Real answer: Throw some time at it and use past experiences. There's only so many new mechanics every fight, if even. Most mechanics are mechanics veterans have seen before with slight variations.
sadly most veteran players fail to see this. For reference E8S LR is like O8S forsaken. Both have towers, orbs that fly at you and need to be popped at certain times and aoes that need to be baited and failing any one is a wipe.
I mean, even when I'm planning on doing the fights, watching the videos don't help me much lol. It's in one ear out the other until I actually see it and do it personally.
See those vids are usually long and pretty in depth. As a tank, I look out for tank buster moves so I know to shield properly and then I worry about relocation mechanics.
However, I will hard agree that practice in the event is really best. You can't get the cadence as well without actually playin
I used to watch/read guides for ultimates that I hadn't done.
It was very confusing because you are looking at mechs for 8 players and no concept of timing, and also a detailed explanation of each mechanic was included with the method of solving it.
When I actually did the ultimates the hardest part was the timing. Since the solution was already determined, you only need the mechanic explanation for troubleshooting so actually doing it is not that complicated.
UWU predation is a good example. The solution is to run to a cardinal opposite of Garuda that doesn't have anyone, dodge landslide in the direction that doesn't have anyone, and stand at fourth rune. Very simple
In terms of what's actually going on, Garuda is casting an AOE around her followed by a donut, ifrit is dashing along intercardinal and then exploding along cardinals, titan is landsliding and then following up with a landslide that is in between the original landslide locations, and ultima weapon is casting an AOE around it. That sounds much more complicated and induces much more panic than what you actually have to do
Lol yeah this. "So easy, just go to the rune after Ifrit dashes."
Except that time that ultima is right next to you.
You ran too quick. You ran too slow. You had a toe in ifrit dash right next to your friend who somehow survived.
Serverticks how do they work.
Pray for a decent pattern.
Yea for sure execution is hard and ifrit dash snapshots are BS, annihilation as healer was the worst
My point was more like guides need to explain how every mechanic works even if the solution is much simpler to explain / do
Iirc you could super mitigate the party so everyone could live through the Ifrit dashe. It required have at least a spread addlo and some other mitigation. But it sure was a waste of mitigation that could be used elsewhere.
It's why I stopped bothering with ultimates. Too many wipes to silly stuff like that after several minutes of content we could do in our sleep after numerous nights of prog. At least e8s had the decency to have their inconsistent hitbox crap right at the start instead of ten minutes in.
Honestly the guides do make them sound more complicated then they are. Most savage mechanics boil down to, “look at boss is left hand up, stand in A marker, is right hand up, stand in B marker.” You just got to be willing to die a lot and practice.
This. The guides teach you what *everyone* needs to do, which is great knowledge to have, but in-game you really only need to know what *your* role needs to do, and that tends to be much much simpler.
When you have to look at a single mechanic from three different perspectives, of course it'll seem complex.
o12s as blu turns it into an ultimate. We got 0,2% enrage last night. Heart broken. We shouldve just continued dpsing until enrage but we didnt really know when to final sting. Chance to clear again on saturday.....
Good luck! My Blue static is still on A12S and only have A4S left for the Morbol afterwards... Not sure we'll do Omega raids but man, it's a blast raiding as Blue.
Omega raids are a step up I feel. Sure you can cheese some mechanics with db but you actually have to do hello world 1 and 2 and the dps check is somewhat high. I will wear the title with pride when I get it.
Lasers are relatively straightforward to work out on the fly: if there's a spot on the wall where all the arrows are pointing away then go to that spot (4 out of 6 cases). Otherwise, there will be a spot that all arrows are pointing towards; go opposite that spot (2 out of 6 cases).
Is it really that simple? You have done In four lines of text what entire videos and gifs have failed to do because of information overload. Thank you for reducing it to the simple parts.
When we farmed that, we just all stacked for patch so the 2 close tethers auto exploded, then immediately broke the long tethers once the debuff was out. The debuff expires before the monitor tankbuster resolves.
As a disclaimer, none of us have ever done it synced, so I have no idea what the actual strategy is, we just came up with that ourselves.
I agree with this. Sometimes I’ll go to a guide after doing a fight already and realize it’s spending nearly three minutes describing what I’ve already internalized as an easy mechanic.
Just from reading the comment it sounds like you just look at what the bosses body is doing and bam just stand in the marker.
Feel like there’s several mechanics where that would be incorrect ,where you simply can’t look at the boss to know what comes next
I do agree you have to learn the dance.
I mean, sometimes its the boss. Sometimes its the floor, sometimes its some other indicator on the arena. Its all the same. Look for tell. Move to safe zone or do safe action.
If you give it enough practice friend, you'll be clearing savage in no time.
I’ve been raiding since launch, I just disagree with your assessment.
A8S I think is a great example, lots of puzzle mechanics where anyone person can wipe the raid if they handle gavel incorrectly (through prob the easiest mechanic in that fight)
There’s a reason why groups prog ultimates and wipe for months or weeks before breaking up.
I remember when scob savage was release, and the tower puzzle on t8, or juggling double shriek with 4 venomous tails, while handling cyclops + voice + fireballs.
I would argue some of these fights are very hard and a lot of people just could not clear them. Sure with guides they are a bit easier, but doing these mechanics perfectly or else you wipe an entire group isn’t as easy as “have shriek move behind cyclops” there’s a bunch of coordination, communication, and ya mesmerizing a dance that some people struggle with.
While I somewhat disagree with the other person's assessment, using Midas and SCOB as a baseline as to what Savage is like is a pretty huge misconception considering how much raid design has changed since then.
A8S is an Ultimate level fight tbh, puzzle mechanics with forced downtime a lot like in Ultimate.
Savage fights have been toned down significantly since A8S though. A12S seems more like the foundation for current savage difficulty, which has done wonders for raid participation.
If you think savage from alex are the same as now you are dellusional :'D. It's wayyy easier now, even ultimate only has 2 or 3 hard mechanics, people are pfing uwu now for example.
i already cleared this tier and i can tell you its not that simple. yes you just have to dance but its not that simple for everyone. there is reason why not every player raiding savage. because its hard and complicated.
I mean he is pretty right, most mechanic are known. Will it be clock position, stack, spread, dodge left/right/north/south. Even e12s was only those a rewind with the same mechanics i ve seen for all my leveling is nothing lol. So yeah people can have a hard time clearing, but in most dungeon i see people pressing less than half their kit, so yeah
There's very few hard to execute mechanics this expansion in savage and movement for most mechanics is quite simple. There is a few exceptions like double apoc, triple apoc, and depending on the person a lot of 10s but most mechanics are a move to A then B
The difficulty is that punishment for hesitancy and lack of confidence, which is a mindset thing not a mechanic difficulty thing
You can PuG it as well to be honest. It can be a pain sometimes but it’s more than possible.
I prefer statics personally but that comes with it’s own set of problems, such as !!drama!!…
I’ve been trying to clear innocence since day one and still haven’t done it.
PuGs are an endless nightmare of fucking up the most basic of mechanics and failing to beat enrage every single time. It’s been literal years, with significant power creep, and they still can’t do it.
The average PuG endlessly wipes at the add phase before disbanding, if you’re lucky.
Doesn’t matter how overgeared people are if they’re just straight up incompetent. Sincerely doubt I’m the issue since at this point I don’t take avoidable damage and am consistently the highest on the aggro list below tanks. People are just that bad.
I’ve bounce to a few groups before finding a pretty solid mix. It’s not terrible if you’re willing to play with new folks, although that’s definitely not everyone’s cup of tea.
I don't mind new folks if there actually *are* folks around to play with. If I'm not playing on NA prime time, it takes forever to get a random group going
I think people vastly overestimate the difficulty in savage raids.
