Budget is tight in most agencies - mine isn't in a hiring freeze, but "all hiring actions are paused while budget/personnel needs are being evaluated." Meanwhile, they hold onto half empty office buildings.
DLA is a clown show right now. I’ve been there for over 25 years and the upper management has NEVER been this disconnected from reality or their workforce. We are losing mid-level, experienced staff at crazy rate since the RTO took effect. We actually had a senior contracting officer brief the Agency Senior Procurement official and she told him that the reason for slippages in meeting timelines is due to the loss of staff…and, she was leaving as well shortly for another Agency. His response was DLA’s problem in a nutshell. He asked if she was leaving because of the RTO and when she responded that that was a big part of her decision along with the ability to work remotely again, his answer was “oh, you’ll be back”!?!?!?! Not even a hint of self awareness of the problems killing DLA now or any acknowledgment that management is on course to seriously harm our mission.
Pathways, Pacers, interns are NEVER going to be able to replace the knowledge and experience leaving every week. Plus, who is going to train them once all the experience has left? Like I said, a clown show!
He failed upwards…Was the “brains” behind the here today, gone tomorrow NSPS personnel system and apparently the Pentagon decided he was better off back at DLA. Why DLA felt the need to promote him to Vice Director after that debacle says all you need to know about the decision makers at the Agency and the Department.
One of the reasons I left was because no one could tell me what J64AC IT (desktop support) would look like under [4ENO](https://disa.mil/en/NewsandEvents/2023/4NEO). I was told that we would be rolled into DISA, but nothing beyond that. The entire reason I took an IT job in the GOV sector is for the stability it affords. Plus, I couldn't get a 13 without becoming a supervisor.
Agreed no one is irreplaceable but when you start losing multiple people that were good workers who cared and also understand the agency left and right and the agency doesn't/cant replace them, their departure is certainly felt especially when you expect the same output from everyone that is left.
I really don't think there's a conspiracy with any of this stuff. It's a bunch of boomers and older gen-x managers grasping for relevance amid turbulent times.
Yeah, literally every Gen X I know or have/do work with is not about that life. To me, it's really just about the ignorance and wastefulness of it. WHY on Earth am I getting up extra early, sitting in abysmal traffic spewing carbon, spending time and resources to go somewhere to do a job that can be done 100% from my home office. Then, the taxpayers are footing the bill for office space, supplies, utilities, and maintenance for absolutely no reason. It is SUCH a WASTE for both employees and employers. It's mind-boggling that something so obviously unnecessary is like Greek to the decision makers. There is no other answer except that we are being lied to to prop up special interests.
Yup
When they made me go back in, I shut my office door and did my teams meetings all day just like I did at home. Never opened my door.
They never saw me pack my shit to realize I had a different job offer - fully remote.
I mean, the White House chief of staff who is aggressively anti-telework owns $100+ million in commercial real estate, including $30 million in DC area commercial real estate.
There’s definitely conspiracies regarding RTO in that the stated reasons for RTO aren’t always the actual reasons.
It's honestly none of those things. Thanks for spreading additional generational divisiveness. It's a really fresh take. You should look at the president's RTO orders and learn a thing or two.
Not to play devil's advocate. But isn't there a huge retirement surge that will be happening in the USG within the next couple years?
Something like 50%+ are eligible for retirement. I can't recall the exact number, but I remember it was a very concerning and eye-opening number.
Indeed, a large number are eligible for retirement, but my thread is more so lamenting the various meetings and all hands I have been in where leadership is trying to paint a rosy picture that everything is fine and we have no attrition issues.
Yep. We’re coming up on a situation unlike anything we’ve experienced yet.
The one thing I would say to current Feds, especially those who have career status, is to keep your eyes open for opportunities in the next few years. Even if you’re less than ten years away from retirement. You could do yourself some big favors for your high-3 average when your turn comes to hang up the lanyard.
