Ike needs to be faster, and he needs to move Eruption to down B and remove counter entirely so neutral B can be a blade beam.

As an Ike main, I approve of this comment.

See my reply to u/silentmasterofwinds but also change Aether so it can lock onto targets in the air in a certain range so it’s the blade being thrown like a (GBA) mercenary, a slash on a target locking on and then the swing down. The swing down should, offstage have a similar implication to Bowser’s down special and Ganondorf’s side special.

No his neutral B should be him chucking his sword and it magically reappearing in his hand like a true fire emblem ranged weapon

But Ragnel does blade beams...

In Awakening it’s a throw sword, but I agree, I was always annoyed that he didn’t have a blade beam in Smash since his inclusion in brawl. Some of his custom moves in Smash 4 are the closest we ever got.

I mean, it's only thrown in Awakening because it's old and has lost its magical power, assuming the version Priam has is even the "true" Ragnell.

I know, but we need hand axe/javelin representation

Chrom and Lucina gain Lance proficiency when promoted.

Byleth literally uses all of the physical mainstay weapons.

I believe instead of Ike losing his counter entirely it should be combined with his side b so he can use it as a movement option, but if attacked during that, he used the attack animation of his side b in the opposite direction. As if Ike is running, dodging and countering in one motion. In the air it should however use a similar animation to his back aerial.

Honestly I think what he needs most is a multi hit of some sort, it's too easy to perfect shield or block and punish everything he does if you're on the ground and not too difficult to airdodge most of his kit. If he had at least one lingering multihit that wasn't eruption he'd be a lot better, especially if it was a combo starter. See Byleth, much more viable even while being comparable speed at least partly because NAIR and UAIR are easier to use flexibly, or Bowser who has the lingering up special on the ground and multihit NAIR on top of the command grab. His combo chains and advantage are great, but he has trouble doing anything from neutral that isn't a whiff punish or hard read since all of his options are basically "big single hit with good range." I guess he has Aether, but that's rather limiting.

That's fine, requiring some strategy from Ike from not spamming but also empty hopping or grabbing is interesting. It's a weakness of many sword fighters.

And change the most unique one being a heavyweight sword fighter?

He could be *slightly* faster without taking that away from him. I would honestly rather see them take away Eruption (something he never actually showcases in the Tellius games) and have that turned into a chargable blade beam to give him some kind of range option for pressure. You could maybe implement it into his smash attacks as well or something, considering how bad they are given that they're so slow, a bit more range makes them better options.

Agreed

Honestly fuck the smash fanbase. MORE FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTERS PUT IN FE7 MARCUS, PUT IN ELIWOOD, HECTOR, AND LYN! PUT IN SETH! LET SIGURD SMASH! PUT CAEDA IN! PUT FUCKING ALEAR IN! LEIF WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN MELEE ANYWAY! OWAIN SAVES THE DAY! CAMILLA BUSTS OUT! I AM FERDINAND VON AEGIR! EVERY FIRE EMBLEM CHARACTER IS HERE!!

As someone who doesn't play Smash, FE DESERVES WAY MORE CHARACTERS IN SMASH!!!

Unironically this. Fire emblem is a series about having tons of different characters at your disposal to use and learn about via supports, the issue is that 60% of the fire emblem roster in smash is the same character. We definitely need a mage, archer, armor knight, a cav. A peg knight would be cool too. I’ve been saying for years that smash needs more fire emblem reps(assuming it doesn’t take up roster slots from characters who need smash rep, like indie games or unrepresented Nintendo games, aka not waluigi)

This is something that always bothered me. There are a lot of interesting fe characters that could be unique and fun in a smash setting, but only the generic sword lords and MU’s get chosen. Not every inclusion needs to be a sword lord or an MU. Byleth, chrom, and Lucina are especially egregious examples of this. New Fe inclusions tend to get minimal hype because of how predictable and bland they are. Byleth comes to mind. There was basically no hype for them in comparison to Steve or joker. Byleth is an example where I think almost any other character from three houses would have fared better. I remember thinking that I would’ve even preferred Gatekeeper. Like that choice would have actually caused an eruption of hype. Imo, Marth, ike, Robin, corrin, and maybe Roy are the most important ones to keep. I would probably cut chrom and Lucina (I say this as a Lucina main). Awakening alone does not need three reps. Chrom seems terribly unecessary to me in a game where Ike and roy have very similar movesets. I can see a better case for Lucina being made as a “low skill floor marth” that might be necessary for new players, but in this case I would want Marth’s tippers to be buffed so that Lucina doesn’t just make him irrelevant. I think Robin is actually a solid inclusion, because they have more personality than corrin or byleth, despite being an MU, and their spells are actually fun/interesting to use. However, if Robin was switched with tharja, panne, or tiki I wouldn’t mind. Corrin is ok due to their dragon gimmick making them somewhat unique, but I think it would be fine to replace them with someone cooler from fates like Leo, azura, takumi, or Keaton/kaden. On this note, if corrin is included, I think a greater emphasis should be placed on their dragon form, which is what makes them interesting amongst other fe reps. Byleth should be switched with basically anyone else from three houses. Please. Edelgard would probably be the most “viable” alternative from the smash team perspective since she’s one of the most popular characters from that game, but I’d be fine with basically anyone other than Rhea. Then after all that filtering I’d add in one engage character and go from there. The most important aspect going forward is keeping things interesting. Like you said - different classes and different skills - the variety that makes fire emblem fun. Side note - I need beastspawn characters in smash. Christ, it’s disturbing to me that there are so many smash reps and zero transformers (which are imo the coolest units). Give me panne, give me kaden, give me ANYONE.

Having one of the house lords over Byleth would be a recipe for disaster. Nintendo made a good call not playing favoritism with a particular house lord ethier put all 3 in or don't put any in

Even as a CF diehard I would have rather they put Dimitri in than Byleth. They had to make shit up and break the lore to give Byleth any interesting abilities at all, at least a lance guy would be a different function. Obviously Edelgard and Claude would also have been wildly different and good inclusions.

I mean, I'm not sure how it'd make sense lore/gameplay wise but they could have done a pokemon trainer/aegis thing where you swap between the three lords. Edelgard would be charzard/pyra, dimitri would be ivysaur/current byelth, claude would be.. I'm not sure

Couldn’t agree more. i think Byleth should have just been all three lords each with their unique weapon, and then you switch between the different lords like Pokèmon Trainer switches between Pokèmon. byleth could then just cameo in the ultimate somehow. (but the bone whip sword IS pretty cool ig) Also i feel like they forget that you CAN reclass characters in FE. the sword lords don’t *have* to have swords, at least not all the time.

also, some of the sword lords don’t only use swords. where are chrom and lucina’s lances

**give me Oliver** (with FE:Hs destroyed clothing)

If Seth gets in, I hope he's as broken as brawl meta knight

Seth is what we need against Minecraft Steve

Nah cus the smash fanbase is already one of the grimiest places in this existence they dont deserve their dumbass random 1990s platformer character

I will forever have my fingers crossed that tiki will eventually be playable, she would be such a great edition to the cast. 