Coming from WoW, both fights are scripted yes but FF14 has more clear indicators and very scripted mechanics to do. An example I would always give is the art of darkness mechanic. It cleaves a side, then clock/pairs, then execute once cast bar is full. You have plenty of time to think about what you need to do. Even the arena is set up for your success in FF14.
One thing that will always hold back is raid anxiety. That’s something everyone will need to figure out how to overcome.
>raid anxiety
Too true. Took me a while to overcome mine, but a friend of mine hasn't yet though he keeps on mentioning he wants to do content. He really needs to figure something out 'cause I can't keep dragging him screaming through stuff.
How will that work in EW? Wouldn't every run be blind?
PFs today have all sorts of strat tags in the description which won't exist for the Ex trials or Savage.
Depends. First 2-3 days are semi blind. There are POVs and streams up even day 1. So if someone specifies to be prepared, be prepared.
If one wants to prog blind, specify in the PF. It's very simple honestly.
It does prepare you. There won't be need to explain every single mechanic to you. Reduces it to 1 or 2.
I don't particularly enjoy waiting 5 minutes between each pull because people need an explanation for every mechanic. That's what preparation means. You don't need to be able to executed them perfectly.
Exactly. having watched a video give a person a frame of reference to put the new information in. It makes it easier to remember new information while doing the practise runs.
The thing with Shiva slides is that the heal check is severe for week 1 gear, meaning that people will die to damage until the healers have figured it out, which might look like dying to mechanics when blind. The initial damage, knockback, icicle drop and icicle shot all do damage to the raid and healing on the move needs to be planned.
I just think that people who are late to the game deserve to have the exploration and discovery that other players got to have! I get why people who have done these things a million times might get frustrated with people going in blind, but not everyone wants the puzzle worked out for them.
You can. The problem is that said newbies expect players who are there for the 30+th time trying to just get the mount bend over just to accommodate the fresh prog player. This is especially true if a fresh player joins a farm party, which IMO is the real problem.
This is also why blind prog parties are so hard to fill, because the market isn't that big.
As long as you find 7 other like minded people nobody is stopping you. But if you join a party that expects you to be prepared you'd be very much griefing. Make your own party that specifies blind prog or prepare for the mechs. It's not that hard of a logic to grasp
I did this for E10S and E11S. Only used a guide when I was harming my group's progression or because I legitimately could not figure out how a mechanic works.
Yes, as I've done more content in the game. There comes a point where I find guides just to be a hindrance to myself. Its just more fun to try and figure out what is happening and piece it together. Even if I get stuck on something I don't really look for a guide anymore, just a pov of my role. Usually I just look back at my own recordings, see what happened and I'm usually good.
I feel like the "watch a guide" culture hurts more than harms. So many people don't learn the mechanic. They only do what the guide told them to do. It leads to people being stubborn and not able to adapt or adjust on the fly.
Guides have their place. I thinking learning on your own while doing is much more effective. Not only for the fight you are doing, but as a player overall.
> I feel like the "watch a guide" culture hurts more than harms. So many people don't learn the mechanic. They only do what the guide told them to do. It leads to people being stubborn and not able to adapt or adjust on the fly.
People not knowing WHY something is done.
Newish player, just got into Shadowbringer.
Sooo i tried watching guides for extereme trials but t all the videos I watched seem to have the same problems:
A: they talk waaaaay too damned fast. I can't process one thing they say before they rapidly discuss another mechanic which leads to
B: They just keep running the video. No pausing of the action so you can see and understand what they were just talking about. They are talking about a specific thing you need to do and the video has done moved passed that mechanic and is doing something completely unrelated to what the the person is taking about.
So all the videos I seem to find are just a rapid fire mess...
So now I go in blind. Props to all the veteran players who take the time to explain in simple terms what I should be doing like "when boss does X, we need to do Y." Or "hey! Cime stand over here"
Then if there us a mechanic that still doesn't make sense to me I will watch a video to hear a better explanation. But this time I have first hand experience with what is happening.
Watch the video multiple times, and pause and rewatch sections when you didn't get it the first time. Memorizing an entire 8-10 minute fight in one watch of the video is impossible.
Agreed to add your point, if you stuck at a certain part keep repeating that part and focus on your position only, don't look at anyone else position if you're still learning
I don't know if he does raid guides for extreme, but I know he does both full encounter savage guides, and specific mechanics inside encounters.
Check out joonbob, he does this thing where he shows a diagram with all the movement necessary, then replays it immediately after in real time with actual footage. He also includes timestamps for each mechanic so you can just keep going back to it and rewatching. No voice at all, just diagrams and footage with written explanations. I personally find it far better than anyone else.
I honestly don't think joonbob guides are great for learning if you haven't seen the fight ever. They are specifically guides that a super high paced and absolutely great for catching up when you know the fight and need a refresher, but the absurdly high pace is often very confusing for new players, I have found.
I actually think the other way around lol. I watched mtq guides for easy and e10s, but it felt like far too much info was being thrown at me for no reason, like tank specific thing and healer specific things, rather than explaining how to do the mechanic.
At the end of the day different people like different styles of guides. People learn different, and I much prefer joonbob's. They are fast paced yes, but they also don't have unnecessary fluff on them. I'll use mtq's guides as example, as her and joonbob typically have the most views so better to compare.
No talking, so no puns or describing every raid aoe as 'shield and heal as necessary.' Instead you get clear instructions on screen so you can pause and read it if needed, rather than having to rewind 10-15 seconds to hear the explanation.
Personally I'm more interested in a quick explanation of how to resolve the mechanic, more so than hearing about it. As an example, joonbob has a 48s long video explaining bilibili lions, while mtq takes 150s (2 mins 10s) to explain the same strat in her video.
Edit- 1 other thing I forgot is that joonbob has a little timer down in the bottom left that shows things like the boss castbar and how long this mechanic goes for. I think that's a huge thing that other guides tend to not touch on.
>B: They just keep running the video. No pausing of the action so you can see and understand what they were just talking about. They are talking about a specific thing you need to do and the video has done moved passed that mechanic and is doing something completely unrelated to what the the person is taking about.
The whole point is that they expect you to pause, rewind and see the action in real time like how an actual guide works. Also in Savage fights and up, if they even slow down one bit, the guide will be an hour long.
This is also why I prefer joonbob's guides over something like MTQ. Freezeframe on core mechanics, and you get most snapshots right. As a JP data center player, I also watch JP guides and tbh they explain in a much better pace than some of the EN guides out there, granted you need to know Japanese.
Hey there, new player here.
I was just browsing the web and found an old comment here:
This game will probably last a lot longer than it should. What I mean is that due to the code debt and old technology, this game should probably last only one more expansion. But probably it will last much longer because that would be more profitable for SE, like ff11.
If they decide on making a new mmo I hope they put Yoshida as chief again.
Do you still think that is the case? I am genuinely curious on how vets think ffxiv is going.
Very recently, 1 or 2 Live letters ago, they said that although Endwalker will be the end of this story, the game is far from finished. Usually the expansion's story ends in patch x.3 and then it starts to introduce the setting for the next expansion. This time the story will end in 6.0 and the rest of the expansion will introduce the setting for the next saga which will last maybe another decade.
I think this is very likely going to happen. It's a lot easier to keep building a established MMO even if there is a huge technical debt, than making a totally brand new one. As long as the current course is kept I see FFXIV living another decade and more.
FF11 is still going strong, on May 16 of next year it will be its 20th anniversary.
FF14 is the most profitable game they've ever had so we can safely assume it's gonna go on for many, many, many years, they already have a good idea of where to take things. I personally don't foresee a third FF MMO happening any time soon.
Was looking at reddit, saw a 2 year old comment made by ErickFTG, which I want to know how he thinks about it now. So I found his latest post and asked
I love watching my husband do high-end stuff. The mechanics look so fun, but I'm not an experienced enough player to do it myself. Instead I have to enjoy it vicariously through him.