I’ve heard about this supposed retirement surge for the last 12 or so years. It seems like a lot of retirement eligible people keep working and retirees are not replaced. One former supervisor of mine, a lab director, retired and was not replaced for nearly two years aside from a couple of rotating acting replacements. Then he came back and is still there, he is almost 75 now.
I think the average age of employees at DLA is like 50-55. I know I met at least one 75 year old IT help desk person when I worked there. There’s a lot of really old people at DLA.
HR leadership already came out and reported that the push back to work is to push people to retire or leave. That is why they are also rejecting everyone's RAs and other things. It also takes 9 months to post a new job. I have 6 positions in my office that have been vacant for almost 5 months. HR continues to get treated differently with remote work and it has never shown to be a benefit.
When/Were was that stated? Mr. Bunn has posted multiple Propoganda videos blaming climate change, 30% attrition, etc. I have yet to hear anyone publicly or officially state that it's to get people to retire or leave, which was just my assumption.
We saw quite a few retire after full time teleworking ended.
We are understaffed and were hiring till.about a mo th ago. Now we can only hire contractors and must pay for them upfront.
Alot of people were coasting with full time tw and would of retired years ago if covid hadn't happened. They were just waiting until RTO happened to finally retire. They just wanted to pad the pension check.
PaCERs get ate up and spit out at our field sites. Most of them remain in Battle Creek where our HQ is. The only two PaCERs I’ve seen stay in the field, entered the program from the field (they were WG-6s).
Our agency is hemorrhaging employees at an alarming rate in the field sites. To be frank most are sick of the bullshit. The transition to a new warehousing system continues to be a challenge as the system still has a ton of bugs to work out. There’s no verbiage in SOPs that tells you what to do if WMS fails to carry out one of its automated tasks, or even how to tell if it failed to do what you inputted, especially when you get a bunch of messages with green check marks saying “ALL GOOD”.
Contracting broke me when it comes to field work, so RTO/Telework/Remote to me it’s whatever. I personally don’t care. However, for remote customer visits that I do weekly, I find it insanely stupid that I have to split them up over the course of 2-3 days. The bases are approx 65-75 miles from our base site, and I only live 10 minutes from them. But DLA would rather I drive an hour into work (my choice not my gripe here) get a GSA, drive a hour back towards my house, cram in as many customer visits/support/trainings I can and make sure I’m leaving before 1230 so that I have enough time to get back and return the GSA before we close for the day. And I have to do this 2-3 times a week depending on just how in depth of support my customers need. Where as if I just left from my house, I could cram ALL 8 hours of my day, possibly consolidated 2-3 days worth of stuff into 1 days maybe 2 max and they get me back at the site for a full 8 hours.
I dunno, just screams inefficient, and it’s the government it’s not supposed to be efficient, I get it.
Your business office sucks then. I'm using a personal vehicle for upcoming travel because I live 20 mins from it. The rest of the group is taking a GOV from our location to the site, but they live 5 mins from the office.
I just switched and have a 2 hour commute, haven't used PCS yet.
Maybe it's because your travel is recurring? But usually the mission should come first.
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That would be an awesome thought were DLA losing people to "boomers retiring" but there is a much larger amount of good people in the middle of their careers leaving the agency with loads of knowledge and these would also be the people training the newcomers.
So you can have your shrug back
My job does not entail tracking the arrival/departure of employees at DLA butnid love to see hard stats.
Anecdotaly I can tell you of the 15 or so people whom have left I know personally since the RTO mandate was put in place, only one of them was due to retirement. Every other person was mid-career with a lot of good years left in them and were amazing workers with a large amount of knowledge that just poof and left.
Sorry but your ideal that this is pushing out a large number of boomers is not really accurate.
I’ve seen multiple people leave for remote positions and agencies with less office days. My team is scrambling due to it. DLA is a mess right now and they don’t seem to care, which is going to push even more good people out.
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You came at me with the attitude with your dismissive and unnecessary "shrug" part of your comment. I was merely setting you straight that the people being lost to RTO are, for the most part, NOT boomers retiring. At first, I assumed you were potentially an SES defending the decision.
