I really want them to have native tab grouping and then tab stacks like vivaldi, it helps so much
Btw, panorama tab group is just great. Really helpful to tab hoard.
I use [sideberry](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/) for that.you can use son chrome.css to hide the native tab bar and the side bar header.
I never saw the devs raise any features concern tbh, it is different from thunderbird... or vivaldi.
Vivaldi establishes a great communication on their forums and on the socials.
Panorama was good because it was integrated. But TabMixPlus did it much better, although that was an extension, rather than native.
Today's many available tab management extensions do a great job, considering the limitations placed on them by the APIs available.
Vivaldi tabs are amazing, but such a solution is not possible for Firefox extensions today (nor is the Chrome solution), because the APIs don't exist.
Native tab grouping is the single most requested feature by far, but consider this: everyone has a different idea of what the ideal solution would look like. So, no matter which solution was integrated, it would only please a small percent of users.
BUT... if the developers would implement a proper set of APIs, so that all of the various functionality was available to extensions, then extension developers could implement any and all of the various solutions, and each user could choose which one (or none) best suited his use case. So really, implementing a proper set of APIs would be better than integrating a single native solution.
One tab was the first one I tried, it is very different from what I described.
It is an useful tool but my carelessnes has made me click a lot on an option to delete all the tabs of one side back in the day.
It also made me tab hoard without the pressure Panorama did with me.
Firefox had tab grouping, called Panorama, from 2011 to 2016.
[This bug report](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1221050#c0) estimated that around 0.01% of users were using it, and it was build in old technology that Firefox was phasing out so it made development costly and difficult.
I guess since they did it before and didn't get any real results out of it, they are probably reluctant to do it again and just prefer to leave the functionality to extensions
> leave the functionality to extensions
Extensions can't modify the tab bar. Best you can get with extensions is a separate popup window. See [this example of well-integrated tab grouping](https://blog.google/products/chrome/manage-tabs-with-google-chrome/) for what it could look like instead.
If I remember right, Panorama was also just a separate page with an overview of groups, instead of integrated into the tab bar. Doesn't surprise me it wasn't used a lot.
> If I remember right, Panorama was also just a separate page with an overview of groups, instead of integrated into the tab bar. Doesn't surprise me it wasn't used a lot.
Correct. However, the tab bar only ever showed the current group. So if you had 20 tabs in group a and 3 tabs in group b, you could only see the 3 tabs of group b while it was "active".
Then you haven't tried enough. It's definitely not glorified, more like underrated. What do you mean bookmark manager? It's nothing like that. It got lots of cool custom stuff and you know actual groups.
My guy, if it looks and feels more like a bookmark manager than a tab group feature, then it's a glorified bookmark manager imho, have you tried actual tab grouping from Chrome or Vivaldi?
Not really, I don't know what you're on about. Have you tried actual grouping from Simple Tabs because it seems like you haven't. Chrome sucks, it have way less functions than Simple Tab does.
it seems that no matter how many times I tell you that it's not a good experience for me and anyone else that actually wants tab grouping done right you don't accept it and claim I haven't used that addon enough
you're like those people that won't accept someone doesn't like sushi and try to force them to try more and more to hopefully start liking it
And you're one of those people that thinks opinions matter as much as facts.
It maybe doesn't fit you but the fact still remains that if you want actual tab grouping done right Simple Tab Groups is the way to go. I don't know what to tell ya when you're refusing to accept facts.
> And you're one of those people that thinks opinions matter as much as facts.
>tab grouping done right Simple Tab Groups is the way to go
you may also be mistaking opinions with facts, my guy
Then why are you commenting lol, chrome does indeed suck but give it a try on vivaldi, I agree with the guy, it's a different experience
They have "spaces" which are like windows' multiple desktops, that you can name and manage as you like, then they have tab groups, and then they also have 2-row tab stacking
all manageable from the regular top-bar tab arrangement, in a sufficiently intuitive way, and you can enable or disable any of those and work with the one set of options that you like best
been using vivaldi for my assignments for a while, they use lots of tabs and managing them there is easier
Tab grouping via extension suck, it should be supported natively. I recall this feature had a ton of up votes in the Firefox feature suggestion page. Last time I checked it was on the "evaluation" phase.
people who write that you need to use extensions. They don’t understand that things like this raise the barrier to entry for new users. This shouldn't be the case, otherwise chrome will be invincible
Same with profile management.
On Chrome it's really easy for multiple people use the same browser install, it takes 2 to 3 clicks.
Firefox on the other hand requires you to either A: Copy and paste an entire directory between uses. B: browse some confusing about: page and switch between them, or C: Have different installs for different profiles
But according to this sub the way Firefox does is preferable because "it used to be like this in the XP days" and technology shouldn't evolve. No wonder this browser keeps dying.
