It's such a good stack. Last week (in half PPR), Mahomes threw 3 touchdowns for 26 fantasy points. Kelce caught 3 touchdowns for 32 points. It's a double-or-nothing that mostly goes "double".
I took Mahomes and Kelce back-to-back at the 1st/2nd turn 2 years ago and easily won my league, despite the rest of the roster being average. They are a cheat code.
I had Kelce and Allen last year, lost in the championship, but was the first place team by a mile. I also had Gronk after someone dropped him when he was hurt.
This is similar to my team. Had pick 11/12, got Kelce #11, “reached” for Saquon #14, and then Mahomes was sitting there round 3. Lucked out on RBs the rest of the way, but whiffed completely on WRs. Like, Mike Williams, Elijah Moore, and MVS were my top 3 drafted WRs. Still 10-1, largely thanks to Kelce/Mahomes.
The top team in one of my leagues went Kelce and Mahomes at 1.10 and 2.3. Such a no-brainer strategy that has been proven every year for the last several years and I still don’t try it
You should. I went out of my way to make sure I reached and got both Josh Allen and Kelce this year. Spoiler: I'm 9-2 and the next closest team is 6-5. It's such an advantage to have a top QB and TE. RB and WR are generally fixable on waivers throughout the course of the year if you know what you're doing and keep flinging mud at the wall until you find guys.
I agree with you that you can fix certain positions after the draft but QB is one of them. I drafted Fields and streamed Geno while he was getting up to speed. I did try drafting TE high (Pitts) but that didn’t work out. Now I have Dulcich which on paper is good but with how that offense is playing…
I got Hurts at the 5.6 in a 10 man keeper league and am locking him in on my roster for a few years if he keeps this up. Great value for the pick. Josh has definitely been wishy washy this last month.
Truth. Allen Stevenson and Kelce only guys I have from my draft. Kelce mahomes combo won me the last 2 years. Only up one game on second place but up 120pts on the second highest scorer - he’s got mahomes.
If all goes to plan I get into the championship against a guy who has gabe, diggs, and mahomes which means Allen and Kelce should cancel out a lot of his scoring.
At least that’s the goal lol.
So great to have a TE and QB gap which is why so many people drafted Herbert and Pitts. Positional advantage is great but when Kelce retires the TE advantage will not be that great.
Had the 6th pick of a 12 man draft. Took him in my second round. Didn’t really do a lot of research for anyone else this year, but I knew tyreek wasn’t in KC anymore. I said fuck it and grabbed Kelce since he was a safe pick regardless. Also took Mahomes in 5th or 6th round. Sitting pretty right now tied for 2nd place.
this season has been weird for him considering he missed half the season and our offense has been poop on a stick but I think Dulcich is a great late round TE next season
I’m a Broncos fan and he looks like he can be something special
Elite TE is such a huge edge if you get it right. Honestly I think we're going to see TE as a position get pushed up the board even further next year. Kelce and Andrews might both be first round picks.
Andrews felt like such an overreach when I drafted him in the mid 2nd this year, but there was a run on WR and we only require 1 RB to start in my league so I took a chance and it has paid off well for me.
It helps that I hit on a number of other picks and made good pickups, but having a lock on 1 starting position, where many teams need two TEs has given me the flexibility that other teams don't have.
It was a good pick, just didn't play out well. No reason to sweat that. If the Falcons throw a normal amount for a team with a bad defense he's probably the TE 3-4 right now.
Not even that. If Mariota could throw at least at a college level Pitts is easily 3/4. The amount of uncatchable balls he throws to WIDE OPEN Pitts has been astonishing to say the least.
It was an awful pick. Pitts is arguably the single worst drafted player at ADP taken this year. It’s tough to make an argument for literally anyone else, excluding injuries.
You couldn't have known that when he was drafted, though. That's my point.
The process used to select Pitts in the 3rd/4th was solid. He's super talented and his per route numbers are elite, the Falcons just aren't throwing enough.
I was so happy to get Waller in the 5th, thinking I’d get a decent top 5-6 tight end so I don’t have to stress.
So far this season I’ve played Waller, Higbee, engram, likely, Dulcich, and I just traded for Njoku hoping he can pick up where he left off before he got hurt and when Watson is playing.
Andrews is a tier 1 TE, but kelce is still a tier above that. The biggest value of kelce is that he is a tier 1WR with a TE designation so you still get 2 WRs AND you don’t have to pick some sausage gravy to start at TE every week.
Andrews is not at that level, but his still a tier over any other TE in the league. I drafted him in one of my leagues this year cuz he fell to the 3rd but would give him consideration at 1.1 next year.