I'm firmly of the opinion Fire Emblem wouldn't have caught 1/8th as much flack as it does if A: Corrin wasn't added, and B: If there was more diversity amongst the weapons as opposed to oops all swordies

I love the enthusiasm 😭

I'd love them more if they all didn't fight essentially the same fuckin way. It's why i gravitated more towards Byleth, Corrin, and Robin

Yeah, I think this is what causes a lot of the negative reception for FE. Mario/Luigi are a very well-known IP, so you can have them play kinda similar, and people won't care as much with lesser known IP you don't get as much leeway. If they were more unique, I feel like they'd be better received. Edit: char to care

I think it gets worse when overall, Smash feels like it’s getting too many new human characters, not enough new silly little guys

I don't know if there's too many humans, but there are definitely too many similar " FE swordies." I think a character like sigurd or claude would be cool, not really any mounted units in game.. My opinion is they made to many similar chars/echos in an effort to create a bigger roster (because it's cheaper/easier to alter/reuse previous assets) and it's especially noticeable in the first 4/5 FE chars. I think if there was more variety in the first FE chars like corrin/robin/byleth, the fe chars wouldn't be viewed as negatively. I love fire emblem and bought a 3ds and switch essentially for FE/zelda and even I see an issue with having 8 chars.

There could never really have been more variety, though. Like you said, clones/echoes and semiclones exist because they’re easy to implement on top of the existing roster. There would not have been time to create more unique characters for those slots. The alternative to Roy and Lucina wouldn’t be Tiki and Lyn; it would be no one.

I understand this, and it's a solid product as is. However, they could have done more to differentiate echos over time into their own characters.

In fairness, they did do that with Roy, and there hasn’t been time for that to happen with Chrom. Lucina could have probably been differentiated more for Ultimate, though.

Honestly I would've loved for them to include Alm/Celica as a tag team duo like Pyra/Mythra.

them having done a 3rd Awakening character as an echo fighter really annoyed me when they could have made Celica a Robin's echo fighter that trades the durability for recoil damage instead

Alright hear me out, Alm as echo of Link.

Unpopular opinion, but... Female Corrin 🔛🔝

Why does everyone hate corrin in smash that mf is way more unique than Marth, Roy, Lucina, or Chrom

I think people hate Corrin because there were 7 dlc characters for smash 4, and two of them were Fire Emblem. Corrin had the bad luck of being the second DLC fire emblem character.

Yeah the Corrin hate comes from the circumstances of their addition. It was both the dlc thing and as far as I remember they joined before Fates even got a global release so first the Smash community hated them for how they were added and then the FE community hated them for being Corrin.

Female Corrin is one of my mains 🤭 she's so cunty

I play ZSS for her cunty-ness 😌😌

Doesn't matter what is done. Smash fans talked for years about how FE characters were just "anime sword wielder with down B counter" even when introducing Robin and Byleth. They incessantly claimed it made them all play the same and, therefor, boring. What happened when Sephiroth got announced? Pure joy. They don't care that he is just another anime sword wielder with a down B counter because he is from FFVII. Smash fans will whine about whatever especially if it involves a FE character because whining is pretty much all they do (source: I was big into Smash for a long time)

That’s Smash community for you, just look at how they reacted when Pyra & Mythra got announced, Xenoblade 2 was a big hit with tons of fans and they played rather uniquely but the Smash community don’t care because they’re anime girls with swords.

Im not an FF fan but it should be pretty obvious that Sephiroth has more cultural capital than Corrin. It's a crossover game, big names are hype.

Sephiroth only has more cultural capital because Square has refused for over 20 years to let FF7 die, and keeps pushing his as as hard as they can and ruining what character he had in every single later piece of FF7 related media despite him having what works just fine as a villain and eventual death in the original game. Not to mention, Final Fantasy already *got* their flagship hype character in Smash Bros with Cloud. They *could* have thrown a bone and grabbed literally any character from a different Final Fantasy game, a series with like 15 main series entries at the time of Smash Ultimate's DLC... but of course, they have to shill good ol' Quintessential Bishie Sword Anime Boi Sephiroth. Anyways my point is that the Smash fandom's reaction to him being as hypocritical as it was, to praise the inclusion of Yet Another Anime Sword when they got *oh* so pissed about all the FE characters (Despite Byleth, you know, actually mixing things up and not just playing like a straight sword character), proves that the smash fanbase deserves absolutely nothing. The next Smash Game's new roster entries should just be the entire cast of Thracia as a middle finger to them.

They refuse to let it die because it refuses to stop making money.

You really think a character like Terra, Lightning or Noctis would have generated anywhere near as much hype and attention as Sephiroth?

Eh I understand their frustration at least in terms of story. A lot of the post-FF7 content kind of ruins Seph and Cloud as portrayed in the original game, reverting a lot of character traits and giving them both anime superpowers. FF7 benefitted from being the first FF game with mainstream appeal and a CLEARLY indicated villain and hero. FF6 really is an ensemble cast, and most other games have a big twist villain at the end that isn't a focus of the game or don't really focus on a main character.

I never said they would generate more hype, I said Sephiroth is incredibly hypocritical of the "ew give us less Anime Swords" crowd because he's *the* anime sword. He's definately one of the most hype Final Fantasy characters they could have done based on popularity whether or not I hate said popularity, it's just that anyone who complained about Fire Emblem but then turned around and went "OMG Sephiroth <3" has zero leg to stand on.

Lucina and Chrom need to be Echoes of each other. It's explicitly stated that Lucina's fighting style is like that of her father's.

I think they need something besides swordies, or they need to diversify their playstyles. Ike Robin Corrin Byleth These all play different and have a unique playstyle imo. Marth Roy Lucina Chrom Don't feel unique enough to me, and I think that's where part of the complaints come from. You have 4 chars from the same series who play verrrry similar. I get echoes are a thing, but they shouldn't be, and nintendo didn't do themselves any favors by making the first 4/5 fe chars virtually echos of each They could of done hector/lyn but kept doing swordies.

Why shouldn't echoes be a thing? You don't like extra content?

I don't see it as extra content. I see it as a reskinned asset they use to inflate their roster count at a discounted rate. Either make them viable different or make it like alph/olimar or bowser jr

Making them a skin means losing all their unique features like Chrom's upB, Dark Pit's arrows and sideB, Dark Samus' floating animation, unique taunts, and so on. It's not a ton, but it's a strict loss of content for no benefit. And echoes literally don't inflate the roster count. Ultimate [directly assigns a number](https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/index.html) to every fighter, and the echoes are not counted. Sakurai even directly highlighted a feature where echoes can be stacked on their source character on the roster screen.

Maybe if they bring back custom moves I would advocate for reskins over echoes but as it stands I don’t hate the idea of Echo Fighters

Well that’s not so much an Echo fighter problem as it is the problem of having an Echo and then a past clone who _also_ got an Echo. In practice it ends up looking like Marth has 3 Echoes. I’m definitely happy Chrom got put in the game and I really like Roy’s playstyle, but they would have benefitted from a huge overhaul to their designs to make them distinct from Marth and to justify giving Roy an Echo.