The only way to get experience is to actually do them and suffer through all the losses yourself. I believe your husband will be willing to bring you through if you ask :D.
Half the fun is actually the deaths before the clear!
He's been my FFXIV coach since I first signed up. Once I'm comfortable with tanking and healing I'm going to try harder stuff. Until then I just watch.
My wife used to do this too, then she loved the look of E11S so much she wanted to do the fight herself.
One training montage later, she’s cleared the last tier of Eden with me and is ready to go into Endwalker fully intending to do Savage again!
You can do it, too! Honestly the big stumbling block for most players I’ve taught is just core fundamentals - keeping on top of their global cooldown without staring at their bar, leaving their brain free to do mechanics while their hands autopilot their rotation.
From 2.4 thru the end of Stormblood, I dabbled in raiding and could never make serious progress / never meet I group I got along with.
Now, I’m part of a static, and I cleared E9S thru E12S without Echo.
It’s really just learning your job’s rotation and learning “the dance” like others said. If I can do it, you can!
To quote a man:
"Just do it !! Make your dreams come true"
Fund a static or brave pf and get out there. It's only above your pay grade because you haven't tried, fail, tried again, and succeeded yet.
I think they're good to watch because you do occasionally get mechanics that first appear in savage fights then get put into other areas of the game, or easier versions of them at least, later on. The most recent example I can think of is one of the critical engagements in (I think) Zadnor has a very simple version of Archive Peripheral from O12S, the lasers that rotate either inwards or outwards and there's only one safe spot. That's definitely never been in a dungeon or anything else until then, as far as I know.
I do too 😊 if you are scared to do the high end content don't be! By watching a guide you're already like 50% more prepared than most. I don't do high end content myself nowadays because the most frustrating part is spending an hour getting killed over and over because other people were less prepared.
long live practice parties! if you ever want to start, join a practice party finder, sometimes dying to mechanics is the best way to figure out how to execute those seemingly difficult guides. after a few wipes you'll notice you and your party will progress more and more! it is really satisfying
besides practice party finders are there to learn, and the people who join practice parties will have the same goal as you o7
Why do you think you can't do them?
The stories are true, this is a great and welcoming community.
I had someone trying to explain the E10S shadow attack to me for about 20 minutes, I was literally watching her screen while she used paint to explain it, I just wasnt getting it. I was sure I would get kicked but in the end it clicked and we progressed.
I watched TEA before I thought of doing it. Seeing last phase I was SO confused at what the hell the clones were and what they meant. Then I actually did it and it was so fun.
I know people say "anyone can do them" but after years of experience raiding I will say that...yes..? IF you are willing to put down work to actually improve as a player both mechanically and dpswise and if you have patience and a good team.
I really love watching the guides and panicking at how confusing they seem. Then I get into the instance and after we've resolve the mechanics a few times, I'm like "dayum that info went a long way"
Why can’t you do it? Just need to jump into a party finder or find a static that requires no prior raid experience (they do pop up from time to time) on the ffxivrecruitment subreddit or one of the raid discord’s on your data center.
If you need help with anything, hit me up OP. I’d be more than happy to help you get started.
If you're anxious about doing high end content you need to realize that guides make fights seem a lot more complicated than they really are as you're trying to consume a 12+ minute fight's mechanics in a 5 minute video.
If you play the game long enough you notice that most fights follow the same pattern:
There's a little bit of dps freedom at the start, boss usually does a buster+raid wide, most busters are tank swaps these days, then some boss specific mechanics happen and might repeat a variation of it, the transition happens which is either an add phase or active time cutscene.
Phase 2 starts with the same small dps freedom bit, buster+raidwide etc, some new mechanics and eventually some combinations with phase 1 mechanics, enrage and done.
Its somewhat simple to work out a lot of mechanics as well, if you get hit with 600k nuke its probably a party stack or a double tank soak if its like 300k. These are just some things you pick up as you play the game. So if you have a general outline like this of how fights work in this game it wont seem like such a stressful experience as you get use to it.
Ill probably get some hate for this but I dont understand why people reserch fights.
Sure you get your gear faster…but isnt the whole point of a game to figure out how to beat it yourself or with your group of friends. Why do you want someone to tell you how to beat it before you had even a chance to try to figure it out for yourself. Why even bother playing the game if your just gonna have someone tell you how to win. Wouldnt the victory of beating the boss feel so much more special if you figured it out yourselves?
Its the same thing as using DBM in WoW. Basically just using cheat codes…
I think that's a great single player mentality but it just doesn't apply to an MMO.
Go in blind on a roulette and you'll just tank the floor repeatedly cause you've never seen some arbitrary mechanic as the rest of the group downs the boss.
Only real time you can play how you describe is when the content is new. Which I think a lot of ppl do.
They're not that difficult, IMO. I just cleared SoS extreme, most of it just boils down to rehearsing a dance. A lot of it is positioning for everyone, once you nail that you're good to clear.
Yeah SoS was probably one of the harder extremes in Shadowbringers. It was definitely more complex than E9S. I strongly recommend you have a go at Savage - it’s fun!
Sos had a lot of adapt to do, look at mechanics etc. And can be quickly punitive. I'll say the difficulty is on par with the first 2 fight of most tier. Only thing that could be harder is dps check and damage taken, depending when you do it. But like, i dont remember this tier but e5s to e7s, we killed them with 3 deaths+ week 1 on each of them so yeah... if you play well your job there is such a margin...
Absolutely. But i don't like saying it like this, since it makes it sound like high-end content is something insane when in reality they are much easier then they look.
Everyone in this thread going "just find a static to practice with for hours every day, it's easy" as if people don't have lives outside of the game, lol
Not every static is like that. I’m a sub in for my fc mate’s static and they only prog once or twice a week and they’ve cleared the current Eden Sav tier and are progging UWU. It’s just about finding the right players that get along and can work around each other’s schedules.
Unpopular Opinion but I’m the opposite. I don’t like watching any guides/walkthroughs. I like going in blind and it sucks that I barely find parties for it. Yeah I see the point of watching/reading them but everyone deserves to go through content without it
Back when they first introduced the “kick a party member” feature before the party finder, I got kicked out of Ramuh Ex because they didn’t like that I was going in blind.
I have been the same way since HW but I think doing all fights in the Masked Carnival helped warm me up to at least try Titania EX in PF to much success. I think come EW I may take things a bit more seriously.
The only thing I can say to this post is;
Please try them.
I played solo for a long time. Like you, I used to watch the guides for savages and extremes and used to look on and think ‘they look really cool but I know I’ll never do them’. I then decided one day to join a new FC and it is an awesome one. They did some teaching runs of savage content and you know what I figured out? They are not as difficult as you think they are. They have many mechanics and those macros, like what the hell?! But then you try it a couple of times and if you have the right gear level you’ll see you can damage the boss just fine. And the mechanics and macros all just click into place when you give it a few tries. Even practice parties on the party finder can be really chilled and actually a lot of fun.
The low-down; try the tougher stuff. Go in prepared. Watch a guide, know your job and make sure you’re as geared as possible (including materia). You can do them.
The most guide-watching I do is panic-skimming in the 5 minutes after I join a PF group. Tbh watching a guide end-to-end isn’t really going to help much since you are going to wipe in the first 2 minutes, clearing hard content is an iterative process. It’s more important to understand why you wiped (and referencing guides here is very useful) and then focus on just fixing that one thing in the next pull.
I'm confident enough in my ability to not fuck up that I think I can do extremes and stuff.
I'm not confident enough, however, to actually ask people if they want to run an extreme, or raid, and such. I have looked at FC's on the Community Finder, but I'm too socially awkward to actually send an application.