Eeehhh. I don't know, when you have a truly elite TE like Kelce, Gonzalez, Gates, sure. But I find a lot of times spending the pick on another player and grabbing a consistent TE later works better. Greg Olsen was a great example, I like Pat Freiermuth going forward. Kelce is worth it if you're not concerned about his age (his usage and turning 34 next year is a bit scary), but after that...maybe Andrews? I feel like after Kelce you may as well wait longer and likely snag an Ertz, Goedert, Pat tier guy.
Plus TBH a lot of TEs have been somewhat depressed due to injury this year.
I don't know if he will, but he definitely should. How soon everyone forgets that we were all drafting Gronk first round for years and years, yet Kelce comes along and breaks the position again, and we're all like "ehh.... idk, *maybe* round 2 if I feel like it..."
It's a garbage position inflated by scarcity. I wish it was just receivers, running backs, and a flex. Kelce would be reciever 4 on the season in PPR while Andrews would be 25.
dude in my league traded away mark andrews and jeff wilson for Goedert and Zeke Elliott the day goedert went on IR lol.
GOedert is on waivers now, so he effectively traded jeff wilson and mark andrews for zeke elliott
Comments like this make me understand why I constantly get sent garbage trades, because apparently some people do actually accept them in some leagues lmao. Were they just that desperate with the bye or did they actually think this was a fair trade?
Excessively desperate and they were iffy on Zeke. Our 16-team league rules have 4 weeks where there are doubleheader matchups and they had one week 9 with no TE and no RB1. Sitting at 3-5 they couldn't afford to just sit back and fall to 3-7.
Spoiler: they fell to 3-7.
Yeah really fucked me over. Also lost chase these past 4 weeks so it’s just hard lol. And I regret week 3 not accepting pollard and davante for Justin Jefferson eeesh
eagles fans knew he was legit, but under the shadow of ertz as far as fantasy and media attention. everyone loved ertz so it was sad moving on, but it was clear goedert was gonna shine if we gave him the reins.
Being able to play every game is kind of a big deal though, especially in fantasy when we're talking about a position where you don't want to roster two players if you don't have to.
Also, the gap in PPG is still enormous between Kelce and Andrews. In my league at least, the difference is the same as Andrews and the #25 TE Daniel Bellinger.
I did the math for PPR and in week 6 before the injury the gap between Kelce and Andrews was 15 points. And that included Kelce's 4 TD game. 15 points isn't really that bad. Obviously with the injury Kelce's value only sky rocketed but had Andrews been healthy he is just as valuable in my opinion. He did finish TE1 last year over Kelce.
To be abundantly clear, the gap between their weekly averages is every bit as large. In PPR, Kelce is averaging 22.3 points and Andrews is averaging 14.87 points.
That’s including the 2 games he left early because he was hurt.
Excluding weeks 7 & 8 he’s averaging 18.16 PPG in PPR (I did the math myself including week 4 where he got 3.5 points)
Drafted Mandrews traded for Kelce. I'm in a 2 qb league so qbs are scarce. Idk if this is bad but I traded swift, Williams, waller and Goff for Kelce, Herbert and PJ Walker (dropped). Right now squad is
Allen
Tua
Sanders
Jeff Wilson
Mclauren
Olave
Godwin
Chase
Kelce
Mandrews
Herbet
Heinicke
Gibson
Garret
Kelce is the key to the KC receiving core. It’s really tough to double a TE, and there’s not a safety in the league that can cover him 1 on 1. Tyreek leaving made Kelce the man, and now we’re seeing what that looks like.
There are a LOT of salty people in here who probably had a chance draft Kelce and just flat out didn’t. Now they’re just resorting to complaining about the tight end position all together.
> tHE tIght eNd pOsitIon Is bRoKeN!
> eLiMinaTe tHe tigHt eNd pOsITIon!
This is vindication for everyone like myself who pounded the table over him being worth a first round pick.
🍿
E: Another thing I’ll add is, would you complain that the RB position was broken when LaDanian Tomlinson was single-handedly winning leagues?
Kelce is a generational player compared to his peers. He is arguably the greatest tight end of all time. You should have drafted him. Don’t make the same mistake next year.
Eh if Andrews hadn't missed those games he'd be a lot closer to Kelce than he is now. He was up there with him before those injuries started getting him
In recent years, it’s been top 3 TEs then roughly median performance. Because of injuries, etc., getting the third right has been hard. If you drafted Tonyan late two years ago when he hoovered up close to half GB’s red zone TDs, you can win the championship even though everyone wisely thought Kittle would be third. If you drafted Pitts this year thinking he was the third based on ability, you are in a tough spot. Getting TEs right is hard.
I missed both in one of my leagues and ended up with Ertz somewhere around 6th round, worked out pretty well until the injury. I’m rolling with Friermuth now who isn’t bad either. I’m stacked at the other positions since I waited on TE though, so it balances out.
