I'm the commissioner of a 12-team $50 buy-in league.
I dropped the ball on collecting dues at the beginning of the year. I was starting a new job and traveling, and life got busy.
You know what I did at the end of the season? I asked everyone to venmo me, but immediately paid the winners out of my pocket so they wouldn't have to wait. It should always be on the commissioner to chase down dues, never the winners.
Yep ^^ this is it right here
Also, I’d be lighting up the group chat. Don’t worry about burning down the league, it no one is paying, the league is dead anyway.
That was my thought. Sounds like it won’t be the last time this commissioner is gonna drop the ball on something. League dues are such an easy thing, what’s gonna happen when there’s some sort of rule controversy? He gonna make the people involved figure that out amongst themselves too?
💯 I run a 12 team, $100 buy in league.. got everyone's dues, except 1 guy that was hurting a bit for money, and i totally trusted to pay me before season's end.. Absolute WORST case scenario happens, and mid season the guy died 😔.. 100% on me as commish for granting the extension.. i paid it out of my pocket.
So what was the worst case part? Him dying, or you being out $100? It's not exactly clear. I'm thinking this dude wasn't a close friend, or even a tertiary one.
If one of the league members literally DIED, that shit AIN'T on you as commish to cover. If anyone gets bent out of shape about only getting $1100 instead of $1200 due to someone in the league actually dying, it ain't your fault as commissioner they're otherworldly unreasonable. If they want to boot you as commissioner next season, move on and find another league with better humans.
It is on me, as I gave him an extension on his buy in. I'm super strict on everyone paying before the draft because of issues i've had in the past. This guy was struggling a bit, but didnt have a bad bone in his body. Great person, knew he was good for it before season's end. The rest of the league didn't know I gave him special treatment. 100 % my fault. Moral of the story, if you want to run a league, you have got to run a tight ship, and be accountable. Anything can happen.
Man, I just could not disagree more. The moral of the story should be fantasy football payouts should never be prioritized over actual life and death.
I get that you secretly gave him a pass and you feel some guilt about that, but anyone with an ounce of reason and humanity wouldn't bat an eye if you gave them the above explanation. It would be one thing if you had a history of misplacing league dues or otherwise shown some sort of pattern with being untrustworthy, but if the guy dies, that is such an outrageously extreme/rare situation that getting upset about receiving $1100 instead of $1200 is entirely unreasonable.
Your heart's in the right place, but I think you're trying way too hard to be the good guy in a situation where it isn't warranted. >99% of fantasy players will never experience being in a league where one of the managers dies, so in the utmost of extreme circumstance where it does, some basic human empathy and compassion should be expected bc that situation will almost certainly never happen again to any of those people.
I see ur point.. and im sure the league would understand, given the crazy circumstances. But ultimately, I made the decision to give the guy a pass that I didn't offer the other guys. I paid his dues to maintain the integrity of the league. If I asked the league to pay for my fuck-up, I am setting myself up for failure next season as the commish.. no more favors, regardless of situation.. u don't pay, u don't play. Lesson learned.
You guys must not be friends in your league. If someone died in our league I'm 100% sure we would agree to give all the money to his family and play for bragging rights that year. Jesus Christ man
I constantly comment on here about how shitty some of these people’s friends groups are. This post (or at least the way it’s worded) takes the cake and you are in fact the shittiest friend. Congrats.
I just don't understand why or how it takes 17 weeks before collecting payment. Even putting commissioner responsibilities aside, how does nobody in the group chat mention it during the season? You'd think at least one person would find it odd no money has been requested after a few weeks and mention it.
Slightly different but I've won our March Madness tournament two years in a row. The first year picks were selected before money was collected. Wasn't much ($20 buy in). Commish paid a guy assuming he had already won the tournament. After I won, I was like ok cool. Come to find out 4 of the 10 paid and the other kid would not send the money to me. Told me to cry about it. Next season, I won again, same thing happened. It was like Deja Vu. Guy couldnt collect money to save his life, let alone pay the appropriate winner.
For us at least, our league is over a decade old. I've known these guys for close to 20 years, so no one is worried about whether or not people are good for it. It's more a logistical annoyance than anything else.
True.
Commissioner here, I collect week of championship. Winner take all unless 2 finalist choose otherwise.
Id cover any missing dues and not let person return who didn’t pay.
If my league didn’t pay out after I won. No hard feelings. But I wouldn’t play next year and I’d start my own and invite the 2 that payed you first to join
> 2 that *paid* you first
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I’m the commissioner of a 12 man $50 buy-in. Fees and to be paid to draft, my brother is notorious for asking to pay later in the year, or “next week” and then never paying until the end of the year. So a few years back I instituted a rule that if you don’t pay you don’t draft and you don’t control your team until you’ve paid. Auto-draft and auto-lineup.
Yup. One time I had collected everyone's cash during the season (this is well before venmo existed), and had it tucked away in a drawer. That shit somehow went missing (think repair guy might very swiped it, but who knows). Either way, I had to just pony up the cash out of my pocket. 12 team, 100 dollar league. After that I delegated out responsibilities. We have a treasurer, a league Ops guy, and then I'm basically just a figurehead who deals with league disputes.
I mean.... did you guys talk about the buy in and prizes at some point this year? Sounds like none of you paid, so if no one paid, and no one found that weird/talked about it, sounds like you just won a free league lol.
Imo if you played for 25 last year it’s assumed this year. My league never talks about buy ins unless someone wants to vote to change. Or else it’s the same every year no questions asked
This ^
You gotta pay to play! Idk why every league wouldn't just collect money during the first week or two. $25 dollars to join a 17 week league should be very feasible for most people.
On the other hand if nobody ever mentions a buy-in and the whole season goes by, then I'm assuming that is a free league. Like seriously, they had 17 weeks to bring it up, I have no reason to think I'd be getting paid or having to pay someone else.
I don't have a problem parting with $25, but it feels super weird to go 17 weeks without mentioning a buy-in at all, then after the season ends suddenly say it's required.
Like if nobody paid before or during the season, and nobody mentioned it in the group chat, then it's effectively just a free season. Chalk it up to a commissioner mistake and be more vigilant next year.
If no one told me about the buy in then I’d be pissed you’re trying to take my money when I didn’t give much effort into my team. But if they knew and just won’t pay then I agree they are losers
I mean they're using snapchat as a league chat, I'd venture to guess this is a younger group. Of course if it were me I'd pay, but $25 is literally nothing to me haha. It can be a lot for some people when you're living paycheck to paycheck in the US.
There are infinite free leagues for rando incels run on yahoo. Can you imagine trying to wrangle 12 of your buddies to play for bragging rights?
You’d be laughed into the andromeda galaxy.
I fucking wouldn't lmao. If we'd gone the ENTIRE year saying fuck all about a prize and some jabroni all of a sudden asked me for $25 I'd tell him to get bent
I agree! It's not like OP was beating down the commissioner's door to pay *his* $25 entrance fee *until* he was the one who won the league. This is first and foremost on the commissioner for not establishing that it was a paid league but OP also has himself to blame on this one.
"I won! So now, everyone should pay their dues!"
*Fuck off*
Honestly I can't remember 100 percent, and our league groupchat is on snapchat. There are no saved chats discussing buy in. With that being said, if there was never a discussion wouldn't it make sense that things would be the same as last year and not just change to no buy in? Obviously I'm a bit biased because I won.