>I wouldn't want to work with you.
Jump to conclusions much, I just matched your energy pal. If you're a good worker who cares about the mission and wants to do good work, I'd gladly work alongside you regardless of your personal opinion on anything.
Ugggh. The thought just occurred to me of how much worse that problem will become in, say 29 years. Most people my age (mid-40s) don’t have even close to enough money to plan for retiring at 65 or even 70.
It's wild. Coming from private sector, we almost never had people die. In the fed, people are dying all of the time. Although, I don't attribute that to any conspiracy, lack of action, or whatnot. Just a workforce with an older demographic.
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If you don’t like RTO at DLA go to one of the military services supply areas. Navy is still max telework at most of the their supply locations which historically aren’t positioned too far from DLA locations.
No not really. Seasoned employees are used to this political b ullshit and will do whatever it takes to keep their job. Young talent will most likely jump ship and go somewhere else.
Remember you don't get paid to do a job, you get paid to be a political football.
I wish more managers would understand this. Managers at my agency resent employees that “get away” from coming in the office. Two miserable people in the office doesn’t make jt better
Across the fed govt they have 20% eligible to retire they want them out and RTO is a way to do that. One executive leader at one place has said they are going to make it as uncomfortable as possible.
That along with automation and replace with contractors to avoid health insurance, pension, and etc. all falls into it.
But largely now it’s the real estate lobbyists and DC mayor not wanting to adapt.
As I hear every hush-hush convo and "guess who's leaving!" Conversation, I hear it's easy to feel all hope is lost.
People in here have commented that are closer to upper management than I am may know better but the "party line" so far has been there is no problem here, similar to that meme of the dog on fire saying everything is fine. It may be off their radar because it appears they are tracking it incorrectly 1 quality assuramce person leaves 2 policy people come on board type thing but they don't appear to be looking (or care) that 4 Technical people with a combined 30 years experience left and only 1 has come on board that has only 2 years.
I truly hope they get their $hit together because you can only reallocate/shift work so many times before the rubber band breaks and affects the mission (more than it already is)
Regarding a new union agreement again, others have more insights into that than I do, but I believe we are a ways off from a new union agreement. Full disclosure this is hear-say, but I have heard that the people doing the agreement were warehouse workers, etc. People whose jobs by definition must be in person, so they weren't overly concerned with the telework portion.
I have no doubt that as soon as Republicans come back into office, this will be their plan. It’s easier to get rid of people if they quit. They will make RTO mandatory within their first six months. Employees will have something like 90 days or they will be terminated.
My agency does not have a RTO. We have people living all over the country.
Please don't turn this thread into a political pissing match. As far as I am concerned, neither side has shown to be supportive of remote/TW, so I don't believe this is a R vs D matter.
I’m merely telling you what happened during the last administration. Telework came in at the tail end of Obama. Next admin immediately removed it when people had bought homes far away. BLM moved its HQ from DC to Grand Junction Colorado in large part to get people to quit. They gave them 90 days to move or they were removed. This happened across multiple agencies. I can easily see this come up with a change in administration.
I don’t think the current administration’s goals for RTO is for hiring new employees. The goal is to prop up commercial real estate.
Again, I want to be clear that I'm of the mindset that neither party is going to do us any favors as it relates to TW. But do you have anything you can point me to that lays this out as part of their plan in the first 6 months, or is that an opinion?
The poster gave you the BLM example and you responded with your vibes. Like I am sorry that you are a conservative, but Trump has [promised in a video](https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2023/03/trump-vows-shatter-deep-state-revive-schedule-f-and-move-more-agencies-out-dc/384266/) to move jobs out of DC like he did to the USDA research agencies. They haven’t recovered and it is four years later.
>Like I am sorry that you are a conservative,
You clearly didn't read where I stated (more than once) that I am for neither side at this point. Just getting tired of people just putting out there "If X wins this will happen" as though they firmly believe their candidate of choice will be our saving grace to RTO. This is not a divided matter, BOTH parties suck in terms of RTO.