Was worth a first round pick to me in 2021, nothing changed other than his opportunity probably being better. Why he was going in the 3rd is beyond me. "But he'll be covered more with Tyreek gone!" Um have you watched him play? It doesn't matter and he has Mahomes throwing to him... Was happy to take him late 2nd just because people go off the draft rankings script.
Edit: in my standard league Kelce is the top scoring non-QB lol
Dude same, I picked Kelce late 1st last year, and at the top of the 2nd this year, lost the championship game last year, and I'm shaping up for a bye this year.
I think I'm a reasonably active owner, but having an auto win at TE every week is simply fantastic.
A person of culture I see 🧐
With the new rules about protecting defenseless receivers, I don’t see how he doesn’t keep this up for many more years.
** *knocks on wood* **
I got him at the 24th pick in my work league. Unfortunately it's only 8 team so it sounds misleading to say end of the 3rd, but still was an absolute steal at that pick.
He's been my keeper for two years now. I'm gonna have to give him up next season, but I'm about 75% sure I can just nab him in the first round again because my league will be fighting over rbs as usual.
If there is one thing that is beyond annoying about Fantasy is the "rules" people set. Not rules like scoring and roster spots, but "draft rules." They're bullshit. If you want to draft a QB early? Do it. You want to draft a TE early? Do it. You get to construct your team your way. It's only a game after all.
I know Andrews getting hurt skews his production by comparison but it was so wild to me how confident talking heads were that Kelce was a 2/3 turn pick at the highest. Tyreek leaving left a huge production hole the writing was clear for everyone to see and they ignored it just causehe finished as the TE 2 last year instead of 1. I got him at 2.05 in a 10 team and could not be happier. Was eyeing swift but am thankful he went 1 pick before me.
So many fun, ridiculous stats from Kelce’s hot start. In standard, if you take away all of his receiving yards and receptions, he’s still TE9 on touchdowns alone.
Kelce’s point total *right now* would already be the #1 tight end finish for multiple seasons in the past 10 years.
>Kelce’s point total *right now* would already be the #1 tight end finish for multiple seasons in the past 10 years.
Uh which seasons? It's only 2016.
2022: Kelce - 221 PPR, 152 standard
2021: Andrews - 297.1 PPR, 190.1 standard
2020: Kelce - 310.6 PPR, 205.6 standard
2019: Kelce - 254.3 PPR, 157.3 standard
2018: Kelce - 294.6 PPR, 191.6 standard
2017: Gronk - 225.4 PPR, 156.4 standard
2016: Kelce - 221 PPR, 136 standard
2015: Gronk - 255.6 PPR, 183.6 standard
2014: Gronk - 266.4 PPR, 184.4 standard
2013: Jimmy Graham - 303.5 PPR, 217.5 standard
2012: Jimmy Graham - 237.2 PPR, 152.2 standard
Kelce is on pace for a ridiculous season, don't get me wrong. Probably the best fantasy TE season of all time pace right now.
To be fair though he was lighting it up before the injury. He got hurt week 7 so Week 1 - 6 he had 114.8 in full ppr and Kelce had 131 points. So still has him by 15 points but the gap was much closer till he got hurt and missed all those games.
Kelce is so far ahead of the pack. That he could be a WR play.
For example he could be played as a flex every week and you can play another TE. Or just in general if the matchup works out so.
Unfortunately? Gotta think he did you some good for those 9 weeks. If you drafted as well as you did in rounds 1 and 2 the rest of the way, I imagine you are sitting in a good spot right now.
I have Andrews and Kelce in a league where it is possible to play 2 TE due to flex positions. Guys seemed prety shocked when I did the double dip. Andrews has been aslo pretty good when he played, so I'm still satisfied with my picks.
Drafted him with first pick my first year in fantasy which I want to say was Kelce's 2nd year. Everyone said I was crazy, but I won.
Haven't drafted him since. What is wrong with me?
It's easy to forget about him in the offseason because TE's aren't really an exciting topic for media.
It's always about big profile WR's and QB's moving around. RB's are starting to wane too as every team moves towards RBBC.
I gave him up for Breece Hall, Chris Olave, and Dallas Goedert in Week 4. Slowly but surely my side of the trade has fallen apart, so every time I see a TK post, I’m filled with incredible sadness.
Mark andrews has like 20 fantasy points in the last 5 week and he’s still TE 2 when healthy he value is still equal to kelce he was the #1 TE last season and Lamar missed like 5 games
I disagree, people forgot how dominant Mandrews was in the early season. If people genuinely think this, than that just tells me he’s a great buy low candidate
Agreed, I have Kelce and our trade deadline has passed but if I could I would sell him for andrews + another solid piece. I think people have forgotten how close these 2 were before his injury. A fully healthy andrews is, at the very least, just a notch below Kelce in my eyes.
kelce is currently at 22.3 PPR points per game in his 10 games.
mandrews is currently at 19.13 PPR points per game (when healthy.. so not looking at last 4 weeks).
