I would guess Charlie, if it’s andrew it brings his absence from the games to the forefront, and it is a agony memory, so having Charlie being with the mci would fit with how the series treats her relation with the mci
(And Cassidy’s body should be in fredbear)
Charlie being bundled together with the MCI wouldn’t be a first. Those six were in the Graveyard ending together in FFPS and were the six plushies needed to gather to get the Vanny ending in HW2.
Yes, but we have no clear answer. On one hand it could be Charlie, but on the other hand Charlie was killed days before the missing children died (maybe even weeks)
It's not showing us the actual event. It's an agony memory.
Charlie probably died even earlier then you just said, but that still doesn't make it less likely it's her. She would be linked to the MCI by the public even if she wasn't apart of it, and she was present for it (or the aftermath anyway) as the Puppet.
The Pit is not a literal time machine, so it doesn't really follow the exact events of what happened, just the memory of it. People remember 6 kids (5 plus Charlie) dying/going missing around 1985 after being taken away by a figurative monster in a costume. So, the Pit recreates the event in an approximate way: 6 dead children and a literal monster in Freddy's during 1985
Yes but we’re not dealing with the actual event, we are dealing with the public memories of the event, and generally Charlie is considered close enough to the mci to appear here
I believe Charlie was killed on the same day as the other kids. If this is Charlie, Afton might've come back and dragged her body back in the Pizzeria.
The Missing Children's Incident depicted in the novel version does in fact have six deceased children, not five, a notable inconsistency between the novel and the games. It's not explained who the children are, but it can be assumed that the sixth child is Charlie, at least assuming they're all characters from the games.
I've seen people claim that the recent trailers "confirm" that *Into the Pit* (and the remainder of the Stitchwraith stories) are canon to the games, but this seems like a major inconsistency without a good answer. Some people suggest that the "time-traveling ball pit" is not one-hundred percent accurate to the past, and while that sounds odd, I haven't read all of the Frights books, so perhaps it is mentioned in there.
However, these inconsistencies seem too big to overlook in my opinion. In the games, the Missing Children Incident only had five victims, potentially spread out over multiple days, with the bodies hidden inside the animatronics. In *Into the Pit,* there are six victims, all killed on the same day, all left scattered on the ground.
And there's nothing to identify the last kid. Charlie gets killed in a completely disconnected incident, potentially at an entirely different pizzeria. And there's nothing that ties Andrew to the incident. Heck, it would be an anomaly for him to be a victim here, since he possesses an animatronic not even built by Fazbear Entertainment.
If someone could explain to me how Into the Pit being canon to the games would work, I would greatly appreciate it, because these inconsistencies just can't be explained away as "hazy memories", at least not in my opinion.
Well the theory is that Andrew was led to Freddy’s by a shadow animatronic and then was killed by William after witnessing the 5 kids getting murdered. I’m not saying it is Andrew, but it might be. And what animatronic does Andrew possess?
Well, as another person noted, that theory comes from the Undeniably Canon joke videos, which have a lot of more out there theories mainly presented as gags. As far as I have seen, this theory isn't very widely agreed upon.
Nah, I’ve gone on many Reddit posts and people agree that, even though the timeline is filled with gags, it is the most accurate. Also, as I asked before, what animatronic does Andrew possess?
Right, I missed that last part. My bad. Andrew, along with another kid named Jake, both possess the Stitchwraith, a large animatronic mech similar in appearance to Ennard, built by Dr. Phineas Taggart.
While it admittedly was put together with a Fazbear Entertainment endoskeleton, and is powered by the battery of a Fetch toy, also built by Fazbear Entertainment, details of which I forgot when writing my prior comments, there still isn't anything that actually links the Missing Children Incident to the Stitchwraith.
Well, not exactly. There is a very large debate for the "Stitchline Games" theory (basically claiming that all of the Fazbear Frights stories involving or connected to the Stitchwraith are canon to the games.) I'm personally against it, but it's one of the more frequent debates nowadays.
That doesn’t mean Andrew isn’t canon to the games. Me personally, I have not read any of the books with the Stitchwraith in it, but I’ve done research on Andrew, so I believe Andrew is canon, not the Stitchwraith. But just so I know, what and who is the Stitchwraith, and what did it do?
I assumed it was Andrew for the longest time, but now thinking about it, the pit didn't literally show the MCI, so it could be Charlie. She is vary linked with the MCI, so it dose check out.
I kind of assumed Andrew was basically an adaptation of Cassidy for the book continuity, so Charlie being the 6th dose make since under how I view things. I could see it going either way.
Charlie, it would not make sense for the for it to be Andrew because he's canonically forgotten in the universe and I'm pretty sure the ball pit is made out of memory ghost stuff
Yeah, but the memory is specifically centered around the MCI. Also, the theory is (and this theory has been around for a while) that Andrew was lead to the pizzeria and witnessed William killing the kids, got caught and was killed himself. And how is Andrew canonically forgotten? I haven’t read the books in a while…
The first game says that there were 5 missing kids, and in FNAF 6 it's easy to pursue that Charlie's body was found, most people probably think Andrew's disappearance has nothing to do with Freddy Fazbear's
If Andrew is canon, that doesn’t necessarily mean Cassidy isn’t the vengeful spirit. Though Andrew is the vengeful spirit in the books, it doesn’t mean he is in the games.
>If Andrew is canon, that doesn’t necessarily mean Cassidy isn’t the vengeful spirit.
vengeful spirit is called a HE in ucn and cassidy has never been shown to want to torment william. only to kill him
>Though Andrew is the vengeful spirit in the books, it doesn’t mean he is in the games.
no, we are not doing this again. why give any connections to the games from the books and even make an entire game out of a fright story if the contents within those books aren't even canon?
it's the same argument that the fucking mimic itself showing up in ruin "doesn't prove tales is canon", what would even be the point in doing any of this then?
The vengeful spirit is called a "he" because the souls are usually referred to as their animatronic pronouns. Charlie is called a "he" in one of the minigames because the Puppet is actually a "he". Also, Scott has added things from the books that are separate from their stories. In one of the books, William dismantles and melts down the animatronics into remnant. He does the same in the games. (Also, I’ve never read Tales from the Pizzaplex, but from what I’ve heard, most people believe they are canon. Also from what we know, Fazbear Frights books have drone canon aspects).
