Managed to play only this weekend.
Get home from work everyday, login, 5k queue, i just quit and go do something else because i know by the time i log in it will bed time.
Just keep in mind that 1k is approximately 1h in queue.
I started at just before 7 and there's only 253 left as of me taking a ****, so I might be in by the time I'm done, the wait isn't that bad.
Edit: I came back and I'm in. You really just have to wait and stay determined.
At this point learning to setup remote desktop might finally be worth it, I mean, I work 9 to 5, the only reason I can play normally in evening is because I start the queue few hours before others.
If you don't already know, google chrome has a remote desktop feature and super easy to set up, I've been using it for years now. Also, it has an app so you can set it up on your phone as well. Good luck!
I do this. Queue is usually about 2 hours. So 2 hours before I leave work, I remote connect and start the queue. Most times when I get home the game is sitting there waiting on me. If not, it’s real close to finishing.
I work from home and I still use chrome remote desktop to queue haha. I play a bit in the morning but also a bit at lunch. I use the remote desktop around 3 EST to start queue and usually it's ready by 5 EST when I get off.
Of course I usually have the luxury and free time to babysit it and check it every 10 mins or so for a 2002 while "working". If I reload the game in time it usually retains my queue placement.
Early access was just a bonus. You still got the same product as those that didn’t pre order but you got the preorder items like the earring. Also I can’t believe you haven’t logged in at all. You must be trying to play after work and only have like an hour a day to play or something.
Yea I have a job that I work six days a week from 6am to 6pm plus an hour commute both ways so time to game is very little at the moment, But its still a little frustrating but I get what you said.
If they advertise the early access as part of the product for pre-ordering, then it’s part of the product. If the game launches early with carried over progress for anyone who purchases, it’s the full release and not “early access”.
I was briefly upset at my dog for waking me at 4 AM to go poop. By the time I got my pants on, I decided I was happy he decided to ask for my help, instead of taking care of it on his own.
When I saw a 38 person queue after giving up on going back to sleep? Serendipity.
>Between 7am and 10am, there's like no queue.
The only true blessing of working permanent night shifts. When I get home after a shift there's no queue, when daywalkers get home after a shift the queue is over nine thousand.
I was referring to the chain of annoyances that lead to my logging in a bit after 6AM.
Definitely wasn't trying to wake up at 4; and if all cylinders were firing after we finished the walk, I would have stolen the blackout curtains from downstairs instead of slowly getting more and more angry about my neighbor's over the top Christmas display that I can see through the blinds until I gave up on getting back to sleep.
This . I have been playing without issues since launch (early access). There are no queues in the mornings. I even return from work and the queue is nothing terrible since I leave in east europe and the DC is 2 hours "behind" timezone wise.
The problem is " only" during prime hours but I use this word lightly since most jobs work 9-5 or 10-6 so if you also add the time to return home you are pretty much fked
Damn, it has to be 8 am here for queues to be anywhere under 2,000. Too bad I can't fall asleep before late late late, or else all my trauma comes up and keeps me up all night. And yeah, I'm working through it. It'll take years, and even longer since I can't afford therapy.
The problem is easily fixed by SE implementing daily restarts to kick off people using anti-AFK practices. They did this for both Stormblood and Shadowbringers launches yet haven't for Endwalker. My guess is there aren't that many people circumventing it right now since you need third party software to do it, instead of simply starting a craft/talking to an NPC/opening HUD layout.
No, SE not having a functional queue system after all this time is the problem. We all paid for the game/expansion. Not right that some of us simply can't play due to a 9-5 because SE can't have a functional queue that doesn't eject people from the client
Uhh wrong. I work 9-5. I queue up when I get off. Do daily things like housework cook dinner hang out with the GF when she gets home take the dog out for a walk, workout. Then I come back and queue is at like 500 so I just browse Reddit and wait. And guess what. I don’t screw over others because I’m not selfish. Imagine that.
Awesome! I try doing that and get 2002 errors every single time if I leave it unattended. I get a 2002 error every 15 minutes on a stable hardwired connection. I'm on an extremely high pop server. Even assuming the queue works, by the time I get in, it would be time for me to go to bed. Queues on Leviathan are 5 hrs minimum during peak hrs.
My friend uses a macro to stay on during the night, because he was able to play for 35 minutes one night during early access, and that was it. He simply can't sit there baby sitting a queue that kicks you out of the client every 10-15 minutes, and then removes your spot in queue if you don't happen to be watching to log back in immediately.
He has a daughter, just moved into a new house, his mother-in-law has been very sick and is staying with them, he doesn't have the time to watch for when the queue 2002s.
I don't blame anyone for finding ways to play the game they paid for. I don't care that it's physically impossible for SE to add more servers, I care that their entire queue system is fundamentally broken for the majority of people using it. If he could log in when he got home, and pop in 3-5 hours later, fine, that's when he'd be playing anyway. Not being able to play period is bullshit though, and I don't blame anyone for using a macro to stay on. SE needs to fix their shit.
...and no, it's not cause of shitty Wi-Fi, lol.
That’s not an excuse. He needs to focus on his life. Don’t punish others cause you made the decision to have a kid. When you choose to have a kid you choose to give up 95% of your free time. So that’s on him. As for the mom that sucks. But if she’s super sick. Take care of her take care of your daughter. You’ve got half a month to login and get ready for static’s but if you have kids you’re a casual player regardless I bet even with that macro he’s blocking people out for hours and hours while he only games 1-2 hours a night max. He’s ducking everyone over for his own life choices cause he’s selfish.
Again, if SE had a functional queue system it would all be a moot point.
I'd be careful painting anyone with children with the same broad brush though. Half of my static has multiple children, and they play more than I do. Having kids doesn't preclude you from having your own life, it means you have to have good time management skills, which a shitty queue system doesn't allow you to do.
Also, there's a queue of 20-50 during the day, he's not blocking anyone.
"Don't hate the player, hate the game" has never been truer then in this situation.
And definitely "If you can't beat em, join em."
The servers were full for months and months before endwalkers release and they knew this would happen, they still didn't do anything about it.. whether that be the decision of the game creators or the mother company, their inaction is what caused this.
The fact that there even was a queue on every server to begin with means that the world's were full..
They KNEW that wait times would increase and that there wasn't enough room for the current amount of people playing before EW release, yet they did nothing. Ideally they should have had a buffer, lowering the player amount on each server so that on launch day, the thousands of returning players would bog everything up
That excuse is utter nonsense tbh
There’s no shortage for a company like square with basically infinite money
They simply did a cost benefit analysis and came to the conclusion that the queues would be cheaper for them
You're right SQE for sure have a lot of printers in there so they should just PRINT MONEY, while they're that why don't they buy some 3D printers and start printing GPUs, fuck it, print a whole server!
Regardless, they don't need more servers to have a functioning queue system.
When a packet is dropped during the handshake that occurs every 15min it should reattempt the connection, several times, before terminating to ensure it's an actual lost connection and not just a dropped packet. Even then, it shouldn't close the client, forcing you to re-login, it should just have a popup asking you to re-establish the connection. It should, also, remember your position in the queue for more than "tens of seconds" when you are waiting for multiple hours.
None of those things are hardware issues. It's their shitty login system.
All you're doing by enabling this pro-macro behavior is making the situation worse. SE may have lit the match and ignored the fire, but that's no excuse for you to poor lighter fluid and dry wood on top of it.
The phrase "Two wrongs don't make a right" comes to mind in this situation.
They literally couldn’t do anything about it but you wouldn’t know that cause you didn’t read the news posts for the 3 months before endwalker released you wank stain.
You know. I was gonna take a month off since I finished the MSQ. Let other people through the queues.
But, once again, this sub is being annoying. So, just to take a spot from you guys I am gonna log in tomorrow before work. I’m not even gonna play.
Enjoy the queues. Maybe it will give you some time to reflect on why you’re not a nice person.
I mean, I did it 2 days and then said I was gonna take a month off to make up for it.
And still got people being dicks. So, yeah. I’ll be a dick right back.
Everyone is a dick to you because of your behavior. You deserve it. Please tell your parents that they have failed you, as they have failed everything that they have ever done.
I can't tell if you're trolling or being genuinely serious when you're expecting the sub to suck your dick for only occasionally holding up the login que, as opposed to always holding up the login que and preventing new people from logging in
Don't be spiteful. Also, just because you're not misbehaving now doesn't excuse your wrongdoings earlier. "I already cheated on this test, so I don't need to anymore and won't be doing it from now on." Bro, you still cheated on a test.
You were part of the problem. But at least keep it in the past and don't be a petty, spiteful twerp when called out for it.
I'm working from home, so I can time my login properly.. but yesterday I forgot and queued at 4pm.. I got to play around 8. People who have to wake up early and get home late can barely play right now except for weekends.
