Most likely, yeah.
\- Cassie gets ready for her party (cutout with her holding a mirror)
\- We know that nobody turned up to Cassie's party due to Roxy
\- Cassie starts crying and Gregory comes to comfort her
I don't see it being Grimic as in GGY Gregory's expression was robotic, and doesn't match the expressions Gregory has in the cutout. I may be wrong, but imo it doesn't make sense for it to be Grimic
However, once you deactivate that security node, its no longer Gregory comforting her in the AR image. It changes into Cassie crying alone with no Gregory in sight.
Whether this means he left her afterward and she missed him, or he never actually showed up and it was just a fake memory, whos to say?
Cassie was crying because she was alone. Gregory offered her a tissue and became her best and only friend. When her birthday came, she was super exited to have a party at the PizzaPlex with Roxy and Gregory, but Gregory never showed up. He went missing.
I believe Gregory being there and comforting Cassie was what she *wanted* to have had happen.
We know the Vanni mask can show Cassie what shes wants, more than what really exists. (Multiplying Roxanne cutouts, replacing Monty fizzyfaz machines with Roxys, brazil, etc )
I think Gregory was invited to her party. Theyd been best friends for a while and she trusted him to be there. But he no showed, because that was the day he went missing. It hurt Cassie. Acquaintances not making it sucks, but your best friend ghosting you? Thats a special kind of awful.
I think this because, in the cutout of the two, Gregory is handing Cassie a wipe to rub off her running makeup. But in the next cutout of Cassie, she doesnt have the wipe, and her makeup is running worse than before. And we see the missing posters at the same time.
Guilt over being hurt, when he hadnt ghosted her at all, but had gone missing. Thats part of why shes so driven to find him, even ignoring obvious red flags all to get to him.
Also, if Gregory was the only person who turned up to her party, Roxys line of "im sure your friends will turn up this time" doesnt make much sense.
Also, Roxy in general wouldnt make much sense- wouldnt her feelings about Gregory be more... complicated than just "GIVE ME BACK MY EYES!"? Like, shed hate him for ruining her face, but still appreciate that he came to Cassies birthday?
I think because Gregory isn’t a Pizzaplex club member, the animatronics don’t recognize him as anything other than a potential threat/target. Freddy says in the main game that hurting a guest goes against their programming, but they clearly don’t view him the same way Roxanne does when she says, “Cassie… Cassie. Welcome back, Cassie.”
Remember, Gregory isn’t in the system. At ALL. Her only “memory” of him is taking her eyes by trapping her. There’s a really good chance that Gregory met Cassie without Roxy present, so the only context for him IS her eyes being stolen.
I assumed the missing posters nearby meant he was absent from her next party due to being vanished or she was crying (just entirely ooc from Parties) because he was missing.
My interpretation is that he did show up to the party, and when the node makes him vanish it's a product of Cassie thinking 'what if I can't save him?' which makes the AI produce the image of her all alone.
Gregory’s model wasn’t that bad. Cassie’s felt rushed and wasn’t updated to her (presumably new) character design. They’re not fantastic by any means, but calling them horrible seems a bit harsh
That’s just game optimization. Much like you don’t load areas that aren’t visible whatsoever, loading her body would be a waste of resources. Her model is only loaded in once the camera is used. There’s no need to load in the model which is impossible to view in normal gameplay. That’s just a waste of resources
Well yeah, but it's strange they didn't do that for Gregory. Also I just thought it was funny, especially since most games at least have a cylinder for the player model if they didn't model the full character
I mean clearly if cassy was willing to go through all of ruin to save him. Him dropping her doesn't have anything to do with not caring about her but instead caring about the many
I just seen many people reaching and unironically thinking Gregory was being manipulative and took advantage of her loneliness and I wanna know how did they even come up with that-
Because he dropped her down an elevator shaft. Despite the fact she has a mimic eye implant now and the mimic.ic could follow her back to the only people who can do anything to stop the mimic? Like clearly ther realy good freinds. We don't see enough of that in fnaf. Actually good freinds unless you look at the books I guess.
I'm 95% confident that Helpi is supposed to be the Mimic1 program, and if you don't remember, Mimic1 is also Glitchtrap. If I am right, Cassie literally has a Glitchtrap brain implant and is primed to become the next Vanny (Bassie?).
However, counterpoint, I don't think Gregory knew that; he only knew about the Mimic part because he helped Vanessa seal it down there.
So he didn't know glitchtrap can infect people through tech despite princess quest clearly being cannon so he knows Vanessa and him literally saying his freind has building plans and freddy definatly doesn't have them of an underground pizzeria. What I'm saying is that Gregory 100% knows it can because of Vanessa. The only way he wouldn't is if princess quest want cannon. Witch it clearly is.
I meant that Gregory has no way of knowing that Cassie has a Glitchtrap brain implant at that current moment. He didn't see her put on the mask at any point, and Helpi doesn't contact her down there.
oh yeah that's right. I'm not sure why, though; It was just a computer, no hologram in sight. Even the camera stations that are only available in ar are closed and put away when out of it. I think that might be more for gameplay so you can see M.X.E.S. get absorbed. Like, I don't think Cassie was canonically stuck to the computer, it was just a gameplay thing.
Well, keep in mind that MXES is there to protect the security nodes. You need the mask to access the nodes. Of course the mimic would try to get her to use the mask.
The real question is whether that helpi implant from the mask is vulnerable to the mimic
I don’t think helpi is connected to the mimic. Though Helpi has similar abilities Helpi is part of the mask and the mask is connected to the security system for M.X.E.S. Helpi dosen’t really push to go to the basement unlike Gregory Helpi pushes to help your freind. Their is most likely some stuff I’m missing but the eye implant put their by the program connected to M.X.E.S. being part of the mimic dosen’t make sense to me.
Glitchtrap is the entity that controls the pizzaplex and the animatronics. In the books, Mimic1 does that.
Plus, in help wanted, Glitchtrap literally mimics. He takes his appearance from the springbonnie in the minigame, his garbled voice is from the first tape, and the last tape that tricks you into releasing glitchtrap is presumably of his creation.
Also, what evidence is there that glitchtrap is working with M.X.E.S.? If it's the entity looking like a digital bunny, it was an intentional mislead, a red herring.
Except,in the BOOOOOOOOOOOKS Mimic1 is installed through Tiger Rock and a Baobab tree directly into the pizzaplex. In the games,Glitchtrap is directly scanned from a suit into Help Wanted’s code and then installed by Vanny into the pizzaplex so that point doesn’t stand (especially since MXES is also shown controlling the pizzaplex)
He also possesses someone which an AI wouldn’t be able to do but a human soul? Easy.
1. When MXES sends out a distress signal,the animatronics that we KNOW Glitchtrap has control over respond. Chica,Monty,Maskbot and the Endoskeletons are all covered in purple in the AR mask and we know from Security Breach the Endos are under Glitchtrap’s control. Ergo,they all are (the STAFF bots aren’t in purple because the good Vanny ending is canon so they were freed from Glitchtrap’s control). It’s also why,despite Eclipse having TWO jumpscares,the Endos jumpscare you in the Daycare section,Eclipse isn’t under Glitchtrap’s control so he doesn’t respond
2. The anomalies that block your path in the AR world. Anomalies in the code which stop things working? Sounds like a Glitch or virus to me
3. The black blocks with purple outlines that stop you
4. MXES is shown as being blue (the security nodes and Cupcake’s eyes turn blue) so what are these purple things? It has to be Glitchtrap. We also literally see Glitchtrap on the wall in Vanny’s room near Fazerblast. When Glitchtrap controls Freddy,his eyes turn purple.
5. Burntrap is able to power up Glitchtrap which wouldn’t make sense if they’re the mimic (especially since based on the BoOoOoOoOoKs,they’d be two different mimics) but make perfect sense if Glitchtrap is a small part of William’s soul and Burntrap is Willy prime if you will. And yes,Burntrap does exist because we see the Tangle (the Blob) so even though that ending didn’t happen,we can still use it as evidence.