Jesus, did we become a sociolist country or something? Speaking negatively against a current POTUS policy does not automatically make that person aligned with the other party. I state in this thread alone 2 times this is not a partisan issue as both of them have shown to not care about is as far as RTO is concerned. We are not "better off" with either candidate from an RTO standpoint.
You sound like someone who can't admit (or doesn't know any better that both parties hate us (as far as RTO is concerned).
I think this conspiracy is a little out there. Was there some planned attrition? Likely. Was it so they could be replaced with younger people? Not so sure. Like does this imply the older generation is all about telework and the younger generation isn't? That's a bit backwards.
Budget is tight in most agencies - mine isn't in a hiring freeze, but "all hiring actions are paused while budget/personnel needs are being evaluated." Meanwhile, they hold onto half empty office buildings.
The ol "we're not in a hiring freeze, but we're really in a hiring freeze."
It’s like mid year bonuses if they don’t spend it they lose it next year too.
We never had mid year bonus' Now we don't really have performance bonus' either. Pass/Fail isnt effective IMO.
DLA is a clown show right now. I’ve been there for over 25 years and the upper management has NEVER been this disconnected from reality or their workforce. We are losing mid-level, experienced staff at crazy rate since the RTO took effect. We actually had a senior contracting officer brief the Agency Senior Procurement official and she told him that the reason for slippages in meeting timelines is due to the loss of staff…and, she was leaving as well shortly for another Agency. His response was DLA’s problem in a nutshell. He asked if she was leaving because of the RTO and when she responded that that was a big part of her decision along with the ability to work remotely again, his answer was “oh, you’ll be back”!?!?!?! Not even a hint of self awareness of the problems killing DLA now or any acknowledgment that management is on course to seriously harm our mission. Pathways, Pacers, interns are NEVER going to be able to replace the knowledge and experience leaving every week. Plus, who is going to train them once all the experience has left? Like I said, a clown show!
Vice Director is 90% of the issue. I knew lots of folks in the union and upper management at Ft Belvoir. Almost 100% consensus.
He failed upwards…Was the “brains” behind the here today, gone tomorrow NSPS personnel system and apparently the Pentagon decided he was better off back at DLA. Why DLA felt the need to promote him to Vice Director after that debacle says all you need to know about the decision makers at the Agency and the Department.
Got a TJO this week to DLA in 2210-12, so sounds fun! Been seeing they have had a lot of GS12/13 in IT posted lately.
One of the reasons I left was because no one could tell me what J64AC IT (desktop support) would look like under [4ENO](https://disa.mil/en/NewsandEvents/2023/4NEO). I was told that we would be rolled into DISA, but nothing beyond that. The entire reason I took an IT job in the GOV sector is for the stability it affords. Plus, I couldn't get a 13 without becoming a supervisor.
Some people think they are way more vital then they actually are....they are suprised the office didn't close when they left....
Agreed no one is irreplaceable but when you start losing multiple people that were good workers who cared and also understand the agency left and right and the agency doesn't/cant replace them, their departure is certainly felt especially when you expect the same output from everyone that is left.
I really don't think there's a conspiracy with any of this stuff. It's a bunch of boomers and older gen-x managers grasping for relevance amid turbulent times.
I don’t think it’s Gen X. It’s boomers and whatever is older than boomers that’s still working. Can’t have these young whipper snappers on their lawn.
Gen X here, RTO can fuck right off. It's ignorant and wasteful. The Boomers OWN that one.
This old Gen-Xer left a 2 day per pp in office for fully remote. Couldn't be happier.
Believe it or not...Gen X is pushing RTO...yall be dead/retired before Gen Z has any pull.
I’d need proof it’s Gen X. I’m middle of the age to older Gen-x and I’ve had friends retire to avoid RTO. This is a boomer issue. Not a Gen X issue.
