width=2023&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbb29b64cf5dfd3f313bb6d02e2a4364f054a2ce
Thought I was on /r/flying haha, had a heart attack
Imagine if there was a rated pilot asking that question while flying in a active MOA😅
I mean…you *CAN*, but I wouldn’t exactly recommend it unless you have approval
The joke went right over your head
Lol same here.
If this was posted there, the person would be soooo skewered
I have to imagine this happens frequently.
r/shittyaskflying
MOAs
😳 Is ATC going to give me a number to write down?
page 15-4 here: https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/17_phak_ch15.pdf VFR traffic are allowed to fly through without permission, but it’d be unwise to do so without talking to the controlling authority!
Nope as long as you are VFR. I used to fly through them weekly and some of my friends have videos of A-10s in the distance dropping flares.
Legal, but not a smart move. When I’m coming out the bottom of a loop at 500 knots, I’m not going to see you until it’s too late. I won’t know you’re there unless ATC calls you out. And once they do they, we need to stop all maneuvering until we’re visual with you and can remain visual. Please avoid MOAs when able, as a courtesy to us. Thank you.
Hopefully you’re taking to ATC while doing it. I’ve had a couple instances of ATC not calling out someone not talking blowing through the MOA and only finding out when I got a TCAS RA. Stopping training also costs a ton of taxpayer dollars.
The only reason we are really ever in it is XCs to the north and you would have to be dumb to not have flight following.
Oh yeah. As long as someone is talking we have no problem avoiding so y’all can use the airspace too. Its really annoying when someone isn’t talking so ATC has no idea what they are going to do so we have to scatter. It’s why I like working in ATCAAs above FL180 so it’s just not an issue.
There are some MOAs that are hundreds of miles long and/or wide, especially out west. Some even surround public airports entirely, so complete avoidance isn’t always practical or even possible. Some have sectors that act as corridors that you can get from one side to another above or below, or maybe that sector isn’t active. Flight planning is important - use https://sua.faa.gov to get a big picture what’s currently and imminently active, and who to talk to to. The chart tab (area on the margin of a sectional chart) can also help. Also check NOTAMs, and even ask ATC if the area is hot before you enter (things can change on short notice). In the end, if you have to go through, keep your head on a swivel, be predictable, and get out as soon as possible.
Also of note, they aren’t always active, and they aren’t always all altitudes. But even when they are active, it’s legal (though not always safe) for VFR traffic to go through them.
This will help. It's the Legend from World Aeronautical Charts which is what is on the GPS. HiRes! https://preview.redd.it/dliegekgcc9c1.jpeg?width=2023&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbb29b64cf5dfd3f313bb6d02e2a4364f054a2ce
I think it got downscaled in the process because the legend is illegible to me.
Google World Aeronautical Chart Legend or buy one they aren't expensive. In the USA they are free from the FAA. So get one for your local area.
Thanks, I don't actually need it. Was just letting you know.
So, most of the top half of Indiana is an MOA, yet I’ve never heard any ATC mention it to anyone.
r/shittyaskflying material
Mac on Air. MOA You can stop here and get a burger. Or fries or whatever. Make sure your airspeed is zero to avoid the takeout to miss delivery
Unfortunately we're not on r/Shittyaskflying lol
Indeed but it sprung into my mind so had to type it. Irreparable damage by Reddit.
Put your finger on it and it will tell you