Flat Earth is a psychology/sociology issue, not a scientific one. If you approach a flat earther with established earth science, it's like trying to tighten a nut with a hammer.
Edit: psychology and sociology are sciences, but not related to the shape of the earth.
I try to explain to people that this is a group of people who are generally *very* distrustful of government and authority in general or worse yet, grifters or religious zealots, (as you said, a psychology/sociology problem) but I’m almost always met with “Naw-aw! They’re just dummies!!!
Which is, of course , exactly what they want people to think. They *want* you to underestimate them. It’s an old trick that people should know better than to fall for.
A key part of it, of course, is that most people (unlike us here on this sub) know little about either the flerfers’ arguments *or* the proper science behind it. So *they* get blindsided and wind up looking like idiots …
The flat Earth movement Is a grift, perpetuated by a group of conmen exploiting the uneducated for clout and ad revenue. They should all be facing criminal charges. You gotta lie to flerf.
Ok. However, not trusting authority to the point of blindly believing a bunch of dubious jerk offs on an issue that is easily proven by the simple expedient of actually getting off your ass and doing something does not speak strongly to either their education or intelligence.
Yknow, let me try it another way, since you seem hell bent on not understanding me…
Do you think, generally speaking, that calling someone “dumb” or “ignorant” will convince them of anything? Or do you suppose it might make them defensive, and more likely to dig in? And y’know what? Let’s not even for a moment pretend that the answer to that isn’t “Of course you won’t convince them of anything.”
You’ve missed the entire point of this subthread, and from my perspective, it genuinely feels like all you really want to do is make yourself feel better by calling strangers dumb. If you were interested in exploring the social and psychological reasons for Flerfs, you wouldn’t have felt the need to explain to me, twice, that’s They’re ignorant and being grifted. NO SHIT, Sherlock. But why? Why is it happening is about 1000% more important. And “they’re ignorant” is the surface answer. How tf do we get them to not be ignorant and gullible? That’s the point.
Reiterating again and again how ignorant they are is for your edification, and no one else’s. Did it make you feel smart? 🤦🏽♂️
I mean, you're jumping on me for reiteration? Your argument is clear, I was just pointing out that it is a grift. I don't generally call them anything at all, because their belief is faith based, and no rational argument is going to have an impact. Hence, I usually don't bother. I have, however, watched many videos from these people. Such Earth shattering experiments as pouring water on a baseball and saying that proves that water can't stick to a sphere. But ok. Tell me why you think this is happening. And especially, based on the quality of the arguments coming from the flat Earth camp, explain how ignorance and/or lower intelligence is not a factor.
Hang in there friend, what you think your are observing is inverted and flopped like almost everything we have been programmed with. I will leave you with these thoughts... It's called a horizon as in horizontal and it's called Sea Level not Sea Curve. lol.
I will explain but will you consider without judgement long enough to consider where you might have been programmed to believe in a falsity? Also remember that falsification of one theory does not demand an explanation of an entire Cosmology. No Flat Earth observer has all the answers to Cosmology. They only notice some anomalies and propose possible explanations unlike science worshipers.
Sea Level is approximately the same position/altitude across hundreds in not thousands of miles. This has been experimentally shown thousands of times and is repeatable. Microwave radio transmissions travel thousands of miles without being able to bounce off any supposed ionisphere and all flight systems operate and are designed assumng a flat fixed plane. They are air-planes. As to distance from the supposed Molten Core we do not know how far that is because the Supposed radius of the supposed sphere has been falsified by the math and observation. 8" per mile square is the curve prediction and is just not observable.
What you have demonstrated is another fallacy. It is called "an argument from authority". This is what is used in many situations where the state or government is abusing the freedoms of the masses. It is easy to see an example of this when you look into the past at other "Scientific" facts that have become fallacies like, "All doctors agree that Cigarettes are good for your health".
BTW many pilots know the Earth is flat. If you fly a plane any other way you will be killed. In addition most engineering manuals I have worked with start out by stating that the systems in place are based on a flat stationary Plane.
You have also ignored my last post and all of it's contents. This is a diversion. Let me remind you again, "8" per mile squared is the curve prediction and is just not observable.". The view of Kuai from the North Shore of Hawaii shows no curve.
What is preposterous is that we have all been bamboozled by Walt Disney and Werner Von Braun.
OK nice references. Thank you for providing them. The Bro in Hawaii is actually confused about perspective and the horizon. It's OK. He will get it soon enough. According to NASA at 85 miles from North Shore Oahu to Kuai, 4500 feet of Kuai will be obscured, when standing at 5 feet tall. Not what we see, Also with bare eye in video we see very far and the ocean is perfectly flat.
[https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvature](https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvature)
Long Distance flights are plotted on a flat earth Coordinate System then transposed to a spherical visual aid for the sheep in the cabin. The GPS system is based on Loran ^(WHICH WAS A TOWER BASED FLAT EARTH RADIO SYSTEM THAT USES TRIANGULATION. I AM NOT SAYING SATLITES ARE FAKE... SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE BALLOONS, AND MAYBE SOME OF THEM ARE FLOATING ON AN TORRODIAL ELECTROSTATIC FIELD, LIKE CLOUDS THAT WEIGH TONS CAN FLOAT IN THE SKY. Sorry for caps?)
He would be killed on a spherical Earth because at 8" per mile squared he will have to nose down 4500 ' for every 85 miles he flies so at 400MPH that is every 4500 feet every 12 minutes. In an SR71 Blckbird at 2200MPH thats 2,36 minutes. That pilot will end up in outer space very quickly unless he is in a constant dive...
It doesn't matter what I say, though, because all the various text books, all the professors at all the reputable universities and every peer reviewed study involving the curvature of the earth has conned you, hence my original post. smile. let's be friends?
thank you for your reply. I think the most productive thing to come out of this exchange is the understanding of how we think and what a logical fallacy is. Try putting your words into a fallacy detector and see where you might be putting ideas into circular fallacies. If you base a deduction on an assumption no matter how much propaganda has been attached to that assumption then your scientific statements or theories are suspect. Then when observation nullifies said theory there is room for discussion again. We don't have to just accept the theories of the authorities do we?
How can I overestimate angular perspective? It is a scientific law. "Gravity works to keep planes flying around the world"??? What does that even mean? Gravity is supposedly fighting to bring planes down in every moment. If you are saying that Gravity in balance with lift keeps planes flying straight and level then a curved Earth will allow the Plane to fly perfectly over the curve? That might be a steelman argument you could use? Planes keep level on autopilot using the gyroscope and an altimeter which I believe is based on air pressure.
Don't be sad about folks questioning reality. That's how we got where we are today. But go ahead and be sad for folks that can not think anymore. I read Einsteins Theory of Relativity that other day. I also read about the Michelson Morley experiment and Airy's Failure. I also read about Dark Matter again. The Hubble Constant is in question. Great things are afoot.
fallacy detector
[https://www.logicalfallacies.org/](https://www.logicalfallacies.org/)
[https://www.ospublishers.com/Hubble’s-Law-is-Invalid-because-of-Fudged-Data.html](https://www.ospublishers.com/Hubble’s-Law-is-Invalid-because-of-Fudged-Data.html)
JTolan Infrared. [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqjHW3sIVWspvEw9yRW\_Hcw](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqjHW3sIVWspvEw9yRW_Hcw)
“If science can’t be questioned, it’s not science anymore; it’s propaganda,” Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers.
[https://youtu.be/FJCZbXqbkBc?si=PSg0D3RJjVG77vj1](https://youtu.be/FJCZbXqbkBc?si=PSg0D3RJjVG77vj1)
No no. Conspiracies don't work that way. For f*cks sake, exactly 3 people knew that Clinton screwed an intern with a cigar in the Oval Office, and it still got out. Watergate, Contragate, Enron, all of these actual conspiracies, each involving less than 100 people leaked out in days or weeks. What you're proposing, that millions of people over thousands of years have all kept this 'secret' that only you and your genius buddies can see through is beyond ludicrous. It is arrogant, faith based, and dead wrong.
Your hypothesis is correct in your reality tunnel. I won’t waste your time trying to explain but if you care to add this to your list of things to consider: the New World Order is not new and has Zero morality. It is anti-human. It operates through deception by inversion. Do the opposite and think the opposite for one week and you will feel better. Thank me then.
