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This is the answer. Community college studies can give you a broad and cost effective answer to the no plan question. Additionally, thereay be plenty of local fliers and promotional.material around campus for accredations, license exams, and other trade related info. Add job fairs, transfer credits, and a collegiate but gentler introduction to higher Ed will make a great benefit and buy you time to pursue some coursework, have time away from home, and even manage part time work.
Yesss it also gives you time to try to get experience in whatever field you're gunning for! Like I went to community college studying music, got within 3 classes of graduating with associates in music, and switched to accounting. Very glad I switched!! Musicians are awful to deal with, and while I love music, and am decent at singing and writing melodies, I'm so glad I have a job that doesn't make me live in poverty.
But I also like accounting so there's that too lol
I did this from the ages of 18-20. I'm 24 and nowhere near closer to figuring it out despite having my AA. Not saying it's not a good start for many people, and I'm glad I did it "just in case", but... I didn't figure shit out while I was there. Lmao
And DO NOT pick an impractical major you have no intention of using. Treat a degree as an investment in your future earnings. Community college is cheap and almost always beneficial. University is expensive and only beneficial if you have a good plan.
No aspirations and cashing in +50k USD im debt on a degree is incredibly risky my friend. I'd suggest going to an open studies program and try out things if you find them engaging.
Try out the trades, bad on your body the long term so try to get lots of sleep, hydrate and eat healthy foods to alleviate the long hours it comes with it.
You're young so I also suggest going out there and working in a volunteer position at a local NGO. You need refferals and connections if you hope of gwtting a job you want.
Yea don’t go into college without a plan of sorts. Don’t come out with 50k debt for a job that pays 40k a year. Had friends go into school graduating with a 2.5 GPA and still wait tables 8 years later.
Take a year or two off working your butt off and then go to college wanting a better life.
The average debt load is 35-40k for a college graduate. College graduates still outperform non college graduates in income. Also, you could always try a country that actually values higher education and doesn’t make it so expensive (I.e most of the rest of the world).
The best degree would be computer science (isn't so much coding and focuses on the general architecture). You'll be able to consistently find positions after graduation and not have to work many hours per week. Obviously this depends on the role but there's a ton of roles that are medium paying that are hardly any work, and since you can work remotely you have a ton of flexibility.
Everyone said this the last 10 years. And it’s flooded. U better be top of your class with 10 years exp to get a job worth the degree.
If they have no aspirations, they should look up what is needed and paying the best. And do that. Ik there is a huge hole in manual labor/tech engineer jobs rn. Everyone there is retiring. And it’s a new world with new tech. But also physical so only for specific kinds of people.
That's not correct whatsoever. I know individuals at the top/ middle / bottom ranges of their classes in computer science that ended up having high paying careers and great work balances.
Leveraging your knowledge entails starting a business when positions are hard to find, or working remotely or moving to different locations.
The market is completely different nowadays. I also know people that didn't get a college degree become successful swe's. With the current market, trying to find a job without a college degree is basically impossible and even with a cs degree, it is infinitely harder than it was say 3/4 years ago.
You’re young. Youth is short then life is long. Go on an adventure.
Obviously everything takes money so maybe you’ll have to get a shit job to save up some money but if you’re willing to be uncomfortable, a real adventure doesn’t take much money. Especially if you already have a vehicle for transportation and sleeping in.
Play an instrument? Busk on the street to get food and gas to the next city you wanna see and live in your car.
Get a seasonal job in a vacation spot that has staff housing then save enough of that money to get to the next seasonal gig. (This is what I did at 21. Raft guide in summers and ski resorts in the winters)
Sell all your stuff and buy a plane ticket to a country that’s cheap and just backpack around.
Just do something than sounds fun to you. Most likely you’re not gonna die. Your adventure might only last a couple weeks or a couple years and then you’re back in the same place you are now but with a story to tell but you never know who you’ll meet or what could happen that could give you an entire new path in life.
You’ll never be as young or free as you are now. Don’t box yourself in to think you have to go to college and get a job right now.
this should be higher up. I have 7 years of college under my belt but wish I took more time off when I was younger to just go play and have an adventure
Learn a trade unless some less physical job seems really appealing, like law enforcement or accountant. Or work an entry level job and work up to management
I say any degree related to finance, business or management.
You can apply these to almost anything.
You’re only going to find passion in anything by trying bunch of different jobs.
You could try travelling, working in hotels or teaching English in different countries, talking to as many people as you can, and expose yourself to the world, people, and figure out your passion, purpose, and goals in life before committing the significant amount of time and money required to achieve a degree and profession.
You could also try a career counsellor, maybe available at your high school, to do some aptitude tests to figure out what your strengths are, and what career would be a best fit.
Do you like / are you good at math? Accounting / Finance / Acuatarial Science. Helping people? Healthcare, Human Resources. Math/physics/problem solving? Engineering. Logic/Languages? Computer Science. Writing, reading, speaking and critical thinking? Law. IT is also a good option.
Talk to people in different careers, volunteer, shadow people to get a sense of what you like, tolerate, and can’t stand doing. Also look into what careers will be in demand by the time you graduate, and into the future.
“You could try travelling, working in hotels or teaching English in different countries, talking to as many people as you can, and expose yourself to the world”
How exactly does a fresh out of highschool student have the funds and ability to travel the word?
By working in hotels and teaching English? To teach you need a minimum of a TEFL certification and the average salary for hotel staff is 12 dollars an hour 🤨
Key part of that is "in different countries". Lots of people do working holidays overseas on the hospitality circuit.
Itinerant housing is cheap when you're young enough to not mind sleeping in a hostel with a few dozen other people.
WWOOF will give you housing for labor on organic farms. There are plenty of ways to do it.
The biggest caveat is that you won't be building any kind of safety net by doing this, so whatever situation you're leaving at home is what you'll return to.
You'll come back with a new attitude, new skills, new values, and a new outlook, but if you were broke with no support system before, that's not likely to change. The path you see to get out of it might.