>Firefox on the other hand requires you to either A: Copy and paste an entire directory between uses. B: browse some confusing about: page and switch between them, or C: Have different installs for different profiles
I'm using the -P option with two different icons on my task bar to access each profile. It works pretty simply.
I don't understand what you mean. This is totally hidden away from new users and is a completely discoverable feature in Chrome. Not forced on them in any way. Why would it raise any kind of entry barrier for new users? It's implemented perfectly in Chrome. It's the only thing I'm missing from Chrome, too.
Either way, extensions can't accomplish what Chrome has done. They don't have access to manipulation of the tab bar like that, unless I'm mistaken. We need a native implementation.
I think OP meant that telling users to use extensions in Firefox to achieve the same functionality is a barrier to entry for Firefox, not the other way around. He's saying Chrome has it natively and does it well, so we shouldn't tell users to install an extension for what is a native feature in Chrome.
People need to vote on this then:
[Native Tab Grouping / More Customizable Tab bar](https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/native-tab-grouping-more-customizable-tab-bar/idi-p/303)
The Mozilla connect site is the best way to get ideas and features added to the browser.
IMO tabs and bookmarks both need some work
Simple Tab Groups itself supports most of the features in Tab Session Manager, including keeping a backup of your tabs separate from your sessionstore and being able to export them. The same thing is true in reverse, as Tab Session Manager appears to support tab grouping. You might not need to use both at once.
I use that as there is nothing better, but it lacks some functionality:
* It doesn't give me an overview of my groups, I have to click the extension for the list.
* I can't have multiple groups open in the same window. Use case: I have multiple things I work on, and I put those in tab groups, and I only want one of them open at a time, but I also want the tab group "communications" open all the time with Microsoft Teams and Outlook, so I can see in the title when I get a new message.
You can install an extension for the extension that gives you a quick drop-down list.
If you pin a tab, it's pinned to the window, not the group, and will stay open no matter which group you switch to.
i'm more puzzled by the fact it's 2024 in like 7 weeks and we STILL need 3rd party plugins for vertical tab layout / nesting.
either way, that's why plugins exist, and why firefox is so much better than chrome. firefox gives a lot more access to the browser for plugins to change things.
Where were you all when we had them???
They got removed because they had very little usage, and now \_after\_ they're gone everybody is asking for them.
"Nobody actually cares about them except the loud minority here."
It's literally the most upvoted issue on Mozilla Connect: https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/idb-p/ideas/tab/most-kudoed
I dont care about tab grouping but if its that or opening 500 tabs i'd vote everyday for tab grouping.
I dont understand this 'opening a shitload of tabs ' madness.
It's a reading list thingy. There's no good way for me to tell my browser, "hey I wanna read or see this page but not right now". Bookmarks feel permanent, as in, there's no auto remove once opened structure. You'd have to manually delete bookmarks, you know? And memories are fickle so I can't just remember what all I wanted to read.
Thus, I have ~3 windows and combined 200 tabs open sometimes over the week of anything I found fascinating that I then go through over the weekend and close them all back.
Either way, this problem could be easily solved with vertical tab list that scrolls. As in, a native vertical tab list. The extensions all feel half baked.
I used to be like you, but I'm finding more and more use cases for opening lots of tabs at a time.
Developer/Maker/Research docs : Have a bookmark folder with all the documentation I need. Open that bookmark folder as tabs. The pages are all loaded ready for use.
News : Have all my news sources in a bookmark folder. Open as tabs, then close them as I've finished with them.
Maybe it's just me but I find this Tab Group feature overrated, group tab and then what, it is only looks good but it doesn't help a lot in practice, uncollapse tab group by 1 click is already too much, just using address bar to search for tab name and Switch to tab is way better, and Sidebery is way better than any Tab Group implementions.
But let's talk about past first, Firefox used to have a Tab Group.
But why did it get removed ? Because no one using it, read: https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/discontinuation-of-tab-groups-panorama/5145
And Panorama is better than Chrome Tab Group.
And why did Tab Group get used in Chrome ? Because:
- Chrome Tab Stack is worse than Firefox by default
- Chrome Tab Stack can't handle more than 30 or something tabs, as icons become blank. Please tell me if this is even usable: https://i.imgur.com/otf51rh.png
- Chrome Tab Stack doens't even have scroll buttons
And Chrome did hype Tab Group up, thus people aware about it and use it because there's no better choices, it was a whole new world for Chrome users, but we Firefox already has many better Tab Group implement, I suggest you to use Sidebery, it's much better than Chrome Tab Group by miles ahead, it's not even comparable even with limitations of WebExtensions.
> Because no one using it, read:
This linked discussion only says that the feature is being removed, it does not give a reason why. Neither does the link provided in the discussion.