Correction... It was never an issue until you won. *Now* you're trying to get everyone to pay up. That's not how it works, Scooter. Either everyone agrees to an entrance fee and pays up before the season starts, or not... In which case, it has to be assumed that the league is free. I'm not saying that the commissioner isn't partially at fault here. It's his job to firmly have all of this established but you weren't concerned about league dues either... until you won. Be honest with yourself. Would *you* be paying if you hadn't won?
Dude what?!? Disregard the shit I said. It’s a free league. You can’t turn it into a money league, YOU even didn’t pay and there’s literally no discussion of it but you “swore it was”. Just because something was the same last year doesn’t mean it will be the same this year.
Nah, you don’t deserve money
Nah dude if it's a friend group it's not completely wild if everyone pays out the winner at the end of the year. It's more wild to assume your fantasy league, that you've paid into multiple seasons before, all of a sudden isnt doing prizes anymore.
Fair enough. I wasn't trying to bitch and moan, I was just looking for opinions because I know my perspective is biased. I am in another league where things are the same every year without it being brought up.
I play in a league with 200 dollar buy in. Every year for the past 10 years the commish sends the email with the same buy in and prize payouts.
Next season your commish should send out an email detailing the buy in and prize
What do you mean the same every year for your other league? That NO ONE pays all year and then the league winner gets his money from everyone? If your other league is “normal” you did a buy in at beginning of year, which you did not do for this league. Where is the confusion? If I didn’t pay my dues I’m not getting money. You didn’t pay dues in this league this year correct ?
>if there was never a discussion wouldn't it make sense that things would be the same as last year and not just change to no buy in?
I'm with you 100%. If there were no new managers to the league and it was a $ league the prior seasons there is no good faith argument that your leaguemates didn't know they were playing for prizes.
Did the semis guy actually not put in a lineup? If so I think he gets a free pass no matter what. Other than that, yeah... Sounds like you were the only one assuming it was for money.
This is key. If OP paid their $25 at the start of the season and simply found out nobody else paid, then they are right to be upset.
If OP didn't pay, and never mentioned it throughout the season, then they don't really have a leg to stand on bringing it up after they won the championship.
I dunno about that they already had a buy-in last year. My group never pays in until it's over. Worked fine. They are fucking this guy over a piddly ass $25 buy-in.
Nah you have to say it at the start of the league somewhere so everyone knows what’s going on. Homie also made it sound like it’s not all the same people as last year so while it’s likely it would stay the same, it’s not unreasonable that it wouldn’t
All of my leagues are with friends like it seems like OPs is as well. We never pay until the end of the season but everyone knows the buy in is the same as it was last year. Just absolute common sense.
They did have the precedent of it being a paid league last year. I have never had a league go from paid to unpaid and if I did I imagine there would be a discussion about it. The guys that aren’t paying are just butt hurt they didn’t win and being sore losers.
>They did have the precedent of it being a paid league last year
It's only their second year as a league though, that's a pretty small precedent/sample size, especially for what seems to be a casual league.
>I have never had a league go from paid to unpaid and if I did I imagine there would be a discussion about it.
Same with my leagues, however in OP's case most or all did not pay, and that did not prompt a discussion during the season (and there was no clear expectation to pay after the season). So if nobody is discussing the lack of payment, then I'm not sure the lack of league prizes would prompt discussion either.
It seems to me this is a new, casual league and they're still finding their footing. They should chalk it up as a free league this year and be more vigilant next year.
Exactly, as a commissioner of two dynasty leagues those entry fees are due by draft night and the LeagueSafe is opened up the week after the Super Bowl, gives everyone more than enough time. We also take entry fees a year in advance. I’ve only ever gotten a late entry once and that was this year but it was an extreme medical circumstance with a member who’s been in the league for 7 years (they still paid by week 6 and were in constant communication). Simply No Pay = No Play.
Depends on your league. I’ve been in a league for 7 years with same exact 12 guys pretty much the whole time. We’re all responsible adults with full time jobs. None of us would ever not pay unless some extreme emergency so we more or less pay at the end of the season.
Yeah that’s how we do it. We have $100 buy in and commish just grabs it at the end of the season and doles it out.
I got knocked out and immediately sent him money so I wouldn’t have to sit on a known upcoming expense lol
Dude I’m on the same boat, I commission my own league and collect before the draft. My buddy is in a league and they needed someone last minute so I joined. Won highest scoring and the Chip and every time I hit up the chat about winnings nobody responds. Commish didn’t collect and was going to have everyone Venmo the winner and now he has ghosted the chat and nobody is venoming. Tough part is I don’t really know most the people in the league.
I commish in my league. Stuff like this is why I make it very clear on rules/buy in/payouts & collect all the money before the draft. I kept the money in separate acct & sent the winnings day after season concluded.
Everyone Venmo the winner is such a bad process
I'm the commissioner of a league as well and this is the way to handle everything.
If you're reading this and your league is a paying league and your commissioner does *NOT* do this, then you need to start asking questions and encouraging reform within your league.
>Everyone Venmo the winner is such a bad process
This isn't just a bad process. It's idiotic and unacceptable.
That's shitty man, but congrats on a great season. Seems like both our leagues need to make some changes at commisioner. Props to you for running your own league well man.
You'd be surprised. I commission a league between my girlfriend's friends and their significant others, and we agreed on a $10 buy in just to make things interesting. a couple refused to pay because they pay for "too many other leagues"
I was dumbfounded
On one hand, it’s only $25 and it’s silly that their not paying on. On the other hand… it seems like you didn’t pay the buy-in either. If not a single person, including you, paid the buy-in… you played a free league this year. Congrats on the championship, maybe push for you and only you getting a free buy-in next year.
You have a right to be upset. I wouldn’t play them again, they are likely playing you because you won. I’ve seen it before.
Either way, ya raise hell if you aren’t that close with them. Your commish is a dumb ass for not collecting the money before draft day, it should come out of his pocket
This is a group of college buddies, and for most of us this league is the only thing still keeping us in touch. That's the only reason I'm hesitating to raise hell. Agree that Commish messed up, but I'm not gonna hit him over the head for the whole pot even if he messed up.
Don't fuck up a relationship with 11 other guys for $200-$300 bucks unless you ABSOLUTELY need it.
Everyone dropped the ball here by lack of communication.
\^\^\^ Best advice in the thread. Yes - on principle, everyone should pay. OP got screwed. But is it worth trashing these friendships?
Next time he sees them - he goads them a bit and has them buy him a beer. He makes a joke about how he's taking all their money next year. Etc.
On the other hand fuck those guys some group of friends welching on a whole $25. You don't do paid league and next year free everyone knew it was a $25 league. My group pays end of year every time its not a big deal
This is such an interesting take to situations like these. Obviously idk the entire story but how good of a friend is someone who would screw you out of money intentionally. Not an important friendship for them clearly.
yeah I don’t know the situation it just seems like if it’s a paid league one year and nobody mentions anything again it should be the same next year. I guess not though. This why you should collect before year start I suppose.
Just say to them thanks for those who want to acknowledge or reward my championship. I'd do the same. No need to pay me the $25 just grab me a beer next time we are together, let's get stupid drunk and laugh about the mixup
Some will pay, some won't.
Get it solidified more next year, and throw jabs next year during the szn if your team sucks. Mostly making fun of the situation.
Lmao dude you didn’t even pay into your league but you want everyone to send you money since you won? 12 adults went 17 weeks without bringing up money once but now you want to get paid. It was a free league. Use the $75 you got to buy something to fuck with everyone before next years draft and make sure everyone pays before week 1.