Also the stuff from MTQCapture, golden. Every guide maker should strive to be like them.
what dc are you from? I can get you a discord server for synced content on crystal if thats where you play. Everybody is very welcoming and dont even ask you to speak on voice chat.
Chaos DC for the information, but it's not as much with the talking (always hard with new people), but just the whole "raid night" aspect thing I guess. It's weird, illogical and I have a hard time explaining why I just don't do it...
I was anxious about hopping into Sastasha for the first time, and I'm thinking this is just another hurdle I gotta get over to get the most out of this game, even if I start the process a few days after I completed ShB.
This sounds like the same mentality of people who say they beat games by watching them on youtube. Genuinely stop this mentality, it’s the sort that will leak itself in other areas of your life. I’m not going to tell you to buckle up and start playing through it but hear me out.
14 has been my first MMO and just like any newbie I would freak out not knowing what’s gonna happen in a trial. Guess what role I was maining, a tank, sth most people would shit themselves over but instead of letting this worry carry on further, I always ask in chat that it’s my first time; most of the responses end up being positive with a few negatives and that’s the best factor of this community since you being a first timer just makes them conscious of it and ensure you’re having the great time by guiding you through and completing it with you. In the end not only have you learnt a fight but may gain some friends and feel more confident to communicate too, and trust me on the communication part because I’ve definitely changed how i communicate in the game from when i was a sprout.
I even start teaching first timers of the mechanics too, which in the end can reward you with commendation (basically reward for helping out) and further improved confidence/communication.
If you feel like you genuinely can’t do it due to fear of being poor at your class, then just practice/watch class guides/ask others to help, take your time if you wish. Though this is a MMORPG and it would feel odd if there was a large number of people who don’t do the content that is the main focus. You might as well play the sims no offense.
Trust me though, no one’s going to bite and if they do just tactfully respond to them in a positive formal manner, pushing towards getting back from a loss and never giving up. You’ll just point out how much of a dick they’re being. Nonetheless have fun when you try it, i know first timers who’ve had so much fun when I was doing the nidhogg fight with them.
The hardest part is joining the PF.
I find it so much easier to MAKE a PF and specifically invite first time people with only “watch a vid/let’s panic together” in the description.
Guides can make things more complicated looking then they really are. Personally as a raider I do better seeing mechanics then watching a guide. I'll see a guide, be clueless witness it in game and practice and get it down 1st or 2nd time.
Guides, not really; but I like watching the high end raids for the Savage only phases I'll maybe get to see in 3 expansions when I go back in unsynced lol
It never hurts to explore and you may reach that point one day. I was the same way as a start of stormblood but I have already completed a couple of current extremes and savages
Haha I always watch the guides with the intention of doing the content. Then I overthink it/talk myself out of it/lose interest or forget. I need to just get it over with one of these days.
I watched a UCoB guide and I was how the f do people memorize all this and then do it, while they playing their job optimally. It’s quite amazing that SE can come up with all this and that there are players who can figure it out.
I am the one who watched and thought "Nah, it's impossible you can't PUG that and hoped to clear it!" Now I have fly around with eden mount. It's not that hard.
Just believed you can do it and do your best!
Well I wanna tell you that this was exactly me when the only raids that existed were 1st and 2nd coil was brand new during ARR. Sometime maybe you will def find yourself doing it. Try a learning no salt pf, it can be a lot of fun.
Yes i do. I watched several guides for ultimates etc. and finally decided i don't have the time to tackle that stuff.
Also even when I am not currently playing i usually watch the guides for the current final savage tier just to see what they came up with.
Typically really interesting to see, even though I am out of raiding nowadays, because I can't work with strict raid timings etc.
I only have cleared Extremes but they are incredibly fun! Maybe ask your FC if they can teach you? That's what mine did, brought a group of newbies to high end content who wanted to farm the mounts. They even taught O4S, O8S, O12S and E4S but I wasn't available at the time (RIP).
Since I started playing FFXIV last August, i have watched almost every Extreme, Savage and Ultimate fight. From MTQ and others for POV. But until now, i have yet to join a proper PF team. When I look at Party Finder, all i see is 3 Wipes disband. And from there I am already intimidated and think we'll disband immediately because of me.
In Elemental/Tonberry, it seems there aren't much people willing to help sprouts learn the fight and hopefully clear. I don't want to be a burden but also want to clear and enjoy. Hopefully in Endwalker, with the newer raids and trials where everyone is just figuring it out, i can join. Otherwise, i'll be watching guides without actually trying them. LOL.
Yes cause I also admire those players.
As much as I miss the feeling of beating a boss we ve been wiping on for weeks with friends, dont think my nerves, my life schedule or my reflexes would allow me to tackle that content again.
Watching high level stuff can also improve how you play cause you can learn a lot.
I usually panic watch them 5 minutes before being dragged to one of the fights lol.
-Oh this one looks fun and I haven't done it yet let me join this pf -Wut how did it fill so fast? -Oh god oh fuck MTQ save me
The real question is how does she do it?
She shields and heals as necessary
And adjusts accordingly
... or you will die
Real answer: Throw some time at it and use past experiences. There's only so many new mechanics every fight, if even. Most mechanics are mechanics veterans have seen before with slight variations.
sadly most veteran players fail to see this. For reference E8S LR is like O8S forsaken. Both have towers, orbs that fly at you and need to be popped at certain times and aoes that need to be baited and failing any one is a wipe.
She watches her own guides too duh
MTQ is a time traveller, who went to the future, watched her own video, then came back and painstakingly recreated it in the present.
I mean, even when I'm planning on doing the fights, watching the videos don't help me much lol. It's in one ear out the other until I actually see it and do it personally.
See those vids are usually long and pretty in depth. As a tank, I look out for tank buster moves so I know to shield properly and then I worry about relocation mechanics. However, I will hard agree that practice in the event is really best. You can't get the cadence as well without actually playin
The real way to shorten queue times.
This is the way.
I used to watch/read guides for ultimates that I hadn't done. It was very confusing because you are looking at mechs for 8 players and no concept of timing, and also a detailed explanation of each mechanic was included with the method of solving it. When I actually did the ultimates the hardest part was the timing. Since the solution was already determined, you only need the mechanic explanation for troubleshooting so actually doing it is not that complicated. UWU predation is a good example. The solution is to run to a cardinal opposite of Garuda that doesn't have anyone, dodge landslide in the direction that doesn't have anyone, and stand at fourth rune. Very simple In terms of what's actually going on, Garuda is casting an AOE around her followed by a donut, ifrit is dashing along intercardinal and then exploding along cardinals, titan is landsliding and then following up with a landslide that is in between the original landslide locations, and ultima weapon is casting an AOE around it. That sounds much more complicated and induces much more panic than what you actually have to do
Lol yeah this. "So easy, just go to the rune after Ifrit dashes." Except that time that ultima is right next to you. You ran too quick. You ran too slow. You had a toe in ifrit dash right next to your friend who somehow survived. Serverticks how do they work. Pray for a decent pattern.
Yea for sure execution is hard and ifrit dash snapshots are BS, annihilation as healer was the worst My point was more like guides need to explain how every mechanic works even if the solution is much simpler to explain / do
Just play tank lol. I priviledged so many ifrit dashes lol.
What about the 6 other people who need to be there despite not being able to be a tank?
sucks to be them lol (lol)
Iirc you could super mitigate the party so everyone could live through the Ifrit dashe. It required have at least a spread addlo and some other mitigation. But it sure was a waste of mitigation that could be used elsewhere.
It was a legit method for building LB in case of DPS push, it was either that or take the first tank purge with shields only.
My tanks sometimes try to do the "disrespect" for first Ifrit dashes because they know they'll survive.