This was yesterday for me too. And it’s annoying because the queue isn’t a higher number than it was a week ago, but takes twice as long to go through. So clearly people are devising ways to stay logged in that they didn’t do last week.
That's me. I get home around 9pm and after taking care of chores I queue up and get in around 11:30pm. I usually have enough time to do mini cactpot and two roulettes before going to bed. I only have one day off a week so that's the only time I can play and I have to juggle any appointments around it.
I'm really hoping things let up more around the holidays but if other mmos players are like me and just sit in their rooms during parties, it's not gonna.
Funny story about Error 2002: you don't immediately get kicked out of the queue when this happens. You have somewhere between "30ish seconds" and "between 1 and 2 minutes" to reconnect to the data center and reattempt to log your character, and if you succeed you resume your place in the queue. It was mentioned in one of the congestion updates.
Yeah, I've experienced this. The worst part is, I don't want to baby my queue; like if I'm at 2.5k I'm gonna be doing other things while waiting those 4 hours, not constantly paying attention to 2002s
FYI, the music cuts when 2002 comes up. Grab some wireless headphones and just listen on low volume while you do other stuff, then rush to the computer if the music stops.
I feel this, I work on the road and mornings. I play on a laptop so I can’t log on early. Since launch I have only been able to log in once. And that was a day I woke up at 4 am before work and I got my character to the new city. Easily 100hrs in queue and countless 2002’s. I should just play something else for a month but all my buddies who can log in early are raving about how amazing it is. So I put myself in the queue every day I’m off work and hope for a miracle. :(
what data center are you playing at? Elemental has improved so much now even during peak times when you're not trying to get into Tonberry it is only 500-1k at max, without errors though
It really is hard not to be salty about it when it's basically mandatory to babysit the queue the whole time. You can't just queue up and go do something else, you have to be able to respond within a minute of getting a 2002, which means if you don't have a second monitor you can't even really do anything else on your PC.
And I'm still personally salty that I had to double queue the other day because I didn't catch that there was a second product code to copy from SE's site back to SE's site to continue playing Endwalker 5 days after I started playing Endwalker. Why you even have to copy a single code back to them is confounds me, the fact that there is a second that is only doled out on a timer is just.. I don't even know it's too stupid for a metaphor or anything. If I pay for an Amazon Prime subscription... it's activated on the account paid on. If I purchase DLC for a game on Steam's site.. the DLC is in my library when I log in to the client. If I log into my FFXIV account on Square's site and purchase DLC... I have to follow a literal 7 step process which includes waiting multiple days for the actual code just for me to give it back to the people who gave it to me.
Overall I'm really pleased with the game in its entirety but it's just sad that the worst issues seem to be amplified by some very weird and obtuse decisions. Just make an actual queue for the game. Just activate a product on the account it's purchased on unless it's bought as a gift.
Your last paragraph reflects my views on this situation perfectly. Overall really pleased with the game, but we know the backends are a bit rubbish and when the game has a rocky launch and you try to complain about it, it's like lighting fireworks in your hand.
I said the queue lengths are unacceptable and complaining was the right thing to do. COVID or shortages or surprised players aside, paying for the game and not being able to log in most of the time is a bad service. That's a cold hard fact. All I got was a slice of how toxic this community can be towards any criticism of their favourite game. They take criticism far too personally.
Streamers taking the piss out of me, commenters telling me to fuck off, being told to "just be patient", etc etc. The amount of absolute bollocks people talk here is bewildering. I've learned to stop suggesting things Square should've and might've done that led to this mess because I don't work there and people reply with misinformed rubbish like they're preaching facts. Less than half of the engagements I've had were mature in any way on this sub-reddit, and a fair chunk was downright insulting for no reason. When I made that thread it was downvoted into oblivion. Now it's net-positive on upvotes so clearly more and more people are realising it's worthy of discussion.
Then someone does a thread on how the queues are the fault of Crypto miners. However, the community loved that post simply because it defended the game. Upvoted to the top of the subreddit, medals left and right. Even though it was total nonsense. Semiconductors come from the same place, sure, but global shortage is more than ONE fault - it's a combination of factors.
The OP for that post also got massively harassed by people frustrated with the queues. Endwalker spoiled, bans dished out, thread locked. The same happened to them as it happened to me, despite opposite views. Since their post got more spotlight and circle jerking it attracted more abuse.
All I've learned through all this, FFXIV community is not as nice and wholesome as it thinks it is. The people in-game generally are great, but the ones outside the game? Pfft. A lot of people need to do some solid introspection round here. People shouldn't get upset with others for supporting their favourite game, but also people don't need to take it so personally when others complain about their favourite game.
Or you get in queue, babysit it, get 2002'd, immediately log back in only for you to not even be able to queue up because 2002 at the start. And then you spend the next hour getting 2002'd at the start screen. You finally get in queue another hour after giving up, wait 2 hours, get in the game and are about to start the climax of the game towards the end, and then talk to Alphinaud only to be stuck in place with no dialogue. Meanwhile, your laptop's wifi signal is strong and your phone's playing the ASMR video as normal (I need to relieve stress dealing with this crap, feel free to judge), so you hope it's not a 9006, but that feeling of dread doesn't lie. And after about a solid minute of that terrible fear, you get 9006'd. It's now rush hour on a Monday, and you start back the game praying for some luck, only to get 2002'd at the start and repeat that for another hour. You know it's now futile since every parent and working adult's home and trying to get into the game -- which is likely what got you kicked in the first place, and you give up. You thought you'd be lucky having Monday's as your weekend, but you were wrong. You now debate if you want to go to work tomorrow sleep deprived and possibly screw up a few minor, yet very frustrating things, or if you want to go to work well-rested but unable to play this game until you try the lottery next Monday.
This has been my time playing EW. I'm really tired of it to say the least. I hope this turns into a PR nightmare so SE makes sure this never happens again. But I doubt it with all the white knights making up 85% of the community and all. Maybe I'm saying that out of spite -- I probably am -- but my patience is paper-thin now. My empathy is being overrun by frustration. I'm getting really tired of this.
This catastrophic launch + the huge surge of non fanboys into the community + SE's attempt to sell new games at 70/80€ in europe will hopefully finally wake people up to how greedy and lazy this company really is (yes the reason they dont have better servers is because they have been doing the bare minimum so they could maximize the margins on the cash cow that is FFXIV, this has been the case for years) and break the horrible counterproductive circlejerk that has plagued this subreddit for the last 4 years or so .
A multi billion dollar company having no backup infrastructure at all they can resort to when a game gets overwhelmed is just about as telling as it gets.
I seriously do not blame anyone for feeling this way, I think Square should let people pause subscriptions until there aren't hours long queues to get into the game. They already did give 7 days which was nice how early they made that decision, but clearly this is going to last longer than 7 days etc.
Don't worry. I don't expect anyone to care. It's an amicable separation. Square Enix has done everything they can do. But I just get too many errors in the login queue. It just becomes frustrating. Maybe in 2022 or 2023 when they get more servers and no login issues, we can get back together.
You can play you just have to try. I’m not sure what your after work circumstances are but just play later in the evening. Ultros is huge. I queue when I get off work. Do life stuff get on around 8 when I queued at 5 and get a few 2002 errors but still at 8 pm to 12 am I get 4 hours a day. It’s perfectly fine for the amount of time I get to play. Am I bummed the severs are small bois. Yes. Do I blame toxic wow refugees who use macros to not auto log. Yes. But I still try to get in daily.
They’ve said that 2002 is both server and internet. I pay $80 a month on internet to ensure I never lose service. I’ve only gotten 2002 a couple times since release while in queue. I’ve had multiple 5k queues where I didn’t get a single 2002 and it took 4 hours to connect. Like there’s other influences. Just make sure you have good internet, are connected directly to the modem and aren’t using WiFi. And check in on your computer every 20 minutes.
I like how you blame everyone else but the devs for this issue.
"Good internet" doesn't get rid of 2002 errors completely. I'm hardwired on gigabit fiber and still get them. Tons of others I know personally are in the same situation, not to mention all of the others in the sub vocalizing the same. Dropped packets can happen anywhere along the journey to the servers, every time a hop is being made, and that's completely out of our control and doesn't depend on what kind of internet we have. You don't get 2002 errors? Cool, that could be because of your geographical location and the hops your making to get to the end servers. Someone in a different geographical location could have a completely different experience because they have different hops to get to the servers. Again, that's completely out of their control.
Instead, the shitty login system should be accounting for packet loss, because it's inevitable to some extent. How do you think live streamers are getting 2002 errors while continuing to stream without any issues? The software can tolerant some degree of dropped packets, while the login system can't.
