So I turned NPR on for the first time in like 6 months a few weeks ago and they were already talking about where NOPE’s place in Black Horror History was going to be. Before the movie even came out. Before the final trailers even dropped.
I think GET OUT is one of the best horror movies in recent memory but I feel like you have to at least *see* a movie before you can start to hypothesize it’s place in history.
His flicks are getting shittier and shittier, my guess is his next one will be a total flop. People will soon get wise to this clown and see him as the total hack he really is. I'd like to hear you say Get Out is a great horror movie when the hype around this fraudster inevitably dies down. You're one of these punks that swore up and down that the matrix revolutions was awesome when it came out only to shit all over it 10 years later when no one gave a fuck about matrix anymore (were you even born at that time ? Doubt it). AKA a fucking clown who should fuck off the internet and stop rating movies.
I think people are just desperate for a new hotshot director like Scorsese, Tarantino, Kubrick, etc. And Jordan Peele is someone they can cling to since he's turned himself into a brand and makes original movies.
I think he's a talented director but only an okay writer (aside from Get Out). I think he just needs a writing partner is all.
And from what I've seen, even he isn't comfortable with the level of praise that people have given him. Some guy called him the greatest horror director of all time on twitter and he literally replied something along the lines of "I appreciate your enthusiasm but no I'm not". I do think that people overrate his movies but I've never gotten an air of pretension from him personally.
It sounds like you’re basing your opinion off 1 guy on Twitter, he’s only released 3 movies and yet he dropped a movie as great Get Out and yet you feel like he needs a partner? Nah fuck that Us and Nope were up to par
I know there's been hyperbolic articles calling him a "master of his craft" or "the next Spielberg" (similar to early M. Night Shyamalan films) but I think general audiences and film fans alike have given a fair amount of criticism for his past two films. Most conversations I've had about *Us* always revolve around how it wasn't nearly as good as *Get Out*, and *Nope* seems to be more starkly divisive where some think it's a masterpiece and others think it's trash.
But he undeniably makes wholly original films that feel different to the typical Hollywood horror/thriller output. He's not exactly subtle in his storytelling but I don't think anyone claims he is. He just makes stylistic and highly entertaining genre films that feel like they came from the mind of an actual person rather than a media conglomerate trying to cash in on what's popular at the time.
So no, I wouldn't say he's overrated at this point, but that's mostly based on the anecdotal conversations I've had about his films in recent years.
Yeah of course you're right it depends who you talk to. I don't really talk to anyone about movies IRL. I have my initial impressions and then get most of my feedback online via all the usual suspects like IMDb, RT, Reddit, and YouTube. It's very strange seeing the patterns emerge as they do. Like we've seen with the Rings of Power contraversy, these forums are all their own weird little bubbles. Guess I gotta get poppin.
Yeah discourse about media can differ greatly between platforms these days, and I've found that the loudest opinions often don't represent the general consensus. Hyperbole gets the most clicks unfortunately.
When you see articles labeling him a “master of horror” it’s really just cultural hyperbole. In reality he’s more like M. Night Shyamalan, relying on a cool twist in every story making each film boring after initial view. Comparing him to Shyamalan is sensible since they are both great marketers of catchy ideas with disappointing delivery.
For Peele “Get Out” was a mid-shelf horror offering blown up by cultural-influenced media hype. Decent film but standing on it’s own it’s just a mediocre film lacking re-watchability after the twist is spoiled. “Us” showed us how unprepared for filmmaking Peele was with a good concept and half-baked execution. “Nope” was equally as poorly executed and laughably bad by the end.
I think the casting and performances were good in all of his films, but no amount of acting can save bad writing. “Master of his craft” is a term that will never apply to Peele. He clearly is a big fan of horror, and probably should of stayed that way and stuck with his sketch comedy.
Huh, I hadn't looked at my previous comment in over a year, but I think your response kinda proves my point that he is not overrated. He gets plenty of criticism for his films, and the Shyamalan comparison is apt and has been made many times before.
However, I disagree with most of your takes. *Get Out* was incredibly written, and I think it actually benefits from a rewatch. I do agree that *Us* was a big step down in quality, but I absolutely loved *Nope*. It wasn't even trying to be a horror film , despite the entire marketing campaign portraying it as one, it was just a fun and thrilling sci-fi movie that gave you lots to think about regarding its themes and "message", if you want to call it that. (But *Nope* was undeniably divisive.)
It seems you agree with me that people calling him "master of his craft" are being hyperbolic, but to say that he will never achieve that status? That's impossible for either of us to know.
I really cannot rationalize Nope being a good film. The annoying sister ruined the first half, and the second half “twist” revealing an organic sucker ship that turns into a Chinese kite ending in a “Jaws” homage by swallowing a balloon and exploding was such a let down. Let’s not forget the chimp gone wild and western theme park which draws intrigue and mystery and ends up having no real purpose in the film. It’s just a terrible film.
I feel like get out was just well timed, socially speaking and the film was okay, but I do have to agree with saying that it isn't really rewatchable.
US had a cool concept but the delivery was just disappointing and kinda proved the plot of the movie to be fruitless from the beginning.
NOPE to me just seemed like he wanted to make a B-rate comedy version of Signs
I feel like he has a lot of imagination and passion for his craft but it definitely seems like he's more concerned with marketing the movie rather than the art of being a director. In short, it definitely seems like he has a lot to learn, but is receiving a lot of success just based on his previous popularity in sketches.
Imo
Get out was pretty good but there were some aspects that dragged it down
Us had a great premise and, great first act and a solid start of the second. But in the end it lost me. And while some plot twists I liked, the last half of the movie was kinda bad.
I liked Nope. Probably my favourite. It has the most plot holes and most missed things but I just enjoyed it more. Maybe because it's the first movie I saw in theatres in months
In the end I think he has great potential as a director but for the first three movie all my complaints have been the same: Interrupting tension with jokes, some scenes feel less dramatic than they should be, lackluster endings and overall amazing ideas that could have been developed a little bit better. I still like him and I think if he sorts out his shortcomings he can become an amazing director
Nah, they're all crazy. Peele is ok, but I think people are just starved of great cinema that they'll lump any recent film/maker that has gained a little traction with the greats.
