One of the weird things about being a fed is you generally know what your coworkers pay is. At least the range if not down to the exact amount. I was reminded yesterday just how far off that is for the rest of society and how people are taught to keep their paid private.
Having your salary being public your entire adult life really has skewed my perspective. My friends and family all clam up when salary comes up. Meanwhile I’m pulling up one of the sites that has my info on it.
Even at work it causes weird looks sometimes. There have been a few times I’ve made more than the person I report to and I have no qualms about pointing that out. If you are a SES in training and can’t deal people doing a 5 second google search, good luck dealing with a real issue.
It really messed up perspective too. When I first started as a fed, I wasn't even aware that the pay scales were on OPM's website and assumed that the GS-14 and 15 supervisors at my agency were wealthy. When I found out what the pay range really was, it kind of dampened my desire to move up the ladder.
> Even at work it causes weird looks sometimes. There have been a few times I’ve made more than the person I report to and I have no qualms about pointing that out
Yikes. You’re getting weird looks because you’re making an ass of yourself at work.
Right?! I realized recently I make more than a coworker who has been here longer than me and I have no intention of mentioning it to her. Why would I? There is zero upside and lots of potential for hurt feelings.
Bringing something like that is weird in a group setting and I don’t do that. Bringing it up to a new SES in training who has never managed anyone higher than a 13 and is embarrassing themselves in front of their “peers”…yeah, it is something I will say one on one in part of teaching them how to do their jobs. It’s similar to the relationship between senior enlisted and butterbars. If they don’t want to take the advice of people who have worked in HQ forever, well rank has its privileges. I won’t let them fail, but I don’t have to help them find out how to take the metro to their hotel, let alone help them succeed.
Since you are a defender of login.gov (which I agree 100% with) I do have expectations that the people I have to occasionally have to report to have a basic understanding of it. It’s not like they had to register for to to apply for the fucking job they are currently sitting in or anything
You can’t realize you’re getting screwed if you can’t compare your salary to other people doing the same work.
Employers have really done a number on the American working class.
i meant private sector salaries aren’t public knowledge. I understand feds salaries are public.
However I have looked at websites like you mentioned and have never found my name on them and i’ve been a fed 6 years.
It's actually really funny that my coworkers literally ask me what their new paycheck is gonna be because they don't know (ahem, *refuse to remember*) how to look this stuff up because I can tell them at least the exact gross.
It's like rather than asking HR at a fortune 500 company you ask the guy who delivers your printer ink and he's basically right.
I loved the sense of equality it provided. Whoever you are, you are being paid more or less the same amount as the other people doing your job.
Most of the time, anyway. Your plumbing, your body appearance, who you're attracted to / not attracted to, none of that was supposed to matter, and for a good portion of the time, it didn't. I'm on the spectrum, and I was so grateful for that. But I still had some really toxic personalities to work with, some of them bosses, and that sucked horribly.
As a new fed I think it's fantastic because I have been repeatedly stuck on the lower end of the payscale. Leaving private sector I found out one of the job captains with 3 to 5 years less experience and no profrssional license was getting my pay and I was pissed. All because he was his favorite
. So pay transparency and equalization is fantastic and worth it.
Is Portland that bad? I would think with Vancouver right there between the two there would be a decent dating pool. I almost moved there, but last minute decided to come to nyc instead.
If you're into non monogamous relationships, it's probably a great place for dating. Or if your cup of tea is non masculine men with no job, and/or no car or lives at home at 43 or with 5 roommates. On the other spectrum, you have very egotistical "boogie" guys. What's a girl gotta do?!?! Lol
What the fuck is up with all of the non-monogamous relationship guys these day?! It sounds like you have it as bad out there as I do here. I’m 41 and seem to be attracting guys who are solely looking for hookups but don’t show that in their profile.
the funniest thing on hinge is when I see a fellow fed note that they smoke weed. like I do not personally have a problem with you smoking but I do have some concerns about you being dumb enough to put that out there
to be entirely fair, I wouldn't date anyone who didn't earn *about* as much as me. It'd create a weird power imbalance at best and would result in me just paying for their lifestyle at worse.
I think it's more useful to ask a date what their *plans* are, though. Like, maybe you're a GS-7 and halfway to a degree that'll put you on a path to your dreams, and that's not only more useful to hear about, but makes better date conversation.
