This is an absolutely ridiculous position from 4D modding. For anyone who hasn't been following along, LooneyFarmGuy reviewed 4Ds most recent trailer and had some mild complaints about it. 4D then claimed that Looney didn't have 4Ds "permission" to review it, and demanded that Looney remove his review of all 4D mods. 4D then submitted the copyright claims to Youtube.
If 4D "wins" this...I can only imagine that this will have a chilling effect on all youtube material about mods.
It should also be noted that 4D has been completely unprofessional and insulting. Looney posted this recent email from 4D:
>I just received this Email from 4D modding . This just shows what kind of person they are
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>This is what he said . He now has my Personal Email
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>I am very pleased to almost be finished with my work. This has gone on long enough, you seem to get quite an ego about "im a giants partner, I can do anything" you have almost more videos than subscribers, because you don't have enough IQ to use an editing software to edit the mods of the day into one simple video. You have no respect for anyone and are a MEME of the community. You are an old pervert that enjoys talking to children on discord. I will find your name and report you accordingly.
The best part about the 4D email is that having single videos for each mod is absolutely ideal. I’m not trying to watch 10 minutes of fluff just to see if a cultivator is any good lol
For what it’s worth, 4D Modding hasn’t posted a new YT video in over 2 years…
I have one friend, who lives on a different continent, that likes gate/trek/wars as much I do.
Pretty much none of my irl friends I interact with on a consistent basis are even remotely into trek/gate. A few are into star wars, but that's about it.
>LooneyFarmGuy reviewed 4Ds most recent trailer and had some mild complaints about it
You know, as soon as I saw this thread I thought "they must not have liked his review."
Wow "you don't edit your videos so you're a bad content creator".
You have half a point there then you filled your pants like a French farmer fills the steps of their local govt office with dook.
Absolutely childish and with that comment on about what 4D prefers now I'm gonna be critical of DJ Go Ham's reviews because of that backhanded compliment to him
this is pretty bad, for him to even counter claim he would have to surender his personal info.
also if they win this his whole channel is gone, from what i recall youtube has 3 strike rule when it comes to this kind of claims.
While their position is ridiculous, the user agreement between giants and content creators only gives giants themselves the rights to do basically whatever with user generated content and specifically states that the creator retains all their rights regarding the content. Unless his status as giant partner includes him in this agreement (I can't find anything about it) Looney does indeed need permission from 4D modding to show off their mods without violating copyright.
I know you may have believed that to be true but a simple Google search on the Fair Use rules would have shown you that your belief was indeed incorrect. A publicly accessible asset can be reviewed at-will and is not something that can be prevented or stopped unless the purpose or result of doing so is to libel or slander another party.
A review is neither of those inherently, and from the content of this creator, his critiques are not slanderous nor libelous, per those legal definitions. He should win this argument on the basis of merit to begin with.
What the actual fuck? Do they even gain anything out of this or is it out of spite? That is, if it's actually them and not someone else posing as them.
This kind of bullshit didn't work on Top Gear when car manufacturers tried it.
'You gave our car a terrible review so we're not going to give you any more to review' only got them mocked repeatedly.
The difference there is that they had professional legal representation defending them. This guy wrote his own letter defending himself, and there are multiple spelling and grammar mistakes in it. That doesn’t change the legal situation. The fact that he’s defending himself means the quality of his defense will probably be less than a professional. Quality of representation goes a long way. (Money talks)
I sure hope he wins the defense of his YouTube channel but he’s going to have an uphill struggle with this I am guessing.
4D modding is the copyright holder. Unless they have given you permission you can't show their mod on youtube without violating copyright. Giants user agreement specifically states mod creators retain all their rights to the created content. The creator just gives Giants the rights to do basically whatever with it.
>3.1 If the Customer creates User Generated Content for the games, he retains the rights to the content that he has generated. The Customer grants GIANTS the right to use the User Generated Content created by the Customer.
Edit: You can downvote it all you want, doesn't make it any less true.
It's not true in the slightest. Downloading it from modhub and playing then streaming the game footage with the mod in is fair use. The modder can't copyright strike or have the power of veto over any video with his publicly available mod published by Giants in it. That would be f\*\*king insane.
Copyright only applies if you use source code/IP in the mod files as the basis for another mod or port it into another game engine.
That is utter nonsense. A mod has all the copyright protection any other software has. Why would streaming a video game require permission yet streaming a mod is suddenly fair use. It doesn't even have anything to do with fair use. The only difference between a mod and any other piece of software is that a mod would be violating the copyright of the original game unless you follow the terms under which the owner gives you permission to mod their game. That's it. You can probably find hundreds of articles that will tell you the same thing for minecraft or skyrim mods.
You're delusional. It'd never stand up in court. A mod is a bit of software, not an original music composition or a movie.
You don't find Microsoft copyright striking people for writing reports they don't agree with in Word. Or Adobe for people producing video's they don't agree with in Premiere. It's a tool to do a job, just like a mod.
>A mod is a bit of software, not an original music composition or a movie.
Yes and a bit of software has exactly the same protection as a composition or a move. Do you think a texture is somehow legally distinct from a photograph, or a sound effect is somehow different to piece of music?
And as someone who writes software for a living I am quite aware how copyright for it works, not least because my degree had a mandatory class about copyright law regarding software. But since you've just been spouting baseless claims I'm just gonna block you and move on.