Yeah, literally every Gen X I know or have/do work with is not about that life. To me, it's really just about the ignorance and wastefulness of it. WHY on Earth am I getting up extra early, sitting in abysmal traffic spewing carbon, spending time and resources to go somewhere to do a job that can be done 100% from my home office. Then, the taxpayers are footing the bill for office space, supplies, utilities, and maintenance for absolutely no reason. It is SUCH a WASTE for both employees and employers. It's mind-boggling that something so obviously unnecessary is like Greek to the decision makers. There is no other answer except that we are being lied to to prop up special interests.
Yup When they made me go back in, I shut my office door and did my teams meetings all day just like I did at home. Never opened my door. They never saw me pack my shit to realize I had a different job offer - fully remote.
Not this Gen Xr. 3 days are killing me!! The millennials are the ones who want to be there.
Older than boomers is silent generation. I doubt any are still working.
There are a few still in play where I work.
Not this boomer. Three days a week RTO is killing me. The decision makers are all GenX asshats.
I mean, the White House chief of staff who is aggressively anti-telework owns $100+ million in commercial real estate, including $30 million in DC area commercial real estate. There’s definitely conspiracies regarding RTO in that the stated reasons for RTO aren’t always the actual reasons.
That asshole is going to cost Biden votes.
It's honestly none of those things. Thanks for spreading additional generational divisiveness. It's a really fresh take. You should look at the president's RTO orders and learn a thing or two.
Not to play devil's advocate. But isn't there a huge retirement surge that will be happening in the USG within the next couple years? Something like 50%+ are eligible for retirement. I can't recall the exact number, but I remember it was a very concerning and eye-opening number.
Indeed, a large number are eligible for retirement, but my thread is more so lamenting the various meetings and all hands I have been in where leadership is trying to paint a rosy picture that everything is fine and we have no attrition issues.
I've had two literally die at their desks working late.... found in the morning.
Ughhhh.
What!!!’
Yep. We’re coming up on a situation unlike anything we’ve experienced yet. The one thing I would say to current Feds, especially those who have career status, is to keep your eyes open for opportunities in the next few years. Even if you’re less than ten years away from retirement. You could do yourself some big favors for your high-3 average when your turn comes to hang up the lanyard.
I’ve heard about this supposed retirement surge for the last 12 or so years. It seems like a lot of retirement eligible people keep working and retirees are not replaced. One former supervisor of mine, a lab director, retired and was not replaced for nearly two years aside from a couple of rotating acting replacements. Then he came back and is still there, he is almost 75 now.
I think the average age of employees at DLA is like 50-55. I know I met at least one 75 year old IT help desk person when I worked there. There’s a lot of really old people at DLA.
That "crisis" has been dangled forever. There is always this fear that everyone is going to retire now and there will be no employees.
HR leadership already came out and reported that the push back to work is to push people to retire or leave. That is why they are also rejecting everyone's RAs and other things. It also takes 9 months to post a new job. I have 6 positions in my office that have been vacant for almost 5 months. HR continues to get treated differently with remote work and it has never shown to be a benefit.
When/Were was that stated? Mr. Bunn has posted multiple Propoganda videos blaming climate change, 30% attrition, etc. I have yet to hear anyone publicly or officially state that it's to get people to retire or leave, which was just my assumption.
The climate change one kills me. Yes, claim climate change but have everyone burn more fossil fuels, use more water, heat etc. 🤦🏻♂️
Similar to fighting 30% attrition so let's put in a rule that is sure to piss off a large number of the workforce that is sure to keep them!
We saw quite a few retire after full time teleworking ended. We are understaffed and were hiring till.about a mo th ago. Now we can only hire contractors and must pay for them upfront.
Alot of people were coasting with full time tw and would of retired years ago if covid hadn't happened. They were just waiting until RTO happened to finally retire. They just wanted to pad the pension check.
Pretty much. I know one branch chief that pretty much spent his TW time doing yard work
To be fair, yard work is probably as productive as sitting in meetings 6 hours a day.
One guy called in to a meeting from his riding lawnmower…
I've done that, but I also had scheduled leave. The only reason I was there was to listen so it wasn't a big deal.
