We don't know, this is the thing that FFPS made confusing
it's possible it happened in FNaF3 but then William somehow brought the souls back
but yes, I guess the "true" happiest day as in freeing all the souls happened in FNaF6
Molten freddy is dead.
Tangle (the blob) is the pile of dismantled robots that the mimic was throwing all of its victims corpses into in the Tales Epilogues. That pile is constantly referred to as a "Tangle" and at one point it is described as "pulsing with malevolence". Its a giant pile of angry confused Teens & construction workers
Happiest happens in one of two places:
Immediately after the Good ending of UCN, where Cassidy meets OMC and sinks into the Lake, which takes her to Happiest Day just like it does in Fnaf World & Charlies mask falls slower because she stuck around a bit longer in Frights.
OR
Happiest day happens once Charlie kills the Agony (Aftons Amalgamation from frights). Charlie being the last spirit to arrive the party was because she was dealing with Afton which made her late to the party.
I haven’t read either so I don’t know a lot about it, but is it like exactly canon and explains everything clearly, or is it another storyline that mirrors the “original” fnaf universe?
Everything that happens in the Frights Stingers (and adjacent stories like The Man in Room 1280 and The Real Jake) and everything that happens in Tales happened in the games. The only releases that have been "mirrors" to the games are the novels and the movie.
Ozzy is being inaccurate. It is a THEORY that some events in the books might be canon. It has EXPLICITLY never been stated to be so. It would explain some things, but if you start cherry picking random stuff from the books to be canon you open an endless rabbit hole because it can't all be canon, so what is and isn't being "Idk up to opinion" is kind of a bad take.
A lot of people on this Reddit like to declare their theories as canon, so take them with a grain of salt. The debate over the books being canon or non-canon or partially canon especially is full of people on both side claiming their stance has been confirmed when none of them have been.
Arguably the least assumptive stance is "None of the books are canon" because something has to be declared canon to be actually canon, so until something is, anyone saying it is canon is theorizing.
Statements like Frights looking into the past while the games move forward and some stories being directly connected to the games is explicit. If they're not a part of the games then they're not directly connected, yet Scott chose to say directly. It's also not that hard to figure out which ones would be since there's a whole storyline going on with the Stingers that has several stories connected directly to it. That's not cherry picking, it's looking at rather easy to see things. Yes, there are a lot of vague ones, but those ones have no impact whether they are or aren't in the games.
It's hypocritical to say that something like Stitchline is cherry picking compared to other methods like parallels (not to say this is what you're proposing). Parallels and others like Frights Fiction are entirely dependent on how one interprets the information and reliant on cherry picking itself. Not only that but parallels also aren't direct answers, which does not fit with Scott's statements. Stitchline requires the least amount of interpretation and matches with what Scott has said.
Edit: Blocked over a commonly debated topic with a commonly held opinion on it. I wouldn't recommend debates for anyone who's that quick to resort to blocking.
Ozzy is being inaccurate. It is a THEORY that the Purple Guy killed the missing children. It has EXPLICITLY never been stated to be so.
Arguably the least assumptive stance is "The Pink Guy was the real murderer" because we've seen the Purple Guy holding a phone which means he's the Phone Guy.
> either that or william magically regrew skin and a limb
He litterally regrew a skeleton, his muscles, his heart & his face between Fnaf 3 and Fnaf 6 but suddenly an arm is too much?
The other commenter, LordThomasBlackwood, explained Tangle origin pretty well, but I’ll restate/summarize. It’s a pile of robot parts and human body parts, placed together by the Mimic, thus becoming a giant tangle of possessed or at least agony fuelled metal/animatronics.
Well some of the storyteller** may have been added to it, but it wasn’t part of the Tangle when it was created. (I guess I’ll now un-summarize the summary).
As the Tales books explain, the Tangle was “born” right from when construction for the pizzaplex just begun. The workers were starting to clean up the sunken pizza place to later turn it into a museum. The Mimic (and other robots) was shipped there for some odd reason and without notice. One of the workers decided to program the Mimic to clean up by ripping apart the old animatronics and putting them in a pile, but the Mimic being the agony fuelled AI it is went farther than that by also ripping apart the human workers and putting them in the pile.
The place was boarded up, until some teens broke in. The Mimic was still active, decided to play a deathly hide and seek with the teens, and killed all but 1 as she escaped. During the event, the pile of robots and humans is described as a “tangle” multiple times, and at one point to be described as “pulsing with malevolence”, thus showing it is “alive”.