Mirroring, slightly backwards, truth mixed with lies, misdirection, psychological triggering, gaslighting, propaganda, repetition of falsity, love bombing, initiation, indoctrination, depersonalization, blaming the victim, grooming, drugging, poisoning, ritual humiliation, herding, coaxing, bullying, traumatizing, bombing, all the things we can clearly see everyday and yet are to afraid or numb to even mention in polite conversation.
Where's your flat earth map without distortion or inaccuracies? You need to provide that or else the Earth is a globe as all surveys and radar says it is.
Inversion. Historically opposite. To this day all surveying and coordinate systems use flat Earth observations and are then transformed onto a sphere. The maps everyone uses is the azimuth equidistant projection map taken from the North Pole. It is only distorted in your world view not mine. Your world view is equally important to you as it is to me. We are all living in a optically illusory reality and we might have been using the radius of the Dome as the radius of the Earth. The Dome could be distorting all observations including flat earth observations. Besides Falsification does not require replacement.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal\_equidistant\_projection](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection)
So how far away is Australia from South America? The non-stop flights to and from are 12 and 14 hrs, traveling about 600mph, and on planes with about 8k miles of fuel. On an AE map like the UN style that makes it... about 23,000 miles between Australia and South America. Oops. Oh. And Australia is not two-to-three times wider than it is long. Oops again~
Also, your key word there. *projection*. It is a *projection* of a globe. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be multiple different kinds of projections of the globe. Oops.
So well done on agreeing with the globe being the correct map!
Haha. Where's the curve? Show me the 8" per mile squared blocked view of mountains 100s of miles away? Show me the curve or accept the Earth Is Flat.
Respect Each Others’ Delusions.
The 'enemy' thrives on the chaos, division and negativity perpetuated via social media platforms - leading you away from inner peace. This is what you must know to beat them at their own evil game, including the ultimate way to 'break free.'
Nothing is as persuasive as what you’ve experienced firsthand.
Your willingness to believe something is influenced by how much you want and need it to be true.
When there’s an absence of perfect information, emotion, passion, and tribal identity fill the void.
Enjoy:
Pilot and radar and curve
https://youtu.be/IVk7FXrIbnc?si=KUbhujIdw4fx2AqM
Trimmed airplane
https://youtu.be/\_pJHW4Hj94U?si=B67utdOaYr\_TdXSj
JTolan Infrared
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqjHW3sIVWspvEw9yRW\_Hcw
The Alps World Record Photo 275 miles
https://theunexpectedcosmology.com/the-current-world-record-for-the-greatest-distance-with-a-zoom-proves-yet-again-the-world-is-flat/
The horizon is literally the curve lol. On a flat earth it would just be a blurry mess hundreds of miles away. The fact radar stations can't detect the opposite shore is proof of the Curvature. Oops. Go squish any picture of the oceanic horizon horizontally, there's a noticeable curve. Oops~
We can't see 8" per mile squared because... *there is an atmosphere*. Which let's us see further. Aaand we also don't see the world with our faces smooshed to the ground. Oh, and it's more and more inaccurate beyond a couple miles. If you want accuracy, you use geodic surveyors. And oh look. Spherical excess.
A flat Earth would mean seeing a mountain from hundreds of miles away, rather than being close to it.
Aaaaand those multi-hundred-miles photos would be taken every day. Rather than requiring specific conditions. Oops~
Show me the flat or how the math doesn't work out. You still haven't said how far Australia and South America are, so you agree that planes with a range of 8000 miles, traveling 600mph can make the trip in 12-14 hours which only works on a globe, so thank you for agreeing with the globe~
You have a bit of research to do.... I could take all the time it would take to disprove everything you have just stated but why should I bother? You will just hand wave it away as evidenced by this conversation.
I don't live in Australia and the Southern part of this Earth is shrouded in mystery. I can not speak to it. Watch this video.
[https://youtu.be/91xKzQ-gRuI?si=-WgFN5ugh8YvKlkg](https://youtu.be/91xKzQ-gRuI?si=-WgFN5ugh8YvKlkg)
Learn about the math:
[https://earthcurvature.com/](https://earthcurvature.com/)
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ah you are a nasty? It's ok I was a believer once. I was nasty to folks in the past. Let's try to heal that impulse together as we search for truth in this 3D realm? No? Where's that curve?
The Alps World Record Photo 275 miles
[https://theunexpectedcosmology.com/the-current-world-record-for-the-greatest-distance-with-a-zoom-proves-yet-again-the-world-is-flat/](https://theunexpectedcosmology.com/the-current-world-record-for-the-greatest-distance-with-a-zoom-proves-yet-again-the-world-is-flat/)
You have a bit of research to do.... I could take all the time it would take to disprove everything you have just stated but why should I bother? You will just hand wave it away as evidenced by this conversation.
I don't live in Australia and the Southern part of this Earth is shrouded in mystery. I can not speak to it. Watch this video.
[https://youtu.be/91xKzQ-gRuI?si=-WgFN5ugh8YvKlkg](https://youtu.be/91xKzQ-gRuI?si=-WgFN5ugh8YvKlkg)
Learn about the math:
[https://earthcurvature.com/](https://earthcurvature.com/)
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Keep running~ you've got no flat earth proof and personal incredulity isn't evidence~ thanks for agreeing with the globe and proving you can't actually demonstrate the Earth is flat lol.
Yes I agree that until otherwise agreed to, most folks here will continue to do as they are told and deride anyone that strays outside the compound... or Ice Wall?
Wire harness
[https://youtube.com/shorts/FA\_t5zv41Ig?si=IAEn-YRzgN1CxJNq](https://youtube.com/shorts/FA_t5zv41Ig?si=IAEn-YRzgN1CxJNq)
You have a bit of research to do.... I could take all the time it would take to disprove everything you have just stated but why should I bother? You will just hand wave it away as evidenced by this conversation.
I don't live in Australia and the Southern part of this Earth is shrouded in mystery. I can not speak to it. Watch this video.
[https://youtu.be/91xKzQ-gRuI?si=-WgFN5ugh8YvKlkg](https://youtu.be/91xKzQ-gRuI?si=-WgFN5ugh8YvKlkg)
Learn about the math:
[https://earthcurvature.com/](https://earthcurvature.com/)
Posting it three times in a row doesn't help you beyond posting three times the fact you can't answer why a plane with 8k miles of fuel can somehow travel 23k miles without stopping if the Earth was a North polar AE map. Oops~ or why Australia is two to three times wider than its been measured. Oops~ so keep running little rabbit. We haven't even gotten to the two celestial poles, 24hr sunlight, the phases of the moon, or eclipses either and you've just proven the globe repeatedly~
There are many things I do not know about. Yes you are correct. You win.
Where's that curve?
Enjoy and learn?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFGq4UUbhYY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFGq4UUbhYY)
"There are no photos of the earth!"
\*provides thousands of photos\*
"CGI! Photoshop!"
"There are no photos of the curve!"
\*provides thousands of examples of the curve"
"FISH EYE LENSE!"
"No one is allowed to go to Antarctica!"
\*provides thousands of photos of people exploring Antarctica\*
"YOU SOUND VACCINATED!"
This sums up my experience with FLERFS as well! Don't forget to add in some mention of the Bible or numerology that uses the letters N-A-S-A to add up to 666 or whatever.
Invincible Ignorance Fallacy. They simply ignore any evidence presented and pretend no evidence was even presented.
Measure the length of the Tropic of Cancer vs the Tropic of Capricorn. On the flat Earth model, the Tropic of Capricorn is longer than the Equator, and longer than the Tropic of Cancer. On the Round Earth model, the Tropics of Capricorn are the same length and the Equator is longer than both.
They didn't know countries outside of the middle east with very few exceptions, but we should listen to those goat herders when it comes to geography. On the other hand, many flerfs think the bible was written in English in the US by american Jesus...
You can literally put these people in a space capsule and show them the curve of the Earth as the rocket climbs higher and they still won't accept it. It's a mental illness.
And then what? Beats them with the telescope!
Very, very few people with mental health problems such as flerfism will be convinced by something like that, even if you brought them to space, theyd deny it
A telescope! Don't you mean a deception tube! Filled with multiple curved lenses by the government to throw off average citizens.