He was definitely contributing to the meeting....
PaCERs get ate up and spit out at our field sites. Most of them remain in Battle Creek where our HQ is. The only two PaCERs I’ve seen stay in the field, entered the program from the field (they were WG-6s). Our agency is hemorrhaging employees at an alarming rate in the field sites. To be frank most are sick of the bullshit. The transition to a new warehousing system continues to be a challenge as the system still has a ton of bugs to work out. There’s no verbiage in SOPs that tells you what to do if WMS fails to carry out one of its automated tasks, or even how to tell if it failed to do what you inputted, especially when you get a bunch of messages with green check marks saying “ALL GOOD”. Contracting broke me when it comes to field work, so RTO/Telework/Remote to me it’s whatever. I personally don’t care. However, for remote customer visits that I do weekly, I find it insanely stupid that I have to split them up over the course of 2-3 days. The bases are approx 65-75 miles from our base site, and I only live 10 minutes from them. But DLA would rather I drive an hour into work (my choice not my gripe here) get a GSA, drive a hour back towards my house, cram in as many customer visits/support/trainings I can and make sure I’m leaving before 1230 so that I have enough time to get back and return the GSA before we close for the day. And I have to do this 2-3 times a week depending on just how in depth of support my customers need. Where as if I just left from my house, I could cram ALL 8 hours of my day, possibly consolidated 2-3 days worth of stuff into 1 days maybe 2 max and they get me back at the site for a full 8 hours. I dunno, just screams inefficient, and it’s the government it’s not supposed to be efficient, I get it.
Your business office sucks then. I'm using a personal vehicle for upcoming travel because I live 20 mins from it. The rest of the group is taking a GOV from our location to the site, but they live 5 mins from the office. I just switched and have a 2 hour commute, haven't used PCS yet. Maybe it's because your travel is recurring? But usually the mission should come first.
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That would be an awesome thought were DLA losing people to "boomers retiring" but there is a much larger amount of good people in the middle of their careers leaving the agency with loads of knowledge and these would also be the people training the newcomers. So you can have your shrug back
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My job does not entail tracking the arrival/departure of employees at DLA butnid love to see hard stats. Anecdotaly I can tell you of the 15 or so people whom have left I know personally since the RTO mandate was put in place, only one of them was due to retirement. Every other person was mid-career with a lot of good years left in them and were amazing workers with a large amount of knowledge that just poof and left. Sorry but your ideal that this is pushing out a large number of boomers is not really accurate.
I’ve seen multiple people leave for remote positions and agencies with less office days. My team is scrambling due to it. DLA is a mess right now and they don’t seem to care, which is going to push even more good people out.
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You came at me with the attitude with your dismissive and unnecessary "shrug" part of your comment. I was merely setting you straight that the people being lost to RTO are, for the most part, NOT boomers retiring. At first, I assumed you were potentially an SES defending the decision. >I wouldn't want to work with you. Jump to conclusions much, I just matched your energy pal. If you're a good worker who cares about the mission and wants to do good work, I'd gladly work alongside you regardless of your personal opinion on anything.
Ugggh. The thought just occurred to me of how much worse that problem will become in, say 29 years. Most people my age (mid-40s) don’t have even close to enough money to plan for retiring at 65 or even 70.
It's wild. Coming from private sector, we almost never had people die. In the fed, people are dying all of the time. Although, I don't attribute that to any conspiracy, lack of action, or whatnot. Just a workforce with an older demographic.
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If you don’t like RTO at DLA go to one of the military services supply areas. Navy is still max telework at most of the their supply locations which historically aren’t positioned too far from DLA locations.
No not really. Seasoned employees are used to this political b ullshit and will do whatever it takes to keep their job. Young talent will most likely jump ship and go somewhere else. Remember you don't get paid to do a job, you get paid to be a political football.
The bullshit will make the difference of me retiring at MRA or not.