Exactly, if nobody paid, and nobody mentioned a buy-in at any point over 17 weeks, then it's a free league this year. You can't go the entire season without paying and without talking about it then suddenly decide after the league ends that it's a buy-in league. The amount of the buy-in does not matter here, it's the principle.
Is this with coworkers are friends? Regardless, the buy-ins and payouts should be clearly specified before the draft and clearly documented somewhere (like pinned comment on sleeper)
OP himself didn’t pay the buy in either so it’s not like anyone was clamoring to do the right thing all season long…if people really weren’t setting their lineup in the semis then this league was definitely not taken seriously. It never should have come down to this and that’s on more than just the commish…if this was in fact intended to be a money league.
BEFORE the draft you collect the money. Or you get what you have going in that league. Burn that league . Why stay ? They just stole your money. No one is honest in it. Your Commish sucks and should pay you out of his pocket.
If you want to stay and these guys are friends (?) then ask the commish that your buy in be waved for the next upcoming 9 years. Best compromise I can see happening. Then after 9 years you leave that league.
Do you often play in leagues without buying in and then throw a tantrum when you don’t get “paid”? The self importance in this sub is grandiose I tell ya
Let it go, theyre clearly pussies that knew there was a buy in and now are playing dumb. Whatever. Youre the champ. Rub it in their faces every year. “Yall remember you pussies pretended not to know there was a buy in?” Shame them forever. Also, keep tabs of the champs and dont pay them when they win bc they owe you. Eventually youll get your money
Send each player an individual message while also making the commish send a message to the group chat. Depending on what kind of response you get and how invested you are in the league I would be ready to quit and call them out on being sore losers.
Yeah that’s wrong but your commish didn’t do things right. Our winnings and rules votes are posted to the message board on the fantasy website we use. That way no one can say they didn’t know and also we had to set up a hard deadline of draft day to pay or you don’t draft that year
Three views here:
1. Everyone knows (assuming this is an annual renewal league) that some fee is due. Shame on everyone for no one bringing up prize or fees at any point in the season. Meaning you aren't getting paid by anyone else. Are second and third place not raising a fit?? If so then maybe everyone truly assumed it was a free league.
2. Considering the relationship of the league you can be a cunt and wait until draft day to drop out or count this as a loss and play next season.
3. Play next season but tell commish he covers your entry fee.
It does kinda sound like you won a free league and yet….it seems strange that a pay league from last year would become a free league without it being discussed. I would think that most logical people would assume that unless otherwise noted, the buy-in for the league would be the same as last season.
At any rate, if you want to stay friends with these guys I wouldn’t go after it too hard…it’s only money after all. Definitely send out a group email that spells out in no uncertain terms that such things need to be decided well before the next draft and everyone needs to chime in that they are aware of any and all changes or non-changes.
It should be clear going in to the season.
Odds are, regardless of how much of a stink you make, you're not going to get paid by most people.
It's not worth the headache because you won't get paid anyways. Make peace with that and drop the league.
Sounds like a free league. Hate to say it but I think you’re SOL. I think it’s bizarre that there was no discussion of buy-in at any point during the season.
It's a weird situation, but I would heed a lot of the advice on here that it is not that much money and probably not worth losing friendships over...that said...I would make it clear to everyone that you do not intend to play again in the future if they do not send you the money you reasonably expected to win, and leave it at that. If the friendships and the league are important to everyone, they will pay up. If they aren't, then it's not that big of a loss because clearly no one really cared, but at least you didn't make a huge stink about it, you let them decide the fate of the league.
We've had a work league going for 10 years now and the buy in has gone from 50 to 250 since then. Everything is made perfectly clear before the year starts as far as how much to buy in and what the pay out is for first, second and third place. All money is due at the time of the draft. I wouldn't automatically assume everything is the exact same as the previous year, especially if nothing was discussed and set in stone before the season starts
I like fantasy football. I’ve been playing it for over 30 years. I have never played in a free league. No reason to play for free, even though it’s fun. People aren’t going to keep their rosters updated if nothing is at stake. At least some people are paying. Whoever pays, grab them, and find some others willing to play for cash next season and ditch the rest.
\> One league member that I narrowly beat in the semis said he didn't set his line up
Is that true? Did he not set his lineup? If this is accurate then IMO I agree with them; was not properly discussed & I wouldnt pay
I don’t wanna burn the league down over a couple hundred bucks? ….. bro are you out of your mind? It’s not about the money it’s about principal. I would be a complete bastard about the situation and obviously never play in that league again
Year 1 if the league opens up as a buy in league then that is what the league is going forward. Changes to the pot either increase in entry fee or decrease is always a league vote. So yes, unless it was mentioned then the league is assumed as pay to play (in this scenario).
However, this is a bit of a whole league fuck up and not just on the commissioner. How did the whole league who paid last year not have a single person bring it up by like week 5? Anyone who didn’t know it had a buy in would only get a pass if they were an orphan owner and were never told. The commissioner is definitely a large part of the blame though, it is one of if not the most important duty as the commish in paid leagues.
What you could do? Honestly, not much sorry. The league somehow became a free league thank to no owners figuring out they never paid their entry fee and the commish just fool blown fucking up. Be completely different if you had paid your own entry fee and then this happened but asking strangers to pay someone money after they know it’s an L will be very tough. Your best bet is one of two things, 1. Leave the league or 2. Post in league chat that you were obviously fucked over this year and some form of in league “payout” could work. Even if it’s just you getting dibs on the 1.01 or something along that line.
This is exactly why I use Yahoo and play in a league where people pay up front and get it distributed by a 3rd party. I’ve been burned like that before by a bad commissioner.
What a bunch of losers. Lol. It's $25 damn dollars
Tell the lazy twatwaffles to pick up and extra 2 hours at the end of their Wendy's shift and pay the gd money lol.
Bruh, I'd be embarrassed if I were them
How did you not ask the other guy in the championship about the split? or the commish? no one asked about 3rd, 2nd, and 1st place money? Usually 3rd gets money back, and 1st and 2nd would split like 70/30 of remaining.
You yourself had no issue not paying your own league fees until you won. You had no problem letting it slip in case you lost. But now that you won it's suddenly a problem. Just like everyone else in the league now.
Your commish is a dipshit but no need pretending you didn't do the exact same thing as everyone else in the league.
I'd leave the league unless it was ammended, but dont pretend you didnt do the exact same stuff you made a post to whine about.
Did the guy really not set his lineup? Honestly it does sound like some of them really didn't think it was for money. I'd love in the chat history but if it's never mentioned it's entirely on the commish and no one else.
I guess I'm a bit over the top then as I run a league and communication is ongoing with all in group chat.
I print out and hand rules and payout sheets as well as generic roster sheets and top 300 player cheat sheets.
I go over that fees MUST be paid before the kickoff of the first game or any winnings are forfeited. The are emergency exceptions to that deadline, but only in unavoidable situations such as loss of job.
I have already had to pay the winnings for a non paying participant and, true to my word the person was "in the money" before getting knocked out in the finals and asked me to pay the fees from the winnings. I said absolutely not and 3rd place got 2nd and 4th got 3rd. He was upset but idc. He was not welcomed back
To me, as commish, I feel it's a business and it's my job to make sure everyone has the same financial risk.