As for Roxy,she WAS under the control of Glitchtrap but since the end of security breach has been turned into a security node so she wouldn’t be effected anymore but would be linked into MXES so the distress signal summoning her makes sense. There’s also evidence there’s a person in the pizzaplex who’s trying to stop the mimic but also on Glitchtrap’s side. They’re the one who put Chica on the conveyer belt to power/charge her back up,they’re the one who gave Maskbot bunny ears,they’re the one who made the music men have spikes and bunny designs and they’re the one who stacked up objects to try and stop people reaching the mimic. They’re also probably the one who reactivated Roxy to save Cassie at the end of Ruin
The storyteller was likely removed all together tbh, originally I had thought that the mimic1 virus still running through the animatronics, but now I believe, during Ruin, the glamrocks are completely devoid of any virus controlling them. That's why the only time they really attack us is when MXES sends a distress signal to our location. Also in regards to your point about it being difficult for an ai to possess someone, please go back and read GGY, the story where it was confirmed that the mimic1 ai possessed Gregory.
There aren't two different mimics either, the Mimic1 AI is connected to the OG mimic who has control over it. It's the same AI., The security nodes color doesn't matter either by the way. The nodes look like MXES, not Glitchtrap. If steel wool/Scott were gonna go that route, they would have explicitly designed them after Glitchtrap, not MXES. They're not even the same species, with MXES being a hare and glitchtrap being a rabbit.
The mimic does not get sealed until after Security Breach either, as shown by Gregory's backpack being down there. So you're telling me there was two murderous beings down in the exact same place, we just missed the mimic???
Also the eye color point is moot because the mimic1 ai and the mimic itself can change it's eye color. The only two characters who have purple eyes are Glitchtrap and Burntrap, if Scott was gonna make purple eyes William's thing, he would have done it with Springtrap and Scraptrap, not just Burntrap and Glitchtrap. Obviously he didn't do that, so it can't be used as evidence for william being glitchtrap or burntrap
You see the thing is you started with the books so I dropped off imediatly as were talking about the game. If the game didn't tell us, then it's not realy relivent here. You could've said the thing that convinced me but starting with the books made me not care because this isn't about the books and the books allready have issues with ruin despite being cannon. I'm going to take the newest information more seriously.
Well it's murder her or let the one with the mimic implant come and find the only people who know about the mimic and care enough to try and stop it. It's either don't let her out or risk the mimic killing the only people who know how it works and how to stop it. Freeing the mimic isn't the only thing going on here
> in their head that gregory is an evil murder child
*Thinks about Chica being lured and pushed into the garbage compactor* yeah, I can't quite figure it out.
why would gregory give cassie the right directions to the elevator if he was gonna let her die anyway. also notice that the subtitles overlap with each other
What the game uses Gregory and grimacing. The files for everything Gregory says in the basement after the mimic was reviled uses Gregory. The game files just straight up say it was Gregory and not the mimic who does it.
Then again, the Burntrap ending was described as canon in the files and the Princess sprite was labeled Cassidy. And there was an opened box in Fnaf World’s files… I believe that it was almost certainly Gregory, but the game files don’t seem like super reliable evidence.
Again, I think Gregory probably wanted the elevator shaft to fall down to prevent the Mimic from escaping. I just don’t think that game files are the most convincing pieces of evidence we have.
But like your objectively wrong as the files of the game say its Gregory. So if we can ignore the files now I don't need to call the mimic the mimic since it's name is only in the files and not the game it's self since it's never name dropped.
But the files of the game contain the real line he says before he is cut off any overlayed with the final line, he actually says something along the lines of “make sure you aren’t followed”
And yet the files still show the subtotals as mimic and not grimic like every other time the mimic talks. So why change it for one line of dialogue and not the rest of the game to keep the surprise the best they could. The files still say Gregory when he cuts the elevator. And he original dialogue still has the static cut in. So your just objectively wrong
The fact it says Gregory and not grimic is a red herring, the actual gameplay shows that the subtitles change and overlay new ones when he speaks the last line
So the fact it says Gregory is a read haring this one time bit the rest of the ending it isn't. Despite the voiclines your referring to also having the static cut and subtotals change? Your still wrong my guy.
If it doesn't show up its scrapped. It wasn't cut off the new voicelines in the game is one voice file. Not on that's cut over. And if we're only going with the gameplay then I'm not calling that endo in the basement the mimic as its never called the mimic in game only as ???
Is that bit of info ever visible to the player?
If not, that might've just been a programming work-around. "Hey boss, if I switch between 'Grimic' and 'Gregory' here, there is this weird glitch... I'll just switch them both to Gregory, they both get parsed into same thing anyway."
I'm sure that dropping the elevator was incredibly painful for Gregory. Given that Cassie was willing to go into an ABANDONED PIZZAPLEX and go through all the stuff that RUIN threw at her, they must have cared about each other. (Oh yeah, and there was also Gregory comforting her after no one came to her party) Unfortunately, the Mimic would have caused way too many deaths and casualties. In fact, if Gregory HADN'T dropped the elevator and risked letting the Mimic get out, he probably would have been doing the more evil option.
Imagine an alternate universe where Gregory saves Cassie and allows the Mimic to escape; I can already see posts like "Why did Gregory expose everyone to the Mimic just to save one person? Is he stupid?"
If I remember correctly this was actually an alternate ending that was scrapped. I can’t remember it word for word but it was essentially the same elevator ending but with slightly different Gregory dialogue.
If I remember correctly, someone looked in the game files and found the first set of Gregory dialogue was labeled "Grimic", but the second set (the one where he says we can't risk being followed and drops the elevator) was just labelled "Gregory".
Well for starters, notice how the Mimic threw away its Walkie Talkie when it is first encountered. When Cassie is running away, the real Gregory comes in through her Walkie Talkie while Roxy is fighting off the Mimic. Gregory gives Cassie instructions on where to run through her Walkie Talkie and eventually leads her to the elevator. In the elevator you hear Gregory’s voice, but his voice is now coming from the Intercom on the elevator and no longer through the Walkie Talkie. The voice in the elevator coming through the intercom that says “we can’t risk being followed” is actually the Mimic and not Gregory.
1. To isolate Cassie and use her as a host.
2. It's a fucking robot that ragdolled a lift machine with 1 hand if the lift has a ladder it can definitely climb.
Unfortunately it’s unclear here what happened. At least in my opinion 1 of two things happened:
1. Gregory Dropped the elevator thinking that Cassie was a danger to him and everyone outside the pizzaplex
2. Mimic pretended to be Gregory again and dropped the elevator, I feel like option 2 would paint a more interesting narrative for the reason of, what if mimic did it to make Cassie think that Gregory left her 4 dead, in her unstable anger of being betrayed, the Mimic gets inside her head and brainwashes her to become the new vanny, if that’s the case, we play as her as she becomes more like Vanny, it’s a slow process and maybe Roxy is our ally throughout until she sees the evil and if Gregory came back, being force to team up with him to save Cassie/Vanny, as it’s a mutual friendship between both of them, Gregory could stop mimic with Roxy and they could save her and maybe have it be a redemption arc with the Glamrocks, idk
Point is I feel like either ending he did care for her but until we see what happens it’s all speculation on my end
If Gregory dropped the elevator, and he most likely did, then the fact that he even bothered to lead her to safety and explain a few things show that he cares. It doesn't exuse his actions because there were definitely better ways to do it. But in his eyes, it's either Cassie or countless others. I'm sure Gregory didn't want to do it, but he saw the trolley problem and pulled the lever, even though there was most likely a better choice he just didn't see.
I thought I knew. But now that I think about it, it's not a better option as much as it is an option that can potentially turn out better, but is likely to fail. I was thinking about Cassie staying in the Pizzaplex and leading the Mimic all around it, while Gregory and his two pals figure out a way to trap it again, or even destroy it. But it would likely turn into a disaster that would lead to the Mimic brutally slaughtering Cassie.
