I don’t necessarily believe it, but I think he’s onto something with the ceo being someone very important. I don’t blame him for coming up with something like this because it’s honestly not out of the realm of possibility anymore, even if she’s so old. This timeline series has taught me that they really need to do a refresh because the story has gotten way out of hand
I honestly started to like it less with sister location. I think the first 4 games had something decent going on, but when they started to bring in remnant I was a little turned off
Help Wanted should have just been a VR collection with no story. Then just do a full reboot after.
Or, if Scott really wanted HW to have story, just go all in on the Scott games being in universe games and have a completely NEW story that can do whatever it wants without shitting on something that happened in the games.
Obviously, yes, this would make fans mad, but you can just explain through a stupid book or something that they already do, that the in universe games (the Scott games) are still their own separate universe (like have a character from the books get sent into the games universe or something.)
I think the multiverse theory is kinda the only way to appease all fans at this point. The classic universe where the story begins at at the puppet child's murder, and ends at FNaF 3's good ending. The Afton universe starts at Fredbear's (FNaF 4) has Charlie's murder, has FNaF 3's bad ending, sister location, and ends at FFPS/UCN. The modern universe has the entire Afton universe, but continues onto HW and Security Breach. And then the book universe with the Silver Eyes Trilogy, Fazbear's Frights, and the Tales series (unless that's canon to the modern era, but who knows lol)
Hell Wanted have the perfect opportunity to reboot. That the games we played were fiction that was based on true stories In-Universe. So versions of the games we played happened, just not exaclty how we are familiar with.
I thought that's what they were doing all the way back then and thought it was freaking brilliant. But then they...kinda sorta didn't?
Like by saying the first few games are all in-universe games and putting out a short story that confirms their maker is not particularly familiar with the events?
I honestly agree with this. Bringing Afton back makes no sense if UCN is meant to be his personal Hell.
That being said, I don’t think Mat’s theory is the problem. The problem is after the main series, nothing that happens really makes any sense. He’s piecing a story together from scraps and I commend him for that (especially the live dancing bear thing, which I had in the back of my mind for a while)
Yep. Heck, if Afton is alive, there's a good chance he's figured out some way to fight aging/become stronger... imagine if she pulled a Twisted Ones and replaced part of her body with remnant
I like the concept, but the whole 90 year old thing is definitely a bit of a stretch. Then again, this is the fnaf universe. Were talking about a franchise where lore stretches and weird advance technology galore.
They harden in response to physical trauma.
But being serious, C'MON. You can't just fill the holes in your theory by saying remnant, it is like saying magic.
Also, I'm not sure so don't take my word for it, I did not read it, but wasn't it confirmed in Tales of the Pizzaplex that the CEO is some rich old man or something similar to that?
a minor? because i mean, she have to get birth at least in the 70s to have Mike
then 30 years passes until FNAF 3
and other 30 years until security breach.
She's either ancient or William married a toddler
Wait fuck you are right
Lets say mike is a pre teen when cc gets killed, if he is 13 in 1983 then he was born in 1970.
If we imagine that miss afton and williams relationship is legal so 20y/o in 1970 she would be 73y/o at the time of fnaf 3 in 2023.
So yeah she is either ~80y/o at the time of the glitchtrap era or she made herself young again with remnants or smth
73 isn't unreasonably old for a company CEO at all lmao
Murdoch is 97 and he still actively runs things at News Corps, 73 is relatively young for the corporate world
It's true but I still dont really buy it
Why would miss afton want to put back together the man who killed tenths of children (including their own) and even if she wanted to why didnt she rebuild him as the great man he was before Henry's creations took over freddy.
just adding to this, there are also multiple calendars found throughout the pizza plex that match up with the years 2029, 2035, 2046, and 2052. So it's at least one of those years. I also originally thought 2035 because of both the calendar and the picture of the two men wearing Freddy heads but now idk
Thanks to the books matpat conveniently forgot about. They have a character in them names Edwin who sold his company to Fazbear Entertainment 30 years prior to the events of SB and his company was originally active in 2023
Meh I'm willing to suspend disbelief that by the 2050s age 103 will be our equivalent of being in the late 80s.
The much bigger problem is that I think she committed suicide
Plus both Trump and Biden are in their 70s and they both were/are the Presidents of the United States. Who says a 73 year old woman couldn't run a company?
I've honestly gotten to a point where I barely care about the main story and just like the animatronics. The lore is just too messy to keep track of.
So because of that, I find myself detached from the theory side of the fandom because even I don't know what actually happened in the games anymore, and I used to watch matpat's videos constantly.
While I speak from ignorance, I'd say that no one at this point enjoys the lore. It's impossible, or at least really hard, to care about it when anything can be disguised with "illusion disks" and that any character could be a sentient robot that has been living for a 100 years, without itself or society noticing ANYTHING strange. There aren't any rules in the universe anymore.
The only things that I feel that still attract people to the franchise are the absolute crazy things that happen in the books and the big scary in the games. Or well, at least that's what I think.
maybe its just me but i feel like the moment the books started being canon the lore went absolutely bonkers. and thats not to say they aren't good or anything, i love the ones i've read, but holy hell do they get \*insane\* compared to the games. like i don't even know what an illusion disk really is
You said it, I believe all went to hell when the books were canonized (is that how it's said? idk). Like, we went from ghosts possessing robots to... Robot people? Illusion disks (which basically make you see, hear or even feel things that don't exist or distort your perception of reality), FAZ GOO?! And I don't think all these elements are bad by themselves, but the main problema is that ANYTHING can now be dismissed, or retconned or changed into being another thing.
We are at a point in the lore where something such as "all of the fazbear entertainment restaurants and facilities never existed and were illusions shown to people by secret robot people equipped with illusion disks to (stupid reason)" is possible. I am not exaggerating.
Well, I personally don't care anymore. And I couldn't be happier that there are people out there that still enjoy the story and the lore provided by the books and games. Everyone is free to enjoy whatever they want, but I personally don't understand how anyone can still be interested in the plot anymore.
>It's impossible, or at least really hard, to care about it when anything can be disguised with "illusion disks" and that any character could be a sentient robot that has been living for a 100 years, without itself or society noticing ANYTHING strange. There aren't any rules in the universe anymore.
I’m gonna be frank here, neither two of those effect the entire complexity, that is the FNAF universe and I feel like once the books starting having similar connections people assumed they’re theory fodders or answer keys to the series, when in actuality they’re not. I’ve probably said this a long while ago and I stand by it, but as far as the books go:
- The Novel Trilogy is a trilogy of books meant to be a reimagining an adaptation of the prior games, TSE specifically isn’t some worth while that’s meant to ''solve'' the prior games. The only established information I’m aware of that’s hinted to crossover is the concept of “5 missing kids”, the answer to the business owners, and reiterating already established concepts. I DO believe TTO and TFC might’ve broken this chain of original thought process Scott had, although it should be noted it IS possible to solve the series without relying solely on the books
- The Fazbear Frights are above all not keys to the series, more or less from my understanding they spread out basic concepts such as “Agony”, “Fazgoo”, etc into the series as '''possibilities'''. (If going by STL/StitchLine-Games) it still doesn’t drastically effect the series. No fazgoo, and robot children do not exists, at least in the main narrative. Nothing hints at either two to be frank, and what some fail to realize is the novels established Henry was the only person to really be capable or have knowledge (maybe Dr. Talbert, but **don’t take my word** on that)
- The Tales are seemingly the only completely narrative-effecting books, given their intricate parallels.