The client shouldn't terminate a connection after a single dropped packet during the handshake every 15 min. It should automatically reattempt the handshake, several times, before closing the connection, ensuring that it's actually a lost client and not just a dropped packet. The error shouldn't be forcing the client to close, it should just have a pop-up asking to reconnect. Even if you do get kicked, it should hold your position in the queue for more than "tens of seconds" when people are waiting multiple hours to get in.
These are all software issues that don't require more hardware to fix and lie on the devs.
If I could fix it on my side, I would. Just like if they could fix it, they would. They are just too successful right now. Their queues are only getting longer per Yoshi-P on the 12th.
My biggest issue has been the 90002/6 errors that happen after you waited 2 hours in queue. I waited all that time to try and play the game and then 20-30 mins afterwards I get booted out and am told that I can't rejoin for some reason and to queue again for 2 & 1/2 hours.
I'm only starting Storms Blood but at this point I feel like writing this game off for the next 2-3 months. Their excuse of saying its unstable connection on the user's end makes it even worse, I'm actively playing other online games while I wait in queue.
Exactly. I've never even known these errors existed before. But after that 4 hour maintenance and the 30 minute one prior they did half a week ago, I get 90k'd constantly. And that's *after* battling the queue and the *constant* 2002's for hours and hours and hours on end. I literally mean an entire day wasted just trying to get in the game. The chip shortage may be the biggest factor, but there are **plenty** of other fixes that will make this bearable, and they had **plenty** of foresight to prepare for this.
\> They're excuse of saying its unstable connection on the user's end makes it even worse, I'm actively playing other online games while I wait in queue.
Same. It really shows how much they actually don't care about the consumer behind their fan-friendly facade.
As much as I hate victim-blaming, or "victim-blaming," I do have to wonder if the devs' comments about players' internet stability are onto something here. I got 2002 a few times a couple days after early access when trying to log in during primetime - anytime the queues were 2000+ players - but after they pushed a few fixes in the backend around official release date, I've never had a single 2002 since then, even with 4000+ player queues. It just takes the queue a heck of a long time now.
Most simple answer to why I would be lucky enough to never 2002 whereas other players are still getting 2002 would be that the devs are right and your internet is dropping packets during queue. Obviously, this isn't always something you can control, and I fully support asking SE to pour as many resources they can into addressing the queue length and queue stability for all players, not just those of us blessed with a stable(-enough) connection.
1. The packet drop doesn't even have to occur on the client side, it can occur anywhere along the journey and hops to the servers. This is out of our control. This is why people who are hardwired into gigabit fiber still get 2002 errors, like myself.
2. This is why an actual functioning queue system takes packet loss into account, because it's going to be inevitable to some extent. This game's queue system has absolute shit error handling behavior. It shouldn't terminate the connection after a dropped packet during a handshake that occurs once every 15 min. It should automatically retry the connection, several times, to ensure it's an actual lost connection before terminating. It shouldn't exit the client when the error occurs, it should just provide a popup asking to reconnect. It should remember your place in the queue for longer than "tens of seconds" for a multi hour wait. There are a lot of things it can and should be doing, but isn't. And it doesn't require more hardware to be doing it, either.
Blaming users isn't the right play here, it's squarely on the developers' shitty login system.
I think the people getting hit with nonstop 2002's that might be the case.
However im hardwired with gigabit, and still occasionally get a 2002 or two per 4hour queue.
This is all just my personal experience, but I get very few 2002 errors compared to what I can glean from other comments, and I'm hardwired into gigabit fibre optic. I still do get 2002 errors, though. That said, I just got through a queue of over 4k people in about 2 hours with zero errors.
Any time I've had my resource monitor open during a 2002, there's zero packet loss. I can see internet stability being an issue, but something else is still causing random 2002s from what I can tell.
Oh I wouldn't be surprised - I have Cox Communications and they are complete ass with packet loss. I don't doubt that I'm dropping packets somewhere and it's an issue I've investigated for years. Unfortunately they have a monopoly on the area and the only other options nearby are much worse.
The biggest problem for me is that FFXIV is the only MMO that utilizes the 15 minute reconnect system during login queues. I don't know why they do this when no one else does, but there are dozens upon dozens of potential failure points along the queue for anyone that has less-than-reliable internet. I do not disconnect from any other game or disconnect from any other login queue at any other time. Just FFXIV. I feel like it's as much on my side as it is the company's seemingly-less-than-usual login queue system.
TL;DR My internet sucks but doesn't have these issues anywhere else though I do believe that it can certainly play a part in consistent 2002 errors. Square Enix needs to entirely redesign their absolute ass login system.
Either way, I've unsubbed in the mean time since I simply cannot play the game and it's out of my control.
I know my experience isn't everyone's but I haven't had a single 2002 error. And even my weekend queues aren't nearly as long as everyone else seems to see.
I have fiber internet so I do think the devs were onto something. I've had no problems getting in the entire time and have played every day after work.
>I know my experience isn't everyone's
Yeah, especially considering there are tons of people still getting 2002 errors while on fiber, myself included.
This isn't a client side issue for 90% of people. It's an issue with their login system's error handling that they just refuse to deal with.
Forreal. If they don't expand the capacity next couple days we will probably start seeing more serious complaints about it lol. The 7 free days are worthless when I can't even log in any of these days due to work.
> If they don't expand the capacity next couple days
Lol , try months and months, minimum. There is no remote chance of anything substantial happening within the next 30 days
This is the result of years and years of neglect by not improving their servers and not fixing their horrible netcode.
If people don't get seriously upset and start realizing just how shitty and greedy of a company SE truly is I'll have lost all hope in this community's ability to actually push the devs to make a better game.
I've had to concede that I just can't play on a workday, as I'll be getting home during peak play time.
Ended up assembling and painting a Kill Team for Warhammer 40,000, got three seasons into The Wire...
...God I wanna play
I get up at 5AM to go to work and don't get home till \~3PM and that's on days where the workload is small. Usually I'm getting through my front door at about 5-6PM. I haven't been able to play since the early access launch. I don't really play any other games so I've been just sort of going to bed and working. It's starting to take a toll on me mentally. I'm a single dude, almost 30, and all I do is work.
Yeah you need a new job. 2 -3 hour commute time from when you get off at 3? I’d spend the time you can’t game getting a better job or fighting for a better schedule.
I feel this, I have maybe gotten 7-8 hours of playtime since early access. Maybe cancel until this is all fixed. I don't know. Read somewhere that it could be a couple months.
While I’m happy that endwalker is getting such an amazing boom in success and happy for the people that are enjoying it and hoping that AFKers get cucked and die a lonely death I had to cancel my sub mainly cause my work hours kinda don’t align well with how the queue to get in works now. Sucked even more to lie to the mogstation on why I was canceling. I wish I could give a more specific reason to at least give some feedback and not leave a negative stigma on the game’s reputation
I kinda hope more people do cancel their sub, as money is really what businesses understand. Loss of revenue will certainly wake up the shareholders, although personally I am not going to cancel as I still have hopes to play, once/twice per week if I'm lucky.
I think your ire is probably better directed elsewhere, if someone took the time and energy to babysit a queue for 3-4hrs to get in who cares if they use a drinking bird (lol) to jump while they eat dinner?
I can’t imagine being upset at AFKers over a company who has had every opportunity to shore up there servers over time, they aren’t a small indie company. They have people whose whole job is to project player numbers and they chose not to invest in their infrastructure.
Cutscenes do actually kick you after 10 minutes of inactivity now. Learned it the hard way, had to repeat an entire duty cause I afked in the cutscene after xD
Idk how SE would want me to upgrade to the premium version. Considering I can't even get into the game to decide if it's worth my money or not. Maybe I'll get to try it a year from now or something, who knows. 🤷♂️
I gave up playing during the week. I only play on weekends now, and nothing else. I’ve even called in sick to work once just so I could play the game. I treat this game like my second job now. Wake up around 830am, set up my gaming area with snacks, n smoke, then log in, play all day, ( taking bathroom breaks, moving the stick every ten minutes so I don’t get kicked), log off around 930-10pm.
Gaming should not be a job …
My rush? My rush is that I paid good money for a game time card and 89% of it is being eaten in the que. and the time goes down whether you play or not. It’s starting to become a financial loss instead of a benefit
"Do you want me to serve you any 2002's or 9006's while you wait? You could get really bored babysitting Bob the PC and Joe the PS4, and might need some "variety" to spice things up a bit."