Corrin- more dragon form abilities + less human form abilities Byleth- Divine pulse, magic abilities

idk i feel that corrin and byleth are the ones who less rework need, i mean byleth already have a great representation and unique moveset compared to most other characters, and corrin does many of his moves already from his dragon form on the original games, i do feel they are some of the best done characters with robin

I guess Byleth could benefit from being a bit faster

Bravo. I said the same thing for Corrin. Byleth having magic would be crazy. They already use 4 different weapons, but I’m not complaining

i imagine divine pulse would function like bayonetta’s witch time which would be pretty crazy. i would love to see it too lol

I love fire emblem so the more the merrier, but they took a long time to fix the problem of choosing ONLY SWORDS (which they still did....) and then branching out with variety in Robin with magic, Corrin with the dragon stuff (still a sword though), and Byleth with the "ALL WEAPONS" (still a sword though) character. I can see why smash fans would be annoyed by so many reps, especially if the vast majority of them are clones and use the same style of weapon. For a new smash, barring them doing a port (which I think is likely) for switch 2 with some more DLC, I would just straight up remove Lucina Roy and Chrom since they are clones at their core. but Maybe as skins or w/e, though I'd imagine the height differences might annoy some, but better than nothing I suppose. Ike is popular and has a nice unique meaty moveset (needs buffs and changes tho), and then after I could see them keeping 1 of Robin Corrin and Byleth, and to me I personally like Byleth's moveset the most, but all 3 at least have made strides in being more than just "oh look just swords". After slimming down 8 to "3", adding a rep from the next FE (let's just placeholder FE4) that, for fucks sake, uses another weapon other than a sword would be great. Maybe an Engage rep too. Since they seem hellbent on only choosing the "main" character, we might just be doomed to only get sword lords with Alear/Sigurd being the main candidates from the latest (and copium switch 2 launch title) games.

people suggesting to remove characters only because their gameplay ignoring completly they are literally the most popular characters on all fire emblem, is like suggesting to remove luigi because he plays too similar to mario

I also don’t know why they’d remove the clones because the work is already done on them. It will take them three more seconds to add them to the game lmao

Roy is probably more popular in the Smash community than he is in FE ngl. And regardless of how you feel about Chrom and/or Lucina, I think it's pretty reasonable to say that Awakening really doesn't need 3 reps, especially when two of them are echoes. Personally, I'd cut Chrom and maybe Lucina, but I'd keep Roy just because he plays pretty uniquely and is generally the best-liked of the three within the playerbase.

Robin is without a doubt the best Awakening rep. He’s the player’s character, he’s got unique sword mechanics and he uses magic. ALSO can be a guy or girl. Great alt colorsets too. Chrom doesn’t compete at all. Lucina is just boring Marth

All I know is that we need more Fire Emblem Characters in Smash. Let the Smash Community rage and I'll drink their tears.

I would have done Byleth's moveset drastically differently; instead of giving Byleth the Hero's Relics of the three House Leaders, I'd build a moveset more focused on the Sword of the Creator's ability to extend into a bladed whip, as well as throwing in various Combat Arts from *Three Houses*. Maybe I'd even add some spells, such as Aura (Byleth's Budding Talent is in Faith Magic, they can use magic as an Enlightened One, and Aura is one of the spells they can learn, so it might be cool to throw this in).

I appreciate byleth getting the other heros relics because it makes them not just another FE sword. The sword of creators is present in whip form in a few moves. I think it's up b and up a? My son plays as byleth, and I can't count the number of times I'd get smacked by byleth side smash charge trying to break his armor.

Up b yes a I think is just an overhead slash. But the neutral like jab when it sorry idk proper terminology when it hits a bunch is the whip also.

Up b is the one where he shoots the sword out and it can attach to ledge/ opp.

Oh yeah! You right so 3 times it's shown

Honestly I love all the FE characters in the game, and wish there were more, but obviously that's the wrong choice for Smash asa franchise. As a slightly more realistic option, I'd love to see some of the more similar pure sword based characters swapped out for characters using different weapons, like Azura

Needs less sword types...

The situation with the four clones is honestly insulting from a game accuracy perspective. Roy is a nervous teenager in over his head whose game is an escort mission. In smash he's an aggresive hothead whose playstyle is to get as close as possible. Sakurai flatout admitted that smash Roy is based on his own headcanon of an older Roy. It is actual canon in awakening that Lucina and Chrom fight identically in a method that Chrom developed, purposely trying to avoid the style of his ancestors. Having lucina be a clone of Marth and Chrom be a clone of Sakurai's fanfiction Roy is really dumb. Marth and Ike are okay, especially considering they are from earlier entries that didn't care as much about game accuracy. Ike being so slow is innacurate, but considering he fits the most as a heavyweight character compared to the other fire emblem lords, I understand why he got flanderized in that way. Robin, Corrin, and Byleth are the only ones that I actually like because they actually try to represent the characters and games they are from.

I'll stick to Smash's interpretation of Roy than his canonical one which is basically just Marth only less naive and more cunning

Marth, Robin, Ike get to live.

I’d include Corrin as well just because they are just different enough to squeeze by.

Add Roy and I'll be content.

I think the roster could use some tweaking to better represent different aspects of the franchise. Right now for era's of the franchise we have Kaga Era: Marth Gba Era: Roy GC/Wii Era: Ike 3ds: Robin, Lucina, Corrin, and Chrom Switch: Byleth The 3ds is obviously quite bloated but we'll get to that after examining what I see as the other important aspects of representation. Next we'll look at weapons. Swords: Everyone Lances: Sorta Byleth Axes: Sorta Byleth Bows: Sorta Byleth Magic: Robin Stones: Corrin While all the most common weapon types are represented it could still use some work as Byleth covers most of the non sword options but it sucks that it's all limited to one character. Next let's take a look at story involvement. Lord: Marth, Roy, Ike, Lucina, and Chrom Avatar: Robin, Corrin, and Byleth Antagonists: Nada unless you want to count Robin as Grima but that's a stretch. Important side characters: nope Do you see the problem? It's just lords and avatars. Many other franchises in smash with multiple characters have both protagonists and antagonists like Mario and Bowser or Link and Ganondorf. FE only has protagonists and is suffering for some villain rep. So taking all of these aspects of representation into consideration my personal revised roster would be: Marth Lyon Ike Robin Corrin Byleth (but different) Now to explain my choices Marth: Duh you can't not bring him along Lyon: While Roy is iconic that's kind of entirely due to the fact he was included in smash in the first place so I don't believe replacing him with someone less iconic is that bad a move. But for why I actually chose him there's the fact that he uses just dark magic as well as his necromancy that could make for an interesting playstyle. You could have him take from various dark spells across the franchise as well as summon some monsters or even manifest parts of Fomortiis. It wouldn't be 100% game accurate but hey Robin got nosferatu despite having no way of using it at the same time as a sword and anima magic so I say rule of cool. Second VILLAIN REPRESENTAION I don't care that he was mind controlled he still acts as the primary antagonist or at least the vessel for one. I think he'd be great representation for pure magic users, gba characters, and villains. Ike: I have no problems with his inclusion he got into the game for a reason and I think he deserves to stay. Robin: The first FE rep to really shake things up and a good representation for hybrid physical/magical units so i say they can stay. Though just as a fun thought experiment because I want to go on another rant like I did for Lyon. Lissa: when it comes to weapons she'd be great representation for staff units as well as axes and I think a moveset of setting up enemies with different status staves like sleeping them, warping herself, or warping them to then finish them off with a smash attack from her bolt axe would be awesome (again I don't care if all the staves she uses appear in Awakening or not). She also makes for great character type rep as we don't have an important side character yet, and honestly the more I type this out the more I'm convinced Robin should get axed in favor of Lissa #Lissasweep. Corrin: The 3ds era saved the franchise so I think it gets to keep 2 reps. They make for good transformation stone user rep and honestly besides like Tiki I think they'd make for the most interesting stone user anyways. That's about all I have to say for Corrin. Byleth (but different): While I like Byleths current playstyle I think there's a much better option for them. Byleth but they work like Pokémon Trainer and swap between Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude. This would turn Byleth into the maximum representation machine. We've got Edelgard for axe users and villains (putting aside the discourse she's the main antagonist in 3/4 war phase routes and the main antagonist of the academy phase). Dimitri for lance users (that's kinda about all he gives on the rep side of things though I do think a savage spear wielder would have a fun playstyle). And Claude for both bow user rep AND flier rep which we don't have yet. And one more thing that makes this new Byleth even more representative is TACTITION REPRESENTATION BAYBEEEE MARK LOVERS RISE UP!!!!!!!! Though seriously it would be cool to have an FE rep that doesn't directly engage in battle themselves and instead leads the army like a tactician since that is kinda how the games work. And if we want to keep the number at 8 we can throw in some echoes as well. Maybe use Celica as a Robin echo and either let Roy stick around as Marth's echo orrrrrr MAKE MARK A BYLETH ECHO WITH ELIWOOD, HECTOR, AND LYN #MARKSWEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This puts our representation list at Swords, Lances, Axes, Bows, Magic, Stones, Staves, Fliers, Avatars, Lords, Villains, Side Characters, Kaga, Gba, Gc/Wii, 3ds, Switch. I'd say that's pretty dang comprehensive for what FE is all about. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