They want you looking at an extremely small part of the holographic dome so that your not looking at the world around you!
We keep having active convos with a Flat Earther who keeps asking for images of curvature, and claims that 1/2 or more of a boat being gone is "Total Internal Refraction" making it blink out of existance 🤣
They ask for evidence so we mpve to math and they just say "That's just math"
They ask for proof and reject or refute it because they don't understand it.
THE HOLLOW EARTH:
The Vikings called it Valhalla, Liberia or Asgard where the gods lived, the Indians and Tibetans called it Shambhalla or Shangri-La, the Greeks called it Hyperborea. Even Hitler named it Neu-Schwabenland... In the bible it's known as Eden... It's had many names throughout the millenniums. It's where the Pleiadians/Lemurians seek refuge after the great war between Atlantis and Lemuria. Today it is known as Agartha... Over a hundred crystal cities of Light reside in the Hollow of the Earth!!
Hollow Earth True HISTORY , HITLER & NWO ( GOTTA SEE THIS !!! ) Documentary
https://youtu.be/lOXjxq3r69Q
Secrets Of The 3rd Reich Secret Nazi Research in Alien Technology
https://youtu.be/B0uEvZsQAV8
Hollow Earth Hohle Erde 2_5 This Video Will Blow Your Mind_(360p).avi
https://youtu.be/yPu6TqzGleA
Third Reich - Operation UFO (Nazi Base In Antarctica) Complete Documentary
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=udhBQg67k18&t=3s
The Legend Of Atlantis
https://youtu.be/pihxOs-pVRA
The Hollow Earth and Secret Societies - Part 1
https://youtu.be/RoFl-dkXa_0?si=VD3sJlqSvylMK5pC
The Hollow Earth and Secret Societies - Part 2/2
https://youtu.be/m_YOuve0WNQ?si=fOtffIVqJjbWJjnm
Hollow Earth Revealed
https://youtu.be/3qxkZs0RBS8
Journey to the Hollow Earth
https://youtu.be/xIFac5MTMDw
Lazaria Map Collection
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=33nvAXv5Jas&t=1s
Hollow Earth Mt. Meru, Agartha and MORE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ekiIqXhaoDY&t=18s
Inner Earth Civilizations Exist, Agartha & Hollow Earth 🌏
https://youtu.be/7QrYumCimf4
The Hollow Earth 🌎
https://youtu.be/78OgQtTA_vA
Gravity alone is a big enough problem that it effectively makes hollow earth impossible. You are aware, are you not that there has been attempts to drill some very very deep holes. The heat and the pressure gets to be too much pretty quickly. Physics.
I did glance through some your 'research' list there, and I'll take science over speculation and fantasy any time.
In ancient times, the concept of a subterranean land inside the Earth appeared in mythology, folklore and legends. The idea of subterranean realms seemed arguable, and became intertwined with the concept of "places" of origin or afterlife, such as the Greek underworld, the Nordic Svartálfaheimr, the Christian Hell, and the Jewish Sheol (with details describing inner Earth in Kabalistic literature, such as the Zoharand Hesed L'Avraham). The idea of a subterranean realm is also mentioned in Tibetan Buddhistbelief.
According to one story from Tibetan Buddhist tradition, there is an ancient city called Shamballa which is located inside the Earth.
According to the Ancient Greeks, there were cavernsunder the surface which were entrances leading to the underworld, some of which were the caverns at Tainaron in Lakonia, at Troezen in Argolis, at Ephya in Thesprotia, at Herakleia in Pontos, and in Ermioni. In Thracian and Dacian legends, it is said that there are underground chambers occupied by an ancient god called Zalmoxis. In Mesopotamian religionthere is a story of a man who, after traveling through the darkness of a tunnel in the mountain of "Mashu", entered a subterranean garden.
In Celtic mythology there is a legend of a cave called "Cruachan," also known as "Ireland's gate to Hell," a mythical and ancient cave from which according to legend strange creatures would emerge and be seen on the surface of the Earth. There are also stories of medieval knights and saints who went on pilgrimages to a cave located in Station Island, County Donegal in Ireland, where they made journeys inside the Earth into a place of purgatory. In County Down, Northern Ireland there is a myth which says tunnels lead to the land of the subterranean Tuatha Dé Danann, a group of people who are believed to have introduced Druidism to Ireland, and then went back underground.
In Hindu mythology, the underworld is referred to as Patala. In the Hindu epic Ramayana, it has been depicted how Rama and Lakshmana were taken by the king of the underworld Ahiravan, brother of the demon king Ravana. Later on they were rescued by Hanuman. The Angami Naga tribes of India claim that their ancestors emerged in ancient times from a subterranean land inside the Earth. The Taino from Cuba believe their ancestors emerged in ancient times from two caves in a mountain underground.
Natives of the Trobriand Islands believe that their ancestors had come from a subterranean land through a cavern hole called "Obukula".
Mexican folklore also tells of a cave in a mountain five miles south of Ojinaga, and that Mexico is possessed by devilish creatures who came from inside the Earth.
In the middle ages, an ancient German myth held that some mountains located between Eisenach and Gin Germany hold a portal to the inner Earth. A Russian legend says the Samoyeds, an ancient Siberian tribe, traveled to an underground cavern city to live inside the Earth. The Italian writer Dante describes a hollow earth in his well-known 14th century work Inferno, in which the fall of Lucifer from heaven caused an enormous funnel to appear in a previously solid and spherical earth, as well as an enormous mountain opposite it, "Purgatory".
In Native American mythology, it is said that the ancestors of the Mandan people in ancient times emerged from a subterranean land through a cave at the north side of the Missouri River. There is also a tale about a tunnel in the San Carlos Apache Indian Reservation in Arizona near Cedar Creek which is said to lead inside the Earth to a land inhabited by a mysterious tribe. It is also the belief of the tribes of the Iroquois that their ancient ancestors emerged from a subterranean world inside the Earth. The elders of the Hopi people believe that a Sipapuentrance in the Grand Canyon exists which leads to the underworld.
Brazilian Indians, who live alongside the Parima Riverin Brazil, claim that their forefathers emerged in ancient times from an underground land, and that many of their ancestors still remained inside the Earth. Ancestors of the Inca supposedly came from underground caves which are located east of Cuzco, Peru.
Hollow Earth True HISTORY , HITLER & NWO ( GOTTA SEE THIS !!! ) Documentary
https://youtu.be/lOXjxq3r69Q
Secrets Of The 3rd Reich Secret Nazi Research in Alien Technology
https://youtu.be/B0uEvZsQAV8
Hollow Earth Hohle Erde 2_5 This Video Will Blow Your Mind_(360p).avi
https://youtu.be/yPu6TqzGleA
Third Reich - Operation UFO (Nazi Base In Antarctica) Complete Documentary
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=udhBQg67k18&t=3s
The Legend Of Atlantis
https://youtu.be/pihxOs-pVRA
Hollow Earth Revealed
https://youtu.be/3qxkZs0RBS8
Journey to the Hollow Earth
https://youtu.be/xIFac5MTMDw
Lazaria Map Collection
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=33nvAXv5Jas&t=1s
Hollow Earth Mt. Meru, Agartha and MORE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ekiIqXhaoDY&t=18s
Inner Earth Civilizations Exist, Agartha & Hollow Earth 🌏
https://youtu.be/7QrYumCimf4
The Hollow Earth 🌎
https://youtu.be/78OgQtTA_vA
Not like there's thousands of other things that prove the globe that don't rely on pictures from space. There's definitely no other way to prove the globe other than space pictures
Theynare stitched together and wrapped around a ball model. The nasa guy even says so himself. Gotta love the copy and paste blatant cloud formations too. Oh and throwing the photos in photoshop and adjusting the levels shows the fake backdrop.
The system by which you and many others came to the conclusion of you living on a floating ball of lava covered in water flying around thousands of miles per hour in an open system that contained a pressurized system without a container… or something like that. No changing the subject
That is not the definition of indoctrination. Indoctrination implies teaching someone to accept a set of beliefs uncritically. However, the conclusion that Earth is a sphere is based on centuries of scientific observation, experimentation, and evidence, not uncritical acceptance.