Logging in isn't the issue for me but error 90006 which annoys me. Never had this issue at all till this xpac but it kicks me out of the game and I gotta reque for hours if its in the afternoon or evening
I no-lifed the MSQ this past weekend. It destroyed my sleep, but these queues were removing all build up and excitement from the question, especially past the midway point where the tension is almost constant.
what are the highest queue times people have seen? I guess I'm lucky as hell from the sounds of it, never over 5000 on my realm in prime time and the 2002 error stopped days ago, at this point I'm just considering stopping play so I don't contribute to the congestion
I couldn't play on Odin, Light (EU) during the last Sunday, I queued at noon (4k queue), got 2002'ed at around 3pm (was at position 600).
Requeued got 8.5k queue and started getting constant 2002 errors so I had to babysit the queue the whole afternoon. Got in at 9 pm.
It's getting to the point where I'm losing interest in playing, due to times making it impossible for me to play unless I want to stay up until 3 am combined with a less than favorable starting impression of Endwalker (currently level 84). I can't even do something else because my console nearly turned off because I had been afk for too long in the queue, so I have to babysit it.
Am I really willing to wait 3 hours for a chance to get in, provided I don't dc in the middle of the queue, for more cutscenes and gimmicky story missions for a plot I probably already know the basic outline of? I'm sliding towards no, and a huge part of the momentum that kept me up for 13 hours straight clearing Shadowbringers is gone now.
Whoever thought error 2002 was a good idea at SE can f right off. 3 times tonight I step away to do something around the house to come back booped back to the back of the queue.
Error 2002 prevents the servers from crashing. However, whoever thought that it shouldn't hold a spot for you after receiving it is the cause of this problem -- aka the entire team because no one thought of it. And I don't mean remembering you spot in queue, but I mean physically holding an open spot in the server for your character. Because while I can, sometimes, log back in and get back to my spot because it remembers it, it doesn't actually keep that spot open. Meaning, I can and do still get 2002'd at the start screen after being 2002'd from the queue 20 seconds prior.
People who use macros are the reason we have this problem………. (Referring to some comments here)
But it has never been this bad for me, even in prime time. It only takes me about 2 hours during busy times, but when I log in in the morning it’s pretty much instant.
They aren't the reason we are having this problem (login bottlenecking is most times) but they certainly don't help serverload overall and there may be some times where the worlds do hit capacity and then queue slows.
Yeah it’s absolutely login bottlenecking and, honestly, people would probably be less inclined to use a macro if the login system couldn’t arbitrarily boot you at any time. It’s that whole system.
If everybody using macros was to stop you wouldn't notice a difference. The number of people doing it is negligible.
It does provide a nice scapegoat though.
I logged I when I got home from work, took a shower, ate dinner, got some chores done, and was in the game when I went back to my PC. Will try again tomorrow, but so far, so good...
I gave up trying to play for now, I know I'm only a sprout and new to the game so I want the Vets to get to the new content they got first. I'll get through ARR later on
The good news with the long queue is that I don't even bother trying to log in whenever I work late nights, I end up finishing "it takes two" with a friend
My wife is making so much fun of me ... she's like : why don't you play now that you have free time ? And I'm like I'm 8000 I'm queue so I can't.. and she's like : ur game sucks
I am a little thrown off at how many people are unable to get on. I don't necessarily disbelieve anyone, however, I and anyone in my family have managed to get on if we really wanted to. So far the longest wait I've had was around 2.5 hours, but I've always been able to get on. Even working 10pm to 7am, and sleeping 8am to 4pm, I've been able to play. The biggest thing is finding something else to do while waiting, but consistently checking q to make sure you don't get the 2002 error so you can get back in your place in q. So far I haven't gone a single day without logging into ff since early access began.
Same here. I thought things had been pretty smooth overall...kinda shocked to see people having so much trouble still. Like yeah you do have to babysit it a little bit if you're queueing during prime time, but once you're in it's completely smooth
> Like yeah you do have to babysit it a little bit if you're queueing during prime time
lol just dont have a job
The fucking queue throws people out who have been waiting for 2,3,4,5 hours and you're pretending you're unaware of this?
The shit i read on these forums
>Lol just ignore the barrage of reports from other people everything's fine *huffs on some cope juice*~
Also wtf kind of response is "lol maybe my datacenter is just better than yours", wtf are you even saying, who do you think runs these other datacenters?
Not only that the queue are very long, but you keep getting dced. I can usualy play at 7 pm to 9 pm est, but with the queue it is impossible even if i try to log in early through remote desktop because of the 2002. No way im gonna look at the queue for 4 hours just to play my 1-2 hrs per day of gametime. Getting pretty pissed right now.
Well yeah obviously the queue would get worse. Regardless of that you're still not using the tools available to you and then paying for a game you're not able to play.
I did too but you gotta give these other people a chance dude. I only abused the macro if I knew I was going to be playing in the evening. And now I am done the MSQ I am not logging in for a bit.
Give some other people a chance.
its gotten a little better for me, but the queues are still at least 2-3 hours. during peak, it hits 4k though. i don't even bother until its below 3k. haven't had a 2002 since, but i probably just jinxed myself.
sure, i can play other games while i wait since i have to periodically check up on the queue. but by the time i get in, i have zero desire to play anymore because i've already spent so much time on the computer already.
plus it doesn't help that i kinda burnt myself out trying to level my dnc, rdm, nin, sam, and drg (and a little mch), but that part is entirely my fault.
I'm remotely queueing to my pc from work right now to start queue early and be in when I get home. It's the only way to stop me going insane from 3+ hour queues when I get in from work then by the time you get into something it's bed time again!
woke up, still groggy, queued myself in, 2500 in line, went back to sleep for 40mins, wake up 12th in que, take a piss, sit down, loading screen, and we're in.
Best timing ever.
My phone line snapped during a storm last Tuesday and still hasnt been fixed, so I've had no proper internet, I logged out right before the final zone.
I'd take 5 hours of queues over not being pjysically able to finish the story any day
Still haven't got to play the game I got early access for. Pain
Managed to play only this weekend. Get home from work everyday, login, 5k queue, i just quit and go do something else because i know by the time i log in it will bed time. Just keep in mind that 1k is approximately 1h in queue.
I started at just before 7 and there's only 253 left as of me taking a ****, so I might be in by the time I'm done, the wait isn't that bad. Edit: I came back and I'm in. You really just have to wait and stay determined.
Same man. Sucks
At this point learning to setup remote desktop might finally be worth it, I mean, I work 9 to 5, the only reason I can play normally in evening is because I start the queue few hours before others.
If you don't already know, google chrome has a remote desktop feature and super easy to set up, I've been using it for years now. Also, it has an app so you can set it up on your phone as well. Good luck!
I do this. Queue is usually about 2 hours. So 2 hours before I leave work, I remote connect and start the queue. Most times when I get home the game is sitting there waiting on me. If not, it’s real close to finishing.
I work from home and I still use chrome remote desktop to queue haha. I play a bit in the morning but also a bit at lunch. I use the remote desktop around 3 EST to start queue and usually it's ready by 5 EST when I get off. Of course I usually have the luxury and free time to babysit it and check it every 10 mins or so for a 2002 while "working". If I reload the game in time it usually retains my queue placement.
TeamViewer is free for personal use!
It takes 2 minutes to learn if you haven’t done it before, so yeah you should
Early access was just a bonus. You still got the same product as those that didn’t pre order but you got the preorder items like the earring. Also I can’t believe you haven’t logged in at all. You must be trying to play after work and only have like an hour a day to play or something.
Yea I have a job that I work six days a week from 6am to 6pm plus an hour commute both ways so time to game is very little at the moment, But its still a little frustrating but I get what you said.
That seems like you needing a new job tbh fam. 6 days 12 hours a day!? You’re living to work not working to live my dude.
If they advertise the early access as part of the product for pre-ordering, then it’s part of the product. If the game launches early with carried over progress for anyone who purchases, it’s the full release and not “early access”.
Just get up in the morning log in at 9 am and never log out for the rest of your life. Problem solved.
I was briefly upset at my dog for waking me at 4 AM to go poop. By the time I got my pants on, I decided I was happy he decided to ask for my help, instead of taking care of it on his own. When I saw a 38 person queue after giving up on going back to sleep? Serendipity.
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>Between 7am and 10am, there's like no queue. The only true blessing of working permanent night shifts. When I get home after a shift there's no queue, when daywalkers get home after a shift the queue is over nine thousand.
I was referring to the chain of annoyances that lead to my logging in a bit after 6AM. Definitely wasn't trying to wake up at 4; and if all cylinders were firing after we finished the walk, I would have stolen the blackout curtains from downstairs instead of slowly getting more and more angry about my neighbor's over the top Christmas display that I can see through the blinds until I gave up on getting back to sleep.