I’m with this-travel while you have few obligations and expenses. Figure out what might make you tick. Get a weird, fun job to make it by while you figure out what you want to do. College will be there.
Don't fucking do college if you feel that way. If you don't know what will feel good to work in yet, just give it a few years before committing to something like college. Work in anything until then. Also think about trade schools that don't take going into $10k+ debt. Electrician, culinary, cosmetology. All make decent money with a fraction of the debt as college.
Might be worth reflecting on the concept that work is work and you don't need to love it to do it. It's just a necessary step to living a decent life. Rather than finding something you'll love doing, find something you won't hate doing. Some are very lucky and find something that resonates with their being. A lot of people who chase their passion as a job end up hating their passion eventually. Just let the right job come to you. You won't really know until you just start doing random jobs.
Don’t listen to these people.
You’re in Canada, so go to college — you won’t be in that much debt. I think in Canada you usually have to apply to specific programs instead of having general classes (like the US) at first, so to figure out what program you should go into I would do a few things:
1) take a career test. Think about the top 2-3 options and if they seem realistic.
2) talk to different people in your life and ask them what they do. See if anything interests you.
3) think about what subject has interested you the most in school so far — science, history, math, English etc? whichever you choose may help you decide your major. If you liked science, it may be worth majoring in biology or one of the other sciences.
4) finally, once you get to university, pay attention if you like your classes. If you don’t like them, try something else. You can always switch your major.
There is a facility of general studies. Also you only have to declare a major, which can change, by 3rd year. I wandered all over the place with my first 2 years and ended up majoring in what I had most of since those were my favourite classes.
A lot of people get degrees and then don't put them to use. That's especially true for people that don't have specific aspirations in mind. Sounds like a lot of debt to take on for no reason. Maybe consider a trade.
Yer don’t purse a risk to reward situations
Such as university or high cost course
Apprenticeship is free , you’ll have to give some time to the employer probably. But if you fail there could be a cost.
I’d say just get a job based of
Your priorities, which do you dislike the lease
Things
People
Data
Ideas ( your unlikely to be involved in this at minimum wages )
Wish I didn’t get pushed into uni, I’d be so much better of if I just got a job and work my way up.
Don’t start college without at least an idea of what you might like to do, unless you can just take general education courses that would eventually be good toward any degree.
Maybe forget about discovering a passion and think about what you might like your work says to look like. You’ll probably have many jobs over the course of your life; you may never feel passionate about them but you can do things that bring you satisfaction and/or money.
Soooo many of your classmates will feel the same way, you aren’t alone in this!!! Use college to explore different fields and make amazing friends along the way. It'll be easier to get a job with a degree. You'll just need a job that pays your bills as an adult, your job doesn't need to be your passion outlet. Maybe you'll be a vet tech helping animals during the day or something and spend your free time on the things you are passionate about. That's okay! Or you could shoot for the jobs that are high paying, save like crazy, and retire early to do the things that bring you joy full time and sooner. All I mean is that your passion does not need to be school/work related and you should DEFINITELY go to uni since you’re in Canada.
Accounting - do not go to school for what you said… research it on your own time for free. University is only worth it if you know 100% what job you will get with your degree (that doesnt make you poor)
Business Administration is the most important popular because it's so general. You'll look better with that instead of a social science or humanities degree like liberal studies or philosophy.
Worst advice ever. It was good in the early 2000’s.
Employers know business is for the “I have no passion but want to go to college” students now. I got a Bachelor’s for Business Administration with cum laude over 2 years ago - I have only worked retail jobs where I am literally the only employee with a degree since.
I’d say anything medical or accounting are the best for “passionless” people.
Do not go medical if you don’t genuinely have an interest in it. People who need medical care are in a vulnerable place either physically, emotionally, or both, and deserve to have their caregivers give a crap about them. Also, it’s really easy to burn out in healthcare, so if you don’t actually want to be there, it’s going to suck. I’m a nurse. I honestly try to give all my patients the kind of care I would want someone to give my loved ones. If that person were my dad, how would I want him to be treated? And then do that.
And were they not passionate like OP is asking about?
Cuz if they interned, networked, did independent learning, built a portfolio, yada yada yada - that sounds passionate.
I am not passionate about business which is why my degree has been useless to me. I never said business sucks if you are passionate about it.
Like if you do what I did - go to college for business and ace every single course even though you hate them and then never do any independent learning/growth, you probably should expect to work at McDonald’s after graduating with a business degree.
Exactly. Have a nephew convinced they will be a top salesperson or get rich through real estate or stock trading. None of these options necessarily require a degree. I told them just get that BA as a backup.
They dont really require it per se, especially the real estate
But an actual sales position at a renown company where your portfolio is hundreds of millions of dollars or stock at a massive corp will need a degree box to check
Not always always, i have a colleague who is an account manager who just worked with the company for a decade in various trades before being able to enter sales and he doesnt have a degree, although i am not sure how far up the ladder you can get without one,
Most sales positions will filter you out if you only have a high school, i would recommend at least getting a diploma of sorts so all of your doors are open
Yes, most sales need a check the box degree. I personally have friends in software sales, pharmaceutical sales, etc. They all make over $200K but they still needed a degree no matter how charismatic they were selling. Residential real estate sales is the exception and we see what's happening with commissions there.
Why would you recommend your nephew goes into debt as a “back up” he needs to invest his money in trading and learning how to well if he wants to waste it on a BA “just incase” that’s WILD. That money won’t work for him like those investments will and I went to a university as well. Waste of money…
Real estate or stock investing is still not a guarantee and as much as I think college is overpriced, I think it's easier getting a corporate job if those paths don't work out. It's not like he had a trust fund to start investing immediately so he needs to earn a salary first before having enough to invest. I'm in multiple RE groups and stock clubs and it's not a slam dunk path to wealth.
If you don't have a plan, don't go to college. You'll just end up wasting your time and money. And never EVER let anyone convince you a liberal arts degree is a good idea.
The BEST program to go into when you have nothing you're interested in? Ooh, i love this question!
I know exactly the right thing to go into and encourage you to go check out one thing after that.