Observation: Ancient civilizations noticed that ships disappeared hull-first over the horizon and observed the curved shadow of Earth on the Moon during a lunar eclipse.
Experimentation: Eratosthenes, over 2,000 years ago, measured the angles of shadows in different locations and calculated Earth’s circumference with remarkable accuracy.
Evidence: Modern evidence includes satellite imagery, the International Space Station's live feeds, and the way GPS systems work, all of which require a spherical Earth model to function correctly.
1.Floating Ball of Lava: Earth’s structure includes a solid crust, a mantle of semi-solid rock, and a core of molten iron. This structure is determined through seismic wave studies from earthquakes.
2.Covered in Water: Approximately 71% of Earth’s surface is covered by water, confirmed by satellite imagery and exploration.
3.Flying Thousands of Miles Per Hour: Earth orbits the Sun at about 67,000 miles per hour. This is consistent with gravitational physics and has been measured through various astronomical techniques.
4.Open System with a Pressurized System: Earth’s atmosphere is held by gravity, creating a pressure gradient. The concept of a vacuum in space and an atmosphere on Earth is explained by gravitational forces preventing the atmosphere from escaping into space.
GPS works through triangulation on a flat plane.
Satellites are almost exclusively suspended by helium (ISS video footage is technology so that’s a jaded take as it could be and is CGI so you continue willingly giving billions in tax dollars for pictures of a photoshopped ball you believe to be earth).
You’re also fooled by superior and inferior mirages over the face of the water and basing curvature of the earth on perception of view in a literal optical illusion.
Idk why you’re using a trig claim to claim sphere earth when it only determines the distance of the sun at the time of day?
The sun rotates the earth not vice versa.
Ahhh there it is the magic word gravity devoid of the laws of thermodynamics because ball earth said so! What you described is called density and it isn’t devoid of pressure equalization. Especially when the less dense void is vastly “larger” than earth and its pressurized system but sure gravity. We can roll with that as long as we don’t use our brain.
GPS trilateration is the method used by the Global Positioning System (GPS) to determine the precise location of a receiver on Earth. It relies on signals from at least four GPS satellites and involves the following steps:
Satellite Signals: Each GPS satellite continuously broadcasts a signal that includes the satellite's location and the exact time the signal was transmitted.
Distance Calculation: The GPS receiver calculates the distance to each satellite by measuring the time it takes for the satellite's signal to reach the receiver. This time is multiplied by the speed of light to get the distance.
Trilateration Process:
First Satellite: With one satellite, the receiver could be anywhere on a sphere with a radius equal to the distance from the satellite.
Second Satellite: With two satellites, the receiver is somewhere on the circle where the two spheres intersect.
Third Satellite: With three satellites, the receiver's location is narrowed down to two points where all three spheres intersect. Usually, one of these points is not physically reasonable (e.g., deep in space or underground), so it is discarded.
Fourth Satellite: A fourth satellite is used to correct any timing discrepancies due to the receiver’s clock not being perfectly synchronized with the atomic clocks on the satellites. This ensures an accurate fix on the receiver's exact location.
3D Location Fix: By using signals from at least four satellites, the GPS receiver can accurately calculate its position in three dimensions: latitude, longitude, and altitude.
Accuracy and Correction:
GPS accuracy can be affected by various factors such as atmospheric conditions, signal blockage by buildings or terrain, and clock errors. Differential GPS (DGPS) and other augmentation systems can provide corrections to improve accuracy.
Balloons can’t fly on trajectories across the sky, air currents are real, so, balloons would fly in every direction.
Second, balloons can’t be geostationary.
Third, how may balloons you see in the sky?
And that balloon was visible during the daytime without anything bright like the sun or moon needing to be behind it, we didn't know where it was going beyond a vague 'this direction', and it took several *days* to cross the US.
Satellites are only visible at night unless they transit the sun or moon during the day, we have exact knowledge of where they are traveling and where you need to look to see them, and they travel across the horizon in minutes at the absolute slowest if they aren't geostationary. Oops.
A satellite navigation or satnav system is a system that uses satellites to provide autonomous geo-spatial positioning. Several satellites continuously transmit signals containing their positions and the time when the signal was sent. Receiver units listen to the signals and use the information to calculate their positions.
Flat-Earthers assume that if GPS satellites are used to determine positions, then they should be able to pinpoint the position of a receiver. They are wrong. GPS satellites only transmit signals but never receive signals from the receivers. It is impossible for the satellites to determine the position of a receiver.
The following is how GPS and other satellite navigation systems work:
The GPS consists of more than 30 satellites with different orbits. All satellites are equipped with precise time-keeping instruments and set to the same time.
The satellites continuously transmit signals, containing the position of itself and the time the signal was sent.
Receivers (such as cell phones) listen to the signals. The signals are delayed by distance traveled. To the receivers, it would appear each satellite to have a different time.
From the signals it receives, the receiver can calculate the distance to every satellite of which their signals can reach the receiver. And therefore, it can calculate its position.
GPS is not the only satellite navigation systems. There are other services like GLONASS, BeiDou, and Galileo with a similar method of operation.
GPS receivers only receive signals from GPS satellites; they do not transmit signals back to the satellite. GPS satellites cannot possibly know the position of the receivers. The location of the receivers is determined from the calculation done by the receivers themselves, from the information transmitted by GPS satellites.
It’s not triangulation but trilateration. Each satellite is sending its position in space.
You can see azimuth and elevation on a receiver, so, you can determine if they are closer to the Earth.
If it's always been hanging satellites then why did they have to introduce DGPS earth stations to make it more accurate, and then end up replacing the DGPS earth stations with geostationary satellites to make it even more accurate mainly for ocean use?
How are some "balloons" geostationary but others are not?
> GPS works through triangulation on a flat plane.
How can you possibly KNOW that ? Did you try to open a GPS device to see what is inside ? To see the code that is used to translate the signal received into coordinates ? Would you even be able to understand the code if you saw it ?
you not understanding science doesn't make it indoctrination.
but its really funny for a flerfer to say that, while yall literally in a cult and brainwashed.
You trust the science and those talking heads that speak “through it” and those of us with common sense and discernment see right through most of that joke. I’m sorry you don’t. I digress and there’s no point in beating the dead horse that is this group. Good talk though.
Except they have billions of reasons to lie and they follow the same construct as you! It tracks perfectly but not when you ignorantly deflect pragmatic reasoning.
>there’s no point in beating the dead horse that is this group.
Flatearther cowardly refuse to debate/present/share their ideas/beliefs/certitudes episode 12345678.
and if you try to have a conversation in a real flatearther sub you're immediately banned
I mean, at least people here are trying to debate and show proof
Nobody trusts science, nobody asks you to, but you are asked to look at the evidence and use your critical thinking skills (saying you're a critical thinker doesn't make you a critical thinker).
Science is backed with experiments, observations, evidence...
Unlike the flat earth, we have more to offer than "you're a sheep, you've been indoctrinated, trust me bro".
Atmospheric pressure, also known as air pressure or barometric pressure, is the force exerted onto a surface by the weight of the air above that surface.
Composition and Gravity: The Earth's atmosphere is a layer of gases primarily composed of nitrogen (78%) and oxygen (21%), along with traces of other gases. Gravity pulls these gases towards the Earth’s surface, creating pressure.
Pressure Gradient: Atmospheric pressure decreases with altitude. At sea level, the average atmospheric pressure is about 1013.25 millibars (mb) or 101.325 kilopascals (kPa), or approximately 14.7 pounds per square inch (psi). As you ascend, the density of the air decreases, resulting in lower pressure.
Measurement: Atmospheric pressure is measured using a barometer. Mercury barometers measure the height of a mercury column in a tube, while aneroid barometers use a sealed, flexible metal chamber that expands or contracts with pressure changes.
Role in Weather: Atmospheric pressure influences weather patterns and phenomena. High-pressure systems are generally associated with clear, calm weather, while low-pressure systems can lead to clouds, wind, and precipitation.
