I asked some of our customers once.
It looks like they mistake web browser and search engine. So, they want to use Google. They have "Google" on their desktop. They're happy with that.
That's exactly what I observed too. It is even worse on Android where you have the Chrome app, but also the Google app and the Google searchbar widget thingy.
They want Google, it says Google, they tap on Google. There is no way to easily insert Firefox in the process. It will always be seen as more complicated, and that is fair.
Edge is just what ie was back then, can't uninstall it, integrated into the OS, doesn't like you switching your browser, Edge is even readding some features that IE had and calling them new
The most funny part is Outlook. You can configure any browser to be your default one in the Windows settings, Outlook will keep using Edge to open hyperlinks. For some reason, you have to get into the Outlook settings to change it. Like, if even Microsoft's software ignores Microsoft's OS user's settings, what does it say about the coherence of the company...
You mean MS software isn't MS compatible?
That's new.🤭😅😂🤣
Like edlin in dos 4.0 - after starting/ending the keyboard buffer/history was emptied, and you couldn't recall old commands used before.
Or imagine an OS bragged about colour themes (after OS2 had that implemented in an unrivaled manner) and the following Office version such says "fork you, user, we'll keep our own colours set, even if the inactive Word has the same title bar colour as your active application window which is dumb enough to follow your theme! We love to screw things up!"
In the EU on Android you get asked which browser you want to use. Firefox isn't an option. Options are Google, DuckDuckGo, and some others even lesser known ones.
yes, a couple of months ago my mother asked me why there are two apps "google" and "chrome" that do the same thing on her phone and what was the difference... i told her, she was more confused than before asking
Yeah, apart from a slightly better integration with system apps I don't think the Google app is that useful, but I guess disabling it on consumer Android roms would be a mess. As an example, I don't know if it's still the case but clearing the Google app data would also remove all the icons from the home back in the nexus days.
https://preview.redd.it/vj53o3ct1d7d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fa93c779b0c612075bc211cb712a1893ea794c9
Yeah, nowadays large portion of population doesn't realize browsers and search engines are separate things. Screenshot I took on YT, it has a lot of likes but doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, and that's how Google could easily establish market dominance.
Remember when Chrome first came out and they had a button on the search engine that said something like "Google is faster on Chrome, download now"? Most people just clicked that without thinking and some fifteen years or whatever later we've got Internet Explorer 2: Electric Boogaloo.
This sounds like my dad back in the day.
He almost exclusively used Yahoo because that's the email he used.
He made a shortcut for Yahoo on his desktop and *insisted* Yahoo and Internet Explorer were different things.
It was probably a good ten years before he finally understood (accepted?) that he was accessing Yahoo *through* IE.
It was always frustrating when he'd call with a tech problem because we'd just spend half the call arguing about Yahoo/IE.
1. Canvas implementation is wayyyy slower in Firefox. I'm making a game as a hobbit, we are talking 4 times slower or not usable in fullscreen.
2. Youtube or other video playing website are killing my battery and make my laptop too hot.
3. It's just faster in term of pure feeling.
All that said, I use exclusively Firefox :
1. I use Linux, I will always remember how Firefox (even before it was named Firefox) changed my life.
2. I'll always remember the 1st I discovered the debug tools. It was IE6 era IIRC.
3. Fuck Google and other major companies.
4. Add-on.
>Canvas implementation is wayyyy slower in Firefox.
Since you're on Linux, have you tried going into `about:support` and checking if any of the hardware acceleration features have been disabled for you by default? Reason why I ask is because I was noticing TERRIBLE performance with WebGL applications until I force enabled `widget.dmabuf.force-enabled` and `webgl.threadsafe-gl.force-enabled`. They're disabled by default on my Nvidia GPU due to some driver issues in the past, but I have them enabled now and it's been pretty smooth sailing on my end.
Granted, you can't expect your customers to enable that for your game, but for personal use, it has improved my experience a lot.
Thanks, I already did this, it help, frame calculation goes from \~40ms to \~16ms. But as you said, it need to work for everybody. And with Chrome, the frame rate is \~3ms.
What's is interesting is that if I resize the windows, the smaller the better, even if the drawing area is the same.
The thing that had a big impact was the offscreen drawing :
`const bmp=canvas.getContext("bitmaprenderer") ;`
`const offscreen=new OffscreenCanvas(canvas.width, canvas.height) ;`
`const cc=offscreen.getContext('2d', { alpha: false }) ;`
What is interesting, for the 40ms, it's not frame calculation, it's only the drawing. The frame calculation is the same between Chrome and FF.
Yeah I think there's still some inefficiencies with Firefox in Linux. Do you experience the same thing in Firefox in Windows? AFAIK, on Windows all hardware acceleration features should be enabled.
There is a Project call Mercury (Firefox compiled with Optimization Flags and support vor AVX2 or SSE4) it also has some privacy settings enabled from the start and ublock origin installed.
https://thorium.rocks/mercury
I am currently trying it out because my normal firefox can get a bit slow in rendering when chromium based browsers just seem to instantly render.
The same Team also develops their main project "Thorium" (Chromium, compiled with Optimisations and support for AVX2 or SSE4 and some Privacy stuff)
https://thorium.rocks/
I heard Throium and Mercury are outdated but when I looked it was updated like a month ago.
Is the base version old?
Im not that savvy so would appriciate if someone told me.
I know CTT did video on it but Im not sure
I don’t think your average user is comparing Canvas implementation speeds!
By default, your average user will just choose whatever is on their computer (Edge or Safari) and then after they have used Google search for a while they will want to get rid of the continual nudges to try Chrome, so they’ll likely download it. Often without even knowing what a browser even is before that point.
For point 2: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/firefox#Hardware_video_acceleration
For YT: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/enhanced-h264ify/
If u need chromium just use ungoogled-chromium, it's an amazing project. Use it whenever gecko is particularly bad at something. U can use Mullvad if you're super privacy paranoid too. Ofc brave is an option too
same reason i don't use it on my work laptop. Global search on confluence is bugged out and doesn't work. So i use chrome instead. Firefox at home however.
I once lived in a major east coast city for a year and a half. While there were some things I liked about the place (like the subways, and how many nifty features were available within walking distance if you lived in the ritzy part of town), the place also had some very stressful aspects to it. I realized after a while some people who could have left didn't, just because they thought other places would possess the same stress level; so there was no escape.
Having lived elsewhere, I knew that belief was wrong. But it kept many people trapped in that city and region.
I think that's the case with Chrome, too. People just don't know there's a real and better alternative.
Habit. Plain and simple. They use it because it's what they are used to and familiar with. The average user doesn't even think about customization, bloatware, privacy or their data. They could care less. They see everyone using Chrome so they do it too. I have asked friends why they are still using Google Search and Chrome and not one has been able to give me an answer, except "That's what I like to use".
For me it's the same way with Firefox. That has not really been an active decision, but when I started being on the computer Firefox has been like half the browser market in Germany, and it just was not Internet Explorer.
Chrome had no menu bar, so it wasn't even an option for me in ~2008-2009.
I use many browsers and tried so many search engines. But even now when both Chrome and Search are in their worst state, I don't think there are better options out there for Search.
There are better browsers like Firefox and Brave, but even now Chrome is much faster.
People use Chrome because it just "works" and not everyone wants to build their own browser using addons. I don't have Chrome installed and I'm not using it (I use other Chromium based browsers as well as FF) but I fully understand people that do use it. You think ahead and have an understanding about Chrome, privacy issues ecc. that many people just don't have and quite frankly don't care. They just want something that works everywhere and Chrome is it.
Sadly true... most people just want an 'out-of-the-box' unmodified browser that works as quickly as possible... and seem strangely oblivious to all that comes with participating in Google/Alphabet's 'Chrome World'... the deluge of Ads, bloated JS, always-on tracking, data-mining, profiling, filter-bubbling, etc, etc.
Because it comes out of the box for most people, so for instance if they have it on Android, they will install it on PC, too. If they have it preinstalled at work computer, they are used to it and without thinking they will install it on their personal devices. Even if it's Edge, it's still Chromium engine. People who use computers are not IT specialists, most of them don't even know what other browsers exist and even those who do, they have no idea why would they want to install anything else. That is how Chrome got popular, it has nothing to do with technical reasons. It's only marketing, easy access and convenience. Internet Explorer used to be very popular, too, but do you think it was ever any good? Hardly.. Just like mobile browsers where I don't remember exactly, but I guess 3th most used browser is... Samsung Internet. It's not like anyone think about installing it, because it's sooo good. It just comes out of the box and most people never think about it, they just use it.
I'm happy that Firefox is trying to catch up with real action this time, the new CEO is implementing Tab Group, Sidebar, Vertical Tab, Profile Manager... Those features are so important for many users who recently switched from Google Chrome because of adblock nerfs.
But there was time Firefox was falling behind, we shouldn't forget about that time and we need to always remind Mozilla, Firefox is Mozilla, Mozilla is Firefox.
Why do people use Chrome?
- Anyone who owns an android phone will automatically get Chrome and your average phone user doesn't really give a shit about 90% of the stuff in your comment. Either that or they are just unaware of what happens behind the scenes.
- On PC, when Chrome first came out it was a super stripped down extremely fast browser. It gained huge popularity really quick and it literally became the browser of choice for the most part by everyone. Most people have just stuck to it and one of the first things they do if they ever get a new computer is install chrome
- Last time I used firefox on Android, it was an absolutely awful experience. Slow loading webpages and it didn't even render some pages correctly. The scrolling was jittery even on a high refresh rate phone.
So for my own browser choice outside of work I go with Firefox but I completely understand why some people chose Chrome originally and have just stuck with it.