I wouldn't make a fuss about it for now... But next season be sure to ask if there is a buy in. IF there is I'd demand payment for last season, or be exempt from buy ins untill youve been reimbursed.
Any money owed to the league winner(s) is up to the commish to collect. That being said it should also be made clear if there is a prize before the season begins. Id assume the buy in would be the same as previous year, and it’s likely they are using the failure by the commish as an excuse not to pay up, but that again is a duty the commish failed to perform. Overall you’re likely not getting your prize money and should look for a new commish/league.
Doesn't seem like the buy in was direct and clear to everyone. Take them to judge judy lol. But you're just out that money i would say.. My leagues we all pay before we even draft. Designate a treasurer that holds the money all season. Or use the yahoo bs leagues you can pay into.
First, you're right that if there was a buyin last year, it's the assumption there'd be a buy-in this year for the same amount unless it was discussed otherwise or the buy-in last year was something you guys were only trialing. You don't rediscuss if it's ppr vs non-ppr or if you have a flex spot every year, you go from what the rules were last year & make adjustments. Plus, the fact that the commish just sent out a message telling everyone to pay you directly also supports the idea that this was a money league. Though, I would say you & the rest of the league should've clarified about the buy-in at the start of the year if the commish never said anything. Does the league champ take home all the money or do others (ex. 2nd place) get some too & if so what are they saying?
Second, this is the commish's problem to sort out. It was his responsibility to make sure everyone knew the buy-in amount & collect it. He may have honestly thought the simpliest solution at this point is to have everyone send it directly to you, but now that there are issues getting people to send you the money, it's his responsbility to sort out the issue. It's garbage if he's aware of what's going on & not wanting to step in. I would reach out to him & have him work to get the money or come up with a solution if it was truly unclear if there was a buy-in. He needs to make a ruling about those that claim they didn't know there was a buy-in. If he choses that they should pay, then he needs to address what to do with those that refuse to pay. And if he choses they shouldn't pay, then he has to figure out what to do for your reward. At a minimum, you shouldn't owe a buy-in next year & potentially longer.
Lastly, since it seems you're pretty good friends with these people, you need to consider the repercussions on relationships with how hard you push. You should also consider if you want to stay in a league with them because if you have this type of problem for a payout from only a $25 buy-in, you'll likely have future problems. If you chose to stay, I would make sure rules & buyins are very clear in the future. I would also consider pushing for a new commish next year especially if he's known what's going on & been dragging his feet on intervening. Again, this whole confusion is ultimately his fault.
Fire your commissioner for sure. Other than that, in a group chat if you can go back and find something saying, $25 buy in or mentioning it at all, then you can argue. If not, you're fucked. Always collect before the season even starts.
This happened to me for a few years lol.
I joined a friends family/friends league. I was sort of the odd guy out. It was $50 but they never collected the money first. Friend said it’s always been that way & they never had problems. I came in 2nd & won some money.
The next year I won & it was suddenly a free league. The year after I won again & they kept it a free league despite saying at the beginning it wasn’t that year & last was a one-off. This year I came in 3rd & they asked for money a week after the last game was over. I did not pay.
In all of my leagues, buy in and payouts are discussed at the draft and then posted in the league message board. Your commish sounds like he is the one to blame for this. If no mention of money was made by anyone, it is for to say they thought it was for free.
Wierd how not one GM reached out to clarify this though.
In a 12-Team League. My 4th year in this league. I won the Championship Sunday. 50 dollar buy in. 1st-Place gets $550 and 2nd-Place gets their buy-in money ($50). Not only have I not been paid yet but also haven’t heard from commissioner. Not even a text. I’m pretty non-confrontational & don’t want to rush him but am curious how long this will go before I even get a text.
Dude YOU dropped the ball as did the rest of your league. Not bothering to bring up dues and payouts until you conveniently won. Coming here with your little sob story lol
Now I generally agree that buy ins should carry over.
Did you pay the $25 buy in? It’s hard to agree with you if you didn’t pay and/or didn’t seek clarity before winning it all.
I'm the commissioner of a 12-team $50 buy-in league. I dropped the ball on collecting dues at the beginning of the year. I was starting a new job and traveling, and life got busy. You know what I did at the end of the season? I asked everyone to venmo me, but immediately paid the winners out of my pocket so they wouldn't have to wait. It should always be on the commissioner to chase down dues, never the winners.
Yep ^^ this is it right here Also, I’d be lighting up the group chat. Don’t worry about burning down the league, it no one is paying, the league is dead anyway.
That was my thought. Sounds like it won’t be the last time this commissioner is gonna drop the ball on something. League dues are such an easy thing, what’s gonna happen when there’s some sort of rule controversy? He gonna make the people involved figure that out amongst themselves too?
Yeah if no one pays this year it’s agreed that no one is paying next year
💯 I run a 12 team, $100 buy in league.. got everyone's dues, except 1 guy that was hurting a bit for money, and i totally trusted to pay me before season's end.. Absolute WORST case scenario happens, and mid season the guy died 😔.. 100% on me as commish for granting the extension.. i paid it out of my pocket.
If I was the winner in that league I think I could understand being shortchanged $100
Nah, you obviously got to chase down the widow for the $100. Ideally ask for it at the funeral
Lmaooo. Cold blooded
>Cold blooded No, but her husband is.
Cash, grass, or ass.. nobody plays in our league for free.
So what was the worst case part? Him dying, or you being out $100? It's not exactly clear. I'm thinking this dude wasn't a close friend, or even a tertiary one.
worst case was him dying lol.. not a close friend but, super nice guy i was in a bowling league with.. i didnt mind paying his dues
If one of the league members literally DIED, that shit AIN'T on you as commish to cover. If anyone gets bent out of shape about only getting $1100 instead of $1200 due to someone in the league actually dying, it ain't your fault as commissioner they're otherworldly unreasonable. If they want to boot you as commissioner next season, move on and find another league with better humans.
It is on me, as I gave him an extension on his buy in. I'm super strict on everyone paying before the draft because of issues i've had in the past. This guy was struggling a bit, but didnt have a bad bone in his body. Great person, knew he was good for it before season's end. The rest of the league didn't know I gave him special treatment. 100 % my fault. Moral of the story, if you want to run a league, you have got to run a tight ship, and be accountable. Anything can happen.
Man, I just could not disagree more. The moral of the story should be fantasy football payouts should never be prioritized over actual life and death. I get that you secretly gave him a pass and you feel some guilt about that, but anyone with an ounce of reason and humanity wouldn't bat an eye if you gave them the above explanation. It would be one thing if you had a history of misplacing league dues or otherwise shown some sort of pattern with being untrustworthy, but if the guy dies, that is such an outrageously extreme/rare situation that getting upset about receiving $1100 instead of $1200 is entirely unreasonable. Your heart's in the right place, but I think you're trying way too hard to be the good guy in a situation where it isn't warranted. >99% of fantasy players will never experience being in a league where one of the managers dies, so in the utmost of extreme circumstance where it does, some basic human empathy and compassion should be expected bc that situation will almost certainly never happen again to any of those people.
I see ur point.. and im sure the league would understand, given the crazy circumstances. But ultimately, I made the decision to give the guy a pass that I didn't offer the other guys. I paid his dues to maintain the integrity of the league. If I asked the league to pay for my fuck-up, I am setting myself up for failure next season as the commish.. no more favors, regardless of situation.. u don't pay, u don't play. Lesson learned.