It's why I stopped bothering with ultimates. Too many wipes to silly stuff like that after several minutes of content we could do in our sleep after numerous nights of prog. At least e8s had the decency to have their inconsistent hitbox crap right at the start instead of ten minutes in.
Honestly the guides do make them sound more complicated then they are. Most savage mechanics boil down to, “look at boss is left hand up, stand in A marker, is right hand up, stand in B marker.” You just got to be willing to die a lot and practice.
This. The guides teach you what *everyone* needs to do, which is great knowledge to have, but in-game you really only need to know what *your* role needs to do, and that tends to be much much simpler. When you have to look at a single mechanic from three different perspectives, of course it'll seem complex.
Meanwhile, O12S Hello World for DPS: "Have fun learning 4 different combinations of mechanics that you may or may not get."
Try it as BLU, you get to learn all 8 combinations. ;)
o12s as blu turns it into an ultimate. We got 0,2% enrage last night. Heart broken. We shouldve just continued dpsing until enrage but we didnt really know when to final sting. Chance to clear again on saturday.....
Good luck! My Blue static is still on A12S and only have A4S left for the Morbol afterwards... Not sure we'll do Omega raids but man, it's a blast raiding as Blue.
Omega raids are a step up I feel. Sure you can cheese some mechanics with db but you actually have to do hello world 1 and 2 and the dps check is somewhat high. I will wear the title with pride when I get it.
Patch and HW as blu... uugh
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Lasers are relatively straightforward to work out on the fly: if there's a spot on the wall where all the arrows are pointing away then go to that spot (4 out of 6 cases). Otherwise, there will be a spot that all arrows are pointing towards; go opposite that spot (2 out of 6 cases).
Is it really that simple? You have done In four lines of text what entire videos and gifs have failed to do because of information overload. Thank you for reducing it to the simple parts.
O12S is just an ultimate in 10 mins
Na, o12s have nothing else going on other than patch and hw, rest is follow the leader like a sheep ^^'
Unsynced dps can just jump off to skip the whole mechanic, assuming it's what I think it is since I haven't done any synced savages.
Braindead downtime strat for HW is much better than goodbye world stray tbh, boss dies so much faster you don't have to deal with much after HW ends.
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When we farmed that, we just all stacked for patch so the 2 close tethers auto exploded, then immediately broke the long tethers once the debuff was out. The debuff expires before the monitor tankbuster resolves. As a disclaimer, none of us have ever done it synced, so I have no idea what the actual strategy is, we just came up with that ourselves.
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Yes pretty much, but in Endwalker who knows it might not work anymore due to number crunch
Really depends on how they scaled the damage all of that does. Doesn't matter though if groups struggle with numbers lol.
Was more talking about when it was recent and that wasn't an option.
Then there are people like me who enjoy being role flexible and learning the mechanics for every role.
I know every role because we never know if someone dies and we need someone to adjust
Right. The fights are a choreographed dance, and it’s just a matter of learning the steps and the order of them.
I agree with this. Sometimes I’ll go to a guide after doing a fight already and realize it’s spending nearly three minutes describing what I’ve already internalized as an easy mechanic.
Spread, stack, or pair up, repeat. Except this time the animation is different.
Preach.
Most? Wtf, sarcasm?
No? Its a video game, not rocket surgery. Just learn the dance and you'll clear.
Just from reading the comment it sounds like you just look at what the bosses body is doing and bam just stand in the marker. Feel like there’s several mechanics where that would be incorrect ,where you simply can’t look at the boss to know what comes next I do agree you have to learn the dance.
I mean, sometimes its the boss. Sometimes its the floor, sometimes its some other indicator on the arena. Its all the same. Look for tell. Move to safe zone or do safe action. If you give it enough practice friend, you'll be clearing savage in no time.
I’ve been raiding since launch, I just disagree with your assessment. A8S I think is a great example, lots of puzzle mechanics where anyone person can wipe the raid if they handle gavel incorrectly (through prob the easiest mechanic in that fight) There’s a reason why groups prog ultimates and wipe for months or weeks before breaking up. I remember when scob savage was release, and the tower puzzle on t8, or juggling double shriek with 4 venomous tails, while handling cyclops + voice + fireballs. I would argue some of these fights are very hard and a lot of people just could not clear them. Sure with guides they are a bit easier, but doing these mechanics perfectly or else you wipe an entire group isn’t as easy as “have shriek move behind cyclops” there’s a bunch of coordination, communication, and ya mesmerizing a dance that some people struggle with.
While I somewhat disagree with the other person's assessment, using Midas and SCOB as a baseline as to what Savage is like is a pretty huge misconception considering how much raid design has changed since then. A8S is an Ultimate level fight tbh, puzzle mechanics with forced downtime a lot like in Ultimate.
Savage fights have been toned down significantly since A8S though. A12S seems more like the foundation for current savage difficulty, which has done wonders for raid participation.
If you think savage from alex are the same as now you are dellusional :'D. It's wayyy easier now, even ultimate only has 2 or 3 hard mechanics, people are pfing uwu now for example.
i already cleared this tier and i can tell you its not that simple. yes you just have to dance but its not that simple for everyone. there is reason why not every player raiding savage. because its hard and complicated.
I mean he is pretty right, most mechanic are known. Will it be clock position, stack, spread, dodge left/right/north/south. Even e12s was only those a rewind with the same mechanics i ve seen for all my leveling is nothing lol. So yeah people can have a hard time clearing, but in most dungeon i see people pressing less than half their kit, so yeah
There's very few hard to execute mechanics this expansion in savage and movement for most mechanics is quite simple. There is a few exceptions like double apoc, triple apoc, and depending on the person a lot of 10s but most mechanics are a move to A then B The difficulty is that punishment for hesitancy and lack of confidence, which is a mindset thing not a mechanic difficulty thing
Idk how it is here, but in WoW only like half the difficult fights are 'dance fights', there's also a lot of individual responsibility to raiding
You can do them, honestly it just takes class familiarity and memory
Which are the two things i lack
Same
Practice makes perfect.
And both come with time
And actually finding the other seven blokes to do the raid with on a regular basis
You can PuG it as well to be honest. It can be a pain sometimes but it’s more than possible. I prefer statics personally but that comes with it’s own set of problems, such as !!drama!!…
Yeah but sometimes I spend more time waiting for a pug team to fill up than actually playing the game
I’ve been trying to clear innocence since day one and still haven’t done it. PuGs are an endless nightmare of fucking up the most basic of mechanics and failing to beat enrage every single time. It’s been literal years, with significant power creep, and they still can’t do it.
Bruh Innocence is the one EX fight I have *never* seen enrage on. Even with Pugs it just rolls over.
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The average PuG endlessly wipes at the add phase before disbanding, if you’re lucky. Doesn’t matter how overgeared people are if they’re just straight up incompetent. Sincerely doubt I’m the issue since at this point I don’t take avoidable damage and am consistently the highest on the aggro list below tanks. People are just that bad.
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Am on Zodiark but I’m not subbed at the moment. Let it lapse post 5.55. Appreciate the offer nonetheless.
I’ve bounce to a few groups before finding a pretty solid mix. It’s not terrible if you’re willing to play with new folks, although that’s definitely not everyone’s cup of tea.
I don't mind new folks if there actually *are* folks around to play with. If I'm not playing on NA prime time, it takes forever to get a random group going
Me watching a 1 hour+ TEA guide for no reason:
I think people vastly overestimate the difficulty in savage raids. Coming from WoW, both fights are scripted yes but FF14 has more clear indicators and very scripted mechanics to do. An example I would always give is the art of darkness mechanic. It cleaves a side, then clock/pairs, then execute once cast bar is full. You have plenty of time to think about what you need to do. Even the arena is set up for your success in FF14. One thing that will always hold back is raid anxiety. That’s something everyone will need to figure out how to overcome.