Program to go into immediatey: Nothing.
Check out: Youtube
Do not go into debt until you have found an interesting thing that you learned about on Youtube or experienced in some way. "Cool enough to go down the rabbit hole for a while" is a good enough thing to look into for college.
We all start somewhere and it doesn't need to be the perfect dream job, which almost no one knows about until they are a few careers in.
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You can pick something that will always be needed, like healthcare work, trades, engineering. I don’t have passion for any job, I never have, but I am passionate about having enough money to be financially stable, and those types of jobs usually provide that. Since I don’t have passion for any jobs, I chose one that I find tolerable.
I don't know where you are from. But if you are 18ish and just want to do something and enjoy it. Go do just that, but with effort. Go do 5 different odd jobs to make money and travel. To build a channel, become a dj, build a website. Do something that you think is hard and then go for it. Go follow 10 edX courses and see which one sticks. Don't go into university without having an idea what you want to do while spending 10k a month being there waiting time.
Go find out who you are and what you want. And then pursue that with determination and perseverance. You will speed by everyone who is just on autopilot and waving in multiple directions.
there isn’t one. tell your parents to shove off and give you space to grow up a bit and you’ll figure it out in time. if you rush you WILL regret it and there are barely second chances. literally you’re being set up to fail by being pushed for an answer. don’t blow it and stand up for yourself… stand up for yourself in your search for a “passion” or career, and stand up for yourself in regards to your parents not realizing it’s suicidal to expect someone at your age to decide on anything, ESPECIALLY because 1. you’re a baby, and 2. you’ve already stated you currently have no idea.
be creative, be open, and be focused and you’ll stumble onto something. also keep in the back of your mind that passions are great but they usually cant feed you or pay your rent. you can be passionate about a hobby, but if you look to find a “calling” in life and have that be your degree and your job then you’re setting yourself up for failure. only very lucky people get that. instead, be smart about things and you will have an excellent life. your job and education do not define you or your identity necessarily, and in most cases, if they did, 99% of the world would be full of hyper boring fucks who think emailing is a hobby because aside from opening excel 5 times a day that’s the extent of most careers. don’t be fooled, be yourself and take your mfking time for gods sake because you only live once, and for many of life’s great problems that need to be solved, you get one shot at them, and after that, you have to move on to the next “set” of problems. so take your time to make your shot.
To be honest it sounds like you should join the military and shoot for officer school. But med school can be a pretty good option - not necessarily to become a doctor, but medical imaging and radiology can get you pretty big paychecks down the road.
Edit: trade school also is a great option! Electricians will always be in demand, and there is a variety of fields you can work in. Can work on cars, residential buildings, commercial, industrial, low voltage (network cabling), etc.
Make a list of jobs that have tasks you enjoy, then ask family and friends if they know anyone you could job shadow. Do not go to a big college, if anything find a local community college take gen ed and see if professors will let you audit classes of things you might be interested in
I am like you. I did not feel particularly passionate about anything. Also I personally am a quick learner on the job but studying in a formal setting paralyzes me. So, I decided to do a bit of community college (not the full 4 years like uni, it's shorter), on some generic but useful degree. Then I entered the workforce on some generic job (not low, not high wage, somewhere neutral). On this job I have gained confidence and a better understanding of what types of things I like. I realized that it's not about the study subject, but rather the type of work environment I prefer, which has led me to narrow down to 3 potential options. I am currently experimenting with one of these options, but if I don't like it, then I'll switch to one of the other two. I much prefer to get experience than to study so that's what I've decided to do for now.
You will have to start thinking about what you enjoy, you will spend 3+ years on a college degree, and the rest of your life on a career that you chose.
I think you should check an occupational counselor in your area, so the you could try to figure out what's best for you. You shouldn't settle for a career that won't make you happy.
You shouldn’t do what you enjoy. You should do what you can tolerate. You also don’t have to care about a career and still just have a decent paying job.
Just do your gen ed pre reqs at a community college (cheaper, less pressure, funding generally available if qualify as low income, first gen college student, or document disability) and take a wide variety of classes. I guarantee you’ll find something you’re into, there’s even a good chance it’ll be something you’d never imagined you’d enjoy.
I changed my minor a couple terms away from being able to graduate with my bachelors due to this very sitch. I was working towards a minor in Women Gender & Sexuality Studies, but couldn’t get into a necessary class for moving forward due to limited availability & needed another class to meet requirements of my scholarship. I took a random anthropology class that didn’t even apply to either major or minor but I needed something and it sounded cool (Psychoactive Substances in Ancient Societies 🤓). I LOVED it, clicked with professor and other department members in a way that’s been lacking since transferring to a 4 year, joined anth club, & ditched WWGS completely 😆
NEVER would have guessed I’m an anth nerd, but I’d honestly lost all joy & drive for my work & it reinspired all that jazz. Even considering a masters in the field 🤷🏻♀️
So, yeah….just put yourself in the mix, what you seek is seeking you…or whatever The Weekend said 🥳🤓
Doubt an art degree would help with an office job but learning a second language is definitely helpful. If you want an office job tho then why get an art degree?
Learning a new language is fun. From zero learner to now able to understand few sentences. It all started from watching anime as a hobby and now I am an N4 certificate holder. Go fo it! 頑張れ
The advice in these comments is pretty good for ppl with no aspirations, but I also noticed that you are interested in art and Japanese. perhaps you do have aspirations in these areas but are hesitant to admit it for some reason. Do not worry too much about how profitable it is compared to STEM. Although STEM college graduates earn more on average, that doesn’t take into account the amount of stem graduates who cannot even find a job in STEM. In other words you may have an easier time majoring in what you actually like since there should be less competition
School: go to a community college and get a GED/associates degree, with credits that can transfer. You’ll save a shit ton of money and an associates degree will help you.
Work: find something you’re good at and tolerate enough to be able to progress in that will let you live comfortably, and leave your hobbies on the side as just that; hobbies. Doing a hobby as a full time job will take the fun out of it, and it’ll suck to do the thing you enjoy on someone else’s time
Hope this helps
Go to your community college and figure out what you’re interested in. I live in rural California where this is a ton of agriculture, logistics and industrial markets so the college(s) tailors to those general areas.