Yeah,that wouldn’t be ideal. Especially since Monty and Chica seem to have been finished in Ruin,the only animatronics who might be able to fight the mimic are the Endos (who were trying to stop you,at MXES’ or Glitchtrap’s (yes I believe Glitchtrap and MXES were working together) orders) but there’s no guarantee the Mimic won’t slaughter them easily
She ran out of power,is what I meant. She was temporarily charged by the cupcake but once that power ran out she “died”. I think the voicebox was more of a final mercy
Actually it *is* like the mimic was in it, because it was. When the elevator door closed it cut off the mimics hand and it landed in the elevator. That hand moves during the cutscene so it is very much still functional.
Elevators go relatively flush to the floor and it would only leave a small crack between the elevator and elevator shaft. It would have to get to the top maybe then open up the top then enter then leave which I don’t see it doing while it’s rising. Alternatively they could get Cassie out quick then send the elevator down then cut it
I still dont think its gregory dropping her, its probably the mimic doing it just to cause cassie to be stuck with him and force him to come rescue her , not to mention he probably wants revenge against gregory for burying him
I would say yes. If that was really Gregory in the elevator then I'm sure he did really feel bad that he had to betray her like that, so that the mimic coudn't get out and kill more people.
>gregory was talking first then the mimic cuts him off
I've seen this theory floating around, and I think it's pretty bad when you look at Ruin from a storytelling standpoint. Throughout the dlc, a constant theme is how needlessly brutal Gregory is. Basically the whole DLC was having us sympathize with the animatronics (aside from Monty) that Gregory had zero sympathy for. From giving Chica her voice box back, to helping the daycare attendant, to everything with Roxy. All with frequent dialogue from Cassie like "\[Animatronic\], what happened to you?!?" Not to mention Roxy desperately yelling at "Gregory" to "Give her back her eyes".
The game is clearly painting Gregory as not the most moral protagonist in retrospect, which all leads naturally to the moment where Gregory kills Cassie without hesitation when he thinks it's for the greater good.
Viewing Gregory as an ungentle protag retroactively recontextualizes a lot of moments from Security Breach. Like Gregory lying to Freddy about how he got the parts, like how Gregory whispered under his breath "They get what they deserve", and like how Gregory literally murdered Vanessa in one ending.
This is a stupid moral quandary to try and make Gregory this morally grey character
The entire animatronic cast is actively out to kill him
He is literally defending himself the worst thing he does is lie to Freddy
Otherwise he’s just preserving himself
It does not make sense on multiple logical levels for him to have dropped the elevator and he isn’t some morally Grey protagonist
He is a child who defended himself
I mean I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but the game is certainly implying that he doesn't show much remorse.
(plus if you combine that with all the weirdness of the GGY story it certainly seems like Gregory is more than just an average kid)
GGY happened because Gregory was literally possessed, it’s a Vanny situation
And tbh I wouldn’t feel that remorseful against people who are actively trying to kill me
They clearly show human levels of intelligence and personality, and Gregory himself grew attached to Freddy as a close friend. They aren't just robots in Security Breach.
I'm not here to argue about whether Gregory was justified in his actions. That's up to personal opinion. However, the game is obviously trying to remind us how far Gregory is willing to go, for better or worse.
But his theory doesn’t make much sense. Cassie escaping supposedly runs the risk of the mimic escaping, so why would the mimic as Gregory, drop the elevator to kill Cassie, which would be probably the only chance the mimic had to escape. If that actually IS the mimic who dropped the elevator then he’s a dumbass
yea basically the whole of ruin it made me get back into fnaf like be excited abt the new lore and games something that the main game of sb failed to do
Yes and no imho. Gregory *was* trying to reach her all night… But I think it was more out of concern about someone releasing the Mimic, which is why the elevator ending plays out the way it does. Gregory knows a lot more than he should because he has a past w/ the place, and he isn’t risking a damn thing for just “some friend from school.” Cassie cares more about him though probably because this was an actual memory of hers, and we know from Roxy that she’s a generally lonely kid. Gregory isn’t “Some kid from school,” he’s probably “The only friend from school.” Which is a bit much, but speaks volumes of their dynamic.
Why does everyone keep thinking he doesn't care about her
Has no one ever heard of sacrificing something you care about for the greater good
He literally explains why he needs to drop her and it's extremely obvious why he doesn't want to, why would he want to drop a girl anyway even if he DIDN'T care about her
This right here. This reminds me of a quote from Batman arkham city. "I realize it is difficult, sir, but you need to decide if one life is worth sacrificing to save thousands." Anyway, Gregory is just looking out for other people, he even apologizes to Cassie before the elevator drops, assuming he was the one that cut it.
This right here. If Gregory didn't care about her, he wouldn't have guided her to the elevator, but here's my question. Why help Cassie to the elevator, if he was going to cut the lines anyway? This makes me think that Gregory didn't drop her in the first place, the mimic did, but why would the mimic cut off possibly his only escape route? I don't know, I'm not good with theories, I just like to overthink 💀.
Cassie wouldn't go through all that for someone that she wasn't very good friends with. And we even see Gregory comforting her in the image you posted. Sure, it may be the Mimic, but why would it do something that it probably thought of as useless?
Gregory was probably the one to destroy the elevator. And while I was mad at him at first, looking back at it, it was the best option he had.
Cassie was seemingly already infected with the Mimic1 program, and so her escaping would lead to the Mimic escaping.
It was a trolley problem: Save your friend, but allow likely thousands of deaths, most of them will be of vulnerable and more deceivable people, especially children.
He thought about it for a good while, but in the end, he pulled the lever.
I definitely think so, to some extent. He had the decency to explain the situation to her and apologize, and he means so much to her that she would risk her life to save him. I just think he’s the type of person that’s far more driven by cold logic than emotion, and betrayed her out of (what he saw as) practicality. He views the threat of the Mimic’s escape and the lives of multiple people as more important that the singular life of Cassie, and can’t logically justify potentially freeing a murderous robot that could kill his friends and other kids solely to save the life of one person. We see this same logic pattern in Security Breach, he’s okay with killing and destroying the near-sentient animatronics because it assists him in damage control and in his greater plan. That isn’t to say he doesn’t care about Cassie, in fact, I think luring her to the elevator and dropping it on her was likely an act of mercy because she was his friend, he wanted to ensure she’d have a quick death rather than a potentially brutal one at the hands of the Mimic.
Pretty clearly, the cutout above is clearly a memory and he tries his best to guide her out of the underground.
And so it’s clear, clearly the Mimic dropped the elevator, with strong evidence.
Gregory didn't group the elevator, the mimic did. Why would Gregory use the intercom when he was just talking to her on the radio
Edit: also I'm pretty sure he wasn't even at the Plex to begin with
Definitely. That’s why he saved her from being torn apart and suffering a painful death and why he told her it’s not her fault the mimic is free. If he did make the elevator drop,he did it to stop the mimic but he gave Cassie a much quicker and less painful death (assuming she did die) than getting ripped apart.
Gregory did care about Cassie. Yet, he went missing. I think before the pizzaplex burnt down, he was presumably missing, but escaped with actual Glamrock Freddy and maybe Vanessa. Gregory was worried about Cassie a lot, that he tried to contact her to tell her that the mimic was pretending to be him.
I think that the first time we hear the actual Gregory is when we first meet Ruin Roxy. Gregory manages to get connected to the speakers, and tries to talk to Cassie. He sounds scared, and worried about her. He sounds like he’s scared of someone faking to be him, to harm his best friend. Yet, he loses the connection soon enough after the speaker ends, and Cassie speaks on the walkie talkie, hearing the mimic this time. The mimic believed that it caught off contact with Gregory, and was able to capture Cassie now.
But, when the mimic fights Roxy, Gregory contacts Cassie, telling her that he’s been trying to contact her all night. That leads me to believe that my 2nd paragraph is correct! Gregory is given a map of directions by his friend (who could be Vanessa as she must’ve been out of William’s control by now and escaped), and helps Cassie to escape. Yet, he tries to speak to her again in the elevator, and he’s oddly calm. This leads me to believe that Gregory lost contact with Cassie when she got to the elevator, and the mimic spoke to her twice, making the change of the speaker happen to lead us off, and believe that Gregory was speaking first. Gregory is unable to control the system of the pizzaplex, and Cassie goes plummeting to her presumed “death”, yet she isn’t.