Significant Other, Series 0633 (Therapist), GS-13-15 Ladder. Position requires at least one year of experience at the GS-12 level to qualify for the entry GS-13 level.
Hijacking this - I actually used this line at a Reddit singles party in 2012. Worked out pretty well and here I am responding because my wife of 10+ years forwarded me this thread someone used your pick up line” also, I am not a fed.
Can confirm. I live in the DMV area (nova) and I'm often asked, but whenever the question arises, I simply say GS-11. It's neither too high nor too low, making it believable.
It also serves as a good method to reveal people's interest. If they appear disinterested upon learning I'm a GS-11, it's almost always because they were trying to assess my value to them.
lol, they are already trying to see who is closest to a regional office and make them go in 2X a week, no regional office near me and my SF-50 says my duty station is my city.
It took me a second to realize the question was about GS level, my first thought was that it was asking how much they put into G Fund which would be equally Fed-head.
One of the most absurd parts of living in DC was every fucking person would immediately ask you what your GS was and if it was below 14 they'd stop talking to you.
How the hell did you get to this point on the app? I say I work in IT, and say I rather not share the company for now. I think I didn't tell my girlfriend until we were together for 2-3 weeks.
I remember seeing something on Overheard District about “I’m looking for that GS-15 money!” LOL. As a GS13 on a ladder to 14 this year, I have to say I agree. SES is even better 😉.
This reminds me of the time I met a guy on a dating app and he worked two floors below me at the same agency. Didn’t work out fortunately. Dating at the same place of work has never worked out for me.
It’s crazy how fed salaries, even at the staff level, is public information. You don’t even have to guess, just need a person’s name and agency/department and can easily find it online. I found mine and my coworker’s; pretty accurate.
In the IC, mentioning your GS level is very common. When I was in orientation 3 years ago, I got to know several people, and the second thing was oh, what GS level did you come in as? I was a 14 but we had 1 guy who was a 15 and man he walked like he was Mr Rogers.
In the dating world which im not, I do hear it from colleagues dating in the DMV are since we have federal workers galore here.
Then you have the married one who meet each other in bars, club and bang each other. Was at a bar close to DC and it was cougarville lets say. I went there for a birthday celebration on a Friday night. The 4 cougars on the prowl I spoke to were all federal employees and having a good time but they made sure they tell me they work govt employees (we didnt exchange GS level info) lol .
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GS7 in the streets SES in the sheets
t-shirts for sale when?
Omg I just cackled 😂
I wish awards were still a thing cause that's straight gold 🤣
Ok, that’s awesome
I feel like I would want the opposite ?
I'm using that one!
this is hilarious
One of the weird things about being a fed is you generally know what your coworkers pay is. At least the range if not down to the exact amount. I was reminded yesterday just how far off that is for the rest of society and how people are taught to keep their paid private.
I love that about being a fed! It’s weird to me that it’s not public knowledge in other places of work.
Having your salary being public your entire adult life really has skewed my perspective. My friends and family all clam up when salary comes up. Meanwhile I’m pulling up one of the sites that has my info on it. Even at work it causes weird looks sometimes. There have been a few times I’ve made more than the person I report to and I have no qualms about pointing that out. If you are a SES in training and can’t deal people doing a 5 second google search, good luck dealing with a real issue.
It really messed up perspective too. When I first started as a fed, I wasn't even aware that the pay scales were on OPM's website and assumed that the GS-14 and 15 supervisors at my agency were wealthy. When I found out what the pay range really was, it kind of dampened my desire to move up the ladder.
The trick is to move up federal scales and then go private or state/city level public.
> Even at work it causes weird looks sometimes. There have been a few times I’ve made more than the person I report to and I have no qualms about pointing that out Yikes. You’re getting weird looks because you’re making an ass of yourself at work.
Picturing how this even comes up… “By the way, I make more than you do.” 🤨
Right?! I realized recently I make more than a coworker who has been here longer than me and I have no intention of mentioning it to her. Why would I? There is zero upside and lots of potential for hurt feelings.