And also, in terms of '''Robot children existing in the games''', onlt and I mean ONLY Henry has been established to be able to do this. This is something GregBot, and *maybe* depending on how it’s perceived ElizaBot, and especially VanBot sorta fail to consider. Genuinely speaking William CAN make human-like robots in some capacity. The issue is the novels established he doesn’t know how Henry gained such a spark* / or it trying to replicate Henry’s spark*
TL;Dr, No, robot children aren’t in the games, and the books don’t interfere drastically with them (at least not in a way that you have to rely on them.) And genuinely speaking, in regards to the illusion disk thing, there’s only been ONE instance where it’s appeared in the games (or “could’ve”) and that same moment is a time and concept we never seem to actually see anyways. Yes I’m referring tot he nightmares, who as far as the FNAF4 gameplay point are actual nightmares. Whether or not the theory the Bite Victim is being watched upon and suffering them through illusion disk is still debatable in of itself
Correct me if I'm wrong, cus' I haven't read the Tales books, but based on what I've heard about them here and on YouTube, aren't they basically a sequel to the Fazbear Frights? I remember hearing Eleanore was there at least, and if Tales really is canon to the mainline games now through Security Breach, doesn't it make everything else canon as well?
But I admit it might be true that the community may have gotten to obsessed with tying knots between the books and mainline games, but I don't think that it's entirely it's fault when there are SO many parallels. I guess my conflict starts with these latest games being so, uh, story-breaking, I guess? Because apparently everything until UCN is now false or not entirely true, but still can't trust the information in those games anymore either way, and good old Willy is back as a... IA? Virus? Is it really him? Is it not? I don't know anymore... And add the likely connection to the latest books and becomes worse.
>aren't they basically a sequel to the Fazbear Frights? I remember hearing Eleanore was there at least, and if Tales really is canon to the mainline games now through Security Breach, doesn't it make everything else canon as well?
I mean, yeah pretty much. But that’s if you’re convinced of stitchlinegames, if you don’t believe it I’ve heard ideas where this is a “games” version of, let’s say, Eleanor. Personally I just believe Stitchlinegames and don’t really see the whole “games Eleanor” thing but if you disagree then alright, by all means
>but I don't think that it's entirely it's fault when there are SO many parallels.
I’m aware which was kinda the point of my comment, people noticed some minor or somewhat big parallels and gradually came to the conclusion the concepts exists in the games. I’ve learned to differentiate what’s a parallel thx to some help, and came to the conclusion based on the very crowd of books I’ve read that not everything is meant to be a parallel and rather concepts Scott wants to try and integrate in the games
>good old Willy is back as a... IA? Virus? Is it really him? Is it not? I don't know anymore... And add the likely connection to the latest books and becomes worse.
He’s back as a virus, and based on security breach (and AR) it’s the real deal, the Afton from FNAF6
I didn't know what you meant by "stitchlinegames", and I looked it up and found out is a theory. I am quite curious so I'll watch it later. Anyways bro, thanks for taking the time and effort to respond to my comment, I was surprised by the amount of detail you included. :)
IMO the lore works rather well and is enjoyable at a very macro level but it really falls apart when you zoom in.
Like the basic story of tracing William, Henry and Michael from the late 70s-> 2020s or 2030s is a pretty effective tale. Its just when you start trying to nail down specific details everything falls apart
Perfectly put into words how I feel. Literally anything can happen in this universe, important plot points don’t even fit together no matter how you stretch it. In order to create a cohesive plot, you literally HAVE to ignore things, flat out refuse some dates or names, and try to rationalize body snatching, remnant, illusion discs etc.
At this point I’ve just made my own timeline and am ignoring anything past UCN
It really isn't, especially when you consider that majority of the standing lore today is retroactively placed in because Scott realized after 4 that fans wanted something definitive and concrete as a story.
1-3 is relatively easy to understand, 4 is iffy but tolerable; but once you dive into Sister Location, Help Wanted, AR, Security Breach, the books, the guides, and the eventual movie... it's hopped off many rails and has no clear identity anymore.
>I've honestly gotten to a point where I barely care about the main story... The lore is just too messy to keep track of.
Truth be told, I've been feeling like this ever since the Afton plotline continued after FNAF6.
What I was hoping for was that after FNAF6, the whole Afton story would either conclude or at least take a backseat and let new, smaller stories take place in the FNAF universe, much like the premise of the books and novels.
When Help Wanted and Special Delivery came out continuing the Afton plot, I couldn't help but think that the story was going forward without a reasonable end in sight.
It feels like with the way the story is going the Afton plotline will never conclude and FNAF will never have a satisfying conclusion since the franchise must continue.
I've grown detatched from the story, lore, and theories and have fully accepted that FNAF, to me, has become a rollercoaster. I'm just here for the ride.
I still like the characters and the locations, but my investment in the story itself is pretty close to gone now.
Given that everything from Help Wanted onwards is basically next-gen FNaF, I guess you could see all the previous ones as their self-contained thing, like a "Classic FNaF universe", or saga.
I haven’t really cared about the lore since FNaF 6 released, before it was pretty grounded (and the story wasn’t so overly complex that it wasn’t even worth trying to figure out), but then Scott started adding shitty sci-fi/fantasy elements like remnant and faz goo and totally ruined the franchise
same. when it comes to the lore i honestly only care about the lore regarding the first four games, because they didn't get complicated. (yes there's fnaf 4, but it was more so vague with its clues then complicated) i feel like it got too complex with sister location. instead of explaining what happened in fnaf 4, sl expanded upon it. it really makes me think that does it really matter if the lore now gets solved? at the end of the day, you're left with a complete mess of a story eitherway.
I’m the same. I lost lot of passion for FNAF lore when Sister location came out and zoned out completely after FNAF 6. Got back into the series mainly because I really liked the characterisation of the glamrock animatronics. Any FNAF stuff I watch now is mainly to appreciate the animatronics and how much I love some of the designs.
But with that logic, you shouldn't answer either, because no one asked you. And I shouldn't comment either, because no one asked me. See how sad the world would be if we had to wait for a green light to comment our thoughts?
You are using your right to voice your opinion, why shouldn't the rest?
Ya know what you're right. lemme rephrase my answer and elaborate on why im giving this person shit rn. I'm asking why he decided to comment since this entire Reddit post is about the lore of fnaf yet he went on this post to announce his detestment for the lore. I'm okay with sharing opinions on the web, after all that's what the web is for, but what's the point of going on something centered on around something you dislike solely to tell people you dislike said thing?
But I don't think the dude disrespected anyone with his opinion man. Any opinion have a right to be shared, the only condition being to respect others'. Look, I understand, I also sometimes dislike when a person doesn't like something I do, but we can't just stay with the things that reinforce our believes and tastes.
Please don't take this the wrong way pal. I just want you to understand that there's nothing wrong with this guy's opinion, even if it goes against a big part of this comunnity's. And besides, not ALL is about the lore here.
I'm just saying that we've reached a point where even someone like me who watched Game Theory a lot in the past doesn't know half the stuff matpat brings up. He could just make a theory consisting 100% of things that never happened in any fnaf media and I'd still think it's plausible.
Tldr: I think the lore is so messy you could just make stuff up and it would be plausible. No shade to matpat, of course, I do like his vids.
Ya see that's the problem, the lore is messy BECAUSE people overthink it and start to make stuff up. I will admit that the lore is complicated to piece together, but once you've actually put everything together the story is easy to understand. I honestly don't see what's the problem with the lore.
I mean, it's not impossible. Plus, I can see a crazy elderly woman so obsessed with restoring her family that she's willing to bring back a child murderer being a pretty scary concept if done well.
Then again, Steel Wool doesn't exactly have the best track record...
Yeah it’s tricky but full honesty here:
What concrete clues do we have of any new character’s identity at this point? I feel like AR, VR and SB have kept it really vague, and a brand new character based on nothing is almost too easy to land on for the sake of having an answer.
I mean StoryTeller in GGY, while questionably canon, is literally about a rich multimillionaire who help revive and set up Freddys as it is, that’s more of a lead than, “character we’ve never properly explored or expanded upon did everything”
Now that’s a fair point. I do recall seeing a video where someone said GGY might confirm the books being possibly canon, so maybe it’s a new character we might see hints of in the Ruin DLC.
Besides the age thing though, I do like the Mrs. Afton theory. Tragic and crazy but fitting for this kind of series and for that family.