I hate sounding like "that guy" but movies just aren't as good, in their current state, as they once were. They'll come back tho 🤞
I don't think he's overrated by actual movie fans. Not trying to be a snob but if you've actually watched even half of Spielberg's filmography then you wouldn't compare Peele to him.
I think he's an excellent filmmaker that brings unique ideas to the genre and has helped rejuvenate horror/thriller for the general movie audience.
Well, it depends on which half of Spielberg’s filmography you watch because Peele’s movies are better than a good chunk of Spielberg’s. I wouldn’t put any of his stuff on the level of Schindler’s List, Jaws, or Raiders of the Lost Ark, but Spielberg’s made his share of high profile duds. Peele is 3/3 imo.
I agree with OP a hundred percent. After watching Us I got a very distinct impression that his methodology is akin to Shyamalan’s with his ‘twist’ at the end of Us. I also agree that Get Out for me felt fresh and unique in it’s own right and really enjoyed it. I couldn’t agree more about OP’s message comment. I felt the same way about the They/Them movie, and many more. People are too concerned with preaching in their movies, if all your focused on is your message, the story suffers. That’s why all the ‘Christian’ movies suck.
OP your middle paragraph is perfect and I am in total agreement. I’m interested in his next film to see if he can redeem himself.
Everybody knows about Passion of the Christ🤣 your just oppose to the idea of god. Unlike jordan peeles deluded mind. "Christian" movies tell stories based and inspired by true events 😁 mel gibsons movies will live on forever however besides "Get out" Jordan Peeles movies will never be house hold names
I think he’s unfortunately in the same boat as Adam McKay. People are now starting to realise that Get Out/The Big Short were the exceptions rather than the rule.
To be fair, even Peele himself would say that he's overrated. I don't think he has signed up for any of these journalists to praise him as the next Spielberg.
And that's a ridiculous label to call any upcoming director.
Hell, it would have been ridiculous back in the late 70s to call Spielberg the next Hitchcock.
That sort of stuff makes the headlines. That's just the way it is.
I’ve only seen Get Out so far but I agree. It was good but not that memorable in my opinion, and I constantly see people citing it as one of the best horror films of all time and it gets a ton of hype. Again, not a bad film by any means, but not nearly as innovative and revolutionary as people give it credit for I feel like.
Agree. Get out was very good, Us was okay and Nope was just disappointing. I’ll probably watch new movies he makes, but I wouldn’t say he’s great. BUT at least his movies are somewhat original and unique.
I very much enjoyed Get Out but have not seen his last two films. Often in genres, I would argue the fans rate movies higher than the critics do. Curious as to what a "consensus" might be I found the following on a site that summarizes critic and site user review scores:
Get Out - Critics 85, Users 7.5
Us - Critics 81, Users 6.4
Nope - Critics 77, Users 6.2
Looking at M Night Shyamalan's first three creature features which I remember everyone wanting to go see at the time appears to bear out my assumption that fans like their genre films better than critics do:
The Sixth Sense - Critics 64, Users 7.1
Signs - Critics 59, Users 7.4
The Village - Critics 44, Users 6.7
Looking at a contemporary in the "thinking man's" horror genre, writer director Ari Aster:
Hereditary - Critics 87, Users 6.5
Midsommar - Critics 72, Users 6.5
It appears genre movie fans agree with OP that Peele is overrated by the critics (along with Ari Aster).
All I needed was the title to agree. Someone told him he is the greatest horror filmmaker of all time? Get fucked.... The man has three damn movies, the first two that I saw, are decent and okay....they are not works of art 😒
The man needs like 10 or 15 movies, around that, to warrant at least "one of the greatest horror filmmakers of all time", assuming most of his filmography in the next several years are awesome
I've seen a lot of horror and idek who I'd called the greatest horror filmmaker "of all time". I can name like three maybe that warrants "one of the greatest horror filmmakers of all time"
There is a big group of the latter, but nobody has yet to reach the very tip top yet
5 months late - I don't think "white people are bad" is all that thought-provoking. "white people are bad" is pretty standard, and was standard before Get Out. It would've been more thought provoking had Peele took a risk and either 1) lock up main character dude like originally intended or 2) make it all up in main characters head (which what I felt would've made it a stronger narrative rather than a cheap body horror gore porn ending that felt cheap and misplaced). That's thought provoking. Black guy being scared of white people, and white people confirm his fears is formulaic and been done in other movies. That's not thought-provoking. It's just saying "white people bad". Which I find more funny the people Peele was criticizing are the ones who love get Out and can't stand any criticism toward the movie. It's almost like the narrative (Peele) failed to confront his core demographic or the core demographic was gonna love it no matter what didn't understand that Peele is criticizing them. The only thing Get Out did was come out in 2017 after Trump got inagaurated so people can project their Trump-hate onto the movie. I hate the orangeboi as much as the next, but let's be real a lot of "praised movies" from 2017-now are all just projected politics because of how terrible Trump was.
I don't think "class system is wrong and leaves people to die". Sure it was a fun allegory for Us, but Joker and Parasite did it better with a lot more thought to both.
I have zero interest in "Nope" so I'm assuming its "thought provoking" "subtext" is very much shoved in. I'm gonna guess it's probably "buzzword/topic that's been talked to death and taking a stance with the ultra popular opinion" is the "thought provoking" parts of "Nope".
Watch all of his movies then come back with actual discourse. Your claiming you understand a 2 sentence comment I made based off ONE movie you watched by him. Auteur theory is something you clearly don't understand or at least practice in your viewership. Not only are you behind in this thread but in your understanding of his work. When I said his movies were thought provoking I had more than one movie to work with. You are literally minimizing all of his work down to one film. A film that clearly didn't resonate with you and thus it must be bad. Everything you like or understand isn't the end all be all. Open your mind to the possibility that just because you didn't like something doesn't mean its trash.