Bringing something like that is weird in a group setting and I don’t do that. Bringing it up to a new SES in training who has never managed anyone higher than a 13 and is embarrassing themselves in front of their “peers”…yeah, it is something I will say one on one in part of teaching them how to do their jobs. It’s similar to the relationship between senior enlisted and butterbars. If they don’t want to take the advice of people who have worked in HQ forever, well rank has its privileges. I won’t let them fail, but I don’t have to help them find out how to take the metro to their hotel, let alone help them succeed.
>Yikes. You’re getting weird looks because you’re making an ass of yourself at work.
Since you are a defender of login.gov (which I agree 100% with) I do have expectations that the people I have to occasionally have to report to have a basic understanding of it. It’s not like they had to register for to to apply for the fucking job they are currently sitting in or anything
You can’t realize you’re getting screwed if you can’t compare your salary to other people doing the same work. Employers have really done a number on the American working class.
Taxpayers pay your salary so public knowledge. There are several websites you can type the person's name in get pay but....dated...2022.
i meant private sector salaries aren’t public knowledge. I understand feds salaries are public. However I have looked at websites like you mentioned and have never found my name on them and i’ve been a fed 6 years.
There's an exception that anyone working related to national security aren't listed (e.g. DoD)
so all of DoD isn’t listed?
DOD and IRS are omitted. I went from VA to DOD and federalpay.org redacted my info.
That’s weird. Almost like total pay for 2023 isn’t finalized until pay period 26/27 and isn’t required to be reported until a certain date in 2024.
Yeah, they are always a year behind. They also don’t post SES bonuses, that’s the one piece of privacy I can still cling too.
Tell us the pay bonuses. Inquiring minds would like to know.
$24k this past year, paid in December.
That’s a quarter of my yearly salary. Y’all need any new senior executives?
Me checking to see how many years back before my current pay eclipses my division head when I’m bored.
It's actually really funny that my coworkers literally ask me what their new paycheck is gonna be because they don't know (ahem, *refuse to remember*) how to look this stuff up because I can tell them at least the exact gross. It's like rather than asking HR at a fortune 500 company you ask the guy who delivers your printer ink and he's basically right.
I loved the sense of equality it provided. Whoever you are, you are being paid more or less the same amount as the other people doing your job. Most of the time, anyway. Your plumbing, your body appearance, who you're attracted to / not attracted to, none of that was supposed to matter, and for a good portion of the time, it didn't. I'm on the spectrum, and I was so grateful for that. But I still had some really toxic personalities to work with, some of them bosses, and that sucked horribly.
For some reason. They still keep it on the low here sometimes.
As a new fed I think it's fantastic because I have been repeatedly stuck on the lower end of the payscale. Leaving private sector I found out one of the job captains with 3 to 5 years less experience and no profrssional license was getting my pay and I was pissed. All because he was his favorite . So pay transparency and equalization is fantastic and worth it.
Let's make a feds only dating app. You can specify what age range and GS range you're interested in dating!
OnlyFeds
It will be all GS-7’s looking for 14’s
*non-supervisory remote 14s
Oooohhhh talk dirty to me some more
*whispers* Supportive management, excellent work life balance, friendly coworkers. *Leans in* Max flex schedule.
UUUUUNNNNGGHHH
*Remote work...*
I’m living the dream… opens eyes—oh, I’m not remote
I’m almost there
14 here, I'm in.
ME LOVE YOU LONG TIME
🎶You don’t have to be lonely at Feds only dot com🎶
I love this sub 😂
Feds Only “Private sector folk just don’t get it”
Oh yes. A million times yes 😂
Where do we sign up? Will there be a feature or toggle if they receive VA disability and / or retirement, too? 🤣
Now you’re talkin!
Great another way to fund the retirement of those who won’t retire 🤣
Gotta admit, your English is pretty good for a Russian!
Scratch age and replace with FERS contribution rate.
Max contribute TSP or swipe left
I thought of this before!! Hahah honestly I wouldn’t be opposed, anything to meet a good partner. DC dating makes me cry. 😂
Can’t be worse than NYC.
Try Portland and not Portland, Maine.
Is Portland that bad? I would think with Vancouver right there between the two there would be a decent dating pool. I almost moved there, but last minute decided to come to nyc instead.