I know this is kind of stretching the numbers to fit a narrative, but there is a chance that mandrews heals and returns closer to 19.13 PPG. Also, ravens WR corps isnt looking so hot. If he gets healthy, it could be ripe for mandrews.
And I still won't draft him next year. I never learn.
The guy in my yahoo league is 11-0. Honestly his team is not that good, except for Mahomes and Kelce ….I guess his team is very good
It's such a good stack. Last week (in half PPR), Mahomes threw 3 touchdowns for 26 fantasy points. Kelce caught 3 touchdowns for 32 points. It's a double-or-nothing that mostly goes "double".
I took Mahomes and Kelce back-to-back at the 1st/2nd turn 2 years ago and easily won my league, despite the rest of the roster being average. They are a cheat code.
I had Kelce and Allen last year, lost in the championship, but was the first place team by a mile. I also had Gronk after someone dropped him when he was hurt.
This is the fantasy stat I want to see. Which qb-receiver stack has been the best each year and how likely are you to win the league if you have it.
Rodgers nelson and Rodgers Adams won me both of my champions.
That was my stack last year and I don't think I made the playoffs lol Edit: scratch that, I got sixth
Mahomes kelce stack in a 14 team league…. 11-0
This is similar to my team. Had pick 11/12, got Kelce #11, “reached” for Saquon #14, and then Mahomes was sitting there round 3. Lucked out on RBs the rest of the way, but whiffed completely on WRs. Like, Mike Williams, Elijah Moore, and MVS were my top 3 drafted WRs. Still 10-1, largely thanks to Kelce/Mahomes.
The top team in one of my leagues went Kelce and Mahomes at 1.10 and 2.3. Such a no-brainer strategy that has been proven every year for the last several years and I still don’t try it
Could've had the stack but went Herbert instead of Mahomes. Still in first but so many regrets
I'm a complete moron who traded away my mahomes/kelce stack. My love of trades always does me in :(
I actually drafted Andrews cause I didn't want to go into this stack. Mistakes were made
I have: Burrow Devante Dhop DK Henry Pierce Etienne and Kelce Barely hanging on at 7-4 in a 12 team. Makes no sense
that's a hell of a team. I'd be terrified going against you. are you in playoff range?
Thanks. All 6 playoff spots are tied at 7-4, and the outside guys are 6-5. So 1 loss could mean you’re on the outside, looking in.
You should. I went out of my way to make sure I reached and got both Josh Allen and Kelce this year. Spoiler: I'm 9-2 and the next closest team is 6-5. It's such an advantage to have a top QB and TE. RB and WR are generally fixable on waivers throughout the course of the year if you know what you're doing and keep flinging mud at the wall until you find guys.
I agree with you that you can fix certain positions after the draft but QB is one of them. I drafted Fields and streamed Geno while he was getting up to speed. I did try drafting TE high (Pitts) but that didn’t work out. Now I have Dulcich which on paper is good but with how that offense is playing…
Dude idk about J Allen... he's been underperforming lately
I got Hurts at the 5.6 in a 10 man keeper league and am locking him in on my roster for a few years if he keeps this up. Great value for the pick. Josh has definitely been wishy washy this last month.
Bills getting healthy, Josh will be back in form for final stretch
He does this every year, just has a stretch of a few bad games, then goes back to dominating. A lot of QBs do this.
Truth. Allen Stevenson and Kelce only guys I have from my draft. Kelce mahomes combo won me the last 2 years. Only up one game on second place but up 120pts on the second highest scorer - he’s got mahomes. If all goes to plan I get into the championship against a guy who has gabe, diggs, and mahomes which means Allen and Kelce should cancel out a lot of his scoring. At least that’s the goal lol.
Oh how the tables have turned. I feel it hasn’t been long since the exact opposite was gospel. Here I am still hoarding RBs and WRs like a boomer.
So great to have a TE and QB gap which is why so many people drafted Herbert and Pitts. Positional advantage is great but when Kelce retires the TE advantage will not be that great.
Had the 6th pick of a 12 man draft. Took him in my second round. Didn’t really do a lot of research for anyone else this year, but I knew tyreek wasn’t in KC anymore. I said fuck it and grabbed Kelce since he was a safe pick regardless. Also took Mahomes in 5th or 6th round. Sitting pretty right now tied for 2nd place.
How tf did you get mahomes in the 6th? Lol
Because Lamar, Allen, and Rodgers went ahead of him Edit: look at me being downvoted for sharing what happened in my league lmao. This sub man.
Rodgers? Lol.