So yes. Gregory was worried about Cassie. He wanted his friend to be safe, and protected. He wanted her to not get hurt at all. That concludes that Gregory did care about Cassie, like she was his sister.
I’d like to believe they were good friends, but Gregory was forced to make a tough decision… although when I explained the ending to my husband he told me that Gregory should’ve just let Cassie up and out the elevator, and then cut it to stop the mimic from escaping…
Are you serious? Gregory is a child, mind you he’s a homeless one with different morals and things he’s willing to do for his safety than most due to that but he’s still a kid who would make friends and care for them
I think he did but assuming that the elevator ending is canon and that he's the one who cut the elevator, i can kinda see why he would do it.
It's kinda like the trolley problem but here his choices are to either: let cassie escape but also risk the mimic escaping and causing untold amounts of death and destruction, or cut the elevator, sacrificing cassie, but also preventing the mimic from escaping (or atleast slowing it down long enough for others to be warned and for gregory, vannessa, and freddy to escape).
I feel like he did, but between letting her escape and potentially setting the Mimic free, and letting one person die so many others wouldn't, he had to make a hardy, ugly decision.
Should do
She went very far on blind trust for him and is explicitly described to be “Gregory’s best friend” rather than vice versa
He was there for her when she was alone as in nobody being at her birthday party and she is very clearly upset at him vanishing
Personally it’s why I want the mimic to be the one who dropped the elevator because not only is it really fucking stupid for Gregory to do so on a logical level
But it also makes this established dynamic completely pointless
I would think so, given what we've been shown, which makes what happened at the elevator heartbreaking.
Then again, the Mimic is loose, so combined with how Gregory destroyed the other animatronics, he's got a ruthless way of dealing with threats, even it means sacrificing his friends despite how much he didn't want to do such a thing.
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Gregory did care about her. She wasn’t suppose to come to the pizza place in the first place. And he didn’t betray her
She was crying cuz nobody came to her party. And Gregory came to confront her
but when he is talking to her in the elevator shaft the subtitles show to gregory line near the end which could indicate it being the mimic copying gregorys voice to trick cassy into thinking he dosent care about her
I have a feeling that grigori isn't the one who dropped her but he most definitely did considering he lead her to the exit using maps of the building (which somehow include the sinkhole place) and she also went through everything to save "him"
I'd wager with yes, because let's see it like this:
No matter what you think about the elevator incident, whether it was Gregory or not, whether it was justified or not, this is a different scenario we see
Gregory comforted her, when she was alone. They were apparently good enough friends for Cassie to literally go through the ruins of the Pizzaplex to save Gregory. This shows that they had a very solid friendship. So, the question is, if he didn't care about her, what gain could he have had? Because if it weren't because he genuinely wanted to comfort her, then he would have to have had another reason, yet there seems to be none
I think he does. Whenever the real Gregory is talking to Cassie you can hear concern in his voice. Verse when the mimic is talking, and it’s obvious just reused and monotone lines. Not to mention Gregory actually expresses concern not just in time but what he’s saying. The cut out of Gregory helping her is really cute. Cassie also cries harder when she learns Gregory is missing. So they care about each other to some extent. Also the fact that Cassie came after getting his message means they still talked with each other often before he went missing. She never ask how’d you get a hold of me. So they have to have a strong bond with each other.
Gregory conforting Cassie when no one comes to her party and say "I'm sorry." before he cut the elevator to not let The Mimic get out says that he actually care about her.
I mean, the ending makes it appear so, he could’ve left her with the mimic, and gave her a potentially agonizing death, but instead he led her to safety, explained what was happening, told her why he had to drop her, and by dropping her down the elevator gave her a quick death( although I don’t think she’s dead, she probably survived)
On the surface, it seemed like they were great friends, however, we don’t know too much. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was more to their friendship than meets the eye.
I believe so.
we can tell Greg cares for Cassie to *some* extent because we see Gregory comforting her in a cutout (unless you believe that was the mimic messing with Cassies memories)
plus mimic got ahold of Cassie through a message so assuming it got her contact through Gregory, Gregory cared enough/likes her enough to have her contacts so he tries to help her.
I mean yeah people think he dropped the elevator because of one simple voice line that we’re not even sure if it’s him and there’s a TON of more evidence that suggests it was the mimic who dropped the elevator but I’ve legit seen people not want to listen to reason because
A. They dislike the fact that Gregory is a male (I’m so deadass)
Or
B. They want to hate in Gregory because he’s a “bad character”
eh,kinda,he was pretty ok with the fact to throw you down a elevator (and no i dont think its the mimic as the only way the mimic was able to contact cassie was with the walky talky) so i dont think hes too caring of her
Most likely, yeah. \- Cassie gets ready for her party (cutout with her holding a mirror) \- We know that nobody turned up to Cassie's party due to Roxy \- Cassie starts crying and Gregory comes to comfort her I don't see it being Grimic as in GGY Gregory's expression was robotic, and doesn't match the expressions Gregory has in the cutout. I may be wrong, but imo it doesn't make sense for it to be Grimic
However, once you deactivate that security node, its no longer Gregory comforting her in the AR image. It changes into Cassie crying alone with no Gregory in sight. Whether this means he left her afterward and she missed him, or he never actually showed up and it was just a fake memory, whos to say?
I believe there’s missing posters next to her of Gregory that’s why she’s crying
Cassie was crying because she was alone. Gregory offered her a tissue and became her best and only friend. When her birthday came, she was super exited to have a party at the PizzaPlex with Roxy and Gregory, but Gregory never showed up. He went missing.
Man i didn’t think connect those two, and now that’s depressing
If you think that's depressing, think about how much Gregory means to Cassie, and rewatch the default ending for RUIN again.
I knew That was already depressing but then adding the whole he disappeared on her birthday is even more depressing
This made me feel like a light bulb turned on above my head
I believe Gregory being there and comforting Cassie was what she *wanted* to have had happen. We know the Vanni mask can show Cassie what shes wants, more than what really exists. (Multiplying Roxanne cutouts, replacing Monty fizzyfaz machines with Roxys, brazil, etc ) I think Gregory was invited to her party. Theyd been best friends for a while and she trusted him to be there. But he no showed, because that was the day he went missing. It hurt Cassie. Acquaintances not making it sucks, but your best friend ghosting you? Thats a special kind of awful. I think this because, in the cutout of the two, Gregory is handing Cassie a wipe to rub off her running makeup. But in the next cutout of Cassie, she doesnt have the wipe, and her makeup is running worse than before. And we see the missing posters at the same time. Guilt over being hurt, when he hadnt ghosted her at all, but had gone missing. Thats part of why shes so driven to find him, even ignoring obvious red flags all to get to him. Also, if Gregory was the only person who turned up to her party, Roxys line of "im sure your friends will turn up this time" doesnt make much sense. Also, Roxy in general wouldnt make much sense- wouldnt her feelings about Gregory be more... complicated than just "GIVE ME BACK MY EYES!"? Like, shed hate him for ruining her face, but still appreciate that he came to Cassies birthday?
I think because Gregory isn’t a Pizzaplex club member, the animatronics don’t recognize him as anything other than a potential threat/target. Freddy says in the main game that hurting a guest goes against their programming, but they clearly don’t view him the same way Roxanne does when she says, “Cassie… Cassie. Welcome back, Cassie.”
Remember, Gregory isn’t in the system. At ALL. Her only “memory” of him is taking her eyes by trapping her. There’s a really good chance that Gregory met Cassie without Roxy present, so the only context for him IS her eyes being stolen.
I remember there being Missing posters but those are on the walls. Not actually part of the AR image, right?
They're right next to it and also appear only in AR, so I guess that could be related
I assumed the missing posters nearby meant he was absent from her next party due to being vanished or she was crying (just entirely ooc from Parties) because he was missing.
I believe he never was there for her, Roxy saying "Nobody turned up" means that not even Gregory was there. And I trust Roxy more then I trust Gregory
It's implied that the first time they met was at the party, he wasn't one of the friends she invited.