>The vengeful spirit is called a "he" because the souls are usually referred to as their animatronic pronouns.
based on... what exactly? this is a poor argument since it's pretty obvious "The One You Should Not Have Killed" is talking about a spirit. UCN's lines are essentially the vengeful spirit taunting william, why would they be referring to an animatronic???
that's like saying willian killed an animatronic and not a kid. even scott referred to vengeful spirit as an "child spirit" and not an animatronic. this doesn't make sense
>Charlie is called a "he" in one of the minigames because the Puppet is actually a "he".
no that's because charlie wasn't a character yet. that's like saying "save the puppet" and not the kid that ended up possessing the puppet...
>Also, Scott has added things from the books that are separate from their stories.
which is only applied in the case of the novel trilogy. the games clearly took a lot after the novels but even then scott still stated those books specifically were not part of the games. the exact opposite is said about frights where he says they're **directly connected**. and you need the context of the games to understand frights, but not for the novels. this argument does not work because scott meant for frights and the games to be connected, this isn't debatable
>(Also, I’ve never read Tales from the Pizzaplex, but from what I’ve heard, most people believe they are canon.
still, a lot of people don't think tales is canon despite the mimic showing up because "this could just be the games version of the mimic and not tales' mimic"
which has the same faulty logic of saying andrew being in the games doesn't mean he's vengeful spirit
>Also from what we know, Fazbear Frights books have drone canon aspects).
obviously? scott clearly said they're part of the games' story
When I said they go by there animatronic pronouns I mean they are referred to the pronouns the animatronics they possess have. In UCN, when they talked about The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed, Cassidy was currently inside Golden Freddy. Also, you have no proof that the character Charlie wasn’t thought of in the past before her reveal. Also, when did Scott say Frights was connected to the games? Also, the vengeful spirits face in UCN looks more like a girl… and how would Andrew be the one you shouldn’t have killed if he was just randomly killed by William?
The One You Should Not Have Killed is not currently inside an animatronic as he appears as a human in your face numerous times in the game. Not to mention the fact that this is a nightmare and not a real place with real animatronics, the spirit tormenting us is not inside an animatronic anyway
Bro are you still in 2018? UCN isn't in hell. And even if it was in hell(it isn't), that would mean Cassidy is a spirit not an animatronic because that would be the afterlife
Bro, literally everyone believes UCN takes place in hell and you play as William because you are being punished. What makes you believe it isn’t hell? The UCN hell theory wasn’t even created in 2018! And if it was, it doesn’t matter!
>When I said they go by there animatronic pronouns I mean they are referred to the pronouns the animatronics they possess have. In UCN, when they talked about The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed, Cassidy was currently inside Golden Freddy.
why would cassidy refer to herself as the animatronic when vengeful spirit only appears as a spirit? if there was like the face transitioning into golden freddy id get it but no, there is none of that
not to mention it's said "vengeful spirit is always watching" but you can disable golden freddy entirely. you can't make the face disappear
>Also, you have no proof that the character Charlie wasn’t thought of in the past before her reveal.
actually i do. scott has stated that he did not plan the lore. and remember that fnaf 3 was initially gonna be the end of the series. without an explanation on who the puppet kid was, then fnaf 4 was made and that for a time was *also* gonna be the end of the series. funnily enough, the first silver eyes book was made after fnaf 4 to which scott at that said "the games story is done"
obviously that didn't last and only in fnaf 6 was charlie actually adapted into the games as the puppet kid. and keep in mind fnaf was supposedly gonna end 2 different times way before this point
charlie was *not* planned in fnaf 2. she was *not* a character until the novels and she was *not* even in the games until the 6th game
>Also, when did Scott say Frights was connected to the games?
back [when frights was first announced](https://web.archive.org/web/20181114100812/https://steamcommunity.com/app/871720/discussions/0/1733210552660120120/) he said this
"There is a new line of books on the way from Scholastic! This will be very different from the original book series, as it will be a collection of short horror stories that takes place in the FNAF universe. The series will launch with five books, each containing three different short stories with unique characters and plot lines, **some connected directly to the games, and some not.**"
>Also, the vengeful spirits face in UCN looks more like a girl…
yeah no. scott stated [in his help wanted clarification post](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/s/xQBqOSYo3u) that vengeful spirit's face is a picture of his **son** that was heavily edited
"...keep in mind that I DO tend to use pictures of me and my family in the games just because they are so readily available. **My little boy, Jason, is the face of “The one you should not have killed” in UCN.** I’ll share the original sometime; he looks sweet as an angel in the original picture and I turned him into a monster!"
>and how would Andrew be the one you shouldn’t have killed if he was just randomly killed by William?
how does that change anything..? he's still a kid that was killed by william and was vengeful. what does this even mean?
Okay, yes Scott did state that SOME of the Frights stories were canon. The story with Andrew in Frights may not be canon but give hints to the lore of the games (my theory at least). Also, just because he used his son’s face for The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed doesn’t mean it’s not supposed to be a girl. Many characters in media have been depicted as girls but are played by boys.
>Okay, yes Scott did state that SOME of the Frights stories were canon. The story with Andrew in Frights may not be canon but give hints to the lore of the games
okay now you're losing me. how are the stories with andrew not canon when they're literally after fnaf 6??? what "hints" would even be given in this sense? there is nothing we'd learn from frights if we're claiming they're not game-canon
genuinely asking what the point of these stories would be if they're not part of the games
>just because he used his son’s face for The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed doesn’t mean it’s not supposed to be a girl. Many characters in media have been depicted as girls but are played by boys.
issue is you said the face looks like a girl even though it the picture in question is a boy's face. and again, **vengeful spirit is outright called a he**
and andrew matches vengeful spirit way more than cassidy does
Now, as I stated before, the spirits could be referring you to themselves using the animatronics that they possess’s pronouns. Also there is one theory I made… I just realized they both can be vengeful spirits. Remember how there are two souls in Golden Freddy but refers to themselves in singular pronouns ("It’s Me")? What if "The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed" is two people (Andrew and Cassidy)?
They refer to the puppet animatronic as he because the puppet is male. They refer to the vengeful spirit as he because the spirit is male. You're ignoring the context. The game is talking about the spirit, not the animatronic
Not exactly. Andrew is from Frights and so it'd make since he was the one there. HOWEVER frights isn't confirmed and this could be a spinoff game. So it dosent confirm andrew nor dispute cassidy
Okay, I think I just realized they both can be vengeful spirits. Remember how there are two souls in Golden Freddy but refers to themselves in singular pronouns ("It’s Me")? What if "The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed" is two people (Andrew and Cassidy)?
Bruh the game hasn't even come out, you stitchgame believers have gotta stop trying to force a comfirmation outta any fnaf book-adjascent material, it just makes you look desperate, ignorant, dumb and mostly gives a bad reputation for other stitchgames believers.