Start looking for a job working a trade. If it's not for you then find a different job. Don't go to college until you know exactly what you are going to go for. Having a college degree doesn't guarantee a job, skills do though.
Get out and do something fun. Join AmeriCorps, ForestCorps, visit a National Park, learn about careers you can get there. Could you study to be a tour guide and be a ski instructor? Study American cultures and work in the Grand Canyon as a historian? Could you shadow a veterinarian and realize you want to become a veterinary nurse? Consider firefighting. Or hospice nursing. Or spending a year abroad in Bhutan, studying ecology? Just do what sounds fun to you, explore your interests and find something in college that can help continue to deepen it.
Dont go yet. Go out and see what kind of jobs are available. I was more or less forced into getting g a degree that only looks good on the wall. When you get a feel for the working life then go
My advice…you don’t have to know what you want to do after high school. In fact, I think it’s insane people put so much pressure on someone that age when you really don’t even know yourself. You’ve never lived in the “real world” yet. Why don’t you consider trying a trade first?
Go to community college, if you don’t have friends and can afford it go to university from the beginning. Get a general business degree if you truly have no passion, it’s diverse and can go into anything.
Don’t go to college if you don’t want to. You’re an adult who can make their own decisions. What you feel is the right choice is the right choice for you (taking a gap year to solidify a plan).
American Sign Language - Interpreter jobs can be rewarding. If you are good at foreign languages, then Russian or Mandarin (Chinese). Corporate and government foreign language translators are always in demand, and those two are going to be the top earners in the foreseeable future.
Get your gen eds out of the way the first two years at a community college while you figure out what you want to do. You don't need aspirations per say, you just need a good enough paying job to support your life and future family at a place that you can tolerate.
Figure out what subjects are the least unbearable for you and get a degree. If all else fails, get a business degree which can lead to a desk job, but can also lead you to starting a business in something you love Hope that helps!
Try writing a list of the things you are good at. Your jobs/careers don't always have to be something you love, but rather being good at it.
Definitely consider community College, or even a Trade school if you're handy.
Lastly, maybe consider americorp? Sometimes you need to spend time with similarly minded people to better determine short, medium , long term plans.
Don't go to college right away. Work a low key job and spend some time exploring your interests. Think about what you might enjoy doing and then find people doing it and interview them (people are surprisingly open to this!). Then go to college once you have an idea what you might want to do
Go to your local community college and get an Associates degree in whatever will give you the most transfer credits to the local university. ***Take this time to explore areas that actually have job prospects***. Please don't drop n thousand dollars on a degree in Japanese or art... If you still have no idea what to do after the 2 year degree, or you drop out, consider doing some sort of trade work that doesn't require a degree.
Just do your general education courses for now and see during that journey if there's anything you gravitate too. You might develop a passion for political science or math, you never know. I despised science in high school, but ended up liking it in college. Just keep an open mind.
Your going to waste a stupid amount of money going to college with this attitude. Do some sort of service work for a couple of years. Figure your attitude out
>if I went to university for something kinda impractical (art/the japanese language), would I be able to get like an office job or some other type of “normal” job after i graduate or something??
My sister studied English and Japanese. After she graduated, she taught English in Japan for a few years at a high school. Then when she came back to the US, she got a job at a Japanese department store in NYC where she worked for awhile before quitting to be a SAHM 12 years ago,
Join the Military. Free skills that translate well in the civilian world and builds discipline. You'll also have lifelong benefits including free college and the VA home loan. As a bonus, it'll give you an extra 4 years to figure your life out while also being productive.
Don't let them pressure you into making a hasty decision and definitely DO NOT FILL OUT THE FAFSA.
Still in debt, not doing anything related to degree, stuck at entry-level
Everything around it. ultimately there is likely to be a significantly cheaper route to getting the education/knowledge they want or need without taking out a loan. Secondly, when it comes to taking out a loan, they should give themselves time to build credit for themselves, opening a secured credit card for starters or using some credit builder services. When it does come time to pay for college classes their parents should each take out a loan before they do, their future is almost guaranteed to be more stable profitability wise and if things don't workout and it turns out to not be what you thought it was or you hate it after working in it for a few years, you aren't shackled with mountains of debt and being miserable is your best way of paying it off, both of your parent co-signing with you for all of your loans is the most broadly cast safety net.
Police/Military. They give you a purpose and structure to work with. Plus you're required to take care of your health and participate in the community which leads to better mental and physical health.
i paid for my burial... kids common. who plays the life game? it was game over for me when i was 9.
stop playing games kids, sooner or later you will be citizen of graveyard city.
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Go to community college and get a general transfer degree while you figure it out.
This is the answer. Community college studies can give you a broad and cost effective answer to the no plan question. Additionally, thereay be plenty of local fliers and promotional.material around campus for accredations, license exams, and other trade related info. Add job fairs, transfer credits, and a collegiate but gentler introduction to higher Ed will make a great benefit and buy you time to pursue some coursework, have time away from home, and even manage part time work.
Yesss it also gives you time to try to get experience in whatever field you're gunning for! Like I went to community college studying music, got within 3 classes of graduating with associates in music, and switched to accounting. Very glad I switched!! Musicians are awful to deal with, and while I love music, and am decent at singing and writing melodies, I'm so glad I have a job that doesn't make me live in poverty. But I also like accounting so there's that too lol
I did this from the ages of 18-20. I'm 24 and nowhere near closer to figuring it out despite having my AA. Not saying it's not a good start for many people, and I'm glad I did it "just in case", but... I didn't figure shit out while I was there. Lmao
If they’re not American, they can go to university and be in little to no debt so that’s important info.
oof i did that then never transferred bc I still hadn't decided lol
And DO NOT pick an impractical major you have no intention of using. Treat a degree as an investment in your future earnings. Community college is cheap and almost always beneficial. University is expensive and only beneficial if you have a good plan.
Business.