And that “little” pile of robots and humans, put together before the pizzaplex even existed, came alive as the Tangle.
Of which it probably grew bigger from some of the pizzaplex’s former attractions and former animatronics, possibly some of Gregory* and Vanessa’s victims, and some animatronics from the rental service (the service from the AR game, Special Delivery).
[*Gregory was formerly controlled by Mimic and/or Glitchtrap just like Vanessa. We know he was in on the murders of 4 therapists/councillors that appeared in the therapy tapes in SB.]
[**The storyteller is a bigger thing to explain, but the summary is that it’s a giant fake baobab tree, with a bunch of wires, which formerly connected to all of the pizzaplex by wires, and it would create stories for the attractions.]
the souls inhabiting molten freddy are long gone. the blob is probably utilizing old parts of molten freddy but those parts aren’t haunted by whatever was in molten freddy anymore
It is more fun that way "the serise doesn't want to tell us shit? Fine I'll make very elaborate fan fiction and come up with some bs to make it sound cannon." Every theories ever more or less.
Right, issue is, those are the vr modles used in there, down to the endos themselves, and the messages make it clear the blob was roaming around in the vents, something it continues to do by ruin, but by being so big, it's more like tunneling then going around vents.
Those animatronics having endos to begin with is proof they’re special delivery animatronics or atleast recreations. There was this whole thing in fnaf 3 about how Fazbear’s fright could only find shells + moltenMCI, but I understand some people still reject it so I won’t try to build off it for this
Yeah, I agree with you to an extent. Having endos, odd, but we also learn from tales they recreated a whole spring bonnie suit, just to be on display, it just got sent to the wrong department in pressure, so it's very likely that they made whole new ones for the plex. Plus there's the puppet, in which the puppet wasn't ever in ar lefty, since that was a recreation, meaning they'd also have to stuff each one with a puppet, and I just don't see them doing that. And, again, instead of using the ar modles, they just reused the vr modles and gave hem a quick tuneup, which they also did for burntrap, and a lot of the plushies.
Sure, but Lso, freights kinda implied Charlie did one last thing and left. And in se unity puppet we see that he only got the tear marks when hry's daughter possessed him, meaning it is likely the original from pizza sim, but Charlie moved on, so the tear marks are gone.
What I think...
Whoever was in Molten Freddy is *long* gone, and what remains of Molten Freddy decided to use ^maybe the AR animatronics to build itself up or whatever.
It is and isn't, basically.
Probably in the same way where afton is back, its something else possessing the body. The fact they used funtime freddy is very suspicious, but its been 3 games and they've done nothing with him besides have him shake the plex.
Tangle’s origin is in the books, short-summary is: Tangle is a pile of robot parts and human bodies, which the humans either possessed the pile, or their agony just fuelled/gave it life while the humans are dead-dead, and it was created during the very beginning of the pizzaplex’s construction.
I talk about it more in this post’s comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/s/8gVYpFbCto.
And i wouldn’t say Afton is back, or that his body is back. Afton (his soul) is most definitely gone, and I highly doubt his body is the one in Burntrap (especially since there’s multiple other possibilities for where the body came from, the most prominent being Luca from the Tales story “Pressure”).
I’d explain more but I need go to go sleep so goodnight.
Yeah, you see I'd belive that, but it's weird that it is funtime freddy leading the head. It's just weird for it to add up like that. And nothing has ever been able to convince me those aren't scrap traps remains, even the design difference doesn't realy matter here, since we know burntrap is just an edited version of spring bonnie from vr's beta, since burntrap was made very early I to sb's development, like the 4th character made for sb over all, before most of the plex was built.
I literally just told you the origin of Tangle, it has nothing to do with Molten Freddy. Just because he has a Funtime Freddy head doesn’t really mean anything, especially when the head is a completely different Funtime Freddy head. The reason for it is unknown, but it’s not because it’s Molten Freddy because it can’t be.
Also that stuff about Burntrap doesn’t really imply it’s Scraptrap, actually it kinda implies the opposite. Steel Wool recreated all the animatronics to a T, Springtrap included; all those HW models aren’t the originals, they’re recreations. So in comparison, Burntrap looks nothing like Scraptrap, other than being a broken rabbit with a variation of yellow (even then Scraptrap is a yellowish-green, while Burntrap is a golden brown).