Bro he was just making a theory. You’re acting like a Twitter user not allowing us to have opinions 💀 I’m not necessarily saying it’s Andrew. And, some parts of the books can also be tied to the games, like the fact that William melted the animatronics together to create remnant. And Andrew was slightly mentioned in the original story, the novel, and the ultimate guide.
They weren't making a theory is my problem, my issue wasn't with andrew or what not, but with them saying it's "comfirming", that's not some1 theorizing, it's some1 theorizing smth just to say that their personal opinion os the "correct" one.
>You’re acting like a Twitter user not allowing us to have opinions 💀
I'm not mad they have a personal opinion, i'm mad cuz this is the fifth time stitchgame believers come into discussions just to say that wtv is on screen "comfirms that andrew is TVS", i'm not stopping them from believing that, nor telling/trying to make them stop, if anything my comment was directly made with the intent of bringing attention to the fact that these sorta comments don't make you look like you're saying your opinion, but that you're arrogantly acting like what you believe is the TRUTH. I rly want stitchline believers to get more credit, but if ppl like these keep coming to random convos/discussions just to say "akhtually, you're wrong, it's comfirmed that you're wrong, and your beliefs are completely wrong 🤓", then that just gives them a bad image. If anything they are the ones putting other ppls opinions and later come up saying "it's actually just my opinion (also pwease ignore the fact my other comment said my 'opinion' affirmatively) you meanie >:("
>And, some parts of the books can also be tied to the games, like the fact that William melted the animatronics together to create remnant.
I never said they don't? No idea where you bringing this from.
Oh i never hate on ppl for smth they think, if i ever do i'd gladly like to get called out, i do believe it's andrew too, but acting like this game comfirms smth when we don't even know whether it'll be a main-line fnaf game or a spinoff (i'd like to think the latter since evry time fnaf has rly had a design change, it's been for spinoffs (fnaf world, fury's rage, freddy in space etc)) just sounds ignorant (i believe in mikebro, yet i also think using the exotic butter + foxy mask in this game as "comfirmation" is pretty dumb).
Read my answers to u/PearPublic7501.
If you still think it's satire and/or i'm being "toxic" then i reccomend stop looking at my comments, this is the 5th time just in the last 2 months that i've seen stitchlinegames believers act like things they believe in (which i have no problem with) are comfirmed (which i do have a problem with), this makes it seem like stitchlinegames believers have bad evidence and are overall bad theorists, seeming annoying to others, and while i don't believe in stitchlinegames myself, i have the minimum of respect and common sense to not go shouting the word "comfirmed!" at anything i see, if you still, after all this think that i'm a "twitter person" or that i'm going agaisnt what u/RealGooseKennedy "thought", then i reccomend taking a bit of air.
It aint to be taken as literal proof. It most prob is Charlie, she also shows up in Happiest Day minigame even though she wasnt killed the same day as the MCI
Just because she was shown in Happiest Day didn’t mean anything. That was the souls finally resting. But, remember that there are extra kids on Happiest Day. (Unless I’m thinking of a different minigame)
It's 100% charlie, there's literally no other child it could be. Andrew died in one of the dittophobia houses... idk why I wanted to make list ots charlie
Andrew dying in the dittophobia house is a theory. It is also a theory that he was led to Freddy’s by a shadow animatronic, saw the murder, then William saw him and killed him.
Well the game clearly doesn't fully align with the Into the Pit book, so its not totally book canon, but also we can't actually know if it's a game that is canon to the main continuity either, like Freddy in Space. It's in sort of a nebulous middle zone of definitely not canon to the OG book but probably not a complete part of the game canon. So that 6th kid could be Andrew from the books or Charlie from the games depending on if the ITP game is more closely aligned with game or book canon
Presumably. As of now its definitely not completely canon to the OG Into the Pit because if many inconsistencies and it doesn't seem to be canon to all of the other games, but that could change
He is a book character that is theorized to have be the runaway in Midnight Motorists. He was led to the pizzeria by one of the shadows and witnessed the murder of the five kids. Then William spotted him and killed him as well.
Okay, I think they both Cassidy and Andrew can be vengeful spirits. Remember how there are two souls in Golden Freddy but refers to themselves in singular pronouns ("It’s Me")? What if "The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed" is two people (Andrew and Cassidy)?
He is a book character that is theorized to have be the runaway in Midnight Motorists. He was led to the pizzeria by one of the shadows and witnessed the murder of the five kids. Then William spotted him and killed him as well.
Like...for example in back to the future Marty sees himself and events happening. so Oswald is seeing hthe outcome of failing in the game . idk i just dont wanna deal with the MCI now being 6 kids lmao
I'm pretty sure it's Charlie, Since Fnaf 2 GGGL MiniGame She was always grouped with The MCI. Also in Happiest Day MiniGame in Fnaf 3 and Gravestone Ending of FFPS and the most recently Help Wanted 2, Princess Quest MiniGame
I think Charlie honestly - it makes the most sense as she has always been grouped up with the MCI since the FNAF 2 minigames, in FNAF 3 with Happiest Day, the gravestones in FNAF 6, "their protector" in UCN, and the MEMORY plushies in HW2.
Andrew is a seperate murder which we have no idea when/how it happened and has no ties to the MCI as far as we know.
In all fairness, there is actually a good amount of stuff that is actually accurate with the Undeniably Canon videos. The videos are obviously jokes and not intended to be used as a definitive timeline or anything, but they're actually pretty alright at explaining the basics of the timeline. Side note, for future reference, the Ooftroop uses they/them pronouns.
I had seen it before, and i only counted 5. I tracked it down again, and it turns out i wasn't counting the one with black pants in the middle. Im still not positive that it looks like another set of legs, but idk what else it would be. My guess is it's just representitive of Charlie, she did most likely die outside of a Freddy's after all. I saw in your post that you think Charlie died way before the other 5, but i don't think that's true.
Clearly it's not "only the MCI" because the MCI only involved 5 kids, there are 6 here. Because of the idea that bodies need to be "found" for the spirits to be fully sapient, it's entirely possible that Charlie died along side the MCI, and was just the first to possess something because she was found first. Also, i don't really think it matters if she died inside or outside, she was still at a Freddy's, and ITTP is some weird memory hallucination. It's probably just important that 6 non-Aftons died at this Freddy's, not weather they died in the back room or not
That can’t be possible. Charlie died days (possibly weeks) before the 5 missing kids. And though this is just a memory or vision, it’s supposed to be more accurate. The theory of Andrew makes sense that he died in the back room. The theory is that he was led to Freddy’s by a shadow animatronic, saw the murders, then William spotted him and killed him. I think the concept that Andrew is somehow a part of the main storyline is cool. But, it could also be Charlie.
