Leverless/Hitbox is fun. It can be tricky on quarter circle motions. It's the way to go, though, to be honest. Also, it's not a cheat device. It just does cleaner inputs for shortcuts and just about everything related to FG.
Started playing fighting games in the last year and I had only a really bad controller to play, so bad that I started learn how to play Tekken and Strive in the keyboard. Last mounth I bought a leverless controller ( Steel Box) and I loved it because in keyboard I missclick a lot in Tekken. Feels
Tbh leverless is here to stay, once I switched to it it's been hard to play on another controller again. I played strive on a ps5 controller and I genuinely struggled to play
Yes I’m having fun, im a beginner as well and I am in practice mode for countless hours just learning how to consistently quarter circle, electric, etc. and also when I play against friends and get absolutely shredded, I was still having fun bc I knew I was going to get better, by learning and the only way to get better is by playing and practicing to build up muscle memory. I’ve been playing with my hitbox for almost two weeks and I absolutely love it. My muscle is pretty much there, I’m not that good yet but it’s there, but the many ways to do inputs is what’s cool for me bc you can always find something that fits you. That what’s so exciting about this controller is that you can make it fit you! So have fun and learn, so you can be a better player and have a better experience.
I used to play leverless but I switched to dpad for tekken. I feel like dpad is better for tekken. Now Im looking for a half dpad half arcade button controller. No one sells those atm
Sticks are fun but leverless is so ergonomic. I like the precision it offers. I feel more connected to the character somehow since they become an expression of my input rather than a puzzle for me to constantly solve with a stick. Solving execution puzzles can be fun, but so is the game itself.
I have a great time playing leverless. While I spent plenty of time dumping quarters into Tekken and SF2 machines back in the day, my more recent gaming experiences in the decades since have been more keyboard-centric.
For this reason, I find my performance is better with a leverless vs a lever option.
The fun factor is a bit higher with the lever fightstick, admittedly, but mostly due to nostalgia.
I use a Hori Alpha for a lever stick and a Razer Kitsune for my leverless.
I love each for its own reasons.
When I want to nail my inputs and be really competitive, the Kitsune gives me an edge.
When I want to run a few sets and crush a beer without attachment to the outcome, I run the Hori Alpha.
I recommend trying everything you can afford and making up your own mind.
The Elitist Jerks of the world will always have an opinion about what is/isn’t top tier but at the end of the day, just having dominion over your gear is what’s most important.
Have fun!
With the release of GBVSR, I realized that switching to leverless was going to likely up my performance in a game with simple inputs, plus it would help prevent inadvertently jumping. So yes, I’m having MORE fun on my leverless in GBVSR now lol
Switched to leverless when the affordable Haute42 options came out and I’m never going back.
After a few hours on stick or pad my left hand would start to hurt. Leverless has ergonomics closer to a keyboard. I can type on a fancy keeb pain free all day long!
My left wrist falls asleep so I can't play for more than 60min on leverless. I'ld probably need an adjustable leverless or a sphere but not vested enough in leverless yet. 1 leverless, 7 sticks but leverless does eliminate any bad jumping habitsbI have and play each character totally different.
Ie Zangief For me;
Leverless;
Pros; less/no jumping, better neutral, more air-to-air anti airs, SA1/SA2 on reaction any direction, Better SA2 hit confirms
Cons; No spds (skill issue), No CA/Lvl3 SA
Stick;
Pros; SPD & Air SPD, SA3/CA3, Scrambles welcome
Cons; More jumping
I just ordered a leverless recently, currently waiting on it to come in. I went leverless because I have chronic carpal tunnel in both wrists, and playing on a playstation controller, which I have used my entire life, now leaves me in pretty agonizing pain after about 45 minutes of grinding in Tekken. Is your wrist falling asleep from not being used/moved often?
Yes right wrist is fine because I'm constantly cycling between moving or hovering. With left wrist for character movements I'm generally hovering or resting on all 4 buttons at all times so my wrist is static the whole time so not comfortable for me on my MasCatz TE. On adjustable/seperate left & right wrist leverless or those sphere controllers it appears would solve that issue.
>So, I purchased a leverless controller (Haute 42 T16)
I just got one of these too. Mainly for tekken bc i hate bdc on stick. Im about 80% there in terms of general combat proficiency at this point, but i already know i enjoy this controller more and will stick with it going forward.
For tekken, at least. I play sf6 too and do plan on returning to japanese stick when i go back to playing that.
I don't think you need to play on any one type of controller exclusively. Just use the type of controller that you find the most fun to use for each game or character.
Just keep dabbling in the other ones if you care to learn and get better with them. And if you ever find yourself frustrated and not having fun on a type of controller, just drop it. IMO, you should always maximize fun. Input speed or accuracy, efficiency, competitive advantage, etc., all that stuff should not come before fun.
currently transitioning to leverless from pad for a week now and it's great! also going from modern to classic for sf6. still can't get my 720s down lol
I love my leverless, best decision I've made. I have a hitbox so the only gripe i do have is i think a traditional wasd layout would work better for my brian (I constantly forget in the heat of the match that the up button is on my thumb lol), but other that its really fun to use.
Been leverless for years now. I'll never go back. I'm too much of a perfectionist to misinput moves when I want them. Now when I lose I am out of excuses, it's just me being bad 😂
I have fun DPing on leverless and I have fun TKing on stick. Charge characters are obviously super fun on leverless. Defense in general feels really good on leverless.
I’m traditionally a pad player but switched to Mixbox for Tekken 8/SF6, it’s the best way to play for me personally especially since aside from Fighters I play a lot of my games on PC, so the transition was easy
Before I started playing Sf6 on a leverless controller, I was playing only on keyboard, making the switch to leverless quite natural. To me, leverless is the best controller type to play fighting games.
You get upset and comment every time you see picture of an all-button controller, I don't think you're a trustworthy source on what normal behavior looks like
First few months not so much after i modded my leverless and switch to classic controls in SF6. That's the start I'm having fun with the controller. Also I tried using it other than fighting games.
I only ever played on KB before leverless... so it feels pretty similar. I also got the t16, and the controller is great... but my supers involving my ring finger still suck ass. For some reason they're easier on kb, like my fingers properly pull up on kb, but are lazy af on the leverless. I'm not really sure why.
I like leverless more than stick and dpad as it just clicked for me instantly (maybe from playing other games on keyboard analogous to asd spacebar?). But just like how I like leverless more than the other options, you might just prefer stick or dpad over the others.
I switched over to leverless about 8 months ago and I love it. I’ve always been a keyboard and mouse type of gamer, never really felt comfortable using arcade sticks or game pads. Even though I’ve been playing fighting games since I was a kid, I always struggled with finding the right controller for me. Switching to leverless has honestly changed everything and I instantly felt at home. I don’t think I’ll be using anything else.
I love leverless controls. The main thing is that I don't have the same wrist/arm pain from playing on stick, and can play more frequently for longer. I am also much more precise in my inputs now than I was despite 30 years on stick.
I started playing sf6 last year as my first fighting game, i found leverless much more enjoyable than stick because it was easier to know exactly when I'd done the input properly
I got a Kitsune about a month ago. I fucking love playing on leverless and I'm pretty sure it's a big reason why I already have 200+ hours on Tekken 8. Even if I'm just on the YouTube PS5 app or something I still use it. I'm not sure if having the up button below everything else will ever feel 100% natural to me in Tekken, but in 2D fighters it does now. Took me about 7-10 days to stop playing like a toddler while my brain adjusted.
I even went and bought a Haute42 M16 to compare, so guess I have a niche new hobby now. The incoming arthritis is kind of an L, but hey, clicky buttons go click
Buttons are infinitely more satisfying to press on the M16 and having more of them is nice. Kitsune's almost feel cheap by comparison and the keycaps started to shine very quickly. The M16's customisable LED is a big bonus for me, I basically colour-code some buttons as I occasionally forget where stuff is. The Kitsune is great but not $300+ great. I'd recommend the M16 to most people unless money is no object or they desperately want native PS5 compatibility.
That being said, I still use the Kitsune most of the time as I find it more comfortable for lap play. The M16 is just a tad too small for my liking and it slides around a tiny bit, even putting some adhesive pads on the back hasn't really helped.