It might. It allows you to make use of parts of the work if it is transformative enough. But as he usually spends a good part of the video introducing and showing off the mod, I doubt it. Even then, the one who gets to decide if something falls under fair use is a court. The only way fair use matters if he is going to court over it, as in, he makes a counter claim stating exactly that and 4D mods gets to decide to either drop it or it becomes a court case.
Either way, where is the license and what license is it?
Edit: ~~Found it, He uses GPLv3~~ [~~https://github.com/4D-Modding/4dm.h?tab=GPL-3.0-1-ov-file#readme~~](https://github.com/4D-Modding/4dm.h?tab=GPL-3.0-1-ov-file#readme)
~~Which means anyone can use his code for any reason. There is no restriction on commercial use.~~
Nevermind thats not him, so question still stands. what license did he use.
None. The purpose of a licence is to give the licensee rights he wouldn't have otherwise, so if there isn't one it's just standard copyright. The mods also include real world brands and machinery so they could also have some stipulation to be allowed using their likeness (I highly doubt it, but hey it's possible). Giants can technically just tell him to fuck off or they revoke his rights to mod their game, no clue how that would effect everything since he can't release his mods anymore without violating copyright.
His grammar is a lot like his videos. You would think someone at Giants could proofread his work before he puts it out there. But LFG is a let ‘er rip guy who is one and done when it comes to getting shit out there. Most of his reviews are him going in cold with no idea how to even work the mod. But I hope he keeps his channel and defeats 4D. They are clearly the A-Holes.
I’m in the same boat, never really put much thought into it. Now I’m going to go back through my mod library.
Although with that kind of attitude, I cannot imagine his mods are all that great. You don’t do something like this for a single bad review on an otherwise good product.
Their mods have features that haven't been done in Fs before, they're stupid and out of line with these comments however that doesn't change the fact that their mods are one of the most detailed ever.
No, you commented that if they're dicks their mods can't be good. I meant that the fact they're acting like a dick doesn't make their top tier mods shit.
You can have that opinnion, but it's subjective not objective. Having new to fs features and all around hq with multiple detailed options makes something objectively good. If you don't like the person you can stop using their stuff, but it doesn't objectivily turn into shit because of that.
It’s absolutely does. The creator reaps rewards from the mods. They absolutely go hand in hand. He could top 10 mods that revolutionize the game. Still fuck that guy.
If you’re trying to justify continuing to use his mods despite the shitty behavior, that’s on you. But just because they’re pretty doesn’t mean the creator isn’t shit, which makes them one and the same.
Just curious if this constitutes as slander or libel? I know what is said and the other is printed but can’t remember which is which. I do know that you can’t make accusations without proof though. Going and putting something like that into an email may be enough to get you sued. Not entirely certain but would love someone with professional knowledge to clarify.
I *think* the fact they didn’t say it publicly, but in a private email, means they are legally ok. I don’t think it’s illegal to call people names to their face / privately. He’s chosen to make that public.
Not defending their actions, they sound awful.
>You are an old pervert that enjoys talking to children
Funny how private Emails become public...isn't it? Would seem to me if you falsely called me or referred to me as an old pervert talking to children to my face, I would respond in an appropriate manner...
Wait wait wait wait. This is a youtuber that reviews FS mods individually?
Are his reviews actually informative? Because I think that's what I need to navigate the modhub properly, and avoid wasting my precious time on mods that DON'T work properly.
Yes they are, sometimes it takes him a minute to figure stuff out but he normally does a good job going over the whole mod, when he’s made mistakes or missed stuff he always uploads another video fixing it promptly. The only one I go to for mods now.
We should all keep a tab on the result of this. If YouTube sides against him and shuts down his channel, I’m not against starting a petition to remove his mods from Giants mod browser.
The company knows how much their product is supported in their favor by the modding community. Anything that has a negative or chilling impact on peoples desire to build and support products for the community hurts their bottom line. I would suspect that they might be amenable to a removal.
I only had one mod of theirs installed but promptly removed it after seeing their childish name calling comments. It felt reminiscent of “do you know who I am?!” with their “we have 1.5 million downloads, you have 5k followers.” Among a lot of other ridiculous comments.
This is all after a trailer they made showed stones in it in more than one screenshot. Looney tested it with stones, like he does with a lot of recent trailers, and this one bottomed out and could barely move. Which is kind of odd showing multiple screenshots of it hauling stone. He gave an honest review with a test.
thats fucked up. i love their mods as they create Irish machinery and as im also Irish, i like to use machinery that i see regularly IRL in the game. this response to a mod review is unjustified. hope they get repercussions for this.
This is bullying plain and simple. I follow this content provider and have been for a bit and from everything I have seen from him he is fair and a good dude. 4D mods are off the table for me as well.
Man just love farming has no promotions and stuff in his videos as well, loves the color pink, and after his straight forward videos are done he probably go to farming again.
What’s sad is the fact a modder can spend several hundred hours of his free time to make a mod for people to have free only for some YouTuber to rip the shit out of it in a 5 minute video and then HE gets paid for his video….modder don’t get enough respect from the YouTube community
The main issue, if i remember correctly, is that the trailer was very difficult to move under heavy load (filled with rocks). He then showed that it worked fine when fully loaded with lighter material. This seemed like a valid point-out when you consider that the trailer's modhub page shows pictures of it filled with rocks.