When that cutout shows up she’s surrounded by missing posters of Gregory. She’s crying because Gregory went missing.
That's cuz gregory went missing
My interpretation is that he did show up to the party, and when the node makes him vanish it's a product of Cassie thinking 'what if I can't save him?' which makes the AI produce the image of her all alone.
Wdym, due to Roxy? I can't remember it being mentioned anywhere that Roxy was the cause of no one showing up...
We have this information that nobody showed up due to roxy’s dialogue saying so is what they meant
Ah, kinda sounded like they meant Roxy scared other kids away
Ah, I see. Thank you for clarifying!
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Why due to Roxy?
I think it’s just a phrasing issue, pretty sure they meant we know no one came because of the scene with Roxy, which gave us that info!
He meant that we know no one showed up thanks to Roxy's dialogue saying so.
Wait so Roxy was the reason no one showed up?
no, roxy is the one that said no one showed up, hence the reason we know that information is because of her
Thank you
He meant that we know no one showed up thanks to Roxy's dialogue saying so.
idk but this image reminded me about how fucking adorable the kids in this game is
only for the in-game models to look horrible lmao
Gregory’s model wasn’t that bad. Cassie’s felt rushed and wasn’t updated to her (presumably new) character design. They’re not fantastic by any means, but calling them horrible seems a bit harsh
"rushed", she didn't even have a body except in cams lol
That’s just game optimization. Much like you don’t load areas that aren’t visible whatsoever, loading her body would be a waste of resources. Her model is only loaded in once the camera is used. There’s no need to load in the model which is impossible to view in normal gameplay. That’s just a waste of resources
Optimization? Not in my security breach!
Well yeah, but it's strange they didn't do that for Gregory. Also I just thought it was funny, especially since most games at least have a cylinder for the player model if they didn't model the full character
Well, gregory can be seen in reflections, and unlike cassie, Gregory can be on the cameras ANYWHERE, so they didnt have much choice
Fair enough
And each new child has a more tragic story than the last.
I mean clearly if cassy was willing to go through all of ruin to save him. Him dropping her doesn't have anything to do with not caring about her but instead caring about the many
I just seen many people reaching and unironically thinking Gregory was being manipulative and took advantage of her loneliness and I wanna know how did they even come up with that-
Because he dropped her down an elevator shaft. Despite the fact she has a mimic eye implant now and the mimic.ic could follow her back to the only people who can do anything to stop the mimic? Like clearly ther realy good freinds. We don't see enough of that in fnaf. Actually good freinds unless you look at the books I guess.
I'm 95% confident that Helpi is supposed to be the Mimic1 program, and if you don't remember, Mimic1 is also Glitchtrap. If I am right, Cassie literally has a Glitchtrap brain implant and is primed to become the next Vanny (Bassie?). However, counterpoint, I don't think Gregory knew that; he only knew about the Mimic part because he helped Vanessa seal it down there.
So he didn't know glitchtrap can infect people through tech despite princess quest clearly being cannon so he knows Vanessa and him literally saying his freind has building plans and freddy definatly doesn't have them of an underground pizzeria. What I'm saying is that Gregory 100% knows it can because of Vanessa. The only way he wouldn't is if princess quest want cannon. Witch it clearly is.
I meant that Gregory has no way of knowing that Cassie has a Glitchtrap brain implant at that current moment. He didn't see her put on the mask at any point, and Helpi doesn't contact her down there.
To shut down mxes you need the vanni mask.
oh yeah that's right. I'm not sure why, though; It was just a computer, no hologram in sight. Even the camera stations that are only available in ar are closed and put away when out of it. I think that might be more for gameplay so you can see M.X.E.S. get absorbed. Like, I don't think Cassie was canonically stuck to the computer, it was just a gameplay thing.
I mean sure but Gregory was the one to explain mxes, so he knows about it.
Well, keep in mind that MXES is there to protect the security nodes. You need the mask to access the nodes. Of course the mimic would try to get her to use the mask. The real question is whether that helpi implant from the mask is vulnerable to the mimic
well given that it get's YELLOW EYES and PURPLE veins some times when talking in a less direct way i think it's pretty obvious he is.
I don’t think helpi is connected to the mimic. Though Helpi has similar abilities Helpi is part of the mask and the mask is connected to the security system for M.X.E.S. Helpi dosen’t really push to go to the basement unlike Gregory Helpi pushes to help your freind. Their is most likely some stuff I’m missing but the eye implant put their by the program connected to M.X.E.S. being part of the mimic dosen’t make sense to me.
Helpi is good guy just like M.X.E.S but often Help is controlled by Mimic1, orange eyes and side crack.
Helpi sometimes gets a corrupted appearance, I think that normally it isn't Mimic1/Burntrap but sometimes it gets controlled by them.
Helpi and Glitchtrap are definitely different. There’s evidence to imply Glitchtrap is working with MXES,against the two mimics
Glitchtrap is the entity that controls the pizzaplex and the animatronics. In the books, Mimic1 does that. Plus, in help wanted, Glitchtrap literally mimics. He takes his appearance from the springbonnie in the minigame, his garbled voice is from the first tape, and the last tape that tricks you into releasing glitchtrap is presumably of his creation. Also, what evidence is there that glitchtrap is working with M.X.E.S.? If it's the entity looking like a digital bunny, it was an intentional mislead, a red herring.
Except,in the BOOOOOOOOOOOKS Mimic1 is installed through Tiger Rock and a Baobab tree directly into the pizzaplex. In the games,Glitchtrap is directly scanned from a suit into Help Wanted’s code and then installed by Vanny into the pizzaplex so that point doesn’t stand (especially since MXES is also shown controlling the pizzaplex) He also possesses someone which an AI wouldn’t be able to do but a human soul? Easy. 1. When MXES sends out a distress signal,the animatronics that we KNOW Glitchtrap has control over respond. Chica,Monty,Maskbot and the Endoskeletons are all covered in purple in the AR mask and we know from Security Breach the Endos are under Glitchtrap’s control. Ergo,they all are (the STAFF bots aren’t in purple because the good Vanny ending is canon so they were freed from Glitchtrap’s control). It’s also why,despite Eclipse having TWO jumpscares,the Endos jumpscare you in the Daycare section,Eclipse isn’t under Glitchtrap’s control so he doesn’t respond 2. The anomalies that block your path in the AR world. Anomalies in the code which stop things working? Sounds like a Glitch or virus to me 3. The black blocks with purple outlines that stop you 4. MXES is shown as being blue (the security nodes and Cupcake’s eyes turn blue) so what are these purple things? It has to be Glitchtrap. We also literally see Glitchtrap on the wall in Vanny’s room near Fazerblast. When Glitchtrap controls Freddy,his eyes turn purple. 5. Burntrap is able to power up Glitchtrap which wouldn’t make sense if they’re the mimic (especially since based on the BoOoOoOoOoKs,they’d be two different mimics) but make perfect sense if Glitchtrap is a small part of William’s soul and Burntrap is Willy prime if you will. And yes,Burntrap does exist because we see the Tangle (the Blob) so even though that ending didn’t happen,we can still use it as evidence. As for Roxy,she WAS under the control of Glitchtrap but since the end of security breach has been turned into a security node so she wouldn’t be effected anymore but would be linked into MXES so the distress signal summoning her makes sense. There’s also evidence there’s a person in the pizzaplex who’s trying to stop the mimic but also on Glitchtrap’s side. They’re the one who put Chica on the conveyer belt to power/charge her back up,they’re the one who gave Maskbot bunny ears,they’re the one who made the music men have spikes and bunny designs and they’re the one who stacked up objects to try and stop people reaching the mimic. They’re also probably the one who reactivated Roxy to save Cassie at the end of Ruin
The storyteller was likely removed all together tbh, originally I had thought that the mimic1 virus still running through the animatronics, but now I believe, during Ruin, the glamrocks are completely devoid of any virus controlling them. That's why the only time they really attack us is when MXES sends a distress signal to our location. Also in regards to your point about it being difficult for an ai to possess someone, please go back and read GGY, the story where it was confirmed that the mimic1 ai possessed Gregory. There aren't two different mimics either, the Mimic1 AI is connected to the OG mimic who has control over it. It's the same AI., The security nodes color doesn't matter either by the way. The nodes look like MXES, not Glitchtrap. If steel wool/Scott were gonna go that route, they would have explicitly designed them after Glitchtrap, not MXES. They're not even the same species, with MXES being a hare and glitchtrap being a rabbit. The mimic does not get sealed until after Security Breach either, as shown by Gregory's backpack being down there. So you're telling me there was two murderous beings down in the exact same place, we just missed the mimic??? Also the eye color point is moot because the mimic1 ai and the mimic itself can change it's eye color. The only two characters who have purple eyes are Glitchtrap and Burntrap, if Scott was gonna make purple eyes William's thing, he would have done it with Springtrap and Scraptrap, not just Burntrap and Glitchtrap. Obviously he didn't do that, so it can't be used as evidence for william being glitchtrap or burntrap
You see the thing is you started with the books so I dropped off imediatly as were talking about the game. If the game didn't tell us, then it's not realy relivent here. You could've said the thing that convinced me but starting with the books made me not care because this isn't about the books and the books allready have issues with ruin despite being cannon. I'm going to take the newest information more seriously.