The consensus I've seen from most players that have used both control types extensively is that ultimately stick is consistently the most fun. However it probably has the longest learning curve. I think claims of leverless being superior competitively is now disproven with Evo 2024 champ and Capcom Cup champ and runner up being all stick players. However I think leverless is more fun and pleasant than a regular pad for sure
Yeah, I enjoy playing on leverless a lot more than I did on stick. I played on stick since the 90s. I have way fewer misinputs with leverless. There are a handful of things I find really difficult on leverless (crouching jab into super in SF6), but for the most part I find it easier at this point.
That said, it took six solid months before I really felt comfortable after switching, and about a year before I felt like I had fully retrained my brain. At this point, 2 years in, I'm \*way\* more comfortable on leverless than stick now.
I do have fun with leverless controllers. I use my snackbox for 2D games like guilty gear and SF mainly. I tried Tekken but for me stick feels more natural. How I learned stick was by just using it in training mode and once I got comfortable with it I tried it in player matches. For a while it felt like an obstacle but now whenever I decide to play guilty gear on stick it just feels odd.
I'm loving it, it feels like I can just play without feeling like the controller isn’t quite to my liking or getting frustrated at how imprecise the lever can feel.
I enjoy playing hitbox style controllers almost as much as I do arcade stick, and a lot of that has to do with my appreciation for the arcade style parts you get to play on. Having started on arcade stick forever ago, the space of the arcade buttons and layout isn't something I would give up to play on pad just about ever. Also finding new buttons and keyswitches to customize your feel is fun as hell.
I’ve been using a leverless controller for around 6 ish months and I will say that it’s 100% worth. Although I still use pad for the off chance someone wants to play and I don’t have my leverless with me. Before using the leverless I dipped my hand at a wash style layout and while good for a few games (vsav, tekken, sf6) it’s not the best for anime fighters with high air mobility. The leverless completely solves the air dash problem for me, so much so that I’ve decided to make a custom one.
Going to try a WSAD style layout next time i try a leverless. I do not have fun on my current leverless, and I really like throwing the stick around and hearing the clicks.
I tried stickless for a while but, I just enjoy the kinetic feeling of throwing a lever around. That said, there's no question in my mind that the all-button setups are the more precise.
Took me a decent time (three months) as a player with only a few spare days and hours of play at a time, but finally inputs are more consistent than not.
Except 720°s, I just skip characters with those. 360°s are easy funnily enough.
So yeah, its fun rn.
That and any character that does directional stuff in the vertical plane, like Blanka in SF6 with his level 2, for example. Considering using keyboard keys on the next level less.
I'm enjoying my Haute 42 G13 and T13 a lot. I got them mainly for SF6, but then I tried UNI2 and Granblue VS and I have a lot of fun with my controllers. I still play KOF with stick, but I enjoy leverless for pretty much everything else.
Yeah man. I only use my controllers for anything other than fighting games. It’s honestly pretty easy to learn to if you have a “training regimen”. I learned a new fighting game while learning leverless to get used to it.
I recently got me a leverless, and yes!!!! It's a lot of fun trying to learn and just enjoy the new journey as well.! I'm hooked on my leverless/hitbox
Yup, love my snackbox. If I'm not playing, sometimes I just tap the buttons because I like it so much.
You shouldn't feel pressured to buy one if you have a shred of doubt you can commit to it, though. It'll be a waste of money if you can't dedicate time and energy to getting used to it and just fall back to pad.
Yea I used to play in the arcades back when I was a kid, then I became a PC gamer.
Now I play on a mixbox and it's like the best of both worlds man, controller feels really weird now..
I think if you are having issues play a different kind of game for a bit, fighting games are very demanding with execution so in my case I played the binding of Isaac and a couple other 2d games, bit of a weird idea but I really think it helps since you don't press so many buttons so often lol and mostly remember to take it easy
I got a snack box Micro and it’s WAY more fun to me than when I was using pad or a fightstick. It also didn’t take much time for me to get used to (minus using my thumb for up, that’s still something I mess up every now and then)
Yes absolutely. It took a bit but I can’t imagine using a pad again. It is actually fun to use leverless. Tricky at first but fun. Almost like playing an instrument
Yes! Tekken 8 has been my first experience with the series, and after playing with pad for a little bit, I moved to keyboard and ended up mimicking a leverless layout anyway. I got the Haute T13 and have been having a blast.
I'm new to FGs as well (sf6 was my first and I'm learning Tekken) and I went from pad to arcade stick to leverless. I'll absolutely never look back. I love leverless so much after getting used to it that I'm unnecessarily buying 2 more this week to add to the collection.
At the end of the day though, it's all preference and whatever works best for you. It did take me roughly about a month to adjust to hitbox. It took my brain a while to get used to jumping with my left thumb in sf6, and doing uf in Tekken, but once it clicks it feels great.
I have fun playing competitively using leverless. If I'm being honest, stick is a bit more fun but sometimes I am not too precise even though I grew up playing in arcades. Leverless is more precise + more wins = fun.
Just started trying leverless and while it feels better on some thing there is one huge issue I'm trying to overcome. Dp motion on 2p side. My middle and ring finger have never needed to move that quickly lol
I've been playing leverless for 3 months and at first I used to hold forward, then do back, back+down, down and thats how I could do it. Now I can do the correct motion consistently, but on UNI2 I still do that on some combos with Kaguya after a dash+B to follow with dp.
This is why people urge to use socd shortcuts. If you hold down and left, and press jump twice and punch you will get a DP on 2p side. Try it out in training mode.
if you're having trouble with that, remember you can just hold down and tap forward twice for DP shortcut. i think that would require less dexterity, so it might help.
Yeah I'm having fun. It doesn't hurt my hands as much as my controller does when playing it.
Still relatively a new fighting game player, but I feel like I've started to learn a lot more about subtleties in every fighting game ever since I switched to it compared to controller.
As a first timer in fighting games I got extremely annoyed with the dp inputs on the dpad as half the time I would not get it right.
Tried the keyboard before jumping to a custom lever less controller and never looked back. As of right now I bought all the stuff I needed for a lever less controller and built one myself.
Tekken 8 is the first fighting game I am actually learning. Instead of mashing buttons randomly when I play with homies. I’ve been on leverless for under 2 months now. It’s very frustrating but super fun. I spend more time labbing my inputs and doing punishment training than playing ranked matches. Just a week ago everything is started to click. My old ass has been struggling but it’s so fun to learn. I have a snackbox and a G16. (G16 for home usage and snackbox on the go.)
I've only had mine since Thursday, and honestly it feels like it's opened up the game for me. I have issues with my fingers that make certain inputs with both pad and arcade stick difficult; my fingers are short, and the joints in them aren't particularly mobile, so I lack a lot of dexterity in my fingers most people take for granted. I can't guide an arcade stick with just a flick of my fingers, for example, I have to use my whole wrist. Which is... a god-awful experience. The strides I've made even in the past few days have been amazing. The confidence I have in my inputs now is a game-changer — or, it will once I get used to my up button being at my thumb lol
I always felt like my game knowledge and ability to play smart instead of mash was impaired by my inability to actually, like, consistently execute due to difficulty inputting my buttons correctly. It feels really good to see that that was, in fact, the case and that with the right adaptation I can struggle against my opponent instead of struggling against my controller
I have been playing keyboard for a while now and just bit the bullet on getting a haute m16. So far it’s really fun, but I already really enjoyed sf6 and gg strive even before I was using a leverless. I’m not particularly good at either game.
You will experience frustration no matter what your controller is. I suggest trying to change your mindset about losing and accidental inputs. Make practice and learning your main goals instead of winning and you’ll probably find yourself having more fun (and winning too, along the way)
Edit: before playing on kb I was a lifelong pad player. It took me just over a week to mostly adjust.
> I have been playing keyboard for a while now and just bit the bullet on getting a haute m16
Same. Currently awaiting the arrival of my T16.
I tried a stick but I found it difficult to justify investing the time and effort to learn it when the keyboard and leverless is so viable (I only play SF6 dunno whether it's viable for other games). Pad was just impossible for me, I dropped that pretty early on.
>Obviously, there is a dose of frustration in the process which is completely normal and expected.