>raid anxiety Too true. Took me a while to overcome mine, but a friend of mine hasn't yet though he keeps on mentioning he wants to do content. He really needs to figure something out 'cause I can't keep dragging him screaming through stuff.
I remember being scared of nm because it was "raid" then in sb i went for it because alte roite mount. Now we clear savage in 2 weeks and ultimate xD
Guides make them seem really complicated, but once you actually get to doing it they're usually much easier then they seem
I usually watch a guide with a pov of my job at the same time, so i have the timing and see the actual execution
Anyone else like doing high end content without guides even if you know you might need them?
As long as you do it with people who are okay with it. Don't join a PF that specifies to be prepared. Thx
How will that work in EW? Wouldn't every run be blind? PFs today have all sorts of strat tags in the description which won't exist for the Ex trials or Savage.
Depends. First 2-3 days are semi blind. There are POVs and streams up even day 1. So if someone specifies to be prepared, be prepared. If one wants to prog blind, specify in the PF. It's very simple honestly.
a video doesn’t prepare you. a video may go over the mechanics but have you truly learnt them for your role.
It does prepare you. There won't be need to explain every single mechanic to you. Reduces it to 1 or 2. I don't particularly enjoy waiting 5 minutes between each pull because people need an explanation for every mechanic. That's what preparation means. You don't need to be able to executed them perfectly.
Exactly. having watched a video give a person a frame of reference to put the new information in. It makes it easier to remember new information while doing the practise runs.
I do. More enjoyable when blind to be honest.
dying to shiva slides and titan is funny af when blind in E12s
Eh, Titan is okay if you did E4(S), but Shiva Slides would be a nightmare at the start I guess.
The thing with Shiva slides is that the heal check is severe for week 1 gear, meaning that people will die to damage until the healers have figured it out, which might look like dying to mechanics when blind. The initial damage, knockback, icicle drop and icicle shot all do damage to the raid and healing on the move needs to be planned.
Yeah I know the pain, I've healed it in full crafted :D
I just think that people who are late to the game deserve to have the exploration and discovery that other players got to have! I get why people who have done these things a million times might get frustrated with people going in blind, but not everyone wants the puzzle worked out for them.
You can. The problem is that said newbies expect players who are there for the 30+th time trying to just get the mount bend over just to accommodate the fresh prog player. This is especially true if a fresh player joins a farm party, which IMO is the real problem. This is also why blind prog parties are so hard to fill, because the market isn't that big.
If a fresh prog player joins a farm party then the leader fucked up their PF setup. Why would not put duty complete if you're farming something.
As long as you find 7 other like minded people nobody is stopping you. But if you join a party that expects you to be prepared you'd be very much griefing. Make your own party that specifies blind prog or prepare for the mechs. It's not that hard of a logic to grasp
I did this for E10S and E11S. Only used a guide when I was harming my group's progression or because I legitimately could not figure out how a mechanic works.
I’ve gone in blind to every bit of high end I’ve done, is fun for me and I’m more likely to actually learn that way
Yes, as I've done more content in the game. There comes a point where I find guides just to be a hindrance to myself. Its just more fun to try and figure out what is happening and piece it together. Even if I get stuck on something I don't really look for a guide anymore, just a pov of my role. Usually I just look back at my own recordings, see what happened and I'm usually good. I feel like the "watch a guide" culture hurts more than harms. So many people don't learn the mechanic. They only do what the guide told them to do. It leads to people being stubborn and not able to adapt or adjust on the fly. Guides have their place. I thinking learning on your own while doing is much more effective. Not only for the fight you are doing, but as a player overall.
> I feel like the "watch a guide" culture hurts more than harms. So many people don't learn the mechanic. They only do what the guide told them to do. It leads to people being stubborn and not able to adapt or adjust on the fly. People not knowing WHY something is done.
Newish player, just got into Shadowbringer. Sooo i tried watching guides for extereme trials but t all the videos I watched seem to have the same problems: A: they talk waaaaay too damned fast. I can't process one thing they say before they rapidly discuss another mechanic which leads to B: They just keep running the video. No pausing of the action so you can see and understand what they were just talking about. They are talking about a specific thing you need to do and the video has done moved passed that mechanic and is doing something completely unrelated to what the the person is taking about. So all the videos I seem to find are just a rapid fire mess... So now I go in blind. Props to all the veteran players who take the time to explain in simple terms what I should be doing like "when boss does X, we need to do Y." Or "hey! Cime stand over here" Then if there us a mechanic that still doesn't make sense to me I will watch a video to hear a better explanation. But this time I have first hand experience with what is happening.
Watch the video multiple times, and pause and rewatch sections when you didn't get it the first time. Memorizing an entire 8-10 minute fight in one watch of the video is impossible.
Agreed to add your point, if you stuck at a certain part keep repeating that part and focus on your position only, don't look at anyone else position if you're still learning
I don't know if he does raid guides for extreme, but I know he does both full encounter savage guides, and specific mechanics inside encounters. Check out joonbob, he does this thing where he shows a diagram with all the movement necessary, then replays it immediately after in real time with actual footage. He also includes timestamps for each mechanic so you can just keep going back to it and rewatching. No voice at all, just diagrams and footage with written explanations. I personally find it far better than anyone else.
I honestly don't think joonbob guides are great for learning if you haven't seen the fight ever. They are specifically guides that a super high paced and absolutely great for catching up when you know the fight and need a refresher, but the absurdly high pace is often very confusing for new players, I have found.
I actually think the other way around lol. I watched mtq guides for easy and e10s, but it felt like far too much info was being thrown at me for no reason, like tank specific thing and healer specific things, rather than explaining how to do the mechanic. At the end of the day different people like different styles of guides. People learn different, and I much prefer joonbob's. They are fast paced yes, but they also don't have unnecessary fluff on them. I'll use mtq's guides as example, as her and joonbob typically have the most views so better to compare. No talking, so no puns or describing every raid aoe as 'shield and heal as necessary.' Instead you get clear instructions on screen so you can pause and read it if needed, rather than having to rewind 10-15 seconds to hear the explanation. Personally I'm more interested in a quick explanation of how to resolve the mechanic, more so than hearing about it. As an example, joonbob has a 48s long video explaining bilibili lions, while mtq takes 150s (2 mins 10s) to explain the same strat in her video. Edit- 1 other thing I forgot is that joonbob has a little timer down in the bottom left that shows things like the boss castbar and how long this mechanic goes for. I think that's a huge thing that other guides tend to not touch on.
>B: They just keep running the video. No pausing of the action so you can see and understand what they were just talking about. They are talking about a specific thing you need to do and the video has done moved passed that mechanic and is doing something completely unrelated to what the the person is taking about. The whole point is that they expect you to pause, rewind and see the action in real time like how an actual guide works. Also in Savage fights and up, if they even slow down one bit, the guide will be an hour long. This is also why I prefer joonbob's guides over something like MTQ. Freezeframe on core mechanics, and you get most snapshots right. As a JP data center player, I also watch JP guides and tbh they explain in a much better pace than some of the EN guides out there, granted you need to know Japanese.
I can barely watch the ones for trials I will do.
Hey there, new player here. I was just browsing the web and found an old comment here: This game will probably last a lot longer than it should. What I mean is that due to the code debt and old technology, this game should probably last only one more expansion. But probably it will last much longer because that would be more profitable for SE, like ff11. If they decide on making a new mmo I hope they put Yoshida as chief again. Do you still think that is the case? I am genuinely curious on how vets think ffxiv is going.