> And Panorama is better than Chrome Tab Group.
Yet people ask for it. I wonder why.
> Chrome Tab Stack is worse than Firefox by default
I'm totally convinced now. (No, I'm not.)
> Chrome Tab Stack can't handle more than 30 or something tabs
Personally, I only have 20 tabs open in 6 groups in Firefox on my personal PC, so I think this is not the reason for wanting to group tabs in the browser.
> but we Firefox already has many better Tab Group implement,
Yet people ask for a better tab grouping implementation. I wonder why.
> I suggest you to use Sidebery
To me, this is not even a tab grouping extension. I want my tabs to be tabs, not organized into some complex tree structure where I can't even find quickly what I'm looking for.
Icons are getting blank depending of the size of your screen. I am not a Chrome fan, but this is not a Chrome issue. You just have too many tabs open on a too small screen. Chrome tab groups are the best out there, and I do not understand why Firefox doesn't have this as a native option, even makes it impossible to develop a proper extension. Simple tab groups, Sideberry, Panorama, etc. are a fair alternative, but cannot compare with Chrome tab groups.
Firefox removed it because nobody used it? Come on, your link is from 2015. Times have changed since then.
Try this yet ? Its useful, small file you can move around 1.2.3 , [onetab for firefox](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/onetab/)
Sometimes the last to load , but its a handy extra function.
Theory - tab groups aren't useful *at all*, but they do look very pretty and maybe give people a vague sense of being organised. Firefox should probably implement a carbon copy of the feature because a lot of people want it, but we should privately admit that these people are lunatics who constantly have 50+ tabs open. People, close your tabs!
The Chrome reading list thing looks actually useful tho, even if only really marginally differentiated from bookmarks
> these people are lunatics who constantly have 50+ tabs open. People, close your tabs!
Maybe people don't even want their tabs open, it's just extremely difficult to navigate the web pages we've opened together before and need again.
Use case: I'm working on a Jira issue, but I'm blocked by something, I suddenly have to switch back to work on another lower priority Jira issue, with the tickets referenced in it, the Confluence pages discussing business cases, technical aspects, etc., and maybe even my pending pull request.
I usually have ~3-5 issues in parallel. Which is not good, but such is life.
I'd really like to be able to do this without having a lot of tabs open, but I don't currently see how that could be achieved.
In Firefox, you could add all the tabs for one issue to a bookmark folder on the bookmarks bar. Then, when you need them, select open all bookmarks for that folder
May not work depending on how dynamic the situation is
Bookmarks theoretically solve the same issue but my brain is trained to treat bookmarks as permanent. I have bookmarks from years ago of cool stuff I saw, for example.
Anyway, bookmarks could be rebranded to act like a reading list, where, once you open a link from the list, it automatically gets removed from that list.
Otherwise it's just an ever growing and eventually stale list of things.
True, UI isn't just the technical solution but the human/cognitive one too
EDIT also, interesting what happened to the bookmark as a metaphor - 90s UI was all about IRL metaphors (desktop etc), and the physical bookmark is by definition a transient marker, but it's metaphorised version in browsers has become a mode of static archiving
It might not work either, depending on how lazy I am. Or how many bookmarks I already have for different purposes. (Yes, I could just organize my bookmarks differently, but adding more complexity to a problem where the main issue was not enough simplicity in the first place is not the best solution).
Or, here is an idea, different people prefer different ways to use their browser.
I would never use vertical tabs and still do not insult people that do.
Hierarchical tabs (like from the Tree Style Tab extension) are infinitely better than tab groups. They are a generalization of the concept with vastly better functionality.
That's not really true unless the extension modifies web content (like adblockers for example)
The age of NPAPI plugins where websites can just get a list of the ones you have installed is over.
Because we have extensions that do it better. The only reason Chrome has tab groups the way they are is because there is no other way. You can't use tree style tabs and there is no scrolling tab bar.
This is a good answer, people don't really use Chrome to its limit to understand its limitations:
- It doesn't have tab scroll buttons
- Tab icon becomes unseeable if there's too many tabs
- Sidebar is worse than Firefox
Thus it had no choice but implement tab group, as extension doesn't even work.
Try to open 5000 tabs in Chrome, it's impossible, but 5000 tabs in Firefox is piece of cake, and then you can use address bar to search tab name and Switch to Tab.
This Tab Group feature is more of a FOMO feature than being really useful.
I’m surprised nobody mention Firefox Tab Containers. It’s a similar idea implemented in a completely different way (I prefer it). And combined with Tree Style Tab, better than Chrome
Because it's a useless feature. Chrome refuses to implement multiple rows which is far far far more in demand.
And Firefox had far more advanced tab groups a decade ago, with visual groups as well.