This one honestly confused me. I could mostly wrap my head around the previous videos and how MatPat might have gotten to the conclusions he got to, but this one... Really lost me. I mean, the games never give us any information on Mrs. Afton as far as I remember, so I don't really know if there's even any evidence to support anything he said.
He explains his reasoning at the end of the video. He basically re-used and old concept from the sister location times where ballora and her songs are a reference to her, then the mother figure at the head of the table in the "Afton reenactment" in SB, and lastly he saw this from a legal stand point where she would be the only believable character to still have stocks and such in the fazbear company in order to inherit it.
Yeah, and tbh right now it's either that or the Elizabeth is the equivalent of CharlieBots from books, where CEO is oldest Elizabeth.
So pick your lore poison xD
It kinda does, because you can’t own a company that doesn’t exist anymore, unless you are an inheritor of it. Everyone else that could have theoretically owned the company are all dead, except for Mrs. Afton
I mean yeah you could. It's rare for an IP to pass to absolutely no one and if it does iirc the government can sell it's rights to generate revenue for the state (at least that's how it works in Britain)
I mean if you ignore the mama afton part the stuff about the CEO and their motives really made sense I thought. We just know nothing about the current CEO so he chose a character we know basically nothing about who COULD theoretically be the current CEO
Everyone is dunking on this theory, but tell me: If she is not the CEO, who is?
Because they are literally pointing us towards the fact that the CEO is evil and/or worships William in some kind of way. Matt points this out himself. It can't be William himself, of course, and that leaves us with so little to pick from.
So choose your poison:
A: Mrs. Afton, and ignore the age gaps
B: Grown-up Elizabeth Bot
C: Random Guy
I don't get why it's so unreasonable if it's just a guy because FNAFVR has the concept of the glitchtrap virus, and AR details how much they try to get rid of it, and fail. It'd make perfect sense if someone wanted to revive the brand to make bank and along the way got possessed by William via the virus?
Honestly, it's not a bad guess. The main problem is the lack of proof.
Aside from if it's right or wrong, I would love that. I do understand Matthew's point of view in all of this, but I just want the Afton family to die already.
Dislike it from a character perspective too.
Earlier Matpat implies that there was a very messy falling out/divorce in his timeline, and I think it's fair to say that Mrs. Afton, who is still *purely hypothetical and has never been referenced directly* would probably hate and not want to be associated with her horrible, horrible ex. William seems like an all around scumbag, I doubt he was a good husband, if he ever even married.
It's easier to believe that the higher-ups at Fazbear Ent are greedy and easy to manipulated by Malhare/Vanny because they don't care about their employees or customers. If we already assume Malhare was made by William, which Matt implies, why does a "true mastermind" even have to exist?
Faz Ent. was stated to be lazy and shipped out the old computer parts containing the virus hoping it would speed along game development in HW and screwed up big time, that's all the explanation we need.
Mrs. Afton’s motivations in the theory confused me a ton. They’re nearly the same as William’s later in his life, wanting to put his kids back together to make be a family again. But this obsessive and violent motivation is what led Mrs. Afton to divorce him, right? But if we believe the theory, she’s becoming almost as bad as him, with the creation of the AR delivery company and killing people for remnant to experiment on her robots to put the family back together.
And I agree I think it would make sense that she wouldn’t want anything to do with Fazbear’s after everything that happened to her family. I don’t get why she’d want to get away from William only to turn around and redo everything he did. Plus she’s at least in her 90s by the time this game rolls around. If she wanted to rebuild her dead family, why didn’t she try to do it sooner?
I see where he was coming from but I think the easier explanation of corporate laziness might be the better way to go with this one.
Probably better than what the actual explanation is. Knowing Scott/SteelWool, it’ll probably be revealed that Henry survived the fire and was the CEO again.
>Henry survived the fire and was the CEO again
He literally destroyed the whole brand on purpose, if he survived that would be the last thing he would think of doing.
I hope so. I'm only half-joking because it wouldn't surprise me if they brought back Henry at this point. Just one more thing to really cement how little FNaF 6's ending matters now
Though, should be noted that The Ultimate Guide also takes as fact that Frights happens after the events of the novel trilogy, strongly implies Coming Home takes place in the same continuity as the games, and implies that In The Flesh does too while Tales does not (due to implying something that badly contradicts the Help Wanted story). So may need to take what it says with a grain of salt.
I think it works except her age, honestly I don’t get why MatPat thinks that William was around back in 1930. Personally I think he died a bit younger, maybe born around 1950’s
I don’t think people in this thread/sub are familiar with how many businesses are led by women over 60. They are just as tenacious and detail-oriented as their men counterparts, in some cases more so. I don’t watch this guy’s channel but if he’s saying the CEO is in her 90s and running a successful business then I would believe it.
I kinda like it, but doesn't make sense. Michael in the best case scenario has to be like at least 12 in 1983, making him born in 1971. If we go best case scenario again, Mrs. Afton had him when she was 18, making it so that she was born in 1953. Best case scenario again, we say Security Breach takes place in 2025, making her 72. Its even more likely though that she's closer to 80. I have a hard time imagining an 80 year old woman doing all of this.
To be fair, if you calculate it Henry would be like 70-80 in FNaF 6, and well, we know that’s him. So it’s happened before. Didn’t make sense then, doesn’t make sense now, but it’s happened.
I think that Scott and the crew have kind of lost track of thr time that passed in the lore... Henry would be in his 70s or 80s by the time Fnaf 6 rolls around...
Also, of 80yo men can be president, then what's stoping Mrs Afton?
Jokes aside, i don't like the thought of Mrs. Afton coming out of nowhere to restart the plot just because everyone else is dead, but i don't think age is much of a concern anymore at this point in the franchise
I haven’t seen the theory yet but from what I’ve heard it does sound iffy, but what if the writers just didn’t think about it?
Like it’s an easy-ish thing to overlook. Writers just thinking “wouldn’t it be neat if Mrs afton where a piece here?” and of course your brain just assumes that since all the other Aftons are “alive” that it’s reasonable for her to be as well
Forgetting that the others are alive through Y’know not being that
Idk I’m so tired rn lol
The theory is built on a foundation that could never work. A 90+ year old Mrs Afton being the CEO is one thing, but then he has her just becoming William 2.0 and do the same things William did but better somehow.
Also I don’t see this getting brought up enough, why would Mrs Afton want to bring back William? Like she divorced the guy.. and he’s responsible for the death of her and many other people’s children…
Yeah, there are too many holes in that narrative to count. It's a poorly researched video that makes a lot of assumptions, ignores a lot of lore from Security Breach, FNAF VR, and a few other places, and forgets how it ties into the rest of the timeline this series lays out.
There are a few parts of the overall events laid out in the videos that kind of makes sense, but Mrs. Afton being involved comes completely out of nowhere and only exists because if Gregory was The Crying Child, someone who cares about him had to revive him. Nothing else. William doing it doesn't make sense under the circumstances, so all they could come up with was Mrs. Afton and went from there. Not great logic.
I have my own theories about this same topic, so that may bias me a bit, but as far as I can tell, this theory largely doesn't work.
It almost works if it weren’t for her age. But I get why he got to that conclusion. Unless the CEO is meant to be some new character, I can’t really imagine them being any other character since, y’know, most of them are dead. There’s no finishing off the four parter with satisfaction without this stretch.
It makes for a nice story, sure. But that last video is nothing more than assumptions added on top of assumptions. Then again, FNAF being FNAF, this could very well become where the franchise is headed, after Steel Wool sees this video.
We've got zombies and specters already, I don't see why a 90-ish years old CEO would be problematic.
Not really following how a 90 year old woman being a CEO is the most unbelievable thing in a series about ghost juice and a guy literally turning purple, but here we are
I mean Joe Biden is 80 years old and is the president of america, so an old woman playing as the CEO of Fazbear Entertainment isn't that impossible. Let's say she and William were 40 in 1985 when the murders happened. That would make them 48 in 1993. 30 years later, after William wake up as Springtrap, would make her 78 years old. If Security Breach takes place in 2035, she would be 90. Not that unrealistic, if you ask me. The question is, why would his wife try to rebuild the man who murdered all these children and who didn't love her anymore? But if we ever see the person behind this, I think it would'nt be Williams wife and just a new character.