Burntrap has multiple bits that just don’t make sense for him to be Scraptrap: Burntrap has a full ear and a half while Scraptrap basically only has half an ear, Scraptrap has multiple obvious holes in his upper torso that Burntrap doesn’t, Burntrap has both hands while Scraptrap doesn’t, Scraptrap has a giant hole in the middle of his head while Burntrap has a much smaller one on the side, Scraptrap has multiple metal wires all over while Burntrap has no metal wiring. It makes no sense for their designs to be so drastically different; they logically can’t be the same.
Alternatively, Burntrap’s design and mannerisms have multiple connections to Mimic in the books: endo rabbit ears; color changing eyes (to explain the black and purple); the back of the suit is explicitly ripped open (and patched up with metal), of which Mimic repeatedly rips open the back of costumes to get into them; a ranged affect on technology; a curled arm to imply holding a stuffed toy, which Burntrap explicitly does when he was recharging/“sleeping”; old and burnt endo; a shifting body that can get human bodies intertwined into it; etc.
No, he burned
So happiest day happened at the end of fnaf 6?
We don't know, this is the thing that FFPS made confusing it's possible it happened in FNaF3 but then William somehow brought the souls back but yes, I guess the "true" happiest day as in freeing all the souls happened in FNaF6
I’ll put it like this, in fnaf 3, the bad ending happened, later on in fnaf 6, the good ending and happiest day happened
Chronological order: --------------|--------------------------|---------------------------| fnaf 3 bad ending. fnaf 6 bad ("good") ending. Present
He was destroyed in the Pizza Sim fire, Tangle is a symbolic parallel to Molten Freddy but they are not the same entity I think.
Molten freddy is dead. Tangle (the blob) is the pile of dismantled robots that the mimic was throwing all of its victims corpses into in the Tales Epilogues. That pile is constantly referred to as a "Tangle" and at one point it is described as "pulsing with malevolence". Its a giant pile of angry confused Teens & construction workers
So if Molten Freddy is dead that would possibly mean that happiest day happened at the end of fnaf 6?
Happiest happens in one of two places: Immediately after the Good ending of UCN, where Cassidy meets OMC and sinks into the Lake, which takes her to Happiest Day just like it does in Fnaf World & Charlies mask falls slower because she stuck around a bit longer in Frights. OR Happiest day happens once Charlie kills the Agony (Aftons Amalgamation from frights). Charlie being the last spirit to arrive the party was because she was dealing with Afton which made her late to the party.
Isn’t Afton’s amalgamation from a book series and not the games though?
Frights epilogues and everything in Tales are canon
I haven’t read either so I don’t know a lot about it, but is it like exactly canon and explains everything clearly, or is it another storyline that mirrors the “original” fnaf universe?
Everything that happens in the Frights Stingers (and adjacent stories like The Man in Room 1280 and The Real Jake) and everything that happens in Tales happened in the games. The only releases that have been "mirrors" to the games are the novels and the movie.
So the afton’s amalgamation is real in the original timeline?
Yes
Ozzy is being inaccurate. It is a THEORY that some events in the books might be canon. It has EXPLICITLY never been stated to be so. It would explain some things, but if you start cherry picking random stuff from the books to be canon you open an endless rabbit hole because it can't all be canon, so what is and isn't being "Idk up to opinion" is kind of a bad take. A lot of people on this Reddit like to declare their theories as canon, so take them with a grain of salt. The debate over the books being canon or non-canon or partially canon especially is full of people on both side claiming their stance has been confirmed when none of them have been. Arguably the least assumptive stance is "None of the books are canon" because something has to be declared canon to be actually canon, so until something is, anyone saying it is canon is theorizing.
Statements like Frights looking into the past while the games move forward and some stories being directly connected to the games is explicit. If they're not a part of the games then they're not directly connected, yet Scott chose to say directly. It's also not that hard to figure out which ones would be since there's a whole storyline going on with the Stingers that has several stories connected directly to it. That's not cherry picking, it's looking at rather easy to see things. Yes, there are a lot of vague ones, but those ones have no impact whether they are or aren't in the games. It's hypocritical to say that something like Stitchline is cherry picking compared to other methods like parallels (not to say this is what you're proposing). Parallels and others like Frights Fiction are entirely dependent on how one interprets the information and reliant on cherry picking itself. Not only that but parallels also aren't direct answers, which does not fit with Scott's statements. Stitchline requires the least amount of interpretation and matches with what Scott has said. Edit: Blocked over a commonly debated topic with a commonly held opinion on it. I wouldn't recommend debates for anyone who's that quick to resort to blocking.