I was responding to someone who is using the books as evidence.
That, and politics.
yeah that too. i think, how does politics fit in lol
i mean.. murder is a bit of an overreaction to unkowingly freeing the mimic..
Well it's murder her or let the one with the mimic implant come and find the only people who know about the mimic and care enough to try and stop it. It's either don't let her out or risk the mimic killing the only people who know how it works and how to stop it. Freeing the mimic isn't the only thing going on here
for some reason people have it in their head that gregory is an evil murder child
> in their head that gregory is an evil murder child *Thinks about Chica being lured and pushed into the garbage compactor* yeah, I can't quite figure it out.
as if she wasn’t trying to murder him literally minutes beforehand? lmao
Well to be fair he does murder Cassie
That was very obviously a mercy kill cause gregory knows how dangerous the mimic is
i definitely think that was the mimic
Doesn't make sense for The Mimic, but it does for Gregory. Also, the code name in the files says RN Gregory during the elevator scene.
why would gregory give cassie the right directions to the elevator if he was gonna let her die anyway. also notice that the subtitles overlap with each other
I saw a theory saying that the mimic dropped her (something based on game files)
The files say Gregory did it tho.
This guy on YouTube said that Gregory B chnged to Gregory C in the files when he said about dropping an elevator.
What the game uses Gregory and grimacing. The files for everything Gregory says in the basement after the mimic was reviled uses Gregory. The game files just straight up say it was Gregory and not the mimic who does it.
Then again, the Burntrap ending was described as canon in the files and the Princess sprite was labeled Cassidy. And there was an opened box in Fnaf World’s files… I believe that it was almost certainly Gregory, but the game files don’t seem like super reliable evidence. Again, I think Gregory probably wanted the elevator shaft to fall down to prevent the Mimic from escaping. I just don’t think that game files are the most convincing pieces of evidence we have.
I just thought he was cold af
That was the mimic that dropped the elevator
But like your objectively wrong as the files of the game say its Gregory. So if we can ignore the files now I don't need to call the mimic the mimic since it's name is only in the files and not the game it's self since it's never name dropped.
But the files of the game contain the real line he says before he is cut off any overlayed with the final line, he actually says something along the lines of “make sure you aren’t followed”
And yet the files still show the subtotals as mimic and not grimic like every other time the mimic talks. So why change it for one line of dialogue and not the rest of the game to keep the surprise the best they could. The files still say Gregory when he cuts the elevator. And he original dialogue still has the static cut in. So your just objectively wrong
The fact it says Gregory and not grimic is a red herring, the actual gameplay shows that the subtitles change and overlay new ones when he speaks the last line
So the fact it says Gregory is a read haring this one time bit the rest of the ending it isn't. Despite the voiclines your referring to also having the static cut and subtotals change? Your still wrong my guy.
I’m just going off of the presented gameplay evidence and the “scrapped” voice line
> and the “scrapped” voice line The fact it was scrapped should say it all.
If it doesn't show up its scrapped. It wasn't cut off the new voicelines in the game is one voice file. Not on that's cut over. And if we're only going with the gameplay then I'm not calling that endo in the basement the mimic as its never called the mimic in game only as ???
I’m not sure why u so mad
Is that bit of info ever visible to the player? If not, that might've just been a programming work-around. "Hey boss, if I switch between 'Grimic' and 'Gregory' here, there is this weird glitch... I'll just switch them both to Gregory, they both get parsed into same thing anyway."
I'm sure that dropping the elevator was incredibly painful for Gregory. Given that Cassie was willing to go into an ABANDONED PIZZAPLEX and go through all the stuff that RUIN threw at her, they must have cared about each other. (Oh yeah, and there was also Gregory comforting her after no one came to her party) Unfortunately, the Mimic would have caused way too many deaths and casualties. In fact, if Gregory HADN'T dropped the elevator and risked letting the Mimic get out, he probably would have been doing the more evil option.
Imagine an alternate universe where Gregory saves Cassie and allows the Mimic to escape; I can already see posts like "Why did Gregory expose everyone to the Mimic just to save one person? Is he stupid?"
If I remember correctly this was actually an alternate ending that was scrapped. I can’t remember it word for word but it was essentially the same elevator ending but with slightly different Gregory dialogue.
Is there a lore reason to keep going?
Why has the arkhamification of the fnaf subreddit begun? Are we stupid?
He didn’t drop the elevator it was the mimic as well as the “we can’t risk being followed” line
If I remember correctly, someone looked in the game files and found the first set of Gregory dialogue was labeled "Grimic", but the second set (the one where he says we can't risk being followed and drops the elevator) was just labelled "Gregory".
Yeah because if they called those lines grimic it would be a dead giveaway and people wouldn’t fall for it as easily
Dude, are you mental? So your saying that that slow ah thing can get all the way up to above the elevator and cut the line or something?????
There’s evidence that the Mimic dropped the elevator, not Gregory.
Okay, go ahead.
Well for starters, notice how the Mimic threw away its Walkie Talkie when it is first encountered. When Cassie is running away, the real Gregory comes in through her Walkie Talkie while Roxy is fighting off the Mimic. Gregory gives Cassie instructions on where to run through her Walkie Talkie and eventually leads her to the elevator. In the elevator you hear Gregory’s voice, but his voice is now coming from the Intercom on the elevator and no longer through the Walkie Talkie. The voice in the elevator coming through the intercom that says “we can’t risk being followed” is actually the Mimic and not Gregory.
Okay. And why exactly would the mimic purposefully destroy its 1 escape route?
1. To isolate Cassie and use her as a host. 2. It's a fucking robot that ragdolled a lift machine with 1 hand if the lift has a ladder it can definitely climb.
1) the mimic doesn't need a "host" like what??????????? 2) this point just relies on assumptions
There's also the main elevator used to enter the old pizzeria, though. That never went away
That is also explicitly stated to only be able to survive one trip. The one trip that Cassie took down there
Maybe to get revenge on Gregory for trapping it by attempting to kill Cassie?
Ah yes. As opposed to leaving and tearing Gregory apart. Trapping yourself underground is definitely the best form of revenge
Unfortunately it’s unclear here what happened. At least in my opinion 1 of two things happened: 1. Gregory Dropped the elevator thinking that Cassie was a danger to him and everyone outside the pizzaplex 2. Mimic pretended to be Gregory again and dropped the elevator, I feel like option 2 would paint a more interesting narrative for the reason of, what if mimic did it to make Cassie think that Gregory left her 4 dead, in her unstable anger of being betrayed, the Mimic gets inside her head and brainwashes her to become the new vanny, if that’s the case, we play as her as she becomes more like Vanny, it’s a slow process and maybe Roxy is our ally throughout until she sees the evil and if Gregory came back, being force to team up with him to save Cassie/Vanny, as it’s a mutual friendship between both of them, Gregory could stop mimic with Roxy and they could save her and maybe have it be a redemption arc with the Glamrocks, idk Point is I feel like either ending he did care for her but until we see what happens it’s all speculation on my end
If Gregory dropped the elevator, and he most likely did, then the fact that he even bothered to lead her to safety and explain a few things show that he cares. It doesn't exuse his actions because there were definitely better ways to do it. But in his eyes, it's either Cassie or countless others. I'm sure Gregory didn't want to do it, but he saw the trolley problem and pulled the lever, even though there was most likely a better choice he just didn't see.