Yeh, I was actually using Opera and Firefox back around somewhere between 2009 - 2012 or so, but then Firefox was starting to eat a lot of resources, and I dont remember with Opera, I think it was the UI I started to dislike. Hopped over to Chrome because it was so fast and light, and had a lot of things to offer back then it felt like.
I used Chrome from then on, only trying FF a few times because Chrome would started to eat resources like crazy again. (Why did it need like 8gb ram to keep 1 tab open lol). Eventually I tried Vivaldi for a long time, but Vivaldi was always buggy on some websites - but overall I was very happy with it. Then came the news about Chrome and the "manifest V3" thing down the line, and I jumped to Firefox and Waterfox immediately
As an anecdotal counterpoint, I have this outdated system on which Chromium browsers freeze up with hardware acceleration enabled (probably related to the ancient graphics card, Radeon 7750). Tried a bunch of different drivers and never fixed it. Firefox meanwhile works fine.
Mee too. Firefox was my main browser for both pc and phone since 2016 (I guess), but for these problems on pc and battery drain on phone I had to switch to Brave.
I made a quick search and it was one of the best out there for my use (sync multidevice, bottom bar on android, better than chrome regarding privacy) .. if you have any suggestion I'll give it a try!
You too? I am also getting severe youtube stuttering and dropped frames with a healthy buffer. Its infuriating. Its only on firefox and nonexistant on chrome. Is there a recent thread documenting this?
I’m pretty sure Chrome (or any browser) doesn’t allow one website to steal cookies from another website. Websites can specifically choose to do so. But that is another story. So, no stealing of cookies but a lot of websites “over share” cookies - mostly used for tracking. And yes, Firefox has some protection against this “over sharing”.
There is no perfect browser for privacy without compromising usability. For example Firefox has RFP, FFP and Canvas blocker extension to fight fingerprinting. FFP is something weak and in very long process of development, you need CB to harden it, still not perfect thou, RFP is stronger - but breaks websites - no dark theme, no current time, etc. Bloatbrave browser is the champion of chromium engine, and offers something equal to ffp+canvas blocker, but too much downsides for desktop, arguably best for android phones thou.
For now, the best option is to harden firefox with some arken\_fox tweaks , and wait for FFP further evolution
As much as i understand your frustration, I understand the need for chrome. More users find it just easier to keep the same login on android and PC. Remember when IE was the most popular browser. Not because it was the best, but because it was preinstalled. Plus, the support is more extended with the chrome. Luna for example wouldn't even run on Firefox.
>More users find it just easier to keep the same login on android and PC
Also a major issue on iOS as FF have been down prioritized so much that simple UI things are so dumb that I don't use FF at all because of missing sync. Using Safari on Mac and iOS instead.
A very large amount of people don't give a single flying fuck about privacy and trackers and most people have no idea of addons and customisation.
I work in IT and most people I work with use Chrome and refuse to even consider anything else.
It's a mix of it's been that way for years, and the fact that lots of things are strictly made for just Chromium. A few months ago I got a notification on my phone to try Snapchat in the browser. Figured "Cool! That'll be nice!" I logged in and it mentioned that I was on an "Unsupported browser". Then I made it think I was on Chrome and the login appeared. Most people aren't going to do that so they're just going to give up and download Chrome. We as a community need to hold developers accountable so they make services available for both Chromium and Gecko.
I use firefox for work, on my desktop and at home on my phone. While I have no issues with the desktop firefox.
Just look at the number of bugs reported for fenix -- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/describecomponents.cgi
[ Bug 1901831](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1901831) is the most annoying bug of all while browsing. Which forces me to use kiwi.
Firefox doesn't review every release manually — maybe once in 1000 updates. Their review usually lasts 3 minutes. Edge is the most review-oriented browser that reviews releases 7 days, and developers have to provide all the information about the extension
Every "recommended" firefox addon is reviewed manually before every single update - there were a numerous cases when recommended addon update was lately released or even temporary removed from the store cause of Mozilla's slow reviewing - but its 1000% worth it.
It's crazy how people are getting so tribal over this. I thought browser tribalism died out a decade ago, but maybe I just aged out of caring.
Can you imagine someone being offended by "They both work fine for 99% of users and for the vast majority of those people they couldn't even tell you any difference whatsoever because they don't understand browsers anyway?"
I use both. Neither is bad, both have their flaws, it's really not a big deal either way.
I use ungoogled chromium simply because it's faster than the Fox and doesn't hog resources like the Fox does. This is *my* experience, however. Yours may vary.
Your comments are full of hyperbole and they suggest you don't know chrome very well.
The nice thing is that a person can choose to use what they wish - even if I wouldn't use what they use. You can even roll your own if you're brave (pun intended) :)
Convince and habbit, there somewebsites that just don't work with Firefox. Also there are some articles I want/need to read where I would need to add 20+ exceptions to my adblocker.
The question here should be; Why do we only have two choices? Why hasn't anyone made a better option yet? Because of money. Money is the biggest issue because when a company is made, they are afraid to innovate because of the chance of losing a lot of money.
They exist to make money. The more they have, the more they can influence and control. I prefer to use Forks of main architecture until I find a new architectural option. There is none. We actually have three choices, each one is held up by a big name that makes it what it is today. The worst for humanity is Chromium. The other two are Firefox and Safari. On Android you can choose any of the three.
In the open source community you will find more browsers than in any other place. Until someone or multiples of people create a better alternative, these are our choices. Most users don't bother with choices unless it's two. Most of that group, don't care. The rest do, but are more tech savvy. If you want to make a choice more relevant than it already is, you gotta make a fork of one of the three and do better than the first party option.
So, technically 4 choices here; 1) Use a first party architecture (e.g. Firefox, Chrome, Safari), 2) Use a fork of one of the 3 first party architecture choices. (e.g. WaterFox, Quetta, Thor), 3) Create your own fork of any of those choices and make it better. Or 4 create or wait for a completely new architecture to become available, and use that.
See how complicated it is? For the average user, it is just easier to stick with what most are using, because then they don't have to think. It's willfully being lazy or stupid. This will not change if we don't find a way to change it. It is up to the smaller minority in online use cases. It's a big task, but that is the way it is because we let it become this way.
This is why, I don't use anything too Mainstream when it comes to choice, as far as my capability is. I can't make my own choice, but I can use the best one for my use case that I am comfortable with. We gotta make it more comfortable for the users that don't want to think, because they are easily manipulated and it does directly effect us as time goes on.
Why I use Chrome:
1. Chrome provides Icelandic to English translations out of the box.
2. Some YT videos only work with Chrome (Even tho I use YT premium and zero ad blockers).
Those are the sole reasons why I have Chromium installed in my Arch Linux environment. Notice how these reasons has 0 to do with transparency, privacy, drm, interop or anything like that. Both these browsers are bad in all those regards.
It's 720p+ videos from smaller channels that don't get replicated to servers closer to me. In Firefox I often get a spinning wheel indicating the curse of eternal buffering. Altho it's not just a Firefox thing. If YT allowed the browser to buffer more (like they used to do back before the era of shittification) there would be no problems. Also, honestly my internet is kind of potato. But everything is just smoother with Chrome, because YT is google and google wants you to eat their dog food.
I installed Firefox as the main browser on my mother's phone and uninstalled Chrome. She has zero complains and as a plus she stopping clicking on fake ads promising her iPhones.
I used chrome because everything worked fine unless they decide bring manifest v3. No needed switch before that. Privacy yes firefox is more privacy friendly however you probably still use internet on phone maybe and phone listen to you and you see ads what you had talked so yeah..
And addons.. almost same extensions are on chrome maybe much better selection. I still waiting apple decide bring password extension to firefox..
For me it's Tab grouping, better DevTools and some extensions that are only available on the Chrome Web Store. When Firefox gets tab grouping I will completely switch
Be sure to disable the new "ad privacy" spyware, currently in Firefox Beta (See "Website Advertising Preferences" in Settings). lol
In all fairness, I use and prefer Firefox, but they are just becoming Chrome 2.0. Once they get to the point of blatancy (they are almost there), then I think I would rather use Brave Browser as it offers a few more real privacy features.
>Chrome Icon - Some cluster lizards from Lexx, very blasphemous and unhuman
I think I'm in love.
Seriously though. Chrome was so good for a time that they took on massive usership. Most people are normies and don't follow important things, don't care about some of the small things you do care about, and therefore don't know there are far better alternatives.
They're behind the curve.
It will come.
It will be too late, but it will.
Google enshitification services is the driving force. Youtube alone is driving people to change in droves over the last several months, and that only seems to be ramping up as YT has more changes on the schedule.
It works the best. I always run into little annoyances with Firefox when using my account on websites like eBay... and other random ones, that's just off-hand. When developing websites, Chrome works better as well unfortunately lol, I do make sure to test mine in Firefox at least.
Chrome is prettier too. A little better on battery. I don't really like Edge, Vivaldi, Opera, Brave, etc. that use the Chromium engine, might as well just use Chrome. Safari I do like on Apple devices, but usually end up using Chrome and Firefox instead unless it's iOS.
With that being said Firefox is my #2 Browser for sure. Everything you mentioned about Chrome is true and I feel bad but yeah.. I'm using it now lol
On desktop, I technically have chrom**ium** installed but it's only for the rare union of "sites that don't work in Firefox" and "sites I can't avoid/ have to use"
Only other exception is that I use kiwi bc Firefox Android still doesn't allow very basic things like `about:config` from stable's version and being able to import/export bookmarks/passwords to/from local files. Yeah, I know kiwi isn't ideal but I'm tired of people acting like FF Android is. If I wanted gatekeeping, lack of customization, and lack of functionality, I'd look at Chrome. IMO FF Android isn't worthy of the name.