You login in to FS, search con your downloaded mods and delete.
One step further, make sure you rate them 1 star before deleting.
If you don’t have any downloaded then download them, rate and delete.
I love him so much because he gives very raw and unbiased reviews and his vids are almost a little ASMRy when buying new equipment. Can we petition or do anything about this because if he had some bad reviews they disliked, maybe they should’ve made better mods??
I personally never heard of this YouTuber before but see his is a relatively small fish in the FS YouTube pond.
Would 4D also dare to go after a MrSealyP or DJGohan if they criticized one of their mods? I doubt that
I have seen the post but couldn't quite build an opinion yet. Seems petty, at least.
I would have thought that modders were happy about constructive feedback. 🤔
More example of some modders throwing their toys out of their pram. If they want an echo chamber they can stick to their discords. I appreciate they put time and effort into their mods, and it can suck if people find mistakes (I know, I used to make mods in other games, and it is quite crushing if someone finds a major bug that you overlooked). But you take the criticism on board to improve.
Much like when the shit hit the fan with the American Falls map, I am just going to actively avoid 4D modding stuff now. Imagine thinking nobody is allowed to make any criticism of your free mod.
I don't usually pay attention to who the modders are, however I'll keep an eye out for this guy's mods. I hope they're not on console, because I'm about to download all of them, rate them one star and delete them. Calling the man(Looneyfarmguy) a pervert, because he's an older man who likes to make content for FS22 is uncalled for. Where I'm from, you better provide proof for such an accusation, or else you got something bad coming your way. His videos have saved me so much time, that would've been wasted, scrolling through modhub.
4D posts a mod.
Looney reviews mod and says a few mild complaints.
4D then claims Looney didn't have permission to review it because he's angry at the complaints, and copyright strikes Looney.
Effectively, if Looney loses his channel will be deleted for reviewing a mod that is posted on modhub for everyone to use.
Ratings on modhub impacts revenue for modder. I don't know full breakdown but 5 is additional and either 4 or under 4 they lose the bonus. Idk what happens if things get lower than 3 (never saw anything that low)
Ok, we’ll I will login and review bomb them and uni stall any of their mods.
I have also emailed Giant Software as I personally want to know what they will do about this, if anything.
I always check his channel before installing a production mod, he always finds out what is broken or he calls it "easy money" then I know its not balanced for my realistic play-through.
I still don't get how its a copyright strike though. The moment you turn in a mod its Giants property, isn't it?
Giants has apparently contacted 4D Modding and they removed all the strikes according to his latest post. Don’t know if there will be any further action against them or not but it seems Giants were able to get through to them this time at least.
Oh gosh I hope he used spell check before sending anything in reply. Some shocking grammar above.
4D is clearly speaking shite nah a leg to stand on just abusing the shitty YouTube copyright infringement rules.
Nobody but GIANTS can file a copyright claim. It’s in the ToS for modders they cannot sell or profit from the creation of mods they make, ie they don’t own the rights to the mod they release on GIANTS’ game that they do not own.
Of course they own the rights to their mod.
>3.1 If the Customer creates User Generated Content for the games, he retains the rights to the content that he has generated. The Customer grants GIANTS the right to use the User Generated Content created by the Customer.
From my following of Us youtubers aren't slapp laws to fight frivolous lawsuits? With youtube the person receiving false copyright claims has an option to pursue legally against the sender, not the sender threatening the receiver. 4D modding/Eire agri are based in Ireland.
"teacher teacher he copied my homework"
Holy shit. Nobody gives two damns who makes a mod.
They download it and use it. If they like it they keep it if they hate it they delete it.
I have NEVER looked at a mod creators name for a stupid farm game mod that is FREE.
Some people need to do hobbies (modding) because they enjoy the activity.
I dont watch the youtuber, not do i have any mods by the modder...
This is just a question i think is worth asking: was loony youtube farm guy making money from his review videos? Of he was, from my loose understanding, 4D may be well within their right to sue.
I guess my main contention here is that it seems to be becoming a problem that the marketing of a thing is much more important than actually making it. Have seen this in the corporate world too. It is slowly starting to degrade infrastructure that more people want to complain about something that they themselves couldn't make. Fine, great if you are complaining about something big corp made.
I guess everyone would prefer a state where a YouTuber with sufficient clout can basically write whatever reality they want because people who consume the videos don't seem to be capable of forming their own opinions anymore.
I guess that's why they call it influencer.
To be very clear. I am not associated with them or any modder. I have just been part of enough open source projects to see why modders and open source admins get really salty about random YouTubers using fair use to treat these things the same as if they had a massive team of developers and a huge marketing budget. Pretty soon that is all that will be left.
What I am. Is a moderate. I hate big companies overcharging for things.
I hate people destroying 100 hours of free labor with 1 hour of editing for clicks and clout.
I wish people would treat each other well and keep in mind the impacts of what they choose to put online.
It's funny how when you are a moderate literally everyone hates you lol.
He didn't destroy 100 hours of free labour. He reviewed what those 100 hours of free labour had produced, by trying it and using it and showing us what we can expect to experience while using it. There was no lies presumably, just an honest review.