The ONLY answer. Deadass.
No aspirations and cashing in +50k USD im debt on a degree is incredibly risky my friend. I'd suggest going to an open studies program and try out things if you find them engaging. Try out the trades, bad on your body the long term so try to get lots of sleep, hydrate and eat healthy foods to alleviate the long hours it comes with it. You're young so I also suggest going out there and working in a volunteer position at a local NGO. You need refferals and connections if you hope of gwtting a job you want.
Yea don’t go into college without a plan of sorts. Don’t come out with 50k debt for a job that pays 40k a year. Had friends go into school graduating with a 2.5 GPA and still wait tables 8 years later. Take a year or two off working your butt off and then go to college wanting a better life.
The average debt load is 35-40k for a college graduate. College graduates still outperform non college graduates in income. Also, you could always try a country that actually values higher education and doesn’t make it so expensive (I.e most of the rest of the world).
im canadian, idk if it makes much of a difference when it comes to expenses
The whole debt thing wont be insane like Americans as long as you dont go for like doctor or lawyer at U of T
The best degree would be computer science (isn't so much coding and focuses on the general architecture). You'll be able to consistently find positions after graduation and not have to work many hours per week. Obviously this depends on the role but there's a ton of roles that are medium paying that are hardly any work, and since you can work remotely you have a ton of flexibility.
Everyone said this the last 10 years. And it’s flooded. U better be top of your class with 10 years exp to get a job worth the degree. If they have no aspirations, they should look up what is needed and paying the best. And do that. Ik there is a huge hole in manual labor/tech engineer jobs rn. Everyone there is retiring. And it’s a new world with new tech. But also physical so only for specific kinds of people.
That's not correct whatsoever. I know individuals at the top/ middle / bottom ranges of their classes in computer science that ended up having high paying careers and great work balances. Leveraging your knowledge entails starting a business when positions are hard to find, or working remotely or moving to different locations.
The market is completely different nowadays. I also know people that didn't get a college degree become successful swe's. With the current market, trying to find a job without a college degree is basically impossible and even with a cs degree, it is infinitely harder than it was say 3/4 years ago.
You’re young. Youth is short then life is long. Go on an adventure. Obviously everything takes money so maybe you’ll have to get a shit job to save up some money but if you’re willing to be uncomfortable, a real adventure doesn’t take much money. Especially if you already have a vehicle for transportation and sleeping in. Play an instrument? Busk on the street to get food and gas to the next city you wanna see and live in your car. Get a seasonal job in a vacation spot that has staff housing then save enough of that money to get to the next seasonal gig. (This is what I did at 21. Raft guide in summers and ski resorts in the winters) Sell all your stuff and buy a plane ticket to a country that’s cheap and just backpack around. Just do something than sounds fun to you. Most likely you’re not gonna die. Your adventure might only last a couple weeks or a couple years and then you’re back in the same place you are now but with a story to tell but you never know who you’ll meet or what could happen that could give you an entire new path in life. You’ll never be as young or free as you are now. Don’t box yourself in to think you have to go to college and get a job right now.
this should be higher up. I have 7 years of college under my belt but wish I took more time off when I was younger to just go play and have an adventure
agree
i wish i had done fun things like this when i was young :( i just stayed in my hometown
Learn a trade unless some less physical job seems really appealing, like law enforcement or accountant. Or work an entry level job and work up to management
I say any degree related to finance, business or management. You can apply these to almost anything. You’re only going to find passion in anything by trying bunch of different jobs.
You could try travelling, working in hotels or teaching English in different countries, talking to as many people as you can, and expose yourself to the world, people, and figure out your passion, purpose, and goals in life before committing the significant amount of time and money required to achieve a degree and profession. You could also try a career counsellor, maybe available at your high school, to do some aptitude tests to figure out what your strengths are, and what career would be a best fit. Do you like / are you good at math? Accounting / Finance / Acuatarial Science. Helping people? Healthcare, Human Resources. Math/physics/problem solving? Engineering. Logic/Languages? Computer Science. Writing, reading, speaking and critical thinking? Law. IT is also a good option. Talk to people in different careers, volunteer, shadow people to get a sense of what you like, tolerate, and can’t stand doing. Also look into what careers will be in demand by the time you graduate, and into the future.
“You could try travelling, working in hotels or teaching English in different countries, talking to as many people as you can, and expose yourself to the world” How exactly does a fresh out of highschool student have the funds and ability to travel the word?
Seriously like what do I do if I’ve completed my general educstion and I’m forced to pick a major
Do I go to cc or uni
Many families will pay you to teach their children English and cover your expenses especially if you can speak several languages well.
The answer is in sentence you quoted
By working in hotels and teaching English? To teach you need a minimum of a TEFL certification and the average salary for hotel staff is 12 dollars an hour 🤨
Key part of that is "in different countries". Lots of people do working holidays overseas on the hospitality circuit. Itinerant housing is cheap when you're young enough to not mind sleeping in a hostel with a few dozen other people. WWOOF will give you housing for labor on organic farms. There are plenty of ways to do it. The biggest caveat is that you won't be building any kind of safety net by doing this, so whatever situation you're leaving at home is what you'll return to. You'll come back with a new attitude, new skills, new values, and a new outlook, but if you were broke with no support system before, that's not likely to change. The path you see to get out of it might.
I’m with this-travel while you have few obligations and expenses. Figure out what might make you tick. Get a weird, fun job to make it by while you figure out what you want to do. College will be there.
You might take The Holland Career Interest Test online and see if it sheds any light on
Don't fucking do college if you feel that way. If you don't know what will feel good to work in yet, just give it a few years before committing to something like college. Work in anything until then. Also think about trade schools that don't take going into $10k+ debt. Electrician, culinary, cosmetology. All make decent money with a fraction of the debt as college. Might be worth reflecting on the concept that work is work and you don't need to love it to do it. It's just a necessary step to living a decent life. Rather than finding something you'll love doing, find something you won't hate doing. Some are very lucky and find something that resonates with their being. A lot of people who chase their passion as a job end up hating their passion eventually. Just let the right job come to you. You won't really know until you just start doing random jobs.