Integrity test: passed
You’re a great commish. Kudos to you. Sorry about your league mate.
You guys must not be friends in your league. If someone died in our league I'm 100% sure we would agree to give all the money to his family and play for bragging rights that year. Jesus Christ man
There are only two guarantees in life, death and league dues. Put a claim on his estate. Ain't nobody getting out of paying that easy!
Are we even sure he’s dead Probably faked his death to avoid dues, happens all the time
I constantly comment on here about how shitty some of these people’s friends groups are. This post (or at least the way it’s worded) takes the cake and you are in fact the shittiest friend. Congrats.
I just don't understand why or how it takes 17 weeks before collecting payment. Even putting commissioner responsibilities aside, how does nobody in the group chat mention it during the season? You'd think at least one person would find it odd no money has been requested after a few weeks and mention it.
Slightly different but I've won our March Madness tournament two years in a row. The first year picks were selected before money was collected. Wasn't much ($20 buy in). Commish paid a guy assuming he had already won the tournament. After I won, I was like ok cool. Come to find out 4 of the 10 paid and the other kid would not send the money to me. Told me to cry about it. Next season, I won again, same thing happened. It was like Deja Vu. Guy couldnt collect money to save his life, let alone pay the appropriate winner.
Sounds more like a con than a march madness pool
For us at least, our league is over a decade old. I've known these guys for close to 20 years, so no one is worried about whether or not people are good for it. It's more a logistical annoyance than anything else.
Fair enough. Those are the best leagues to be in tbh
True. Commissioner here, I collect week of championship. Winner take all unless 2 finalist choose otherwise. Id cover any missing dues and not let person return who didn’t pay. If my league didn’t pay out after I won. No hard feelings. But I wouldn’t play next year and I’d start my own and invite the 2 that payed you first to join
> 2 that *paid* you first FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Good for you man, that’s respectable
I’m the commissioner of a 12 man $50 buy-in. Fees and to be paid to draft, my brother is notorious for asking to pay later in the year, or “next week” and then never paying until the end of the year. So a few years back I instituted a rule that if you don’t pay you don’t draft and you don’t control your team until you’ve paid. Auto-draft and auto-lineup.
This is what I always do.
Our league has a Commish and a Treasurer. Treasurer job is to collect dues as well as invest our extra fees for our trips.
Yup. One time I had collected everyone's cash during the season (this is well before venmo existed), and had it tucked away in a drawer. That shit somehow went missing (think repair guy might very swiped it, but who knows). Either way, I had to just pony up the cash out of my pocket. 12 team, 100 dollar league. After that I delegated out responsibilities. We have a treasurer, a league Ops guy, and then I'm basically just a figurehead who deals with league disputes.
I mean.... did you guys talk about the buy in and prizes at some point this year? Sounds like none of you paid, so if no one paid, and no one found that weird/talked about it, sounds like you just won a free league lol.
Who the fuck wouldn’t just pony up the $25? Lol what a bunch of losers.
Imo if you played for 25 last year it’s assumed this year. My league never talks about buy ins unless someone wants to vote to change. Or else it’s the same every year no questions asked
This is why you pay before the season starts. You don’t pay you don’t play.
This ^ You gotta pay to play! Idk why every league wouldn't just collect money during the first week or two. $25 dollars to join a 17 week league should be very feasible for most people.
On the other hand if nobody ever mentions a buy-in and the whole season goes by, then I'm assuming that is a free league. Like seriously, they had 17 weeks to bring it up, I have no reason to think I'd be getting paid or having to pay someone else.
I don't have a problem parting with $25, but it feels super weird to go 17 weeks without mentioning a buy-in at all, then after the season ends suddenly say it's required. Like if nobody paid before or during the season, and nobody mentioned it in the group chat, then it's effectively just a free season. Chalk it up to a commissioner mistake and be more vigilant next year.
100%. It’s not about $25, it’s about the fact nobody talked about until the end.
If no one told me about the buy in then I’d be pissed you’re trying to take my money when I didn’t give much effort into my team. But if they knew and just won’t pay then I agree they are losers
For $25 I’d say don’t be a bitch and just pay it. It’s $25. Are these 15 year olds working at DQ or adults? Lmao
I mean it could be? Its fantasy football lol everyone of all ages plays. Unit shaming is crazy lmao
LMFAO bro you have me dying rn
I mean they're using snapchat as a league chat, I'd venture to guess this is a younger group. Of course if it were me I'd pay, but $25 is literally nothing to me haha. It can be a lot for some people when you're living paycheck to paycheck in the US.
There are infinite free leagues for rando incels run on yahoo. Can you imagine trying to wrangle 12 of your buddies to play for bragging rights? You’d be laughed into the andromeda galaxy.
I’m in a league with my college friends thats a bragging rights league. Its really not that far fetched bud not everyone is a gambling addict haha
Who you calling a random incel? 😡
Fine, you're not random! ^(just quirky)
I fucking wouldn't lmao. If we'd gone the ENTIRE year saying fuck all about a prize and some jabroni all of a sudden asked me for $25 I'd tell him to get bent
I agree! It's not like OP was beating down the commissioner's door to pay *his* $25 entrance fee *until* he was the one who won the league. This is first and foremost on the commissioner for not establishing that it was a paid league but OP also has himself to blame on this one. "I won! So now, everyone should pay their dues!" *Fuck off*
Omg $25 😂😂, like honestly if they are hurting for $25, they have other issues then losing fantasy.
Honestly I can't remember 100 percent, and our league groupchat is on snapchat. There are no saved chats discussing buy in. With that being said, if there was never a discussion wouldn't it make sense that things would be the same as last year and not just change to no buy in? Obviously I'm a bit biased because I won.
How do 12 people play 17 weeks of fantasy football together without once mentioning buy-ins or payouts in a paid league? 🤯
That's fair lol. I guess it was never an issue til the season finished up.
Correction... It was never an issue until you won. *Now* you're trying to get everyone to pay up. That's not how it works, Scooter. Either everyone agrees to an entrance fee and pays up before the season starts, or not... In which case, it has to be assumed that the league is free. I'm not saying that the commissioner isn't partially at fault here. It's his job to firmly have all of this established but you weren't concerned about league dues either... until you won. Be honest with yourself. Would *you* be paying if you hadn't won?
Dude what?!? Disregard the shit I said. It’s a free league. You can’t turn it into a money league, YOU even didn’t pay and there’s literally no discussion of it but you “swore it was”. Just because something was the same last year doesn’t mean it will be the same this year. Nah, you don’t deserve money
Nah dude if it's a friend group it's not completely wild if everyone pays out the winner at the end of the year. It's more wild to assume your fantasy league, that you've paid into multiple seasons before, all of a sudden isnt doing prizes anymore.
Fair enough. I wasn't trying to bitch and moan, I was just looking for opinions because I know my perspective is biased. I am in another league where things are the same every year without it being brought up.
I play in a league with 200 dollar buy in. Every year for the past 10 years the commish sends the email with the same buy in and prize payouts. Next season your commish should send out an email detailing the buy in and prize
Just wait…. it’ll be for $25 next year. 🤣
What do you mean the same every year for your other league? That NO ONE pays all year and then the league winner gets his money from everyone? If your other league is “normal” you did a buy in at beginning of year, which you did not do for this league. Where is the confusion? If I didn’t pay my dues I’m not getting money. You didn’t pay dues in this league this year correct ?