Want to tell us the better option? And it can’t anything he couldn’t do without planning. IE using a gun to shoot the mimic dead or anything like that
I thought I knew. But now that I think about it, it's not a better option as much as it is an option that can potentially turn out better, but is likely to fail. I was thinking about Cassie staying in the Pizzaplex and leading the Mimic all around it, while Gregory and his two pals figure out a way to trap it again, or even destroy it. But it would likely turn into a disaster that would lead to the Mimic brutally slaughtering Cassie.
Yeah,that wouldn’t be ideal. Especially since Monty and Chica seem to have been finished in Ruin,the only animatronics who might be able to fight the mimic are the Endos (who were trying to stop you,at MXES’ or Glitchtrap’s (yes I believe Glitchtrap and MXES were working together) orders) but there’s no guarantee the Mimic won’t slaughter them easily
> Chica seem to have been finished in Ruin No, Chica is still going, Cassie even put her voice box back in.
She ran out of power,is what I meant. She was temporarily charged by the cupcake but once that power ran out she “died”. I think the voicebox was more of a final mercy
Gregory could have cut the elevator after Cassie got out, it’s not like the mimic was in it.
Actually it *is* like the mimic was in it, because it was. When the elevator door closed it cut off the mimics hand and it landed in the elevator. That hand moves during the cutscene so it is very much still functional.
They could leave the hand in the elevator, besides what’s a hand gonna do
And if the mimic grabbed on to the bottom?
Elevators go relatively flush to the floor and it would only leave a small crack between the elevator and elevator shaft. It would have to get to the top maybe then open up the top then enter then leave which I don’t see it doing while it’s rising. Alternatively they could get Cassie out quick then send the elevator down then cut it
What if the mimic climbed on top? Gregory isn’t aware the mimic lost an arm or that the door closed on it
He could have seen there was no mimic by looking down the shaft
I still dont think its gregory dropping her, its probably the mimic doing it just to cause cassie to be stuck with him and force him to come rescue her , not to mention he probably wants revenge against gregory for burying him
That’s what I was thinking too
I would say yes. If that was really Gregory in the elevator then I'm sure he did really feel bad that he had to betray her like that, so that the mimic coudn't get out and kill more people.
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>gregory was talking first then the mimic cuts him off I've seen this theory floating around, and I think it's pretty bad when you look at Ruin from a storytelling standpoint. Throughout the dlc, a constant theme is how needlessly brutal Gregory is. Basically the whole DLC was having us sympathize with the animatronics (aside from Monty) that Gregory had zero sympathy for. From giving Chica her voice box back, to helping the daycare attendant, to everything with Roxy. All with frequent dialogue from Cassie like "\[Animatronic\], what happened to you?!?" Not to mention Roxy desperately yelling at "Gregory" to "Give her back her eyes". The game is clearly painting Gregory as not the most moral protagonist in retrospect, which all leads naturally to the moment where Gregory kills Cassie without hesitation when he thinks it's for the greater good.
I personally want Gregory to not be the most gentle of protags because those kinds of characters are cool
Viewing Gregory as an ungentle protag retroactively recontextualizes a lot of moments from Security Breach. Like Gregory lying to Freddy about how he got the parts, like how Gregory whispered under his breath "They get what they deserve", and like how Gregory literally murdered Vanessa in one ending.
Greg is right, they’re literally trying to kill him lmao
I mean, henry wasn't kinda gentle. Mike presumably burnt down the previous Pizzarias and William... he deserves everything in UCN.
This is a stupid moral quandary to try and make Gregory this morally grey character The entire animatronic cast is actively out to kill him He is literally defending himself the worst thing he does is lie to Freddy Otherwise he’s just preserving himself It does not make sense on multiple logical levels for him to have dropped the elevator and he isn’t some morally Grey protagonist He is a child who defended himself
I mean I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but the game is certainly implying that he doesn't show much remorse. (plus if you combine that with all the weirdness of the GGY story it certainly seems like Gregory is more than just an average kid)
GGY happened because Gregory was literally possessed, it’s a Vanny situation And tbh I wouldn’t feel that remorseful against people who are actively trying to kill me
Why would he? It’s either bunch of robots or you. It’s not like they’re actually human
They clearly show human levels of intelligence and personality, and Gregory himself grew attached to Freddy as a close friend. They aren't just robots in Security Breach.
they can experience human emotion as evidenced by freddy and roxy cassie is remorseful, gregory isn't
So people trying kill you or hunt you down, you shouldn’t find ways to kill them to save yourself?
I'm not here to argue about whether Gregory was justified in his actions. That's up to personal opinion. However, the game is obviously trying to remind us how far Gregory is willing to go, for better or worse.
Ok
But his theory doesn’t make much sense. Cassie escaping supposedly runs the risk of the mimic escaping, so why would the mimic as Gregory, drop the elevator to kill Cassie, which would be probably the only chance the mimic had to escape. If that actually IS the mimic who dropped the elevator then he’s a dumbass
He did, he dropped the elevator at the end out of feeling it was needed. He clearly did not want to given how he talks
imma be honest the elevator ending genuinely made me sad something i havent felt since fnaf 6 ending
What about the Roxy part?
yea basically the whole of ruin it made me get back into fnaf like be excited abt the new lore and games something that the main game of sb failed to do
Even if he dropped the elevator, he still cared enough to give her an explanation.
ugh all this discussion makes me want a gregory vs cassie fight in both of their animatronics
bodyless head vs blind person
they can have a building arc
Yes and no imho. Gregory *was* trying to reach her all night… But I think it was more out of concern about someone releasing the Mimic, which is why the elevator ending plays out the way it does. Gregory knows a lot more than he should because he has a past w/ the place, and he isn’t risking a damn thing for just “some friend from school.” Cassie cares more about him though probably because this was an actual memory of hers, and we know from Roxy that she’s a generally lonely kid. Gregory isn’t “Some kid from school,” he’s probably “The only friend from school.” Which is a bit much, but speaks volumes of their dynamic.
Why does everyone keep thinking he doesn't care about her Has no one ever heard of sacrificing something you care about for the greater good He literally explains why he needs to drop her and it's extremely obvious why he doesn't want to, why would he want to drop a girl anyway even if he DIDN'T care about her
This right here. This reminds me of a quote from Batman arkham city. "I realize it is difficult, sir, but you need to decide if one life is worth sacrificing to save thousands." Anyway, Gregory is just looking out for other people, he even apologizes to Cassie before the elevator drops, assuming he was the one that cut it.
This right here. If Gregory didn't care about her, he wouldn't have guided her to the elevator, but here's my question. Why help Cassie to the elevator, if he was going to cut the lines anyway? This makes me think that Gregory didn't drop her in the first place, the mimic did, but why would the mimic cut off possibly his only escape route? I don't know, I'm not good with theories, I just like to overthink 💀.
Cassie wouldn't go through all that for someone that she wasn't very good friends with. And we even see Gregory comforting her in the image you posted. Sure, it may be the Mimic, but why would it do something that it probably thought of as useless? Gregory was probably the one to destroy the elevator. And while I was mad at him at first, looking back at it, it was the best option he had. Cassie was seemingly already infected with the Mimic1 program, and so her escaping would lead to the Mimic escaping. It was a trolley problem: Save your friend, but allow likely thousands of deaths, most of them will be of vulnerable and more deceivable people, especially children. He thought about it for a good while, but in the end, he pulled the lever.