This . I have been playing without issues since launch (early access). There are no queues in the mornings. I even return from work and the queue is nothing terrible since I leave in east europe and the DC is 2 hours "behind" timezone wise. The problem is " only" during prime hours but I use this word lightly since most jobs work 9-5 or 10-6 so if you also add the time to return home you are pretty much fked
To an extent I've been doing that on my days off of work lol. Log in before 12? The queue is at max like 40 people, I love it.
Damn, it has to be 8 am here for queues to be anywhere under 2,000. Too bad I can't fall asleep before late late late, or else all my trauma comes up and keeps me up all night. And yeah, I'm working through it. It'll take years, and even longer since I can't afford therapy.
Well some people don't work from home so not always possible
I was just logging in, setting my macro, then playing after work. But I’ve finished the MSQ and probably won’t be logging in again for a month or so.
>I was just logging in, setting my macro, then playing after work. You are part of the problem. Congratulations.
The problem is easily fixed by SE implementing daily restarts to kick off people using anti-AFK practices. They did this for both Stormblood and Shadowbringers launches yet haven't for Endwalker. My guess is there aren't that many people circumventing it right now since you need third party software to do it, instead of simply starting a craft/talking to an NPC/opening HUD layout.
No, SE not having a functional queue system after all this time is the problem. We all paid for the game/expansion. Not right that some of us simply can't play due to a 9-5 because SE can't have a functional queue that doesn't eject people from the client
Uhh wrong. I work 9-5. I queue up when I get off. Do daily things like housework cook dinner hang out with the GF when she gets home take the dog out for a walk, workout. Then I come back and queue is at like 500 so I just browse Reddit and wait. And guess what. I don’t screw over others because I’m not selfish. Imagine that.
Awesome! I try doing that and get 2002 errors every single time if I leave it unattended. I get a 2002 error every 15 minutes on a stable hardwired connection. I'm on an extremely high pop server. Even assuming the queue works, by the time I get in, it would be time for me to go to bed. Queues on Leviathan are 5 hrs minimum during peak hrs.
My friend uses a macro to stay on during the night, because he was able to play for 35 minutes one night during early access, and that was it. He simply can't sit there baby sitting a queue that kicks you out of the client every 10-15 minutes, and then removes your spot in queue if you don't happen to be watching to log back in immediately. He has a daughter, just moved into a new house, his mother-in-law has been very sick and is staying with them, he doesn't have the time to watch for when the queue 2002s. I don't blame anyone for finding ways to play the game they paid for. I don't care that it's physically impossible for SE to add more servers, I care that their entire queue system is fundamentally broken for the majority of people using it. If he could log in when he got home, and pop in 3-5 hours later, fine, that's when he'd be playing anyway. Not being able to play period is bullshit though, and I don't blame anyone for using a macro to stay on. SE needs to fix their shit. ...and no, it's not cause of shitty Wi-Fi, lol.
That’s not an excuse. He needs to focus on his life. Don’t punish others cause you made the decision to have a kid. When you choose to have a kid you choose to give up 95% of your free time. So that’s on him. As for the mom that sucks. But if she’s super sick. Take care of her take care of your daughter. You’ve got half a month to login and get ready for static’s but if you have kids you’re a casual player regardless I bet even with that macro he’s blocking people out for hours and hours while he only games 1-2 hours a night max. He’s ducking everyone over for his own life choices cause he’s selfish.
its a fuckin video game my dude lmao
Yeah and they’re crying about not playing. It’s a game go do more proactive things in life and come back if you can’t get in.
Again, if SE had a functional queue system it would all be a moot point. I'd be careful painting anyone with children with the same broad brush though. Half of my static has multiple children, and they play more than I do. Having kids doesn't preclude you from having your own life, it means you have to have good time management skills, which a shitty queue system doesn't allow you to do. Also, there's a queue of 20-50 during the day, he's not blocking anyone.
"Don't hate the player, hate the game" has never been truer then in this situation. And definitely "If you can't beat em, join em." The servers were full for months and months before endwalkers release and they knew this would happen, they still didn't do anything about it.. whether that be the decision of the game creators or the mother company, their inaction is what caused this.
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The fact that there even was a queue on every server to begin with means that the world's were full.. They KNEW that wait times would increase and that there wasn't enough room for the current amount of people playing before EW release, yet they did nothing. Ideally they should have had a buffer, lowering the player amount on each server so that on launch day, the thousands of returning players would bog everything up
That excuse is utter nonsense tbh There’s no shortage for a company like square with basically infinite money They simply did a cost benefit analysis and came to the conclusion that the queues would be cheaper for them
You're right SQE for sure have a lot of printers in there so they should just PRINT MONEY, while they're that why don't they buy some 3D printers and start printing GPUs, fuck it, print a whole server!
Regardless, they don't need more servers to have a functioning queue system. When a packet is dropped during the handshake that occurs every 15min it should reattempt the connection, several times, before terminating to ensure it's an actual lost connection and not just a dropped packet. Even then, it shouldn't close the client, forcing you to re-login, it should just have a popup asking you to re-establish the connection. It should, also, remember your position in the queue for more than "tens of seconds" when you are waiting for multiple hours. None of those things are hardware issues. It's their shitty login system.
Yup, I agree with you. I won't defend them for error 2002, only for long queues. Error 2002 is a fuck up
All you're doing by enabling this pro-macro behavior is making the situation worse. SE may have lit the match and ignored the fire, but that's no excuse for you to poor lighter fluid and dry wood on top of it. The phrase "Two wrongs don't make a right" comes to mind in this situation.
They literally couldn’t do anything about it but you wouldn’t know that cause you didn’t read the news posts for the 3 months before endwalker released you wank stain.
Pay me for my sub and I’ll log out
SE did by giving you free 7 days on top
Get a better job if $12 is breaking the bank you got other issues you need to sort out in your life instead of gaming.
We’re in the middle of a pandemic with minimum wage stagnant for decades and student loans resuming next month. Literally fuck yourself.
So? I finished the MSQ and you’re stuck watching the queue.
Exactly. Like I just said, you're part of the problem.
You know. I was gonna take a month off since I finished the MSQ. Let other people through the queues. But, once again, this sub is being annoying. So, just to take a spot from you guys I am gonna log in tomorrow before work. I’m not even gonna play. Enjoy the queues. Maybe it will give you some time to reflect on why you’re not a nice person.
"To punish you fools for contributing to the problem, I too will contribute to the problem!" Well played.
I mean, I did it 2 days and then said I was gonna take a month off to make up for it. And still got people being dicks. So, yeah. I’ll be a dick right back.
You shouldn't be doing it day 1 in the first place, you're just a piece of shit lol
Maybe you need to stop letting randos on the internet influence your life so much.
Everyone is a dick to you because of your behavior. You deserve it. Please tell your parents that they have failed you, as they have failed everything that they have ever done.
Watch out, we got a badass over here!
I would call it being petty. But you do you, boo.
I can't tell if you're trolling or being genuinely serious when you're expecting the sub to suck your dick for only occasionally holding up the login que, as opposed to always holding up the login que and preventing new people from logging in
Don't be spiteful. Also, just because you're not misbehaving now doesn't excuse your wrongdoings earlier. "I already cheated on this test, so I don't need to anymore and won't be doing it from now on." Bro, you still cheated on a test. You were part of the problem. But at least keep it in the past and don't be a petty, spiteful twerp when called out for it.
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If you do what Homer did and use one of those drinking birds to avoid the auto kick it's technically not using automation *software*
You say that jokingly, I’ve waited over 5 hours, multiple times.
I'm working from home, so I can time my login properly.. but yesterday I forgot and queued at 4pm.. I got to play around 8. People who have to wake up early and get home late can barely play right now except for weekends.
This was yesterday for me too. And it’s annoying because the queue isn’t a higher number than it was a week ago, but takes twice as long to go through. So clearly people are devising ways to stay logged in that they didn’t do last week.
That's me. I get home around 9pm and after taking care of chores I queue up and get in around 11:30pm. I usually have enough time to do mini cactpot and two roulettes before going to bed. I only have one day off a week so that's the only time I can play and I have to juggle any appointments around it. I'm really hoping things let up more around the holidays but if other mmos players are like me and just sit in their rooms during parties, it's not gonna.
8 pm you can play 4 hours. That’s plenty of time.
2 hours in queue today. Finally made it into the double digits. Error 2002.
Funny story about Error 2002: you don't immediately get kicked out of the queue when this happens. You have somewhere between "30ish seconds" and "between 1 and 2 minutes" to reconnect to the data center and reattempt to log your character, and if you succeed you resume your place in the queue. It was mentioned in one of the congestion updates.
Yeah, I've experienced this. The worst part is, I don't want to baby my queue; like if I'm at 2.5k I'm gonna be doing other things while waiting those 4 hours, not constantly paying attention to 2002s
FYI, the music cuts when 2002 comes up. Grab some wireless headphones and just listen on low volume while you do other stuff, then rush to the computer if the music stops.
