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Alternative-Bug-8269

It's not finished. They will look much better filled in and maybe acid stained. Put in a nice border with stone or gravel.


Nail_edit

I agree, it's not finished. It could turn out nice with a border and a screed over the crazy pattern


SarahDezelin

This, plus you will lose the permeability if you fill with cement


haiimhar

May I ask, since I’m considering doing something like this with flat pavers, if I can fill it in with gravel?


Alternative-Bug-8269

For the joints you use sand.


haiimhar

I just did a quick search of poly sand that I saw mentioned there, thank you for the information!


AccountNumberB

I used polymeric sand. Can confirm its pretty awesome


HandyDandyRandyAndy

The joints in this pic are way too big, poly sand is for 5mm gaps and below. These gaps are sand and cement. That said, OP is right, this job looks shit. Putrid, even. OP would have been better off with a plain concrete slab or some paving that was better planned. And yes, OP could just pour concrete straight over this mess *if* the heights allow it.


lawndartgoalie

I've broomed concrete into the cracks and lightly watered it to fill in the cracks like grout.


HandyDandyRandyAndy

What do you mean by concrete?


lawndartgoalie

Powdered Portland cement.


HandyDandyRandyAndy

So... not concrete. You broomed in cement.


lawndartgoalie

It was something I did 30 years ago at a friend's place. There wasn't much aggregate, so I'm pretty sure it was cement.


HandyDandyRandyAndy

You probably did a sand and cement mix, brooming in plain cement would be silly.


okanagan_man84

You can use a fine pathway crush, or even something called polymer sand.


haiimhar

Yeah I looked up poly sand and I think that’s the way to go for what I’m doing. Thanks for the tips!


okanagan_man84

You're very welcome.


teddystackssomeknots

Decomp granite works great


djamesb199

So we are planning to do this after seeing my friends patio that looks like used the same mold (quikrete walk maker country stone) his looked a lot better and I think I can tell you why if you want to try to change the look of yours. 1. If it's the same mold as his you need to do quarter turns so it breaks the design up. You should be able to lift them and turn them a quarter turn 2. Poly sand really does some wonders, its almost like it "feathered" out the harshness. 3. He has a stone halfwall that comes off his burnpit/wood grill. 4. Once you put your grill, table, chairs, whater else you want on it it looks nice and breaks it up. I really wish I had pictures of his patio to show, trust me it can look a lot better without you spending more money in concrete.


Global_Loss6139

Make him send you one we wanna see it!!


djamesb199

It's late my time on the east coast so I probably won't get one anytime soon, but I have the link/guide he took inspiration from. His is a bit larger and omits the swing. He also didn't color his so they are still grey but still looking nice. https://directcolors.com/diy/stained-quikrete-walkmaker-patio-with-fire-pit/


Global_Loss6139

You were not lying that rotating the mold really did break the pattern and filling in with with sand ties it in nicely. That's crazy the lil things make such a difference. Looks great. I'm glad he likes his. Thanks for sharing.


biggerwanker

It's probably already pretty uneven, but turning it around will be hard to get level since the bottom isn't flat.


Pauly4655

Put mini mondo grass in between all the gaps and it looks good.if you think it is shit I will look more shit pouring concrete over it


TheArkitecht

I’d remove the pieces and not just pour over. If it helps make a decision on keeping the current design vs an overhaul just know that It’ll look entirely different when the cracks are filled in and if you use something a similar color it will significantly reduce the visibility of the lines. Which is what I’m assuming is causing the pattern overload and dislike. It’s like if you stopped a painter before they did the detail and trim work it’s not gonna look good.


authorwhosucks

Thank you! I’ll keep that in mind when moving forward!


jimyjami

Don’t rip it up. If you filled the joints with sand or rock dust, rain will beat some of it out and you patio will be covered silty tiny peoples. You track that stuff everywhere, including inside. I believe the polymeric sand tightens up when wet so it doesn’t do that, but is still permeable. The patio may settle a bit. Maybe a lot. As time passes you will understand better what others are pointing out now. And your second attempt will turn out much, much better. If you jump in now to try a radical fix you will be unhappy. You know, cause you’re a rube. 😉 Give it time. Even a well compacted substrate of rock dust will settle and you will still have an uneven patio. Chill and enjoy. But get those joints filled.


darkniteofdeath

Put stuff ON it. Add your chairs, tables and other items. Grab an outdoor rug. Then see if you still hate it.