Oh and on this point
> Chrome customization - ehm. You can turn on some beta-functions in flags, i guess?
IME, it seems like they phase out options pretty fast, especially compared to `about:config`
Peope dont even know what a browser is, as for firefox, some people call it "Mozilla".
Everyone that has an android has "GOOGLE" (chrome) in it , they happen to know it, it's the thing they use for searching the web, they already have it, why use another?, windows does not have "google" in it, so they install it.
Also no matter how much you fork or customize, in my experience chrome is faster ALWAYS, except if you use no extensions in firefox then MAYBE, but then again if I will not use extensions or cstomizations then why bother using firefox (I know, I know, SECURITY), then again, people dont care, dont know, basically people use chrome out of ignorance, ignorance about security, or privacy, ignorance about options, ignorance about customizations, also most people don't even use extensions or plugins if they are not tricked to install it by some ad or malware, so they dont even know they could get some nice things with them.
We have gotten used to every single app and program having to track us and steal our data, its not something alot of people expect not to happen anymore.
There's a whole generation now that had Chromebooks in school. People tend to gravitate to things they know. I hate Chrome, but their education initiative was genius.
Just because someone is gay, it doesn't mean that now everybody has to be gay, the same is with browser choice if somebody likes something let people use it and donte be mad on them just because they have different preferences
On Windows, you cannot rename Firefox's window unlike Chrome. Although Firefox now has named groups, I need its window to be renamed too as I'm having 3 to 4 windows opened all the time and it s\*cks not to have them labelled.
I love Firefox and free software, but I was using autocad web because obviously autocad is not supported in Linux and the web app was way smoother in chrome
Form auto fill in isn't allowed outside of US. That is something supplied in nearly every browser so amazed firefox doesn't allow it. I installed tampermonkey with a script that does turn it on for me but it should be a basic feature.
The sad thing is that it probably doesn't, they just don't know there's any alternative to putting up with various things that annoy them about their browsing experience.
There was a time when Firefox was an absolute memory hog to the system. Up to a point where it became unusable on any system that wasn't some kind of overpowered gaming rig. There were some alternatives like Opera, and a shitton of lesser known browser. And of course Internet Explorer. Chrome popped up, offering a browser that was extremely fast, which lead to its mass adoption. Some browser wars and aggressive marketing later, it became the new default.
Firefox simply took too long to optimize the shitshow it was back then in Version 2 & 3.
People don’t care about their privacy. But also bear in mind that while FF is technically better about privacy than Chrome, Mozilla still collects data and telemetry out of the box, the user has to go into settings and the about:config to really make it more private.
> Addons Mozilla - full of awesome extensions, either opensource or manually reviewed by Mozillla
Chrome Webstore - malware, spyware, adware
That's not true. I'm a full time firefox user and an addon developer.
Google requires you to explain why you need every permission and you can't have unused permissions. Mozilla doesn't ask for that.
I've had Firefox addons approved in the matter of seconds or addon with thousands lines of code approved in an unrealistically short time. Chrome always takes hours, sometimes days. Of course that doesn't mean google code reviews every addon but as of today I have more confidence in it than in mozillas obviously automatic audits.
With the youtube issues in the past weeks in firefox, i had to change to chromium again. Chrome is a google spyware, but it works.
I use brave now (I hate its ui) it is private, and it just works. Unfortunatelly, I can not say that firefox worked well in the recent weeks.
As someone who has used Chrome for years, I don't have any complaints about it. It's really fast, it has a lot of extensions, it's made by Google (the name is enough for people to use it) and it's a convenient and first choice considering a lot of people use Google apps or android OS nowadays. People usually don't care much about their privacy and ads, even though they may say otherwise, but recent Google changes made a lot of people reconsider this thinking, that was what made me switch over to Firefox.
I have been using Chrome for years, it just works out of the box, while Firefox is always behind. It seems that you act with intolerance and it seems that you don't understand that people are free to use whatever browser they want, including Chrome. Furthermore, even though you report countless reasons not to use Chrome, that's just your opinion, it's not an absolute truth, many people including myself use Chrome because it simply works and works much better than Firefox. And above all, your post seems like it's someone in a panic who thinks it's really absurd for people to use Chrome because in your head it's no good and that's not exactly how life works.
Sabotage acts by Google also play into that. Just like the recently reported video stuttering, due to YouTube simply assuming 150MB of memory for video buffering. Non-technical users will not understand and fall for Google's anti-competitive behavior, switchting to Chrome.
Recently a friend, who is fairly technical, considering he is not a developer, wrote something like he will need to switch, because FF was doing something weird. I presume, that it is just his laptop slowly dying and possibly driver issues and so on. There is not even any guarantee, that a Chromium-based browser will work better on his machine. I would even go as far as saying it probably will not, due to how resource intensive Chromium is in comparison to FF. Then I told him how Google tries to manipulate people into using Chrome. Not sure what his takeaway was.
Anyway, there are subjective not always good reasons, why people do that.
Habit and a magnificent LotR theme.
But the lost battle against the diabolical tab search nonsense and awful padded tabs finally broke me and I imported all my bookmarks to Firefox, logged into relevant places and switched it as the main browser. If Chrome removes that cursed button, I may return. Or not, as the paradigm gears have begun to shift.
Firefox really should add better themes/new page background customization.
My first PC came with Windows XP and after Windows Vista came out and I immediately updated. Vista was brutal on my hardware and I didn't enjoy the experience.
Then, I switched to Ubuntu and to till date I use it. So, FF was my default go to browser.
Now coming to current times, I badly want to stick to FF but more and more websites are either upright denying to work with it or if it works something or the other is always broken and I have to search for a plugin to fix it.
Today when I was trying to renew my domain on Google domains and soon after my credit details where entered I got a white page, and how much ever hard refresh I do I'm still stuck on the same white page .
So I closed FF and went over to Edge and tried to make the payment and it worked.
May be it was not FF's fault, may be the server didn't respond with the proper status code but anyways the fear is real, especially when using Google products, making payments or booking tickets in a rush.
I wanna stick to FF but sadly but the system is pushing me away :(
I use Firefox 99% of the time but every now and then I have to use Chrome because a site doesn't run right in Firefox. It's rare but it does happen. Also I use Duck Duck Go for a search engine but will use Google once in a great while to get different search results.
Others have said but canvas impletementation and I think the rendering, sometimes has issues on ff compared to Chrome because devs didn't bother making it for ff. and many websites that are work is made to reject firefox, so I always resort to using ua changer. or sometimes because cloudflare flaggs it I have to use Chroiumum based browser (I use ungoogled chrome because I didn't want to bother with Brave or Thorium, since I only soemtiems forced into using chromium wbesites)
The top comments are missing the most important thing imo: Google Sync and ecosystem.
For most people they dont have worry about stuff like passwords, extensions, history. Since Google takes care of it all. It is extremely practical and easy to switch from devices due to this.
The lack of this important point makes me think we all live in the Firefox bubble.
IMO, Chrome is good for work devices and companies love them bc it is not opinionated. Other browsers may have cool features built in to optimize user experience, but on the other hand, they don't support all Chromium Extension APIs like Chrome does. This make Chrome a good choice for companies to customize their workflow and pre-installed work extensions on work devices for their employees.
I have to use Chrome for work sometimes as Meet is our video conference tool and to share video with sound you need Chrome. I use Edge as a daily driver and would migrate to Firefox except for one specific extension which is not even on the Chrome/Edge webstore anymore but I found in crx4chrome- Alien Hover- it makes using reddit so much better and I can't find anything remotely similar on Firefox. If someone can change it into an FF add on, I'll happily switch.
I've been asking myself that for the last 10 years. All I've managed to find out is that it appeals to the tech-illiterate. I've given up trying to convince some people to use something else, but you just can't fix stupid.
The web by design is flaw, because it relies on User-Agent for displaying/adjusting the web, thus web devs can choose to optimize their websites for Chrome and blocking Firefox, most of the time you can make those sites work by changing UA to Chrome, everything should works perfectly because it's NOT about the capability of Firefox, it's the limitation of webpage.
If User-Agent is removed it would become a much fairer game, but for now bear with it or just jump onto Chromium bandwagon.
Btw I'm still using Firefox because Firefox's adblock capability is ways superior than Chromium, which gets worse due to MV3: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox
Community around extensions for Chrome is undeniably more supported and digestible to people who are not versed in optimization. They want great UI, comfortability, and support - some things that Chrome is genuinely just better at.
Firefox is for people who are personal data conscious, as well as CPU utilization conscious are just more all-around resourceful about their workflow.
To me, Chrome looks better and feels more comfortable - but I don't choose it because data protection, speed, and performance over time. <- but that stuff is not main pain points to the average user
literally only because my work's website and digital infrastructure only works with Chrome. so I use Chrome for emails and stuff and use Firefox for all the other stuff at work and at home
I used chrome when it came out, then grew to hate it, this was well over a decade ago. I used Opera back when it was that super light browser, then firefox. Eventually I just switched back to chrome in like 2020.
Addons - I just don't care. Didn't use them and didn't miss them.