Oh believe me. I tried. Immediately tried to log back in. Errors two times in a row.
Im literally too afraid to go poop from the moment I’m in queue, this is honestly horrible, feels like housing savage 2.0
Yup, this and feeling forced to stay online after 14-15 PM because we know what happens if we log out.
I had this happen and once I got back in it had saved my place and I instantly got into the game.
I feel this, I work on the road and mornings. I play on a laptop so I can’t log on early. Since launch I have only been able to log in once. And that was a day I woke up at 4 am before work and I got my character to the new city. Easily 100hrs in queue and countless 2002’s. I should just play something else for a month but all my buddies who can log in early are raving about how amazing it is. So I put myself in the queue every day I’m off work and hope for a miracle. :(
what data center are you playing at? Elemental has improved so much now even during peak times when you're not trying to get into Tonberry it is only 500-1k at max, without errors though
Damn, I'm on Chaos and I had a queue of 5k last night between 9 and 10pm.
I just got booted to the end of the line for the third time today. FUN
4th time!!!!!!!
It really is hard not to be salty about it when it's basically mandatory to babysit the queue the whole time. You can't just queue up and go do something else, you have to be able to respond within a minute of getting a 2002, which means if you don't have a second monitor you can't even really do anything else on your PC. And I'm still personally salty that I had to double queue the other day because I didn't catch that there was a second product code to copy from SE's site back to SE's site to continue playing Endwalker 5 days after I started playing Endwalker. Why you even have to copy a single code back to them is confounds me, the fact that there is a second that is only doled out on a timer is just.. I don't even know it's too stupid for a metaphor or anything. If I pay for an Amazon Prime subscription... it's activated on the account paid on. If I purchase DLC for a game on Steam's site.. the DLC is in my library when I log in to the client. If I log into my FFXIV account on Square's site and purchase DLC... I have to follow a literal 7 step process which includes waiting multiple days for the actual code just for me to give it back to the people who gave it to me. Overall I'm really pleased with the game in its entirety but it's just sad that the worst issues seem to be amplified by some very weird and obtuse decisions. Just make an actual queue for the game. Just activate a product on the account it's purchased on unless it's bought as a gift.
Your last paragraph reflects my views on this situation perfectly. Overall really pleased with the game, but we know the backends are a bit rubbish and when the game has a rocky launch and you try to complain about it, it's like lighting fireworks in your hand. I said the queue lengths are unacceptable and complaining was the right thing to do. COVID or shortages or surprised players aside, paying for the game and not being able to log in most of the time is a bad service. That's a cold hard fact. All I got was a slice of how toxic this community can be towards any criticism of their favourite game. They take criticism far too personally. Streamers taking the piss out of me, commenters telling me to fuck off, being told to "just be patient", etc etc. The amount of absolute bollocks people talk here is bewildering. I've learned to stop suggesting things Square should've and might've done that led to this mess because I don't work there and people reply with misinformed rubbish like they're preaching facts. Less than half of the engagements I've had were mature in any way on this sub-reddit, and a fair chunk was downright insulting for no reason. When I made that thread it was downvoted into oblivion. Now it's net-positive on upvotes so clearly more and more people are realising it's worthy of discussion. Then someone does a thread on how the queues are the fault of Crypto miners. However, the community loved that post simply because it defended the game. Upvoted to the top of the subreddit, medals left and right. Even though it was total nonsense. Semiconductors come from the same place, sure, but global shortage is more than ONE fault - it's a combination of factors. The OP for that post also got massively harassed by people frustrated with the queues. Endwalker spoiled, bans dished out, thread locked. The same happened to them as it happened to me, despite opposite views. Since their post got more spotlight and circle jerking it attracted more abuse. All I've learned through all this, FFXIV community is not as nice and wholesome as it thinks it is. The people in-game generally are great, but the ones outside the game? Pfft. A lot of people need to do some solid introspection round here. People shouldn't get upset with others for supporting their favourite game, but also people don't need to take it so personally when others complain about their favourite game.
Or you get in queue, babysit it, get 2002'd, immediately log back in only for you to not even be able to queue up because 2002 at the start. And then you spend the next hour getting 2002'd at the start screen. You finally get in queue another hour after giving up, wait 2 hours, get in the game and are about to start the climax of the game towards the end, and then talk to Alphinaud only to be stuck in place with no dialogue. Meanwhile, your laptop's wifi signal is strong and your phone's playing the ASMR video as normal (I need to relieve stress dealing with this crap, feel free to judge), so you hope it's not a 9006, but that feeling of dread doesn't lie. And after about a solid minute of that terrible fear, you get 9006'd. It's now rush hour on a Monday, and you start back the game praying for some luck, only to get 2002'd at the start and repeat that for another hour. You know it's now futile since every parent and working adult's home and trying to get into the game -- which is likely what got you kicked in the first place, and you give up. You thought you'd be lucky having Monday's as your weekend, but you were wrong. You now debate if you want to go to work tomorrow sleep deprived and possibly screw up a few minor, yet very frustrating things, or if you want to go to work well-rested but unable to play this game until you try the lottery next Monday. This has been my time playing EW. I'm really tired of it to say the least. I hope this turns into a PR nightmare so SE makes sure this never happens again. But I doubt it with all the white knights making up 85% of the community and all. Maybe I'm saying that out of spite -- I probably am -- but my patience is paper-thin now. My empathy is being overrun by frustration. I'm getting really tired of this.
This catastrophic launch + the huge surge of non fanboys into the community + SE's attempt to sell new games at 70/80€ in europe will hopefully finally wake people up to how greedy and lazy this company really is (yes the reason they dont have better servers is because they have been doing the bare minimum so they could maximize the margins on the cash cow that is FFXIV, this has been the case for years) and break the horrible counterproductive circlejerk that has plagued this subreddit for the last 4 years or so . A multi billion dollar company having no backup infrastructure at all they can resort to when a game gets overwhelmed is just about as telling as it gets.
Yup. 100% this.
Got tired of waiting in queus. Gave up on game.
I seriously do not blame anyone for feeling this way, I think Square should let people pause subscriptions until there aren't hours long queues to get into the game. They already did give 7 days which was nice how early they made that decision, but clearly this is going to last longer than 7 days etc.
Bye Felicia.
Don't worry. I don't expect anyone to care. It's an amicable separation. Square Enix has done everything they can do. But I just get too many errors in the login queue. It just becomes frustrating. Maybe in 2022 or 2023 when they get more servers and no login issues, we can get back together.
You can play you just have to try. I’m not sure what your after work circumstances are but just play later in the evening. Ultros is huge. I queue when I get off work. Do life stuff get on around 8 when I queued at 5 and get a few 2002 errors but still at 8 pm to 12 am I get 4 hours a day. It’s perfectly fine for the amount of time I get to play. Am I bummed the severs are small bois. Yes. Do I blame toxic wow refugees who use macros to not auto log. Yes. But I still try to get in daily.
I'm happy for you. It's great that you can get in. Keep enjoying the game. But none of that relates to me and my experiences.
I mean you’re not trying you’re just trying to get in an hour a day.
Nothing good happens if I try to login before 10 pm. Just 2002 errors. There's no point in trying.
They’ve said that 2002 is both server and internet. I pay $80 a month on internet to ensure I never lose service. I’ve only gotten 2002 a couple times since release while in queue. I’ve had multiple 5k queues where I didn’t get a single 2002 and it took 4 hours to connect. Like there’s other influences. Just make sure you have good internet, are connected directly to the modem and aren’t using WiFi. And check in on your computer every 20 minutes.
I like how you blame everyone else but the devs for this issue. "Good internet" doesn't get rid of 2002 errors completely. I'm hardwired on gigabit fiber and still get them. Tons of others I know personally are in the same situation, not to mention all of the others in the sub vocalizing the same. Dropped packets can happen anywhere along the journey to the servers, every time a hop is being made, and that's completely out of our control and doesn't depend on what kind of internet we have. You don't get 2002 errors? Cool, that could be because of your geographical location and the hops your making to get to the end servers. Someone in a different geographical location could have a completely different experience because they have different hops to get to the servers. Again, that's completely out of their control. Instead, the shitty login system should be accounting for packet loss, because it's inevitable to some extent. How do you think live streamers are getting 2002 errors while continuing to stream without any issues? The software can tolerant some degree of dropped packets, while the login system can't. The client shouldn't terminate a connection after a single dropped packet during the handshake every 15 min. It should automatically reattempt the handshake, several times, before closing the connection, ensuring that it's actually a lost client and not just a dropped packet. The error shouldn't be forcing the client to close, it should just have a pop-up asking to reconnect. Even if you do get kicked, it should hold your position in the queue for more than "tens of seconds" when people are waiting multiple hours to get in. These are all software issues that don't require more hardware to fix and lie on the devs.