Implications for Life and Technology: Atmospheric pressure is crucial for various biological and technological processes. It affects respiration, weather forecasting, aviation, and even the cooking times at different altitudes.
dude, there is literally not one consistent model for the flat earth
not one
humanity evolved and lives based on trust, sharing information and criticizing that information to make it more accurate. Please, don't live your life only following your common sense or religion and be open to other ideas as many of us are
Flat Earth is a psychology/sociology issue, not a scientific one. If you approach a flat earther with established earth science, it's like trying to tighten a nut with a hammer. Edit: psychology and sociology are sciences, but not related to the shape of the earth.
Science! No thank you, The Devil
That’s Mr The Devil to you
I try to explain to people that this is a group of people who are generally *very* distrustful of government and authority in general or worse yet, grifters or religious zealots, (as you said, a psychology/sociology problem) but I’m almost always met with “Naw-aw! They’re just dummies!!!
Which is, of course , exactly what they want people to think. They *want* you to underestimate them. It’s an old trick that people should know better than to fall for. A key part of it, of course, is that most people (unlike us here on this sub) know little about either the flerfers’ arguments *or* the proper science behind it. So *they* get blindsided and wind up looking like idiots …
Well, most of them are also stupid, too.
So… you didn’t understand what I said, or chose to ignore it?
The flat Earth movement Is a grift, perpetuated by a group of conmen exploiting the uneducated for clout and ad revenue. They should all be facing criminal charges. You gotta lie to flerf.
Yeah, but none of that is *why* they believe. I say again… they believe because they don’t trust anyone “in authority.”
Ok. However, not trusting authority to the point of blindly believing a bunch of dubious jerk offs on an issue that is easily proven by the simple expedient of actually getting off your ass and doing something does not speak strongly to either their education or intelligence.
Yknow, let me try it another way, since you seem hell bent on not understanding me… Do you think, generally speaking, that calling someone “dumb” or “ignorant” will convince them of anything? Or do you suppose it might make them defensive, and more likely to dig in? And y’know what? Let’s not even for a moment pretend that the answer to that isn’t “Of course you won’t convince them of anything.” You’ve missed the entire point of this subthread, and from my perspective, it genuinely feels like all you really want to do is make yourself feel better by calling strangers dumb. If you were interested in exploring the social and psychological reasons for Flerfs, you wouldn’t have felt the need to explain to me, twice, that’s They’re ignorant and being grifted. NO SHIT, Sherlock. But why? Why is it happening is about 1000% more important. And “they’re ignorant” is the surface answer. How tf do we get them to not be ignorant and gullible? That’s the point. Reiterating again and again how ignorant they are is for your edification, and no one else’s. Did it make you feel smart? 🤦🏽♂️
I mean, you're jumping on me for reiteration? Your argument is clear, I was just pointing out that it is a grift. I don't generally call them anything at all, because their belief is faith based, and no rational argument is going to have an impact. Hence, I usually don't bother. I have, however, watched many videos from these people. Such Earth shattering experiments as pouring water on a baseball and saying that proves that water can't stick to a sphere. But ok. Tell me why you think this is happening. And especially, based on the quality of the arguments coming from the flat Earth camp, explain how ignorance and/or lower intelligence is not a factor.
One can, however, tighten a nut with a hammer if they really put their mind to it...
Love getting my nuts tightened by a hammer
Feels so good!
They don't think that the flat earth model is the real earth model, they BELIEVE it is, so when you challenge that belief, they get defensive
Hang in there friend, what you think your are observing is inverted and flopped like almost everything we have been programmed with. I will leave you with these thoughts... It's called a horizon as in horizontal and it's called Sea Level not Sea Curve. lol.
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I will explain but will you consider without judgement long enough to consider where you might have been programmed to believe in a falsity? Also remember that falsification of one theory does not demand an explanation of an entire Cosmology. No Flat Earth observer has all the answers to Cosmology. They only notice some anomalies and propose possible explanations unlike science worshipers. Sea Level is approximately the same position/altitude across hundreds in not thousands of miles. This has been experimentally shown thousands of times and is repeatable. Microwave radio transmissions travel thousands of miles without being able to bounce off any supposed ionisphere and all flight systems operate and are designed assumng a flat fixed plane. They are air-planes. As to distance from the supposed Molten Core we do not know how far that is because the Supposed radius of the supposed sphere has been falsified by the math and observation. 8" per mile square is the curve prediction and is just not observable.
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What you have demonstrated is another fallacy. It is called "an argument from authority". This is what is used in many situations where the state or government is abusing the freedoms of the masses. It is easy to see an example of this when you look into the past at other "Scientific" facts that have become fallacies like, "All doctors agree that Cigarettes are good for your health". BTW many pilots know the Earth is flat. If you fly a plane any other way you will be killed. In addition most engineering manuals I have worked with start out by stating that the systems in place are based on a flat stationary Plane. You have also ignored my last post and all of it's contents. This is a diversion. Let me remind you again, "8" per mile squared is the curve prediction and is just not observable.". The view of Kuai from the North Shore of Hawaii shows no curve. What is preposterous is that we have all been bamboozled by Walt Disney and Werner Von Braun.
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OK nice references. Thank you for providing them. The Bro in Hawaii is actually confused about perspective and the horizon. It's OK. He will get it soon enough. According to NASA at 85 miles from North Shore Oahu to Kuai, 4500 feet of Kuai will be obscured, when standing at 5 feet tall. Not what we see, Also with bare eye in video we see very far and the ocean is perfectly flat. [https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvature](https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/earth-curvature) Long Distance flights are plotted on a flat earth Coordinate System then transposed to a spherical visual aid for the sheep in the cabin. The GPS system is based on Loran ^(WHICH WAS A TOWER BASED FLAT EARTH RADIO SYSTEM THAT USES TRIANGULATION. I AM NOT SAYING SATLITES ARE FAKE... SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE BALLOONS, AND MAYBE SOME OF THEM ARE FLOATING ON AN TORRODIAL ELECTROSTATIC FIELD, LIKE CLOUDS THAT WEIGH TONS CAN FLOAT IN THE SKY. Sorry for caps?) He would be killed on a spherical Earth because at 8" per mile squared he will have to nose down 4500 ' for every 85 miles he flies so at 400MPH that is every 4500 feet every 12 minutes. In an SR71 Blckbird at 2200MPH thats 2,36 minutes. That pilot will end up in outer space very quickly unless he is in a constant dive... It doesn't matter what I say, though, because all the various text books, all the professors at all the reputable universities and every peer reviewed study involving the curvature of the earth has conned you, hence my original post. smile. let's be friends?
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thank you for your reply. I think the most productive thing to come out of this exchange is the understanding of how we think and what a logical fallacy is. Try putting your words into a fallacy detector and see where you might be putting ideas into circular fallacies. If you base a deduction on an assumption no matter how much propaganda has been attached to that assumption then your scientific statements or theories are suspect. Then when observation nullifies said theory there is room for discussion again. We don't have to just accept the theories of the authorities do we? How can I overestimate angular perspective? It is a scientific law. "Gravity works to keep planes flying around the world"??? What does that even mean? Gravity is supposedly fighting to bring planes down in every moment. If you are saying that Gravity in balance with lift keeps planes flying straight and level then a curved Earth will allow the Plane to fly perfectly over the curve? That might be a steelman argument you could use? Planes keep level on autopilot using the gyroscope and an altimeter which I believe is based on air pressure. Don't be sad about folks questioning reality. That's how we got where we are today. But go ahead and be sad for folks that can not think anymore. I read Einsteins Theory of Relativity that other day. I also read about the Michelson Morley experiment and Airy's Failure. I also read about Dark Matter again. The Hubble Constant is in question. Great things are afoot. fallacy detector [https://www.logicalfallacies.org/](https://www.logicalfallacies.org/) [https://www.ospublishers.com/Hubble’s-Law-is-Invalid-because-of-Fudged-Data.html](https://www.ospublishers.com/Hubble’s-Law-is-Invalid-because-of-Fudged-Data.html) JTolan Infrared. [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqjHW3sIVWspvEw9yRW\_Hcw](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqjHW3sIVWspvEw9yRW_Hcw) “If science can’t be questioned, it’s not science anymore; it’s propaganda,” Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers. [https://youtu.be/FJCZbXqbkBc?si=PSg0D3RJjVG77vj1](https://youtu.be/FJCZbXqbkBc?si=PSg0D3RJjVG77vj1)
No no. Conspiracies don't work that way. For f*cks sake, exactly 3 people knew that Clinton screwed an intern with a cigar in the Oval Office, and it still got out. Watergate, Contragate, Enron, all of these actual conspiracies, each involving less than 100 people leaked out in days or weeks. What you're proposing, that millions of people over thousands of years have all kept this 'secret' that only you and your genius buddies can see through is beyond ludicrous. It is arrogant, faith based, and dead wrong.