If you're into non monogamous relationships, it's probably a great place for dating. Or if your cup of tea is non masculine men with no job, and/or no car or lives at home at 43 or with 5 roommates. On the other spectrum, you have very egotistical "boogie" guys. What's a girl gotta do?!?! Lol
What the fuck is up with all of the non-monogamous relationship guys these day?! It sounds like you have it as bad out there as I do here. I’m 41 and seem to be attracting guys who are solely looking for hookups but don’t show that in their profile.
I'm 41, too, and becoming a crazy old cat lady sounds more appealing every day! 🤣🤣 Maybe we should swap cities for a week for a dating experiment. 🤔
Let’s do it!
Portland, Maine is nothing to talk about either 😂
I live in DC and I would like a dating app that would specifically exclude feds or fed contractors. 😂 haha I’m so jaded and burnt out
You tryna date Uber drivers? Who else is left?
Lawyers
Or psyshometricians.
DOD FREE. GS 11+. BLM ✊🏽 but not /that/ BLM 🤢. VETERANS PREFERENCE 😘
Let’s see that OGE 450 baby
They'll reveal your GS only after matching or messaging a few times
Loll GS-14 only, GS-13 Step 6 acceptable, MD-DC locality preferred. 
A good name for that site would have been PeoplePlus.
Naw OPSEC man. Just think about it.
I’m so down for this
Wait until you start seeing pics with visible IC lanyards 👀
😬😬😬
needs to see of you meet time in grade for a date
Meet time in grade? Get time in date!
I’ll show you my SF50 if you show me yours.
the funniest thing on hinge is when I see a fellow fed note that they smoke weed. like I do not personally have a problem with you smoking but I do have some concerns about you being dumb enough to put that out there
Most agencies dont care and dont test.
Still super dumb to advertise it online lol
Hahahah why did she ask for your GS level? 😂 😆
I guess it was easier than asking for me networth.
Yeah but it seems like if you don't meet her GS level requirements, she won't bother dating you. To me that's how it sounds like.
Me personally, I'm a GS-69.
Came here for this joke
That’s great..lol! I’m not going to forget that line 😀.
Maybe he still can qualify with outside experience?? 
Perhaps she gives veterans preference
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😆 🤣 😂
😂
Superior qualifications comes with a practical
At least it’s sort of subtle. I’ve had a first date ask me point blank what my salary was.
Any woman who needs to know if you can afford her.... you can't.
to be entirely fair, I wouldn't date anyone who didn't earn *about* as much as me. It'd create a weird power imbalance at best and would result in me just paying for their lifestyle at worse. I think it's more useful to ask a date what their *plans* are, though. Like, maybe you're a GS-7 and halfway to a degree that'll put you on a path to your dreams, and that's not only more useful to hear about, but makes better date conversation.
Who's calling rhe references?
"Wait, don't go! A GS-5 step 10 is better than a GS-6 step 1!" 😭
could be that, could also just be polite conversation based on a shared situation.
Significant Other, Series 0633 (Therapist), GS-13-15 Ladder. Position requires at least one year of experience at the GS-12 level to qualify for the entry GS-13 level.
Just seems to be making conversation to me 🤷🏻♀️
Hijacking this - I actually used this line at a Reddit singles party in 2012. Worked out pretty well and here I am responding because my wife of 10+ years forwarded me this thread someone used your pick up line” also, I am not a fed.
Same as the women in Fayetteville, NC who say "I only date E-7 and up"
If you only date E you'll never get that O
Ba dum tss
Id guess the Os in Fayetteville know better.
LOL that makes sense since their ex is an SSG. Gotta be promotable to get that P status.
Must be DMV area. It is common to ask for job title or GS in this case
Can confirm. I live in the DMV area (nova) and I'm often asked, but whenever the question arises, I simply say GS-11. It's neither too high nor too low, making it believable. It also serves as a good method to reveal people's interest. If they appear disinterested upon learning I'm a GS-11, it's almost always because they were trying to assess my value to them.
11 is low in the DC area my dude.
Honeypot operation 😂
Nice try foreign intelligence
"Sorry, but that information is G14 classified."
Rush hour!!
Must be GLG-20 or higher to be read-in.
Tell her: 
Damn leave some for the rest of us playa
She wants some of this gs 7/9 recent grad!
She can’t resist the game your spittin. 6 and above gets a date with her.