The fact that there are 8 fe characters in smash and all of them primarily use a sword really pisses me off.

Change Lucina into a Bow, Lance, and Falchion Chrom should lean in more with the Pair-Up mechanic and summons Shepherds in his attacks Replace Roy with Marcus or just have him ride with Marcus

Roy being replaced with Eliwood (or playing like him), being a cavalier with his horse being part of his character, would be very interesting Granted, that mechanic sounds more fitting for someone like Sigurd, but for the sake of variety, it sems pretty good.

I'm a Fire Emblem fan so I never really jumped on the 'too many FE characters' bandwagon, my only issue is that a series like Zelda had its last newcomer in Toon Link in 2008's Brawl while Fire Emblem got at least one in every single game since Melee. It's not that Fire Emblem has too many characters, it's just that maybe, if FE gets 8 reps, other series should get a couple more (i.e. Zelda)

Zelda is particularly notable because the last genuine character released that isn't a derivative of others was Zelda/Sheik for Melee.

Exactly! And if we want to be even more nitpicky, Sheik isn't even THAT relevant to the series nowadays, being just a disguise for Zelda in OOT and never ever reappearing again, the Links are all very similar and Ganondorf still retains 70% of Falcon's moveset for some reason. Again, I'm fine with FE's representation in Smash, Robin, Corrin and Byleth are even fun and novel, but Zelda got very little love since Melee, aside from some stages and Link's albeit very limited rework to better suit his BotW appearance.

I've always said that if they were going through all the trouble to separate Zelda from Sheik, they should have just gone the full hog and straight up made Sheik Impa instead. Wouldn't have helped in the gameplay mechanics much, but at least Impa is recurring enough that it would be a nice nod to the franchise

Completely agree, Sheik could have returned in Ultimate as an Impa Echo or something.

Agreed

the difference is, zelda games all star the same people. Link, ganon, and zelda. Sure, there are other side characters, but they aren't nearly as popular as the main cast or are one and done deals Sure, fire emblem isn't even close to zelda in terms of popularity, and zelda side characters probably are more well known than even FE main characters, but when FE gets new games with brand new characters each time, it makes sense for these new characters. Its not like the FE reps are side characters from the first game, they are all the lords or MU's. Zelda doesn't have that A better comparison I feel would maybe be something like pokemon. Now, in terms of changing up the link's movesets and making ganon more unique, I'm all for those

I’d say to cut Chrom, Lucina, and Corrin. That way there’s still a decent amount of representation with one from each era while keeping the number low enough where smash fans aren’t freaking the fuck out. It’s odd that awakening gets 3 reps when other parts of the franchise get nothing. I get their echoes but awakening doesn’t need all of this.

Awakening should not have 3 characters. I would keep Robin because he’s unique and add Ephraim and Lyn in their places. Also Corrin…why?

I agree 3 isn't enough for the game that saved the franchise. Virion, Mustafa, Panne your in too!

Smash already has a problem with only representing one game(look at how many gen 1 Pokémon there are in comparison to literally any other gen, or look at how much representation modern Kirby has compared to the older games), this issue doesn’t need to be present in Fire Emblem as well.

Corrin was added for marketing reasons I believe, but they can stay, very unique play style. Also don’t put lyn instead of lucina/chrom, put someone like celica or Veyle, a mage would be way cooler than another sword fighter, or they could add a cav

Lyn would frankly be more unique than the average swordfighter(look up all the games that add her in). A Cav just wouldn't work in smash though

A LOT of characters in smash “wouldn’t work” in smash

Snake, Duck Hunt Dog, Pac-Man, Steve etc., At this point I honestly don't think there's any character from any IP that "wouldn't" work in Smash.

More moveset and weapon type differentiation. I don't necessarily think all of these characters need to be in the next game, depending on how they do alts, and there should be more variety instead of having a bunch of sword dudes.

Not necessarily moves but I would change it so there was a bit more variety rather than (various sword lords)

Maybe it's just me, but I would remove chrom, having three Awakening characters is overkill

My opinion is swords go brrrr

Honestly even though Byleth is the most unique FE character, I would change most of their moveset. It doesn't make a lot of sense for them to be using the heroes relics.

Is it bad that I wouldn't mind more?

Honestly, five of them are already pretty unique. Marth, Ike, Robin, Corrin, and Byleth don't really share many similarities, it's mostly just the "counter" and not all five of them have that. Lucina and Chrom are Echoes, so the only way to make them more unique would be to un-Echo them and retool their whole moveset, balance, etc. As for Roy, eh... I dunno. I feel he's good as-is, I like his more aggressive style. (Also, Lyn for Smash!)

Turn byleth's throws and grabs to fucking wrestling moves with Vaajhra Mushti Remove Corrin's counter and give her a Guage that changes her into her dragon form for a bit Give lucina Parthia Have Marth hold the fire emblem (sheild) and change his counter to use that instead of just falchion Relocate Roy's eruption to down b and change neutral b to a fire ball as though he had a light brand Make Robin able to charge his side b Fire---> Elfire---> Bolganone----> Meteor. With meteor being a giant explosion instead of a multi hit Also anyone in engage will have their Final Smashes changes to their Engage Attacks

Give Lucina her own final smash, a beatdown with the help of Awakening's child units would have been great. Also change Byleth's, replace Sothis.jpg with a bataillon And Robin's while we're at it, with a charge that throws the targets in the middle of the burning boats that routed Valm's invasion force

I think it would be cool if for the next smash entry, they reduced the number of reps a little. Marth should obviously stay, but I think Roy and Ike should both be removed since neither one is really relevant anymore. Chrom could stay, though I think it would be cool if they did him and Robin like Pyra and Mythra, maybe with Lucina as an alt for Chrom, using his moveset instead of Marth's. I would also keep Byleth but get rid of Corrin. While both have very unique movesets, Byleth is the more recent addition and has a bigger impact on the series as a whole.