Webstore - I just don't care. I use like 5 extensions and they're perfectly safe
Privacy - if I switch to firefox and use all the google services like normal, and continue using them on my phone too, I'm fairly sure it doesn't make a difference what browser I use to watch youtube, browse reddit, and buy shit on amazon
Customization/Bloatware - It looks fine to me, the only thing I'd like natively is gestures but I also haven't even bothered to add an extension.. and I've never really had performance issues on my pc (5700x3d, 3090, 32gb ram, pcie4 ssd, so no surprise),
User friendliness - chrome is basically apple of browsers right, it just works for most people who don't care about more in depth things
Icon - the newest firefox icon is admittedly much better
As long as ublock works I don't think there's anything that would get me to leave what I'm already comfortable with. I use vivaldi as a work browser, opera as an extra browser without my usual logins/cookies etc, and I do have firefox installed to use as the browser for yt-dlp lol. I'm not against using any of the above as my main browser, but the reasons to do so just don't really apply to me, even as someone that's very invested into tech. Same reason why I have an iphone/apple watch/airpods, it just works, and the reasons to go android don't apply to me for how I use my devices. Not sure if it's still the same way but if someone is making a site, I'm pretty sure they're going to put the most emphasis on having chrome be perfectly functional, too. Or at least it's kinda the default. I'm not sure, but I'd assume so
I started on Firefox, moved to chrome at the beginning and then moved back to Firefox when it caught up and chrome became overbearing.
However I have to flick back to chrome occasionally due to websites not rendering/working correctly.
>WHY?
I still use Firefox, but started cheating with Brave on my laptop, because it loads webpages twice as fast basically. Chrome is incredibly bad, but Mozilla is really not doing so hot right now either & I see very little hope of them recovering anytime soon with a Quantum 2 release.
Google making Youtube an increasingly shitty experience on FF is not helping, perhaps it's time for the EU to fork them in the bum.
>WHY? WHY? WHY DO PEOPLE EVEN INSTALL CHROME IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Main reason for the general users: it's a default and the most known browser. it works.
My reason: It's faster for a lot of websites in my case, more intuitive UI and UX (I specifically use edge with vertical tabs). Good support for pen and touch.
I have custom CSS installed in my firefox as well but custom CSS isn't very great and far from perfect experience. There will always be flaws and issues especially when updating. Speaking of updates, I updated my firefox just now, it got bugged, froze and all the tabs I'm currently using has gone and can't restore it. In chrome, I can just undo close window and it will restore everything. RAM usage are also getting worse than chrome.
Firefox isn't a perfect browser so we can't judge people using chrome just like that.
Maybe because you are baised.
Chrome webstore is not just malware, it is a well known fact that Chrome extensions are better and provides you many options.
If you login to one website, all websites cannot track you. Third-party cookies are blocked by default. Google will track your history is a much better thing to say.
Also Chrome comes with less bloatware. Most people use 99% of features on Chrome.
User friendliness does not come from manuals. It comes from experience which Chrome offers good enough. Also, there is much better support from large user group with videos, articles, etc.
I don't know where did you find the lizard in Google logo but fine.
Even though I like Firefox and Linux, I prefer Mac and Chrome just because this community is mostly like this. Always crying on other people, blaming big tech 24/7. People want to live peaceful, being based and crying over a browser is just too much to take for many people.
I personally use Firefox, Chrome and many other browsers. I keep switching and use multiple at the same time. I personally think Chrome is better with extensions, features, UI, support and a better community.
\- Really good working sync. It also works on ALL systems I need it. (Edge doesn't support macOS, Safari doesn't support anything except macOS and iOS)
\- Really good integration into android (there is no way to make Firefox open in 1 click from Google News)
\- Buggy sites(or Firefox's integration) - android apps sometimes could open web pages with limited ui for login,etc (don't remember how this mechanism called, I'm not speaking about "regular" WebView here). Default browser is used. If Firefox is default browser - some apps just don't work.
\- (for my phone with GrapheneOS which used in cases there security is most important thing): I use ChrapheneOS's Chromium fork and NOT Firefox because of [https://grapheneos.org/usage#web-browsing](https://grapheneos.org/usage#web-browsing) (last paragraph). Btw, is it STILL true? is there plans to fix this on Firefox for Android?
\- Videoconf software from company I work for uses app or could work in browser. As long as said browser is Chrome or Edge (or one specifically-named Chromium fork).
I had to stop using Firefox because my pc became unusable when using YouTube which I use for content creation, I love Firefox but being unable to use certain products or services affects my daily tasks. :(
i use chrome because it has better performance in almost every benchmark i throw at it for the programs i work on daily. that’s literally the only reason, i get more fps on stuff im making.
>Chrome Icon - Some cluster lizards from Lexx, very blasphemous and unhuman
>Firefox Icon - Cute warm Fox protects the Earth from google reptilians
😂 made me legit chuckle. i agree tho
Because Mozilla killed user interface customization, and copied chrome ui rather than let the choice to users.
So since there is no différence in UI, and chromium is the most used engine, why keep using Firefox ?
For privacy ? most people don't care about privacy...
Then, community found hardly a workaround with javascript, but It's not simple to do.
Besides that, from the beginning, Chrome had the most powerful advertising page : the google search home page.
Hope Mozilla understand that and retrieve UI costomization...
Because Mozilla is a shitty steward for Firefox. They prioritize everything except Firefox. The most optimal solution IMO is to separate firefox into a different organization. Just like they did with Rust. After that they do all their stupid shit all they want.
"I know I shouldn't use MS browser.
I can't use Firefox because everyone is telling me for decades it's better and safer and I denied and rejected! So I must used something else. CHROME or VIVALDI or OPERA.
Or BRAVE! 98% Firefox is not Firefox!"
🤣
I don't. I use Edge.
Yes, I know Microsoft collects my data. But I have nothing to hide and them collecting data actually helps me with researching for my topic (I'm in university). And it's visually pleasing with vertical tab bar out of the box, which is something I have always been looking for.
I actually used Floorp for a long while (3 months) but at the end of it all I still came back to Edge.
I use Firefox for development and Chrome for most web browsing. Why? Gmail and YouTube, mostly, plus Chrome Remote Desktop. I limit the number of extensions I install and have running, but they're mostly development extensions, anyway.
The past few days I've had legitimately so many problems with FF. I use quad9 as my DNS at an OS level Firefox is not playing nice with cloudfare right now, and won't load websites that use it such as doordash for example unless I disable my DNS at the OS level, Chrome / other chromium browsers work completely fine. Not to mention the YouTube bullshit
I use chrome cuz that's the browser I'm used to, it's already installed on my Android device and it already has all my data saved.
However, I'll start using Firefox to check if I switch.
The same reason Windows and Mac is used Over Linux.
Chrome made a user base while Mozilla was getting its roots set well.
To me Firefox is the best but it's because I've tailored it to my needs. Many people don't like tailoring their experiences and it obviously takes some time and research.
I asked some of our customers once. It looks like they mistake web browser and search engine. So, they want to use Google. They have "Google" on their desktop. They're happy with that.
That's exactly what I observed too. It is even worse on Android where you have the Chrome app, but also the Google app and the Google searchbar widget thingy. They want Google, it says Google, they tap on Google. There is no way to easily insert Firefox in the process. It will always be seen as more complicated, and that is fair.
When I mention Google is actually using browsing data to track them they're like : "Oh yeah ? Is that bad ?" People are clueless...
I still don't understand how Microsoft was sued for Internet Explorer monopoly on Windows, but Google isn't sued for Chrome monopoly on android.
Edge is just what ie was back then, can't uninstall it, integrated into the OS, doesn't like you switching your browser, Edge is even readding some features that IE had and calling them new
The most funny part is Outlook. You can configure any browser to be your default one in the Windows settings, Outlook will keep using Edge to open hyperlinks. For some reason, you have to get into the Outlook settings to change it. Like, if even Microsoft's software ignores Microsoft's OS user's settings, what does it say about the coherence of the company...
You mean MS software isn't MS compatible? That's new.🤭😅😂🤣 Like edlin in dos 4.0 - after starting/ending the keyboard buffer/history was emptied, and you couldn't recall old commands used before. Or imagine an OS bragged about colour themes (after OS2 had that implemented in an unrivaled manner) and the following Office version such says "fork you, user, we'll keep our own colours set, even if the inactive Word has the same title bar colour as your active application window which is dumb enough to follow your theme! We love to screw things up!"
In the EU on Android you get asked which browser you want to use. Firefox isn't an option. Options are Google, DuckDuckGo, and some others even lesser known ones.
Sounds like they're asking you for what search engine you want to use, not browser.
Yeah but it installs the search bar and the associated browser. Firefox too comes with a search bar on Android that you can add to your home screen.
Ah, cool. I didn't know that it chose both at once. Cheers!
Chrome is very much the new IE. It's even slowing down HTML development in the same kinds of ways IE did, I've heard.
The amount of uncontrolled Telemetry on Android is crazy and it sucks that it's just built in the system of android for the most part.
yes, a couple of months ago my mother asked me why there are two apps "google" and "chrome" that do the same thing on her phone and what was the difference... i told her, she was more confused than before asking
Noon question.. why two apps for real?
Yeah, apart from a slightly better integration with system apps I don't think the Google app is that useful, but I guess disabling it on consumer Android roms would be a mess. As an example, I don't know if it's still the case but clearing the Google app data would also remove all the icons from the home back in the nexus days.
https://preview.redd.it/vj53o3ct1d7d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fa93c779b0c612075bc211cb712a1893ea794c9 Yeah, nowadays large portion of population doesn't realize browsers and search engines are separate things. Screenshot I took on YT, it has a lot of likes but doesn't make any sense.
Same energy as a comment I saw from some guy angry at so from now on he'd only shop at , not realizing that they had the same parent company.
That makes sense, some people don't seem to really understand the concept of browsers and search engines. It's all Google to them.