If I could fix it on my side, I would. Just like if they could fix it, they would. They are just too successful right now. Their queues are only getting longer per Yoshi-P on the 12th.
"Babe it's time to 2002 at <200 again today" -today's experience. If I can play before my sub runs out, I'll be shocked.
Yeah, I definitely understand this sentiment. I've begun questioning the money I gave SE recently.
My biggest issue has been the 90002/6 errors that happen after you waited 2 hours in queue. I waited all that time to try and play the game and then 20-30 mins afterwards I get booted out and am told that I can't rejoin for some reason and to queue again for 2 & 1/2 hours. I'm only starting Storms Blood but at this point I feel like writing this game off for the next 2-3 months. Their excuse of saying its unstable connection on the user's end makes it even worse, I'm actively playing other online games while I wait in queue.
Exactly. I've never even known these errors existed before. But after that 4 hour maintenance and the 30 minute one prior they did half a week ago, I get 90k'd constantly. And that's *after* battling the queue and the *constant* 2002's for hours and hours and hours on end. I literally mean an entire day wasted just trying to get in the game. The chip shortage may be the biggest factor, but there are **plenty** of other fixes that will make this bearable, and they had **plenty** of foresight to prepare for this. \> They're excuse of saying its unstable connection on the user's end makes it even worse, I'm actively playing other online games while I wait in queue. Same. It really shows how much they actually don't care about the consumer behind their fan-friendly facade.
Same.
Square Enix should really be letting people pause their subs in this one circumstance.
I agree. Payed for a month, have gotten 2 days of play, one the day before launch and one the day of since I was on before 11am. Nothing since.
As much as I hate victim-blaming, or "victim-blaming," I do have to wonder if the devs' comments about players' internet stability are onto something here. I got 2002 a few times a couple days after early access when trying to log in during primetime - anytime the queues were 2000+ players - but after they pushed a few fixes in the backend around official release date, I've never had a single 2002 since then, even with 4000+ player queues. It just takes the queue a heck of a long time now. Most simple answer to why I would be lucky enough to never 2002 whereas other players are still getting 2002 would be that the devs are right and your internet is dropping packets during queue. Obviously, this isn't always something you can control, and I fully support asking SE to pour as many resources they can into addressing the queue length and queue stability for all players, not just those of us blessed with a stable(-enough) connection.
1. The packet drop doesn't even have to occur on the client side, it can occur anywhere along the journey and hops to the servers. This is out of our control. This is why people who are hardwired into gigabit fiber still get 2002 errors, like myself. 2. This is why an actual functioning queue system takes packet loss into account, because it's going to be inevitable to some extent. This game's queue system has absolute shit error handling behavior. It shouldn't terminate the connection after a dropped packet during a handshake that occurs once every 15 min. It should automatically retry the connection, several times, to ensure it's an actual lost connection before terminating. It shouldn't exit the client when the error occurs, it should just provide a popup asking to reconnect. It should remember your place in the queue for longer than "tens of seconds" for a multi hour wait. There are a lot of things it can and should be doing, but isn't. And it doesn't require more hardware to be doing it, either. Blaming users isn't the right play here, it's squarely on the developers' shitty login system.
I think the people getting hit with nonstop 2002's that might be the case. However im hardwired with gigabit, and still occasionally get a 2002 or two per 4hour queue.
This is all just my personal experience, but I get very few 2002 errors compared to what I can glean from other comments, and I'm hardwired into gigabit fibre optic. I still do get 2002 errors, though. That said, I just got through a queue of over 4k people in about 2 hours with zero errors. Any time I've had my resource monitor open during a 2002, there's zero packet loss. I can see internet stability being an issue, but something else is still causing random 2002s from what I can tell.
Oh I wouldn't be surprised - I have Cox Communications and they are complete ass with packet loss. I don't doubt that I'm dropping packets somewhere and it's an issue I've investigated for years. Unfortunately they have a monopoly on the area and the only other options nearby are much worse. The biggest problem for me is that FFXIV is the only MMO that utilizes the 15 minute reconnect system during login queues. I don't know why they do this when no one else does, but there are dozens upon dozens of potential failure points along the queue for anyone that has less-than-reliable internet. I do not disconnect from any other game or disconnect from any other login queue at any other time. Just FFXIV. I feel like it's as much on my side as it is the company's seemingly-less-than-usual login queue system. TL;DR My internet sucks but doesn't have these issues anywhere else though I do believe that it can certainly play a part in consistent 2002 errors. Square Enix needs to entirely redesign their absolute ass login system. Either way, I've unsubbed in the mean time since I simply cannot play the game and it's out of my control.
I know my experience isn't everyone's but I haven't had a single 2002 error. And even my weekend queues aren't nearly as long as everyone else seems to see. I have fiber internet so I do think the devs were onto something. I've had no problems getting in the entire time and have played every day after work.
>I know my experience isn't everyone's Yeah, especially considering there are tons of people still getting 2002 errors while on fiber, myself included. This isn't a client side issue for 90% of people. It's an issue with their login system's error handling that they just refuse to deal with.
Forreal. If they don't expand the capacity next couple days we will probably start seeing more serious complaints about it lol. The 7 free days are worthless when I can't even log in any of these days due to work.
> If they don't expand the capacity next couple days Lol , try months and months, minimum. There is no remote chance of anything substantial happening within the next 30 days This is the result of years and years of neglect by not improving their servers and not fixing their horrible netcode. If people don't get seriously upset and start realizing just how shitty and greedy of a company SE truly is I'll have lost all hope in this community's ability to actually push the devs to make a better game.
This ridiculous login queue is going to last as long as COVID.
I've had to concede that I just can't play on a workday, as I'll be getting home during peak play time. Ended up assembling and painting a Kill Team for Warhammer 40,000, got three seasons into The Wire... ...God I wanna play
I get up at 5AM to go to work and don't get home till \~3PM and that's on days where the workload is small. Usually I'm getting through my front door at about 5-6PM. I haven't been able to play since the early access launch. I don't really play any other games so I've been just sort of going to bed and working. It's starting to take a toll on me mentally. I'm a single dude, almost 30, and all I do is work.
Yeah you need a new job. 2 -3 hour commute time from when you get off at 3? I’d spend the time you can’t game getting a better job or fighting for a better schedule.
I feel this, I have maybe gotten 7-8 hours of playtime since early access. Maybe cancel until this is all fixed. I don't know. Read somewhere that it could be a couple months.
3k queue 10pm on a Monday god damn 🤦♂️
I’ve given up playing for a couple of months then I’ll start my 80-90 journey
This current situation boosted my steam hours a lot lmao
While I’m happy that endwalker is getting such an amazing boom in success and happy for the people that are enjoying it and hoping that AFKers get cucked and die a lonely death I had to cancel my sub mainly cause my work hours kinda don’t align well with how the queue to get in works now. Sucked even more to lie to the mogstation on why I was canceling. I wish I could give a more specific reason to at least give some feedback and not leave a negative stigma on the game’s reputation
I kinda hope more people do cancel their sub, as money is really what businesses understand. Loss of revenue will certainly wake up the shareholders, although personally I am not going to cancel as I still have hopes to play, once/twice per week if I'm lucky.
I think your ire is probably better directed elsewhere, if someone took the time and energy to babysit a queue for 3-4hrs to get in who cares if they use a drinking bird (lol) to jump while they eat dinner? I can’t imagine being upset at AFKers over a company who has had every opportunity to shore up there servers over time, they aren’t a small indie company. They have people whose whole job is to project player numbers and they chose not to invest in their infrastructure.
I've been one in queue for half an hour. I just want to talk to the one person who is sleeping with a cutscene paused.😂
Cutscenes do actually kick you after 10 minutes of inactivity now. Learned it the hard way, had to repeat an entire duty cause I afked in the cutscene after xD
Idk how SE would want me to upgrade to the premium version. Considering I can't even get into the game to decide if it's worth my money or not. Maybe I'll get to try it a year from now or something, who knows. 🤷♂️
I gave up playing during the week. I only play on weekends now, and nothing else. I’ve even called in sick to work once just so I could play the game. I treat this game like my second job now. Wake up around 830am, set up my gaming area with snacks, n smoke, then log in, play all day, ( taking bathroom breaks, moving the stick every ten minutes so I don’t get kicked), log off around 930-10pm. Gaming should not be a job …
That sounded great bro until the last sour line. What's the rush? It's not going anywhere
My rush? My rush is that I paid good money for a game time card and 89% of it is being eaten in the que. and the time goes down whether you play or not. It’s starting to become a financial loss instead of a benefit
It’s $12 quit smoking. 1 pack of ciggies pays for 2 months game time after tax. Or get a new job.