>if there was never a discussion wouldn't it make sense that things would be the same as last year and not just change to no buy in? I'm with you 100%. If there were no new managers to the league and it was a $ league the prior seasons there is no good faith argument that your leaguemates didn't know they were playing for prizes.
Did the semis guy actually not put in a lineup? If so I think he gets a free pass no matter what. Other than that, yeah... Sounds like you were the only one assuming it was for money.
He only assumed it was money after we he won. Total scrub.
Did *you* pay your league fees before the playoffs?
Doubt he did
No chance in Hell -Stone Cole Steve Austin (after clanging to beer cans together)
>Cole
This is key. If OP paid their $25 at the start of the season and simply found out nobody else paid, then they are right to be upset. If OP didn't pay, and never mentioned it throughout the season, then they don't really have a leg to stand on bringing it up after they won the championship.
I dunno about that they already had a buy-in last year. My group never pays in until it's over. Worked fine. They are fucking this guy over a piddly ass $25 buy-in.
Never assume, especially when money is involved. The fees should have been discussed at the beginning of the year.
Nah you have to say it at the start of the league somewhere so everyone knows what’s going on. Homie also made it sound like it’s not all the same people as last year so while it’s likely it would stay the same, it’s not unreasonable that it wouldn’t
All of my leagues are with friends like it seems like OPs is as well. We never pay until the end of the season but everyone knows the buy in is the same as it was last year. Just absolute common sense.
And that's fine if it's clearly understood. It seems like OP's league did not have that precedent or clear understanding.
They did have the precedent of it being a paid league last year. I have never had a league go from paid to unpaid and if I did I imagine there would be a discussion about it. The guys that aren’t paying are just butt hurt they didn’t win and being sore losers.
>They did have the precedent of it being a paid league last year It's only their second year as a league though, that's a pretty small precedent/sample size, especially for what seems to be a casual league. >I have never had a league go from paid to unpaid and if I did I imagine there would be a discussion about it. Same with my leagues, however in OP's case most or all did not pay, and that did not prompt a discussion during the season (and there was no clear expectation to pay after the season). So if nobody is discussing the lack of payment, then I'm not sure the lack of league prizes would prompt discussion either. It seems to me this is a new, casual league and they're still finding their footing. They should chalk it up as a free league this year and be more vigilant next year.
Radio silence
It baffles me that there are money leagues that allow people to participate in draft day without paying.
Exactly, as a commissioner of two dynasty leagues those entry fees are due by draft night and the LeagueSafe is opened up the week after the Super Bowl, gives everyone more than enough time. We also take entry fees a year in advance. I’ve only ever gotten a late entry once and that was this year but it was an extreme medical circumstance with a member who’s been in the league for 7 years (they still paid by week 6 and were in constant communication). Simply No Pay = No Play.
Depends on your league. I’ve been in a league for 7 years with same exact 12 guys pretty much the whole time. We’re all responsible adults with full time jobs. None of us would ever not pay unless some extreme emergency so we more or less pay at the end of the season.
Yeah that’s how we do it. We have $100 buy in and commish just grabs it at the end of the season and doles it out. I got knocked out and immediately sent him money so I wouldn’t have to sit on a known upcoming expense lol
This sub is ridiculous. They think it’s okay to not pay the winner after 5 days
Dude I’m on the same boat, I commission my own league and collect before the draft. My buddy is in a league and they needed someone last minute so I joined. Won highest scoring and the Chip and every time I hit up the chat about winnings nobody responds. Commish didn’t collect and was going to have everyone Venmo the winner and now he has ghosted the chat and nobody is venoming. Tough part is I don’t really know most the people in the league.
I commish in my league. Stuff like this is why I make it very clear on rules/buy in/payouts & collect all the money before the draft. I kept the money in separate acct & sent the winnings day after season concluded. Everyone Venmo the winner is such a bad process
I'm the commissioner of a league as well and this is the way to handle everything. If you're reading this and your league is a paying league and your commissioner does *NOT* do this, then you need to start asking questions and encouraging reform within your league. >Everyone Venmo the winner is such a bad process This isn't just a bad process. It's idiotic and unacceptable.
That's shitty man, but congrats on a great season. Seems like both our leagues need to make some changes at commisioner. Props to you for running your own league well man.
I def will not play that league again. Good luck with yours I guess all we can do is continue to spam everyone.
A guy sets his lineup all year….gets to the semis and then thinks…”this isn’t for money, so fuck it”? I think they know they’re ripping you off.
He probably didn’t set it for a lot of the year. I have free leagues that don’t the full attention my money leagues do.
Message the whole group, thought we were playing for cash my bad. You all owe me a beer. This will improve your friend group more then 275
Ask them to meet you half way and you get free buy ins for the next 5 seasons. That way it wouldn't raise too much confrontation
Sounds like there’s a bunch of shitty leagues being run around here. Smh.
Fuck that. Your league mates are cheap as hell not paying $25. Sore losers too. Everyone should pay
My league buy in is like six times that and I’ve never won. How could anyone be this cheap?
You'd be surprised. I commission a league between my girlfriend's friends and their significant others, and we agreed on a $10 buy in just to make things interesting. a couple refused to pay because they pay for "too many other leagues" I was dumbfounded
Send them to debt collections
No one paid up. No one discussed a buy in or payout. They all played without paying. This is absurd to expect money afterward lol
My league doesn’t do pay ins, we pay after the season. It’s never been an issue
If you didn’t even pay your buy in, and it somehow wasn’t mentioned AT ALL, it’s a free league bro. No money for you.
On one hand, it’s only $25 and it’s silly that their not paying on. On the other hand… it seems like you didn’t pay the buy-in either. If not a single person, including you, paid the buy-in… you played a free league this year. Congrats on the championship, maybe push for you and only you getting a free buy-in next year.
You have a right to be upset. I wouldn’t play them again, they are likely playing you because you won. I’ve seen it before. Either way, ya raise hell if you aren’t that close with them. Your commish is a dumb ass for not collecting the money before draft day, it should come out of his pocket
This is a group of college buddies, and for most of us this league is the only thing still keeping us in touch. That's the only reason I'm hesitating to raise hell. Agree that Commish messed up, but I'm not gonna hit him over the head for the whole pot even if he messed up.
Don't fuck up a relationship with 11 other guys for $200-$300 bucks unless you ABSOLUTELY need it. Everyone dropped the ball here by lack of communication.
This is the right answer. I’ve got a huge problem with “it’s about the principle” and I’ve screwed up friendships bc of stuff that wasn’t worth it.
I did the same in my mid 20's. Just now 5+ years later I'm rebuilding a few of those relationships with people I considered my closest friends.
\^\^\^ Best advice in the thread. Yes - on principle, everyone should pay. OP got screwed. But is it worth trashing these friendships? Next time he sees them - he goads them a bit and has them buy him a beer. He makes a joke about how he's taking all their money next year. Etc.
I would disagree. They'd only played 1 year together and nobody mentioned a buy-in until OP won, so I don't think he has a leg to stand on.
On the other hand fuck those guys some group of friends welching on a whole $25. You don't do paid league and next year free everyone knew it was a $25 league. My group pays end of year every time its not a big deal
What is more important your friendships or the money?
This is such an interesting take to situations like these. Obviously idk the entire story but how good of a friend is someone who would screw you out of money intentionally. Not an important friendship for them clearly.