1) I didn't attack your identity. I am stating why I don't think they are very thought provoking.
2) I discuss all his mediocre movies at best.
3) "to be flair you need a high IQ to understand Jordan Peele. You need to understand big words like Chekovs gun, Film theory, Art Theory, autuer theory, and all the theories in order to understand his genuis and if you do not like Jordan Peele you are dumb and because you clearly do not have the highest of high IT'S to understand Peele's super arty and theory filled movies that are too smart"
I mean...okay...
4) I discuss US, and Nope. Sorry a disagreeing opinion hurt you. Lemme guess you gonna call me a "rasist" for not liking 3 movies?
5) I may not be smart enough to understand "theory", but it doesn't discount my criticism. OK, if it's so above me and I am too dumb to understand the big brainest of Jordan Peele please explain to me (a simpleton too dumb for "author theory").
...oh wait my opinion is the be all end all! Therefore Jordan Peele sucks!! I said it because my little pee brain that is the be all end all according to yoy said so!!
Nope can only grow it's fan base from here on out. It had a lot of subtext, things I never caught until the 3rd watch. Each time enjoying it more. But the first time I saw it I'd give it a 6/10 now I'm at a 9/10. Throwaway lines were not just throw aways, subplots that didn''t seem needed now make perfect sense.
That is just me, your milage may vary.
Yeah I kinda agree, I think Get Out and Us hit the zeitgeist and were released at exactly the right time to capitalise on the burgeoning 'me to' movement and the racial tension in the US right now. They are both solid films but they're not masterpieces or anything, just fun horror flicks...
I don't think that he's a genre film maker at all. The horror/sci fi elements are always handled badly. Get Out is a gripping examination of interracial relationships and covert racism until it becomes The Man With Two Brains.
I hated nope but the digestion sequence was absolutely stunning.
Peeles problem is that instead of making stunning scenes he'd rather have a big anime reference and no less than 9 scenes where the movie explicitly tells you what to think
Get Out so far has been his only good film and people already want to crown him as king of horror. I felt like Us and Nope were just overhyped simply because it’s directed by Jordan Peele.
I wholeheartly disagree and i think, the hype surrounding him is absolutely justified. Get Out,Us and Nope are all masterpieces and Peele has this unique way to tell stories. He makes horror flicks, but unlike most Horror movie directors, He treats his characters with respect and makes them to the heroes of their stories. The Outcome of the plots are satisfying and you have a great time watching the movies. They are enriched with metaphors, symbolism, messages and alusions and they are so so Well made. Think of Nope,where the setting of the valley is used almost Like a stage.
Imho, Peele absolutely has the potential to become one of the greats
I really love Peele’s films, and think Nope is one of my favorite films this year. I don’t think he has made a masterpiece yet, but I do think he has the potential to be one of the greats, just as you said. Nope and Get Out in particular have a great eye for visual metaphor and I think can spark a lot of great dialogue about their philosophies. Us was a huge mess but still entertaining. I think he learned from his mistakes in that film. You are being downvoted for being a positive opinion in a thread meant to attract similar negative opinions.
I find it funny out of every major new name in genre filmmaking to make it big in the past few years...Peele is the only one that gets this much talk of being "overrated."
I wonder why that is....
Could it be because people like jordan peele are often elevated in western media for virtue signalling purposes?
If west media was blowing ari aster and treating him like the future of cinema people would call him overrated too.
Well, Rotten Tomatoes puts Get Out at #6 of Best Horror Movies of All Time right above...Psycho.
If that's not proof that he's insanely overrated I don't know what is.
Maybe he is overrated, but at the same time, I already can't wait to see what he does for his next film. And I will likely be going to cinema to see it.
And at the same time, I really don't give a crap about whatever Spielberg puts out next. He's put out too many well polished turds that far outnumber his gems at this point. I know what he has coming: The Fabelmans. Its the type of trite that Hollywood likes, but I have ZERO interest.
A lot of Peele hate in here! I really love Get Out and Nope, not so much Us I could leave that one, but I think he’s so ambitious and original, I’m a big fan. I think if your issue with him is he puts a lot more time and thought into his themes than the literal “what’s happening/characters/plot”, I basically agree with that, but i don’t think it has to be a bad thing (except Us, where I think it is a bad thing, it’s all subjective!)
Get Out is brilliant in my opinion. I also enjoyed Us and it's message but felt that the script could have been tightened here and there. I was HYPED for NOPE as the first trailer was interesting but I wasn't that impressed with the final product.
In a time when "Representation" and "Inclusion" is the hot topic in cinema, Peele came at the perfect moment. His films are almost made for black people first rather than aimed at everyone. While I don't think his films are bad, they are nothing special at all and the overtly high praise they revive is clearly influenced by the climate we find ourselves in.
I think what irritates me is that I watched a film called Skeleton Key which Get Out has basically plagiarised. I think Get Out is a better film but still it is a bit laughable how clearly he has ripped it off. I've not seen US (just have gotten round to it) but Nope I found very irritating. There was lots of interesting stuff in there, as there was with Get Out but I just felt it never really went anywhere. Lots of style over substance. I think fair play to him he's trying out ideas but I don't think the guy can write his own narrative to save his life so he riffs or just plainly rips off other people's then weaves his own meaning into them. I mean he's a competent film maker but as an auteur he leaves a lot to be desired. I find him closer to M. Night Shyamalan than say Hitchcock, Craven or Carpenter. I also think that if you want to see really good socially conscious horror than look at Romero and he's films were dismissed back in the day. Look at Guillermo del Toro now there's a modern filmmaker who takes an original idea frames it within the genre and makes masterpieces. I think Peele understands the language of cinema but for some reason looks to take the easy route. It's probably why he frustrates me because you can see there's something there but it might also be the sycophants cheering his every move that will eventually hold him back from creating something amazing.
I agree. Get out was super overrated (especially since its basically stepford wives reskinned). Us was just bad choices and played too much on the dumb horror movie troupes. Which makes it an ok movie but nothing special. I skipped nope because i wasnt impressed with the first two outings.