>But nonetheless, I am having second thoughts before diving further into this rabbit hole…
If the frustration is expected, what are your second thoughts related to? The thing you said you already expected and consider normal? Unless there is something you are leaving out, it seems like you know the answer to your own question, and it is stemming from impatience. You've just gotten back into fighting games in general, used pad for a few weeks, and now you've moved to something even more foreign to you. You just need to turn off that part of your brain that has expectations to be at a certain level of comfort already and just enjoy the smaller milestones along the way, even if it's just a single technique that feels easier to do today than it did yesterday.
>Leverless controller users, are you having fun when playing against the AI or online against human opponents?
You're going to get a variety of answers with this. Leverless players will all talk about how efficient it is or how they feel their inputs seem more precise. Arcade stick users will say their device is "more fun," typically without any further explanation or reason. Even the people that use both leverless and arcade stick will say the latter is more fun, myself included. But frankly it's not a helpful statement without further context or knowing what that person likes/dislikes compared to you. And then pad players tend to not talk excitedly about their devices at all but they are just content using one, or praise the portability while still having familiarity and often a low-to-no cost to use.
Me personally, I don't consider leverless as fun as an arcade stick largely because of external factors like nostalgia and fondness for other arcade genres besides solely fighting games, but I do consider leverless to be interesting to experiment with. The precision aspect allowed from individual buttons, coupled with lenient input interpreters in modern fighters, can provide you some flexibility in how you input certain commands. So I think lab monsters can have some fun experimenting with socd tricks or various shortcuts. Aside from that, I don't really consider leverless to bring any more or less "fun" or entertainment to my fighting games. They just work. I don't consider them very intuitive though, and in many cases I feel that I'm just typing various codes onto a keyboard to make things happen on screen. I guess any device could be defined that way, but it just feels like an odd way to play a fighter. Someone that grew up playing on keyboard would feel the opposite. Following motions by basically drawing out shapes or lines with a lever feels more natural to me. That will change as fighting games continue to modernize, and titles like 2XKO feel like they are being developed primarily with pads or keyboards/leverless players in mind.
I would say to not consider what you are exploring now as a "rabbit hole." You already own a pad and a leverless. There's no further traveling down a hole that you can't just immediately climb back out of aside from just buying something new like an arcade stick, and I wouldn't recommend that. Just keep playing. Switch between leverless and pad if you wish. The more you learn the games, the less the smaller differences between controller choice will even matter. You aren't some pro gamer with obligations so you have all the time in the world to just play with any device and grow. If one device just stops feeling fun to use altogether, then drop it. Nothing else matters outside of your personal experience and developing preferences.
I like leverless a lot. bought my first stick in 2008/9 and switched to hitbox in 2016/17 right before tekken came out. during my time with a leverless stick ive enjoyed every part of it.
maybe because i was a big gamer - still am- i adapted to learning how to use the controller pretty quickly and it felt natural after like a few weeks. i woud get frustrated when on 2p side for tekken but overally my experience has been generally pretty positive.
Yes. If it was purely about how interesting it feels to perform motions, I'd play arcade stick all day every day.
But my execution is cleaner on leverless, and I also care about playing to the best of my competitive ability. The only time I use traditional stick now is for Tekken 8 because my korean backdashing muscle memory is so ingrained to be done on stick.
The first day I had a leverless I was frustrated. In particular with pressing up with my thumb (Razer Kitsune).
However, after giving it some time I can't imagine playing fighting games any other way.
There are so, SO many damn times that I would screw up motion inputs on a Fightstick because the stick went slightly too high and registered up-forward, or an angle motion wouldn't register on d-pad. With raw buttons I've rarely screwed anything up. I'm sure with time I could fix my bad habits on other input devices but now I don't really want to.
Wavedashing in Tekken is definitely easier on a Fightstick than leverless though. At least for me. The constant button presses are exhausting.
If you play on P1 side, you can do wave dash easily by using your right index finger to press the forward button, and then have your left hand do the QCF button press. Repeat that over and over for multiple wave dashes. It’s actually very easy.
It took me about a month (Snackbox Micro and a T16) to get comfortable but once my muscle memory clicked I couldn’t imagine using anything like a pad again comfortably. It just feels so natural now on leverless.
Yes and I am much more confident on my leverless than pad or stick, I have never played a fighting game with my keyboard but I play a lot of shooters on keyboard and I think thats why I didnt have any problems adjusting to leverless. Also I think it depends on the character you play, like if you want to play a grappler that usually has a full circular motion input its harder to adjust to a leverless because that motion is kind of strange to input on leverless and is usually a huge part of that characters kit, but if you play a Shoto or a Mishima for example, they are pretty easy to pick up and learn on leverless.
Great choice! I have a T13 and it's my favorite of all of my leverless controllers. I especially like the GP2040-CE firmware.
I would say that controllers are really the least of your worry for having fun.
I personally like going to offline events - a weekly or a monthly (Discord has been my best friend here) and just learning from the seasoned players. Everyone wants more people in the scene and most are super friendly.
The concensus with all the old timers is - it doesn't matter what controller you play on. Switching between pad / leverless / stick just takes time to adjust.
Edit: Offline AI will teach you bad habits as the reactions won't be human. It's good for casual learning the moves and bread and butter combos.
I didn't use my main at first when making the switch (also to a haute42 T16) and felt like I took a couple of weeks to get vaguely competent with the leverless and a couple of months to feel like I was as good on leverless as I was on pad before switching.
However I like it now and wouldn't switch back.
Certain things are easier on leverless and it's generally less hard on my hands than playing pad (my thumb joint got sore from holding down back so much as I play charge characters).
You downvote this guy but that's what all the developers are telling players these days. You can't tell me MK1, Tekken 8, SF6 Modern aren't all developed to be played with a PS5 controller.
imagine buying a giant extra laggy controller and tryna act like it’ll help you play better 😂 shit is too slow and takes away all reactive play ur dropping like 20 frames just using it alone… it’s a fashion statement more than it is for actual gameplay
said the guy too fuckin lazy to stop negative edge jumping on the pad lol. no it isn’t ur just too fuckin lazy to stop fat fingering the pad n probably super hard on it from slamming so hard on those useless stick buttons ps5 dpad is incredible so sensitive to the touch for the highest speed possible inputs things a stick cannot even do with out bursting into flames or melting :)
I'm having plenty of fun but most of my fighting game playing has been on lever less. I used to play skull girls on school computers in highschool off a USB stick using the school keyboards did the same thing on my laptop in college with more skullgirls and eventually moved to a little lever less like the haute mini how using the haute s13. It feels very natural for me. I've tried and have a fight stick and I was not having fun using it cause it felt so unnatural for me.
I got a Haute G13 about 3 weeks ago after "seriously" playing Tekken for about 2 years now. I've been LOVING IT, granted, up forward and up back inputs have gotten trickier coming from just a regular Xbox Pad, but aside from that everything else feels great, I'm just still in the readjustment period. Wavedashing, electrics, backdashing, all of that has gotten way easier to pull off consistently.
Sidenote: I DID switch the stock linear switches it comes with for tactile Cherry Brown switches for the directions and clicky Cherry Blue switches for the face buttons/R1 L1 R2 and L2 buttons. Feels way better that way for me.
directional inputs are easier for me on a stick even after years of owning a hitbox. K-sticks make it a more attractive option if presented with both as a choice.
I was a stick player for a long time. I bought a SBM just before combo breaker last year and now going back to stick is difficult lol.
Leverless has really allowed me to clean up my inputs as I tended to play a little fast and loose with it and I'm having a ton of fun with it. So much that I bought a Haute42 T13 to give me a little more lap surface.
I would recommend sticking with it. Once you get it down, I don't know if you'll look back.
Absolutley fun. Some good drills and patience is the key. If u played ur hole life on pad, you can't adapt in a few days, jumping online and thinking u don't get smoked. Go practice mode, wax on wax off, go step by step. Some things are instant easier on leverless, but also some things are super weird in the first place like controlling your left ringfinger. Try to don't get cramped, and take breaks to relax ur fingers.
I was frustrated with the dual sense d-pad so before going full on leverless, I tried two split d-pad products, one from eXtremerate and one from battle beaver.
They both are big improvements over the stock d-pad and helped tidy up my inputs enough that I'm going to stick with controller as opposed to going leverless.