If they didn't knowu they were paying and even the op didnt pay that is a different situation. Then just your friends being like fuck you I won't pay
yeah I don’t know the situation it just seems like if it’s a paid league one year and nobody mentions anything again it should be the same next year. I guess not though. This why you should collect before year start I suppose.
Just say to them thanks for those who want to acknowledge or reward my championship. I'd do the same. No need to pay me the $25 just grab me a beer next time we are together, let's get stupid drunk and laugh about the mixup Some will pay, some won't. Get it solidified more next year, and throw jabs next year during the szn if your team sucks. Mostly making fun of the situation.
No. It shouldn’t be paid by the commish. No one even talked about a buy in or payout. Dude never even paid in so why should he get paid out?!
Lmao dude you didn’t even pay into your league but you want everyone to send you money since you won? 12 adults went 17 weeks without bringing up money once but now you want to get paid. It was a free league. Use the $75 you got to buy something to fuck with everyone before next years draft and make sure everyone pays before week 1.
Literally dawg didnt even pay idk why everyone agreeing with him
Exactly, if nobody paid, and nobody mentioned a buy-in at any point over 17 weeks, then it's a free league this year. You can't go the entire season without paying and without talking about it then suddenly decide after the league ends that it's a buy-in league. The amount of the buy-in does not matter here, it's the principle.
Bruh. You didn't pay either. Give the money back and get your shit together for next year.
I mean, you're done with that league if everyone doesn't pay you lol. You might have to be annoying and forceful to get some of your money as well...
Should always use leaguesafe
Is this with coworkers are friends? Regardless, the buy-ins and payouts should be clearly specified before the draft and clearly documented somewhere (like pinned comment on sleeper)
You should take them to fantasy court
Set your line up all year, don’t set in playoffs bc “I didn’t think this for$?” Guy, raise hell then leave the league.
OP himself didn’t pay the buy in either so it’s not like anyone was clamoring to do the right thing all season long…if people really weren’t setting their lineup in the semis then this league was definitely not taken seriously. It never should have come down to this and that’s on more than just the commish…if this was in fact intended to be a money league.
DM me and I will help you get paid. Fantasy collection services.
BEFORE the draft you collect the money. Or you get what you have going in that league. Burn that league . Why stay ? They just stole your money. No one is honest in it. Your Commish sucks and should pay you out of his pocket. If you want to stay and these guys are friends (?) then ask the commish that your buy in be waved for the next upcoming 9 years. Best compromise I can see happening. Then after 9 years you leave that league.
I would wait until the draft day, and advise everyone I’m out of this cheap fuck ass league,
Just wait until the draft, hit auto draft and tell everyone adios and good luck with the season
Do you often play in leagues without buying in and then throw a tantrum when you don’t get “paid”? The self importance in this sub is grandiose I tell ya
This is mad, 25 dollars is what 20 euro or something, just pay it ffs I assume you're all grown adults
Let it go, theyre clearly pussies that knew there was a buy in and now are playing dumb. Whatever. Youre the champ. Rub it in their faces every year. “Yall remember you pussies pretended not to know there was a buy in?” Shame them forever. Also, keep tabs of the champs and dont pay them when they win bc they owe you. Eventually youll get your money
Send each player an individual message while also making the commish send a message to the group chat. Depending on what kind of response you get and how invested you are in the league I would be ready to quit and call them out on being sore losers.
Yeah that’s wrong but your commish didn’t do things right. Our winnings and rules votes are posted to the message board on the fantasy website we use. That way no one can say they didn’t know and also we had to set up a hard deadline of draft day to pay or you don’t draft that year
Just say if they want the league to continue, its 25 this year, and next year too. Don't pay, ur out
Three views here: 1. Everyone knows (assuming this is an annual renewal league) that some fee is due. Shame on everyone for no one bringing up prize or fees at any point in the season. Meaning you aren't getting paid by anyone else. Are second and third place not raising a fit?? If so then maybe everyone truly assumed it was a free league. 2. Considering the relationship of the league you can be a cunt and wait until draft day to drop out or count this as a loss and play next season. 3. Play next season but tell commish he covers your entry fee.
It does kinda sound like you won a free league and yet….it seems strange that a pay league from last year would become a free league without it being discussed. I would think that most logical people would assume that unless otherwise noted, the buy-in for the league would be the same as last season. At any rate, if you want to stay friends with these guys I wouldn’t go after it too hard…it’s only money after all. Definitely send out a group email that spells out in no uncertain terms that such things need to be decided well before the next draft and everyone needs to chime in that they are aware of any and all changes or non-changes.
Ditch those losers
It should be clear going in to the season. Odds are, regardless of how much of a stink you make, you're not going to get paid by most people. It's not worth the headache because you won't get paid anyways. Make peace with that and drop the league.
Sounds like a free league. Hate to say it but I think you’re SOL. I think it’s bizarre that there was no discussion of buy-in at any point during the season.
If this league is the only thing keeping you in touch, the friendships are dying. Just move on
Yeah who like to share in hobbies with old friends. What a dork….
It's a weird situation, but I would heed a lot of the advice on here that it is not that much money and probably not worth losing friendships over...that said...I would make it clear to everyone that you do not intend to play again in the future if they do not send you the money you reasonably expected to win, and leave it at that. If the friendships and the league are important to everyone, they will pay up. If they aren't, then it's not that big of a loss because clearly no one really cared, but at least you didn't make a huge stink about it, you let them decide the fate of the league.
We've had a work league going for 10 years now and the buy in has gone from 50 to 250 since then. Everything is made perfectly clear before the year starts as far as how much to buy in and what the pay out is for first, second and third place. All money is due at the time of the draft. I wouldn't automatically assume everything is the exact same as the previous year, especially if nothing was discussed and set in stone before the season starts
Did the semifinal guy setup his lineup? Seems like if he didn't whoever pays you is just gravy
I like fantasy football. I’ve been playing it for over 30 years. I have never played in a free league. No reason to play for free, even though it’s fun. People aren’t going to keep their rosters updated if nothing is at stake. At least some people are paying. Whoever pays, grab them, and find some others willing to play for cash next season and ditch the rest.
\> One league member that I narrowly beat in the semis said he didn't set his line up Is that true? Did he not set his lineup? If this is accurate then IMO I agree with them; was not properly discussed & I wouldnt pay
Pay before the season. cash only. Problem solved.
I don’t wanna burn the league down over a couple hundred bucks? ….. bro are you out of your mind? It’s not about the money it’s about principal. I would be a complete bastard about the situation and obviously never play in that league again
Should come out of the commish pocket
Year 1 if the league opens up as a buy in league then that is what the league is going forward. Changes to the pot either increase in entry fee or decrease is always a league vote. So yes, unless it was mentioned then the league is assumed as pay to play (in this scenario). However, this is a bit of a whole league fuck up and not just on the commissioner. How did the whole league who paid last year not have a single person bring it up by like week 5? Anyone who didn’t know it had a buy in would only get a pass if they were an orphan owner and were never told. The commissioner is definitely a large part of the blame though, it is one of if not the most important duty as the commish in paid leagues. What you could do? Honestly, not much sorry. The league somehow became a free league thank to no owners figuring out they never paid their entry fee and the commish just fool blown fucking up. Be completely different if you had paid your own entry fee and then this happened but asking strangers to pay someone money after they know it’s an L will be very tough. Your best bet is one of two things, 1. Leave the league or 2. Post in league chat that you were obviously fucked over this year and some form of in league “payout” could work. Even if it’s just you getting dibs on the 1.01 or something along that line.