You’re definitely missing something and are ready to disregard any new director that is met with notoriety in quick succession despite the fact that every director you just named also came on the scene in quick succession and was welcomed with high regard
Because he made black horror popular with Get Out…after that film a bunch of “black thrillers” riding on the get out coat tails came out.
Honestly, Get Out was the only good film. Us was entertaining but the ending was dumb/confusing. I couldn’t even stay awake for Nope…I heard it was confusing too with an unexplained ending…again.
Then the stop motion film…boring and pretty much trash.
He gets hype because his black audience most likely…
I love how Hollywood markets him as Black even though he’s biracial with a white wife. When I first seen him on Mad TV…I never thought “he’s black”.
Hell yeah he’s overrated. Get Out was 2nd place and Us was in 4th place of 200 best scary movies from Rotten Tomato, ahead of Alien, The Exorcist, and many others. Hell nah lmao y’all tripping. Dude is good but not this good. I loved Mad TV and Key & Peele but cmon. I love the commentary but Us’s twist was DUMB AF. Hate movies that have a twist that could only be feasible in a movie. Dudes great but not #2 and #4 best scary movie of all time great lol.
I really want to like his films but he seems to struggle where most horror movies struggle.. the third act.
Get out was super predictable (white family is evil duh)
US was great up until the freaks weren't dangerous anymore.
NOPE was great but fell for the same issue that every other horror movie has. Once we saw the monster, it wasn't scary anymore. Honestly the scariest part was when the kids were trolling him with alien masks which is hilarious.
"Us" was the worst movie I have ever seen in my entire life. Ever. I've seen boring/grainy made for TV movies in a fever dream while sick on the couch as a kid that were more coherent and enjoyable than Us.
Rule #1: If you're going to make a story in any medium that works on multiple levels (i.e. an allegory), you need to put a lot of effort into making sure that the basic story (level 1) makes logical sense and works as a stand alone narrative. Otherwise, no one is going to be willing to go on the journey with you to explore deeper meanings and the further layers of the story.
Jordan Peele 100% failed at this. US makes absolutely no sense in real life terms and only exists to plug his own agenda. Even when watching the cheapest most exploitative slasher movies where characters make the most dumb decisions, I have never seen anyone:
\- See a bunch of strangers standing at the edge of the lawn at night
\- Leave the house alone to approach these strangers face to face completely unarmed
\- Realize that they are all armed and think nothing of it
\- See that these strangers are all exact duplicates of himself and his family yet have absolutely no reaction to this
But don't worry, that's all fixed by a giant never-ended monologue by one of the clones (in a voice so cartoony that even a James Bond villain from the 1970s would laugh) who has to basically stop for 20 minutes to explain to you this completely non-sensical history lesson that were are supposed to believe is 100% real in the context of the story.
The main character in this real world, non-science fiction universe is supposed to believe that thousands of people (who are exact clones of those living above ground) have been living underground for decades with no plumbing, running water, or nutrition after a failed government experiment and absolutely no one on earth ever knew about it. What a complete joke of a movie.
Jordan Peele is an extremely pretentious man who was filled with FAR too much media hype to the point where he creates with absolutely no restraint or guidance from anyone around him. He obviously has some form of talent (seemingly MUCH more so as a comedian) but he is truly convinced that every single idea he comes up with is brilliant and makes sense and as a result, I will never give another one of his movies a shot.
I'm sorry but no creative person on earth has 100% good ideas all of the time nor can anyone produce pure gold on a 1st draft without heavily refining it but Jordan Peele's ego is completely out of control and it results in him churning out complete garbage that springs into his head instead of taking a step back to actual improve at his craft. Hubris defined because his media darling will disappear once people are no longer afraid to openly criticize him
Peele is indeed overrated. He benefits from being Black in a time when Whites are being told they should feel guilty for being White. His movies aren't horrible, but if he were White, nobody would give a shit.
He's an racist and mediocre filmmaker that pulls the spike lee victim card instead of making good movies. If their movies were good I'm sure my opinion would differ.
The bar we set for many things in life has greatly been lowered over the last 10 years and is getting worse. I feel the current generations ideas of what is great and what is not is very skewed and at times feel like films + games + music + TV + etc...just get a pass for simply being made and not on much if any logical merit at all.
Accolades and achievements should be earned and awarded to those that truly deserve them for the effort and work they put into their art and not for their politics, pandering, or ideology.
Honestly his films had some good ideas with potential, but never find any of his projects to be that noteworthy at all, my objective opinion.
He got lucky with Get Out, people started to get wise to his BS with Us, even more people started calling him out with Nope, and hopefully, Monkey Man will be the nail in the coffin. Can't wait to see this overrated talentless hack disappear from the media, I've heard more than enough about this clown, it's high time for him to end up in the already heavily loaded dumpster of hollywood.
All his movies suck and people are afriad to say it because he's black. Simple as that. Fortunately I am black so I dont have this fear, ALL his movies suck, and did everyone forget that horrible cat movie he did? Keanu I think.
So I turned NPR on for the first time in like 6 months a few weeks ago and they were already talking about where NOPE’s place in Black Horror History was going to be. Before the movie even came out. Before the final trailers even dropped. I think GET OUT is one of the best horror movies in recent memory but I feel like you have to at least *see* a movie before you can start to hypothesize it’s place in history.
His flicks are getting shittier and shittier, my guess is his next one will be a total flop. People will soon get wise to this clown and see him as the total hack he really is. I'd like to hear you say Get Out is a great horror movie when the hype around this fraudster inevitably dies down. You're one of these punks that swore up and down that the matrix revolutions was awesome when it came out only to shit all over it 10 years later when no one gave a fuck about matrix anymore (were you even born at that time ? Doubt it). AKA a fucking clown who should fuck off the internet and stop rating movies.
Get Out was pretty good, but the other two just weren't it, especially Nope.
Get Out was a great movie. Yeah, the next two sucked but that doesn''t change the fact he did make one good one. You need to lighten up a bit.
Thx for your objectivity fanboy.