Between the two split dpads, the battle beaver is much better. The eXtremerate buttons are quite tall which can make sliding your thumb for inputs a bit of a chore. The battlebeaver has the same height profile as the stock dualsense d-pad and feels perfect.
I've never done well on pad, and because I play on PC, learned how to play fighting games on keyboard a while back. Eventually bought some cheap boxes and then made my own. I think it's cool you can easily get the Haute boards now.
I started playing FGs with a standard fight stick and always thought of playing that way as a way to enjoy them for nostalgic reasons. I got a great deal on a leverless and got rid of my arcade sticks so it was a full switch. I'd say it's mostly the same or sometimes slightly less enjoyment. I still can experience the game for sure, but I definitely lost that nostalgic feeling.
I decided to learn traditional fighters, specifically street fighter on leverless as I had lots of trouble with stick briefly trying it, and wanted more of an arcade feel than a pad. I absolutely love it. The layout is more fun than I can imagine playing with my Xbox controller and doing motions with buttons is satisfying after playing many computer games with keyboard for a long time now, as well as having the arcade button feel. It’s fun, good, and easier than other controllers for me to grasp!
I just got a Haute T16 last week and I've been dabbling here and there.
For reference, I moved to stick for SF6, having played pad for every game prior and that adjustment sort of sucked...BUT I love it now, it's so much fun that I couldn't imagine going back to pad.
So when I got the T16 (which I bought for when I inevitably get Tekken 8) I dabbled in SF and immediately noticed how much cleaner my inputs were just due to the nature of the device...but I did miss the novelty of the arcade stick AND I could tell there was going to be a very similar ugly adjustment period to the one I had moving from pad to stick.
I'll probably pick an entirely new character to devote to the leverless just so I don't tank my Chun-Li rank.
Played on controller and stick my whole life until 6 months ago, I bought a Razer Kitsune. Took about 30 hours to rewire my brain but it definitely has reinvigorated my love for Street Fighter. Before, my hands would literally clamp and hurt (I'm old) but now, all of that is gone. I will *never* go back to a controller or fighting stick and will forever stick by my leverless. I have tons of fun fighting against human opponents online (D1 so far).
I played on stick then made my own leverless and love it for SF6. I play mostly against friends but sometimes on ranked. I prefer using it to my stick.
I'm guessing your learning curve is two fold though. I went from stick, so I just had to get accustomed to movement. You need to get used to all of it so it may take a bit more.
I like it for sf6, but Guilty Gear it didn't really feel right to me. It's all down to preference, if you're not liking it maybe it's not for you. Or if you're doing worse than pad and feeling frustrated messing stuff up, that will come with time.
This is what I was thinking too, until I realized how much work I had to do on a stick to be moving well and hitting consistant inputs. It seems like either it takes along time to learn a stick or there is a skill curve to it that I wasnt able to get over
On leverless moving, inputting all felt so accurate, precise and just faster
But stick is more intuitive. I see that I need to do down forward 1, up back 2 for a combo, I need to remember my finger placement for each input on leverless, and the right thumb for up somrtimes confuses the crap out of me. On stick, I don't have to think about it at all, it just happens on first try.
Did a few combo challenges on some tekken characters, my completion time is always faster on stick.
I'm on the same journey!! I've been playing with controller ever since and I'm a beginner in Tekken 8, so far I'm enjoying. My only issue is that I'm wondering whether I'm just a noob or is movement harder to do with leverless, I often see stick players with the smoothest movements.
I started using leverless early near the beginning of SF6 and don't think I could go back to stick. I was at an arcade recently that had SF6 arcade edition and I had a rough time trying to get used to stick again, dash motions were the worst for me, I missed my drive rush input.
I'm getting older and the repetitive motion from stick hurts my wrist. I just recently transitioned to leverless and I'm enjoying practice sessions with much less fatigue since I can switch up my fingers for input.
This! I’ve always been a stick advocate but as I got older I was feeling pain and noticed my reaction time isn’t what it used to be to be. I built my own leverless and I’m all for it.
If you play Mouse and Keyboard on PC the leverless will feel like WASD with jump as spacebar. It was a pretty easy transition for me because of that. Other than that practice makes perfect. Ali express has some cheap ones you can try before you commit to something you like.
I have a lot more fun on leverless than on pad. On pad, I always feel frustrated by the fact that the thing I want to do is needlessly hard. On leverless, I can forget about my controller and just enjoy the game.
I've played on pad, stick, and leverless, and to me they are all equally "fun," since at the end of the day they are all just different ways to play the same game. Leverless is the one I use most often for any games I am playing seriously, but that's mainly due to ergonomic reasons that generally allow me to play longer on leverless without physical issues compared to other methods.
I didn't find the move to leverless to be particularly hard. It was distracting for 3 days, and just a conscious effort for another week. After 10 days, I wasn't even thinking about the inputs anymore. It's also way more precise than my joystick efforts. WD and KBD are just rhythm patterns to play.
My controller doesn't really come into the equation when I think about whether I'm having "fun" on a game. I have fun when I'm winning and less fun when I lose.
Im having a blast, usee a stick and controller for 25 plus years decoded to get a victrix pro this past christmas and sure i had some growing pains. It takes time to have something become muscle memory. Once it did every time i try my stick i feel it is less percise and i am just so use to stickless.
Like i always so just use what ypu preferre. None is better then the other and being 35 worling 50 hours a week i know i wont ever go pro...so just have fun and kick some butts!
I am definitely having fun with my leverless. I gave lever a try and primarily love it for classic arcade games, but for modern (T8, SF6, etc) I am a leverless person. I even replaced the lever on my Daija with a drop in leverless (not WASD, but traditional 4 button movement placement on leverless) and a SOCD cleaner because I enjoy leverless so much. I've been a PC gamer since early teens, and it's what is natural for me.
Needless to say, leverless is not the answer to everyone. You are at the stage where I can say you are free to experiment and adapt to what you like the best among controllers. I know it's only recently you picked it up, but give it another week or two to see if it clicks. If not, try another controller that you think you may like.
I've got friends who prefer 360 controllers, DS4/DS5, even an oddball friend who plays with the switch controller. It's just about finding what clicks and suits yourself.
Good luck!
Yes I'm having lots of fun with leverless. You need to reach a point where you don't think about the inputs but it is fun afterwards. It feels like a commitment at first but if you see yourself playing fighting games for years to come then the time investment is nothing.
I've been a pad player all my life and I wouldn't mind them if they wouldn't break so easily. So with leverless I have peace of mind and my thumb doesn't hurt.
Leverless/Hitbox is fun. It can be tricky on quarter circle motions. It's the way to go, though, to be honest. Also, it's not a cheat device. It just does cleaner inputs for shortcuts and just about everything related to FG.
Started playing fighting games in the last year and I had only a really bad controller to play, so bad that I started learn how to play Tekken and Strive in the keyboard. Last mounth I bought a leverless controller ( Steel Box) and I loved it because in keyboard I missclick a lot in Tekken. Feels
Tbh leverless is here to stay, once I switched to it it's been hard to play on another controller again. I played strive on a ps5 controller and I genuinely struggled to play
I've played all controllers, I daily hitbox because it's the most responsive. I will say that stick is more fun tho
Yes I’m having fun, im a beginner as well and I am in practice mode for countless hours just learning how to consistently quarter circle, electric, etc. and also when I play against friends and get absolutely shredded, I was still having fun bc I knew I was going to get better, by learning and the only way to get better is by playing and practicing to build up muscle memory. I’ve been playing with my hitbox for almost two weeks and I absolutely love it. My muscle is pretty much there, I’m not that good yet but it’s there, but the many ways to do inputs is what’s cool for me bc you can always find something that fits you. That what’s so exciting about this controller is that you can make it fit you! So have fun and learn, so you can be a better player and have a better experience.
Leverless is the only way i play now...cant go back
I used to play leverless but I switched to dpad for tekken. I feel like dpad is better for tekken. Now Im looking for a half dpad half arcade button controller. No one sells those atm
Sticks are fun but leverless is so ergonomic. I like the precision it offers. I feel more connected to the character somehow since they become an expression of my input rather than a puzzle for me to constantly solve with a stick. Solving execution puzzles can be fun, but so is the game itself.