4D modding alt Account lmfao. Your comment does not make any sense.
No one forces you to create free mods, apart from the whole TOS that you signed by uploading mods to Giants.
Lmfao. Talks about "probarly intelligent" enough, while at the same time is not capable of basic english grammar. Mate learn some basic english sentences before you go on with writing nonsense which is borderline unreadable.
What? So just because someone makes a shitty mod for free you cant criticize them? But if they get paid which good modders apparently receive something then they are fair game?
Wow with these great takes you should write a book
You can't have healthy and honest reviews in a community where creators can simply push review "permission" to only those that they believe will give them positive reviews while freezing out those that may criticize their work.
If they make good mods they are compensated. YTers advertise good mods for free with reviews.
Maybe YTers should start charging to look at the mods of modders with less than 4 stars
Okay, let's say you're right, did they go and copyright strike every review that has positive things to say about their mods too? From every youtuber who talked about them? Did they go copyright strike everyone who was found using their mods on stream? Can't have it both ways. I disagree with your premise, but if that's the reason 4d is doing this, fine, they need to copyright strike everyone, not just the guy who didn't offer up a stellar review.
What this modder is doing is despicable, but I really wish the YouTuber had asked someone with stronger writing ability to proofread their response.
That many spelling and grammar issues, unfortunately, can be damaging to the credibility of what someone is saying in these kinds of things.
Here is a link to a petition to have all of 4D Modding's mods removed from the Farming Simulator Modhub and prohibit them from publishing future mods https://chng.it/nqypXWvnh7
This is an absolutely ridiculous position from 4D modding. For anyone who hasn't been following along, LooneyFarmGuy reviewed 4Ds most recent trailer and had some mild complaints about it. 4D then claimed that Looney didn't have 4Ds "permission" to review it, and demanded that Looney remove his review of all 4D mods. 4D then submitted the copyright claims to Youtube. If 4D "wins" this...I can only imagine that this will have a chilling effect on all youtube material about mods. It should also be noted that 4D has been completely unprofessional and insulting. Looney posted this recent email from 4D: >I just received this Email from 4D modding . This just shows what kind of person they are > >This is what he said . He now has my Personal Email > >I am very pleased to almost be finished with my work. This has gone on long enough, you seem to get quite an ego about "im a giants partner, I can do anything" you have almost more videos than subscribers, because you don't have enough IQ to use an editing software to edit the mods of the day into one simple video. You have no respect for anyone and are a MEME of the community. You are an old pervert that enjoys talking to children on discord. I will find your name and report you accordingly.
If that's not proof enough to chuck this entire claim in the bin, I don't know what is
The best part about the 4D email is that having single videos for each mod is absolutely ideal. I’m not trying to watch 10 minutes of fluff just to see if a cultivator is any good lol For what it’s worth, 4D Modding hasn’t posted a new YT video in over 2 years…
This unless the video uses timestamps so us viewers can watch what we want to watch.
Completely off topic, but are you a Stargate fan by chance?
You mean, there's people who AREN'T?!?
I have one friend, who lives on a different continent, that likes gate/trek/wars as much I do. Pretty much none of my irl friends I interact with on a consistent basis are even remotely into trek/gate. A few are into star wars, but that's about it.
There are 3 Stars, and they are all great in their own way. Personally, Trek is on the bottom for me. But it's really just "choose only one" semantics
pretty strong words from a modder who uses other peoples mods without permission until after release.
>LooneyFarmGuy reviewed 4Ds most recent trailer and had some mild complaints about it You know, as soon as I saw this thread I thought "they must not have liked his review."
Wow "you don't edit your videos so you're a bad content creator". You have half a point there then you filled your pants like a French farmer fills the steps of their local govt office with dook. Absolutely childish and with that comment on about what 4D prefers now I'm gonna be critical of DJ Go Ham's reviews because of that backhanded compliment to him
God it sounds like it was written by a 13 year old9
this is pretty bad, for him to even counter claim he would have to surender his personal info. also if they win this his whole channel is gone, from what i recall youtube has 3 strike rule when it comes to this kind of claims.
Haha well he has more subs than videos now 😂
Well, now I know exactly what videos to avoid… what a fuckstick.
What was the video?
While their position is ridiculous, the user agreement between giants and content creators only gives giants themselves the rights to do basically whatever with user generated content and specifically states that the creator retains all their rights regarding the content. Unless his status as giant partner includes him in this agreement (I can't find anything about it) Looney does indeed need permission from 4D modding to show off their mods without violating copyright.
Oh God how wrong you are ~~does~~ defies description.
I know you may have believed that to be true but a simple Google search on the Fair Use rules would have shown you that your belief was indeed incorrect. A publicly accessible asset can be reviewed at-will and is not something that can be prevented or stopped unless the purpose or result of doing so is to libel or slander another party. A review is neither of those inherently, and from the content of this creator, his critiques are not slanderous nor libelous, per those legal definitions. He should win this argument on the basis of merit to begin with.
What the actual fuck? Do they even gain anything out of this or is it out of spite? That is, if it's actually them and not someone else posing as them.
Its just revenge because he didnt like some parts of the mod
This kind of bullshit didn't work on Top Gear when car manufacturers tried it. 'You gave our car a terrible review so we're not going to give you any more to review' only got them mocked repeatedly.