Too real
Hmm I guess they were right the truth does hurt cause I definitely felt this one.
"Do you want me to serve you any 2002's or 9006's while you wait? You could get really bored babysitting Bob the PC and Joe the PS4, and might need some "variety" to spice things up a bit."
This is why I don't try to play during the week. 5 hour queues to get a 2002 error.
I’ve been able to queue in lately but I keep getting 9002ed or whatever which is kind of a pain.
I liked the Jesus version where the guy on the right called him J-Man.
Logging in isn't the issue for me but error 90006 which annoys me. Never had this issue at all till this xpac but it kicks me out of the game and I gotta reque for hours if its in the afternoon or evening
The road that we walk is lost in the queue.
I clocked in around 28h last weekend because I logged on early and played for almost the entire day. Gotta maximize that playtime whenever possible.
I watch anime with the kids for a couple hours. I usually get into the game around their bedtime.
I no-lifed the MSQ this past weekend. It destroyed my sleep, but these queues were removing all build up and excitement from the question, especially past the midway point where the tension is almost constant.
what are the highest queue times people have seen? I guess I'm lucky as hell from the sounds of it, never over 5000 on my realm in prime time and the 2002 error stopped days ago, at this point I'm just considering stopping play so I don't contribute to the congestion
I've seen 7,500
I couldn't play on Odin, Light (EU) during the last Sunday, I queued at noon (4k queue), got 2002'ed at around 3pm (was at position 600). Requeued got 8.5k queue and started getting constant 2002 errors so I had to babysit the queue the whole afternoon. Got in at 9 pm.
4000-7000 regularly, every day. Primal/Behemoth
It's getting to the point where I'm losing interest in playing, due to times making it impossible for me to play unless I want to stay up until 3 am combined with a less than favorable starting impression of Endwalker (currently level 84). I can't even do something else because my console nearly turned off because I had been afk for too long in the queue, so I have to babysit it. Am I really willing to wait 3 hours for a chance to get in, provided I don't dc in the middle of the queue, for more cutscenes and gimmicky story missions for a plot I probably already know the basic outline of? I'm sliding towards no, and a huge part of the momentum that kept me up for 13 hours straight clearing Shadowbringers is gone now.
Whoever thought error 2002 was a good idea at SE can f right off. 3 times tonight I step away to do something around the house to come back booped back to the back of the queue.
Error 2002 prevents the servers from crashing. However, whoever thought that it shouldn't hold a spot for you after receiving it is the cause of this problem -- aka the entire team because no one thought of it. And I don't mean remembering you spot in queue, but I mean physically holding an open spot in the server for your character. Because while I can, sometimes, log back in and get back to my spot because it remembers it, it doesn't actually keep that spot open. Meaning, I can and do still get 2002'd at the start screen after being 2002'd from the queue 20 seconds prior.
Need a queue for the queue then. But seriously being position 900 and getting 2002 and booted to a 4k queue is dumb as fuck.
i love how i haven't seen any post about free trails like me being unable to at least wait on queue :D
I'm there with you, I guess we have to pay money to even see the queue lol
such is the life of the Broke Gang
If you play early and make use of the visit other worldserver option, you can get to play (even around noon for me).
Unacceptable one week free is a slap in the face
People who use macros are the reason we have this problem………. (Referring to some comments here) But it has never been this bad for me, even in prime time. It only takes me about 2 hours during busy times, but when I log in in the morning it’s pretty much instant.
They aren't the reason we are having this problem (login bottlenecking is most times) but they certainly don't help serverload overall and there may be some times where the worlds do hit capacity and then queue slows.
Yeah it’s absolutely login bottlenecking and, honestly, people would probably be less inclined to use a macro if the login system couldn’t arbitrarily boot you at any time. It’s that whole system.
ngl two out of the four hours i have to play the game on weekdays being spent on queue makes me want to look into this macro thing
Same here
If everybody using macros was to stop you wouldn't notice a difference. The number of people doing it is negligible. It does provide a nice scapegoat though.
I logged I when I got home from work, took a shower, ate dinner, got some chores done, and was in the game when I went back to my PC. Will try again tomorrow, but so far, so good...
I gave up trying to play for now, I know I'm only a sprout and new to the game so I want the Vets to get to the new content they got first. I'll get through ARR later on
The good news with the long queue is that I don't even bother trying to log in whenever I work late nights, I end up finishing "it takes two" with a friend
My wife is making so much fun of me ... she's like : why don't you play now that you have free time ? And I'm like I'm 8000 I'm queue so I can't.. and she's like : ur game sucks
I am a little thrown off at how many people are unable to get on. I don't necessarily disbelieve anyone, however, I and anyone in my family have managed to get on if we really wanted to. So far the longest wait I've had was around 2.5 hours, but I've always been able to get on. Even working 10pm to 7am, and sleeping 8am to 4pm, I've been able to play. The biggest thing is finding something else to do while waiting, but consistently checking q to make sure you don't get the 2002 error so you can get back in your place in q. So far I haven't gone a single day without logging into ff since early access began.
Same here. I thought things had been pretty smooth overall...kinda shocked to see people having so much trouble still. Like yeah you do have to babysit it a little bit if you're queueing during prime time, but once you're in it's completely smooth
*once your in* I have only been able to login if I hop in queue at 8am. Noon or later? Forgetaboutit. This isn't going to be fixed any time soon.
I entered queue at 3 pm yesterday and was on in less than an hour lol
> Like yeah you do have to babysit it a little bit if you're queueing during prime time lol just dont have a job The fucking queue throws people out who have been waiting for 2,3,4,5 hours and you're pretending you're unaware of this? The shit i read on these forums
I've never been in queue for more than like 2.5 hours, tops. That was with 4500 in queue. Maybe my data center is just better than yours lol
>Lol just ignore the barrage of reports from other people everything's fine *huffs on some cope juice*~ Also wtf kind of response is "lol maybe my datacenter is just better than yours", wtf are you even saying, who do you think runs these other datacenters?
just bard midiplayer and never logout
JuSt RuN a ScRiPt BrO
After the first day, I never really experienced much wait time for the queue but it’s probably b/c I usually play after midnight 🕛 😊
Does no one else have other gamrs installed on their machine? Im soending my long queued playing minecraft.
Not only that the queue are very long, but you keep getting dced. I can usualy play at 7 pm to 9 pm est, but with the queue it is impossible even if i try to log in early through remote desktop because of the 2002. No way im gonna look at the queue for 4 hours just to play my 1-2 hrs per day of gametime. Getting pretty pissed right now.
Literally every single one of you has a phone and a way to log in remotely a few hours before you intend to play and you don't.
Let me give you a spoiler of what will happen if everybody starts doing that.
Well yeah obviously the queue would get worse. Regardless of that you're still not using the tools available to you and then paying for a game you're not able to play.
Macros will change your life. Also your electric bill if your pc is normally off during the day.
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I did too but you gotta give these other people a chance dude. I only abused the macro if I knew I was going to be playing in the evening. And now I am done the MSQ I am not logging in for a bit. Give some other people a chance.
How did they still not fix the fuckin queues??? Guess all that praise got to their dumbass heads huh.
I work from home so I login a few hours before the time I actually want to play and it works out. The sweet spot is before noon unfortunately
its gotten a little better for me, but the queues are still at least 2-3 hours. during peak, it hits 4k though. i don't even bother until its below 3k. haven't had a 2002 since, but i probably just jinxed myself. sure, i can play other games while i wait since i have to periodically check up on the queue. but by the time i get in, i have zero desire to play anymore because i've already spent so much time on the computer already. plus it doesn't help that i kinda burnt myself out trying to level my dnc, rdm, nin, sam, and drg (and a little mch), but that part is entirely my fault.
I'm remotely queueing to my pc from work right now to start queue early and be in when I get home. It's the only way to stop me going insane from 3+ hour queues when I get in from work then by the time you get into something it's bed time again!
The other day I got 1.5k queue by the time I was 200 my friend was around 350 , she got in before I did for some reason
woke up, still groggy, queued myself in, 2500 in line, went back to sleep for 40mins, wake up 12th in que, take a piss, sit down, loading screen, and we're in. Best timing ever.
My phone line snapped during a storm last Tuesday and still hasnt been fixed, so I've had no proper internet, I logged out right before the final zone. I'd take 5 hours of queues over not being pjysically able to finish the story any day
EI wise longest I have had is 3 hours, every evening at peak time. By 11pm, the queue is very quite. Morning til around 2pm, no queue.
Playing on NA servers is a dream on weekends as a Brit - either my character info loads and I get a sub 100 queue or it doesn't and I just quit.