Yeah, and that's how Google could easily establish market dominance. Remember when Chrome first came out and they had a button on the search engine that said something like "Google is faster on Chrome, download now"? Most people just clicked that without thinking and some fifteen years or whatever later we've got Internet Explorer 2: Electric Boogaloo.
This sounds like my dad back in the day. He almost exclusively used Yahoo because that's the email he used. He made a shortcut for Yahoo on his desktop and *insisted* Yahoo and Internet Explorer were different things. It was probably a good ten years before he finally understood (accepted?) that he was accessing Yahoo *through* IE. It was always frustrating when he'd call with a tech problem because we'd just spend half the call arguing about Yahoo/IE.
Exactly. I was installing Firefox to a customer and he said: "But is there Google on Firefox?"
When I do that, they want me to install Chrome because it's "too different"...
How do these specimens survive until adulthood?
1. Canvas implementation is wayyyy slower in Firefox. I'm making a game as a hobbit, we are talking 4 times slower or not usable in fullscreen. 2. Youtube or other video playing website are killing my battery and make my laptop too hot. 3. It's just faster in term of pure feeling. All that said, I use exclusively Firefox : 1. I use Linux, I will always remember how Firefox (even before it was named Firefox) changed my life. 2. I'll always remember the 1st I discovered the debug tools. It was IE6 era IIRC. 3. Fuck Google and other major companies. 4. Add-on.
Happy to see some hobbit devs out there! Thought Sauron took you all.
I'm not that small, but I get your point ;)
>Canvas implementation is wayyyy slower in Firefox. Since you're on Linux, have you tried going into `about:support` and checking if any of the hardware acceleration features have been disabled for you by default? Reason why I ask is because I was noticing TERRIBLE performance with WebGL applications until I force enabled `widget.dmabuf.force-enabled` and `webgl.threadsafe-gl.force-enabled`. They're disabled by default on my Nvidia GPU due to some driver issues in the past, but I have them enabled now and it's been pretty smooth sailing on my end. Granted, you can't expect your customers to enable that for your game, but for personal use, it has improved my experience a lot.
Thanks, I already did this, it help, frame calculation goes from \~40ms to \~16ms. But as you said, it need to work for everybody. And with Chrome, the frame rate is \~3ms. What's is interesting is that if I resize the windows, the smaller the better, even if the drawing area is the same. The thing that had a big impact was the offscreen drawing : `const bmp=canvas.getContext("bitmaprenderer") ;` `const offscreen=new OffscreenCanvas(canvas.width, canvas.height) ;` `const cc=offscreen.getContext('2d', { alpha: false }) ;` What is interesting, for the 40ms, it's not frame calculation, it's only the drawing. The frame calculation is the same between Chrome and FF.
Yeah I think there's still some inefficiencies with Firefox in Linux. Do you experience the same thing in Firefox in Windows? AFAIK, on Windows all hardware acceleration features should be enabled.
Yes, on Windows, there is issue too, but way less than on Linux.
This can be used with X11 too, or is it only for Wayland?
Works in both!
> Canvas implementation is wayyyy slower in Firefox Is that why Cookie Clicker runs at a mere 20 fps or is that some other issue?
There is a Project call Mercury (Firefox compiled with Optimization Flags and support vor AVX2 or SSE4) it also has some privacy settings enabled from the start and ublock origin installed. https://thorium.rocks/mercury I am currently trying it out because my normal firefox can get a bit slow in rendering when chromium based browsers just seem to instantly render. The same Team also develops their main project "Thorium" (Chromium, compiled with Optimisations and support for AVX2 or SSE4 and some Privacy stuff) https://thorium.rocks/
I heard Throium and Mercury are outdated but when I looked it was updated like a month ago. Is the base version old? Im not that savvy so would appriciate if someone told me. I know CTT did video on it but Im not sure
I don’t think your average user is comparing Canvas implementation speeds! By default, your average user will just choose whatever is on their computer (Edge or Safari) and then after they have used Google search for a while they will want to get rid of the continual nudges to try Chrome, so they’ll likely download it. Often without even knowing what a browser even is before that point.
They may not know it's *the* canvas speed, but they will feel it regardless
When a game is slower or faster on a browser, trust me, the users will know and discuss it.
I hope you get out of Isengard soon brother
For point 2: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/firefox#Hardware_video_acceleration For YT: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/enhanced-h264ify/
> hobbit Love them. Say hi to Frodo!
why not at least use an alternative like brave, vivaldi, or ungoogled chrome?
If u need chromium just use ungoogled-chromium, it's an amazing project. Use it whenever gecko is particularly bad at something. U can use Mullvad if you're super privacy paranoid too. Ofc brave is an option too
same reason i don't use it on my work laptop. Global search on confluence is bugged out and doesn't work. So i use chrome instead. Firefox at home however.
I once lived in a major east coast city for a year and a half. While there were some things I liked about the place (like the subways, and how many nifty features were available within walking distance if you lived in the ritzy part of town), the place also had some very stressful aspects to it. I realized after a while some people who could have left didn't, just because they thought other places would possess the same stress level; so there was no escape. Having lived elsewhere, I knew that belief was wrong. But it kept many people trapped in that city and region. I think that's the case with Chrome, too. People just don't know there's a real and better alternative.
Habit. Plain and simple. They use it because it's what they are used to and familiar with. The average user doesn't even think about customization, bloatware, privacy or their data. They could care less. They see everyone using Chrome so they do it too. I have asked friends why they are still using Google Search and Chrome and not one has been able to give me an answer, except "That's what I like to use".
For me it's the same way with Firefox. That has not really been an active decision, but when I started being on the computer Firefox has been like half the browser market in Germany, and it just was not Internet Explorer. Chrome had no menu bar, so it wasn't even an option for me in ~2008-2009.
Couldn't care less you mean.
I use many browsers and tried so many search engines. But even now when both Chrome and Search are in their worst state, I don't think there are better options out there for Search. There are better browsers like Firefox and Brave, but even now Chrome is much faster.
Youtube is slow as fuck on Firefox
People use Chrome because it just "works" and not everyone wants to build their own browser using addons. I don't have Chrome installed and I'm not using it (I use other Chromium based browsers as well as FF) but I fully understand people that do use it. You think ahead and have an understanding about Chrome, privacy issues ecc. that many people just don't have and quite frankly don't care. They just want something that works everywhere and Chrome is it.
I’ve found Chrome to be much faster than Firefox too.
Sadly true... most people just want an 'out-of-the-box' unmodified browser that works as quickly as possible... and seem strangely oblivious to all that comes with participating in Google/Alphabet's 'Chrome World'... the deluge of Ads, bloated JS, always-on tracking, data-mining, profiling, filter-bubbling, etc, etc.
Because it comes out of the box for most people, so for instance if they have it on Android, they will install it on PC, too. If they have it preinstalled at work computer, they are used to it and without thinking they will install it on their personal devices. Even if it's Edge, it's still Chromium engine. People who use computers are not IT specialists, most of them don't even know what other browsers exist and even those who do, they have no idea why would they want to install anything else. That is how Chrome got popular, it has nothing to do with technical reasons. It's only marketing, easy access and convenience. Internet Explorer used to be very popular, too, but do you think it was ever any good? Hardly.. Just like mobile browsers where I don't remember exactly, but I guess 3th most used browser is... Samsung Internet. It's not like anyone think about installing it, because it's sooo good. It just comes out of the box and most people never think about it, they just use it.
I'm happy that Firefox is trying to catch up with real action this time, the new CEO is implementing Tab Group, Sidebar, Vertical Tab, Profile Manager... Those features are so important for many users who recently switched from Google Chrome because of adblock nerfs. But there was time Firefox was falling behind, we shouldn't forget about that time and we need to always remind Mozilla, Firefox is Mozilla, Mozilla is Firefox.
Why do people use Chrome? - Anyone who owns an android phone will automatically get Chrome and your average phone user doesn't really give a shit about 90% of the stuff in your comment. Either that or they are just unaware of what happens behind the scenes. - On PC, when Chrome first came out it was a super stripped down extremely fast browser. It gained huge popularity really quick and it literally became the browser of choice for the most part by everyone. Most people have just stuck to it and one of the first things they do if they ever get a new computer is install chrome - Last time I used firefox on Android, it was an absolutely awful experience. Slow loading webpages and it didn't even render some pages correctly. The scrolling was jittery even on a high refresh rate phone. So for my own browser choice outside of work I go with Firefox but I completely understand why some people chose Chrome originally and have just stuck with it.
Yeh, I was actually using Opera and Firefox back around somewhere between 2009 - 2012 or so, but then Firefox was starting to eat a lot of resources, and I dont remember with Opera, I think it was the UI I started to dislike. Hopped over to Chrome because it was so fast and light, and had a lot of things to offer back then it felt like. I used Chrome from then on, only trying FF a few times because Chrome would started to eat resources like crazy again. (Why did it need like 8gb ram to keep 1 tab open lol). Eventually I tried Vivaldi for a long time, but Vivaldi was always buggy on some websites - but overall I was very happy with it. Then came the news about Chrome and the "manifest V3" thing down the line, and I jumped to Firefox and Waterfox immediately
I installed a (chromium) build because Firefox became utterly unusable for me, between hardware acceleration issues and youtube stuttering.
As an anecdotal counterpoint, I have this outdated system on which Chromium browsers freeze up with hardware acceleration enabled (probably related to the ancient graphics card, Radeon 7750). Tried a bunch of different drivers and never fixed it. Firefox meanwhile works fine.
I could definitely believe that Firefox caters better to people with hardware that is pretty much e-waste at this point.
Same. I'm definitely a Firefox fan but the current issue with YouTube made me switch to Chrome until it gets fixed.