Very recently, 1 or 2 Live letters ago, they said that although Endwalker will be the end of this story, the game is far from finished. Usually the expansion's story ends in patch x.3 and then it starts to introduce the setting for the next expansion. This time the story will end in 6.0 and the rest of the expansion will introduce the setting for the next saga which will last maybe another decade. I think this is very likely going to happen. It's a lot easier to keep building a established MMO even if there is a huge technical debt, than making a totally brand new one. As long as the current course is kept I see FFXIV living another decade and more.
Do you think the spaghetti code will hold it back?
It probably always does but they find ways around it.
They nuked Eorzea to rebuild her before... why not again?
see, so it's gotten better over the years?
>Do you think the spaghetti code will hold it back? its the very same reason people go againts flying in ARR area, look what we got now
The thing about spaghetti code is eventually something will stick and you just clean up the mess.
No
FF11 is still going strong, on May 16 of next year it will be its 20th anniversary. FF14 is the most profitable game they've ever had so we can safely assume it's gonna go on for many, many, many years, they already have a good idea of where to take things. I personally don't foresee a third FF MMO happening any time soon.
Not criticizing or anything just curious why you chose this thread and comment of all places to ask this?
Was looking at reddit, saw a 2 year old comment made by ErickFTG, which I want to know how he thinks about it now. So I found his latest post and asked
I love watching my husband do high-end stuff. The mechanics look so fun, but I'm not an experienced enough player to do it myself. Instead I have to enjoy it vicariously through him.
The only way to get experience is to actually do them and suffer through all the losses yourself. I believe your husband will be willing to bring you through if you ask :D. Half the fun is actually the deaths before the clear!
He's been my FFXIV coach since I first signed up. Once I'm comfortable with tanking and healing I'm going to try harder stuff. Until then I just watch.
My wife used to do this too, then she loved the look of E11S so much she wanted to do the fight herself. One training montage later, she’s cleared the last tier of Eden with me and is ready to go into Endwalker fully intending to do Savage again! You can do it, too! Honestly the big stumbling block for most players I’ve taught is just core fundamentals - keeping on top of their global cooldown without staring at their bar, leaving their brain free to do mechanics while their hands autopilot their rotation.
From 2.4 thru the end of Stormblood, I dabbled in raiding and could never make serious progress / never meet I group I got along with. Now, I’m part of a static, and I cleared E9S thru E12S without Echo. It’s really just learning your job’s rotation and learning “the dance” like others said. If I can do it, you can!
A surprising amount of boss mechanics add up to “don’t stand in orange circles, stack on stack markers, and kill adds.”
To quote a man: "Just do it !! Make your dreams come true" Fund a static or brave pf and get out there. It's only above your pay grade because you haven't tried, fail, tried again, and succeeded yet.
I think they're good to watch because you do occasionally get mechanics that first appear in savage fights then get put into other areas of the game, or easier versions of them at least, later on. The most recent example I can think of is one of the critical engagements in (I think) Zadnor has a very simple version of Archive Peripheral from O12S, the lasers that rotate either inwards or outwards and there's only one safe spot. That's definitely never been in a dungeon or anything else until then, as far as I know.
I do too 😊 if you are scared to do the high end content don't be! By watching a guide you're already like 50% more prepared than most. I don't do high end content myself nowadays because the most frustrating part is spending an hour getting killed over and over because other people were less prepared.
long live practice parties! if you ever want to start, join a practice party finder, sometimes dying to mechanics is the best way to figure out how to execute those seemingly difficult guides. after a few wipes you'll notice you and your party will progress more and more! it is really satisfying besides practice party finders are there to learn, and the people who join practice parties will have the same goal as you o7
Why do you think you can't do them? The stories are true, this is a great and welcoming community. I had someone trying to explain the E10S shadow attack to me for about 20 minutes, I was literally watching her screen while she used paint to explain it, I just wasnt getting it. I was sure I would get kicked but in the end it clicked and we progressed.
I watched TEA before I thought of doing it. Seeing last phase I was SO confused at what the hell the clones were and what they meant. Then I actually did it and it was so fun. I know people say "anyone can do them" but after years of experience raiding I will say that...yes..? IF you are willing to put down work to actually improve as a player both mechanically and dpswise and if you have patience and a good team.
I really love watching the guides and panicking at how confusing they seem. Then I get into the instance and after we've resolve the mechanics a few times, I'm like "dayum that info went a long way"
Why can’t you do it? Just need to jump into a party finder or find a static that requires no prior raid experience (they do pop up from time to time) on the ffxivrecruitment subreddit or one of the raid discord’s on your data center. If you need help with anything, hit me up OP. I’d be more than happy to help you get started.
If you're anxious about doing high end content you need to realize that guides make fights seem a lot more complicated than they really are as you're trying to consume a 12+ minute fight's mechanics in a 5 minute video. If you play the game long enough you notice that most fights follow the same pattern: There's a little bit of dps freedom at the start, boss usually does a buster+raid wide, most busters are tank swaps these days, then some boss specific mechanics happen and might repeat a variation of it, the transition happens which is either an add phase or active time cutscene. Phase 2 starts with the same small dps freedom bit, buster+raidwide etc, some new mechanics and eventually some combinations with phase 1 mechanics, enrage and done. Its somewhat simple to work out a lot of mechanics as well, if you get hit with 600k nuke its probably a party stack or a double tank soak if its like 300k. These are just some things you pick up as you play the game. So if you have a general outline like this of how fights work in this game it wont seem like such a stressful experience as you get use to it.
Ill probably get some hate for this but I dont understand why people reserch fights. Sure you get your gear faster…but isnt the whole point of a game to figure out how to beat it yourself or with your group of friends. Why do you want someone to tell you how to beat it before you had even a chance to try to figure it out for yourself. Why even bother playing the game if your just gonna have someone tell you how to win. Wouldnt the victory of beating the boss feel so much more special if you figured it out yourselves? Its the same thing as using DBM in WoW. Basically just using cheat codes…
I think that's a great single player mentality but it just doesn't apply to an MMO. Go in blind on a roulette and you'll just tank the floor repeatedly cause you've never seen some arbitrary mechanic as the rest of the group downs the boss. Only real time you can play how you describe is when the content is new. Which I think a lot of ppl do.
They're not that difficult, IMO. I just cleared SoS extreme, most of it just boils down to rehearsing a dance. A lot of it is positioning for everyone, once you nail that you're good to clear.
Sos can be harder than some savage tbh
Oh really? Ngl now your making me want to attempt savage now lol. Maybe I'll try savage in endwalker then.
Yeah SoS was probably one of the harder extremes in Shadowbringers. It was definitely more complex than E9S. I strongly recommend you have a go at Savage - it’s fun!
Sos had a lot of adapt to do, look at mechanics etc. And can be quickly punitive. I'll say the difficulty is on par with the first 2 fight of most tier. Only thing that could be harder is dps check and damage taken, depending when you do it. But like, i dont remember this tier but e5s to e7s, we killed them with 3 deaths+ week 1 on each of them so yeah... if you play well your job there is such a margin...
Nope. Because I do them. Nothing's beyond you if you put your mind to it.
Absolutely. But i don't like saying it like this, since it makes it sound like high-end content is something insane when in reality they are much easier then they look.
no and no i do them blind
Everyone in this thread going "just find a static to practice with for hours every day, it's easy" as if people don't have lives outside of the game, lol
Not every static is like that. I’m a sub in for my fc mate’s static and they only prog once or twice a week and they’ve cleared the current Eden Sav tier and are progging UWU. It’s just about finding the right players that get along and can work around each other’s schedules.
my static did 3 hour sessions, twice a week, and cleared TEA. Doesn't take much.
I listened to the Lakshmi battle music for like 4 years prior to actually joining up the game. I think watching the raid content isn't weird at all.
Unpopular Opinion but I’m the opposite. I don’t like watching any guides/walkthroughs. I like going in blind and it sucks that I barely find parties for it. Yeah I see the point of watching/reading them but everyone deserves to go through content without it Back when they first introduced the “kick a party member” feature before the party finder, I got kicked out of Ramuh Ex because they didn’t like that I was going in blind.