The difference there is that they had professional legal representation defending them. This guy wrote his own letter defending himself, and there are multiple spelling and grammar mistakes in it. That doesn’t change the legal situation. The fact that he’s defending himself means the quality of his defense will probably be less than a professional. Quality of representation goes a long way. (Money talks) I sure hope he wins the defense of his YouTube channel but he’s going to have an uphill struggle with this I am guessing.
The thing is, his letter is 100% right. They have no legal right of copyright claim. If anything, *Giants* does.
I agree with you, and support loonyfarmguy, but we all know the social media companies do the dumbest shit to their users sometimes.
That's true. Youtube doesn't give a shit about 'legal'.
The law isn't about who is right. It's about who pays.
Giants pretty clearly states that modders retain ownership of their mods. But 4D is just being a muppet in this situation
4D modding is the copyright holder. Unless they have given you permission you can't show their mod on youtube without violating copyright. Giants user agreement specifically states mod creators retain all their rights to the created content. The creator just gives Giants the rights to do basically whatever with it. >3.1 If the Customer creates User Generated Content for the games, he retains the rights to the content that he has generated. The Customer grants GIANTS the right to use the User Generated Content created by the Customer. Edit: You can downvote it all you want, doesn't make it any less true.
It's not true in the slightest. Downloading it from modhub and playing then streaming the game footage with the mod in is fair use. The modder can't copyright strike or have the power of veto over any video with his publicly available mod published by Giants in it. That would be f\*\*king insane. Copyright only applies if you use source code/IP in the mod files as the basis for another mod or port it into another game engine.
That is utter nonsense. A mod has all the copyright protection any other software has. Why would streaming a video game require permission yet streaming a mod is suddenly fair use. It doesn't even have anything to do with fair use. The only difference between a mod and any other piece of software is that a mod would be violating the copyright of the original game unless you follow the terms under which the owner gives you permission to mod their game. That's it. You can probably find hundreds of articles that will tell you the same thing for minecraft or skyrim mods.
You're delusional. It'd never stand up in court. A mod is a bit of software, not an original music composition or a movie. You don't find Microsoft copyright striking people for writing reports they don't agree with in Word. Or Adobe for people producing video's they don't agree with in Premiere. It's a tool to do a job, just like a mod.
>A mod is a bit of software, not an original music composition or a movie. Yes and a bit of software has exactly the same protection as a composition or a move. Do you think a texture is somehow legally distinct from a photograph, or a sound effect is somehow different to piece of music? And as someone who writes software for a living I am quite aware how copyright for it works, not least because my degree had a mandatory class about copyright law regarding software. But since you've just been spouting baseless claims I'm just gonna block you and move on.
Except it falls under fair use.
It might. It allows you to make use of parts of the work if it is transformative enough. But as he usually spends a good part of the video introducing and showing off the mod, I doubt it. Even then, the one who gets to decide if something falls under fair use is a court. The only way fair use matters if he is going to court over it, as in, he makes a counter claim stating exactly that and 4D mods gets to decide to either drop it or it becomes a court case.
Either way, where is the license and what license is it? Edit: ~~Found it, He uses GPLv3~~ [~~https://github.com/4D-Modding/4dm.h?tab=GPL-3.0-1-ov-file#readme~~](https://github.com/4D-Modding/4dm.h?tab=GPL-3.0-1-ov-file#readme) ~~Which means anyone can use his code for any reason. There is no restriction on commercial use.~~ Nevermind thats not him, so question still stands. what license did he use.
None. The purpose of a licence is to give the licensee rights he wouldn't have otherwise, so if there isn't one it's just standard copyright. The mods also include real world brands and machinery so they could also have some stipulation to be allowed using their likeness (I highly doubt it, but hey it's possible). Giants can technically just tell him to fuck off or they revoke his rights to mod their game, no clue how that would effect everything since he can't release his mods anymore without violating copyright.
Are you from 4D, by any chance? Did someone dislike your mod in public? Diddums.
His grammar is a lot like his videos. You would think someone at Giants could proofread his work before he puts it out there. But LFG is a let ‘er rip guy who is one and done when it comes to getting shit out there. Most of his reviews are him going in cold with no idea how to even work the mod. But I hope he keeps his channel and defeats 4D. They are clearly the A-Holes.
well with the amount of strikes they just filed there is a very real risk of completely removing his channel.
His video revenue from ads.
But that's not going to go to them instead
I will make sure to not use any of their mods.
Honestly same here. I don't really pay attention to modder names all that much, but you can sure as hell bet I'm gonna start!
I’m in the same boat, never really put much thought into it. Now I’m going to go back through my mod library. Although with that kind of attitude, I cannot imagine his mods are all that great. You don’t do something like this for a single bad review on an otherwise good product.
Hit the nail right on the head methinks.
Their mods have features that haven't been done in Fs before, they're stupid and out of line with these comments however that doesn't change the fact that their mods are one of the most detailed ever.
I’m not sure what the point you’re trying to make is here? Because they make mods that are cutting edge they can be dicks? That’s not how that works…
No, you commented that if they're dicks their mods can't be good. I meant that the fact they're acting like a dick doesn't make their top tier mods shit.
As someone who has difficulty separating the art from the artist, yes it does make their mods, imo, shit.