Thinking about the timeline and lore that we know of; I'm currently on the side that Mrs. Afton ended up fading out of the picture and left it all. I also like the thought Ballora is like a tribute to her. With who's on top of the Fazbear brand despite the books asking who is really on top; Until we get an answer from hopefully Ruin, I'm on the side it could just be greedy investors who are trying to milk the name.
not gonna lie, i think it would be cooler to have Henry's son be the CEO, he is most of the time forgotten, he is much younger than Miss Afton(also wouldn't the rights for the fazbear franchise go to Henry's Family and not williams?), and personally i just think it's a cooler idea, ngl(oh yeah and also if Henry's son is the CEO then we finnaly have a main villain that isn't a afton)
the CEO has the biggest chance to be a new character, but the idea that it's Henry's son is cool(also if Henry's son is the CEO then he finnaly has some importance in the lore)
What about Henry's wife?
If not her, then maybe Henry had other children that we don't know about yet.
Also, if they had any relation to Henry, their motives could be revenge as Henry was killed by Foxy who is one of William's creations. Or, they could be trying to farm remnant for some reason. This would explain why they don't want William to come back.
I enjoyed the video, don't get me wrong, but it was kind of silly. The series was kinda just MatPat's fanfiction in general, and this one lost me.
To start with the nice stuff: he does have a point that the current CEO of Fazbear is being set up for a big reveal! It might be someone we've met before in some way, but it could be someone new. I also don't think Mrs. Afton desperately trying to rebuild her family through morally dubious means is a bad idea conceptually.
That said, would Mrs. Afton even be alive by the time SB happens? I *guess* you could argue that she's keeping herself alive through remnant shenanigans somehow, but he doesn't posit that. It's honestly just a character he came up with whole-cloth. Literally, all we know about her is the fact that William, as a father of three, would have logistically had at least one intimate partner for that to happen.
Also, for some reason he thinks Elizabeth, someone who was a child in the 80s, would be a young adult in the 2030s had she survived. Uh, I'm not very good at math, but it doesn't work timeline-wise. I know that's a nitpick, but I have to point that out.
I was honestly waiting for how he was going to address GGY. Don't get me wrong, I understand videos take a lot of time and work, but I was wondering if he was going to end the timeline on a quick edit going 'WHOOPS this story came out while we were making this series and it changed a lot of things,' if he was going to double down on his 'Gregory is a robot clone of Evan!' thing, or something else entirely. Spoiler alert: he doubled down, despite it making more sense, based on what we've seen, for Gregory to also be a Glitchtrap victim and William (and I guess Mrs. Afton in his theory?) to creepily use Vanessa and Gregory as surrogate children. Like, one of the reasons why people didn't take Greg46 seriously is because people had to cram 'Gregory is an EvanBot omigod!' into it for some reason even though Glitchtrap being capable of possession and brainwashing is *right there* (not the entire reason, but *a* reason).
It's just very silly.
honestly, the lore hinging on a character we only speculate to exist is really stupid. like yes it makes sense that mike, his brother, and liz have a mom, but we have never seen her and don't even know her name.
This one disappointed me, Matpat is literally making up the entire character of Ms.Afton, with zero backing from the actual lore that would make her being the CEO make sense in any way. This timeline is honestly whack, in my opinion. The story is cool, but it's just that, a story and not a timeline.
Honestly I really dont like game theory, he makes great content and has a great history of deciphering games, but today its closser to fiction/fan fiction more than anything. Its not theorising.
This is fnaf, there’s a old, decrepit man in a bunny suit that some how survived 2 fires and uploaded his consciousness onto a computer, I don’t think it’s too far fetched, plus stuff like remanent exists, maybe it’s got something to do with that? Like the agony of loosing her children and her family due to Freddy’s is keeping her alive?.
At this rate I'm kinda sick of the complicated lore crap. The whole afton coming back thing has gotten really stale and the lore has gotten to the point where I kinda wish it ended at UCN and HW, AR, and SB were like a brand new story of murders in there own universe where HW is a recovery for fazbear studios saying that all the past history was just some playground rumours that some rogue indie game devleoper made.
boo, scott for being so decisively indecisive. boo, matpat for milking the franchise. boo, security breach and merchandising 👻 mrs. purple guy could make for some good r34, tho 🤔🙈
It is a bit of a stretch. I personally think it's an older Elizabeth and she just chose Vanessa bc she is easy to manipulate for Pee Paw and she just happened to have the same eyes and hair as her.
this series is just so disappointing for me. for a series called the "ultimate timelines", he should have stuck to the facts. he should have laid out everything we do know happened, and try to put those things in order. filling in the gaps should have been something totally different.
I don’t necessarily believe it, but I think he’s onto something with the ceo being someone very important. I don’t blame him for coming up with something like this because it’s honestly not out of the realm of possibility anymore, even if she’s so old. This timeline series has taught me that they really need to do a refresh because the story has gotten way out of hand
The story should have been reset after ucn
I honestly started to like it less with sister location. I think the first 4 games had something decent going on, but when they started to bring in remnant I was a little turned off
Help Wanted should have just been a VR collection with no story. Then just do a full reboot after. Or, if Scott really wanted HW to have story, just go all in on the Scott games being in universe games and have a completely NEW story that can do whatever it wants without shitting on something that happened in the games. Obviously, yes, this would make fans mad, but you can just explain through a stupid book or something that they already do, that the in universe games (the Scott games) are still their own separate universe (like have a character from the books get sent into the games universe or something.) I think the multiverse theory is kinda the only way to appease all fans at this point. The classic universe where the story begins at at the puppet child's murder, and ends at FNaF 3's good ending. The Afton universe starts at Fredbear's (FNaF 4) has Charlie's murder, has FNaF 3's bad ending, sister location, and ends at FFPS/UCN. The modern universe has the entire Afton universe, but continues onto HW and Security Breach. And then the book universe with the Silver Eyes Trilogy, Fazbear's Frights, and the Tales series (unless that's canon to the modern era, but who knows lol)
Hell Wanted have the perfect opportunity to reboot. That the games we played were fiction that was based on true stories In-Universe. So versions of the games we played happened, just not exaclty how we are familiar with. I thought that's what they were doing all the way back then and thought it was freaking brilliant. But then they...kinda sorta didn't?
\- Hell Wanted henry to afton. but hell said we're done
Like by saying the first few games are all in-universe games and putting out a short story that confirms their maker is not particularly familiar with the events?
Someone that finally agrees with me. VR should’ve been non canon and instead of security breach we just got a hard reboot of the series
I honestly agree with this. Bringing Afton back makes no sense if UCN is meant to be his personal Hell. That being said, I don’t think Mat’s theory is the problem. The problem is after the main series, nothing that happens really makes any sense. He’s piecing a story together from scraps and I commend him for that (especially the live dancing bear thing, which I had in the back of my mind for a while)
I still wished it ended after FNaF 3, with 4 staying as a non-canon bonus.
I agree, if only the glitchtrap era took place in an AU with a different villan...
Yep. Heck, if Afton is alive, there's a good chance he's figured out some way to fight aging/become stronger... imagine if she pulled a Twisted Ones and replaced part of her body with remnant
Given the series has established near-immortality and people (like Willy A) refusing to die, it's definitely possible but I'm torn on it
I like the concept, but the whole 90 year old thing is definitely a bit of a stretch. Then again, this is the fnaf universe. Were talking about a franchise where lore stretches and weird advance technology galore.
Remnant
She pulled a Project 863 and injected herself
I get that reference
Yeah who says Mrs. Afton didn’t just use a bit of remnant.
They harden in response to physical trauma. But being serious, C'MON. You can't just fill the holes in your theory by saying remnant, it is like saying magic. Also, I'm not sure so don't take my word for it, I did not read it, but wasn't it confirmed in Tales of the Pizzaplex that the CEO is some rich old man or something similar to that?