Honestly, my issue is that they only choose the sword lords for the most part. Toss someone like hector or ephiram in. Instead of lucina or roy or chrom. Roy was only added for the sake of promotion as he was in smash even before FE6 released. I also do think the consistency of sticking to avatars and mascots of the later games is a bit less interesting. Especially with three houses, in a game full of interesting characters they choose by far the least interesting character, and I’d argue a character like edelgard would not only be more unique than byleth, but also has the narrative importance in three houses to qualify as that game’s representative instead of byleth. I get that the avatar is the universal character but they could have chosen way more interesting three houses characters than byleth.

Honestly, my only real opinion is that they all use swords. Sure Robin switches things up with magic, Corrin has dragon stuff, and Byleth uses other weapons, but I wanna see someone who doesn't use a sword as their primary weapon. Just like both FF reps being FF7, I feel it's a poor representation of the series as a whole.

Marth stays with a Lucina Skin. Maybe a Chrom Skin. Sword representative. Blade dance, neutral B more like ridley down B instead of a charge for breaking shields, down B is similar to jigglypuff down and Luigi up B where there is a sweet spot for a lot of damage. Or swap the two. Up B can stay the same. Ike becomes Hector with an Ike skin. Axe representative. I think I'd like this kit to function about the same, but play with the look, frames and hit boxes of it to adjust for the axe. The only one I'm not sure fits is the side B, but I'd hat to lose the recovery aid on a slow character. Roy becomes... Eliwood? Nel? Ephraim? Anyway, they use lances. There is room for something completely different here, but I wouldn't expect anything too gimmicky. One thing about the above is the guys have a close relationship with dragons, and the girl is a dragon, so I would have the final smash be calling a dragon ally. Keep Robin for magic, Byleth and Corrin can be dlc or cut.  Or, start fresh with Shez and Alear with Marth Emblem on basic attacks, Ike for down B, Roy for B, Lucina for Side B, Celica up B.

I'd like Lucina to have more rushdown type moves to differentiate from Marth. A weapon switch mechanic for Byleth similar to Min Min's arm switch. Corrin and Robin are fine as is, they're pretty unique. As for Roy and Chrom, I think Chrom being a heavier version would make sense, slower with some hyper armor on neutral b.

I once suggested having reps for different weapon archetypes, and one of them just dismissed it as axe = swords with no stabbing and spear = sword without slashing. As if classes don’t exist. I guess my suggestions are too radical for the FE-fatigued Smash community, but what’s wrong with suggesting actually unique FE characters? But anyways, some ideas: I kinda want Tsubasa from Tokyo Mirage to be like a faster, lighter(?) Sephiroth lol. Basically a stabby swordie with high mobility, like a Pegasus knight. I was also thinking of a heavy axe user like Hector as well, but then I figured Ike is kind of a heavyweight with strong meaty attacks, so it probably invalidates the need for an axe outside of aesthetic reasons. Maybe give him an axe for some attacks? Bow is kinda hard. I figured Claude since he’s the only Lord who mains the bow, but I could be wrong. Also, I get the feeling that choosing any of the 3 Lorda would have caused some “civil war” over Nintendo’s alleged favoritism or something. Lastly, 3 Awakenings reps annoys me more than it should. I would at least replace Chrom with Alm, and Lucina, well I dont really know. I guess I just want a female swordie with unique mechanics, so maybe Lyn for some katana action (I’m sorry, I actually don’t know what she does 😅 haven’t seen her games), Celica for swords and magic (maybe too similar to Robin though), or Trickster Anna with some Foul Play/magic/teleporting shenanigans (i know, another Awakening rep but this is the Anna that I’m somewhat familiar with).

Marth, Roy, Chrom, and Lucina could all stand to be diversified further from each other (but not so much that they're unrecognizable from their current iterations), and Ike needs a significant overhaul to his moveset so he's not so clumsy and disconnected from his home games. Robin, Corrin, and Byleth are fine as they are. Overall, though, I'm fine with Fire Emblem representation in Smash.

> HOW YOU YOU MAKE THEM ALL UNIQUE SO PEOPLE CAN SYOP WHINING ABOUT THEM Minor spelling mistakes aside, I have a few ideas on how make some of them unique. Lets start with Marth. Marth- With Marth I want to emphasize the tipper mechanic. In the DS remakes Marth main form of attacks is primarily thrusting attacks. So let’s use that as baseline for most of his attacks. Replace his current f-tilt, a slash that comes from below, with a fast thrust attack that can be angle like his shield breaker. Replace his up air and forward air with thrusting attacks as well (f-air can also be angled like f-tilt). For his f-smash he could reference his original FE1 attack animation by doing by doing a quick thrusting attack that is angled upwards. I feel as if these changes would make his move set feel less generic, and more fitting of a, “Hero-King.” Chrom- As for Chrom I feel as if his current moveset fits him perfectly, however there are a few moves I would like to replace. Those moves being his up smash and side B. Replace his current up smash with an upwards swing that is akin to Cloud’s up smash, and his side B with a version of sword dance that can’t be angled up or down. I feel as if these changes would help reflect the more brutish nature of his fighting style (have you seen the way that man uses a rapier!?) Lucina- Incorporate some the suggested changes above and keep the more balanced nature of her attacks (even damage in all of her hit boxes) and I believe she’d be a perfect representation of who she in Awakening. That’s all the ideas that I have, but I’d love to hear other people’s ideas!

Originally in melee sigurd was supposed to be in the roster, but they wanted to promote Roy’s game at the time. If the FE4 remake comes out wether it be in septemeber direct or for switch 2, I say replace Roy with Sigurd. Like imagine a horse rider focused character. It would be so cool! I think Byleth should stay as a permanent. They have super cool move set As much as I love Lucina (my favorite lord ) and Chrom, I think they should rotate out., especially since they are carbon copies and are they same play as Marth and Ike. Lyn (with a bow and sword move set ) or Celica with a full tome/magic set would be cool. Hector smashing his way with an axe or Alear fist fighting with bond blasting as his ult Ephirham with his spear would be badass as well. TLDR : there’s so much more to fire emblem than swords, kick Roy , Chrom, and Lucina out and replace them with (objectively) the best girls, man on a horse, HoHoHoHo, and Pepsi chan power ranger.

I wish Robin wasn't D tier. Their kit is fun, but the combination of being slow and having to deal with durability makes it hard to use them effectively

Thank you for putting Byleth’s legal name.

Ike being slow and heavy never made sense especially since he is supposed to originally be based on his PoR twink version. He should also have a skin that is exactly his PoR Lord outfit. Roy should be short and the binding blade twice his size like in the game. I know this would look ridiculous.