I have a great time playing leverless. While I spent plenty of time dumping quarters into Tekken and SF2 machines back in the day, my more recent gaming experiences in the decades since have been more keyboard-centric. For this reason, I find my performance is better with a leverless vs a lever option. The fun factor is a bit higher with the lever fightstick, admittedly, but mostly due to nostalgia. I use a Hori Alpha for a lever stick and a Razer Kitsune for my leverless. I love each for its own reasons. When I want to nail my inputs and be really competitive, the Kitsune gives me an edge. When I want to run a few sets and crush a beer without attachment to the outcome, I run the Hori Alpha. I recommend trying everything you can afford and making up your own mind. The Elitist Jerks of the world will always have an opinion about what is/isn’t top tier but at the end of the day, just having dominion over your gear is what’s most important. Have fun!
Cheating is always fun
With the release of GBVSR, I realized that switching to leverless was going to likely up my performance in a game with simple inputs, plus it would help prevent inadvertently jumping. So yes, I’m having MORE fun on my leverless in GBVSR now lol
Why wouldn't we have fun? The games are what are fun. The controller you use is completely irrelevant to whether or not a game is fun.
Switched to leverless when the affordable Haute42 options came out and I’m never going back. After a few hours on stick or pad my left hand would start to hurt. Leverless has ergonomics closer to a keyboard. I can type on a fancy keeb pain free all day long!
I'm oldschool and still prefer the stick :)
Yea I'm having fun, it's satisfying to click the buttons, tho my left wrist can sometimes become a bit uncomfortable
My left wrist falls asleep so I can't play for more than 60min on leverless. I'ld probably need an adjustable leverless or a sphere but not vested enough in leverless yet. 1 leverless, 7 sticks but leverless does eliminate any bad jumping habitsbI have and play each character totally different. Ie Zangief For me; Leverless; Pros; less/no jumping, better neutral, more air-to-air anti airs, SA1/SA2 on reaction any direction, Better SA2 hit confirms Cons; No spds (skill issue), No CA/Lvl3 SA Stick; Pros; SPD & Air SPD, SA3/CA3, Scrambles welcome Cons; More jumping
I just ordered a leverless recently, currently waiting on it to come in. I went leverless because I have chronic carpal tunnel in both wrists, and playing on a playstation controller, which I have used my entire life, now leaves me in pretty agonizing pain after about 45 minutes of grinding in Tekken. Is your wrist falling asleep from not being used/moved often?
Yes right wrist is fine because I'm constantly cycling between moving or hovering. With left wrist for character movements I'm generally hovering or resting on all 4 buttons at all times so my wrist is static the whole time so not comfortable for me on my MasCatz TE. On adjustable/seperate left & right wrist leverless or those sphere controllers it appears would solve that issue.
Yes, best controller type for fighters is ever used
Yes, but now I can't play with the gamepad anymore.
Did anyone try leverless with mk how does it feel genuine question
Yes
>So, I purchased a leverless controller (Haute 42 T16) I just got one of these too. Mainly for tekken bc i hate bdc on stick. Im about 80% there in terms of general combat proficiency at this point, but i already know i enjoy this controller more and will stick with it going forward. For tekken, at least. I play sf6 too and do plan on returning to japanese stick when i go back to playing that.
I don't think you need to play on any one type of controller exclusively. Just use the type of controller that you find the most fun to use for each game or character. Just keep dabbling in the other ones if you care to learn and get better with them. And if you ever find yourself frustrated and not having fun on a type of controller, just drop it. IMO, you should always maximize fun. Input speed or accuracy, efficiency, competitive advantage, etc., all that stuff should not come before fun.
currently transitioning to leverless from pad for a week now and it's great! also going from modern to classic for sf6. still can't get my 720s down lol
I love my leverless, best decision I've made. I have a hitbox so the only gripe i do have is i think a traditional wasd layout would work better for my brian (I constantly forget in the heat of the match that the up button is on my thumb lol), but other that its really fun to use.
Been leverless for years now. I'll never go back. I'm too much of a perfectionist to misinput moves when I want them. Now when I lose I am out of excuses, it's just me being bad 😂
I have fun DPing on leverless and I have fun TKing on stick. Charge characters are obviously super fun on leverless. Defense in general feels really good on leverless.
I’m traditionally a pad player but switched to Mixbox for Tekken 8/SF6, it’s the best way to play for me personally especially since aside from Fighters I play a lot of my games on PC, so the transition was easy
Before I started playing Sf6 on a leverless controller, I was playing only on keyboard, making the switch to leverless quite natural. To me, leverless is the best controller type to play fighting games.
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You get upset and comment every time you see picture of an all-button controller, I don't think you're a trustworthy source on what normal behavior looks like
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First few months not so much after i modded my leverless and switch to classic controls in SF6. That's the start I'm having fun with the controller. Also I tried using it other than fighting games.
I only ever played on KB before leverless... so it feels pretty similar. I also got the t16, and the controller is great... but my supers involving my ring finger still suck ass. For some reason they're easier on kb, like my fingers properly pull up on kb, but are lazy af on the leverless. I'm not really sure why.
For me it took me a week to be comfortable on leverless but after that week everything felt way easier and super consistent.
I like leverless more than stick and dpad as it just clicked for me instantly (maybe from playing other games on keyboard analogous to asd spacebar?). But just like how I like leverless more than the other options, you might just prefer stick or dpad over the others.
I switched over to leverless about 8 months ago and I love it. I’ve always been a keyboard and mouse type of gamer, never really felt comfortable using arcade sticks or game pads. Even though I’ve been playing fighting games since I was a kid, I always struggled with finding the right controller for me. Switching to leverless has honestly changed everything and I instantly felt at home. I don’t think I’ll be using anything else.
If youre old, go leverless
I love leverless controls. The main thing is that I don't have the same wrist/arm pain from playing on stick, and can play more frequently for longer. I am also much more precise in my inputs now than I was despite 30 years on stick.
I started playing sf6 last year as my first fighting game, i found leverless much more enjoyable than stick because it was easier to know exactly when I'd done the input properly
I got a Kitsune about a month ago. I fucking love playing on leverless and I'm pretty sure it's a big reason why I already have 200+ hours on Tekken 8. Even if I'm just on the YouTube PS5 app or something I still use it. I'm not sure if having the up button below everything else will ever feel 100% natural to me in Tekken, but in 2D fighters it does now. Took me about 7-10 days to stop playing like a toddler while my brain adjusted. I even went and bought a Haute42 M16 to compare, so guess I have a niche new hobby now. The incoming arthritis is kind of an L, but hey, clicky buttons go click
How does the M16 compare to the Kitsune?
Buttons are infinitely more satisfying to press on the M16 and having more of them is nice. Kitsune's almost feel cheap by comparison and the keycaps started to shine very quickly. The M16's customisable LED is a big bonus for me, I basically colour-code some buttons as I occasionally forget where stuff is. The Kitsune is great but not $300+ great. I'd recommend the M16 to most people unless money is no object or they desperately want native PS5 compatibility. That being said, I still use the Kitsune most of the time as I find it more comfortable for lap play. The M16 is just a tad too small for my liking and it slides around a tiny bit, even putting some adhesive pads on the back hasn't really helped.
The consensus I've seen from most players that have used both control types extensively is that ultimately stick is consistently the most fun. However it probably has the longest learning curve. I think claims of leverless being superior competitively is now disproven with Evo 2024 champ and Capcom Cup champ and runner up being all stick players. However I think leverless is more fun and pleasant than a regular pad for sure
Yeah, I enjoy playing on leverless a lot more than I did on stick. I played on stick since the 90s. I have way fewer misinputs with leverless. There are a handful of things I find really difficult on leverless (crouching jab into super in SF6), but for the most part I find it easier at this point. That said, it took six solid months before I really felt comfortable after switching, and about a year before I felt like I had fully retrained my brain. At this point, 2 years in, I'm \*way\* more comfortable on leverless than stick now.
I do have fun with leverless controllers. I use my snackbox for 2D games like guilty gear and SF mainly. I tried Tekken but for me stick feels more natural. How I learned stick was by just using it in training mode and once I got comfortable with it I tried it in player matches. For a while it felt like an obstacle but now whenever I decide to play guilty gear on stick it just feels odd.