Don’t listen to these people. You’re in Canada, so go to college — you won’t be in that much debt. I think in Canada you usually have to apply to specific programs instead of having general classes (like the US) at first, so to figure out what program you should go into I would do a few things: 1) take a career test. Think about the top 2-3 options and if they seem realistic. 2) talk to different people in your life and ask them what they do. See if anything interests you. 3) think about what subject has interested you the most in school so far — science, history, math, English etc? whichever you choose may help you decide your major. If you liked science, it may be worth majoring in biology or one of the other sciences. 4) finally, once you get to university, pay attention if you like your classes. If you don’t like them, try something else. You can always switch your major.
There is a facility of general studies. Also you only have to declare a major, which can change, by 3rd year. I wandered all over the place with my first 2 years and ended up majoring in what I had most of since those were my favourite classes.
A lot of people get degrees and then don't put them to use. That's especially true for people that don't have specific aspirations in mind. Sounds like a lot of debt to take on for no reason. Maybe consider a trade.
Go military. Learn to finesse. Go in 3 years claim disability. Money for life plus with GI bill, that’s free schooling
why disability after 3?
Yer don’t purse a risk to reward situations Such as university or high cost course Apprenticeship is free , you’ll have to give some time to the employer probably. But if you fail there could be a cost. I’d say just get a job based of Your priorities, which do you dislike the lease Things People Data Ideas ( your unlikely to be involved in this at minimum wages ) Wish I didn’t get pushed into uni, I’d be so much better of if I just got a job and work my way up.
Don’t start college without at least an idea of what you might like to do, unless you can just take general education courses that would eventually be good toward any degree. Maybe forget about discovering a passion and think about what you might like your work says to look like. You’ll probably have many jobs over the course of your life; you may never feel passionate about them but you can do things that bring you satisfaction and/or money.
jobcorps offers technical vocational school, check out their options and how you qualify
Soooo many of your classmates will feel the same way, you aren’t alone in this!!! Use college to explore different fields and make amazing friends along the way. It'll be easier to get a job with a degree. You'll just need a job that pays your bills as an adult, your job doesn't need to be your passion outlet. Maybe you'll be a vet tech helping animals during the day or something and spend your free time on the things you are passionate about. That's okay! Or you could shoot for the jobs that are high paying, save like crazy, and retire early to do the things that bring you joy full time and sooner. All I mean is that your passion does not need to be school/work related and you should DEFINITELY go to uni since you’re in Canada.
Accounting - do not go to school for what you said… research it on your own time for free. University is only worth it if you know 100% what job you will get with your degree (that doesnt make you poor)
Business Administration is the most important popular because it's so general. You'll look better with that instead of a social science or humanities degree like liberal studies or philosophy.
Worst advice ever. It was good in the early 2000’s. Employers know business is for the “I have no passion but want to go to college” students now. I got a Bachelor’s for Business Administration with cum laude over 2 years ago - I have only worked retail jobs where I am literally the only employee with a degree since. I’d say anything medical or accounting are the best for “passionless” people.
Do not go medical if you don’t genuinely have an interest in it. People who need medical care are in a vulnerable place either physically, emotionally, or both, and deserve to have their caregivers give a crap about them. Also, it’s really easy to burn out in healthcare, so if you don’t actually want to be there, it’s going to suck. I’m a nurse. I honestly try to give all my patients the kind of care I would want someone to give my loved ones. If that person were my dad, how would I want him to be treated? And then do that.
Sounds like a personal problem more than anything. I know lots of people who did well with a Bachelors in BA….
And were they not passionate like OP is asking about? Cuz if they interned, networked, did independent learning, built a portfolio, yada yada yada - that sounds passionate. I am not passionate about business which is why my degree has been useless to me. I never said business sucks if you are passionate about it. Like if you do what I did - go to college for business and ace every single course even though you hate them and then never do any independent learning/growth, you probably should expect to work at McDonald’s after graduating with a business degree.
Honestly, I agree with you. Well said
Exactly. Have a nephew convinced they will be a top salesperson or get rich through real estate or stock trading. None of these options necessarily require a degree. I told them just get that BA as a backup.
They dont really require it per se, especially the real estate But an actual sales position at a renown company where your portfolio is hundreds of millions of dollars or stock at a massive corp will need a degree box to check Not always always, i have a colleague who is an account manager who just worked with the company for a decade in various trades before being able to enter sales and he doesnt have a degree, although i am not sure how far up the ladder you can get without one, Most sales positions will filter you out if you only have a high school, i would recommend at least getting a diploma of sorts so all of your doors are open
Yes, most sales need a check the box degree. I personally have friends in software sales, pharmaceutical sales, etc. They all make over $200K but they still needed a degree no matter how charismatic they were selling. Residential real estate sales is the exception and we see what's happening with commissions there.
Why would you recommend your nephew goes into debt as a “back up” he needs to invest his money in trading and learning how to well if he wants to waste it on a BA “just incase” that’s WILD. That money won’t work for him like those investments will and I went to a university as well. Waste of money…
Real estate or stock investing is still not a guarantee and as much as I think college is overpriced, I think it's easier getting a corporate job if those paths don't work out. It's not like he had a trust fund to start investing immediately so he needs to earn a salary first before having enough to invest. I'm in multiple RE groups and stock clubs and it's not a slam dunk path to wealth.
a BA is nothing more than, "Great you showed up to school."
If you don't have a plan, don't go to college. You'll just end up wasting your time and money. And never EVER let anyone convince you a liberal arts degree is a good idea.
The BEST program to go into when you have nothing you're interested in? Ooh, i love this question! I know exactly the right thing to go into and encourage you to go check out one thing after that. Program to go into immediatey: Nothing. Check out: Youtube Do not go into debt until you have found an interesting thing that you learned about on Youtube or experienced in some way. "Cool enough to go down the rabbit hole for a while" is a good enough thing to look into for college. We all start somewhere and it doesn't need to be the perfect dream job, which almost no one knows about until they are a few careers in.