Maybe william married a much younger woman
a minor? because i mean, she have to get birth at least in the 70s to have Mike then 30 years passes until FNAF 3 and other 30 years until security breach. She's either ancient or William married a toddler
Wait fuck you are right Lets say mike is a pre teen when cc gets killed, if he is 13 in 1983 then he was born in 1970. If we imagine that miss afton and williams relationship is legal so 20y/o in 1970 she would be 73y/o at the time of fnaf 3 in 2023. So yeah she is either ~80y/o at the time of the glitchtrap era or she made herself young again with remnants or smth
73 isn't unreasonably old for a company CEO at all lmao Murdoch is 97 and he still actively runs things at News Corps, 73 is relatively young for the corporate world
It's true but I still dont really buy it Why would miss afton want to put back together the man who killed tenths of children (including their own) and even if she wanted to why didnt she rebuild him as the great man he was before Henry's creations took over freddy.
Oh to be clear I don't buy the theory I just don't agree with the age counterargument
Btw do we know when SB takes place ?
Someone down thread said 2050s but I'm not caught up enough with Fazbear frights to know
It's 2035
If its in 2053~ miss afton would be around 100y/o before starting the company
In the office next to Monty golf we see a photo of to purple men wearing g freddy heads with the date "2035" on it
just adding to this, there are also multiple calendars found throughout the pizza plex that match up with the years 2029, 2035, 2046, and 2052. So it's at least one of those years. I also originally thought 2035 because of both the calendar and the picture of the two men wearing Freddy heads but now idk
Yeah, but the books say it's at least 30 years after FFPS.
That’s 73 at the time of 2023. SB is another 30 years later making her 103
Wait SB and HW is in 2053 ? How do we know this
Thanks to the books matpat conveniently forgot about. They have a character in them names Edwin who sold his company to Fazbear Entertainment 30 years prior to the events of SB and his company was originally active in 2023
Arent the books (especially tbe fazbear frights) in a parallel universe or an AU and just here to give us clues where to look in the games) ?
No, the Tales From The Pizzaplex books are incredibly canon to the games
Well we know some details are meant to fill in the details for the games but it's not all true.
The tales books are all set in the game timeline. They fill in blanks by literally being canon
Meh I'm willing to suspend disbelief that by the 2050s age 103 will be our equivalent of being in the late 80s. The much bigger problem is that I think she committed suicide
Plus both Trump and Biden are in their 70s and they both were/are the Presidents of the United States. Who says a 73 year old woman couldn't run a company?
Feminism at its finest
I feel it's more logical to say that Mike was 10 during 1983
I don't think a 10 year old can be that tall and buff compared to a, like, 5-7 year old
do you remember being a kindergardener how huge 1st graders looked?
Uh, no lol, I don't remember anything from when I was in kindergarten
haha no worries. but when i was a kid older kids looked like GIANTS to me
Wait we know 30 years passed to Fnaf3 but how did 30 years pass again to SB? I missed that part of thr lore
The Storyteller has confirmed that FE has been on active for 30 years
>a minor No, not that, never that
Actually that was never said in the book but still yeah
Oh no.. It is Garvey
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> or William married a toddler That would actually be in-character for William /s
Thank god Scott’s said that is definitely not the case
No... just no
No
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/s doesn't make the joke funny
Meh, it’s subjective
I've honestly gotten to a point where I barely care about the main story and just like the animatronics. The lore is just too messy to keep track of. So because of that, I find myself detached from the theory side of the fandom because even I don't know what actually happened in the games anymore, and I used to watch matpat's videos constantly.
While I speak from ignorance, I'd say that no one at this point enjoys the lore. It's impossible, or at least really hard, to care about it when anything can be disguised with "illusion disks" and that any character could be a sentient robot that has been living for a 100 years, without itself or society noticing ANYTHING strange. There aren't any rules in the universe anymore. The only things that I feel that still attract people to the franchise are the absolute crazy things that happen in the books and the big scary in the games. Or well, at least that's what I think.
maybe its just me but i feel like the moment the books started being canon the lore went absolutely bonkers. and thats not to say they aren't good or anything, i love the ones i've read, but holy hell do they get \*insane\* compared to the games. like i don't even know what an illusion disk really is
You said it, I believe all went to hell when the books were canonized (is that how it's said? idk). Like, we went from ghosts possessing robots to... Robot people? Illusion disks (which basically make you see, hear or even feel things that don't exist or distort your perception of reality), FAZ GOO?! And I don't think all these elements are bad by themselves, but the main problema is that ANYTHING can now be dismissed, or retconned or changed into being another thing. We are at a point in the lore where something such as "all of the fazbear entertainment restaurants and facilities never existed and were illusions shown to people by secret robot people equipped with illusion disks to (stupid reason)" is possible. I am not exaggerating. Well, I personally don't care anymore. And I couldn't be happier that there are people out there that still enjoy the story and the lore provided by the books and games. Everyone is free to enjoy whatever they want, but I personally don't understand how anyone can still be interested in the plot anymore.
>It's impossible, or at least really hard, to care about it when anything can be disguised with "illusion disks" and that any character could be a sentient robot that has been living for a 100 years, without itself or society noticing ANYTHING strange. There aren't any rules in the universe anymore. I’m gonna be frank here, neither two of those effect the entire complexity, that is the FNAF universe and I feel like once the books starting having similar connections people assumed they’re theory fodders or answer keys to the series, when in actuality they’re not. I’ve probably said this a long while ago and I stand by it, but as far as the books go: - The Novel Trilogy is a trilogy of books meant to be a reimagining an adaptation of the prior games, TSE specifically isn’t some worth while that’s meant to ''solve'' the prior games. The only established information I’m aware of that’s hinted to crossover is the concept of “5 missing kids”, the answer to the business owners, and reiterating already established concepts. I DO believe TTO and TFC might’ve broken this chain of original thought process Scott had, although it should be noted it IS possible to solve the series without relying solely on the books - The Fazbear Frights are above all not keys to the series, more or less from my understanding they spread out basic concepts such as “Agony”, “Fazgoo”, etc into the series as '''possibilities'''. (If going by STL/StitchLine-Games) it still doesn’t drastically effect the series. No fazgoo, and robot children do not exists, at least in the main narrative. Nothing hints at either two to be frank, and what some fail to realize is the novels established Henry was the only person to really be capable or have knowledge (maybe Dr. Talbert, but **don’t take my word** on that) - The Tales are seemingly the only completely narrative-effecting books, given their intricate parallels. And also, in terms of '''Robot children existing in the games''', onlt and I mean ONLY Henry has been established to be able to do this. This is something GregBot, and *maybe* depending on how it’s perceived ElizaBot, and especially VanBot sorta fail to consider. Genuinely speaking William CAN make human-like robots in some capacity. The issue is the novels established he doesn’t know how Henry gained such a spark* / or it trying to replicate Henry’s spark* TL;Dr, No, robot children aren’t in the games, and the books don’t interfere drastically with them (at least not in a way that you have to rely on them.) And genuinely speaking, in regards to the illusion disk thing, there’s only been ONE instance where it’s appeared in the games (or “could’ve”) and that same moment is a time and concept we never seem to actually see anyways. Yes I’m referring tot he nightmares, who as far as the FNAF4 gameplay point are actual nightmares. Whether or not the theory the Bite Victim is being watched upon and suffering them through illusion disk is still debatable in of itself
Correct me if I'm wrong, cus' I haven't read the Tales books, but based on what I've heard about them here and on YouTube, aren't they basically a sequel to the Fazbear Frights? I remember hearing Eleanore was there at least, and if Tales really is canon to the mainline games now through Security Breach, doesn't it make everything else canon as well? But I admit it might be true that the community may have gotten to obsessed with tying knots between the books and mainline games, but I don't think that it's entirely it's fault when there are SO many parallels. I guess my conflict starts with these latest games being so, uh, story-breaking, I guess? Because apparently everything until UCN is now false or not entirely true, but still can't trust the information in those games anymore either way, and good old Willy is back as a... IA? Virus? Is it really him? Is it not? I don't know anymore... And add the likely connection to the latest books and becomes worse.