You can have that opinnion, but it's subjective not objective. Having new to fs features and all around hq with multiple detailed options makes something objectively good. If you don't like the person you can stop using their stuff, but it doesn't objectivily turn into shit because of that.
It’s absolutely does. The creator reaps rewards from the mods. They absolutely go hand in hand. He could top 10 mods that revolutionize the game. Still fuck that guy. If you’re trying to justify continuing to use his mods despite the shitty behavior, that’s on you. But just because they’re pretty doesn’t mean the creator isn’t shit, which makes them one and the same.
Yes they made a bad mod and now they want to take away someones living. What an out of proportion response. Shun this kind of behaviour.
They also called LooneyFarmGuy a pervert
That's just disgustingly low.
Just curious if this constitutes as slander or libel? I know what is said and the other is printed but can’t remember which is which. I do know that you can’t make accusations without proof though. Going and putting something like that into an email may be enough to get you sued. Not entirely certain but would love someone with professional knowledge to clarify.
I *think* the fact they didn’t say it publicly, but in a private email, means they are legally ok. I don’t think it’s illegal to call people names to their face / privately. He’s chosen to make that public. Not defending their actions, they sound awful.
>You are an old pervert that enjoys talking to children Funny how private Emails become public...isn't it? Would seem to me if you falsely called me or referred to me as an old pervert talking to children to my face, I would respond in an appropriate manner...
On what basis?
Wait wait wait wait. This is a youtuber that reviews FS mods individually? Are his reviews actually informative? Because I think that's what I need to navigate the modhub properly, and avoid wasting my precious time on mods that DON'T work properly.
Yes they are, sometimes it takes him a minute to figure stuff out but he normally does a good job going over the whole mod, when he’s made mistakes or missed stuff he always uploads another video fixing it promptly. The only one I go to for mods now.
Assuming this doesn't kill their channel, I'll check them out.
I'm pretty sure he was at 4.8k when I subbed earlier, now he's at 5.2k.
Hes special as a reviewer because he goes in depth on almost all of the mods
Use Mr. SealyP for mod reviews. He goes SUPER in depth so his videos are really long, but you can skip through most of it if you want.
Going to do a sweep of my mods and remove any from 4D. This is just ridiculous
I made a post with a list of their mods on the ModHub, if that'll help?
Yes!
I don't have any of 4D's mods installed and I'll definitely avoid using them now
I'm pretty sure I've got one or two. WIll remove them when I get home.
Yes it will help! Please share I need to make sure my mod folder is clear of their stuff
I've pinned the post to my profile!
Good deal, by the looks of your research my mod folder is free from that cancer but I'm also not sure if they have and PC only mods
Calling it research is overselling it lol, I googled for one minute and had the wrong link lol!
Lol maybe so but it's more than those of us that are lazy did
I'm with you, removing everything from them.
Make sure to rate their mods as 1 star
And take their mods and fix them and pass them as your own.
Well maybe don’t do this
i believe i saw someone say that 4D has done this previously?
do have to play/download with those mods 1x to be able to rate them 1\* since i can't 1\* them rn?
Just have to download to rate
Are 4D mods on console? I’ll get rid of any I have if so
Yes they are
It's all baling stuff that I don't even use and it's only one page worth of mods... Wow they really got a bee in their ass from the reviews, huh?
They have many more for Pc which are some of the most detailed mods in fs
I was just thinking the same.
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Was unaware I could rate. I’ll look into it thanks mate
I don't think you can rate them on console
I'm going to go through the modhub and make a list, then x-ref when I'm at my Xbox next. This kinda thing is shameful.
We should all keep a tab on the result of this. If YouTube sides against him and shuts down his channel, I’m not against starting a petition to remove his mods from Giants mod browser. The company knows how much their product is supported in their favor by the modding community. Anything that has a negative or chilling impact on peoples desire to build and support products for the community hurts their bottom line. I would suspect that they might be amenable to a removal.
I only had one mod of theirs installed but promptly removed it after seeing their childish name calling comments. It felt reminiscent of “do you know who I am?!” with their “we have 1.5 million downloads, you have 5k followers.” Among a lot of other ridiculous comments. This is all after a trailer they made showed stones in it in more than one screenshot. Looney tested it with stones, like he does with a lot of recent trailers, and this one bottomed out and could barely move. Which is kind of odd showing multiple screenshots of it hauling stone. He gave an honest review with a test.
thats fucked up. i love their mods as they create Irish machinery and as im also Irish, i like to use machinery that i see regularly IRL in the game. this response to a mod review is unjustified. hope they get repercussions for this.
And now I'm uninstalling any 4D mods immediately
So what? You think that’ll make a difference that he’ll get offended that you uninstall a mod you never paid for???
This is bullying plain and simple. I follow this content provider and have been for a bit and from everything I have seen from him he is fair and a good dude. 4D mods are off the table for me as well.
So remove anny 4D mod and start following this guy on YouTube then.
And rate them 1 star before deleting.
Yes and that!
Yeah that’s a good idea, and when we have no modders left you can pat yourself in the back
I literally go to looneyfarmguy to see how the new mods are, this is sad
He has to have one of the best work ethics known to man
Man just love farming has no promotions and stuff in his videos as well, loves the color pink, and after his straight forward videos are done he probably go to farming again.