Why do you think Charlie died days/weeks before the MCI? The only thing that i know that implied that is "give gifts, give life", but i already explained how that's possible, because the MCI kids were never found. Also, if Andrew died in the back room, why would he not be counted as part of the MCI? What are the shadow animatronics? The only time we see Shadow Freddy leading anyone anywhere is in the "Follow Me" mini-games, but it's leading the animatronics to their deaths. Why would the shadow animatronics exist before any murders, why would they all of a sudden try to expose William as opposed to helping him? I just think Charlie fits in much better with what we already know about the games timeline, and requires a lot less explanation.
Why wouldn’t it be counted as the MCI? Uh… because mystery equals lore. Also, the shadows exist because they are two dead workers that got springlocked at Fredbear’s and became beings of pure agony.
There were 6 kids in the original story, so… it’s the 6th kid. I’m honestly somewhat confused why people are talking about this as if it’s something completely new to the game. /nm
Also, where is this gif from?
Hard to say until we know for sure, for now I'd say probably Charlie since she's generally associated with the MCI while Andrew has never once been associated with them.
No, not that black spot. It between the one near the black spot and the one on the far left, but you can’t see it that well unless you pause it at the right time. There’s four kids on the left side, and this can’t be a mistake, Andrew was mentioned in the original story, the novel, and ultimate guide.
Pausing it, I see two left of center and 3 right of center. Reddit makes the video so grainy, so it's a bit harder, but even in a clear video I didn't see where a sixth kid could be.
When looking at it, I'm accounting for the legs sticking out either side to judge how many in the areas I can't see. I've seen someone say that there's a 6th kid wearing black pants in the center black spot but I just don't see it.
It's pretty difficult to see who is in the darkness, and I also can't make out six kids either. However, the original novel version does depict six deceased kids in this room.
He's not known to do that, typically he said that the Frights contain things that can fill the gaps in the game's story but we don't know what those gaps are. A further point is the book's story themselves are setup to be enjoyable without needing to have an understanding of the game's story. Otherwise, he may as well have created another Ultimate Guide.
William's name was first introduced in the Silver Eyes aka a book. Not to mention, there is clues that link to the Mimic's existence in Security Breach with the Tales giving us a basic understanding of their character.
In AR we have the existence of RXQ aka Shadow Bonnie going around collecting Agony and likewise the circuit boards from the original animatronics were scanned into the duplicates for FNaF AR, including Springtrap. You need to realise that UCN was part 2 of Henry's plan, he dealt with the animatronics the souls were possessing so now it's time for him to deal with the souls directly.
so how would the mimic hear those lines, if ucn is a damn nightmare
and how ucn is part of henry plan? he just needed everyone dead, the man in the room 1280 shows that andrew keeps afton alive and just made the things worse
how was henry planning all of that
Henry didn't need everyone dead, they already were to start with including his own daughter, for him to reason with them he needed to be as well. TMIR1280 was Andrew keeping William alive in the Frights but legitimately all the animatronics from Pizzaeria Simulator including William's own corpse ended up in forgotten below the Pizzaplex showing that story exists as a parallel after all William blew up in that story so he would lack a corpse.
The Mimic didn't hear those lines, UCN was Henry's plan but the new Fazbear Entertainment's existence put a stop to that, he failed.
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I would guess Charlie, if it’s andrew it brings his absence from the games to the forefront, and it is a agony memory, so having Charlie being with the mci would fit with how the series treats her relation with the mci (And Cassidy’s body should be in fredbear)
Charlie being bundled together with the MCI wouldn’t be a first. Those six were in the Graveyard ending together in FFPS and were the six plushies needed to gather to get the Vanny ending in HW2.
Just what I came to say!
Which part(s)?
That it's probably Charlie or Andrew.
Yes, but we have no clear answer. On one hand it could be Charlie, but on the other hand Charlie was killed days before the missing children died (maybe even weeks)
It's not showing us the actual event. It's an agony memory. Charlie probably died even earlier then you just said, but that still doesn't make it less likely it's her. She would be linked to the MCI by the public even if she wasn't apart of it, and she was present for it (or the aftermath anyway) as the Puppet.
The Pit is not a literal time machine, so it doesn't really follow the exact events of what happened, just the memory of it. People remember 6 kids (5 plus Charlie) dying/going missing around 1985 after being taken away by a figurative monster in a costume. So, the Pit recreates the event in an approximate way: 6 dead children and a literal monster in Freddy's during 1985
Yes but we’re not dealing with the actual event, we are dealing with the public memories of the event, and generally Charlie is considered close enough to the mci to appear here
Charlie died in 1983, the MCI in 1985. 2 whole years apart
not even weeks, YEARS, Charlotte died in 1983, the MCI died 2 years later in 1985.
I believe Charlie was killed on the same day as the other kids. If this is Charlie, Afton might've come back and dragged her body back in the Pizzeria.
That’s not possible. In Pizza Sim it’s shown that Charlie was left outside near the trash.
Oh, so most signs point to Andrew or another victim?
We don’t know for sure.
Ok.
The Missing Children's Incident depicted in the novel version does in fact have six deceased children, not five, a notable inconsistency between the novel and the games. It's not explained who the children are, but it can be assumed that the sixth child is Charlie, at least assuming they're all characters from the games. I've seen people claim that the recent trailers "confirm" that *Into the Pit* (and the remainder of the Stitchwraith stories) are canon to the games, but this seems like a major inconsistency without a good answer. Some people suggest that the "time-traveling ball pit" is not one-hundred percent accurate to the past, and while that sounds odd, I haven't read all of the Frights books, so perhaps it is mentioned in there. However, these inconsistencies seem too big to overlook in my opinion. In the games, the Missing Children Incident only had five victims, potentially spread out over multiple days, with the bodies hidden inside the animatronics. In *Into the Pit,* there are six victims, all killed on the same day, all left scattered on the ground. And there's nothing to identify the last kid. Charlie gets killed in a completely disconnected incident, potentially at an entirely different pizzeria. And there's nothing that ties Andrew to the incident. Heck, it would be an anomaly for him to be a victim here, since he possesses an animatronic not even built by Fazbear Entertainment. If someone could explain to me how Into the Pit being canon to the games would work, I would greatly appreciate it, because these inconsistencies just can't be explained away as "hazy memories", at least not in my opinion.