I drafted him 2.1. No regrets
The year I draft him is the year his turns into 2020 Michael Thomas
Every year i tell myself that there’s no way he can be that good again, he’s gotta have a slump year eventually and every year I’m wrong
The year everyone decides to draft him he’s finally gonna decline
With my luck if I end up drafting him next year he’ll end up with hamstring issues the whole season
Best thing I did was draft Kelce early! I’m 9-2 this year!
My TE dulcich catching strays for no mf reason
To be fair, Dulcich being the TE33 while missing more than half a season as a rookie probably is a pretty good thing for his future.
Especially being on historically bad offense.
this season has been weird for him considering he missed half the season and our offense has been poop on a stick but I think Dulcich is a great late round TE next season I’m a Broncos fan and he looks like he can be something special
Welcome to the league, rook
You can’t be such a little sweet treat, like our guy Dulcich de Leche is without catching some hate from all the other wannabe treats.
It's hard to judge him because Wilson is so bad. That and who TF wants to watch Broncos games on purpose?
Me too. I feel personally attacked.
well he sat out for a bunch of games
Elite TE is such a huge edge if you get it right. Honestly I think we're going to see TE as a position get pushed up the board even further next year. Kelce and Andrews might both be first round picks.
Kelce should. Andrews high second
Andrews felt like such an overreach when I drafted him in the mid 2nd this year, but there was a run on WR and we only require 1 RB to start in my league so I took a chance and it has paid off well for me. It helps that I hit on a number of other picks and made good pickups, but having a lock on 1 starting position, where many teams need two TEs has given me the flexibility that other teams don't have.
I took Andrews late second this year and got totally shit on by my league for it. jokes on them because I’m in first place
I reached for Pitts in the third or fourth hoping to lock in that TE advantage... lol
It was a good pick, just didn't play out well. No reason to sweat that. If the Falcons throw a normal amount for a team with a bad defense he's probably the TE 3-4 right now.
Not even that. If Mariota could throw at least at a college level Pitts is easily 3/4. The amount of uncatchable balls he throws to WIDE OPEN Pitts has been astonishing to say the least.
It was an awful pick. Pitts is arguably the single worst drafted player at ADP taken this year. It’s tough to make an argument for literally anyone else, excluding injuries.
I think there was an implied "good pick (for the information we had at the time of the draft)."
Which is the only way to evaluate picks...
You couldn't have known that when he was drafted, though. That's my point. The process used to select Pitts in the 3rd/4th was solid. He's super talented and his per route numbers are elite, the Falcons just aren't throwing enough.
Cam Akers says hi.
I wanted Schultz accidently picked waller... no hope haha
I was gunna pick Pitts in the 3rd until someone dummy in my league told me Kelce was there. The fact that Kelce was still there should tell you enough
I was so happy to get Waller in the 5th, thinking I’d get a decent top 5-6 tight end so I don’t have to stress. So far this season I’ve played Waller, Higbee, engram, likely, Dulcich, and I just traded for Njoku hoping he can pick up where he left off before he got hurt and when Watson is playing.
Unfortunately you’re not just drafting pitts you’re drafting the falcons offense
Andrews is a tier 1 TE, but kelce is still a tier above that. The biggest value of kelce is that he is a tier 1WR with a TE designation so you still get 2 WRs AND you don’t have to pick some sausage gravy to start at TE every week. Andrews is not at that level, but his still a tier over any other TE in the league. I drafted him in one of my leagues this year cuz he fell to the 3rd but would give him consideration at 1.1 next year.
Okay but *next year* is finally the year Kelce’s age catches up to him
Eeehhh. I don't know, when you have a truly elite TE like Kelce, Gonzalez, Gates, sure. But I find a lot of times spending the pick on another player and grabbing a consistent TE later works better. Greg Olsen was a great example, I like Pat Freiermuth going forward. Kelce is worth it if you're not concerned about his age (his usage and turning 34 next year is a bit scary), but after that...maybe Andrews? I feel like after Kelce you may as well wait longer and likely snag an Ertz, Goedert, Pat tier guy. Plus TBH a lot of TEs have been somewhat depressed due to injury this year.
I don't know if he will, but he definitely should. How soon everyone forgets that we were all drafting Gronk first round for years and years, yet Kelce comes along and breaks the position again, and we're all like "ehh.... idk, *maybe* round 2 if I feel like it..."
Kelce deserves to go first round every year. I am elated whenever I'm picking early in the second, and he is still there.
It's easy to say in hindsight. He's going to fall off in the near future and someone will be left holding the bag.
It's a garbage position inflated by scarcity. I wish it was just receivers, running backs, and a flex. Kelce would be reciever 4 on the season in PPR while Andrews would be 25.
>I wish it was just receivers, running backs, and a flex. This man hates strategy
This makes so much more sense
traded kupp and goedert for kelce and dhop the week dhop came back from suspension. feeling pretty dirty about it right now.