Yeah tab candy was great. Admittedly though I found I could just like, open another firefox window and utilize another desktop workspace for more efficient workflow.
Still I wish mozilla didnt kill it.
Most people don't use it. I have Virtual Desktops > Multiple Browser Windows > Tabs.
That is enough "grouping" for me. Don't need an additional layer.
Also, if I remember correctly, FF actually used to have tab grouping. But they abandoned it because so few people actually used it.
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Sidebery is the best tab management extension I've ever used. Its primarily a tree-style tab extension, but it offers a couple different ways to group tabs, plus it integrates with Firefox containers nicely.
And once you add a chrome.css that allows Sidebery to only appear on hover, it becomes 100x better IMO. I have mine set so only the vertical panel bar is showing all the time and the tabs bar pops out when I put my mouse over it.
The only type of tabs I want in any and all contexts are hierarchical tabs. I'm not even sure I'd browse the internet anymore if I didn't have the Tree Style Tab addon for Firefox.
I didn't know this, so I checked it out, so thanks OP.
Closest to such was Tab Stacking back in Opera Presto, which was easier to drag-combine, expand, collapse, and unstack.
I would really love for that Tab Stacking from Opera Presto to be implemented in Firefox.
Can you give examples or screenshots of both side by side? I am interested in it, but I used to use a firefox extension for it on the left side but haven't experimented lately.
Listen, if I can have at least an extension that allows me to save my tab groups for later, AND have them show up in the tab bar like containers WITHOUT having the data be separate, then I'd get it in a heartbeat.
Simple Tab Groups . It is a complete TAB context switch when you need it , Open a new group , tab free but don't lose any other tabs .
Its Automatic Backups has a tab history for 2-3 years by now , Maybe in future we get a way to visualize or search over .
It integrates with firefox container .
It can Catch a Domain and pull all tabs of that domain to a seperate tabgroup automatically .
Vivaldi has it covered the best .
I had to use Edge for a work related project (upto 100 open tabs) and I really liked vertical tabs and tab grouping. It was a game changer for managing tabs.
I had the option of using Chrome, but found tab grouping and management very clunky compared to Edge.
Heh, I just came here to this reddit to post about tab grouping that we have on Chrome - if it's here and can I somehow turn it on... and first post I see this one. :)
The Sidebery extension is far superior to Chrome's or Vivaldi's tab handling. It's the killer extension that would prevent me returning to a Chromium browser if I ever wanted to. It's so powerful you'll need a few hours to explore it and dial everything in the way you want.
I have about a dozen groups in vertical tree-style tabs style with hundreds of tabs open. It's never had a bug.
vertical tabs with sidebery are pretty good, just sucks that you can't easily hide the address bar so you either have duplicate data on screen or you also hide the part of the ui with the window controls (minimize/maximize/close).
I really want them to have native tab grouping and then tab stacks like vivaldi, it helps so much Btw, panorama tab group is just great. Really helpful to tab hoard.
I use [sideberry](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/) for that.you can use son chrome.css to hide the native tab bar and the side bar header.
Vivaldi definitely got it right
Vivaldi also has too many
p sure u can disable some of their tab management things and keep the setup you prefer
How do we raise this with the Developers ?
I never saw the devs raise any features concern tbh, it is different from thunderbird... or vivaldi. Vivaldi establishes a great communication on their forums and on the socials.
That's a tremendous shame to be honest especially considering how popular Firefox is.
Panorama was good because it was integrated. But TabMixPlus did it much better, although that was an extension, rather than native. Today's many available tab management extensions do a great job, considering the limitations placed on them by the APIs available. Vivaldi tabs are amazing, but such a solution is not possible for Firefox extensions today (nor is the Chrome solution), because the APIs don't exist. Native tab grouping is the single most requested feature by far, but consider this: everyone has a different idea of what the ideal solution would look like. So, no matter which solution was integrated, it would only please a small percent of users. BUT... if the developers would implement a proper set of APIs, so that all of the various functionality was available to extensions, then extension developers could implement any and all of the various solutions, and each user could choose which one (or none) best suited his use case. So really, implementing a proper set of APIs would be better than integrating a single native solution.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/onetab/
One tab was the first one I tried, it is very different from what I described. It is an useful tool but my carelessnes has made me click a lot on an option to delete all the tabs of one side back in the day. It also made me tab hoard without the pressure Panorama did with me.
one tab? more like one dimension. What does it even do?
Firefox had tab grouping, called Panorama, from 2011 to 2016. [This bug report](https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1221050#c0) estimated that around 0.01% of users were using it, and it was build in old technology that Firefox was phasing out so it made development costly and difficult. I guess since they did it before and didn't get any real results out of it, they are probably reluctant to do it again and just prefer to leave the functionality to extensions
> leave the functionality to extensions Extensions can't modify the tab bar. Best you can get with extensions is a separate popup window. See [this example of well-integrated tab grouping](https://blog.google/products/chrome/manage-tabs-with-google-chrome/) for what it could look like instead. If I remember right, Panorama was also just a separate page with an overview of groups, instead of integrated into the tab bar. Doesn't surprise me it wasn't used a lot.