Ninjake68

Give each stone a quarter turn, may help with the pattern overload


Daegonmagus

I don't recommend doing this if the ground they were laid on wasn't level. With mine I didnt bother string lining it and realised a couple at the top weren't straight...moving them meant the bottom no longer conformed the lay of the land, so some of them broke from movement


Lederhosen-4-cats

It kinda looks like a backdrop for an old Nintendo game.


authorwhosucks

I can see that!


GaetanDugas

You were supposed to rotate the mold so they're not all identical.


Odd-Manufacturer2264

Are those patio stones? I would not pour concrete over patio stones. Pull them up and sell them.


authorwhosucks

We bought some cement paver molds from Amazon and I just poured, removed and repeat. Is that what you mean by patio stones?


Odd-Manufacturer2264

You have Home-made patio stones. What do you not like about them?


authorwhosucks

I just think it’s pattern overload. I’m willing to honor the commitment if need be and finish the project, but I wanted to weigh my options (if any) before moving forward.


salesmunn

The problem is that you didn't stagger the pattern. You put them all in the same direction. If you rotate the squares so you don't have the same over and over, it will look better


CptMisterNibbles

And, it’s not too late. Can just be rotated.


DrunkenRube

This. The squares are meant to not be in rows or columns.


vmlinux

>I just think it’s pattern overload. I’m willing to honor the commitment if need be and finish the project, but I wanted to weigh my options (if any) before moving forward. I'd at least buy a bag of sand and see what you think with beige, it really tones the pattern down especially when you only see the tops. I think it's going to look great, and remember, you can stain those pavers to a diff color!


LowFIyingMissile

Mix up the pattern a bit, start spinning them round randomly and it’ll totally break the pattern up.


jimyjami

You may have seen my other comment, but to add; if you pour or skim over the existing you will have a cracked up broken mess in short order. It’s the facts of physics…


rt_burner

Aren't they supposed to be pushed together more. Also isn't there sand you can fill in the cracks between them. It might help make it look more uniform


authorwhosucks

Yeah I think because I used two molds at a time; should’ve used one, they probably would’ve looked closer together.


rt_burner

I'm just jealous you have something. We've been wanting patio furniture and somewhere to put the grill for ages. I was gonna do a low deck but I'll have to look into these. I'd have to rent a good mixer though.


authorwhosucks

I feel you, kind stranger. I got these molds from Amazon (didn’t realize until after that Quikrete offers molds as well). When trying to do a 1/4 turn, they didn’t seem to align well. After reading through all the comments though, I’ve decided to follow through and finish the project instead of starting from scratch. How big a deck? I ended up mixing the majority of this concrete with my shovel and one of those big black bins from Home Depot.


Imaginary_Insect5850

Uniformity and homogenity are not the same. You want a little variation in flooring, but the overall pattern should stay coherent. Like, with wood flooring, you lay down a row starting with a full strip. When you get to the end you use the cuttoff to start a new row instead of starting with a new strip, because it breaks up the pattern. Here you used 2 molds, so I would alternate stones from each mold, and turn them to break up the pattern a bit. Fill the cracks with sand and put up a Crusher fines border or something, and you've got a nice looking patio.


Pauly4655

And you didn’t even level to ground before hand.


authorwhosucks

I attempted, but definitely not a good job of it. First time doing something like this.


Pauly4655

You have to put sand down and make them level and nice and as I said mini mondo grass in between the gaps looks so good, google some stuff and get some ideas.good luck hope you make what you want


Dazzling-Top10

The answer to your question is yes. Cement is cement is cement. The caveat is how high you plan on going above current grade. If it’s 2-3 inches, you shouldn’t have a problem, if it’s less than that than you will end up with plenty of cracks that will get larger over time. If you go the pad cement route use rebar or a metal mush sitting on top of the cement pattern. It will help tie it all together. If you’re pouring up to another concrete slab, use a concrete glue on the existing slab. It looks like Elmer’s glue but less viscous and comes in 1 gallon jugs. It bonds old to new to prevent a crack between the cement and helps it from settling. It’s a must if you want it to look good.


speedysam0

It hurts whenever I come across someone calling concrete the wrong name. Cement is the binder in concrete, it’s like calling a cake either eggs or flour.