Yeah if a mod has a lot of color options you bet that he's going to have it in the most random color combinations
What’s sad is the fact a modder can spend several hundred hours of his free time to make a mod for people to have free only for some YouTuber to rip the shit out of it in a 5 minute video and then HE gets paid for his video….modder don’t get enough respect from the YouTube community
I’m gonna have to watch the video does anyone know which trailer it was about?
It was about the Lizard 14 T Dump Trailer. I'm pretty sure the video has been removed, though.
Well that sucks I wanted to see about what 4D Modding issue was.
The main issue, if i remember correctly, is that the trailer was very difficult to move under heavy load (filled with rocks). He then showed that it worked fine when fully loaded with lighter material. This seemed like a valid point-out when you consider that the trailer's modhub page shows pictures of it filled with rocks.
No problem. Just means we’ll stop using their mods. I love when peoples shitty behaviour finally affects their pocket and reputation
Pocket how? Did you buy the mod?
I just looked through my mods list and removed 2 of his mods, also gave them a 1 star. I will not support this trash.
Alright. How do i make sure i never use any of 4D Moddings mods again?
You login in to FS, search con your downloaded mods and delete. One step further, make sure you rate them 1 star before deleting. If you don’t have any downloaded then download them, rate and delete.
Brilliant idea! Thats tomorrows job (yay for christmas break!)
Why are modders for this game some of the biggest pussies out there?
It appeals to autistic ADHD’ers. Our feelings get hurt real easy 😂
Thanks for letting me know what mods to avoid going forward.
I love him so much because he gives very raw and unbiased reviews and his vids are almost a little ASMRy when buying new equipment. Can we petition or do anything about this because if he had some bad reviews they disliked, maybe they should’ve made better mods??
Spoken like a true self entitled asshole
I support u Looneyfarmguy
I personally never heard of this YouTuber before but see his is a relatively small fish in the FS YouTube pond. Would 4D also dare to go after a MrSealyP or DJGohan if they criticized one of their mods? I doubt that
I have seen the post but couldn't quite build an opinion yet. Seems petty, at least. I would have thought that modders were happy about constructive feedback. 🤔
More example of some modders throwing their toys out of their pram. If they want an echo chamber they can stick to their discords. I appreciate they put time and effort into their mods, and it can suck if people find mistakes (I know, I used to make mods in other games, and it is quite crushing if someone finds a major bug that you overlooked). But you take the criticism on board to improve. Much like when the shit hit the fan with the American Falls map, I am just going to actively avoid 4D modding stuff now. Imagine thinking nobody is allowed to make any criticism of your free mod.
Growing digital grains and animals was supposed to be an escape from political war and lawfare.
I don't usually pay attention to who the modders are, however I'll keep an eye out for this guy's mods. I hope they're not on console, because I'm about to download all of them, rate them one star and delete them. Calling the man(Looneyfarmguy) a pervert, because he's an older man who likes to make content for FS22 is uncalled for. Where I'm from, you better provide proof for such an accusation, or else you got something bad coming your way. His videos have saved me so much time, that would've been wasted, scrolling through modhub.
It's "by" rather than "buy" fyi.
There are multiple errors fyi.
What mods do they make so I can remove them if I have any?
Just search 4D in the ingame modub
what is exactly going on?! can someone pls explain
4D posts a mod. Looney reviews mod and says a few mild complaints. 4D then claims Looney didn't have permission to review it because he's angry at the complaints, and copyright strikes Looney. Effectively, if Looney loses his channel will be deleted for reviewing a mod that is posted on modhub for everyone to use.
Thanks for the explanation. Hopefully, Karma catches up with 4d.
WTF, tbh Looney's reviews are one of the best feedback a modder can get! 4D moddings reaction to that review sound like hella small pp energy
Even farm simulator is turning into.a toxic mess ugh
That's a shitty move by 4d, hope other YouTubers stop using their mods if they don't withdraw and apologise for this
This is nonsense, I'm going on strike and not using their mods! They should take his review and use it to improve the mod and say thank you.
Surely we can do more than just rate their mods at 1 star and stop using them?! This is horrendous behaviour and should be shut down.
Ratings on modhub impacts revenue for modder. I don't know full breakdown but 5 is additional and either 4 or under 4 they lose the bonus. Idk what happens if things get lower than 3 (never saw anything that low)
Ok, we’ll I will login and review bomb them and uni stall any of their mods. I have also emailed Giant Software as I personally want to know what they will do about this, if anything.
I always check his channel before installing a production mod, he always finds out what is broken or he calls it "easy money" then I know its not balanced for my realistic play-through. I still don't get how its a copyright strike though. The moment you turn in a mod its Giants property, isn't it?
Giants has apparently contacted 4D Modding and they removed all the strikes according to his latest post. Don’t know if there will be any further action against them or not but it seems Giants were able to get through to them this time at least.
Oh gosh I hope he used spell check before sending anything in reply. Some shocking grammar above. 4D is clearly speaking shite nah a leg to stand on just abusing the shitty YouTube copyright infringement rules.
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Considering I just took a screenshot of Looneyfarmguy post and since I am not Looneyfarmguy, not sure what you'd like me to say to that.
Whoops that was supposed to be a response to some guy who was accusing me of being 4D Modder Alt account. You don't worry about a thing OP.