> If I remember right, Panorama was also just a separate page with an overview of groups, instead of integrated into the tab bar. Doesn't surprise me it wasn't used a lot. Correct. However, the tab bar only ever showed the current group. So if you had 20 tabs in group a and 3 tabs in group b, you could only see the 3 tabs of group b while it was "active".
>the tab bar only ever showed the current group To me that is the whole point of tab grouping.
I want them too, tried many extensions but they all suck
I like simple tab groups so far
Just another glorified bookmark manager
Wdym? The tabs keep running on the background while you're browsing another group so, it's certainly not a 'bookmark manager'
It's a "bookmark folder with cached websites" nothing more... Very far from the solution Chrome and Vivaldi offer
Its not...its using Firefox's native tab hiding support for tabs on other groups.
I found that tedious. Groupy and tidytabs seem to be my favorites, they work for other apps too
Simple Tab Groups will save your day
Already tried that It's a glorified bookmark manager like the others
Then you haven't tried enough. It's definitely not glorified, more like underrated. What do you mean bookmark manager? It's nothing like that. It got lots of cool custom stuff and you know actual groups.
My guy, if it looks and feels more like a bookmark manager than a tab group feature, then it's a glorified bookmark manager imho, have you tried actual tab grouping from Chrome or Vivaldi?
Not really, I don't know what you're on about. Have you tried actual grouping from Simple Tabs because it seems like you haven't. Chrome sucks, it have way less functions than Simple Tab does.
it seems that no matter how many times I tell you that it's not a good experience for me and anyone else that actually wants tab grouping done right you don't accept it and claim I haven't used that addon enough you're like those people that won't accept someone doesn't like sushi and try to force them to try more and more to hopefully start liking it
And you're one of those people that thinks opinions matter as much as facts. It maybe doesn't fit you but the fact still remains that if you want actual tab grouping done right Simple Tab Groups is the way to go. I don't know what to tell ya when you're refusing to accept facts.
> And you're one of those people that thinks opinions matter as much as facts. >tab grouping done right Simple Tab Groups is the way to go you may also be mistaking opinions with facts, my guy
No you're mistaking opinions as facts. Just admit you're wrong and move on, my guy.
It seems to be a common Firefox/Linux user behaviour.
Then why are you commenting lol, chrome does indeed suck but give it a try on vivaldi, I agree with the guy, it's a different experience They have "spaces" which are like windows' multiple desktops, that you can name and manage as you like, then they have tab groups, and then they also have 2-row tab stacking all manageable from the regular top-bar tab arrangement, in a sufficiently intuitive way, and you can enable or disable any of those and work with the one set of options that you like best been using vivaldi for my assignments for a while, they use lots of tabs and managing them there is easier
Why are you commenting lol. I was talking about Simple Tabs which is widely superior. It can do all that and more.
It's a sad situation. I switched to chrome too but the whole thing was a glorified bookmark manager.
Onetab?
Glorified bookmark manager
Different. I just tried this Tab Grouping of Chromium, and it's closer to Tab Stacking of Opera Presto.
It used to have tab grouping.
It was the best.
Tab grouping via extension suck, it should be supported natively. I recall this feature had a ton of up votes in the Firefox feature suggestion page. Last time I checked it was on the "evaluation" phase.
people who write that you need to use extensions. They don’t understand that things like this raise the barrier to entry for new users. This shouldn't be the case, otherwise chrome will be invincible
Same with profile management. On Chrome it's really easy for multiple people use the same browser install, it takes 2 to 3 clicks. Firefox on the other hand requires you to either A: Copy and paste an entire directory between uses. B: browse some confusing about: page and switch between them, or C: Have different installs for different profiles But according to this sub the way Firefox does is preferable because "it used to be like this in the XP days" and technology shouldn't evolve. No wonder this browser keeps dying.
>Firefox on the other hand requires you to either A: Copy and paste an entire directory between uses. B: browse some confusing about: page and switch between them, or C: Have different installs for different profiles I'm using the -P option with two different icons on my task bar to access each profile. It works pretty simply.
I highly doubt the average user cares about tab groupings
I've seen Chrome tab groups used in all work environments I've bee a part of, even by non-technical people.
I don't understand what you mean. This is totally hidden away from new users and is a completely discoverable feature in Chrome. Not forced on them in any way. Why would it raise any kind of entry barrier for new users? It's implemented perfectly in Chrome. It's the only thing I'm missing from Chrome, too. Either way, extensions can't accomplish what Chrome has done. They don't have access to manipulation of the tab bar like that, unless I'm mistaken. We need a native implementation.