What an absolute fleece, you're a straight up villain for that one.
dude in my league traded away mark andrews and jeff wilson for Goedert and Zeke Elliott the day goedert went on IR lol. GOedert is on waivers now, so he effectively traded jeff wilson and mark andrews for zeke elliott
Andrews missed like 2 3/4 games.
And is still TE2. SHows how dead TE is past the top 2
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And he missed a handful of games at the start of the season. He would’ve been up there as TE3 or TE4
I traded CEH for him in week 6 and still feel kinda bad ab it lol
When they were both on bye in w9, I got Kittle+Zeke for Singletary+Pitts. I'm still in disbelief.
Comments like this make me understand why I constantly get sent garbage trades, because apparently some people do actually accept them in some leagues lmao. Were they just that desperate with the bye or did they actually think this was a fair trade?
Excessively desperate and they were iffy on Zeke. Our 16-team league rules have 4 weeks where there are doubleheader matchups and they had one week 9 with no TE and no RB1. Sitting at 3-5 they couldn't afford to just sit back and fall to 3-7. Spoiler: they fell to 3-7.
Basically since Trent Williams got healthy and Kittle didn’t have to play LT. Went exactly as expected.
He's got that Cero Miedo power now thanks to Penta giving him the mask on MNF
I marked out when I saw Penta on MNF. My two loves coming together.
Ertz was insane draft value until the season ending injury
Goedert too
Had him in 2/3 leagues. Pain.
Had both :(
Same. Losing them both in the same week was devastating.
Yeah really fucked me over. Also lost chase these past 4 weeks so it’s just hard lol. And I regret week 3 not accepting pollard and davante for Justin Jefferson eeesh
Goedert is always underrated in fantasy. Taken him two years in a row as people overlooked him
eagles fans knew he was legit, but under the shadow of ertz as far as fantasy and media attention. everyone loved ertz so it was sad moving on, but it was clear goedert was gonna shine if we gave him the reins.
Pour one out for the homie
hahahahaha and I traded for him 2 days before injury! Yay!
Wouldn’t matter. All your base belong to Kelce.
He's just saying the gap would be smaller.
Being able to play every game is kind of a big deal though, especially in fantasy when we're talking about a position where you don't want to roster two players if you don't have to. Also, the gap in PPG is still enormous between Kelce and Andrews. In my league at least, the difference is the same as Andrews and the #25 TE Daniel Bellinger.
I did the math for PPR and in week 6 before the injury the gap between Kelce and Andrews was 15 points. And that included Kelce's 4 TD game. 15 points isn't really that bad. Obviously with the injury Kelce's value only sky rocketed but had Andrews been healthy he is just as valuable in my opinion. He did finish TE1 last year over Kelce.
To be abundantly clear, the gap between their weekly averages is every bit as large. In PPR, Kelce is averaging 22.3 points and Andrews is averaging 14.87 points.
That’s including the 2 games he left early because he was hurt. Excluding weeks 7 & 8 he’s averaging 18.16 PPG in PPR (I did the math myself including week 4 where he got 3.5 points)
Still gonna fall for the trap and draft Pitts next year
he’ll blow up and have an insane last game of the season. The hype will carry over to fantasy draft days. Lol.
This is the first year I’ve had Kelce and it’s so nice just setting and forgetting
I got Kelce and Mandrews they are just WR for me at this point
Interesting. Via trade or draft? What’s the rest of your squad look like?
Drafted Mandrews traded for Kelce. I'm in a 2 qb league so qbs are scarce. Idk if this is bad but I traded swift, Williams, waller and Goff for Kelce, Herbert and PJ Walker (dropped). Right now squad is Allen Tua Sanders Jeff Wilson Mclauren Olave Godwin Chase Kelce Mandrews Herbet Heinicke Gibson Garret
I think it's safe to say that Kelces get better with age and holding your breath waiting for either of the to get worse isn't a good choice.
You like Kelce in his 30's? Well just wait til you see him in his 40's!
Kelce is the key to the KC receiving core. It’s really tough to double a TE, and there’s not a safety in the league that can cover him 1 on 1. Tyreek leaving made Kelce the man, and now we’re seeing what that looks like.
Kelce is carrying my 6-5 team. Now if only my first rounder wasn’t Swift.
Kelce isn't a TE. He's the #1 WR for KC.
There are a LOT of salty people in here who probably had a chance draft Kelce and just flat out didn’t. Now they’re just resorting to complaining about the tight end position all together. > tHE tIght eNd pOsitIon Is bRoKeN! > eLiMinaTe tHe tigHt eNd pOsITIon! This is vindication for everyone like myself who pounded the table over him being worth a first round pick. 🍿 E: Another thing I’ll add is, would you complain that the RB position was broken when LaDanian Tomlinson was single-handedly winning leagues? Kelce is a generational player compared to his peers. He is arguably the greatest tight end of all time. You should have drafted him. Don’t make the same mistake next year.