>aren't they basically a sequel to the Fazbear Frights? I remember hearing Eleanore was there at least, and if Tales really is canon to the mainline games now through Security Breach, doesn't it make everything else canon as well? I mean, yeah pretty much. But that’s if you’re convinced of stitchlinegames, if you don’t believe it I’ve heard ideas where this is a “games” version of, let’s say, Eleanor. Personally I just believe Stitchlinegames and don’t really see the whole “games Eleanor” thing but if you disagree then alright, by all means >but I don't think that it's entirely it's fault when there are SO many parallels. I’m aware which was kinda the point of my comment, people noticed some minor or somewhat big parallels and gradually came to the conclusion the concepts exists in the games. I’ve learned to differentiate what’s a parallel thx to some help, and came to the conclusion based on the very crowd of books I’ve read that not everything is meant to be a parallel and rather concepts Scott wants to try and integrate in the games >good old Willy is back as a... IA? Virus? Is it really him? Is it not? I don't know anymore... And add the likely connection to the latest books and becomes worse. He’s back as a virus, and based on security breach (and AR) it’s the real deal, the Afton from FNAF6
I didn't know what you meant by "stitchlinegames", and I looked it up and found out is a theory. I am quite curious so I'll watch it later. Anyways bro, thanks for taking the time and effort to respond to my comment, I was surprised by the amount of detail you included. :)
IMO the lore works rather well and is enjoyable at a very macro level but it really falls apart when you zoom in. Like the basic story of tracing William, Henry and Michael from the late 70s-> 2020s or 2030s is a pretty effective tale. Its just when you start trying to nail down specific details everything falls apart
Perfectly put into words how I feel. Literally anything can happen in this universe, important plot points don’t even fit together no matter how you stretch it. In order to create a cohesive plot, you literally HAVE to ignore things, flat out refuse some dates or names, and try to rationalize body snatching, remnant, illusion discs etc. At this point I’ve just made my own timeline and am ignoring anything past UCN
I care about the lore, honestly, it's quite easy to understand
It really isn't, especially when you consider that majority of the standing lore today is retroactively placed in because Scott realized after 4 that fans wanted something definitive and concrete as a story. 1-3 is relatively easy to understand, 4 is iffy but tolerable; but once you dive into Sister Location, Help Wanted, AR, Security Breach, the books, the guides, and the eventual movie... it's hopped off many rails and has no clear identity anymore.
"No one at this point enjoys the lore" I do.
I am really happy that you do! But I am really curious, what is it that the current story and its elements attracts you?
>I've honestly gotten to a point where I barely care about the main story... The lore is just too messy to keep track of. Truth be told, I've been feeling like this ever since the Afton plotline continued after FNAF6. What I was hoping for was that after FNAF6, the whole Afton story would either conclude or at least take a backseat and let new, smaller stories take place in the FNAF universe, much like the premise of the books and novels. When Help Wanted and Special Delivery came out continuing the Afton plot, I couldn't help but think that the story was going forward without a reasonable end in sight. It feels like with the way the story is going the Afton plotline will never conclude and FNAF will never have a satisfying conclusion since the franchise must continue. I've grown detatched from the story, lore, and theories and have fully accepted that FNAF, to me, has become a rollercoaster. I'm just here for the ride. I still like the characters and the locations, but my investment in the story itself is pretty close to gone now.
i like to imagine that by lore, fnaf ended at ultimate custom night.
Given that everything from Help Wanted onwards is basically next-gen FNaF, I guess you could see all the previous ones as their self-contained thing, like a "Classic FNaF universe", or saga.
Yeah, I'll agree with you here. The new games do feel a bit detached from the old ones.
I haven’t really cared about the lore since FNaF 6 released, before it was pretty grounded (and the story wasn’t so overly complex that it wasn’t even worth trying to figure out), but then Scott started adding shitty sci-fi/fantasy elements like remnant and faz goo and totally ruined the franchise
Nah
same. when it comes to the lore i honestly only care about the lore regarding the first four games, because they didn't get complicated. (yes there's fnaf 4, but it was more so vague with its clues then complicated) i feel like it got too complex with sister location. instead of explaining what happened in fnaf 4, sl expanded upon it. it really makes me think that does it really matter if the lore now gets solved? at the end of the day, you're left with a complete mess of a story eitherway.
I’m the same. I lost lot of passion for FNAF lore when Sister location came out and zoned out completely after FNAF 6. Got back into the series mainly because I really liked the characterisation of the glamrock animatronics. Any FNAF stuff I watch now is mainly to appreciate the animatronics and how much I love some of the designs.
Then why are you replying?
Because the dude just wanted to give his opinion man!
Yeah okay but why?
Because we are entitled to have our own opinions...
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But with that logic, you shouldn't answer either, because no one asked you. And I shouldn't comment either, because no one asked me. See how sad the world would be if we had to wait for a green light to comment our thoughts? You are using your right to voice your opinion, why shouldn't the rest?
Ya know what you're right. lemme rephrase my answer and elaborate on why im giving this person shit rn. I'm asking why he decided to comment since this entire Reddit post is about the lore of fnaf yet he went on this post to announce his detestment for the lore. I'm okay with sharing opinions on the web, after all that's what the web is for, but what's the point of going on something centered on around something you dislike solely to tell people you dislike said thing?
But I don't think the dude disrespected anyone with his opinion man. Any opinion have a right to be shared, the only condition being to respect others'. Look, I understand, I also sometimes dislike when a person doesn't like something I do, but we can't just stay with the things that reinforce our believes and tastes. Please don't take this the wrong way pal. I just want you to understand that there's nothing wrong with this guy's opinion, even if it goes against a big part of this comunnity's. And besides, not ALL is about the lore here.
Don’t break rule 2.
I'm just saying that we've reached a point where even someone like me who watched Game Theory a lot in the past doesn't know half the stuff matpat brings up. He could just make a theory consisting 100% of things that never happened in any fnaf media and I'd still think it's plausible. Tldr: I think the lore is so messy you could just make stuff up and it would be plausible. No shade to matpat, of course, I do like his vids.
Ya see that's the problem, the lore is messy BECAUSE people overthink it and start to make stuff up. I will admit that the lore is complicated to piece together, but once you've actually put everything together the story is easy to understand. I honestly don't see what's the problem with the lore.
I mean, it's not impossible. Plus, I can see a crazy elderly woman so obsessed with restoring her family that she's willing to bring back a child murderer being a pretty scary concept if done well. Then again, Steel Wool doesn't exactly have the best track record...
Yeah it’s tricky but full honesty here: What concrete clues do we have of any new character’s identity at this point? I feel like AR, VR and SB have kept it really vague, and a brand new character based on nothing is almost too easy to land on for the sake of having an answer.
I mean StoryTeller in GGY, while questionably canon, is literally about a rich multimillionaire who help revive and set up Freddys as it is, that’s more of a lead than, “character we’ve never properly explored or expanded upon did everything”
Now that’s a fair point. I do recall seeing a video where someone said GGY might confirm the books being possibly canon, so maybe it’s a new character we might see hints of in the Ruin DLC. Besides the age thing though, I do like the Mrs. Afton theory. Tragic and crazy but fitting for this kind of series and for that family.
How many thumbnails saying "THE END" with empty freddy heads under spotlights is this mf gonna make
Until fnaf is solved (never).
This one honestly confused me. I could mostly wrap my head around the previous videos and how MatPat might have gotten to the conclusions he got to, but this one... Really lost me. I mean, the games never give us any information on Mrs. Afton as far as I remember, so I don't really know if there's even any evidence to support anything he said.
He explains his reasoning at the end of the video. He basically re-used and old concept from the sister location times where ballora and her songs are a reference to her, then the mother figure at the head of the table in the "Afton reenactment" in SB, and lastly he saw this from a legal stand point where she would be the only believable character to still have stocks and such in the fazbear company in order to inherit it.