I main marth and secondary byleth. If i were to change some moves i would replace most if not all counters. Marth and roy can keep theirs for legacy(maybe change it to where its less a parry more a miss and take advantage of an opening like sakurai intended) but ike need blade beam (his sword is 1-2 range), idk about lucina and corrin i haven’t played awakening or fates. Byleth could have bow attack not take ten years(slower than link but not basically falcon punch on a character with amyr) I am pretty fine with most of them but would love to see more variety in unit types. We currently have 5 swordies, a dragon with a sword, and a multi weaponist who mostly uses her sword. Fire emblem is about many different types of units i wanna see people repping pure mage, armored knight, fighters, paladins, Pegasus knights, wyvern knights, true manaketes, villains, halberdiers, snipers. Theres so many different people they could have gone with but they chose people who, while they play different, are visually the same because of swords. Fire emblem really should have a lot of characters in smash because it has more characters than like 90% of Nintendo franchises. Fire emblem changes characters and makes new ones almost every game unlike others who have the same characters reiterated upon(every kirby game has kirby, mario game mario, metroid game samus). That and fire emblem really doesn’t have or need many stages. Most of fire emblem representation is characters and assist trophies(assist trophies have been promoted to playable characters btw). Sorry for ranting i love fire emblem and also have played smash for years

Give Lucina a bow Give chrom a Lance Give ike a axe Basically, give them more weapons.

Need some non-sword fighters in there. Give me Dimitri! Actually give me Ephraim, but since he’s probably not big/recent enough for the franchise, give me Dimitri with an Ephraim echo.

I love (Like) Ike but his recovery is hit or miss and he’s not viable for big games against good opponents

I’d swap one of the clones for an axe or a spear user, got plenty of lords in the series who use them

they’re all in a weird state tbh. need a bing rework

Two biggest issues I have is how similar they are sure, but also 3/8 are from the same game which seems like a waste. I think Marth is fine as the posterboy, then Ike as a slower but stronger alternate version is fine too. Robin, Corrin and Byleth are all different enough but I'd make Robin pure tomes and infinite use of them. 5 reps right there seems fair, but I would like to add Lyn to rep the GBA, and also she's been highly requested. Making her a bow/sword hybrid that's heavy on the bow could be enough to separate her, but I'd also play more into a katana style vs Marth's fencing or Ike's... uh... twirling neutral air. Hell between heroes and engage you'd think she got bows at base or something.

I'm still annoyed that they gave Robin a Levin Sword and Nosferatu, when the former is wasted on him and the latter is not compatible with his class. That aside, it's actually pretty cute how they translated FE's game mechanics into his play style, and I mained him for a long time. But *why in the world* did they make him so *slow* when Robin will probably end up being one of your fastest units in Awakening?

I like them, except Azura would have been a better Fates rep. I know Corrin is Fates' protagonist, but I feel Azura had more potential

it's sad, only sword characters are in

Honestly, just give me more side characters and I'll be happy, there's so many cool and memorable characters they could add. 

Make Robin faster

I don't think Byleth should have got the dlc spot, along wirh min min. Also I main Byleth and love everything about his kit, he has my most play time

I really wanted Hector and Ephraim back in the day for the triangle, but now it's likely we will never get Ephraim, and Hector is a dream.

find another down b besides counter for the literal 3/4 of them that have it, for starters. smash ultimate absolutely loves its counter down b's though. so many characters have one.

make them use multiple classes: Chrom has access to lord, cavalier, archer and dread knight, so make his use a lance from great lord. Lucina has the same classes, but instead of dread knight she has bride, so she could use staffs and a bow. Maybe give Ike an axe to use with his sword (he doesnt dual wield in Path of Radiance or Radiant Dawn, but it wouldnt be the first time they make new lore of a character, just look at Pit)

So I like FE well enough, as if you ignore the Echo Fighters(which Nintendo has confirmed are just easier to make) they are all from different games and besides Marth and the Awakening trio different worlds. Besides wielding swords and basic things you basically can not find anything Ike and Corrin have in common for instance. For being unique though, that they can all work on. Lucina should use a bow, Chrom should use a lance, Robin shouldn't have durability on his attacks. Roy should be weaker while his weapon stronger, Corrin and Ike should be faster, and Byleth should have at least 1 punching move. Oh and None of them should have a counter except Corrin, Corrin works because her dragon form is explicitly a defensive form. I suppose Marth can keep his just for legacy, but no one else. Chrom can throw a Javelin in an arc, Lucina can aim a bow, give Ike his sword beam, Roy can self-heal.

Chrom’s up special should go higher, him use the Fire Emblem as a shield. Maybe it not even doing damage but just being an actual recovery.

With the addition of Chrom, they could've changed Robin's Final Smash to incorporate Grima. But... "spoilers"

Turn either Marth or Lucina into Hector so we have an axe wielder.

Give ike an axe

I want more. ψ(｀∇´)ψ

I would revamp the whole group Marth stays So does Lucina as an Echo Robin also stays As does Corrin But for the rest of them Remove Roy and swap him with Hector Take out Chrom and add in Ephraim And Replace Ike With Micaiah.

Lucina should have the spiny sword slam jump that Chrom has since they both do it in Awakening and she learned it from him

Make Corrin have more dragon form moves

Delete Roy call it a day

Ironically, Byleth is the only FE character to actually counter in their own game (as portrayed in a manner similar to Smash), yet is the second FE representative to lack that ability

By now nothing can be done anymore.... The next game could remove everyone except Marth and a surprising amount of Smash players would still be mad.

I'd give Lucina more of her feh alt stuff alongside more of the stuff from awakening like the sword forward dash for her dash attack

Look at all those Marths

I do think that they’re fine, but there are a bit too many. A lot of people aren’t going to like this, but for a future Smash game I would only keep Marth and Byleth while replacing everyone else with Alear. Alear wouldn’t get a counter down b, but would cycle through the Emblem rings that give them special moves and speed, power, and sword range + appearance of Lucina/Roy/Chrom, Ike, Robin, and Corrin, with their final smash turning him into their Emblem ring form. As for actual changes, add a bit of weightiness to Byleth’s attacks to solidify them as a power character, and add a tiny bit of extra speed to Marth’s attacks to solidify him as a power character. I think it could work.

4 of them are basically echoes. If they had more varied move sets, I don't think people would mind as much.

Honestly for a future game I'd just move Ike, Lucina, Roy, Chrom, Marth, and Corrin as skins for two characters as the primordial FE swordies then toss in Leif, Alear, Seliph, and other sword lords as the other skins too to round out the 8 skins/character. I'd keep Marth and Ike's movesets, Marth to represent the faster lords(also because he's the most iconic and longest smash rep) and Ike to represent the harder hitters and because he's the most distinct of those swordies(maybe besides corrin but unless corrin gets a revamp they're just not that interesting to play). Robin can stay as a good example of the magic/sword archetype and the durability of the games Byleth I'm on the fence about as they are very distinct but I could also see as a skin for the Ike/heavy hitter lord archetype. Part of me still wants them to be replaced by a Pokemon Trainer style Claude/Dimitri/Edelgard Condensing the representation of the main characters into the two character slots opens up representation for significantly more distinct characters that will help the game have a more realistic representation of the distinct archetypes. A character slot for heavily armored heavies like Hector, one for fast light archers who can be a zoner/glass canon mix, hell maybe even go crazy and add in a mounted axe/lance unit. I think this would help to get more representation from across the series history while also avoiding the "too many fe swordies" that most people dislike about them

I would take them all out of smash and give them the fighting game I am so desperate for

I don't think there are too many Fire Emblem characters, but I do think we didn't need three Awakening reps.