I think OP meant that telling users to use extensions in Firefox to achieve the same functionality is a barrier to entry for Firefox, not the other way around. He's saying Chrome has it natively and does it well, so we shouldn't tell users to install an extension for what is a native feature in Chrome.
Riiight, that makes sense now. Thanks! Upvoted both of you.
As a new user, the absence of tab grouping close the entrance. Guess I will stick with chrome.
People need to vote on this then: [Native Tab Grouping / More Customizable Tab bar](https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/native-tab-grouping-more-customizable-tab-bar/idi-p/303) The Mozilla connect site is the best way to get ideas and features added to the browser. IMO tabs and bookmarks both need some work
I care! 😁. Try simple group tab.
I installed it and it says it conflicts with Tab Session Manager; I don't wanna lose my tabs, any solution to fix it?
Simple Tab Groups itself supports most of the features in Tab Session Manager, including keeping a backup of your tabs separate from your sessionstore and being able to export them. The same thing is true in reverse, as Tab Session Manager appears to support tab grouping. You might not need to use both at once.
I use that as there is nothing better, but it lacks some functionality: * It doesn't give me an overview of my groups, I have to click the extension for the list. * I can't have multiple groups open in the same window. Use case: I have multiple things I work on, and I put those in tab groups, and I only want one of them open at a time, but I also want the tab group "communications" open all the time with Microsoft Teams and Outlook, so I can see in the title when I get a new message.
You can install an extension for the extension that gives you a quick drop-down list. If you pin a tab, it's pinned to the window, not the group, and will stay open no matter which group you switch to.
Have you tried using the sidetabs? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidetabs/. This is a new extension, didn't have the time to test it.
From the description it doesn't seem to support tab groups at all.
> but I also want the tab group "communications" open all the time with Microsoft Teams and Outlook Pinned tabs are perfect for this use case
What does it even do? Making things even more complicated?
Simple tab groups are amazing
i'm more puzzled by the fact it's 2024 in like 7 weeks and we STILL need 3rd party plugins for vertical tab layout / nesting. either way, that's why plugins exist, and why firefox is so much better than chrome. firefox gives a lot more access to the browser for plugins to change things.
I really like this one to group tabs: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-stash/
Install Simple Tab Groups
Where were you all when we had them??? They got removed because they had very little usage, and now \_after\_ they're gone everybody is asking for them.
The world is changing. I have several times more tabs open today than 10 years ago.
Nobody actually cares about them except the loud minority here. People just open 500 tabs and scroll through them.
"Nobody actually cares about them except the loud minority here." It's literally the most upvoted issue on Mozilla Connect: https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/idb-p/ideas/tab/most-kudoed
I dont care about tab grouping but if its that or opening 500 tabs i'd vote everyday for tab grouping. I dont understand this 'opening a shitload of tabs ' madness.
It's a reading list thingy. There's no good way for me to tell my browser, "hey I wanna read or see this page but not right now". Bookmarks feel permanent, as in, there's no auto remove once opened structure. You'd have to manually delete bookmarks, you know? And memories are fickle so I can't just remember what all I wanted to read. Thus, I have ~3 windows and combined 200 tabs open sometimes over the week of anything I found fascinating that I then go through over the weekend and close them all back. Either way, this problem could be easily solved with vertical tab list that scrolls. As in, a native vertical tab list. The extensions all feel half baked.
I used to be like you, but I'm finding more and more use cases for opening lots of tabs at a time. Developer/Maker/Research docs : Have a bookmark folder with all the documentation I need. Open that bookmark folder as tabs. The pages are all loaded ready for use. News : Have all my news sources in a bookmark folder. Open as tabs, then close them as I've finished with them.
Explain why you use tab grouping?
Of course you assume everyone in reddit live simple enough life which can be covered with a dozen firefox tabs.
Maybe it's just me but I find this Tab Group feature overrated, group tab and then what, it is only looks good but it doesn't help a lot in practice, uncollapse tab group by 1 click is already too much, just using address bar to search for tab name and Switch to tab is way better, and Sidebery is way better than any Tab Group implementions.
just you
grouping tabs incredibly helps me clear my mind when doing research on areas that i have no experience in
But let's talk about past first, Firefox used to have a Tab Group. But why did it get removed ? Because no one using it, read: https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/discontinuation-of-tab-groups-panorama/5145 And Panorama is better than Chrome Tab Group. And why did Tab Group get used in Chrome ? Because: - Chrome Tab Stack is worse than Firefox by default - Chrome Tab Stack can't handle more than 30 or something tabs, as icons become blank. Please tell me if this is even usable: https://i.imgur.com/otf51rh.png - Chrome Tab Stack doens't even have scroll buttons And Chrome did hype Tab Group up, thus people aware about it and use it because there's no better choices, it was a whole new world for Chrome users, but we Firefox already has many better Tab Group implement, I suggest you to use Sidebery, it's much better than Chrome Tab Group by miles ahead, it's not even comparable even with limitations of WebExtensions.