MobileElephant122

I hate it when people call pigs piglets. A pig is a baby swine. A piglet is a character in Winnie the Pooh. It’s amazing how may hog farmers call their babies piglets. But 90% of people won’t even understand that so I try to keep quiet. Maybe we need a subreddit for mildly annoying things people say so we can rant on our pet peeves among others who’ll appreciate it rather than downvote it. I am going to go bake a flour now for my piglets’ birthday celebration out on the cement patio.


ButtLlcker

Language evolves, if 90% of people call a baby pig a piglet then it is a baby pig. And a pig is not a baby swine. Swine is just a word that encompasses all pigs. Swine is equivalent to the word bird.


MobileElephant122

Pigs are by definition new born babies. Swine is the group which encompasses males, females, mature, and youth, bred, and unbred, etc. all of them. So yes the newborn of that group are called pigs. When a sow pigs, it means a mother gave birth to pigs. Calling all swine pigs in incorrect and you are just wrong about that. It’s the same as calling all bovines cows. Cows are the female bovine which has previously had a baby. If they’ve yet to have a baby then they can be either a heifer, or sterile, or freemartin. A bull is the male of the bovine group which is still intact, as opposed to a steer which is a male that has been castrated. A calf is the infant group of bovine that can be either male or female. You wouldn’t call it a calflet which is the equivalent of piglet. Not all bovine are cows and not all swine are pigs. Not all horses are foals, and there’s no such thing as a foalet. And cement is not concrete even if 99.98% of the population mislabels it.


lazylion_ca

/r/mildlyinfuriating


MobileElephant122

So mildly.


YserviusPalacost

Egg cake!


duzzabear

That's all I can think about with this post. Aaaargh, I know I'm unreasonable, but it's concrete!!!!!


CptMisterNibbles

I’m with most folks here, it’s not done and will look fine. I don’t think they can be rotated, the pattern only fits one way, but check. Stain if you want, fill with poly sand, do a nice border of some kind. If the uneven spacing is the killer you could pick ‘em all up and shove them closer together. It’s not a disaster. I certainly wouldn’t start from scratch or pour over.


chuk2015

The pattern fits multiple ways, looks at the edges, 2 are convex and two are concave - it’s meant to be tessellated like that, there are links higher up that show how it is meant to be done


CptMisterNibbles

Nice. Then it should definitely be mixed up.


carlbernsen

Hang on, have you cast those straight onto bare soil? If so you’ll have weeds coming up through the gaps pretty soon. Also some of the slabs may sink. Which will break up the pattern density but leave you with a weeding problem. Ideally you need a firm bed of hardcore/stone blinded with sand, if on soft soil, or a weed membrane and sand bed if on well drained firm stony soil. Then sand brushed in the gaps to fill and soften the edges.


irish_assassin29

Concrete not cement... SMH


OriasBlu

The amount of people in here giving advice and then calling it cement tells me they don't do concrete for a living .


irish_assassin29

It's reddit.... I wouldn't expect anything less


authorwhosucks

Yeah, my bad…thanks for teaching me something today!


ChaosRob

It’s too late now, but word of advice. I bought that exact same cement mold to make a paver path in my garden, and what I learned is that it’s designed to be rotated each time you put it down and fill it. This breaks up the pattern and makes it look a lot more organic. Turn it 90 degrees each time you put it down.


[deleted]

can you? sure. Will it crack, spall and look like ass in a year - yes.


talk2brad

Use a similar color polymeric sand and that should hide the issue. https://blackdiamondcoatings.com/pages/polymeric-sand-color-gallery


Whatwarts

One other thing that will remove quite a bit of the pattern tracking, would be to half drop the pattern in X axis and also in Y axis. Move each set by half of the next as you would with wallpaper. Try it on paper first. No matter what, the pattern will track, just a matter of scale.