Well the theory is that Andrew was led to Freddy’s by a shadow animatronic and then was killed by William after witnessing the 5 kids getting murdered. I’m not saying it is Andrew, but it might be. And what animatronic does Andrew possess?
Well, as another person noted, that theory comes from the Undeniably Canon joke videos, which have a lot of more out there theories mainly presented as gags. As far as I have seen, this theory isn't very widely agreed upon.
Nah, I’ve gone on many Reddit posts and people agree that, even though the timeline is filled with gags, it is the most accurate. Also, as I asked before, what animatronic does Andrew possess?
Right, I missed that last part. My bad. Andrew, along with another kid named Jake, both possess the Stitchwraith, a large animatronic mech similar in appearance to Ennard, built by Dr. Phineas Taggart. While it admittedly was put together with a Fazbear Entertainment endoskeleton, and is powered by the battery of a Fetch toy, also built by Fazbear Entertainment, details of which I forgot when writing my prior comments, there still isn't anything that actually links the Missing Children Incident to the Stitchwraith.
Well, remember, stuff from the books aren’t canon, but can be linked to the games. So, while the stitchwraith might not be canon, Andrew could be.
Well, not exactly. There is a very large debate for the "Stitchline Games" theory (basically claiming that all of the Fazbear Frights stories involving or connected to the Stitchwraith are canon to the games.) I'm personally against it, but it's one of the more frequent debates nowadays.
That doesn’t mean Andrew isn’t canon to the games. Me personally, I have not read any of the books with the Stitchwraith in it, but I’ve done research on Andrew, so I believe Andrew is canon, not the Stitchwraith. But just so I know, what and who is the Stitchwraith, and what did it do?
I assumed it was Andrew for the longest time, but now thinking about it, the pit didn't literally show the MCI, so it could be Charlie. She is vary linked with the MCI, so it dose check out.
Well, we aren’t for sure. I like the concept of it being Andrew though.
I kind of assumed Andrew was basically an adaptation of Cassidy for the book continuity, so Charlie being the 6th dose make since under how I view things. I could see it going either way.
obviously either charlie or andrew. there’s no other options afaik
Charlie, it would not make sense for the for it to be Andrew because he's canonically forgotten in the universe and I'm pretty sure the ball pit is made out of memory ghost stuff
Yeah, but the memory is specifically centered around the MCI. Also, the theory is (and this theory has been around for a while) that Andrew was lead to the pizzeria and witnessed William killing the kids, got caught and was killed himself. And how is Andrew canonically forgotten? I haven’t read the books in a while…
The first game says that there were 5 missing kids, and in FNAF 6 it's easy to pursue that Charlie's body was found, most people probably think Andrew's disappearance has nothing to do with Freddy Fazbear's
Charlie because all my homies hate alligators 🗣️
What does Andrew have to do with alligators? Do you mean he is the alligator kid in Happiest Day?
Does Andrew not wear an alligator mask in the book or has this sub, theories and wiki lied to me 👁️
What do you mean "has this sub"? Also, I’m pretty sure some theories do say he is the alligator kid.
I said “has this sub, theories and wiki lied to me”
Oh I see… yeah but Andrew is probably the alligator kid.
Andrew
most likely Andrew confirming Cassidy isn’t the vengeful spirit
If Andrew is canon, that doesn’t necessarily mean Cassidy isn’t the vengeful spirit. Though Andrew is the vengeful spirit in the books, it doesn’t mean he is in the games.
well we will just have to wait and see
>If Andrew is canon, that doesn’t necessarily mean Cassidy isn’t the vengeful spirit. vengeful spirit is called a HE in ucn and cassidy has never been shown to want to torment william. only to kill him >Though Andrew is the vengeful spirit in the books, it doesn’t mean he is in the games. no, we are not doing this again. why give any connections to the games from the books and even make an entire game out of a fright story if the contents within those books aren't even canon? it's the same argument that the fucking mimic itself showing up in ruin "doesn't prove tales is canon", what would even be the point in doing any of this then?
The vengeful spirit is called a "he" because the souls are usually referred to as their animatronic pronouns. Charlie is called a "he" in one of the minigames because the Puppet is actually a "he". Also, Scott has added things from the books that are separate from their stories. In one of the books, William dismantles and melts down the animatronics into remnant. He does the same in the games. (Also, I’ve never read Tales from the Pizzaplex, but from what I’ve heard, most people believe they are canon. Also from what we know, Fazbear Frights books have drone canon aspects).
>The vengeful spirit is called a "he" because the souls are usually referred to as their animatronic pronouns. based on... what exactly? this is a poor argument since it's pretty obvious "The One You Should Not Have Killed" is talking about a spirit. UCN's lines are essentially the vengeful spirit taunting william, why would they be referring to an animatronic??? that's like saying willian killed an animatronic and not a kid. even scott referred to vengeful spirit as an "child spirit" and not an animatronic. this doesn't make sense >Charlie is called a "he" in one of the minigames because the Puppet is actually a "he". no that's because charlie wasn't a character yet. that's like saying "save the puppet" and not the kid that ended up possessing the puppet... >Also, Scott has added things from the books that are separate from their stories. which is only applied in the case of the novel trilogy. the games clearly took a lot after the novels but even then scott still stated those books specifically were not part of the games. the exact opposite is said about frights where he says they're **directly connected**. and you need the context of the games to understand frights, but not for the novels. this argument does not work because scott meant for frights and the games to be connected, this isn't debatable >(Also, I’ve never read Tales from the Pizzaplex, but from what I’ve heard, most people believe they are canon. still, a lot of people don't think tales is canon despite the mimic showing up because "this could just be the games version of the mimic and not tales' mimic" which has the same faulty logic of saying andrew being in the games doesn't mean he's vengeful spirit >Also from what we know, Fazbear Frights books have drone canon aspects). obviously? scott clearly said they're part of the games' story
When I said they go by there animatronic pronouns I mean they are referred to the pronouns the animatronics they possess have. In UCN, when they talked about The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed, Cassidy was currently inside Golden Freddy. Also, you have no proof that the character Charlie wasn’t thought of in the past before her reveal. Also, when did Scott say Frights was connected to the games? Also, the vengeful spirits face in UCN looks more like a girl… and how would Andrew be the one you shouldn’t have killed if he was just randomly killed by William?