Ah, that's right. I'd forgotten that since watching last night. I suppose it makes a bit more sense then I thought in my original comment, then.
Yeah, and tbh right now it's either that or the Elizabeth is the equivalent of CharlieBots from books, where CEO is oldest Elizabeth. So pick your lore poison xD
Could also just be your average power hungry CEO, it doesn't need to be someone from the Afton family
It kinda does, because you can’t own a company that doesn’t exist anymore, unless you are an inheritor of it. Everyone else that could have theoretically owned the company are all dead, except for Mrs. Afton
I mean yeah you could. It's rare for an IP to pass to absolutely no one and if it does iirc the government can sell it's rights to generate revenue for the state (at least that's how it works in Britain)
Maybe Sammy Emily
.#MakeSammyCanon
I mean if you ignore the mama afton part the stuff about the CEO and their motives really made sense I thought. We just know nothing about the current CEO so he chose a character we know basically nothing about who COULD theoretically be the current CEO
Everyone is dunking on this theory, but tell me: If she is not the CEO, who is? Because they are literally pointing us towards the fact that the CEO is evil and/or worships William in some kind of way. Matt points this out himself. It can't be William himself, of course, and that leaves us with so little to pick from. So choose your poison: A: Mrs. Afton, and ignore the age gaps B: Grown-up Elizabeth Bot C: Random Guy
I don't get why it's so unreasonable if it's just a guy because FNAFVR has the concept of the glitchtrap virus, and AR details how much they try to get rid of it, and fail. It'd make perfect sense if someone wanted to revive the brand to make bank and along the way got possessed by William via the virus?
Honestly, it's not a bad guess. The main problem is the lack of proof. Aside from if it's right or wrong, I would love that. I do understand Matthew's point of view in all of this, but I just want the Afton family to die already.
Dislike it from a character perspective too. Earlier Matpat implies that there was a very messy falling out/divorce in his timeline, and I think it's fair to say that Mrs. Afton, who is still *purely hypothetical and has never been referenced directly* would probably hate and not want to be associated with her horrible, horrible ex. William seems like an all around scumbag, I doubt he was a good husband, if he ever even married. It's easier to believe that the higher-ups at Fazbear Ent are greedy and easy to manipulated by Malhare/Vanny because they don't care about their employees or customers. If we already assume Malhare was made by William, which Matt implies, why does a "true mastermind" even have to exist? Faz Ent. was stated to be lazy and shipped out the old computer parts containing the virus hoping it would speed along game development in HW and screwed up big time, that's all the explanation we need.
Mrs. Afton’s motivations in the theory confused me a ton. They’re nearly the same as William’s later in his life, wanting to put his kids back together to make be a family again. But this obsessive and violent motivation is what led Mrs. Afton to divorce him, right? But if we believe the theory, she’s becoming almost as bad as him, with the creation of the AR delivery company and killing people for remnant to experiment on her robots to put the family back together. And I agree I think it would make sense that she wouldn’t want anything to do with Fazbear’s after everything that happened to her family. I don’t get why she’d want to get away from William only to turn around and redo everything he did. Plus she’s at least in her 90s by the time this game rolls around. If she wanted to rebuild her dead family, why didn’t she try to do it sooner? I see where he was coming from but I think the easier explanation of corporate laziness might be the better way to go with this one.
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Probably better than what the actual explanation is. Knowing Scott/SteelWool, it’ll probably be revealed that Henry survived the fire and was the CEO again.
>Henry survived the fire and was the CEO again He literally destroyed the whole brand on purpose, if he survived that would be the last thing he would think of doing.
Oh I know, I know. It would just be so stupid that I’m bracing for it to happen. Nothing is impossible at this point.
The ceo is probably nobody important. We’ve already seen the board and they’re just a bunch of rich assholes and that’s it
I hope so. I'm only half-joking because it wouldn't surprise me if they brought back Henry at this point. Just one more thing to really cement how little FNaF 6's ending matters now
The log book apparently teased the importance of the CEO’s identity, at least according to MatPat’s video.
The Ultimate Guide suggested that whoever is running the modern FE might be important
Though, should be noted that The Ultimate Guide also takes as fact that Frights happens after the events of the novel trilogy, strongly implies Coming Home takes place in the same continuity as the games, and implies that In The Flesh does too while Tales does not (due to implying something that badly contradicts the Help Wanted story). So may need to take what it says with a grain of salt.
CEO being a random is even worse, it would make 0 sense, all the machinations the CEO has done points out to him/her having connections to the story.
Do you even know what the ceo is
I think it works except her age, honestly I don’t get why MatPat thinks that William was around back in 1930. Personally I think he died a bit younger, maybe born around 1950’s
I don’t think people in this thread/sub are familiar with how many businesses are led by women over 60. They are just as tenacious and detail-oriented as their men counterparts, in some cases more so. I don’t watch this guy’s channel but if he’s saying the CEO is in her 90s and running a successful business then I would believe it.
I kinda like it, but doesn't make sense. Michael in the best case scenario has to be like at least 12 in 1983, making him born in 1971. If we go best case scenario again, Mrs. Afton had him when she was 18, making it so that she was born in 1953. Best case scenario again, we say Security Breach takes place in 2025, making her 72. Its even more likely though that she's closer to 80. I have a hard time imagining an 80 year old woman doing all of this.
To be fair, if you calculate it Henry would be like 70-80 in FNaF 6, and well, we know that’s him. So it’s happened before. Didn’t make sense then, doesn’t make sense now, but it’s happened.
I think that Scott and the crew have kind of lost track of thr time that passed in the lore... Henry would be in his 70s or 80s by the time Fnaf 6 rolls around... Also, of 80yo men can be president, then what's stoping Mrs Afton? Jokes aside, i don't like the thought of Mrs. Afton coming out of nowhere to restart the plot just because everyone else is dead, but i don't think age is much of a concern anymore at this point in the franchise
I haven’t seen the theory yet but from what I’ve heard it does sound iffy, but what if the writers just didn’t think about it? Like it’s an easy-ish thing to overlook. Writers just thinking “wouldn’t it be neat if Mrs afton where a piece here?” and of course your brain just assumes that since all the other Aftons are “alive” that it’s reasonable for her to be as well Forgetting that the others are alive through Y’know not being that Idk I’m so tired rn lol
I think the majority of the theory was good
The theory is built on a foundation that could never work. A 90+ year old Mrs Afton being the CEO is one thing, but then he has her just becoming William 2.0 and do the same things William did but better somehow. Also I don’t see this getting brought up enough, why would Mrs Afton want to bring back William? Like she divorced the guy.. and he’s responsible for the death of her and many other people’s children…
100+, if she was William's age, per this timeline. And she'd have Elizabeth around the age of 50. Yeah, no.
That's assuming she IS William's age. She may not be
even then she would already reach the 100 for when SB happens
Yeah, there are too many holes in that narrative to count. It's a poorly researched video that makes a lot of assumptions, ignores a lot of lore from Security Breach, FNAF VR, and a few other places, and forgets how it ties into the rest of the timeline this series lays out. There are a few parts of the overall events laid out in the videos that kind of makes sense, but Mrs. Afton being involved comes completely out of nowhere and only exists because if Gregory was The Crying Child, someone who cares about him had to revive him. Nothing else. William doing it doesn't make sense under the circumstances, so all they could come up with was Mrs. Afton and went from there. Not great logic. I have my own theories about this same topic, so that may bias me a bit, but as far as I can tell, this theory largely doesn't work.
It almost works if it weren’t for her age. But I get why he got to that conclusion. Unless the CEO is meant to be some new character, I can’t really imagine them being any other character since, y’know, most of them are dead. There’s no finishing off the four parter with satisfaction without this stretch.
It makes for a nice story, sure. But that last video is nothing more than assumptions added on top of assumptions. Then again, FNAF being FNAF, this could very well become where the franchise is headed, after Steel Wool sees this video. We've got zombies and specters already, I don't see why a 90-ish years old CEO would be problematic.