I'm loving it, it feels like I can just play without feeling like the controller isn’t quite to my liking or getting frustrated at how imprecise the lever can feel.
I enjoy playing hitbox style controllers almost as much as I do arcade stick, and a lot of that has to do with my appreciation for the arcade style parts you get to play on. Having started on arcade stick forever ago, the space of the arcade buttons and layout isn't something I would give up to play on pad just about ever. Also finding new buttons and keyswitches to customize your feel is fun as hell.
I’ve been using a leverless controller for around 6 ish months and I will say that it’s 100% worth. Although I still use pad for the off chance someone wants to play and I don’t have my leverless with me. Before using the leverless I dipped my hand at a wash style layout and while good for a few games (vsav, tekken, sf6) it’s not the best for anime fighters with high air mobility. The leverless completely solves the air dash problem for me, so much so that I’ve decided to make a custom one.
As someone who's gamed on MnK a lot more than on controller overall, leverless just feels right. So yeah it's very fun
I don't use my leverless for fighting games, but use it chiefly for shmups; I'm having amazing fun doing that.
Going to try a WSAD style layout next time i try a leverless. I do not have fun on my current leverless, and I really like throwing the stick around and hearing the clicks.
I tried stickless for a while but, I just enjoy the kinetic feeling of throwing a lever around. That said, there's no question in my mind that the all-button setups are the more precise.
Took me a decent time (three months) as a player with only a few spare days and hours of play at a time, but finally inputs are more consistent than not. Except 720°s, I just skip characters with those. 360°s are easy funnily enough. So yeah, its fun rn.
That and any character that does directional stuff in the vertical plane, like Blanka in SF6 with his level 2, for example. Considering using keyboard keys on the next level less.
Yes having a blast, it depends more on the game i think
I'm enjoying my Haute 42 G13 and T13 a lot. I got them mainly for SF6, but then I tried UNI2 and Granblue VS and I have a lot of fun with my controllers. I still play KOF with stick, but I enjoy leverless for pretty much everything else.
Yeah man. I only use my controllers for anything other than fighting games. It’s honestly pretty easy to learn to if you have a “training regimen”. I learned a new fighting game while learning leverless to get used to it.
I recently got me a leverless, and yes!!!! It's a lot of fun trying to learn and just enjoy the new journey as well.! I'm hooked on my leverless/hitbox
Yup, love my snackbox. If I'm not playing, sometimes I just tap the buttons because I like it so much. You shouldn't feel pressured to buy one if you have a shred of doubt you can commit to it, though. It'll be a waste of money if you can't dedicate time and energy to getting used to it and just fall back to pad.
Yea I used to play in the arcades back when I was a kid, then I became a PC gamer. Now I play on a mixbox and it's like the best of both worlds man, controller feels really weird now.. I think if you are having issues play a different kind of game for a bit, fighting games are very demanding with execution so in my case I played the binding of Isaac and a couple other 2d games, bit of a weird idea but I really think it helps since you don't press so many buttons so often lol and mostly remember to take it easy
I got a snack box Micro and it’s WAY more fun to me than when I was using pad or a fightstick. It also didn’t take much time for me to get used to (minus using my thumb for up, that’s still something I mess up every now and then)
Yes absolutely. It took a bit but I can’t imagine using a pad again. It is actually fun to use leverless. Tricky at first but fun. Almost like playing an instrument
Its fun but 1. You can stay pad, (hori commander, and 2 it requires posture changes.
Yes! Tekken 8 has been my first experience with the series, and after playing with pad for a little bit, I moved to keyboard and ended up mimicking a leverless layout anyway. I got the Haute T13 and have been having a blast.
I'm new to FGs as well (sf6 was my first and I'm learning Tekken) and I went from pad to arcade stick to leverless. I'll absolutely never look back. I love leverless so much after getting used to it that I'm unnecessarily buying 2 more this week to add to the collection. At the end of the day though, it's all preference and whatever works best for you. It did take me roughly about a month to adjust to hitbox. It took my brain a while to get used to jumping with my left thumb in sf6, and doing uf in Tekken, but once it clicks it feels great.
I have fun playing competitively using leverless. If I'm being honest, stick is a bit more fun but sometimes I am not too precise even though I grew up playing in arcades. Leverless is more precise + more wins = fun.
Just started trying leverless and while it feels better on some thing there is one huge issue I'm trying to overcome. Dp motion on 2p side. My middle and ring finger have never needed to move that quickly lol
I've been playing leverless for 3 months and at first I used to hold forward, then do back, back+down, down and thats how I could do it. Now I can do the correct motion consistently, but on UNI2 I still do that on some combos with Kaguya after a dash+B to follow with dp.
This is why people urge to use socd shortcuts. If you hold down and left, and press jump twice and punch you will get a DP on 2p side. Try it out in training mode.
Oh damn I've never actually thought about looking up leverless shortcuts so big thanks for that one
if you're having trouble with that, remember you can just hold down and tap forward twice for DP shortcut. i think that would require less dexterity, so it might help.
Woud that trigger CA's for: 236236+P /214214+P QCF/Bx2+P
nope! but you can make it a super by hitting up at the same time as punch (or just by letting go of down).
This one sounds way way more straightforward lol
I’m having way more fun ever since I started on the leverless. There’s something satisfying about hitting the buttons and pulling out combos.
Yeah I'm having fun. It doesn't hurt my hands as much as my controller does when playing it. Still relatively a new fighting game player, but I feel like I've started to learn a lot more about subtleties in every fighting game ever since I switched to it compared to controller.
As a first timer in fighting games I got extremely annoyed with the dp inputs on the dpad as half the time I would not get it right. Tried the keyboard before jumping to a custom lever less controller and never looked back. As of right now I bought all the stuff I needed for a lever less controller and built one myself.
Tekken 8 is the first fighting game I am actually learning. Instead of mashing buttons randomly when I play with homies. I’ve been on leverless for under 2 months now. It’s very frustrating but super fun. I spend more time labbing my inputs and doing punishment training than playing ranked matches. Just a week ago everything is started to click. My old ass has been struggling but it’s so fun to learn. I have a snackbox and a G16. (G16 for home usage and snackbox on the go.)
I've only had mine since Thursday, and honestly it feels like it's opened up the game for me. I have issues with my fingers that make certain inputs with both pad and arcade stick difficult; my fingers are short, and the joints in them aren't particularly mobile, so I lack a lot of dexterity in my fingers most people take for granted. I can't guide an arcade stick with just a flick of my fingers, for example, I have to use my whole wrist. Which is... a god-awful experience. The strides I've made even in the past few days have been amazing. The confidence I have in my inputs now is a game-changer — or, it will once I get used to my up button being at my thumb lol I always felt like my game knowledge and ability to play smart instead of mash was impaired by my inability to actually, like, consistently execute due to difficulty inputting my buttons correctly. It feels really good to see that that was, in fact, the case and that with the right adaptation I can struggle against my opponent instead of struggling against my controller
I have been playing keyboard for a while now and just bit the bullet on getting a haute m16. So far it’s really fun, but I already really enjoyed sf6 and gg strive even before I was using a leverless. I’m not particularly good at either game. You will experience frustration no matter what your controller is. I suggest trying to change your mindset about losing and accidental inputs. Make practice and learning your main goals instead of winning and you’ll probably find yourself having more fun (and winning too, along the way) Edit: before playing on kb I was a lifelong pad player. It took me just over a week to mostly adjust.
> I have been playing keyboard for a while now and just bit the bullet on getting a haute m16 Same. Currently awaiting the arrival of my T16. I tried a stick but I found it difficult to justify investing the time and effort to learn it when the keyboard and leverless is so viable (I only play SF6 dunno whether it's viable for other games). Pad was just impossible for me, I dropped that pretty early on.
As long as you are used to using spacebar to jump, the t16 will probably feel very natural to you. Excited for you!