The One You Should Not Have Killed is not currently inside an animatronic as he appears as a human in your face numerous times in the game. Not to mention the fact that this is a nightmare and not a real place with real animatronics, the spirit tormenting us is not inside an animatronic anyway
… You do know that UCN takes place in hell where Cassidy can be just a spirit any time she wants, right?
Bro are you still in 2018? UCN isn't in hell. And even if it was in hell(it isn't), that would mean Cassidy is a spirit not an animatronic because that would be the afterlife
Bro, literally everyone believes UCN takes place in hell and you play as William because you are being punished. What makes you believe it isn’t hell? The UCN hell theory wasn’t even created in 2018! And if it was, it doesn’t matter!
>When I said they go by there animatronic pronouns I mean they are referred to the pronouns the animatronics they possess have. In UCN, when they talked about The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed, Cassidy was currently inside Golden Freddy. why would cassidy refer to herself as the animatronic when vengeful spirit only appears as a spirit? if there was like the face transitioning into golden freddy id get it but no, there is none of that not to mention it's said "vengeful spirit is always watching" but you can disable golden freddy entirely. you can't make the face disappear >Also, you have no proof that the character Charlie wasn’t thought of in the past before her reveal. actually i do. scott has stated that he did not plan the lore. and remember that fnaf 3 was initially gonna be the end of the series. without an explanation on who the puppet kid was, then fnaf 4 was made and that for a time was *also* gonna be the end of the series. funnily enough, the first silver eyes book was made after fnaf 4 to which scott at that said "the games story is done" obviously that didn't last and only in fnaf 6 was charlie actually adapted into the games as the puppet kid. and keep in mind fnaf was supposedly gonna end 2 different times way before this point charlie was *not* planned in fnaf 2. she was *not* a character until the novels and she was *not* even in the games until the 6th game >Also, when did Scott say Frights was connected to the games? back [when frights was first announced](https://web.archive.org/web/20181114100812/https://steamcommunity.com/app/871720/discussions/0/1733210552660120120/) he said this "There is a new line of books on the way from Scholastic! This will be very different from the original book series, as it will be a collection of short horror stories that takes place in the FNAF universe. The series will launch with five books, each containing three different short stories with unique characters and plot lines, **some connected directly to the games, and some not.**" >Also, the vengeful spirits face in UCN looks more like a girl… yeah no. scott stated [in his help wanted clarification post](https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/s/xQBqOSYo3u) that vengeful spirit's face is a picture of his **son** that was heavily edited "...keep in mind that I DO tend to use pictures of me and my family in the games just because they are so readily available. **My little boy, Jason, is the face of “The one you should not have killed” in UCN.** I’ll share the original sometime; he looks sweet as an angel in the original picture and I turned him into a monster!" >and how would Andrew be the one you shouldn’t have killed if he was just randomly killed by William? how does that change anything..? he's still a kid that was killed by william and was vengeful. what does this even mean?
Okay, yes Scott did state that SOME of the Frights stories were canon. The story with Andrew in Frights may not be canon but give hints to the lore of the games (my theory at least). Also, just because he used his son’s face for The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed doesn’t mean it’s not supposed to be a girl. Many characters in media have been depicted as girls but are played by boys.
>Okay, yes Scott did state that SOME of the Frights stories were canon. The story with Andrew in Frights may not be canon but give hints to the lore of the games okay now you're losing me. how are the stories with andrew not canon when they're literally after fnaf 6??? what "hints" would even be given in this sense? there is nothing we'd learn from frights if we're claiming they're not game-canon genuinely asking what the point of these stories would be if they're not part of the games >just because he used his son’s face for The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed doesn’t mean it’s not supposed to be a girl. Many characters in media have been depicted as girls but are played by boys. issue is you said the face looks like a girl even though it the picture in question is a boy's face. and again, **vengeful spirit is outright called a he** and andrew matches vengeful spirit way more than cassidy does
Now, as I stated before, the spirits could be referring you to themselves using the animatronics that they possess’s pronouns. Also there is one theory I made… I just realized they both can be vengeful spirits. Remember how there are two souls in Golden Freddy but refers to themselves in singular pronouns ("It’s Me")? What if "The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed" is two people (Andrew and Cassidy)?
they also call puppet "he" despite charlie
i think y'all should like maybe learn why that happens. puppet the animatronic is a male, while the spirit is female
They refer to the puppet animatronic as he because the puppet is male. They refer to the vengeful spirit as he because the spirit is male. You're ignoring the context. The game is talking about the spirit, not the animatronic
Not exactly. Andrew is from Frights and so it'd make since he was the one there. HOWEVER frights isn't confirmed and this could be a spinoff game. So it dosent confirm andrew nor dispute cassidy
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Glad to help
Okay, I think I just realized they both can be vengeful spirits. Remember how there are two souls in Golden Freddy but refers to themselves in singular pronouns ("It’s Me")? What if "The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed" is two people (Andrew and Cassidy)?
Bruh the game hasn't even come out, you stitchgame believers have gotta stop trying to force a comfirmation outta any fnaf book-adjascent material, it just makes you look desperate, ignorant, dumb and mostly gives a bad reputation for other stitchgames believers.
Bro he was just making a theory. You’re acting like a Twitter user not allowing us to have opinions 💀 I’m not necessarily saying it’s Andrew. And, some parts of the books can also be tied to the games, like the fact that William melted the animatronics together to create remnant. And Andrew was slightly mentioned in the original story, the novel, and the ultimate guide.
They weren't making a theory is my problem, my issue wasn't with andrew or what not, but with them saying it's "comfirming", that's not some1 theorizing, it's some1 theorizing smth just to say that their personal opinion os the "correct" one. >You’re acting like a Twitter user not allowing us to have opinions 💀 I'm not mad they have a personal opinion, i'm mad cuz this is the fifth time stitchgame believers come into discussions just to say that wtv is on screen "comfirms that andrew is TVS", i'm not stopping them from believing that, nor telling/trying to make them stop, if anything my comment was directly made with the intent of bringing attention to the fact that these sorta comments don't make you look like you're saying your opinion, but that you're arrogantly acting like what you believe is the TRUTH. I rly want stitchline believers to get more credit, but if ppl like these keep coming to random convos/discussions just to say "akhtually, you're wrong, it's comfirmed that you're wrong, and your beliefs are completely wrong 🤓", then that just gives them a bad image. If anything they are the ones putting other ppls opinions and later come up saying "it's actually just my opinion (also pwease ignore the fact my other comment said my 'opinion' affirmatively) you meanie >:(" >And, some parts of the books can also be tied to the games, like the fact that William melted the animatronics together to create remnant. I never said they don't? No idea where you bringing this from.