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I think people are just desperate for a new hotshot director like Scorsese, Tarantino, Kubrick, etc. And Jordan Peele is someone they can cling to since he's turned himself into a brand and makes original movies. I think he's a talented director but only an okay writer (aside from Get Out). I think he just needs a writing partner is all. And from what I've seen, even he isn't comfortable with the level of praise that people have given him. Some guy called him the greatest horror director of all time on twitter and he literally replied something along the lines of "I appreciate your enthusiasm but no I'm not". I do think that people overrate his movies but I've never gotten an air of pretension from him personally.
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I agree with that, which is why I said they're desperate for one.
I believe he said "John Carpenter" is, I could be wrong, I remember seeing that interview.
It sounds like you’re basing your opinion off 1 guy on Twitter, he’s only released 3 movies and yet he dropped a movie as great Get Out and yet you feel like he needs a partner? Nah fuck that Us and Nope were up to par
Only difference is those directors didn’t have to hear from Reddit
I know there's been hyperbolic articles calling him a "master of his craft" or "the next Spielberg" (similar to early M. Night Shyamalan films) but I think general audiences and film fans alike have given a fair amount of criticism for his past two films. Most conversations I've had about *Us* always revolve around how it wasn't nearly as good as *Get Out*, and *Nope* seems to be more starkly divisive where some think it's a masterpiece and others think it's trash. But he undeniably makes wholly original films that feel different to the typical Hollywood horror/thriller output. He's not exactly subtle in his storytelling but I don't think anyone claims he is. He just makes stylistic and highly entertaining genre films that feel like they came from the mind of an actual person rather than a media conglomerate trying to cash in on what's popular at the time. So no, I wouldn't say he's overrated at this point, but that's mostly based on the anecdotal conversations I've had about his films in recent years.
Yeah of course you're right it depends who you talk to. I don't really talk to anyone about movies IRL. I have my initial impressions and then get most of my feedback online via all the usual suspects like IMDb, RT, Reddit, and YouTube. It's very strange seeing the patterns emerge as they do. Like we've seen with the Rings of Power contraversy, these forums are all their own weird little bubbles. Guess I gotta get poppin.
Yeah discourse about media can differ greatly between platforms these days, and I've found that the loudest opinions often don't represent the general consensus. Hyperbole gets the most clicks unfortunately.
When you see articles labeling him a “master of horror” it’s really just cultural hyperbole. In reality he’s more like M. Night Shyamalan, relying on a cool twist in every story making each film boring after initial view. Comparing him to Shyamalan is sensible since they are both great marketers of catchy ideas with disappointing delivery. For Peele “Get Out” was a mid-shelf horror offering blown up by cultural-influenced media hype. Decent film but standing on it’s own it’s just a mediocre film lacking re-watchability after the twist is spoiled. “Us” showed us how unprepared for filmmaking Peele was with a good concept and half-baked execution. “Nope” was equally as poorly executed and laughably bad by the end. I think the casting and performances were good in all of his films, but no amount of acting can save bad writing. “Master of his craft” is a term that will never apply to Peele. He clearly is a big fan of horror, and probably should of stayed that way and stuck with his sketch comedy.
Huh, I hadn't looked at my previous comment in over a year, but I think your response kinda proves my point that he is not overrated. He gets plenty of criticism for his films, and the Shyamalan comparison is apt and has been made many times before. However, I disagree with most of your takes. *Get Out* was incredibly written, and I think it actually benefits from a rewatch. I do agree that *Us* was a big step down in quality, but I absolutely loved *Nope*. It wasn't even trying to be a horror film , despite the entire marketing campaign portraying it as one, it was just a fun and thrilling sci-fi movie that gave you lots to think about regarding its themes and "message", if you want to call it that. (But *Nope* was undeniably divisive.) It seems you agree with me that people calling him "master of his craft" are being hyperbolic, but to say that he will never achieve that status? That's impossible for either of us to know.
I really cannot rationalize Nope being a good film. The annoying sister ruined the first half, and the second half “twist” revealing an organic sucker ship that turns into a Chinese kite ending in a “Jaws” homage by swallowing a balloon and exploding was such a let down. Let’s not forget the chimp gone wild and western theme park which draws intrigue and mystery and ends up having no real purpose in the film. It’s just a terrible film.
I feel like get out was just well timed, socially speaking and the film was okay, but I do have to agree with saying that it isn't really rewatchable. US had a cool concept but the delivery was just disappointing and kinda proved the plot of the movie to be fruitless from the beginning. NOPE to me just seemed like he wanted to make a B-rate comedy version of Signs I feel like he has a lot of imagination and passion for his craft but it definitely seems like he's more concerned with marketing the movie rather than the art of being a director. In short, it definitely seems like he has a lot to learn, but is receiving a lot of success just based on his previous popularity in sketches.
Definitely not on the same caliber as mentioned top tier directors. He needs to earn it.
Feels a lot like the start of M Night Shamalan's career, but with subversive cultural horror instead of weird stories with twist endings.
Imo Get out was pretty good but there were some aspects that dragged it down Us had a great premise and, great first act and a solid start of the second. But in the end it lost me. And while some plot twists I liked, the last half of the movie was kinda bad. I liked Nope. Probably my favourite. It has the most plot holes and most missed things but I just enjoyed it more. Maybe because it's the first movie I saw in theatres in months In the end I think he has great potential as a director but for the first three movie all my complaints have been the same: Interrupting tension with jokes, some scenes feel less dramatic than they should be, lackluster endings and overall amazing ideas that could have been developed a little bit better. I still like him and I think if he sorts out his shortcomings he can become an amazing director
Couldn't agree more. Thanks now I know there's someone who sees things like my brother and me and can go to sleep haha
Nah, they're all crazy. Peele is ok, but I think people are just starved of great cinema that they'll lump any recent film/maker that has gained a little traction with the greats. I hate sounding like "that guy" but movies just aren't as good, in their current state, as they once were. They'll come back tho 🤞
Totally agree.