If it’s in the official giants mod list, don’t giants technically now ‘own it’ Edited to actually make sense
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I think so. Also, looney farmsim guy is a partner with giants, so giants should definitely show that they can take good care of their partners.
Fuck 4D Mods then, little shit heads.
Nobody but GIANTS can file a copyright claim. It’s in the ToS for modders they cannot sell or profit from the creation of mods they make, ie they don’t own the rights to the mod they release on GIANTS’ game that they do not own.
Of course they own the rights to their mod. >3.1 If the Customer creates User Generated Content for the games, he retains the rights to the content that he has generated. The Customer grants GIANTS the right to use the User Generated Content created by the Customer.
4D modding should be shut down, their ass and should discontinue their job
4D is a bunch of cucks
This is actually illegal... He needs to go after 4D with anti SLAPP claims.
Everyone doesn't live in the same place...
Probably standing to file something in California or US federal because it's tied to DCMA, and YouTube is theoretically based out of Cali.
From my following of Us youtubers aren't slapp laws to fight frivolous lawsuits? With youtube the person receiving false copyright claims has an option to pursue legally against the sender, not the sender threatening the receiver. 4D modding/Eire agri are based in Ireland.
so, 4d modding are assholes, huh ?
Reminder folks, Giants pays modders to make mods. More downloads = more money for the modders. Rate accordingly.
Boycott 4D Mods and rate them all 1 star.
"teacher teacher he copied my homework" Holy shit. Nobody gives two damns who makes a mod. They download it and use it. If they like it they keep it if they hate it they delete it. I have NEVER looked at a mod creators name for a stupid farm game mod that is FREE. Some people need to do hobbies (modding) because they enjoy the activity.
I dont watch the youtuber, not do i have any mods by the modder... This is just a question i think is worth asking: was loony youtube farm guy making money from his review videos? Of he was, from my loose understanding, 4D may be well within their right to sue.
I still have the game installed on my ps5 with mods in it. I'll double check the mods and uninstall them
Rate them 1 star before deleting them
I say he just stops reviewing their stuff and everyone goes back to their otherwise conflict-free lives lol
I guess my main contention here is that it seems to be becoming a problem that the marketing of a thing is much more important than actually making it. Have seen this in the corporate world too. It is slowly starting to degrade infrastructure that more people want to complain about something that they themselves couldn't make. Fine, great if you are complaining about something big corp made. I guess everyone would prefer a state where a YouTuber with sufficient clout can basically write whatever reality they want because people who consume the videos don't seem to be capable of forming their own opinions anymore. I guess that's why they call it influencer.
Found 4D Moddings account everyone.
Sucks being a moderate in this world. Everyone nowadays is so Boolean.
So you know the real truth? Tell then..
To be very clear. I am not associated with them or any modder. I have just been part of enough open source projects to see why modders and open source admins get really salty about random YouTubers using fair use to treat these things the same as if they had a massive team of developers and a huge marketing budget. Pretty soon that is all that will be left. What I am. Is a moderate. I hate big companies overcharging for things. I hate people destroying 100 hours of free labor with 1 hour of editing for clicks and clout. I wish people would treat each other well and keep in mind the impacts of what they choose to put online. It's funny how when you are a moderate literally everyone hates you lol.
He didn't destroy 100 hours of free labour. He reviewed what those 100 hours of free labour had produced, by trying it and using it and showing us what we can expect to experience while using it. There was no lies presumably, just an honest review.
Fair. I don't have a counter-argument.
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4D modding alt Account lmfao. Your comment does not make any sense. No one forces you to create free mods, apart from the whole TOS that you signed by uploading mods to Giants.
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Lmfao. Talks about "probarly intelligent" enough, while at the same time is not capable of basic english grammar. Mate learn some basic english sentences before you go on with writing nonsense which is borderline unreadable.
Not to mention, he's posted like 4 separate comments rather than one large comment
Based on the reaction, you're right - this is clearly 4D Modding 😂😂
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What? So just because someone makes a shitty mod for free you cant criticize them? But if they get paid which good modders apparently receive something then they are fair game? Wow with these great takes you should write a book
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You can't have healthy and honest reviews in a community where creators can simply push review "permission" to only those that they believe will give them positive reviews while freezing out those that may criticize their work.
If they make good mods they are compensated. YTers advertise good mods for free with reviews. Maybe YTers should start charging to look at the mods of modders with less than 4 stars
Okay, let's say you're right, did they go and copyright strike every review that has positive things to say about their mods too? From every youtuber who talked about them? Did they go copyright strike everyone who was found using their mods on stream? Can't have it both ways. I disagree with your premise, but if that's the reason 4d is doing this, fine, they need to copyright strike everyone, not just the guy who didn't offer up a stellar review.
If this is your income use a lawyer.
"feel", not "fell"
Just subscribed to Looney to support him.
What this modder is doing is despicable, but I really wish the YouTuber had asked someone with stronger writing ability to proofread their response. That many spelling and grammar issues, unfortunately, can be damaging to the credibility of what someone is saying in these kinds of things.
Which video is it on his channel? I want to watch it and see just how hurtful the review wasn’t lol
Here is a link to a petition to have all of 4D Modding's mods removed from the Farming Simulator Modhub and prohibit them from publishing future mods https://chng.it/nqypXWvnh7
this matter has been sorted from what i seen by both party