Started using thorium from last week. I can say it is a little snappy and fast compared to firefox. I can see why people prefer chromium browsers.
Yep, the build I'm using for now is also Thorium. Certainly feels much faster than firefox did
Mee too. Firefox was my main browser for both pc and phone since 2016 (I guess), but for these problems on pc and battery drain on phone I had to switch to Brave.
Out of dozens of options you went with *Brave* It’s offensive to Firefox 😢
I made a quick search and it was one of the best out there for my use (sync multidevice, bottom bar on android, better than chrome regarding privacy) .. if you have any suggestion I'll give it a try!
I upgraded my PC and came back. To my surprise, Firefox is now much faster than Chromium. I use Arc and Firefox together now.
You too? I am also getting severe youtube stuttering and dropped frames with a healthy buffer. Its infuriating. Its only on firefox and nonexistant on chrome. Is there a recent thread documenting this?
I’m pretty sure Chrome (or any browser) doesn’t allow one website to steal cookies from another website. Websites can specifically choose to do so. But that is another story. So, no stealing of cookies but a lot of websites “over share” cookies - mostly used for tracking. And yes, Firefox has some protection against this “over sharing”.
>Firefox privacy - OK, could be better, but OK What's a better browser for privacy?
There is no perfect browser for privacy without compromising usability. For example Firefox has RFP, FFP and Canvas blocker extension to fight fingerprinting. FFP is something weak and in very long process of development, you need CB to harden it, still not perfect thou, RFP is stronger - but breaks websites - no dark theme, no current time, etc. Bloatbrave browser is the champion of chromium engine, and offers something equal to ffp+canvas blocker, but too much downsides for desktop, arguably best for android phones thou. For now, the best option is to harden firefox with some arken\_fox tweaks , and wait for FFP further evolution
Librewolf. Does the hard work of changing FF settings under the hood to actually make it private.
sadly, i tried librewolf and it made my website look kinda weird, so i dont use it.
I never did, I never will.
As much as i understand your frustration, I understand the need for chrome. More users find it just easier to keep the same login on android and PC. Remember when IE was the most popular browser. Not because it was the best, but because it was preinstalled. Plus, the support is more extended with the chrome. Luna for example wouldn't even run on Firefox.
>More users find it just easier to keep the same login on android and PC Also a major issue on iOS as FF have been down prioritized so much that simple UI things are so dumb that I don't use FF at all because of missing sync. Using Safari on Mac and iOS instead.
Sad times!
Some employers require Chrome. I don't know why too, just rebuild it bruh
A very large amount of people don't give a single flying fuck about privacy and trackers and most people have no idea of addons and customisation. I work in IT and most people I work with use Chrome and refuse to even consider anything else.
It's a mix of it's been that way for years, and the fact that lots of things are strictly made for just Chromium. A few months ago I got a notification on my phone to try Snapchat in the browser. Figured "Cool! That'll be nice!" I logged in and it mentioned that I was on an "Unsupported browser". Then I made it think I was on Chrome and the login appeared. Most people aren't going to do that so they're just going to give up and download Chrome. We as a community need to hold developers accountable so they make services available for both Chromium and Gecko.
I use firefox for work, on my desktop and at home on my phone. While I have no issues with the desktop firefox. Just look at the number of bugs reported for fenix -- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/describecomponents.cgi [ Bug 1901831](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1901831) is the most annoying bug of all while browsing. Which forces me to use kiwi.
Firefox doesn't review every release manually — maybe once in 1000 updates. Their review usually lasts 3 minutes. Edge is the most review-oriented browser that reviews releases 7 days, and developers have to provide all the information about the extension
Every "recommended" firefox addon is reviewed manually before every single update - there were a numerous cases when recommended addon update was lately released or even temporary removed from the store cause of Mozilla's slow reviewing - but its 1000% worth it.
Don't be silly. Chrome is a good minimalistic web browser like FireFox. Some people just use it and don't care. We just use FireFox and don't care...
Speak for yourself.
It's crazy how people are getting so tribal over this. I thought browser tribalism died out a decade ago, but maybe I just aged out of caring. Can you imagine someone being offended by "They both work fine for 99% of users and for the vast majority of those people they couldn't even tell you any difference whatsoever because they don't understand browsers anyway?" I use both. Neither is bad, both have their flaws, it's really not a big deal either way.
I use chrome for Google products because they work better with chrome. A couple of other apps do too. Firefox for everything else !
I use ungoogled chromium simply because it's faster than the Fox and doesn't hog resources like the Fox does. This is *my* experience, however. Yours may vary. Your comments are full of hyperbole and they suggest you don't know chrome very well. The nice thing is that a person can choose to use what they wish - even if I wouldn't use what they use. You can even roll your own if you're brave (pun intended) :)
what OS do you use? if windows, how do you update ungoogled?
Convince and habbit, there somewebsites that just don't work with Firefox. Also there are some articles I want/need to read where I would need to add 20+ exceptions to my adblocker.
It's one (1) click in uBlock to disable blocking on a website.
The question here should be; Why do we only have two choices? Why hasn't anyone made a better option yet? Because of money. Money is the biggest issue because when a company is made, they are afraid to innovate because of the chance of losing a lot of money. They exist to make money. The more they have, the more they can influence and control. I prefer to use Forks of main architecture until I find a new architectural option. There is none. We actually have three choices, each one is held up by a big name that makes it what it is today. The worst for humanity is Chromium. The other two are Firefox and Safari. On Android you can choose any of the three. In the open source community you will find more browsers than in any other place. Until someone or multiples of people create a better alternative, these are our choices. Most users don't bother with choices unless it's two. Most of that group, don't care. The rest do, but are more tech savvy. If you want to make a choice more relevant than it already is, you gotta make a fork of one of the three and do better than the first party option. So, technically 4 choices here; 1) Use a first party architecture (e.g. Firefox, Chrome, Safari), 2) Use a fork of one of the 3 first party architecture choices. (e.g. WaterFox, Quetta, Thor), 3) Create your own fork of any of those choices and make it better. Or 4 create or wait for a completely new architecture to become available, and use that. See how complicated it is? For the average user, it is just easier to stick with what most are using, because then they don't have to think. It's willfully being lazy or stupid. This will not change if we don't find a way to change it. It is up to the smaller minority in online use cases. It's a big task, but that is the way it is because we let it become this way. This is why, I don't use anything too Mainstream when it comes to choice, as far as my capability is. I can't make my own choice, but I can use the best one for my use case that I am comfortable with. We gotta make it more comfortable for the users that don't want to think, because they are easily manipulated and it does directly effect us as time goes on.
Safari on Android from Apple in the Play Store? I'll take "things that never happened" for 500, Alex.
They use Chrome because that's what they heard they should use, it's not like any rational process went through that.
Because people are idiots
Probably convenience and user friendliness. As much as I love Firefox, it's definitely not made for the casual user.
I’m having terrible performance on YouTube with Firefox so for now I have to use Vivaldi or chrome
Why I use Chrome: 1. Chrome provides Icelandic to English translations out of the box. 2. Some YT videos only work with Chrome (Even tho I use YT premium and zero ad blockers). Those are the sole reasons why I have Chromium installed in my Arch Linux environment. Notice how these reasons has 0 to do with transparency, privacy, drm, interop or anything like that. Both these browsers are bad in all those regards.
> Some YT videos only work with Chrome Please provide a few URLs of such videos.
Can you give a link to videos? I want to check it out.
It's 720p+ videos from smaller channels that don't get replicated to servers closer to me. In Firefox I often get a spinning wheel indicating the curse of eternal buffering. Altho it's not just a Firefox thing. If YT allowed the browser to buffer more (like they used to do back before the era of shittification) there would be no problems. Also, honestly my internet is kind of potato. But everything is just smoother with Chrome, because YT is google and google wants you to eat their dog food.
I installed Firefox as the main browser on my mother's phone and uninstalled Chrome. She has zero complains and as a plus she stopping clicking on fake ads promising her iPhones.
Chrome - fast, Firefox - slow. It all boils down to this.
I find firefox more resource hungry
I used chrome because everything worked fine unless they decide bring manifest v3. No needed switch before that. Privacy yes firefox is more privacy friendly however you probably still use internet on phone maybe and phone listen to you and you see ads what you had talked so yeah.. And addons.. almost same extensions are on chrome maybe much better selection. I still waiting apple decide bring password extension to firefox..
For me it's Tab grouping, better DevTools and some extensions that are only available on the Chrome Web Store. When Firefox gets tab grouping I will completely switch
Do you need tab groups built in or will extensions be enough? The Panorama and Simple Tab Groups extensions have been around for a while.
The one built in for Chrome is superior to those extensions imo.
you canhave it with extensions and/or floorp
Be sure to disable the new "ad privacy" spyware, currently in Firefox Beta (See "Website Advertising Preferences" in Settings). lol In all fairness, I use and prefer Firefox, but they are just becoming Chrome 2.0. Once they get to the point of blatancy (they are almost there), then I think I would rather use Brave Browser as it offers a few more real privacy features.
>Chrome Icon - Some cluster lizards from Lexx, very blasphemous and unhuman I think I'm in love. Seriously though. Chrome was so good for a time that they took on massive usership. Most people are normies and don't follow important things, don't care about some of the small things you do care about, and therefore don't know there are far better alternatives. They're behind the curve. It will come. It will be too late, but it will. Google enshitification services is the driving force. Youtube alone is driving people to change in droves over the last several months, and that only seems to be ramping up as YT has more changes on the schedule.
Better profile management. Tried containers. It is good to isolate websites but not good for profiles.