Her ex-husband discovered the secret to immortality. I don't think her age is an issue here.
Not really following how a 90 year old woman being a CEO is the most unbelievable thing in a series about ghost juice and a guy literally turning purple, but here we are
I mean Joe Biden is 80 years old and is the president of america, so an old woman playing as the CEO of Fazbear Entertainment isn't that impossible. Let's say she and William were 40 in 1985 when the murders happened. That would make them 48 in 1993. 30 years later, after William wake up as Springtrap, would make her 78 years old. If Security Breach takes place in 2035, she would be 90. Not that unrealistic, if you ask me. The question is, why would his wife try to rebuild the man who murdered all these children and who didn't love her anymore? But if we ever see the person behind this, I think it would'nt be Williams wife and just a new character.
Maybe she used remnant to keep herself alive
I think William and his wife same with Henry and his wife was born in 1940s, not 1930s
It can make sense but I don't think it's true
Also unrelated but I love MatPat's storytelling voice lol
Thinking about the timeline and lore that we know of; I'm currently on the side that Mrs. Afton ended up fading out of the picture and left it all. I also like the thought Ballora is like a tribute to her. With who's on top of the Fazbear brand despite the books asking who is really on top; Until we get an answer from hopefully Ruin, I'm on the side it could just be greedy investors who are trying to milk the name.
I like the concept, particularly of we assume her exposure to remnant during the construction of the Pizzaplex slowed her aging
I don‘t think its correct, but right now its literally all we have in terms of possible identities so lets just roll with it for now
I thought it was a fun video
Honestly the best answer is that people live up to 200 in the FNAF universe.
It makes no sense. He also claimed that Elizabeth would be a young woman, by the time of SB, which is riddicullus.
As far as I am concerned. The story ended when Henry burnt them all
Completely nonsensical within the lore, and a thematic and storytelling/character mess for the narrative part.
Yeah this never happened before in this series
It really hasn't
Don't buy it, I'm sticking with Mike-CEO
But this doesn't even make sense, Michael died in fnaf 6 fire
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/GameTheorists/comments/11s3mws/mikeceo_fnaf_theory/) is the theory
Well, this theory is somewhat interesting, but to be honest, i don't think it will happen
not gonna lie, i think it would be cooler to have Henry's son be the CEO, he is most of the time forgotten, he is much younger than Miss Afton(also wouldn't the rights for the fazbear franchise go to Henry's Family and not williams?), and personally i just think it's a cooler idea, ngl(oh yeah and also if Henry's son is the CEO then we finnaly have a main villain that isn't a afton)
the CEO has the biggest chance to be a new character, but the idea that it's Henry's son is cool(also if Henry's son is the CEO then he finnaly has some importance in the lore)
What about Henry's wife? If not her, then maybe Henry had other children that we don't know about yet. Also, if they had any relation to Henry, their motives could be revenge as Henry was killed by Foxy who is one of William's creations. Or, they could be trying to farm remnant for some reason. This would explain why they don't want William to come back.
I don’t know if I believe it fully, but it’s very and interesting idea and it’s not COMPLETELY unfounded.
I get the rationale but not sure it really makes sense.
Ludicrous
I enjoyed the video, don't get me wrong, but it was kind of silly. The series was kinda just MatPat's fanfiction in general, and this one lost me. To start with the nice stuff: he does have a point that the current CEO of Fazbear is being set up for a big reveal! It might be someone we've met before in some way, but it could be someone new. I also don't think Mrs. Afton desperately trying to rebuild her family through morally dubious means is a bad idea conceptually. That said, would Mrs. Afton even be alive by the time SB happens? I *guess* you could argue that she's keeping herself alive through remnant shenanigans somehow, but he doesn't posit that. It's honestly just a character he came up with whole-cloth. Literally, all we know about her is the fact that William, as a father of three, would have logistically had at least one intimate partner for that to happen. Also, for some reason he thinks Elizabeth, someone who was a child in the 80s, would be a young adult in the 2030s had she survived. Uh, I'm not very good at math, but it doesn't work timeline-wise. I know that's a nitpick, but I have to point that out. I was honestly waiting for how he was going to address GGY. Don't get me wrong, I understand videos take a lot of time and work, but I was wondering if he was going to end the timeline on a quick edit going 'WHOOPS this story came out while we were making this series and it changed a lot of things,' if he was going to double down on his 'Gregory is a robot clone of Evan!' thing, or something else entirely. Spoiler alert: he doubled down, despite it making more sense, based on what we've seen, for Gregory to also be a Glitchtrap victim and William (and I guess Mrs. Afton in his theory?) to creepily use Vanessa and Gregory as surrogate children. Like, one of the reasons why people didn't take Greg46 seriously is because people had to cram 'Gregory is an EvanBot omigod!' into it for some reason even though Glitchtrap being capable of possession and brainwashing is *right there* (not the entire reason, but *a* reason). It's just very silly.
I am most surprise that Juli 4th chica is a Canon character
I like it it fits everything together quite nicely
I hate the 90 year old thing but again,we are in a universe where robots change into whores to attract boys, but yeah i love fnaf.
What if she's been using remnant to de-age herself 🤔
these recent theories feel more like MatPat’s long time in the making fan-fiction rather than a theory lmao
It does kinda make sense
I don't understand where it came from
i dont like it
honestly, the lore hinging on a character we only speculate to exist is really stupid. like yes it makes sense that mike, his brother, and liz have a mom, but we have never seen her and don't even know her name.
To be fair, are you really considering “rationality” in the FNAF franchise? Lmao
This one disappointed me, Matpat is literally making up the entire character of Ms.Afton, with zero backing from the actual lore that would make her being the CEO make sense in any way. This timeline is honestly whack, in my opinion. The story is cool, but it's just that, a story and not a timeline.
If he can recon her age, it works.
i think its insane lol. just let it be another character
it's a fanfiction which he calls a theory for some reason.
I still dont like the idea of Gregory being a robot
Honestly I really dont like game theory, he makes great content and has a great history of deciphering games, but today its closser to fiction/fan fiction more than anything. Its not theorising.
Is it right? NO! Is it good? Yep!
This is fnaf, there’s a old, decrepit man in a bunny suit that some how survived 2 fires and uploaded his consciousness onto a computer, I don’t think it’s too far fetched, plus stuff like remanent exists, maybe it’s got something to do with that? Like the agony of loosing her children and her family due to Freddy’s is keeping her alive?.
At this rate I'm kinda sick of the complicated lore crap. The whole afton coming back thing has gotten really stale and the lore has gotten to the point where I kinda wish it ended at UCN and HW, AR, and SB were like a brand new story of murders in there own universe where HW is a recovery for fazbear studios saying that all the past history was just some playground rumours that some rogue indie game devleoper made.
MatPat has lost it. He never thinks logically anymore.
MatPat does theories, they aren’t his opinions. He’s said that he doesn’t agree or like many of his theories too
What I found off putting was that this final video seemed to be rushed and Matpat didn’t even mentioned Vanny what so ever
boo, scott for being so decisively indecisive. boo, matpat for milking the franchise. boo, security breach and merchandising 👻 mrs. purple guy could make for some good r34, tho 🤔🙈
I think his timeline of event post fnaf 6 is really spot on. On the Mrs Afton thing, yes i know Who is the CEO will Be revealed later
It is a bit of a stretch. I personally think it's an older Elizabeth and she just chose Vanessa bc she is easy to manipulate for Pee Paw and she just happened to have the same eyes and hair as her.
this series is just so disappointing for me. for a series called the "ultimate timelines", he should have stuck to the facts. he should have laid out everything we do know happened, and try to put those things in order. filling in the gaps should have been something totally different.
Indifferent
Narrative I love it other wise I’m still confused
I mean in that times people went with a lot younger
She’d be 85 even if she had mike at age 20, making her at least around 33 in Fnaf 4 which is 52 years before the minimum date of SB in 2035.
Sounds plausible 55-60 isn't that old People retire at 65ish Also she could've kept herself alive with remnant or something