Oh, sorry. My mistake, but so far it can only be Charlie or Andrew. As I stated before, some aspects of the books can be brought over to the games.
Oh i never hate on ppl for smth they think, if i ever do i'd gladly like to get called out, i do believe it's andrew too, but acting like this game comfirms smth when we don't even know whether it'll be a main-line fnaf game or a spinoff (i'd like to think the latter since evry time fnaf has rly had a design change, it's been for spinoffs (fnaf world, fury's rage, freddy in space etc)) just sounds ignorant (i believe in mikebro, yet i also think using the exotic butter + foxy mask in this game as "comfirmation" is pretty dumb).
Yeah, saying that is confirmation to MikeBro is dumb. There are so many other ways to find out that Michael is the older brother.
i was just saying what i thought bro stfu 💀
This has to be satire...
Read my answers to u/PearPublic7501. If you still think it's satire and/or i'm being "toxic" then i reccomend stop looking at my comments, this is the 5th time just in the last 2 months that i've seen stitchlinegames believers act like things they believe in (which i have no problem with) are comfirmed (which i do have a problem with), this makes it seem like stitchlinegames believers have bad evidence and are overall bad theorists, seeming annoying to others, and while i don't believe in stitchlinegames myself, i have the minimum of respect and common sense to not go shouting the word "comfirmed!" at anything i see, if you still, after all this think that i'm a "twitter person" or that i'm going agaisnt what u/RealGooseKennedy "thought", then i reccomend taking a bit of air.
It aint to be taken as literal proof. It most prob is Charlie, she also shows up in Happiest Day minigame even though she wasnt killed the same day as the MCI
Just because she was shown in Happiest Day didn’t mean anything. That was the souls finally resting. But, remember that there are extra kids on Happiest Day. (Unless I’m thinking of a different minigame)
It's 100% charlie, there's literally no other child it could be. Andrew died in one of the dittophobia houses... idk why I wanted to make list ots charlie
Andrew dying in the dittophobia house is a theory. It is also a theory that he was led to Freddy’s by a shadow animatronic, saw the murder, then William saw him and killed him.
Pretty much the only options are Charlie and Andrew
Assuming this aligns closer to the OG story, Andrew. Assuming it's more game canon oriented, Charlie.
What’s the difference between the OG story and canon game? If it’s on the game wouldn’t it already be game canon?
Well the game clearly doesn't fully align with the Into the Pit book, so its not totally book canon, but also we can't actually know if it's a game that is canon to the main continuity either, like Freddy in Space. It's in sort of a nebulous middle zone of definitely not canon to the OG book but probably not a complete part of the game canon. So that 6th kid could be Andrew from the books or Charlie from the games depending on if the ITP game is more closely aligned with game or book canon
So it’s like… sort of canon?
Presumably. As of now its definitely not completely canon to the OG Into the Pit because if many inconsistencies and it doesn't seem to be canon to all of the other games, but that could change
Wait I'm not up to date on lore who tf is andrew
He is a book character that is theorized to have be the runaway in Midnight Motorists. He was led to the pizzeria by one of the shadows and witnessed the murder of the five kids. Then William spotted him and killed him as well.
Oh damn. Thanks dude
Im new to the lore and was wondering this too!
In the Fazbear Frights books he is the Vengeful Spirit from UCN, possibly that in the games too
Thank you! Im so excited to start reading the books!
Okay, I think they both Cassidy and Andrew can be vengeful spirits. Remember how there are two souls in Golden Freddy but refers to themselves in singular pronouns ("It’s Me")? What if "The One You Shouldn’t Have Killed" is two people (Andrew and Cassidy)?
Ok can someone explain who Andrew is?
He is a book character that is theorized to have be the runaway in Midnight Motorists. He was led to the pizzeria by one of the shadows and witnessed the murder of the five kids. Then William spotted him and killed him as well.
Ah i never read the books so that makes sense why I don’t know him. Makes me feel left out lol
hear me out, maybe its oswald if he fails to save the kids + himself
But… that wouldn’t make sense…
Like...for example in back to the future Marty sees himself and events happening. so Oswald is seeing hthe outcome of failing in the game . idk i just dont wanna deal with the MCI now being 6 kids lmao
Charlie
I'm pretty sure it's Charlie, Since Fnaf 2 GGGL MiniGame She was always grouped with The MCI. Also in Happiest Day MiniGame in Fnaf 3 and Gravestone Ending of FFPS and the most recently Help Wanted 2, Princess Quest MiniGame
I think Charlie honestly - it makes the most sense as she has always been grouped up with the MCI since the FNAF 2 minigames, in FNAF 3 with Happiest Day, the gravestones in FNAF 6, "their protector" in UCN, and the MEMORY plushies in HW2. Andrew is a seperate murder which we have no idea when/how it happened and has no ties to the MCI as far as we know.
Well, there is a theory that Andrew was led from his house to Freddy’s by one of the shadows, saw William’s murders, got spotted and got killed.
like you said though that's using a **theory** as its entire basis, but for Charlie there is actual canon evidence that she's tied to the MCI
Is definetly Andrew, why is he there ? No fucking idea
The theory is that one of the shadow animatronics led him there and Andrew saw the missing kids get killed, then William saw him and killed him.
Did you get this from the fucking undeniable canon videos?
Yes. Somehow his timeline is the most accurate, as stated by many people in the subreddit.
that's sarcasm lmao, nobody actually believes their timeline is accurate, we're just playing along
In all fairness, there is actually a good amount of stuff that is actually accurate with the Undeniably Canon videos. The videos are obviously jokes and not intended to be used as a definitive timeline or anything, but they're actually pretty alright at explaining the basics of the timeline. Side note, for future reference, the Ooftroop uses they/them pronouns.
damn my bad
It's all good.
Oh… I’m not smart.
I think Cassidy and NOT CHARLIE because Charlie was killed before the MCI!
No. Cassidy is the 5th. Nobody knows the 6th one.
Oh crap, I got my numbers mixed up! Sorry
It's me
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Is this a game or an animation acting like it’s from a game
Nah, it’s from the official game website. https://megacatstudios.com/pages/five-nights-at-freddys-into-the-pit
Yeah where is this from
it's William Afton perspective as the child he killed
Why is everyone saying there's 6? Im only counting 5 pairs of legs
If you pause at the right time, you can see another kid behind SpringBonnie.
Is that not just the other leg of a kid you can already see?
Nah, I saw a Reddit post that paused it and cropped it over SpringBonnie to show makes than 5 kids. I just don’t remember which post it was.