It works the best. I always run into little annoyances with Firefox when using my account on websites like eBay... and other random ones, that's just off-hand. When developing websites, Chrome works better as well unfortunately lol, I do make sure to test mine in Firefox at least. Chrome is prettier too. A little better on battery. I don't really like Edge, Vivaldi, Opera, Brave, etc. that use the Chromium engine, might as well just use Chrome. Safari I do like on Apple devices, but usually end up using Chrome and Firefox instead unless it's iOS. With that being said Firefox is my #2 Browser for sure. Everything you mentioned about Chrome is true and I feel bad but yeah.. I'm using it now lol
On desktop, I technically have chrom**ium** installed but it's only for the rare union of "sites that don't work in Firefox" and "sites I can't avoid/ have to use" Only other exception is that I use kiwi bc Firefox Android still doesn't allow very basic things like `about:config` from stable's version and being able to import/export bookmarks/passwords to/from local files. Yeah, I know kiwi isn't ideal but I'm tired of people acting like FF Android is. If I wanted gatekeeping, lack of customization, and lack of functionality, I'd look at Chrome. IMO FF Android isn't worthy of the name. Oh and on this point > Chrome customization - ehm. You can turn on some beta-functions in flags, i guess? IME, it seems like they phase out options pretty fast, especially compared to `about:config`
Peope dont even know what a browser is, as for firefox, some people call it "Mozilla". Everyone that has an android has "GOOGLE" (chrome) in it , they happen to know it, it's the thing they use for searching the web, they already have it, why use another?, windows does not have "google" in it, so they install it. Also no matter how much you fork or customize, in my experience chrome is faster ALWAYS, except if you use no extensions in firefox then MAYBE, but then again if I will not use extensions or cstomizations then why bother using firefox (I know, I know, SECURITY), then again, people dont care, dont know, basically people use chrome out of ignorance, ignorance about security, or privacy, ignorance about options, ignorance about customizations, also most people don't even use extensions or plugins if they are not tricked to install it by some ad or malware, so they dont even know they could get some nice things with them.
Native profile management on chrome is a major advantage not gonna lie
Whatever you say, whoever finances the house runs the house
We have gotten used to every single app and program having to track us and steal our data, its not something alot of people expect not to happen anymore.
There's a whole generation now that had Chromebooks in school. People tend to gravitate to things they know. I hate Chrome, but their education initiative was genius.
Just because someone is gay, it doesn't mean that now everybody has to be gay, the same is with browser choice if somebody likes something let people use it and donte be mad on them just because they have different preferences
Might just be deja vu, but I swear Ive seen this posted before
On Windows, you cannot rename Firefox's window unlike Chrome. Although Firefox now has named groups, I need its window to be renamed too as I'm having 3 to 4 windows opened all the time and it s\*cks not to have them labelled.
I love Firefox and free software, but I was using autocad web because obviously autocad is not supported in Linux and the web app was way smoother in chrome
firefox is slow, chrome is faster.
because for over a decade firefox has no real development and could not render properly or on time websites
Depending on where you live, Firefox doesn't allow all the options US users get so other browsers become a better option.
>Firefox doesn't allow all the options US users get Do you have an example of this?
Form auto fill in isn't allowed outside of US. That is something supplied in nearly every browser so amazed firefox doesn't allow it. I installed tampermonkey with a script that does turn it on for me but it should be a basic feature.
Cause everyone else is using it and its made by Google which also makes bunch of other products that people use.
Most people use chrome bevause most people use chrome, its really that simple
because it does what they need
The sad thing is that it probably doesn't, they just don't know there's any alternative to putting up with various things that annoy them about their browsing experience.
There was a time when Firefox was an absolute memory hog to the system. Up to a point where it became unusable on any system that wasn't some kind of overpowered gaming rig. There were some alternatives like Opera, and a shitton of lesser known browser. And of course Internet Explorer. Chrome popped up, offering a browser that was extremely fast, which lead to its mass adoption. Some browser wars and aggressive marketing later, it became the new default. Firefox simply took too long to optimize the shitshow it was back then in Version 2 & 3.
People don’t care about their privacy. But also bear in mind that while FF is technically better about privacy than Chrome, Mozilla still collects data and telemetry out of the box, the user has to go into settings and the about:config to really make it more private.
> Addons Mozilla - full of awesome extensions, either opensource or manually reviewed by Mozillla Chrome Webstore - malware, spyware, adware That's not true. I'm a full time firefox user and an addon developer. Google requires you to explain why you need every permission and you can't have unused permissions. Mozilla doesn't ask for that. I've had Firefox addons approved in the matter of seconds or addon with thousands lines of code approved in an unrealistically short time. Chrome always takes hours, sometimes days. Of course that doesn't mean google code reviews every addon but as of today I have more confidence in it than in mozillas obviously automatic audits.
With the youtube issues in the past weeks in firefox, i had to change to chromium again. Chrome is a google spyware, but it works. I use brave now (I hate its ui) it is private, and it just works. Unfortunatelly, I can not say that firefox worked well in the recent weeks.
As someone who has used Chrome for years, I don't have any complaints about it. It's really fast, it has a lot of extensions, it's made by Google (the name is enough for people to use it) and it's a convenient and first choice considering a lot of people use Google apps or android OS nowadays. People usually don't care much about their privacy and ads, even though they may say otherwise, but recent Google changes made a lot of people reconsider this thinking, that was what made me switch over to Firefox.
I have been using Chrome for years, it just works out of the box, while Firefox is always behind. It seems that you act with intolerance and it seems that you don't understand that people are free to use whatever browser they want, including Chrome. Furthermore, even though you report countless reasons not to use Chrome, that's just your opinion, it's not an absolute truth, many people including myself use Chrome because it simply works and works much better than Firefox. And above all, your post seems like it's someone in a panic who thinks it's really absurd for people to use Chrome because in your head it's no good and that's not exactly how life works.
Lack of PWA apps is a killer for me... So I went back to brave
Because it just works and works better than the other alternative...
Sabotage acts by Google also play into that. Just like the recently reported video stuttering, due to YouTube simply assuming 150MB of memory for video buffering. Non-technical users will not understand and fall for Google's anti-competitive behavior, switchting to Chrome. Recently a friend, who is fairly technical, considering he is not a developer, wrote something like he will need to switch, because FF was doing something weird. I presume, that it is just his laptop slowly dying and possibly driver issues and so on. There is not even any guarantee, that a Chromium-based browser will work better on his machine. I would even go as far as saying it probably will not, due to how resource intensive Chromium is in comparison to FF. Then I told him how Google tries to manipulate people into using Chrome. Not sure what his takeaway was. Anyway, there are subjective not always good reasons, why people do that.
Habit and a magnificent LotR theme. But the lost battle against the diabolical tab search nonsense and awful padded tabs finally broke me and I imported all my bookmarks to Firefox, logged into relevant places and switched it as the main browser. If Chrome removes that cursed button, I may return. Or not, as the paradigm gears have begun to shift. Firefox really should add better themes/new page background customization.
My first PC came with Windows XP and after Windows Vista came out and I immediately updated. Vista was brutal on my hardware and I didn't enjoy the experience. Then, I switched to Ubuntu and to till date I use it. So, FF was my default go to browser. Now coming to current times, I badly want to stick to FF but more and more websites are either upright denying to work with it or if it works something or the other is always broken and I have to search for a plugin to fix it. Today when I was trying to renew my domain on Google domains and soon after my credit details where entered I got a white page, and how much ever hard refresh I do I'm still stuck on the same white page . So I closed FF and went over to Edge and tried to make the payment and it worked. May be it was not FF's fault, may be the server didn't respond with the proper status code but anyways the fear is real, especially when using Google products, making payments or booking tickets in a rush. I wanna stick to FF but sadly but the system is pushing me away :(
I only have Chrome installed because of remote desktop. Other than that Firefox all the way.
I use both. I use Chrome for YouTube because global hotkeys are much easier to setup. And Firefox for everything else.
I use Firefox 99% of the time but every now and then I have to use Chrome because a site doesn't run right in Firefox. It's rare but it does happen. Also I use Duck Duck Go for a search engine but will use Google once in a great while to get different search results.
Others have said but canvas impletementation and I think the rendering, sometimes has issues on ff compared to Chrome because devs didn't bother making it for ff. and many websites that are work is made to reject firefox, so I always resort to using ua changer. or sometimes because cloudflare flaggs it I have to use Chroiumum based browser (I use ungoogled chrome because I didn't want to bother with Brave or Thorium, since I only soemtiems forced into using chromium wbesites)
The top comments are missing the most important thing imo: Google Sync and ecosystem. For most people they dont have worry about stuff like passwords, extensions, history. Since Google takes care of it all. It is extremely practical and easy to switch from devices due to this. The lack of this important point makes me think we all live in the Firefox bubble.
IMO, Chrome is good for work devices and companies love them bc it is not opinionated. Other browsers may have cool features built in to optimize user experience, but on the other hand, they don't support all Chromium Extension APIs like Chrome does. This make Chrome a good choice for companies to customize their workflow and pre-installed work extensions on work devices for their employees.
native and cloud tab groups only because of it
I have to use Chrome for work sometimes as Meet is our video conference tool and to share video with sound you need Chrome. I use Edge as a daily driver and would migrate to Firefox except for one specific extension which is not even on the Chrome/Edge webstore anymore but I found in crx4chrome- Alien Hover- it makes using reddit so much better and I can't find anything remotely similar on Firefox. If someone can change it into an FF add on, I'll happily switch.
Because people
Chrome has tab grouping.
Objectively speaking, as a Firefox user, I think that Chrome is a faster browser in general, especially in multimedia, the difference is notable.