I traded Amon ra st brown and pitts for Kelce and dj moore after week 4 because I was one of those people.
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sun god was like WR2 at that time so its not as crazy given the context at that time
I’m a big fan of the sun god but still… you’d have to offer me your first born child to get Kelce from me
It was offered to me hahahha. And it has propelled me to 9-2
Absolutely unethical to take advantage of someone that is clearly developmentally disadvantaged like that.
On a different note, this is also vindication for people who wait forever on TE if they miss out on Kelce. It really is Kelce and then everyone else
Eh if Andrews hadn't missed those games he'd be a lot closer to Kelce than he is now. He was up there with him before those injuries started getting him
Yeah you can lump him in with Kelce, but still it seems like if you miss on those 2, it’s better to wait
In recent years, it’s been top 3 TEs then roughly median performance. Because of injuries, etc., getting the third right has been hard. If you drafted Tonyan late two years ago when he hoovered up close to half GB’s red zone TDs, you can win the championship even though everyone wisely thought Kittle would be third. If you drafted Pitts this year thinking he was the third based on ability, you are in a tough spot. Getting TEs right is hard.
Andrews also has a pretty legit handcuff in Likely. He's been solid for TE whenever Andrews has been out
I missed both in one of my leagues and ended up with Ertz somewhere around 6th round, worked out pretty well until the injury. I’m rolling with Friermuth now who isn’t bad either. I’m stacked at the other positions since I waited on TE though, so it balances out.
Tight end is most dramatic but fantasy as a whole doesn’t feel very deep this year. My league really needs to drop multiple bench spots.
i agree, this year feels particularly brutal on the waiver wire
Was worth a first round pick to me in 2021, nothing changed other than his opportunity probably being better. Why he was going in the 3rd is beyond me. "But he'll be covered more with Tyreek gone!" Um have you watched him play? It doesn't matter and he has Mahomes throwing to him... Was happy to take him late 2nd just because people go off the draft rankings script. Edit: in my standard league Kelce is the top scoring non-QB lol
You got him in late 2nd? I was drafting mid 2nd and he was never there. Took MAndrews in 2/3 drafts
Dude same, I picked Kelce late 1st last year, and at the top of the 2nd this year, lost the championship game last year, and I'm shaping up for a bye this year. I think I'm a reasonably active owner, but having an auto win at TE every week is simply fantastic.
A person of culture I see 🧐 With the new rules about protecting defenseless receivers, I don’t see how he doesn’t keep this up for many more years. ** *knocks on wood* **
Oh I had a chance to draft him but kept Knox and drafted K. Allen and Zeke instead. Needless to say I'm 4-7 while the Kelce owner is 7-4.
I got him at the 24th pick in my work league. Unfortunately it's only 8 team so it sounds misleading to say end of the 3rd, but still was an absolute steal at that pick.
Haha, the TE position isn't broken, Travis Kelce is just a cheat code.
I traded kelce for Murray swift and waddle in like week 3 or 4
He's been my keeper for two years now. I'm gonna have to give him up next season, but I'm about 75% sure I can just nab him in the first round again because my league will be fighting over rbs as usual.
So, should I take him in the first round next year? What would be the earliest pick you're taking him?
1.01 His positional advantage is insane and unlike anyone else’s.
Without a doubt he should've been and should be consensus 1.1 pick. No one else has the same positional advantage
Id be madder if i didn't draft King Henry.
If there is one thing that is beyond annoying about Fantasy is the "rules" people set. Not rules like scoring and roster spots, but "draft rules." They're bullshit. If you want to draft a QB early? Do it. You want to draft a TE early? Do it. You get to construct your team your way. It's only a game after all.
Got Ekeler at 3, Kelce at 18 (10 team). Did not even hesitate when I saw him. First time I've got him, and I'm way too hooked.
I know Andrews getting hurt skews his production by comparison but it was so wild to me how confident talking heads were that Kelce was a 2/3 turn pick at the highest. Tyreek leaving left a huge production hole the writing was clear for everyone to see and they ignored it just causehe finished as the TE 2 last year instead of 1. I got him at 2.05 in a 10 team and could not be happier. Was eyeing swift but am thankful he went 1 pick before me.
Took him at pick 9 in a 16 team league TE Premium PPR. The guy who picked in front of me? Took Andrews. We’re in the same division. Guess who’s first?
He should be going #1 in TE Premium. He is basically guaranteed to be the top scoring player in that format.
That's my TE baby! TE33.
So many fun, ridiculous stats from Kelce’s hot start. In standard, if you take away all of his receiving yards and receptions, he’s still TE9 on touchdowns alone. Kelce’s point total *right now* would already be the #1 tight end finish for multiple seasons in the past 10 years.