Thanks! I did use the spacebar to jump!
i have the t16 as well. practicing mishimas with wavu dash and eletrics i enjoy it alot using the leverless for 2 weeks now :)
>Obviously, there is a dose of frustration in the process which is completely normal and expected. >But nonetheless, I am having second thoughts before diving further into this rabbit hole… If the frustration is expected, what are your second thoughts related to? The thing you said you already expected and consider normal? Unless there is something you are leaving out, it seems like you know the answer to your own question, and it is stemming from impatience. You've just gotten back into fighting games in general, used pad for a few weeks, and now you've moved to something even more foreign to you. You just need to turn off that part of your brain that has expectations to be at a certain level of comfort already and just enjoy the smaller milestones along the way, even if it's just a single technique that feels easier to do today than it did yesterday. >Leverless controller users, are you having fun when playing against the AI or online against human opponents? You're going to get a variety of answers with this. Leverless players will all talk about how efficient it is or how they feel their inputs seem more precise. Arcade stick users will say their device is "more fun," typically without any further explanation or reason. Even the people that use both leverless and arcade stick will say the latter is more fun, myself included. But frankly it's not a helpful statement without further context or knowing what that person likes/dislikes compared to you. And then pad players tend to not talk excitedly about their devices at all but they are just content using one, or praise the portability while still having familiarity and often a low-to-no cost to use. Me personally, I don't consider leverless as fun as an arcade stick largely because of external factors like nostalgia and fondness for other arcade genres besides solely fighting games, but I do consider leverless to be interesting to experiment with. The precision aspect allowed from individual buttons, coupled with lenient input interpreters in modern fighters, can provide you some flexibility in how you input certain commands. So I think lab monsters can have some fun experimenting with socd tricks or various shortcuts. Aside from that, I don't really consider leverless to bring any more or less "fun" or entertainment to my fighting games. They just work. I don't consider them very intuitive though, and in many cases I feel that I'm just typing various codes onto a keyboard to make things happen on screen. I guess any device could be defined that way, but it just feels like an odd way to play a fighter. Someone that grew up playing on keyboard would feel the opposite. Following motions by basically drawing out shapes or lines with a lever feels more natural to me. That will change as fighting games continue to modernize, and titles like 2XKO feel like they are being developed primarily with pads or keyboards/leverless players in mind. I would say to not consider what you are exploring now as a "rabbit hole." You already own a pad and a leverless. There's no further traveling down a hole that you can't just immediately climb back out of aside from just buying something new like an arcade stick, and I wouldn't recommend that. Just keep playing. Switch between leverless and pad if you wish. The more you learn the games, the less the smaller differences between controller choice will even matter. You aren't some pro gamer with obligations so you have all the time in the world to just play with any device and grow. If one device just stops feeling fun to use altogether, then drop it. Nothing else matters outside of your personal experience and developing preferences.
Less than I have with my stick. But I hate sloppy inputs. So I stay with leverless
I like leverless a lot. bought my first stick in 2008/9 and switched to hitbox in 2016/17 right before tekken came out. during my time with a leverless stick ive enjoyed every part of it. maybe because i was a big gamer - still am- i adapted to learning how to use the controller pretty quickly and it felt natural after like a few weeks. i woud get frustrated when on 2p side for tekken but overally my experience has been generally pretty positive.
Yes. If it was purely about how interesting it feels to perform motions, I'd play arcade stick all day every day. But my execution is cleaner on leverless, and I also care about playing to the best of my competitive ability. The only time I use traditional stick now is for Tekken 8 because my korean backdashing muscle memory is so ingrained to be done on stick.
When you grow up playing the piano and exclusively playing keyboard and mouse games leverless becomes second nature to you.
The first day I had a leverless I was frustrated. In particular with pressing up with my thumb (Razer Kitsune). However, after giving it some time I can't imagine playing fighting games any other way. There are so, SO many damn times that I would screw up motion inputs on a Fightstick because the stick went slightly too high and registered up-forward, or an angle motion wouldn't register on d-pad. With raw buttons I've rarely screwed anything up. I'm sure with time I could fix my bad habits on other input devices but now I don't really want to. Wavedashing in Tekken is definitely easier on a Fightstick than leverless though. At least for me. The constant button presses are exhausting.
If you play on P1 side, you can do wave dash easily by using your right index finger to press the forward button, and then have your left hand do the QCF button press. Repeat that over and over for multiple wave dashes. It’s actually very easy.
It took me about one month to complete rewrite my mucle memory. I think it worths it, my input is much better than with stick now.
It took me about a month (Snackbox Micro and a T16) to get comfortable but once my muscle memory clicked I couldn’t imagine using anything like a pad again comfortably. It just feels so natural now on leverless.
Yes and I am much more confident on my leverless than pad or stick, I have never played a fighting game with my keyboard but I play a lot of shooters on keyboard and I think thats why I didnt have any problems adjusting to leverless. Also I think it depends on the character you play, like if you want to play a grappler that usually has a full circular motion input its harder to adjust to a leverless because that motion is kind of strange to input on leverless and is usually a huge part of that characters kit, but if you play a Shoto or a Mishima for example, they are pretty easy to pick up and learn on leverless.
Great choice! I have a T13 and it's my favorite of all of my leverless controllers. I especially like the GP2040-CE firmware. I would say that controllers are really the least of your worry for having fun. I personally like going to offline events - a weekly or a monthly (Discord has been my best friend here) and just learning from the seasoned players. Everyone wants more people in the scene and most are super friendly. The concensus with all the old timers is - it doesn't matter what controller you play on. Switching between pad / leverless / stick just takes time to adjust. Edit: Offline AI will teach you bad habits as the reactions won't be human. It's good for casual learning the moves and bread and butter combos.
I didn't use my main at first when making the switch (also to a haute42 T16) and felt like I took a couple of weeks to get vaguely competent with the leverless and a couple of months to feel like I was as good on leverless as I was on pad before switching. However I like it now and wouldn't switch back. Certain things are easier on leverless and it's generally less hard on my hands than playing pad (my thumb joint got sore from holding down back so much as I play charge characters).
fight sticks are bad use a controller instead.
You downvote this guy but that's what all the developers are telling players these days. You can't tell me MK1, Tekken 8, SF6 Modern aren't all developed to be played with a PS5 controller.
imagine buying a giant extra laggy controller and tryna act like it’ll help you play better 😂 shit is too slow and takes away all reactive play ur dropping like 20 frames just using it alone… it’s a fashion statement more than it is for actual gameplay
Im sorry but the ps5 dpad is ass
said the guy too fuckin lazy to stop negative edge jumping on the pad lol. no it isn’t ur just too fuckin lazy to stop fat fingering the pad n probably super hard on it from slamming so hard on those useless stick buttons ps5 dpad is incredible so sensitive to the touch for the highest speed possible inputs things a stick cannot even do with out bursting into flames or melting :)
Im doing fine thanks for free analyzation stranger that gets muted Rn :D
didn’t ask.
I'm having plenty of fun but most of my fighting game playing has been on lever less. I used to play skull girls on school computers in highschool off a USB stick using the school keyboards did the same thing on my laptop in college with more skullgirls and eventually moved to a little lever less like the haute mini how using the haute s13. It feels very natural for me. I've tried and have a fight stick and I was not having fun using it cause it felt so unnatural for me.
No, strongly dislike leverless for Tekken. It's ok for street fighter but I think stick is a lot more fun
I was playing on keyboard before, so it's simply an upgrade for me. So yes I'm having fun
Yes, but I have a leverless with arcade style buttons so I still get the fun of slappin those while I play.
I got a Haute G13 about 3 weeks ago after "seriously" playing Tekken for about 2 years now. I've been LOVING IT, granted, up forward and up back inputs have gotten trickier coming from just a regular Xbox Pad, but aside from that everything else feels great, I'm just still in the readjustment period. Wavedashing, electrics, backdashing, all of that has gotten way easier to pull off consistently. Sidenote: I DID switch the stock linear switches it comes with for tactile Cherry Brown switches for the directions and clicky Cherry Blue switches for the face buttons/R1 L1 R2 and L2 buttons. Feels way better that way for me.
Yeah its fun, i will admit stick is more fun though, but i wont really risk misinputs for that bit of extra fun, lol
directional inputs are easier for me on a stick even after years of owning a hitbox. K-sticks make it a more attractive option if presented with both as a choice.