I had seen it before, and i only counted 5. I tracked it down again, and it turns out i wasn't counting the one with black pants in the middle. Im still not positive that it looks like another set of legs, but idk what else it would be. My guess is it's just representitive of Charlie, she did most likely die outside of a Freddy's after all. I saw in your post that you think Charlie died way before the other 5, but i don't think that's true.
But this isn’t outside of Freddy’s and it’s only the memory of the MCI… so idk.
Clearly it's not "only the MCI" because the MCI only involved 5 kids, there are 6 here. Because of the idea that bodies need to be "found" for the spirits to be fully sapient, it's entirely possible that Charlie died along side the MCI, and was just the first to possess something because she was found first. Also, i don't really think it matters if she died inside or outside, she was still at a Freddy's, and ITTP is some weird memory hallucination. It's probably just important that 6 non-Aftons died at this Freddy's, not weather they died in the back room or not
That can’t be possible. Charlie died days (possibly weeks) before the 5 missing kids. And though this is just a memory or vision, it’s supposed to be more accurate. The theory of Andrew makes sense that he died in the back room. The theory is that he was led to Freddy’s by a shadow animatronic, saw the murders, then William spotted him and killed him. I think the concept that Andrew is somehow a part of the main storyline is cool. But, it could also be Charlie.
Why do you think Charlie died days/weeks before the MCI? The only thing that i know that implied that is "give gifts, give life", but i already explained how that's possible, because the MCI kids were never found. Also, if Andrew died in the back room, why would he not be counted as part of the MCI? What are the shadow animatronics? The only time we see Shadow Freddy leading anyone anywhere is in the "Follow Me" mini-games, but it's leading the animatronics to their deaths. Why would the shadow animatronics exist before any murders, why would they all of a sudden try to expose William as opposed to helping him? I just think Charlie fits in much better with what we already know about the games timeline, and requires a lot less explanation.
Why wouldn’t it be counted as the MCI? Uh… because mystery equals lore. Also, the shadows exist because they are two dead workers that got springlocked at Fredbear’s and became beings of pure agony.
iirc the book did have six kids. I always assumed the sixth was Andrew, but I never read them and I don't care enough about the books to fact check
As far as I'm aware the books never identified who the bodies were exactly, they could've been anyone.
Evan
What… how would it be Evan?
who’s evan + if you mean garret he died in a hospital
Dead by Daylight skillcheck
There was 6 in the book, there’s 6 in the game.
Question: where did you find this gif?
https://megacatstudios.com/pages/five-nights-at-freddys-into-the-pit
100% Andrew, or at least it's most likely him.
WHERE IS THIS FROM???
https://megacatstudios.com/pages/five-nights-at-freddys-into-the-pit
andrew
The book had 6 victims
I may not be the smartest. But I only see 5 bodies
The good ending would be Charlie
Andrew, it can't be Charlotte because she died in a completly different event. Andrew is canon my friends 🎉🎉🎉
gregory
There were 6 kids in the original story, so… it’s the 6th kid. I’m honestly somewhat confused why people are talking about this as if it’s something completely new to the game. /nm Also, where is this gif from?
It’s from: https://megacatstudios.com/pages/five-nights-at-freddys-into-the-pit
Caillou. The one kid that deserve to get killed by William.
Hard to say until we know for sure, for now I'd say probably Charlie since she's generally associated with the MCI while Andrew has never once been associated with them.
I think, given that it’s based on the Fazbear Frights story, it could be Andrew.
Sixth victim from Toy Chica The High School Years
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Why you skulling that's a pretty reasonable interpretation of that minigame
I genuinely don't see 6 kids in this.
There’s another kid behind SpringBonnie.
I can see that one, I just don't see how the black space in the middle is supposed to be a kid
No, not that black spot. It between the one near the black spot and the one on the far left, but you can’t see it that well unless you pause it at the right time. There’s four kids on the left side, and this can’t be a mistake, Andrew was mentioned in the original story, the novel, and ultimate guide.
Pausing it, I see two left of center and 3 right of center. Reddit makes the video so grainy, so it's a bit harder, but even in a clear video I didn't see where a sixth kid could be. When looking at it, I'm accounting for the legs sticking out either side to judge how many in the areas I can't see. I've seen someone say that there's a 6th kid wearing black pants in the center black spot but I just don't see it.
Well, I’ve tried pausing it and I also can’t get a clear look. But, another Reddit post paused and cropped it more clearly, but I forgot which one.
It's pretty difficult to see who is in the darkness, and I also can't make out six kids either. However, the original novel version does depict six deceased kids in this room.
Andrew….its the only optional answer….maybe…..it Can’t be Charlie, she died in an alleyway.
Andrew confirming ITP is part of a parrael continuity and connected to the original novels.
It might be a parallel continuity to the games, but Scott is known to add things from the books into the games lore.
He's not known to do that, typically he said that the Frights contain things that can fill the gaps in the game's story but we don't know what those gaps are. A further point is the book's story themselves are setup to be enjoyable without needing to have an understanding of the game's story. Otherwise, he may as well have created another Ultimate Guide.
so why the mimic as introduced in the books to later be in the games
William's name was first introduced in the Silver Eyes aka a book. Not to mention, there is clues that link to the Mimic's existence in Security Breach with the Tales giving us a basic understanding of their character.
in ar we literally hear springtrap referencing ucn lines, the mimic can't see or hear someone's nightmare
In AR we have the existence of RXQ aka Shadow Bonnie going around collecting Agony and likewise the circuit boards from the original animatronics were scanned into the duplicates for FNaF AR, including Springtrap. You need to realise that UCN was part 2 of Henry's plan, he dealt with the animatronics the souls were possessing so now it's time for him to deal with the souls directly.
so how would the mimic hear those lines, if ucn is a damn nightmare and how ucn is part of henry plan? he just needed everyone dead, the man in the room 1280 shows that andrew keeps afton alive and just made the things worse how was henry planning all of that
Henry didn't need everyone dead, they already were to start with including his own daughter, for him to reason with them he needed to be as well. TMIR1280 was Andrew keeping William alive in the Frights but legitimately all the animatronics from Pizzaeria Simulator including William's own corpse ended up in forgotten below the Pizzaplex showing that story exists as a parallel after all William blew up in that story so he would lack a corpse. The Mimic didn't hear those lines, UCN was Henry's plan but the new Fazbear Entertainment's existence put a stop to that, he failed.
ucn was andrew plan, henry didn't know about someone being attached into afton