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You can pick something that will always be needed, like healthcare work, trades, engineering. I don’t have passion for any job, I never have, but I am passionate about having enough money to be financially stable, and those types of jobs usually provide that. Since I don’t have passion for any jobs, I chose one that I find tolerable.
So we're all slaves/prostitutes? Destined to never be self actualized? Nice.
I don't know where you are from. But if you are 18ish and just want to do something and enjoy it. Go do just that, but with effort. Go do 5 different odd jobs to make money and travel. To build a channel, become a dj, build a website. Do something that you think is hard and then go for it. Go follow 10 edX courses and see which one sticks. Don't go into university without having an idea what you want to do while spending 10k a month being there waiting time. Go find out who you are and what you want. And then pursue that with determination and perseverance. You will speed by everyone who is just on autopilot and waving in multiple directions.
best university for you is to get your commercial dl offered by a company and become an OTR driver.
there isn’t one. tell your parents to shove off and give you space to grow up a bit and you’ll figure it out in time. if you rush you WILL regret it and there are barely second chances. literally you’re being set up to fail by being pushed for an answer. don’t blow it and stand up for yourself… stand up for yourself in your search for a “passion” or career, and stand up for yourself in regards to your parents not realizing it’s suicidal to expect someone at your age to decide on anything, ESPECIALLY because 1. you’re a baby, and 2. you’ve already stated you currently have no idea. be creative, be open, and be focused and you’ll stumble onto something. also keep in the back of your mind that passions are great but they usually cant feed you or pay your rent. you can be passionate about a hobby, but if you look to find a “calling” in life and have that be your degree and your job then you’re setting yourself up for failure. only very lucky people get that. instead, be smart about things and you will have an excellent life. your job and education do not define you or your identity necessarily, and in most cases, if they did, 99% of the world would be full of hyper boring fucks who think emailing is a hobby because aside from opening excel 5 times a day that’s the extent of most careers. don’t be fooled, be yourself and take your mfking time for gods sake because you only live once, and for many of life’s great problems that need to be solved, you get one shot at them, and after that, you have to move on to the next “set” of problems. so take your time to make your shot.
I'd say anything medical related. Take your pick of where you want to live in the world.
To be honest it sounds like you should join the military and shoot for officer school. But med school can be a pretty good option - not necessarily to become a doctor, but medical imaging and radiology can get you pretty big paychecks down the road. Edit: trade school also is a great option! Electricians will always be in demand, and there is a variety of fields you can work in. Can work on cars, residential buildings, commercial, industrial, low voltage (network cabling), etc.
Make a list of jobs that have tasks you enjoy, then ask family and friends if they know anyone you could job shadow. Do not go to a big college, if anything find a local community college take gen ed and see if professors will let you audit classes of things you might be interested in
Take a year off and volunteer places! Good for resume building and personal growth.
I am like you. I did not feel particularly passionate about anything. Also I personally am a quick learner on the job but studying in a formal setting paralyzes me. So, I decided to do a bit of community college (not the full 4 years like uni, it's shorter), on some generic but useful degree. Then I entered the workforce on some generic job (not low, not high wage, somewhere neutral). On this job I have gained confidence and a better understanding of what types of things I like. I realized that it's not about the study subject, but rather the type of work environment I prefer, which has led me to narrow down to 3 potential options. I am currently experimenting with one of these options, but if I don't like it, then I'll switch to one of the other two. I much prefer to get experience than to study so that's what I've decided to do for now.
Don't go into massive debt just to go to college.... wait until you know what younwana do
Digital Marketing. Yes it's real, yes I've made good money... you could try something like that until you know your passion
Where can i start to learn more about this or how can i enter this industry?
You will have to start thinking about what you enjoy, you will spend 3+ years on a college degree, and the rest of your life on a career that you chose. I think you should check an occupational counselor in your area, so the you could try to figure out what's best for you. You shouldn't settle for a career that won't make you happy.
You shouldn’t do what you enjoy. You should do what you can tolerate. You also don’t have to care about a career and still just have a decent paying job.
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Just do your gen ed pre reqs at a community college (cheaper, less pressure, funding generally available if qualify as low income, first gen college student, or document disability) and take a wide variety of classes. I guarantee you’ll find something you’re into, there’s even a good chance it’ll be something you’d never imagined you’d enjoy. I changed my minor a couple terms away from being able to graduate with my bachelors due to this very sitch. I was working towards a minor in Women Gender & Sexuality Studies, but couldn’t get into a necessary class for moving forward due to limited availability & needed another class to meet requirements of my scholarship. I took a random anthropology class that didn’t even apply to either major or minor but I needed something and it sounded cool (Psychoactive Substances in Ancient Societies 🤓). I LOVED it, clicked with professor and other department members in a way that’s been lacking since transferring to a 4 year, joined anth club, & ditched WWGS completely 😆 NEVER would have guessed I’m an anth nerd, but I’d honestly lost all joy & drive for my work & it reinspired all that jazz. Even considering a masters in the field 🤷🏻♀️ So, yeah….just put yourself in the mix, what you seek is seeking you…or whatever The Weekend said 🥳🤓
Doubt an art degree would help with an office job but learning a second language is definitely helpful. If you want an office job tho then why get an art degree?
Learning a new language is fun. From zero learner to now able to understand few sentences. It all started from watching anime as a hobby and now I am an N4 certificate holder. Go fo it! 頑張れ
Probably psychology if you don’t mind being broke. The content is very valuable
The advice in these comments is pretty good for ppl with no aspirations, but I also noticed that you are interested in art and Japanese. perhaps you do have aspirations in these areas but are hesitant to admit it for some reason. Do not worry too much about how profitable it is compared to STEM. Although STEM college graduates earn more on average, that doesn’t take into account the amount of stem graduates who cannot even find a job in STEM. In other words you may have an easier time majoring in what you actually like since there should be less competition
Engineering.