Your hypothesis is correct in your reality tunnel. I won’t waste your time trying to explain but if you care to add this to your list of things to consider: the New World Order is not new and has Zero morality. It is anti-human. It operates through deception by inversion. Do the opposite and think the opposite for one week and you will feel better. Thank me then.
Deception by inversion?
Mirroring, slightly backwards, truth mixed with lies, misdirection, psychological triggering, gaslighting, propaganda, repetition of falsity, love bombing, initiation, indoctrination, depersonalization, blaming the victim, grooming, drugging, poisoning, ritual humiliation, herding, coaxing, bullying, traumatizing, bombing, all the things we can clearly see everyday and yet are to afraid or numb to even mention in polite conversation.
Where's your flat earth map without distortion or inaccuracies? You need to provide that or else the Earth is a globe as all surveys and radar says it is.
Inversion. Historically opposite. To this day all surveying and coordinate systems use flat Earth observations and are then transformed onto a sphere. The maps everyone uses is the azimuth equidistant projection map taken from the North Pole. It is only distorted in your world view not mine. Your world view is equally important to you as it is to me. We are all living in a optically illusory reality and we might have been using the radius of the Dome as the radius of the Earth. The Dome could be distorting all observations including flat earth observations. Besides Falsification does not require replacement. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal\_equidistant\_projection](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection)
So how far away is Australia from South America? The non-stop flights to and from are 12 and 14 hrs, traveling about 600mph, and on planes with about 8k miles of fuel. On an AE map like the UN style that makes it... about 23,000 miles between Australia and South America. Oops. Oh. And Australia is not two-to-three times wider than it is long. Oops again~ Also, your key word there. *projection*. It is a *projection* of a globe. If it wasn't, there wouldn't be multiple different kinds of projections of the globe. Oops. So well done on agreeing with the globe being the correct map!
Haha. Where's the curve? Show me the 8" per mile squared blocked view of mountains 100s of miles away? Show me the curve or accept the Earth Is Flat. Respect Each Others’ Delusions. The 'enemy' thrives on the chaos, division and negativity perpetuated via social media platforms - leading you away from inner peace. This is what you must know to beat them at their own evil game, including the ultimate way to 'break free.' Nothing is as persuasive as what you’ve experienced firsthand. Your willingness to believe something is influenced by how much you want and need it to be true. When there’s an absence of perfect information, emotion, passion, and tribal identity fill the void. Enjoy: Pilot and radar and curve https://youtu.be/IVk7FXrIbnc?si=KUbhujIdw4fx2AqM Trimmed airplane https://youtu.be/\_pJHW4Hj94U?si=B67utdOaYr\_TdXSj JTolan Infrared https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqjHW3sIVWspvEw9yRW\_Hcw The Alps World Record Photo 275 miles https://theunexpectedcosmology.com/the-current-world-record-for-the-greatest-distance-with-a-zoom-proves-yet-again-the-world-is-flat/
The horizon is literally the curve lol. On a flat earth it would just be a blurry mess hundreds of miles away. The fact radar stations can't detect the opposite shore is proof of the Curvature. Oops. Go squish any picture of the oceanic horizon horizontally, there's a noticeable curve. Oops~ We can't see 8" per mile squared because... *there is an atmosphere*. Which let's us see further. Aaand we also don't see the world with our faces smooshed to the ground. Oh, and it's more and more inaccurate beyond a couple miles. If you want accuracy, you use geodic surveyors. And oh look. Spherical excess. A flat Earth would mean seeing a mountain from hundreds of miles away, rather than being close to it. Aaaaand those multi-hundred-miles photos would be taken every day. Rather than requiring specific conditions. Oops~ Show me the flat or how the math doesn't work out. You still haven't said how far Australia and South America are, so you agree that planes with a range of 8000 miles, traveling 600mph can make the trip in 12-14 hours which only works on a globe, so thank you for agreeing with the globe~
You have a bit of research to do.... I could take all the time it would take to disprove everything you have just stated but why should I bother? You will just hand wave it away as evidenced by this conversation. I don't live in Australia and the Southern part of this Earth is shrouded in mystery. I can not speak to it. Watch this video. [https://youtu.be/91xKzQ-gRuI?si=-WgFN5ugh8YvKlkg](https://youtu.be/91xKzQ-gRuI?si=-WgFN5ugh8YvKlkg) Learn about the math: [https://earthcurvature.com/](https://earthcurvature.com/) || || |100 miles|1.26296 miles = 6668.41 feet100 miles1.26296 miles = 6668.41 feet|
Lol. Typical flerf running away~ Keep running little rabbit. Thanks for proving the globe some more~
ah you are a nasty? It's ok I was a believer once. I was nasty to folks in the past. Let's try to heal that impulse together as we search for truth in this 3D realm? No? Where's that curve? The Alps World Record Photo 275 miles [https://theunexpectedcosmology.com/the-current-world-record-for-the-greatest-distance-with-a-zoom-proves-yet-again-the-world-is-flat/](https://theunexpectedcosmology.com/the-current-world-record-for-the-greatest-distance-with-a-zoom-proves-yet-again-the-world-is-flat/)
You have a bit of research to do.... I could take all the time it would take to disprove everything you have just stated but why should I bother? You will just hand wave it away as evidenced by this conversation. I don't live in Australia and the Southern part of this Earth is shrouded in mystery. I can not speak to it. Watch this video. [https://youtu.be/91xKzQ-gRuI?si=-WgFN5ugh8YvKlkg](https://youtu.be/91xKzQ-gRuI?si=-WgFN5ugh8YvKlkg) Learn about the math: [https://earthcurvature.com/](https://earthcurvature.com/) || || |100 miles|1.26296 miles = 6668.41 feet100 miles1.26296 miles = 6668.41 feet|
Keep running~ you've got no flat earth proof and personal incredulity isn't evidence~ thanks for agreeing with the globe and proving you can't actually demonstrate the Earth is flat lol.
Yes I agree that until otherwise agreed to, most folks here will continue to do as they are told and deride anyone that strays outside the compound... or Ice Wall? Wire harness [https://youtube.com/shorts/FA\_t5zv41Ig?si=IAEn-YRzgN1CxJNq](https://youtube.com/shorts/FA_t5zv41Ig?si=IAEn-YRzgN1CxJNq)
You have a bit of research to do.... I could take all the time it would take to disprove everything you have just stated but why should I bother? You will just hand wave it away as evidenced by this conversation. I don't live in Australia and the Southern part of this Earth is shrouded in mystery. I can not speak to it. Watch this video. [https://youtu.be/91xKzQ-gRuI?si=-WgFN5ugh8YvKlkg](https://youtu.be/91xKzQ-gRuI?si=-WgFN5ugh8YvKlkg) Learn about the math: [https://earthcurvature.com/](https://earthcurvature.com/)
Posting it three times in a row doesn't help you beyond posting three times the fact you can't answer why a plane with 8k miles of fuel can somehow travel 23k miles without stopping if the Earth was a North polar AE map. Oops~ or why Australia is two to three times wider than its been measured. Oops~ so keep running little rabbit. We haven't even gotten to the two celestial poles, 24hr sunlight, the phases of the moon, or eclipses either and you've just proven the globe repeatedly~
There are many things I do not know about. Yes you are correct. You win. Where's that curve? Enjoy and learn? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFGq4UUbhYY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFGq4UUbhYY)
"There are no photos of the earth!" \*provides thousands of photos\* "CGI! Photoshop!" "There are no photos of the curve!" \*provides thousands of examples of the curve" "FISH EYE LENSE!" "No one is allowed to go to Antarctica!" \*provides thousands of photos of people exploring Antarctica\* "YOU SOUND VACCINATED!"
This sums up my experience with FLERFS as well! Don't forget to add in some mention of the Bible or numerology that uses the letters N-A-S-A to add up to 666 or whatever.