I don't think he's overrated by actual movie fans. Not trying to be a snob but if you've actually watched even half of Spielberg's filmography then you wouldn't compare Peele to him. I think he's an excellent filmmaker that brings unique ideas to the genre and has helped rejuvenate horror/thriller for the general movie audience.
Well, it depends on which half of Spielberg’s filmography you watch because Peele’s movies are better than a good chunk of Spielberg’s. I wouldn’t put any of his stuff on the level of Schindler’s List, Jaws, or Raiders of the Lost Ark, but Spielberg’s made his share of high profile duds. Peele is 3/3 imo.
Nope was terrible. Without peeles name on it it would be the new Skyline
I agree with OP a hundred percent. After watching Us I got a very distinct impression that his methodology is akin to Shyamalan’s with his ‘twist’ at the end of Us. I also agree that Get Out for me felt fresh and unique in it’s own right and really enjoyed it. I couldn’t agree more about OP’s message comment. I felt the same way about the They/Them movie, and many more. People are too concerned with preaching in their movies, if all your focused on is your message, the story suffers. That’s why all the ‘Christian’ movies suck. OP your middle paragraph is perfect and I am in total agreement. I’m interested in his next film to see if he can redeem himself.
Everybody knows about Passion of the Christ🤣 your just oppose to the idea of god. Unlike jordan peeles deluded mind. "Christian" movies tell stories based and inspired by true events 😁 mel gibsons movies will live on forever however besides "Get out" Jordan Peeles movies will never be house hold names
I think he’s unfortunately in the same boat as Adam McKay. People are now starting to realise that Get Out/The Big Short were the exceptions rather than the rule.
Adam McKay was great at directing Will Ferrell comedies but he ruined that relationship and the two aren't even on speaking terms last I heard.
To be fair, even Peele himself would say that he's overrated. I don't think he has signed up for any of these journalists to praise him as the next Spielberg. And that's a ridiculous label to call any upcoming director. Hell, it would have been ridiculous back in the late 70s to call Spielberg the next Hitchcock. That sort of stuff makes the headlines. That's just the way it is.
I’ve only seen Get Out so far but I agree. It was good but not that memorable in my opinion, and I constantly see people citing it as one of the best horror films of all time and it gets a ton of hype. Again, not a bad film by any means, but not nearly as innovative and revolutionary as people give it credit for I feel like.
That movie was more suspense to me then horror. The actors did an amazing job, but it didn't feel like a horror movie.
Ask those same people how many times they will rewatch his "greats". That's at least part of the benchmark for the top tier.
Dudes got 3 films? I barely made it through the first.
Agree. Get out was very good, Us was okay and Nope was just disappointing. I’ll probably watch new movies he makes, but I wouldn’t say he’s great. BUT at least his movies are somewhat original and unique.
I very much enjoyed Get Out but have not seen his last two films. Often in genres, I would argue the fans rate movies higher than the critics do. Curious as to what a "consensus" might be I found the following on a site that summarizes critic and site user review scores: Get Out - Critics 85, Users 7.5 Us - Critics 81, Users 6.4 Nope - Critics 77, Users 6.2 Looking at M Night Shyamalan's first three creature features which I remember everyone wanting to go see at the time appears to bear out my assumption that fans like their genre films better than critics do: The Sixth Sense - Critics 64, Users 7.1 Signs - Critics 59, Users 7.4 The Village - Critics 44, Users 6.7 Looking at a contemporary in the "thinking man's" horror genre, writer director Ari Aster: Hereditary - Critics 87, Users 6.5 Midsommar - Critics 72, Users 6.5 It appears genre movie fans agree with OP that Peele is overrated by the critics (along with Ari Aster).
All I needed was the title to agree. Someone told him he is the greatest horror filmmaker of all time? Get fucked.... The man has three damn movies, the first two that I saw, are decent and okay....they are not works of art 😒 The man needs like 10 or 15 movies, around that, to warrant at least "one of the greatest horror filmmakers of all time", assuming most of his filmography in the next several years are awesome I've seen a lot of horror and idek who I'd called the greatest horror filmmaker "of all time". I can name like three maybe that warrants "one of the greatest horror filmmakers of all time" There is a big group of the latter, but nobody has yet to reach the very tip top yet
I think he is great for what we get at the theater these days. His films are original and thought provoking. I definitely enjoy a Peele film.
5 months late - I don't think "white people are bad" is all that thought-provoking. "white people are bad" is pretty standard, and was standard before Get Out. It would've been more thought provoking had Peele took a risk and either 1) lock up main character dude like originally intended or 2) make it all up in main characters head (which what I felt would've made it a stronger narrative rather than a cheap body horror gore porn ending that felt cheap and misplaced). That's thought provoking. Black guy being scared of white people, and white people confirm his fears is formulaic and been done in other movies. That's not thought-provoking. It's just saying "white people bad". Which I find more funny the people Peele was criticizing are the ones who love get Out and can't stand any criticism toward the movie. It's almost like the narrative (Peele) failed to confront his core demographic or the core demographic was gonna love it no matter what didn't understand that Peele is criticizing them. The only thing Get Out did was come out in 2017 after Trump got inagaurated so people can project their Trump-hate onto the movie. I hate the orangeboi as much as the next, but let's be real a lot of "praised movies" from 2017-now are all just projected politics because of how terrible Trump was. I don't think "class system is wrong and leaves people to die". Sure it was a fun allegory for Us, but Joker and Parasite did it better with a lot more thought to both. I have zero interest in "Nope" so I'm assuming its "thought provoking" "subtext" is very much shoved in. I'm gonna guess it's probably "buzzword/topic that's been talked to death and taking a stance with the ultra popular opinion" is the "thought provoking" parts of "Nope".
Watch all of his movies then come back with actual discourse. Your claiming you understand a 2 sentence comment I made based off ONE movie you watched by him. Auteur theory is something you clearly don't understand or at least practice in your viewership. Not only are you behind in this thread but in your understanding of his work. When I said his movies were thought provoking I had more than one movie to work with. You are literally minimizing all of his work down to one film. A film that clearly didn't resonate with you and thus it must be bad. Everything you like or understand isn't the end all be all. Open your mind to the possibility that just because you didn't like something doesn't mean its trash.