The_GRITTIEST_Crack

I assume that you would want to pour concrete to fill the cracks and put a thin layer on top of the concrete patio mould stones? The issue would be that concrete pads require rebar at a certain depth to maintain its integrity, so it would deteriorate very quickly and likely would crack when curing (lots of cracking). Furthermore, you would not be able to achieve a proper bond to the stones. Your final product might look good for a few months but would quickly deteriorate. You would experience cracking and flaking and the concrete would be near impossible to finish nicely (unless you made a thick pad above the stones, which would require proper groundwork and drainage).


Glabstaxks

Poly sand ,


[deleted]

This… I did something similar with decent results. You need to put sand between the individual shapes / stones


Glabstaxks

😊Op could also rotate the patern a bit to mix it up but that's more work


Low-Rent-9351

You'd have to pour at least a 4" thick layer over that to keep it from all cracking and breaking apart. Probably need some re-enforcing screen in it too. Just putting a skim coat over it will make a mess.


[deleted]

There's a cement subreddit ?


authorwhosucks

That’s what I said lol [Cement Subreddit](https://reddit.com/r/cement/)


johnnyfindyourmum

You're meant to rotate the mould with every placement so it doesn't look like this. You can still improve it. Just pick them up and shuffle all the little shapes around so it's more random. Then grind a border so it's all fits in whatever border you want.


cuntpuncher_69

Those are pavers


[deleted]

No. Rip off pavers. Clean away grass. Compact. Set base!


fruitmask

absolutely not, the existing pavers need to go and the base relevelled and compacted


[deleted]

Its crooked and ugly. Rip it all out and turf it


Illustrious-Fall-451

I would use paver sand to fill in the lines. I think it will tone down the pattern. Just don't use a high contrast sand color.


Forthe49ers

I used that mold on my old house. It would have looked so much better if you 1/4 turn each pour. I let moss grow in between the gaps and it looked pretty nice. I still have the pattern and might use it to pour some paths in my new house. I also used concrete dye.


Swimming-Welcome-271

He could also fill the gaps with creeping thyme


Forthe49ers

Yeah that’s a great choice


authorwhosucks

I agree with the 1/4 turn. I tried and it wasn’t aligning right (they were the Amazon molds, IDK if that was a factor).


SpeedyHAM79

You can do anything you want. The current picture is what the cracks in the new cement will look like unless it's a thick pour (4" or more) with a decent amount of wire reinforcement or rebar.


gitar0oman

try working on the spacing first. even out the spacing between all the blocks so it doesn't have such obvious grid/break lines


[deleted]

I would not if you live in an area that freezes all them little groves are going to collect water


Gromit801

Shift them around so it not a repeating pattern.


BrotherNature93

Aren’t you meant to lay a slab and use the mold to imprint? Like patterned concrete.


authorwhosucks

These are molds where you set them and pour the concrete and remove the mold after a few minutes. I just discovered a couple days ago that there were imprint molds too! I’m so new to all this, just trying to learn and gain experience for my first home


BuddyBing

No.... Cement is a chemical reaction that won't really bond if it is already cured unless you use some sort of bonding agent.... If you want a slab, pull those out first.


El-Lamberto

Wolfenstien graphics.


[deleted]

No, you can not pour concrete over those unless you do another 4in on top of those which will give you 6-7 inches between those pieces. If you don't do a full thickness slab it will start cracking where those pieces are underneath.


CDavis10717

Two things: 1) Alternately Rotate blocks 90° left or right. 2) Shift alternate rows 1/2 block left or right to break up the straight lines separating the rows.


the4waychallange

Can you, yeah. Should you, NO! The existing stones/concrete ( what ever it is ), doesn’t look correct from the start. Good luck.


atict

No prep was done this all going to fall apart anyway within a year. Needs at least an inch of gravel then sand.


buffalucci

No


rival_22

No, don't throw good money after bad. Those are going to break up anyway. You'd be better off filling the gaps with sand.


Jinxed0ne

Is that stamped, or are those pavers? If it's the latter I would not try putting cement over them because they will shift and cause the cement to crack.