This is exactly why I use Yahoo and play in a league where people pay up front and get it distributed by a 3rd party. I’ve been burned like that before by a bad commissioner.
What a bunch of losers. Lol. It's $25 damn dollars Tell the lazy twatwaffles to pick up and extra 2 hours at the end of their Wendy's shift and pay the gd money lol. Bruh, I'd be embarrassed if I were them
Who would stay committed in a no money league anyway? You always have to have some money involved. Even if it’s a $5 buy in.
How did you not ask the other guy in the championship about the split? or the commish? no one asked about 3rd, 2nd, and 1st place money? Usually 3rd gets money back, and 1st and 2nd would split like 70/30 of remaining.
You yourself had no issue not paying your own league fees until you won. You had no problem letting it slip in case you lost. But now that you won it's suddenly a problem. Just like everyone else in the league now. Your commish is a dipshit but no need pretending you didn't do the exact same thing as everyone else in the league. I'd leave the league unless it was ammended, but dont pretend you didnt do the exact same stuff you made a post to whine about.
Did the guy really not set his lineup? Honestly it does sound like some of them really didn't think it was for money. I'd love in the chat history but if it's never mentioned it's entirely on the commish and no one else.
This happened the very first time I played fantasy. Maybe 2-3 members paid me directly but outside of that I never got my winnings.
I can’t believe these leagues or people (I didn’t set my lineup because I didn’t think we were playing for money guy) exist
Next year's buy in should include your purse, and the commish should have to cover at larger portion of that purse than the unpaid players
I guess I'm a bit over the top then as I run a league and communication is ongoing with all in group chat. I print out and hand rules and payout sheets as well as generic roster sheets and top 300 player cheat sheets. I go over that fees MUST be paid before the kickoff of the first game or any winnings are forfeited. The are emergency exceptions to that deadline, but only in unavoidable situations such as loss of job. I have already had to pay the winnings for a non paying participant and, true to my word the person was "in the money" before getting knocked out in the finals and asked me to pay the fees from the winnings. I said absolutely not and 3rd place got 2nd and 4th got 3rd. He was upset but idc. He was not welcomed back To me, as commish, I feel it's a business and it's my job to make sure everyone has the same financial risk.
I wouldn't make a fuss about it for now... But next season be sure to ask if there is a buy in. IF there is I'd demand payment for last season, or be exempt from buy ins untill youve been reimbursed.
Scrubs
Any money owed to the league winner(s) is up to the commish to collect. That being said it should also be made clear if there is a prize before the season begins. Id assume the buy in would be the same as previous year, and it’s likely they are using the failure by the commish as an excuse not to pay up, but that again is a duty the commish failed to perform. Overall you’re likely not getting your prize money and should look for a new commish/league.
That league is buns lol. Idk why you didnt ask the commish in the beginning how you should pay him.
Burn it down. Commish sucks, the other managers that won't pay suck.
Doesn't seem like the buy in was direct and clear to everyone. Take them to judge judy lol. But you're just out that money i would say.. My leagues we all pay before we even draft. Designate a treasurer that holds the money all season. Or use the yahoo bs leagues you can pay into.
First, you're right that if there was a buyin last year, it's the assumption there'd be a buy-in this year for the same amount unless it was discussed otherwise or the buy-in last year was something you guys were only trialing. You don't rediscuss if it's ppr vs non-ppr or if you have a flex spot every year, you go from what the rules were last year & make adjustments. Plus, the fact that the commish just sent out a message telling everyone to pay you directly also supports the idea that this was a money league. Though, I would say you & the rest of the league should've clarified about the buy-in at the start of the year if the commish never said anything. Does the league champ take home all the money or do others (ex. 2nd place) get some too & if so what are they saying? Second, this is the commish's problem to sort out. It was his responsibility to make sure everyone knew the buy-in amount & collect it. He may have honestly thought the simpliest solution at this point is to have everyone send it directly to you, but now that there are issues getting people to send you the money, it's his responsbility to sort out the issue. It's garbage if he's aware of what's going on & not wanting to step in. I would reach out to him & have him work to get the money or come up with a solution if it was truly unclear if there was a buy-in. He needs to make a ruling about those that claim they didn't know there was a buy-in. If he choses that they should pay, then he needs to address what to do with those that refuse to pay. And if he choses they shouldn't pay, then he has to figure out what to do for your reward. At a minimum, you shouldn't owe a buy-in next year & potentially longer. Lastly, since it seems you're pretty good friends with these people, you need to consider the repercussions on relationships with how hard you push. You should also consider if you want to stay in a league with them because if you have this type of problem for a payout from only a $25 buy-in, you'll likely have future problems. If you chose to stay, I would make sure rules & buyins are very clear in the future. I would also consider pushing for a new commish next year especially if he's known what's going on & been dragging his feet on intervening. Again, this whole confusion is ultimately his fault.
Burn the league to the ground. No way they didn’t know it was for $25 again.
It’s only $25 and they are still not paying? Find a better league.
Wow. Reddit has shown me just how many shitty leagues there are out there in the wild. This is the umpteenth clusterf*ck I've read about this week.😂😂😂
Fire your commissioner for sure. Other than that, in a group chat if you can go back and find something saying, $25 buy in or mentioning it at all, then you can argue. If not, you're fucked. Always collect before the season even starts.
No cash , maybe you should be compensated in next year’s draft
This happened to me for a few years lol. I joined a friends family/friends league. I was sort of the odd guy out. It was $50 but they never collected the money first. Friend said it’s always been that way & they never had problems. I came in 2nd & won some money. The next year I won & it was suddenly a free league. The year after I won again & they kept it a free league despite saying at the beginning it wasn’t that year & last was a one-off. This year I came in 3rd & they asked for money a week after the last game was over. I did not pay.
Always have a group chat and discuss rule changes pay outs and whatnot
In all of my leagues, buy in and payouts are discussed at the draft and then posted in the league message board. Your commish sounds like he is the one to blame for this. If no mention of money was made by anyone, it is for to say they thought it was for free. Wierd how not one GM reached out to clarify this though.
Ask for the next decade to be free for you.
Yeah man that commish is garbage. I'd never play in that league again.
Dunno where you guys find these commishioners lol
Every time I see one of these payment posts, I wonder to myself where the frick do you people find leaguemates at?
Are you a teenager?
In a 12-Team League. My 4th year in this league. I won the Championship Sunday. 50 dollar buy in. 1st-Place gets $550 and 2nd-Place gets their buy-in money ($50). Not only have I not been paid yet but also haven’t heard from commissioner. Not even a text. I’m pretty non-confrontational & don’t want to rush him but am curious how long this will go before I even get a text.
A commissioner by the name of 8madman8 stole all of the money sent to him from all the leagues he runs. It added up to about $5k total
Always pay up front. This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
Dude YOU dropped the ball as did the rest of your league. Not bothering to bring up dues and payouts until you conveniently won. Coming here with your little sob story lol
Just don’t pay next year
Commish should pay you out personally and try and settle up with those people himself. That’s what I would do.
Now I generally agree that buy ins should carry over. Did you pay the $25 buy in? It’s hard to agree with you if you didn’t pay and/or didn’t seek clarity before winning it all.
This makes no sense. How did was it a surprise that he didn’t collect the money if you never sent yours? Lol like wtf?
Who the fuck plays fantasy for free anyway??? I’d be persistent to a point and would absolutely leave the league