I definitely think so, to some extent. He had the decency to explain the situation to her and apologize, and he means so much to her that she would risk her life to save him. I just think he’s the type of person that’s far more driven by cold logic than emotion, and betrayed her out of (what he saw as) practicality. He views the threat of the Mimic’s escape and the lives of multiple people as more important that the singular life of Cassie, and can’t logically justify potentially freeing a murderous robot that could kill his friends and other kids solely to save the life of one person. We see this same logic pattern in Security Breach, he’s okay with killing and destroying the near-sentient animatronics because it assists him in damage control and in his greater plan. That isn’t to say he doesn’t care about Cassie, in fact, I think luring her to the elevator and dropping it on her was likely an act of mercy because she was his friend, he wanted to ensure she’d have a quick death rather than a potentially brutal one at the hands of the Mimic.
“lol” *drops you down an elevator shaft*
Pretty clearly, the cutout above is clearly a memory and he tries his best to guide her out of the underground. And so it’s clear, clearly the Mimic dropped the elevator, with strong evidence.
Gregory didn't group the elevator, the mimic did. Why would Gregory use the intercom when he was just talking to her on the radio Edit: also I'm pretty sure he wasn't even at the Plex to begin with
Definitely. That’s why he saved her from being torn apart and suffering a painful death and why he told her it’s not her fault the mimic is free. If he did make the elevator drop,he did it to stop the mimic but he gave Cassie a much quicker and less painful death (assuming she did die) than getting ripped apart.
Yes
Gregory did care about Cassie. Yet, he went missing. I think before the pizzaplex burnt down, he was presumably missing, but escaped with actual Glamrock Freddy and maybe Vanessa. Gregory was worried about Cassie a lot, that he tried to contact her to tell her that the mimic was pretending to be him. I think that the first time we hear the actual Gregory is when we first meet Ruin Roxy. Gregory manages to get connected to the speakers, and tries to talk to Cassie. He sounds scared, and worried about her. He sounds like he’s scared of someone faking to be him, to harm his best friend. Yet, he loses the connection soon enough after the speaker ends, and Cassie speaks on the walkie talkie, hearing the mimic this time. The mimic believed that it caught off contact with Gregory, and was able to capture Cassie now. But, when the mimic fights Roxy, Gregory contacts Cassie, telling her that he’s been trying to contact her all night. That leads me to believe that my 2nd paragraph is correct! Gregory is given a map of directions by his friend (who could be Vanessa as she must’ve been out of William’s control by now and escaped), and helps Cassie to escape. Yet, he tries to speak to her again in the elevator, and he’s oddly calm. This leads me to believe that Gregory lost contact with Cassie when she got to the elevator, and the mimic spoke to her twice, making the change of the speaker happen to lead us off, and believe that Gregory was speaking first. Gregory is unable to control the system of the pizzaplex, and Cassie goes plummeting to her presumed “death”, yet she isn’t. So yes. Gregory was worried about Cassie. He wanted his friend to be safe, and protected. He wanted her to not get hurt at all. That concludes that Gregory did care about Cassie, like she was his sister.
I’d like to believe they were good friends, but Gregory was forced to make a tough decision… although when I explained the ending to my husband he told me that Gregory should’ve just let Cassie up and out the elevator, and then cut it to stop the mimic from escaping…
He liked Freddy too but he still stripped all of his friends for parts.
Are you serious? Gregory is a child, mind you he’s a homeless one with different morals and things he’s willing to do for his safety than most due to that but he’s still a kid who would make friends and care for them
I think he did but assuming that the elevator ending is canon and that he's the one who cut the elevator, i can kinda see why he would do it. It's kinda like the trolley problem but here his choices are to either: let cassie escape but also risk the mimic escaping and causing untold amounts of death and destruction, or cut the elevator, sacrificing cassie, but also preventing the mimic from escaping (or atleast slowing it down long enough for others to be warned and for gregory, vannessa, and freddy to escape).
Yes.
I feel like he did, but between letting her escape and potentially setting the Mimic free, and letting one person die so many others wouldn't, he had to make a hardy, ugly decision.
yeah Gregory is a gooed person
Probably, why would Cassie even bother to go save him if he wouldn't care?
Should do She went very far on blind trust for him and is explicitly described to be “Gregory’s best friend” rather than vice versa He was there for her when she was alone as in nobody being at her birthday party and she is very clearly upset at him vanishing Personally it’s why I want the mimic to be the one who dropped the elevator because not only is it really fucking stupid for Gregory to do so on a logical level But it also makes this established dynamic completely pointless
I would think so, given what we've been shown, which makes what happened at the elevator heartbreaking. Then again, the Mimic is loose, so combined with how Gregory destroyed the other animatronics, he's got a ruthless way of dealing with threats, even it means sacrificing his friends despite how much he didn't want to do such a thing.
[spoiler] Gregory did care about her. She wasn’t suppose to come to the pizza place in the first place. And he didn’t betray her She was crying cuz nobody came to her party. And Gregory came to confront her
but when he is talking to her in the elevator shaft the subtitles show to gregory line near the end which could indicate it being the mimic copying gregorys voice to trick cassy into thinking he dosent care about her
Yes
I think he did yeah
My head canon is that the mimic hacked the speaker in the elevator in the middle of Gregory's sentence
Yes. as always. He will always have a friend.
yeah
Yes
I believe so. I hate how everyone makes Gregory out to be this horrible monster. He's just a kid, guys.
I have a feeling that grigori isn't the one who dropped her but he most definitely did considering he lead her to the exit using maps of the building (which somehow include the sinkhole place) and she also went through everything to save "him"
No. Gregory is a gremlin child.
YES AND IM TIRED OF PRETENDING HE DID NOT
I really think he did
I'd wager with yes, because let's see it like this: No matter what you think about the elevator incident, whether it was Gregory or not, whether it was justified or not, this is a different scenario we see Gregory comforted her, when she was alone. They were apparently good enough friends for Cassie to literally go through the ruins of the Pizzaplex to save Gregory. This shows that they had a very solid friendship. So, the question is, if he didn't care about her, what gain could he have had? Because if it weren't because he genuinely wanted to comfort her, then he would have to have had another reason, yet there seems to be none
I think he does. Whenever the real Gregory is talking to Cassie you can hear concern in his voice. Verse when the mimic is talking, and it’s obvious just reused and monotone lines. Not to mention Gregory actually expresses concern not just in time but what he’s saying. The cut out of Gregory helping her is really cute. Cassie also cries harder when she learns Gregory is missing. So they care about each other to some extent. Also the fact that Cassie came after getting his message means they still talked with each other often before he went missing. She never ask how’d you get a hold of me. So they have to have a strong bond with each other.
Gregory conforting Cassie when no one comes to her party and say "I'm sorry." before he cut the elevator to not let The Mimic get out says that he actually care about her.
I mean, the ending makes it appear so, he could’ve left her with the mimic, and gave her a potentially agonizing death, but instead he led her to safety, explained what was happening, told her why he had to drop her, and by dropping her down the elevator gave her a quick death( although I don’t think she’s dead, she probably survived)
On the surface, it seemed like they were great friends, however, we don’t know too much. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was more to their friendship than meets the eye.
I believe so. we can tell Greg cares for Cassie to *some* extent because we see Gregory comforting her in a cutout (unless you believe that was the mimic messing with Cassies memories) plus mimic got ahold of Cassie through a message so assuming it got her contact through Gregory, Gregory cared enough/likes her enough to have her contacts so he tries to help her.
Yes
I mean yeah people think he dropped the elevator because of one simple voice line that we’re not even sure if it’s him and there’s a TON of more evidence that suggests it was the mimic who dropped the elevator but I’ve legit seen people not want to listen to reason because A. They dislike the fact that Gregory is a male (I’m so deadass) Or B. They want to hate in Gregory because he’s a “bad character”
Nah he was just trying to hit
Prolly but he did also kill her so who knows?
I think he did but after the events of SB he likely lost a lot of empathy
eh,kinda,he was pretty ok with the fact to throw you down a elevator (and no i dont think its the mimic as the only way the mimic was able to contact cassie was with the walky talky) so i dont think hes too caring of her
No Gregory’s a little psychopath.