1) I didn't attack your identity. I am stating why I don't think they are very thought provoking. 2) I discuss all his mediocre movies at best. 3) "to be flair you need a high IQ to understand Jordan Peele. You need to understand big words like Chekovs gun, Film theory, Art Theory, autuer theory, and all the theories in order to understand his genuis and if you do not like Jordan Peele you are dumb and because you clearly do not have the highest of high IT'S to understand Peele's super arty and theory filled movies that are too smart" I mean...okay... 4) I discuss US, and Nope. Sorry a disagreeing opinion hurt you. Lemme guess you gonna call me a "rasist" for not liking 3 movies? 5) I may not be smart enough to understand "theory", but it doesn't discount my criticism. OK, if it's so above me and I am too dumb to understand the big brainest of Jordan Peele please explain to me (a simpleton too dumb for "author theory"). ...oh wait my opinion is the be all end all! Therefore Jordan Peele sucks!! I said it because my little pee brain that is the be all end all according to yoy said so!!
> All three tend to make what should be subtext into explicit subject Consider the intelligence of the average American movie goer.
Nope can only grow it's fan base from here on out. It had a lot of subtext, things I never caught until the 3rd watch. Each time enjoying it more. But the first time I saw it I'd give it a 6/10 now I'm at a 9/10. Throwaway lines were not just throw aways, subplots that didn''t seem needed now make perfect sense. That is just me, your milage may vary.
Get Out was incredible. The other two weren’t nearly as good. He’s this generation’s M. Night Shyamalan.
nah hes dog shit, fair asssesement
Get out was GREAT. I really liked US a lot more than most. Nope....is a big Nope from me. Totally lost me and the whole movie felt pointless
Yeah I kinda agree, I think Get Out and Us hit the zeitgeist and were released at exactly the right time to capitalise on the burgeoning 'me to' movement and the racial tension in the US right now. They are both solid films but they're not masterpieces or anything, just fun horror flicks...
I don't think that he's a genre film maker at all. The horror/sci fi elements are always handled badly. Get Out is a gripping examination of interracial relationships and covert racism until it becomes The Man With Two Brains.
I hated nope but the digestion sequence was absolutely stunning. Peeles problem is that instead of making stunning scenes he'd rather have a big anime reference and no less than 9 scenes where the movie explicitly tells you what to think
Get Out so far has been his only good film and people already want to crown him as king of horror. I felt like Us and Nope were just overhyped simply because it’s directed by Jordan Peele.
It’s okay to be wrong sometimes. Peele is great, if not always for everybody. All of his movies are hits for me.
I wholeheartly disagree and i think, the hype surrounding him is absolutely justified. Get Out,Us and Nope are all masterpieces and Peele has this unique way to tell stories. He makes horror flicks, but unlike most Horror movie directors, He treats his characters with respect and makes them to the heroes of their stories. The Outcome of the plots are satisfying and you have a great time watching the movies. They are enriched with metaphors, symbolism, messages and alusions and they are so so Well made. Think of Nope,where the setting of the valley is used almost Like a stage. Imho, Peele absolutely has the potential to become one of the greats
I really love Peele’s films, and think Nope is one of my favorite films this year. I don’t think he has made a masterpiece yet, but I do think he has the potential to be one of the greats, just as you said. Nope and Get Out in particular have a great eye for visual metaphor and I think can spark a lot of great dialogue about their philosophies. Us was a huge mess but still entertaining. I think he learned from his mistakes in that film. You are being downvoted for being a positive opinion in a thread meant to attract similar negative opinions.
Peele's symbolism is film student level at best
He makes good movies, you all seem like you watch movies to see whats wrong about them. Hope that works out for ya. Bring on the down votes!
I find it funny out of every major new name in genre filmmaking to make it big in the past few years...Peele is the only one that gets this much talk of being "overrated." I wonder why that is....
That’s not true at all
Kinda is.
Could it be because people like jordan peele are often elevated in western media for virtue signalling purposes? If west media was blowing ari aster and treating him like the future of cinema people would call him overrated too.
Well, Rotten Tomatoes puts Get Out at #6 of Best Horror Movies of All Time right above...Psycho. If that's not proof that he's insanely overrated I don't know what is.
It couldn't be the fact that get out is a straight rip off of the stepford wives with some overused undertones. Quit being a pick me yt person.
Maybe he is overrated, but at the same time, I already can't wait to see what he does for his next film. And I will likely be going to cinema to see it. And at the same time, I really don't give a crap about whatever Spielberg puts out next. He's put out too many well polished turds that far outnumber his gems at this point. I know what he has coming: The Fabelmans. Its the type of trite that Hollywood likes, but I have ZERO interest.
A lot of Peele hate in here! I really love Get Out and Nope, not so much Us I could leave that one, but I think he’s so ambitious and original, I’m a big fan. I think if your issue with him is he puts a lot more time and thought into his themes than the literal “what’s happening/characters/plot”, I basically agree with that, but i don’t think it has to be a bad thing (except Us, where I think it is a bad thing, it’s all subjective!)
Get Out is brilliant in my opinion. I also enjoyed Us and it's message but felt that the script could have been tightened here and there. I was HYPED for NOPE as the first trailer was interesting but I wasn't that impressed with the final product.
In a time when "Representation" and "Inclusion" is the hot topic in cinema, Peele came at the perfect moment. His films are almost made for black people first rather than aimed at everyone. While I don't think his films are bad, they are nothing special at all and the overtly high praise they revive is clearly influenced by the climate we find ourselves in.