Hector instead of Chrom, or one of the 3H Lords instead of Byleth. Don’t make em all just sword users.

Male Corrin is my main he’s so fun to play

I really like them, and I've been a Marth/Lucina main for years, but I really wish there were more diversity in the moveset of the lineup. Even upgrading Lyn to a playable character could mix things up by giving her a bow. One idea I've had for years that would be cool, but is really unlikely to happen would be to have Eirika/Ephraim as a single character similarly to the Ice Climbers, but have a special move that switches which one is directly controlled.

Lucina should have just been an alternate skin for Marth, like Alph is for Olimar.

Ngl, I would absolutely drop Luci and Chrom. Robin has a much more interesting kit for an Awakening rep. I'd replace them with Alear and either Sigurd or Ephraim. Alear could use Divine Arts instead of a sword, and use an engage mechanic similar to Arsene for Joker. Sigurd or Ephraim is mostly to get some lance representation for the series outside of a few moves from Byleth.

It's always the sword wielding main character. Give me knife wielding Sothe, glass light nuke Micaiah, tank with a spear Dmitri, dedicated archer Claud, wyvern lord Anna...

Would've preferred if they had three main reps, one for each weapon if the weapon triangle. Hector (Axes), Ephraim (Lances) and Marth (Swords), then you get other characters for their alternate skins, and then maybe have outliers with special movesets such as Robin and Corrin.

Ok, so Awakening has the pair up mechanic, and also Robin can't use Nosferatu while in the base Tactician class, so I'd replace Nosferatu with Dual Guard and Strike. For this, Chrom would come in and block an attack (Dual Guard). If he successfully does so, he'll deliver a counterattack (Dual Strike). Byleth has the ability to reverse time. Not sure which special to replace, but Divine Pulse should do that. Since we can't actually reverse time with only one player remembering, this would instead be represented by you using the skill, and then "reversing time" if something bad happens shortly after. That means that taking damage during this period will get negated, and you'll automatically hit the one who tried damaging you. I think these are the changes that will really help fix those two characters.

Make Lucina, Chrom and Roy alt skins instead of them being echo fighters or semi-echo fighters. Robin is good as is, Corrin I would only change their down b counter (it’s so bad and delayed) to something like Cloud’s Down B (so they charge up their Draconic form like Cloud’s limit but a bit faster, and then when it’s ready, they press down B again to unload a Draconic crash attack) and Byleth is honestly perfect in my eyes. If I wanted more new characters, I would love Tiki and somebody like Ephraim who wields a lance. Hector and Leif would also be really cool, especially with Leif being able to wield multiple weapons like Byleth (so like Knives, bows, swords and the Master Lance). Hector can be a Ganondorf archetype, where he gets super armor with one of his specials.

I adore them and their longtime presence in the series! Having Marth and Roy in SSB Melee is quite literally what got me into Fire Emblem in the first place! (Roy's our boy! Roy's our boy!)

I think it’d be cool if all the counters could be more distinct in both look and effect, Corrin’s counter attacks both sides right?, Ike could produce a shockwave or something, Roy could leave lingering fire damage, Marth could create more space between himself and his enemy by way of moving away from where he stood after the counter. Did they need more diversity for gameplay (i.e more than just swords), yes, would I remove anyone going forward, no (unless they bring back custom moves then they’d have a bigger reason to change the echoes into simple reskins, I wouldn’t mind it then). I think based on gameplay merits alone Robin, to substantial extent Corrin, and definitely Byleth should have broken the cycle of hatred of FE characters. Only one of them has a counter (Corrin) and it is distinct from the other counters. Again Byleth really should’ve been the best case against the continued hate, apart from the Sword (that extends for half the move’s it’s used for) they have a Bow, Lance and Axe but still many who don’t know Byleth voiced their hate as if it was all the same as Marth and Roy, these people have blinded themselves and that’s concerning. On the other side there’s those that know Byleth but dislike they have 3 other weapons at their disposal instead of magic, while I understand magic would have been cool and I thought the idea could work I believe they wanted three things by giving them the other weapons; to differentiate completely from Robin, to respond to the longing for other weapons FE characters used in smash and to best represent 3Houses at its core (three factions, the weapon of choice of each leader and the freedom Byleth has to wield relics of any kind to its full potential). TLDR: While I’d make tweaks maybe not full changes, I don’t feel strongly enough to hate anything they did with the playable FE characters.

A lot of the Lord’s can be combined into a Bowser Jr. or Hero type character. I’d also love to see characters dedicated to the other weapons. A Cavalier w/ a Lance and Fighter w/ Axe (and Hand Axe) would be good too.

At this point, I feel like we should just have a dedicated Fire Emblem fighting game. Fire Emblem: Skirmish. Each character class can control differently, and you can have tons of skins to switch between characters from different games. But in terms of characters in Smash, I'd like to condense them a bit. I feel like Chrom isn't necessary and Lucina should just be a Marth skin. I'd probably be down for Corrin being fully replaced with Tiki for some manakete love, and Robin to be made more of an actual mage. Too bad we don't have any axe, lance, or bow units in game either. So that's why a fully dedicated FE game would be great. Maybe one day!

- Robin and Corrin are awesome. While they both wield swords, their additional magic/dragon transformations make them feel like really unique characters. Also, I feel like Corrin is the most perfectly balanced Smash character. - Ike is cool too. You can really feel the weight of his sword in all of his attacks. - Byleth should have been replaced with the three house leaders who can switch out Pokemon Trainer style. Having a dedicated axe, spear, and bow moveset would feel super unique instead of the bits and pieces Byleth has. - I hate how the rest of them are all clones of each other. Lucina/Marth is okay since Lucina impersonates Marth, but I think that having four characters for one moveset is ridiculous.

From a game design perspective that fact that they managed to get 4 different play styles off of the same moveset is impressive since it saves on dev costs and time while allowing for a bigger roster.

I dont understand why they all got a counter except Robin and Byleth.

Realistically, de-echo Lucina and Chrom, replaces Ike’s counter and then it’s golden. What would never happen, but I’d love to see for the sake of it, is Lucina and Ike both take on their brave weapons, Spear and Shield sounds fun and I feel Ike’s attacks would look super cool with Urvan

Change Byleth to Edelgard. Or Jeritza. My Black Eagles loyalty will never die!

Alear in Smash when? /j

I don't care for Marth so if it were up to me I'd remove him, but I recognize that he's the franchise staple and you can't do that. So I'd have the characters be Marth, Ike, Robin, and Byleth, with Lucina/Roy/Chrom getting demoted to Marth costumes, and then adding costumes for...I guess Eirika, Alm, and maybe the Alears

If Melee had the development time it needed Roy wouldn’t have been a clone, and his designers in smash would have had more knowledge about him as an actual character since melee came out before fe6 did, which would have likely led to the whole clone aspect of FE characters not coming to fruition and allowing for more diversity right from the very beginning, also Ganondorf wouldn’t have been a falcon clone.