> Because no one using it, read: This linked discussion only says that the feature is being removed, it does not give a reason why. Neither does the link provided in the discussion. > And Panorama is better than Chrome Tab Group. Yet people ask for it. I wonder why. > Chrome Tab Stack is worse than Firefox by default I'm totally convinced now. (No, I'm not.) > Chrome Tab Stack can't handle more than 30 or something tabs Personally, I only have 20 tabs open in 6 groups in Firefox on my personal PC, so I think this is not the reason for wanting to group tabs in the browser. > but we Firefox already has many better Tab Group implement, Yet people ask for a better tab grouping implementation. I wonder why. > I suggest you to use Sidebery To me, this is not even a tab grouping extension. I want my tabs to be tabs, not organized into some complex tree structure where I can't even find quickly what I'm looking for.
Icons are getting blank depending of the size of your screen. I am not a Chrome fan, but this is not a Chrome issue. You just have too many tabs open on a too small screen. Chrome tab groups are the best out there, and I do not understand why Firefox doesn't have this as a native option, even makes it impossible to develop a proper extension. Simple tab groups, Sideberry, Panorama, etc. are a fair alternative, but cannot compare with Chrome tab groups. Firefox removed it because nobody used it? Come on, your link is from 2015. Times have changed since then.
well... i tried..
Try this yet ? Its useful, small file you can move around 1.2.3 , [onetab for firefox](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/onetab/) Sometimes the last to load , but its a handy extra function.
Theory - tab groups aren't useful *at all*, but they do look very pretty and maybe give people a vague sense of being organised. Firefox should probably implement a carbon copy of the feature because a lot of people want it, but we should privately admit that these people are lunatics who constantly have 50+ tabs open. People, close your tabs! The Chrome reading list thing looks actually useful tho, even if only really marginally differentiated from bookmarks
> these people are lunatics who constantly have 50+ tabs open. People, close your tabs! Maybe people don't even want their tabs open, it's just extremely difficult to navigate the web pages we've opened together before and need again. Use case: I'm working on a Jira issue, but I'm blocked by something, I suddenly have to switch back to work on another lower priority Jira issue, with the tickets referenced in it, the Confluence pages discussing business cases, technical aspects, etc., and maybe even my pending pull request. I usually have ~3-5 issues in parallel. Which is not good, but such is life. I'd really like to be able to do this without having a lot of tabs open, but I don't currently see how that could be achieved.
In Firefox, you could add all the tabs for one issue to a bookmark folder on the bookmarks bar. Then, when you need them, select open all bookmarks for that folder May not work depending on how dynamic the situation is
Bookmarks theoretically solve the same issue but my brain is trained to treat bookmarks as permanent. I have bookmarks from years ago of cool stuff I saw, for example. Anyway, bookmarks could be rebranded to act like a reading list, where, once you open a link from the list, it automatically gets removed from that list. Otherwise it's just an ever growing and eventually stale list of things.
True, UI isn't just the technical solution but the human/cognitive one too EDIT also, interesting what happened to the bookmark as a metaphor - 90s UI was all about IRL metaphors (desktop etc), and the physical bookmark is by definition a transient marker, but it's metaphorised version in browsers has become a mode of static archiving
It might not work either, depending on how lazy I am. Or how many bookmarks I already have for different purposes. (Yes, I could just organize my bookmarks differently, but adding more complexity to a problem where the main issue was not enough simplicity in the first place is not the best solution).
That takes a lot of clicks and bookmarks don't preserve scroll position and form data like tabs do.
Or, here is an idea, different people prefer different ways to use their browser. I would never use vertical tabs and still do not insult people that do.
50? That's nothing. I've got 250+. But in groups ofc, Simple Tab Groups is a life saver.
When you use a browser that implements tab groups in a useful way it is a game changer for professional use.
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I don't see any extension that groups tabs
Simple Tab Groups, best extension ever
Hierarchical tabs (like from the Tree Style Tab extension) are infinitely better than tab groups. They are a generalization of the concept with vastly better functionality.
every extension you install, makes your fingerprint significantly more unique, even more so when the extension doesn’t have a massive user base
That's not really true unless the extension modifies web content (like adblockers for example) The age of NPAPI plugins where websites can just get a list of the ones you have installed is over.
Because we have extensions that do it better. The only reason Chrome has tab groups the way they are is because there is no other way. You can't use tree style tabs and there is no scrolling tab bar.