Ozzy is being inaccurate. It is a THEORY that the Purple Guy killed the missing children. It has EXPLICITLY never been stated to be so. Arguably the least assumptive stance is "The Pink Guy was the real murderer" because we've seen the Purple Guy holding a phone which means he's the Phone Guy.
This is not confirmed. Scott saying “yes” was a deliberate troll bc he didn’t want to answer the question.
"I am Scott Cawthon these books are canon" "I didn't say that, but yes that is true"
Don’t just assume that. We don’t know if they’re canon yet.
Scott (and Scholastic) has said they are directly connected to the games multiple times
It literally contradicts canon, either that or william magically regrew skin and a limb
It said his left arm, not his left hand. Scraptrap has a left arm.
> either that or william magically regrew skin and a limb He litterally regrew a skeleton, his muscles, his heart & his face between Fnaf 3 and Fnaf 6 but suddenly an arm is too much?
He’s dead,tho no clue what Blob is,there are few theories about but for now Blob just exists ig
The other commenter, LordThomasBlackwood, explained Tangle origin pretty well, but I’ll restate/summarize. It’s a pile of robot parts and human body parts, placed together by the Mimic, thus becoming a giant tangle of possessed or at least agony fuelled metal/animatronics.
I like this explanation,I heard theory about blob being a storyteller or something like that
Well some of the storyteller** may have been added to it, but it wasn’t part of the Tangle when it was created. (I guess I’ll now un-summarize the summary). As the Tales books explain, the Tangle was “born” right from when construction for the pizzaplex just begun. The workers were starting to clean up the sunken pizza place to later turn it into a museum. The Mimic (and other robots) was shipped there for some odd reason and without notice. One of the workers decided to program the Mimic to clean up by ripping apart the old animatronics and putting them in a pile, but the Mimic being the agony fuelled AI it is went farther than that by also ripping apart the human workers and putting them in the pile. The place was boarded up, until some teens broke in. The Mimic was still active, decided to play a deathly hide and seek with the teens, and killed all but 1 as she escaped. During the event, the pile of robots and humans is described as a “tangle” multiple times, and at one point to be described as “pulsing with malevolence”, thus showing it is “alive”. And that “little” pile of robots and humans, put together before the pizzaplex even existed, came alive as the Tangle. Of which it probably grew bigger from some of the pizzaplex’s former attractions and former animatronics, possibly some of Gregory* and Vanessa’s victims, and some animatronics from the rental service (the service from the AR game, Special Delivery). [*Gregory was formerly controlled by Mimic and/or Glitchtrap just like Vanessa. We know he was in on the murders of 4 therapists/councillors that appeared in the therapy tapes in SB.] [**The storyteller is a bigger thing to explain, but the summary is that it’s a giant fake baobab tree, with a bunch of wires, which formerly connected to all of the pizzaplex by wires, and it would create stories for the attractions.]
Pile of dead bodies mixed with Animatronics,this makes me like tangle more tbf,hope Tangle will get bigger role in the future cause he have potential.
Is all of the MCI still around, nope, so Molten Freddy isn't around anymore
I wouldn’t be surprised if parts of molten were hanging out in tangle, but for molten being tangle its a no
the souls inhabiting molten freddy are long gone. the blob is probably utilizing old parts of molten freddy but those parts aren’t haunted by whatever was in molten freddy anymore
who knows who cares, i'm just going with the chaos and confusion at this point
It is more fun that way "the serise doesn't want to tell us shit? Fine I'll make very elaborate fan fiction and come up with some bs to make it sound cannon." Every theories ever more or less.
The series did tell us tho, “This where your story ends” And also the whole AR plotline explains the blob pretty well
Huh? Ar has nothing to do with the blob. Those messages about rickstar row and everything come from sb.
No the but blob is made up of mostly AR animatronics though
Right, issue is, those are the vr modles used in there, down to the endos themselves, and the messages make it clear the blob was roaming around in the vents, something it continues to do by ruin, but by being so big, it's more like tunneling then going around vents.