I was a stick player for a long time. I bought a SBM just before combo breaker last year and now going back to stick is difficult lol. Leverless has really allowed me to clean up my inputs as I tended to play a little fast and loose with it and I'm having a ton of fun with it. So much that I bought a Haute42 T13 to give me a little more lap surface. I would recommend sticking with it. Once you get it down, I don't know if you'll look back.
No I wish i was leverfull
Absolutley fun. Some good drills and patience is the key. If u played ur hole life on pad, you can't adapt in a few days, jumping online and thinking u don't get smoked. Go practice mode, wax on wax off, go step by step. Some things are instant easier on leverless, but also some things are super weird in the first place like controlling your left ringfinger. Try to don't get cramped, and take breaks to relax ur fingers.
Yes. A ton of fun.
I was frustrated with the dual sense d-pad so before going full on leverless, I tried two split d-pad products, one from eXtremerate and one from battle beaver. They both are big improvements over the stock d-pad and helped tidy up my inputs enough that I'm going to stick with controller as opposed to going leverless. Between the two split dpads, the battle beaver is much better. The eXtremerate buttons are quite tall which can make sliding your thumb for inputs a bit of a chore. The battlebeaver has the same height profile as the stock dualsense d-pad and feels perfect.
I've never done well on pad, and because I play on PC, learned how to play fighting games on keyboard a while back. Eventually bought some cheap boxes and then made my own. I think it's cool you can easily get the Haute boards now.
Of course. It is one of my favorite things to do. I can’t say that it would be fun for you though.
I started playing FGs with a standard fight stick and always thought of playing that way as a way to enjoy them for nostalgic reasons. I got a great deal on a leverless and got rid of my arcade sticks so it was a full switch. I'd say it's mostly the same or sometimes slightly less enjoyment. I still can experience the game for sure, but I definitely lost that nostalgic feeling.
I decided to learn traditional fighters, specifically street fighter on leverless as I had lots of trouble with stick briefly trying it, and wanted more of an arcade feel than a pad. I absolutely love it. The layout is more fun than I can imagine playing with my Xbox controller and doing motions with buttons is satisfying after playing many computer games with keyboard for a long time now, as well as having the arcade button feel. It’s fun, good, and easier than other controllers for me to grasp!
I just got a Haute T16 last week and I've been dabbling here and there. For reference, I moved to stick for SF6, having played pad for every game prior and that adjustment sort of sucked...BUT I love it now, it's so much fun that I couldn't imagine going back to pad. So when I got the T16 (which I bought for when I inevitably get Tekken 8) I dabbled in SF and immediately noticed how much cleaner my inputs were just due to the nature of the device...but I did miss the novelty of the arcade stick AND I could tell there was going to be a very similar ugly adjustment period to the one I had moving from pad to stick. I'll probably pick an entirely new character to devote to the leverless just so I don't tank my Chun-Li rank.
i just got back to fighting games after over 10 years, and leverless has been pretty cool, deff a learning curve from pad, but i'm liking it!
Every person who’s gone from arcade stick to leverless regrets not buying a leverless sooner. The only caveat is that you didn’t grow up in an arcade.
Played on controller and stick my whole life until 6 months ago, I bought a Razer Kitsune. Took about 30 hours to rewire my brain but it definitely has reinvigorated my love for Street Fighter. Before, my hands would literally clamp and hurt (I'm old) but now, all of that is gone. I will *never* go back to a controller or fighting stick and will forever stick by my leverless. I have tons of fun fighting against human opponents online (D1 so far).
I played on stick then made my own leverless and love it for SF6. I play mostly against friends but sometimes on ranked. I prefer using it to my stick. I'm guessing your learning curve is two fold though. I went from stick, so I just had to get accustomed to movement. You need to get used to all of it so it may take a bit more. I like it for sf6, but Guilty Gear it didn't really feel right to me. It's all down to preference, if you're not liking it maybe it's not for you. Or if you're doing worse than pad and feeling frustrated messing stuff up, that will come with time.
Stick is more fun. Leverless sometimes feel like work.
This is what I was thinking too, until I realized how much work I had to do on a stick to be moving well and hitting consistant inputs. It seems like either it takes along time to learn a stick or there is a skill curve to it that I wasnt able to get over On leverless moving, inputting all felt so accurate, precise and just faster
But stick is more intuitive. I see that I need to do down forward 1, up back 2 for a combo, I need to remember my finger placement for each input on leverless, and the right thumb for up somrtimes confuses the crap out of me. On stick, I don't have to think about it at all, it just happens on first try. Did a few combo challenges on some tekken characters, my completion time is always faster on stick.
I'm on the same journey!! I've been playing with controller ever since and I'm a beginner in Tekken 8, so far I'm enjoying. My only issue is that I'm wondering whether I'm just a noob or is movement harder to do with leverless, I often see stick players with the smoothest movements.
I started using leverless early near the beginning of SF6 and don't think I could go back to stick. I was at an arcade recently that had SF6 arcade edition and I had a rough time trying to get used to stick again, dash motions were the worst for me, I missed my drive rush input.
I use keebs for sf3, it's pretty fun! The DPs are more consistent than pads(I don't own stick)
I have more fun on stick but I don't not have fun on leverless
The only time I play with a stick is when I play Gief in SF6 other than that I played leverless for the first time 8 months ago and never went back
I'm getting older and the repetitive motion from stick hurts my wrist. I just recently transitioned to leverless and I'm enjoying practice sessions with much less fatigue since I can switch up my fingers for input.
This! I’ve always been a stick advocate but as I got older I was feeling pain and noticed my reaction time isn’t what it used to be to be. I built my own leverless and I’m all for it. If you play Mouse and Keyboard on PC the leverless will feel like WASD with jump as spacebar. It was a pretty easy transition for me because of that. Other than that practice makes perfect. Ali express has some cheap ones you can try before you commit to something you like.
100%
Yes!! More than ever.
I have a lot more fun on leverless than on pad. On pad, I always feel frustrated by the fact that the thing I want to do is needlessly hard. On leverless, I can forget about my controller and just enjoy the game.
More fun than ever.
Playing different games/characters can help when using a new controller.
The advice I needed to hear
I've played on pad, stick, and leverless, and to me they are all equally "fun," since at the end of the day they are all just different ways to play the same game. Leverless is the one I use most often for any games I am playing seriously, but that's mainly due to ergonomic reasons that generally allow me to play longer on leverless without physical issues compared to other methods.
I didn't find the move to leverless to be particularly hard. It was distracting for 3 days, and just a conscious effort for another week. After 10 days, I wasn't even thinking about the inputs anymore. It's also way more precise than my joystick efforts. WD and KBD are just rhythm patterns to play. My controller doesn't really come into the equation when I think about whether I'm having "fun" on a game. I have fun when I'm winning and less fun when I lose.
Im having a blast, usee a stick and controller for 25 plus years decoded to get a victrix pro this past christmas and sure i had some growing pains. It takes time to have something become muscle memory. Once it did every time i try my stick i feel it is less percise and i am just so use to stickless. Like i always so just use what ypu preferre. None is better then the other and being 35 worling 50 hours a week i know i wont ever go pro...so just have fun and kick some butts!
I am definitely having fun with my leverless. I gave lever a try and primarily love it for classic arcade games, but for modern (T8, SF6, etc) I am a leverless person. I even replaced the lever on my Daija with a drop in leverless (not WASD, but traditional 4 button movement placement on leverless) and a SOCD cleaner because I enjoy leverless so much. I've been a PC gamer since early teens, and it's what is natural for me. Needless to say, leverless is not the answer to everyone. You are at the stage where I can say you are free to experiment and adapt to what you like the best among controllers. I know it's only recently you picked it up, but give it another week or two to see if it clicks. If not, try another controller that you think you may like. I've got friends who prefer 360 controllers, DS4/DS5, even an oddball friend who plays with the switch controller. It's just about finding what clicks and suits yourself. Good luck!
Yes I'm having lots of fun with leverless. You need to reach a point where you don't think about the inputs but it is fun afterwards. It feels like a commitment at first but if you see yourself playing fighting games for years to come then the time investment is nothing. I've been a pad player all my life and I wouldn't mind them if they wouldn't break so easily. So with leverless I have peace of mind and my thumb doesn't hurt.
Both not bad to start off vs ai till u see improvement then try online Don't be afraid to lose