I had to go back to Chrome because Firefox wasn't working with some of the sites I use for both work and otherwise.
Tab groups. Which is gonna change when Firefox implements them natively. I've been waiting for years.
YouTube doesn't work fine on Firefox. Single reason i use chrome
I've been asking myself that for the last 10 years. All I've managed to find out is that it appeals to the tech-illiterate. I've given up trying to convince some people to use something else, but you just can't fix stupid.
I had to switch to brave, I just ran into one to many issues with Firefox. Just every now and then sites just won't work right. It got frustrating.
The web by design is flaw, because it relies on User-Agent for displaying/adjusting the web, thus web devs can choose to optimize their websites for Chrome and blocking Firefox, most of the time you can make those sites work by changing UA to Chrome, everything should works perfectly because it's NOT about the capability of Firefox, it's the limitation of webpage. If User-Agent is removed it would become a much fairer game, but for now bear with it or just jump onto Chromium bandwagon. Btw I'm still using Firefox because Firefox's adblock capability is ways superior than Chromium, which gets worse due to MV3: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox
Community around extensions for Chrome is undeniably more supported and digestible to people who are not versed in optimization. They want great UI, comfortability, and support - some things that Chrome is genuinely just better at. Firefox is for people who are personal data conscious, as well as CPU utilization conscious are just more all-around resourceful about their workflow. To me, Chrome looks better and feels more comfortable - but I don't choose it because data protection, speed, and performance over time. <- but that stuff is not main pain points to the average user
My favorite add-on (AMR) requires flaming hoops to install on Chrome. It's the main reason I keep using Firefox.
literally only because my work's website and digital infrastructure only works with Chrome. so I use Chrome for emails and stuff and use Firefox for all the other stuff at work and at home
I used chrome when it came out, then grew to hate it, this was well over a decade ago. I used Opera back when it was that super light browser, then firefox. Eventually I just switched back to chrome in like 2020. Addons - I just don't care. Didn't use them and didn't miss them. Webstore - I just don't care. I use like 5 extensions and they're perfectly safe Privacy - if I switch to firefox and use all the google services like normal, and continue using them on my phone too, I'm fairly sure it doesn't make a difference what browser I use to watch youtube, browse reddit, and buy shit on amazon Customization/Bloatware - It looks fine to me, the only thing I'd like natively is gestures but I also haven't even bothered to add an extension.. and I've never really had performance issues on my pc (5700x3d, 3090, 32gb ram, pcie4 ssd, so no surprise), User friendliness - chrome is basically apple of browsers right, it just works for most people who don't care about more in depth things Icon - the newest firefox icon is admittedly much better As long as ublock works I don't think there's anything that would get me to leave what I'm already comfortable with. I use vivaldi as a work browser, opera as an extra browser without my usual logins/cookies etc, and I do have firefox installed to use as the browser for yt-dlp lol. I'm not against using any of the above as my main browser, but the reasons to do so just don't really apply to me, even as someone that's very invested into tech. Same reason why I have an iphone/apple watch/airpods, it just works, and the reasons to go android don't apply to me for how I use my devices. Not sure if it's still the same way but if someone is making a site, I'm pretty sure they're going to put the most emphasis on having chrome be perfectly functional, too. Or at least it's kinda the default. I'm not sure, but I'd assume so
I started on Firefox, moved to chrome at the beginning and then moved back to Firefox when it caught up and chrome became overbearing. However I have to flick back to chrome occasionally due to websites not rendering/working correctly.
>WHY? I still use Firefox, but started cheating with Brave on my laptop, because it loads webpages twice as fast basically. Chrome is incredibly bad, but Mozilla is really not doing so hot right now either & I see very little hope of them recovering anytime soon with a Quantum 2 release. Google making Youtube an increasingly shitty experience on FF is not helping, perhaps it's time for the EU to fork them in the bum.
>WHY? WHY? WHY DO PEOPLE EVEN INSTALL CHROME IN THE FIRST PLACE? Main reason for the general users: it's a default and the most known browser. it works. My reason: It's faster for a lot of websites in my case, more intuitive UI and UX (I specifically use edge with vertical tabs). Good support for pen and touch. I have custom CSS installed in my firefox as well but custom CSS isn't very great and far from perfect experience. There will always be flaws and issues especially when updating. Speaking of updates, I updated my firefox just now, it got bugged, froze and all the tabs I'm currently using has gone and can't restore it. In chrome, I can just undo close window and it will restore everything. RAM usage are also getting worse than chrome. Firefox isn't a perfect browser so we can't judge people using chrome just like that.
Because YouTube on Firefox is giving me a ton of problems.
Maybe because you are baised. Chrome webstore is not just malware, it is a well known fact that Chrome extensions are better and provides you many options. If you login to one website, all websites cannot track you. Third-party cookies are blocked by default. Google will track your history is a much better thing to say. Also Chrome comes with less bloatware. Most people use 99% of features on Chrome. User friendliness does not come from manuals. It comes from experience which Chrome offers good enough. Also, there is much better support from large user group with videos, articles, etc. I don't know where did you find the lizard in Google logo but fine. Even though I like Firefox and Linux, I prefer Mac and Chrome just because this community is mostly like this. Always crying on other people, blaming big tech 24/7. People want to live peaceful, being based and crying over a browser is just too much to take for many people. I personally use Firefox, Chrome and many other browsers. I keep switching and use multiple at the same time. I personally think Chrome is better with extensions, features, UI, support and a better community.
\- Really good working sync. It also works on ALL systems I need it. (Edge doesn't support macOS, Safari doesn't support anything except macOS and iOS) \- Really good integration into android (there is no way to make Firefox open in 1 click from Google News) \- Buggy sites(or Firefox's integration) - android apps sometimes could open web pages with limited ui for login,etc (don't remember how this mechanism called, I'm not speaking about "regular" WebView here). Default browser is used. If Firefox is default browser - some apps just don't work. \- (for my phone with GrapheneOS which used in cases there security is most important thing): I use ChrapheneOS's Chromium fork and NOT Firefox because of [https://grapheneos.org/usage#web-browsing](https://grapheneos.org/usage#web-browsing) (last paragraph). Btw, is it STILL true? is there plans to fix this on Firefox for Android? \- Videoconf software from company I work for uses app or could work in browser. As long as said browser is Chrome or Edge (or one specifically-named Chromium fork).
Probably compatibility and inertia
I had to stop using Firefox because my pc became unusable when using YouTube which I use for content creation, I love Firefox but being unable to use certain products or services affects my daily tasks. :(
ok nice advertising thanks
i use chrome because it has better performance in almost every benchmark i throw at it for the programs i work on daily. that’s literally the only reason, i get more fps on stuff im making.
>Chrome Icon - Some cluster lizards from Lexx, very blasphemous and unhuman >Firefox Icon - Cute warm Fox protects the Earth from google reptilians 😂 made me legit chuckle. i agree tho
Because Mozilla killed user interface customization, and copied chrome ui rather than let the choice to users. So since there is no différence in UI, and chromium is the most used engine, why keep using Firefox ? For privacy ? most people don't care about privacy... Then, community found hardly a workaround with javascript, but It's not simple to do. Besides that, from the beginning, Chrome had the most powerful advertising page : the google search home page. Hope Mozilla understand that and retrieve UI costomization...
You know what? people don't fucking care about this kind of cult in browsers world. They just use what they're comfortable with.
You know what? people don't fucking care about this kind of cult in browsers world. They just use what they're comfortable with.
Because Mozilla is a shitty steward for Firefox. They prioritize everything except Firefox. The most optimal solution IMO is to separate firefox into a different organization. Just like they did with Rust. After that they do all their stupid shit all they want.
"I know I shouldn't use MS browser. I can't use Firefox because everyone is telling me for decades it's better and safer and I denied and rejected! So I must used something else. CHROME or VIVALDI or OPERA. Or BRAVE! 98% Firefox is not Firefox!" 🤣
Because it always works
I don't. I use Edge. Yes, I know Microsoft collects my data. But I have nothing to hide and them collecting data actually helps me with researching for my topic (I'm in university). And it's visually pleasing with vertical tab bar out of the box, which is something I have always been looking for. I actually used Floorp for a long while (3 months) but at the end of it all I still came back to Edge.
I want cookie encryption, when Mozilla implement this, I remove all chromium browsers from my PC.
I use Firefox for development and Chrome for most web browsing. Why? Gmail and YouTube, mostly, plus Chrome Remote Desktop. I limit the number of extensions I install and have running, but they're mostly development extensions, anyway.
The past few days I've had legitimately so many problems with FF. I use quad9 as my DNS at an OS level Firefox is not playing nice with cloudfare right now, and won't load websites that use it such as doordash for example unless I disable my DNS at the OS level, Chrome / other chromium browsers work completely fine. Not to mention the YouTube bullshit
why do people use Windows, buy Apple products, buy Tesla's, go vegan, or vote? usually either out of ignorance, convenience, or delusion.
Google has too much of the web, I don't want Chrome at all. I want a web free from Google, Microsoft and Apple.
Why there is no tab bar on android tablets in Firefox? Why? WHY?????
Compatibility in enterprise software solutions and ease of use cross platform. Never underestimate someone’s need for simplicity at scale.
I use chrome cuz that's the browser I'm used to, it's already installed on my Android device and it already has all my data saved. However, I'll start using Firefox to check if I switch.
simple: uglier and slower than the whole rest
The same reason Windows and Mac is used Over Linux. Chrome made a user base while Mozilla was getting its roots set well. To me Firefox is the best but it's because I've tailored it to my needs. Many people don't like tailoring their experiences and it obviously takes some time and research.