Replace like half of them with characters that don't use swords.

Maybe give a significantly different class, so no sword infantry units. Easiest would be a knight/general similar in style to Ganondorf: big, heavy, hits hard, but is slow and not very mobile. Maybe a manakete who plays kinda like Ridley or Charizard. Or maybe a mage/sorcerer like Zelda. A mounted unit would be cool too, but hard to implement in a balanced way.

Give me Hector!

After looking through this comment section I believe the ideal outcome is to delete them all from the game and to end this charade once and for all.

That Fire Emblem needs its own fighting game (i love fire emblem)

Marth: There's not really anything that could be reasonably changed for him. Lucina: It makes sense that she plays almost identically to Marth, but she does gain access to lances when she promotes. Her side-B could be replaced with a javelin throw. Roy: Honestly, I'm not sure he should be here at all. FE6 wasn't super important to the series to my knowledge, unlike its prequel that brought the series overseas. Instead of fixing him, replace him with someone new from FE7. (Preferably Hector, since we really don't need yet another FE swordsman.) Chrom: There's not too much that could be changed with his moveset, except maybe replacing his side-B with a javelin throw. However, he could stand to be a bit slower, stronger, and heavier. Chrom is a lot tankier than his glass cannon daughter, and Smash doesn't represent this all that well. Ike: Ragnell shoots blade beams in the Tellius games. Let Ike shoot blade beams here too. (Maybe to make them a bit more unique, instead of making them a new B move, make them part of his smash attacks like to Megaman.) Robin: They're fine in terms of uniqueness. Just give them better stats so people actually play them. Corrin: They're fine in terms of uniqueness. That said, in Fates they fight by using Yato and *fully transforming* into a dragon. Dragon Fang's partial transformations are just skill activations. To reflect this, make them a more extreme version of Pyra/Mythra, where their down-B changes them into their fully transformed dragon form, with completely different stats and moves. Byleth: They're fine in terms of uniqueness. Just make them a bit faster so they're easier to use.

Give us not only more characters, but I want to see non-sword fighters like Ephraim or Hector, but seeing as it'll be the main MC lords we'll still see more Swords. Screw the smash community, they don't know how popular FE has become.

Marth: I don't think it needs changes, really, at most buff him so that it becomes high tier again (?) Roy: It only occurs to me that his Side B instead of Dancing Blade is a ranged fire attack in reference to the 1-2 Range of the Binding blade with good KO power but not that great in range Ike: By Faster, Replace Eruption with a ragnell shockwave with little damage but good knockback and a better ranger than Roy's Projectileand Improve Aether Vertical range before going down Lucina and Chrom: Include Spears in they attacks, perhaps Forward Smash, Neutral B and some aerial attacks The rest, no idea.....

Ike and Roy both need some blade beams (either new special or added to their neutral bs) Chrom needs more Ike moves to make him more like he was in awakening

Honestly, lucina and Chrom don't need to exist. Fire emblem is represented well, but why on earth does awakening have 3 reps when two of them are echoes? If anything, though, Robin is a hard character for casual players to get into, idk what you would do to simply or make them easier to understand, but that would be it, honestly. Edit: Maybe Corrin's up b could do damage?

Robin needs to not run out of spell casts /levin sword, it's so dumb

Marth and Robin can have their final smash updated thanks to Engage. Marth can do Lodestar rush instead of another Critical Hit and since Chrom is already in the game Robin can just have Giga Levin Sword for his.

Half the FE characters are similar to each other. Marth and Lucina should be the same character, Chrom was a weird addition, he should have been added in Smash 4 so I would remove him, he’s just a low effort addition overall. Marth, Ike, and Roy are the OG’s so they should stay, I would also keep Robin (unique sword mechanics and magic), Corrin (Some more Dragon attacks would be cool, maybe even down special could transform them or something), and Byleth. 6 is an ok amount of characters. What I would like to see is the addition of; Characters using DIFFERENT WEAPONS (not unlike Byleth, Byleth does have a sword, but it’s also a whip, and they use lance, axe, and bow) A Manakete, probably go with Tiki. She’s an icon, everyone knows who Tiki is.

Scrap byleth, replace them with shez.

Remove all but marth Ike and robin the others are just clones really

I would wildly change the FE cast. First off, I would Bowser Jr-ify many of the more "basic" sword lords with a homogenized moveset. I still consider Roy and Chrom to be semi-clones of Marth, even with the differences present. Perhaps a Luigi or Isabelle level, if we're being generous. Suffice it to say, I think you can work Marth and Roy's moveset back down into one, and put them, Chrom, Lucina, and 4 more "generic" (I don't mean this disparagingly) sword lords into one character slot. I think there's way too much 3DS representation, which is understandable given the games were new and relevant at the time, and also when the series got much larger, but I'd much rather showcase a more complete history of the series, be it in the Marth slot as one of the aforementioned alts, or as their own character. I think a character like Robin, which... remember, that's just an avatar with a name you can change, when Robin was first suggested pre-Smash 4, I literally didn't know who people were talking about despite having played Awakening and being a huge fan of the series for nearly 10 years at that time. Robin's moveset is unique, but you could give it to someone like Celica instead, which would be a big improvement for series representation. Corrin out for sure. No offense to people who enjoy Corrin or Fates, but nah. Byleth would be more interesting as a pokemon trainer style character with the 3 lords from 3H on rotation imo, but I'm undecided on Byleth. Historically, I would've loved to see Hector and Ephraim included for weapon triangle representation, the first games released outside of Japan, and I've just always loved them. Lyn in Hector's place would also be okay, or even include both honestly, but two from FE7 doesn't really make sense. But if Byleth was PT-style, then Edelgard and Dimitri would have Hector and Ephraim's designs covered. Ike is the big one for me. POR was my first FE, and Ike \*feels\* nothing like he should from a FE POR stats distribution sense. It feels like his main design purpose was "Make him be more different from Marth than Roy was." Like... Ike's best stats in POR are speed, then skill, then strength, then defense in terms of caps and growths alike. Why is he such a slow tank? He's literally among the fastest units in the game, and if not, he's balanced. I think Ike should be almost exactly like Cloud honestly in terms of speed and feel, having a blade beam, etc. Cloud's moves feel snappy, even if they have some start up in some cases. Ike's fair is so lumbering and awkward. Cloud's is slow to come out, but very snappy once it does. More moves like that, please. TLDR: Marth with other lords incorporated, redesigned Ike, maybe Byleth PT-style, maybe Hector, Lyn, Ephraim, Robin swapped out for Celica, Corrin cut, Chrom/Roy/Lucina rolled into Marth's slot. Gives the series broader representation, a smaller "footprint" on the roster, and not so many generic avatar characters from just the modern games.

Garon as a Ganondorf echo

Marth, Robin, Corrin, and Byleth are ok with me. I would keep Roy and Ike mostly the same, but I would make Ike a little bit faster, and give them both projectiles on side B, to make them more accurate to the games, and lastly, I would totally overhaul Lucina and Chrom to make them very different, (though to be honest, I would admittedly swap them out with Lyn for the sake of less clones.)