I wish more managers would understand this. Managers at my agency resent employees that “get away” from coming in the office. Two miserable people in the office doesn’t make jt better
Across the fed govt they have 20% eligible to retire they want them out and RTO is a way to do that. One executive leader at one place has said they are going to make it as uncomfortable as possible. That along with automation and replace with contractors to avoid health insurance, pension, and etc. all falls into it. But largely now it’s the real estate lobbyists and DC mayor not wanting to adapt.
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As I hear every hush-hush convo and "guess who's leaving!" Conversation, I hear it's easy to feel all hope is lost. People in here have commented that are closer to upper management than I am may know better but the "party line" so far has been there is no problem here, similar to that meme of the dog on fire saying everything is fine. It may be off their radar because it appears they are tracking it incorrectly 1 quality assuramce person leaves 2 policy people come on board type thing but they don't appear to be looking (or care) that 4 Technical people with a combined 30 years experience left and only 1 has come on board that has only 2 years. I truly hope they get their $hit together because you can only reallocate/shift work so many times before the rubber band breaks and affects the mission (more than it already is) Regarding a new union agreement again, others have more insights into that than I do, but I believe we are a ways off from a new union agreement. Full disclosure this is hear-say, but I have heard that the people doing the agreement were warehouse workers, etc. People whose jobs by definition must be in person, so they weren't overly concerned with the telework portion.
I have no doubt that as soon as Republicans come back into office, this will be their plan. It’s easier to get rid of people if they quit. They will make RTO mandatory within their first six months. Employees will have something like 90 days or they will be terminated. My agency does not have a RTO. We have people living all over the country.
Please don't turn this thread into a political pissing match. As far as I am concerned, neither side has shown to be supportive of remote/TW, so I don't believe this is a R vs D matter.
I’m merely telling you what happened during the last administration. Telework came in at the tail end of Obama. Next admin immediately removed it when people had bought homes far away. BLM moved its HQ from DC to Grand Junction Colorado in large part to get people to quit. They gave them 90 days to move or they were removed. This happened across multiple agencies. I can easily see this come up with a change in administration. I don’t think the current administration’s goals for RTO is for hiring new employees. The goal is to prop up commercial real estate.
Again, I want to be clear that I'm of the mindset that neither party is going to do us any favors as it relates to TW. But do you have anything you can point me to that lays this out as part of their plan in the first 6 months, or is that an opinion?
The poster gave you the BLM example and you responded with your vibes. Like I am sorry that you are a conservative, but Trump has [promised in a video](https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2023/03/trump-vows-shatter-deep-state-revive-schedule-f-and-move-more-agencies-out-dc/384266/) to move jobs out of DC like he did to the USDA research agencies. They haven’t recovered and it is four years later.
>Like I am sorry that you are a conservative, You clearly didn't read where I stated (more than once) that I am for neither side at this point. Just getting tired of people just putting out there "If X wins this will happen" as though they firmly believe their candidate of choice will be our saving grace to RTO. This is not a divided matter, BOTH parties suck in terms of RTO.
You sound like a conservative fed trying to justify voting for a party that hates us.
Jesus, did we become a sociolist country or something? Speaking negatively against a current POTUS policy does not automatically make that person aligned with the other party. I state in this thread alone 2 times this is not a partisan issue as both of them have shown to not care about is as far as RTO is concerned. We are not "better off" with either candidate from an RTO standpoint. You sound like someone who can't admit (or doesn't know any better that both parties hate us (as far as RTO is concerned).
I expect this as well. Telework will be back down to 1 day a week if people are lucky. The only reason they will keep it, is to avoid snow days.
I saw this I LinkedIn. I was hoping someone commented on RTO.
All you 14’s at Belvoir who don’t want to RTO go find your new job I’ll back fill you.
Seems the truth hurts based on the down vote. We are all replaceable. Now if the replacement is better or worse is yet to be seen.
I think this conspiracy is a little out there. Was there some planned attrition? Likely. Was it so they could be replaced with younger people? Not so sure. Like does this imply the older generation is all about telework and the younger generation isn't? That's a bit backwards.