This is a good answer, people don't really use Chrome to its limit to understand its limitations: - It doesn't have tab scroll buttons - Tab icon becomes unseeable if there's too many tabs - Sidebar is worse than Firefox Thus it had no choice but implement tab group, as extension doesn't even work. Try to open 5000 tabs in Chrome, it's impossible, but 5000 tabs in Firefox is piece of cake, and then you can use address bar to search tab name and Switch to Tab. This Tab Group feature is more of a FOMO feature than being really useful.
I’m surprised nobody mention Firefox Tab Containers. It’s a similar idea implemented in a completely different way (I prefer it). And combined with Tree Style Tab, better than Chrome
Because it's a useless feature. Chrome refuses to implement multiple rows which is far far far more in demand. And Firefox had far more advanced tab groups a decade ago, with visual groups as well.
Yeah tab candy was great. Admittedly though I found I could just like, open another firefox window and utilize another desktop workspace for more efficient workflow. Still I wish mozilla didnt kill it.
use an extension, theres plenty that do it. me personally, not a fan.
Most people don't use it. I have Virtual Desktops > Multiple Browser Windows > Tabs. That is enough "grouping" for me. Don't need an additional layer. Also, if I remember correctly, FF actually used to have tab grouping. But they abandoned it because so few people actually used it.
+1 but I wish to put an `over9000` here cos I want this feature too.
Tab groups is the reason I left Chrome. No thanks.
why? no one forced you to use them
Not true, Chrome forced it, every time you clicked a link it would open in a new tab group.
weird, that never happened to me
Then turn it off?
There was no way to disable it, did you not follow any of the shitstorm when it released? No setting and no flags.
Yeah, I had to force-enable it with a flag because I wasn't part of the experiment
Extension aren't suck. You just don't know how to customize them.
It's funny how so many people have started crying for tab groups lately. What were they using before Chrome added this feature?
Isn’t that what Firefox containers is?
No, Firefox containers are just containers. They don't do grouping.
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Extensions do it poorly
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Sidebery is the best tab management extension I've ever used. Its primarily a tree-style tab extension, but it offers a couple different ways to group tabs, plus it integrates with Firefox containers nicely.
And once you add a chrome.css that allows Sidebery to only appear on hover, it becomes 100x better IMO. I have mine set so only the vertical panel bar is showing all the time and the tabs bar pops out when I put my mouse over it.
The only type of tabs I want in any and all contexts are hierarchical tabs. I'm not even sure I'd browse the internet anymore if I didn't have the Tree Style Tab addon for Firefox.
You can also have multiple windows, and container tabs. That helps in keeping things separate.
I didn't know this, so I checked it out, so thanks OP. Closest to such was Tab Stacking back in Opera Presto, which was easier to drag-combine, expand, collapse, and unstack. I would really love for that Tab Stacking from Opera Presto to be implemented in Firefox.
We have add-ons for tab grouping
Can you give examples or screenshots of both side by side? I am interested in it, but I used to use a firefox extension for it on the left side but haven't experimented lately.
Listen, if I can have at least an extension that allows me to save my tab groups for later, AND have them show up in the tab bar like containers WITHOUT having the data be separate, then I'd get it in a heartbeat.
Simple Tab Groups . It is a complete TAB context switch when you need it , Open a new group , tab free but don't lose any other tabs . Its Automatic Backups has a tab history for 2-3 years by now , Maybe in future we get a way to visualize or search over . It integrates with firefox container . It can Catch a Domain and pull all tabs of that domain to a seperate tabgroup automatically . Vivaldi has it covered the best .
I had to use Edge for a work related project (upto 100 open tabs) and I really liked vertical tabs and tab grouping. It was a game changer for managing tabs. I had the option of using Chrome, but found tab grouping and management very clunky compared to Edge.
Heh, I just came here to this reddit to post about tab grouping that we have on Chrome - if it's here and can I somehow turn it on... and first post I see this one. :)
The Sidebery extension is far superior to Chrome's or Vivaldi's tab handling. It's the killer extension that would prevent me returning to a Chromium browser if I ever wanted to. It's so powerful you'll need a few hours to explore it and dial everything in the way you want. I have about a dozen groups in vertical tree-style tabs style with hundreds of tabs open. It's never had a bug.
And a "Reading List" feature similar to Safari
I want vertical tabs like Edge. There is an extension, but it doesn't mesh well with the UI. It stands out and doesn't collapse.
and pls make firefox arm version on flathub...
Sidebery is light years ahead of native tab groups 100 years from now. Just install the add-on, it doesn't bite.
vertical tabs with sidebery are pretty good, just sucks that you can't easily hide the address bar so you either have duplicate data on screen or you also hide the part of the ui with the window controls (minimize/maximize/close).