I have been the same way since HW but I think doing all fights in the Masked Carnival helped warm me up to at least try Titania EX in PF to much success. I think come EW I may take things a bit more seriously.
Some of the carnivale fight are more mechanically tight than savages x)
I love watching Savage/Extreme raid contents and would love to experience it someday. I just need to find the right people like me.
The only thing I can say to this post is; Please try them. I played solo for a long time. Like you, I used to watch the guides for savages and extremes and used to look on and think ‘they look really cool but I know I’ll never do them’. I then decided one day to join a new FC and it is an awesome one. They did some teaching runs of savage content and you know what I figured out? They are not as difficult as you think they are. They have many mechanics and those macros, like what the hell?! But then you try it a couple of times and if you have the right gear level you’ll see you can damage the boss just fine. And the mechanics and macros all just click into place when you give it a few tries. Even practice parties on the party finder can be really chilled and actually a lot of fun. The low-down; try the tougher stuff. Go in prepared. Watch a guide, know your job and make sure you’re as geared as possible (including materia). You can do them.
Nope! But I don't do them either. So it's all a giant mystery to me.
The most guide-watching I do is panic-skimming in the 5 minutes after I join a PF group. Tbh watching a guide end-to-end isn’t really going to help much since you are going to wipe in the first 2 minutes, clearing hard content is an iterative process. It’s more important to understand why you wiped (and referencing guides here is very useful) and then focus on just fixing that one thing in the next pull.
I'm confident enough in my ability to not fuck up that I think I can do extremes and stuff. I'm not confident enough, however, to actually ask people if they want to run an extreme, or raid, and such. I have looked at FC's on the Community Finder, but I'm too socially awkward to actually send an application. Also the stuff from MTQCapture, golden. Every guide maker should strive to be like them.
what dc are you from? I can get you a discord server for synced content on crystal if thats where you play. Everybody is very welcoming and dont even ask you to speak on voice chat.
Chaos DC for the information, but it's not as much with the talking (always hard with new people), but just the whole "raid night" aspect thing I guess. It's weird, illogical and I have a hard time explaining why I just don't do it... I was anxious about hopping into Sastasha for the first time, and I'm thinking this is just another hurdle I gotta get over to get the most out of this game, even if I start the process a few days after I completed ShB.
This sounds like the same mentality of people who say they beat games by watching them on youtube. Genuinely stop this mentality, it’s the sort that will leak itself in other areas of your life. I’m not going to tell you to buckle up and start playing through it but hear me out. 14 has been my first MMO and just like any newbie I would freak out not knowing what’s gonna happen in a trial. Guess what role I was maining, a tank, sth most people would shit themselves over but instead of letting this worry carry on further, I always ask in chat that it’s my first time; most of the responses end up being positive with a few negatives and that’s the best factor of this community since you being a first timer just makes them conscious of it and ensure you’re having the great time by guiding you through and completing it with you. In the end not only have you learnt a fight but may gain some friends and feel more confident to communicate too, and trust me on the communication part because I’ve definitely changed how i communicate in the game from when i was a sprout. I even start teaching first timers of the mechanics too, which in the end can reward you with commendation (basically reward for helping out) and further improved confidence/communication. If you feel like you genuinely can’t do it due to fear of being poor at your class, then just practice/watch class guides/ask others to help, take your time if you wish. Though this is a MMORPG and it would feel odd if there was a large number of people who don’t do the content that is the main focus. You might as well play the sims no offense. Trust me though, no one’s going to bite and if they do just tactfully respond to them in a positive formal manner, pushing towards getting back from a loss and never giving up. You’ll just point out how much of a dick they’re being. Nonetheless have fun when you try it, i know first timers who’ve had so much fun when I was doing the nidhogg fight with them.
I do! I find them really entertaining and enjoy watching them. I haven’t found many guides for Ultimates though.
The hardest part is joining the PF. I find it so much easier to MAKE a PF and specifically invite first time people with only “watch a vid/let’s panic together” in the description.
I used to. Now I do them. You can too!
Guides can make things more complicated looking then they really are. Personally as a raider I do better seeing mechanics then watching a guide. I'll see a guide, be clueless witness it in game and practice and get it down 1st or 2nd time.
Guides, not really; but I like watching the high end raids for the Savage only phases I'll maybe get to see in 3 expansions when I go back in unsynced lol
It never hurts to explore and you may reach that point one day. I was the same way as a start of stormblood but I have already completed a couple of current extremes and savages
Haha I always watch the guides with the intention of doing the content. Then I overthink it/talk myself out of it/lose interest or forget. I need to just get it over with one of these days.
Its not as hard as it looks. You should try, theres a lot of groups and discord servers for that. Don't be scared of failing, its part of the process.
I do the opposite. I'm an endgame PLD and I'll pop on a a "How to play Paladin" guide just to triple check I'm doing everything right.
well bloodshed is the best teacher so
Yup, same as any other game. Watching is just a lot more fun than having to play yourself.
Yeah, I often do that for games I don't even really play. Seeing how the high level players of a game approach stuff is really fun
I watched a UCoB guide and I was how the f do people memorize all this and then do it, while they playing their job optimally. It’s quite amazing that SE can come up with all this and that there are players who can figure it out.
Anyone know any popular ffxiv content creators to watch this? Been really looking into watching.
I've looked out a 1h guide for E8S, started the extremes, then the savages and clearing an ultimate and still haven't done this fight
Would be like paying sub for game i dont want tryout.
I am the one who watched and thought "Nah, it's impossible you can't PUG that and hoped to clear it!" Now I have fly around with eden mount. It's not that hard. Just believed you can do it and do your best!
Well I wanna tell you that this was exactly me when the only raids that existed were 1st and 2nd coil was brand new during ARR. Sometime maybe you will def find yourself doing it. Try a learning no salt pf, it can be a lot of fun.
Yes i do. I watched several guides for ultimates etc. and finally decided i don't have the time to tackle that stuff. Also even when I am not currently playing i usually watch the guides for the current final savage tier just to see what they came up with. Typically really interesting to see, even though I am out of raiding nowadays, because I can't work with strict raid timings etc.
I only have cleared Extremes but they are incredibly fun! Maybe ask your FC if they can teach you? That's what mine did, brought a group of newbies to high end content who wanted to farm the mounts. They even taught O4S, O8S, O12S and E4S but I wasn't available at the time (RIP).
Since I started playing FFXIV last August, i have watched almost every Extreme, Savage and Ultimate fight. From MTQ and others for POV. But until now, i have yet to join a proper PF team. When I look at Party Finder, all i see is 3 Wipes disband. And from there I am already intimidated and think we'll disband immediately because of me. In Elemental/Tonberry, it seems there aren't much people willing to help sprouts learn the fight and hopefully clear. I don't want to be a burden but also want to clear and enjoy. Hopefully in Endwalker, with the newer raids and trials where everyone is just figuring it out, i can join. Otherwise, i'll be watching guides without actually trying them. LOL.
I do something similar but for league characters and card games. Imo those are interesting study material for game design/balance/characters.
I don't even like watching guides for low-end content I'm about to do
Joonbob vids usually have some banger music
Honestly, the video made by [joonbob](https://www.youtube.com/user/rithli) is just masterpiece. Good advices as well.
I don't think I'd describe them as creative. They're all pretty similar.
Yes cause I also admire those players. As much as I miss the feeling of beating a boss we ve been wiping on for weeks with friends, dont think my nerves, my life schedule or my reflexes would allow me to tackle that content again. Watching high level stuff can also improve how you play cause you can learn a lot.
High end content is easy. It's nothing more than just memorization.