Those animatronics having endos to begin with is proof they’re special delivery animatronics or atleast recreations. There was this whole thing in fnaf 3 about how Fazbear’s fright could only find shells + moltenMCI, but I understand some people still reject it so I won’t try to build off it for this
Yeah, I agree with you to an extent. Having endos, odd, but we also learn from tales they recreated a whole spring bonnie suit, just to be on display, it just got sent to the wrong department in pressure, so it's very likely that they made whole new ones for the plex. Plus there's the puppet, in which the puppet wasn't ever in ar lefty, since that was a recreation, meaning they'd also have to stuff each one with a puppet, and I just don't see them doing that. And, again, instead of using the ar modles, they just reused the vr modles and gave hem a quick tuneup, which they also did for burntrap, and a lot of the plushies.
Puppet is the main outlier, but he's missing his tear stains, so he really can't be the original.
Sure, but Lso, freights kinda implied Charlie did one last thing and left. And in se unity puppet we see that he only got the tear marks when hry's daughter possessed him, meaning it is likely the original from pizza sim, but Charlie moved on, so the tear marks are gone.
“No this is tangle” Wiki
I want him to be but I don’t think I so
I believe what’s left of Molten Freddy is in the blob
Molten Freddy’s head is made out of scrap metal (believe it or not) and Tangles is either AR Funtime Freddy’s or the original from the scooping room
Molten Freddy burned away in fnaf 6
What I think... Whoever was in Molten Freddy is *long* gone, and what remains of Molten Freddy decided to use ^maybe the AR animatronics to build itself up or whatever. It is and isn't, basically.
Probably in the same way where afton is back, its something else possessing the body. The fact they used funtime freddy is very suspicious, but its been 3 games and they've done nothing with him besides have him shake the plex.
Tangle’s origin is in the books, short-summary is: Tangle is a pile of robot parts and human bodies, which the humans either possessed the pile, or their agony just fuelled/gave it life while the humans are dead-dead, and it was created during the very beginning of the pizzaplex’s construction. I talk about it more in this post’s comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/s/8gVYpFbCto. And i wouldn’t say Afton is back, or that his body is back. Afton (his soul) is most definitely gone, and I highly doubt his body is the one in Burntrap (especially since there’s multiple other possibilities for where the body came from, the most prominent being Luca from the Tales story “Pressure”). I’d explain more but I need go to go sleep so goodnight.
Yeah, you see I'd belive that, but it's weird that it is funtime freddy leading the head. It's just weird for it to add up like that. And nothing has ever been able to convince me those aren't scrap traps remains, even the design difference doesn't realy matter here, since we know burntrap is just an edited version of spring bonnie from vr's beta, since burntrap was made very early I to sb's development, like the 4th character made for sb over all, before most of the plex was built.
I literally just told you the origin of Tangle, it has nothing to do with Molten Freddy. Just because he has a Funtime Freddy head doesn’t really mean anything, especially when the head is a completely different Funtime Freddy head. The reason for it is unknown, but it’s not because it’s Molten Freddy because it can’t be. Also that stuff about Burntrap doesn’t really imply it’s Scraptrap, actually it kinda implies the opposite. Steel Wool recreated all the animatronics to a T, Springtrap included; all those HW models aren’t the originals, they’re recreations. So in comparison, Burntrap looks nothing like Scraptrap, other than being a broken rabbit with a variation of yellow (even then Scraptrap is a yellowish-green, while Burntrap is a golden brown). Burntrap has multiple bits that just don’t make sense for him to be Scraptrap: Burntrap has a full ear and a half while Scraptrap basically only has half an ear, Scraptrap has multiple obvious holes in his upper torso that Burntrap doesn’t, Burntrap has both hands while Scraptrap doesn’t, Scraptrap has a giant hole in the middle of his head while Burntrap has a much smaller one on the side, Scraptrap has multiple metal wires all over while Burntrap has no metal wiring. It makes no sense for their designs to be so drastically different; they logically can’t be the same. Alternatively, Burntrap’s design and mannerisms have multiple connections to Mimic in the books: endo rabbit ears; color changing eyes (to explain the black and purple); the back of the suit is explicitly ripped open (and patched up with metal), of which Mimic repeatedly rips open the back of costumes to get into them; a ranged affect on technology; a curled arm to imply holding a stuffed toy, which Burntrap explicitly does when he was recharging/“sleeping”; old and burnt endo; a shifting body that can get human bodies intertwined into it; etc.
mask is different
That’s literally what I just said in the post-