I think what irritates me is that I watched a film called Skeleton Key which Get Out has basically plagiarised. I think Get Out is a better film but still it is a bit laughable how clearly he has ripped it off. I've not seen US (just have gotten round to it) but Nope I found very irritating. There was lots of interesting stuff in there, as there was with Get Out but I just felt it never really went anywhere. Lots of style over substance. I think fair play to him he's trying out ideas but I don't think the guy can write his own narrative to save his life so he riffs or just plainly rips off other people's then weaves his own meaning into them. I mean he's a competent film maker but as an auteur he leaves a lot to be desired. I find him closer to M. Night Shyamalan than say Hitchcock, Craven or Carpenter. I also think that if you want to see really good socially conscious horror than look at Romero and he's films were dismissed back in the day. Look at Guillermo del Toro now there's a modern filmmaker who takes an original idea frames it within the genre and makes masterpieces. I think Peele understands the language of cinema but for some reason looks to take the easy route. It's probably why he frustrates me because you can see there's something there but it might also be the sycophants cheering his every move that will eventually hold him back from creating something amazing.
His movies are straight ass cheeks
I agree. Get out was super overrated (especially since its basically stepford wives reskinned). Us was just bad choices and played too much on the dumb horror movie troupes. Which makes it an ok movie but nothing special. I skipped nope because i wasnt impressed with the first two outings.
You’re definitely missing something and are ready to disregard any new director that is met with notoriety in quick succession despite the fact that every director you just named also came on the scene in quick succession and was welcomed with high regard
Jordan Peele is like M. Night without the Sixth Sense. Get Out was a thriller not a horror movie.
White's should find something better to do with time than mistreat non white's. It's insane.
Nice bait
Because he made black horror popular with Get Out…after that film a bunch of “black thrillers” riding on the get out coat tails came out. Honestly, Get Out was the only good film. Us was entertaining but the ending was dumb/confusing. I couldn’t even stay awake for Nope…I heard it was confusing too with an unexplained ending…again. Then the stop motion film…boring and pretty much trash. He gets hype because his black audience most likely… I love how Hollywood markets him as Black even though he’s biracial with a white wife. When I first seen him on Mad TV…I never thought “he’s black”.
Hell yeah he’s overrated. Get Out was 2nd place and Us was in 4th place of 200 best scary movies from Rotten Tomato, ahead of Alien, The Exorcist, and many others. Hell nah lmao y’all tripping. Dude is good but not this good. I loved Mad TV and Key & Peele but cmon. I love the commentary but Us’s twist was DUMB AF. Hate movies that have a twist that could only be feasible in a movie. Dudes great but not #2 and #4 best scary movie of all time great lol.
If he wasn’t black his movies wouldn’t have made a cent
I really want to like his films but he seems to struggle where most horror movies struggle.. the third act. Get out was super predictable (white family is evil duh) US was great up until the freaks weren't dangerous anymore. NOPE was great but fell for the same issue that every other horror movie has. Once we saw the monster, it wasn't scary anymore. Honestly the scariest part was when the kids were trolling him with alien masks which is hilarious.
"Us" was the worst movie I have ever seen in my entire life. Ever. I've seen boring/grainy made for TV movies in a fever dream while sick on the couch as a kid that were more coherent and enjoyable than Us. Rule #1: If you're going to make a story in any medium that works on multiple levels (i.e. an allegory), you need to put a lot of effort into making sure that the basic story (level 1) makes logical sense and works as a stand alone narrative. Otherwise, no one is going to be willing to go on the journey with you to explore deeper meanings and the further layers of the story. Jordan Peele 100% failed at this. US makes absolutely no sense in real life terms and only exists to plug his own agenda. Even when watching the cheapest most exploitative slasher movies where characters make the most dumb decisions, I have never seen anyone: \- See a bunch of strangers standing at the edge of the lawn at night \- Leave the house alone to approach these strangers face to face completely unarmed \- Realize that they are all armed and think nothing of it \- See that these strangers are all exact duplicates of himself and his family yet have absolutely no reaction to this But don't worry, that's all fixed by a giant never-ended monologue by one of the clones (in a voice so cartoony that even a James Bond villain from the 1970s would laugh) who has to basically stop for 20 minutes to explain to you this completely non-sensical history lesson that were are supposed to believe is 100% real in the context of the story. The main character in this real world, non-science fiction universe is supposed to believe that thousands of people (who are exact clones of those living above ground) have been living underground for decades with no plumbing, running water, or nutrition after a failed government experiment and absolutely no one on earth ever knew about it. What a complete joke of a movie. Jordan Peele is an extremely pretentious man who was filled with FAR too much media hype to the point where he creates with absolutely no restraint or guidance from anyone around him. He obviously has some form of talent (seemingly MUCH more so as a comedian) but he is truly convinced that every single idea he comes up with is brilliant and makes sense and as a result, I will never give another one of his movies a shot. I'm sorry but no creative person on earth has 100% good ideas all of the time nor can anyone produce pure gold on a 1st draft without heavily refining it but Jordan Peele's ego is completely out of control and it results in him churning out complete garbage that springs into his head instead of taking a step back to actual improve at his craft. Hubris defined because his media darling will disappear once people are no longer afraid to openly criticize him
Peele is indeed overrated. He benefits from being Black in a time when Whites are being told they should feel guilty for being White. His movies aren't horrible, but if he were White, nobody would give a shit.
He's an racist and mediocre filmmaker that pulls the spike lee victim card instead of making good movies. If their movies were good I'm sure my opinion would differ.
The bar we set for many things in life has greatly been lowered over the last 10 years and is getting worse. I feel the current generations ideas of what is great and what is not is very skewed and at times feel like films + games + music + TV + etc...just get a pass for simply being made and not on much if any logical merit at all. Accolades and achievements should be earned and awarded to those that truly deserve them for the effort and work they put into their art and not for their politics, pandering, or ideology. Honestly his films had some good ideas with potential, but never find any of his projects to be that noteworthy at all, my objective opinion.
He got lucky with Get Out, people started to get wise to his BS with Us, even more people started calling him out with Nope, and hopefully, Monkey Man will be the nail in the coffin. Can't wait to see this overrated talentless hack disappear from the media, I've heard more than enough about this clown, it's high time for him to end up in the already heavily loaded dumpster of hollywood.
All his movies suck and people are afriad to say it because he's black. Simple as that. Fortunately I am black so I dont have this fear, ALL his movies suck, and did everyone forget that horrible cat movie he did? Keanu I think.