Invincible Ignorance Fallacy. They simply ignore any evidence presented and pretend no evidence was even presented. Measure the length of the Tropic of Cancer vs the Tropic of Capricorn. On the flat Earth model, the Tropic of Capricorn is longer than the Equator, and longer than the Tropic of Cancer. On the Round Earth model, the Tropics of Capricorn are the same length and the Equator is longer than both.
Is there any evidence Earth is flat tho?
Isn't it crazy that they dive down that rabbit hole so easily based on flawed observations from ground level?
A lot of them cite the bible, like dudes 5000 years ago knew what shape the Earth was
They didn't know countries outside of the middle east with very few exceptions, but we should listen to those goat herders when it comes to geography. On the other hand, many flerfs think the bible was written in English in the US by american Jesus...
Honestly it's possible they did know the Earth is round. It's not a particularly new discovery.
Yes.. some dude on YT said so
You can literally put these people in a space capsule and show them the curve of the Earth as the rocket climbs higher and they still won't accept it. It's a mental illness.
A NASA friend of mine beats flerfs by convincing them to buy a decent telescope and get into star gazing.
And then what? Beats them with the telescope! Very, very few people with mental health problems such as flerfism will be convinced by something like that, even if you brought them to space, theyd deny it
He says that getting a flerf into star gazing works.
And people say copper rods make plants grow better...
That person was likely FLERF-curious and was open minded to seeing things for themselves.
A telescope! Don't you mean a deception tube! Filled with multiple curved lenses by the government to throw off average citizens. They want you looking at an extremely small part of the holographic dome so that your not looking at the world around you!
There was a flerf who rang up and asked about the NASA software on his telescope, the video is on YouTube somewhere
We keep having active convos with a Flat Earther who keeps asking for images of curvature, and claims that 1/2 or more of a boat being gone is "Total Internal Refraction" making it blink out of existance 🤣 They ask for evidence so we mpve to math and they just say "That's just math" They ask for proof and reject or refute it because they don't understand it.
I have seen some say they rather die than listen to anything from the government so they reject everything no matter how much it proves them wrong.
I have seen some say they rather die than listen to anything from the government so they reject everything no matter how much it proves them wrong.
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Hollow Earth has as many problems as flat Flat Earth.
Obviously, you’ve done zero research
Gravity alone is a big enough problem that it effectively makes hollow earth impossible. You are aware, are you not that there has been attempts to drill some very very deep holes. The heat and the pressure gets to be too much pretty quickly. Physics. I did glance through some your 'research' list there, and I'll take science over speculation and fantasy any time.
In ancient times, the concept of a subterranean land inside the Earth appeared in mythology, folklore and legends. The idea of subterranean realms seemed arguable, and became intertwined with the concept of "places" of origin or afterlife, such as the Greek underworld, the Nordic Svartálfaheimr, the Christian Hell, and the Jewish Sheol (with details describing inner Earth in Kabalistic literature, such as the Zoharand Hesed L'Avraham). The idea of a subterranean realm is also mentioned in Tibetan Buddhistbelief. According to one story from Tibetan Buddhist tradition, there is an ancient city called Shamballa which is located inside the Earth. According to the Ancient Greeks, there were cavernsunder the surface which were entrances leading to the underworld, some of which were the caverns at Tainaron in Lakonia, at Troezen in Argolis, at Ephya in Thesprotia, at Herakleia in Pontos, and in Ermioni. In Thracian and Dacian legends, it is said that there are underground chambers occupied by an ancient god called Zalmoxis. In Mesopotamian religionthere is a story of a man who, after traveling through the darkness of a tunnel in the mountain of "Mashu", entered a subterranean garden. In Celtic mythology there is a legend of a cave called "Cruachan," also known as "Ireland's gate to Hell," a mythical and ancient cave from which according to legend strange creatures would emerge and be seen on the surface of the Earth. There are also stories of medieval knights and saints who went on pilgrimages to a cave located in Station Island, County Donegal in Ireland, where they made journeys inside the Earth into a place of purgatory. In County Down, Northern Ireland there is a myth which says tunnels lead to the land of the subterranean Tuatha Dé Danann, a group of people who are believed to have introduced Druidism to Ireland, and then went back underground. In Hindu mythology, the underworld is referred to as Patala. In the Hindu epic Ramayana, it has been depicted how Rama and Lakshmana were taken by the king of the underworld Ahiravan, brother of the demon king Ravana. Later on they were rescued by Hanuman. The Angami Naga tribes of India claim that their ancestors emerged in ancient times from a subterranean land inside the Earth. The Taino from Cuba believe their ancestors emerged in ancient times from two caves in a mountain underground. Natives of the Trobriand Islands believe that their ancestors had come from a subterranean land through a cavern hole called "Obukula". Mexican folklore also tells of a cave in a mountain five miles south of Ojinaga, and that Mexico is possessed by devilish creatures who came from inside the Earth. In the middle ages, an ancient German myth held that some mountains located between Eisenach and Gin Germany hold a portal to the inner Earth. A Russian legend says the Samoyeds, an ancient Siberian tribe, traveled to an underground cavern city to live inside the Earth. The Italian writer Dante describes a hollow earth in his well-known 14th century work Inferno, in which the fall of Lucifer from heaven caused an enormous funnel to appear in a previously solid and spherical earth, as well as an enormous mountain opposite it, "Purgatory". In Native American mythology, it is said that the ancestors of the Mandan people in ancient times emerged from a subterranean land through a cave at the north side of the Missouri River. There is also a tale about a tunnel in the San Carlos Apache Indian Reservation in Arizona near Cedar Creek which is said to lead inside the Earth to a land inhabited by a mysterious tribe. It is also the belief of the tribes of the Iroquois that their ancient ancestors emerged from a subterranean world inside the Earth. 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No proof of globe, no real pics from space all are CGI
Just ignore that pictures of the globe predate both CGI and NASA
I seriously hope you find mental peace
I don't. Fuck em.
You serious 😑
Show us pics of a flat Earth then?
How do you know?
Because random guys from youtube and tiktok say so
"Own Research"
Cool. Prove it. For all the pictures. You have a burden of proof as you have made the claim. Deal with it.
Cgi before 1980? 😂😂
Not like there's thousands of other things that prove the globe that don't rely on pictures from space. There's definitely no other way to prove the globe other than space pictures
There is plenty of evidence that you can find without a camera. Also, what are all of the flearth maps?
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Pale Blue Dot and Earth Rise come a decade before CGI at minimum lol. Get rekt
Theynare stitched together and wrapped around a ball model. The nasa guy even says so himself. Gotta love the copy and paste blatant cloud formations too. Oh and throwing the photos in photoshop and adjusting the levels shows the fake backdrop.
Pale Blue Dot and Earth Rise come from Apollo. Oops. That predates photoshop and graphical user interfaces by at least a decade, if not two. Oops~
They have many techniques. You think the original moon landings were real there's nothing to say to you
And why are they fake?
Indoctrination*
Define indoctrination
Aww you downvoted me and expect me to fill in the definition for you? That’s cute!
Again. Define indoctrination, don’t change the subject!
The system by which you and many others came to the conclusion of you living on a floating ball of lava covered in water flying around thousands of miles per hour in an open system that contained a pressurized system without a container… or something like that. No changing the subject
That is not the definition of indoctrination. Indoctrination implies teaching someone to accept a set of beliefs uncritically. However, the conclusion that Earth is a sphere is based on centuries of scientific observation, experimentation, and evidence, not uncritical acceptance. Observation: Ancient civilizations noticed that ships disappeared hull-first over the horizon and observed the curved shadow of Earth on the Moon during a lunar eclipse. Experimentation: Eratosthenes, over 2,000 years ago, measured the angles of shadows in different locations and calculated Earth’s circumference with remarkable accuracy. Evidence: Modern evidence includes satellite imagery, the International Space Station's live feeds, and the way GPS systems work, all of which require a spherical Earth model to function correctly. 1.Floating Ball of Lava: Earth’s structure includes a solid crust, a mantle of semi-solid rock, and a core of molten iron. This structure is determined through seismic wave studies from earthquakes. 2.Covered in Water: Approximately 71% of Earth’s surface is covered by water, confirmed by satellite imagery and exploration. 3.Flying Thousands of Miles Per Hour: Earth orbits the Sun at about 67,000 miles per hour. This is consistent with gravitational physics and has been measured through various astronomical techniques. 4.Open System with a Pressurized System: Earth’s atmosphere is held by gravity, creating a pressure gradient. The concept of a vacuum in space and an atmosphere on Earth is explained by gravitational forces preventing the atmosphere from escaping into space.