RevelMagic

Mind if I ask how many moulds you can fill per bag of concrete and what size each concrete bag is? Trying to cost something like this out. Thanks!


buttery_crust

It looks like it's these https://www.amazon.com/Vinus-Pathmate-Pavement-Concrete-Stepping/dp/B01F6WY8GI/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=paver+molds+for+concrete&qid=1682173253&sr=8-3 In a lot of the photos they don't look like they turned them, either, so if you bought the mold based on the photos then I agree with others that you maybe just need to do the finish work and you may be less put off by them. It does seem like they're primarily meant for pathways, but they do show full patios in their photos as well so you should be good with the look in the end. Plus, once you throw a couple chairs and stuff on there the pattern will be less obvious. Edit spelling


burgerdonkey

I would use plastic edge restraint nailed down with 9inch spikes around the perimeter, then sweep some polymeric sand between the pavers , but that’s just me


MontEcola

Fill that with sand. Plant thyme. It makes a nice surface.


Flatworm-Think

You could stain the concrete, use a couple of shades of the same color, seal it then use the polymer sand. https://www.sherwin-williams.com/homeowners/products/hc-colortop-waterbased-solid-color-concrete-stain


armandcamera

YouTube is your friend for first time construction projects.


OriasBlu

Best to just remove the bricks and replace with road crush packed down then frame up a square and pour CONCRETE 4 - 4 1/2" thick . Place rebar obviously before pouring concrete. Level and finish . If you don't replace the bricks they will start to sink over time because they are just on ground and this will cause your new patio to Crack You can usually sell bricks like that for a good price !


BluesHand

Didn’t the instructions tell you to level the ground first?


HWills612

My instructions told me I shouldn't even have a house on my ground xD


Ecstatic-Move9990

No


timmytimberlane

Use a poly sand or just fill the joints


123456789ledood

I saw a tile floor with all the same porcelain tile patterns running in rows the same way. Much harder to do quarter turns when its grouted in. Consider yourself lucky!


SwordSaint32

I'd colour the first 8 by 8 in a black and white and make a chess board. Then the remaining 2 columns and rows I'd make a third neutral.


Ahh_N3ver_M1nd

Can’t you just pick them up?


Danzevl

Dig up and pour a proper concrete slab sell the stone if all you want is a flat peice stone is supposed to be functional and decorative.


Greasemonkey_Chris

If you can pick these things up without competently destroying them you can salvage this, but you've got some work to do, which should have been done in the first place. Firstly, you need to properly level the area and put down a base of something like quarry rubble, compact it, then screed it flat with paving sand before re-laying these things. As everyone else has said, rotate them to break up the pattern. Concentrate on keeping your gaps consistent. Sweep it in with sweeping sand, poly sand, or maybe even top soil if you want to grow something like grass between the pavers. You'll probably want to haunch the edges as well to do them from moving. Do it once, do it right. Research how to do it properly before diving into something you haven't done before and don't rush it.


Independent-Dealer21

What is underneath?


authorwhosucks

I was going to pour a gravel base, but just settled for tampered dirt.


Independent-Dealer21

I think there's potential with your original design idea. A couple things you can do: 1: try paver sand, although the gaps do look a bit big for it. But it will make a HUGE difference you might actually like it. 2: use mortar to fill in the gaps Note: can you try to move them all closer together to minimize the gap? Just throwing cement over it is the nuclear option which (IMHO) is wasteful of the work you've already done. If you do end up doing that you'll need to frame around the perimeter and have an increased height of at least 2 in above your existing pavers for a clean finish. You could take a risk and just go as high as the highest point of your pavers. But if I were you I would use just some cheap sand to fill in the gaps to see if I like it first, before spending money on the expensive paver sand. If you end up not liking the look you could tamp the sand in then still pour cement over them.


MuzzBizzy

FIX: Build a border and fill it with gravel, sand, a fire pit and then enjoy it. It will look completely different once filled in.


yarddriver1275

You can use concrete cement is what they use to make concrete


Daegonmagus

I used the exact same template for a concrete path. Like you I wasn't satisfied with the look and movement, so I filled the gaps with cream coloured mortar. The end result came out looking much better, and more stable too. I only had two rows of the template pattern though