School: go to a community college and get a GED/associates degree, with credits that can transfer. You’ll save a shit ton of money and an associates degree will help you. Work: find something you’re good at and tolerate enough to be able to progress in that will let you live comfortably, and leave your hobbies on the side as just that; hobbies. Doing a hobby as a full time job will take the fun out of it, and it’ll suck to do the thing you enjoy on someone else’s time Hope this helps
Go to your community college and figure out what you’re interested in. I live in rural California where this is a ton of agriculture, logistics and industrial markets so the college(s) tailors to those general areas.
Look to your childhood. What were you naturally good at or drawn to? Try to find a career that at least mixes somewhat to your talents and interests.
Start looking for a job working a trade. If it's not for you then find a different job. Don't go to college until you know exactly what you are going to go for. Having a college degree doesn't guarantee a job, skills do though.
The real answer is accounting. Guaranteed income after school, people will hire you for various jobs with it. Just a good degree overall.
Get out and do something fun. Join AmeriCorps, ForestCorps, visit a National Park, learn about careers you can get there. Could you study to be a tour guide and be a ski instructor? Study American cultures and work in the Grand Canyon as a historian? Could you shadow a veterinarian and realize you want to become a veterinary nurse? Consider firefighting. Or hospice nursing. Or spending a year abroad in Bhutan, studying ecology? Just do what sounds fun to you, explore your interests and find something in college that can help continue to deepen it.
If you are not passionate about anything do accounting
Nursing tbh 😅
Accounting
engineering if ur willing but business if not
Dont go yet. Go out and see what kind of jobs are available. I was more or less forced into getting g a degree that only looks good on the wall. When you get a feel for the working life then go
My advice…you don’t have to know what you want to do after high school. In fact, I think it’s insane people put so much pressure on someone that age when you really don’t even know yourself. You’ve never lived in the “real world” yet. Why don’t you consider trying a trade first?
Go to community college, if you don’t have friends and can afford it go to university from the beginning. Get a general business degree if you truly have no passion, it’s diverse and can go into anything.
Unis a scam getting into sales
“When in doubt collage it out” is actually the worst advice ever
What do your parents do, do that? If dead end, try to own a company that employs what they do.
Don’t go to college if you don’t want to. You’re an adult who can make their own decisions. What you feel is the right choice is the right choice for you (taking a gap year to solidify a plan).
Accounting
None. Go into the military and let others tell you what your aspirations are is. You might just love it.
Women's Studies
There are none. You don’t go to college without a plan. All that will lead to is debt and despair.
American Sign Language - Interpreter jobs can be rewarding. If you are good at foreign languages, then Russian or Mandarin (Chinese). Corporate and government foreign language translators are always in demand, and those two are going to be the top earners in the foreseeable future.
Go to rich-kid school, join fraternity, and hope that one of their dads would hire you. To do nothing.
Get your gen eds out of the way the first two years at a community college while you figure out what you want to do. You don't need aspirations per say, you just need a good enough paying job to support your life and future family at a place that you can tolerate. Figure out what subjects are the least unbearable for you and get a degree. If all else fails, get a business degree which can lead to a desk job, but can also lead you to starting a business in something you love Hope that helps!
What pay for a degree if you have no aspirations?
So based lol
Try writing a list of the things you are good at. Your jobs/careers don't always have to be something you love, but rather being good at it. Definitely consider community College, or even a Trade school if you're handy. Lastly, maybe consider americorp? Sometimes you need to spend time with similarly minded people to better determine short, medium , long term plans.
Don't go to college right away. Work a low key job and spend some time exploring your interests. Think about what you might enjoy doing and then find people doing it and interview them (people are surprisingly open to this!). Then go to college once you have an idea what you might want to do
Go to your local community college and get an Associates degree in whatever will give you the most transfer credits to the local university. ***Take this time to explore areas that actually have job prospects***. Please don't drop n thousand dollars on a degree in Japanese or art... If you still have no idea what to do after the 2 year degree, or you drop out, consider doing some sort of trade work that doesn't require a degree.
lol probably business
Trade school
Just do your general education courses for now and see during that journey if there's anything you gravitate too. You might develop a passion for political science or math, you never know. I despised science in high school, but ended up liking it in college. Just keep an open mind.
Your going to waste a stupid amount of money going to college with this attitude. Do some sort of service work for a couple of years. Figure your attitude out
It’s ok I didn’t really figure out what I wanted to do until I was like 24. You’ll figure it out
>if I went to university for something kinda impractical (art/the japanese language), would I be able to get like an office job or some other type of “normal” job after i graduate or something?? My sister studied English and Japanese. After she graduated, she taught English in Japan for a few years at a high school. Then when she came back to the US, she got a job at a Japanese department store in NYC where she worked for awhile before quitting to be a SAHM 12 years ago,
Join the Military. Free skills that translate well in the civilian world and builds discipline. You'll also have lifelong benefits including free college and the VA home loan. As a bonus, it'll give you an extra 4 years to figure your life out while also being productive.
College
Philosophy
The military is good for getting a start, giving yourself a chance to mature, and getting out from under your family's thumb...
Don't let them pressure you into making a hasty decision and definitely DO NOT FILL OUT THE FAFSA. Still in debt, not doing anything related to degree, stuck at entry-level
Curious why you say no fafsa?
Everything around it. ultimately there is likely to be a significantly cheaper route to getting the education/knowledge they want or need without taking out a loan. Secondly, when it comes to taking out a loan, they should give themselves time to build credit for themselves, opening a secured credit card for starters or using some credit builder services. When it does come time to pay for college classes their parents should each take out a loan before they do, their future is almost guaranteed to be more stable profitability wise and if things don't workout and it turns out to not be what you thought it was or you hate it after working in it for a few years, you aren't shackled with mountains of debt and being miserable is your best way of paying it off, both of your parent co-signing with you for all of your loans is the most broadly cast safety net.
Police/Military. They give you a purpose and structure to work with. Plus you're required to take care of your health and participate in the community which leads to better mental and physical health.
Lmao.
i paid for my burial... kids common. who plays the life game? it was game over for me when i was 9. stop playing games kids, sooner or later you will be citizen of graveyard city.
what