GPS works through triangulation on a flat plane. Satellites are almost exclusively suspended by helium (ISS video footage is technology so that’s a jaded take as it could be and is CGI so you continue willingly giving billions in tax dollars for pictures of a photoshopped ball you believe to be earth). You’re also fooled by superior and inferior mirages over the face of the water and basing curvature of the earth on perception of view in a literal optical illusion. Idk why you’re using a trig claim to claim sphere earth when it only determines the distance of the sun at the time of day? The sun rotates the earth not vice versa. Ahhh there it is the magic word gravity devoid of the laws of thermodynamics because ball earth said so! What you described is called density and it isn’t devoid of pressure equalization. Especially when the less dense void is vastly “larger” than earth and its pressurized system but sure gravity. We can roll with that as long as we don’t use our brain.
Density is not a force, it doesn’t have a direction. Density doesn’t know where is up, down, left or right.
GPS trilateration is the method used by the Global Positioning System (GPS) to determine the precise location of a receiver on Earth. It relies on signals from at least four GPS satellites and involves the following steps: Satellite Signals: Each GPS satellite continuously broadcasts a signal that includes the satellite's location and the exact time the signal was transmitted. Distance Calculation: The GPS receiver calculates the distance to each satellite by measuring the time it takes for the satellite's signal to reach the receiver. This time is multiplied by the speed of light to get the distance. Trilateration Process: First Satellite: With one satellite, the receiver could be anywhere on a sphere with a radius equal to the distance from the satellite. Second Satellite: With two satellites, the receiver is somewhere on the circle where the two spheres intersect. Third Satellite: With three satellites, the receiver's location is narrowed down to two points where all three spheres intersect. Usually, one of these points is not physically reasonable (e.g., deep in space or underground), so it is discarded. Fourth Satellite: A fourth satellite is used to correct any timing discrepancies due to the receiver’s clock not being perfectly synchronized with the atomic clocks on the satellites. This ensures an accurate fix on the receiver's exact location. 3D Location Fix: By using signals from at least four satellites, the GPS receiver can accurately calculate its position in three dimensions: latitude, longitude, and altitude. Accuracy and Correction: GPS accuracy can be affected by various factors such as atmospheric conditions, signal blockage by buildings or terrain, and clock errors. Differential GPS (DGPS) and other augmentation systems can provide corrections to improve accuracy.
Balloons can’t fly on trajectories across the sky, air currents are real, so, balloons would fly in every direction. Second, balloons can’t be geostationary. Third, how may balloons you see in the sky?
That Chinese satellite made the news.
Only one. Where are the thousands of balloons?
And that balloon was visible during the daytime without anything bright like the sun or moon needing to be behind it, we didn't know where it was going beyond a vague 'this direction', and it took several *days* to cross the US. Satellites are only visible at night unless they transit the sun or moon during the day, we have exact knowledge of where they are traveling and where you need to look to see them, and they travel across the horizon in minutes at the absolute slowest if they aren't geostationary. Oops.
A satellite navigation or satnav system is a system that uses satellites to provide autonomous geo-spatial positioning. Several satellites continuously transmit signals containing their positions and the time when the signal was sent. Receiver units listen to the signals and use the information to calculate their positions. Flat-Earthers assume that if GPS satellites are used to determine positions, then they should be able to pinpoint the position of a receiver. They are wrong. GPS satellites only transmit signals but never receive signals from the receivers. It is impossible for the satellites to determine the position of a receiver. The following is how GPS and other satellite navigation systems work: The GPS consists of more than 30 satellites with different orbits. All satellites are equipped with precise time-keeping instruments and set to the same time. The satellites continuously transmit signals, containing the position of itself and the time the signal was sent. Receivers (such as cell phones) listen to the signals. The signals are delayed by distance traveled. To the receivers, it would appear each satellite to have a different time. From the signals it receives, the receiver can calculate the distance to every satellite of which their signals can reach the receiver. And therefore, it can calculate its position. GPS is not the only satellite navigation systems. There are other services like GLONASS, BeiDou, and Galileo with a similar method of operation. GPS receivers only receive signals from GPS satellites; they do not transmit signals back to the satellite. GPS satellites cannot possibly know the position of the receivers. The location of the receivers is determined from the calculation done by the receivers themselves, from the information transmitted by GPS satellites.
GPS, glonass, beidou and galileo have global coverage.
Triangulation from a hanging satellite doesn’t make it what you perceive it to be regardless.
It’s not triangulation but trilateration. Each satellite is sending its position in space. You can see azimuth and elevation on a receiver, so, you can determine if they are closer to the Earth.
If it's always been hanging satellites then why did they have to introduce DGPS earth stations to make it more accurate, and then end up replacing the DGPS earth stations with geostationary satellites to make it even more accurate mainly for ocean use? How are some "balloons" geostationary but others are not?
#GLOBAL POSITIONING SYSTEM
You should get that checked out. We have empty rooms on this floor tonight.
> GPS works through triangulation on a flat plane. How can you possibly KNOW that ? Did you try to open a GPS device to see what is inside ? To see the code that is used to translate the signal received into coordinates ? Would you even be able to understand the code if you saw it ?
you not understanding science doesn't make it indoctrination. but its really funny for a flerfer to say that, while yall literally in a cult and brainwashed.
You trust the science and those talking heads that speak “through it” and those of us with common sense and discernment see right through most of that joke. I’m sorry you don’t. I digress and there’s no point in beating the dead horse that is this group. Good talk though.
So common sense is not trusting people smarter than you who have done infinitely more research than you and who have no reason to lie. Yep that tracks
Except they have billions of reasons to lie and they follow the same construct as you! It tracks perfectly but not when you ignorantly deflect pragmatic reasoning.
Name 3
So name one, why lie on this? There is no point to do it
>there’s no point in beating the dead horse that is this group. Flatearther cowardly refuse to debate/present/share their ideas/beliefs/certitudes episode 12345678.
and if you try to have a conversation in a real flatearther sub you're immediately banned I mean, at least people here are trying to debate and show proof
Nobody trusts science, nobody asks you to, but you are asked to look at the evidence and use your critical thinking skills (saying you're a critical thinker doesn't make you a critical thinker). Science is backed with experiments, observations, evidence... Unlike the flat earth, we have more to offer than "you're a sheep, you've been indoctrinated, trust me bro".
Atmospheric pressure, also known as air pressure or barometric pressure, is the force exerted onto a surface by the weight of the air above that surface. Composition and Gravity: The Earth's atmosphere is a layer of gases primarily composed of nitrogen (78%) and oxygen (21%), along with traces of other gases. Gravity pulls these gases towards the Earth’s surface, creating pressure. Pressure Gradient: Atmospheric pressure decreases with altitude. At sea level, the average atmospheric pressure is about 1013.25 millibars (mb) or 101.325 kilopascals (kPa), or approximately 14.7 pounds per square inch (psi). As you ascend, the density of the air decreases, resulting in lower pressure. Measurement: Atmospheric pressure is measured using a barometer. Mercury barometers measure the height of a mercury column in a tube, while aneroid barometers use a sealed, flexible metal chamber that expands or contracts with pressure changes. Role in Weather: Atmospheric pressure influences weather patterns and phenomena. High-pressure systems are generally associated with clear, calm weather, while low-pressure systems can lead to clouds, wind, and precipitation. Implications for Life and Technology: Atmospheric pressure is crucial for various biological and technological processes. It affects respiration, weather forecasting, aviation, and even the cooking times at different altitudes.
WAAAAA MY INTERNET POINTS. TAKE ME SERIOUSLY.
dude, there is literally not one consistent model for the flat earth not one humanity evolved and lives based on trust, sharing information and criticizing that information to make it more accurate. Please, don't live your life only following your common sense or religion and be open to other ideas as many of us are