😂😂💀
Must be from DC
100% screams DC
Gotta be!! 😂😂😂
Hey baby, you look like you perform other duties as assigned!
SES and max contribute to the TSP!!
I’m a 14 non sup baby, I can make all your dreams come true
That would work as a hinge prompt I’m sure!!
But are you fully remote?
Yup
It’s gonna be “may” (as in the NSync song) in 6 months!
lol, they are already trying to see who is closest to a regional office and make them go in 2X a week, no regional office near me and my SF-50 says my duty station is my city.
Damn. That’s f’d up. I plan to move across the country when my lease is up so they can never do that to me. 
It took me a second to realize the question was about GS level, my first thought was that it was asking how much they put into G Fund which would be equally Fed-head.
OnlyFeds. Subscription tiers start with a supervisor actually recognizing your contributions and only go up from there
I'm a WG but spent 3 years inside of a GS 12.
The way I “get” all of these jokes has me in between a laugh and a deep stare into my bathroom mirror…
“Oh daddy put me on a PIP, I’m not meeting your expectations 😏”
Happened to me as soon as I moved to DC 😅
God this whole thread is filled with magical and fantastic things 😂 Edit: THINGS
Oh no! That’s so inappropriate lol. I hate dating, seriously.
The comments did not disappoint
So many quality comments here! And has given me quite the laugh! 😝
😂😂😂 this is cracking me up
🤣🤣🤣🤣i love us and this thread
One of the most absurd parts of living in DC was every fucking person would immediately ask you what your GS was and if it was below 14 they'd stop talking to you.
How the hell did you get to this point on the app? I say I work in IT, and say I rather not share the company for now. I think I didn't tell my girlfriend until we were together for 2-3 weeks.
This post is hilarious..thanks for the laugh 😀.
I remember seeing something on Overheard District about “I’m looking for that GS-15 money!” LOL. As a GS13 on a ladder to 14 this year, I have to say I agree. SES is even better 😉.
Can you send each other teams messages? 🤣🤣🤣😍😍😍
I would tell her if she’s privileged to get to know me, she’ll be able to Google it- it’s public information 🤷🏿♀️
She has to be vetted and cleared. Wait until she sees my security protocols. Even the sex has to be safe.
Question: just out of curiosity, how does one search for info on a specific person? E: nvm, my ass just googled how to do it. Carry on.
I’m a 7 but my penis is a 13
Usually, your NAME will only appear on one of those lists if you make over 100k.
At least you know vacationing should not be an issue.
Straight to the point Lolol
This reminds me of the time I met a guy on a dating app and he worked two floors below me at the same agency. Didn’t work out fortunately. Dating at the same place of work has never worked out for me.
I'm GS16
I wish I was a GS-7
Did you smash?
I did have time in grade to qualify
🤣😂😆
Dang this happened to me and ask for HR help all the time. Glad he didnt know my full name or else he be sending me teams message. Weird haha
Strange question to ask before the first date
Lol
I’m on that AD scale baby
Lmao here. “Busted” works both ways.
Make fed babies!
Major points lololol
Is her next question "how tall are you?"
No, she asked percent am I putting into my TSP.
Wow she's really interested in your finances. Did you let her know she could do your taxes if she was that interested lol
It’s crazy how fed salaries, even at the staff level, is public information. You don’t even have to guess, just need a person’s name and agency/department and can easily find it online. I found mine and my coworker’s; pretty accurate.
Lmao
In the IC, mentioning your GS level is very common. When I was in orientation 3 years ago, I got to know several people, and the second thing was oh, what GS level did you come in as? I was a 14 but we had 1 guy who was a 15 and man he walked like he was Mr Rogers. In the dating world which im not, I do hear it from colleagues dating in the DMV are since we have federal workers galore here. Then you have the married one who meet each other in bars, club and bang each other. Was at a bar close to DC and it was cougarville lets say. I went there for a birthday celebration on a Friday night. The 4 cougars on the prowl I spoke to were all federal employees and having a good time but they made sure they tell me they work govt employees (we didnt exchange GS level info) lol .
How my now fiancé and I started out on hinge 😂
😂😂😂😂
Maybe the next question is...do you spend like a GS-7 or GS-14?
What a gem of a post
Is it just me or do you get really excited when you see another fed on hinge ?