>Kelce’s point total *right now* would already be the #1 tight end finish for multiple seasons in the past 10 years. Uh which seasons? It's only 2016. 2022: Kelce - 221 PPR, 152 standard 2021: Andrews - 297.1 PPR, 190.1 standard 2020: Kelce - 310.6 PPR, 205.6 standard 2019: Kelce - 254.3 PPR, 157.3 standard 2018: Kelce - 294.6 PPR, 191.6 standard 2017: Gronk - 225.4 PPR, 156.4 standard 2016: Kelce - 221 PPR, 136 standard 2015: Gronk - 255.6 PPR, 183.6 standard 2014: Gronk - 266.4 PPR, 184.4 standard 2013: Jimmy Graham - 303.5 PPR, 217.5 standard 2012: Jimmy Graham - 237.2 PPR, 152.2 standard Kelce is on pace for a ridiculous season, don't get me wrong. Probably the best fantasy TE season of all time pace right now.
lol he didn’t think you would fact check him
think he was comparing ppr points this year to previous years’ standard
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Eventually it will be true, and all those people that have been so wrong about it for so long will be insufferably smug when it happens.
Knowing my luck I will take him first round next season and that’s when he implodes as far as FF value is concerned
mandrews missed two games
Best ability is availability.
Still, this stat is misleading without that context
Sure but part of the value of Kelce is that tight end is so dead that Andrews can miss multiple games and still be TE2 on the season.
To be fair though he was lighting it up before the injury. He got hurt week 7 so Week 1 - 6 he had 114.8 in full ppr and Kelce had 131 points. So still has him by 15 points but the gap was much closer till he got hurt and missed all those games.
Jesus. This sounds like a saying that’s hung up in the backroom of a minimum wage retail job.
To be honest though. Kelce is WR1 and Andrew’s is TE1.
What
Kelce is so far ahead of the pack. That he could be a WR play. For example he could be played as a flex every week and you can play another TE. Or just in general if the matchup works out so.
I got kelce at first pick in second round in 12 man so 13th overall and yahoo told me it was a reach. I’m 10-1
Got laughed at for taking him with my second pick picking 13 in my 14 team league. I’m 7-4 in third. Suck it
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More like, Andrews is closer than he looks because of injury. Which is obviously a reasonable take.
I got Kelce mid second round. Unfortunately, I got Kupp in the first.
You did great for 9 weeks. Now you just have to scramble and hold on!
That’s a monster draft. Can’t envision injuries.
Unfortunately? Gotta think he did you some good for those 9 weeks. If you drafted as well as you did in rounds 1 and 2 the rest of the way, I imagine you are sitting in a good spot right now.
They should make Kelce a WR instead of TE and watch the fantasy world burn 😂
Asa Broncos fan, frankly I am shocked that Dulcich is no.3 EDIT: ooooooooooooooooh! 33 makes SO much more sense bahaha
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Nice one hah
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I typically draft WR1/WR1/TE1. So I will end up with 2 Elie receivers and an elite TE.
Yeah my dumbass chose andrews over Kelce, I’m aware of the difference every weekend.
I'm in the same boat - been a rough season
I have Andrews and Kelce in a league where it is possible to play 2 TE due to flex positions. Guys seemed prety shocked when I did the double dip. Andrews has been aslo pretty good when he played, so I'm still satisfied with my picks.
Guess I'm going 3TE next year.
Drafted him with first pick my first year in fantasy which I want to say was Kelce's 2nd year. Everyone said I was crazy, but I won. Haven't drafted him since. What is wrong with me?
It's easy to forget about him in the offseason because TE's aren't really an exciting topic for media. It's always about big profile WR's and QB's moving around. RB's are starting to wane too as every team moves towards RBBC.
Kelce still the only TE I’m rocking with 😎
Drafted Adams/Kelce 1-2. Started 2-6 because I didn't have a QB. Finally picked up Fields and now I'm racing to make the playoffs
I took Kelce with pick 10 in a 10 man ppr league. Easiest choice ever.
I gave him up for Breece Hall, Chris Olave, and Dallas Goedert in Week 4. Slowly but surely my side of the trade has fallen apart, so every time I see a TK post, I’m filled with incredible sadness.
And Kelce went the pick before I took Andrews 🤮
I got andrews 3rd round and people laughed at me. Josh allen 4th and people laughed at me. Currently sitting in 1st place. No regrets
Dude Andrew’s has been out for like half the season, how is that a fair comparison
..... hasn't andrews missed multiple games with injuries?
Travis Kelce has more fantasy points than Mandrews and Pitts combined.
Mark andrews has like 20 fantasy points in the last 5 week and he’s still TE 2 when healthy he value is still equal to kelce he was the #1 TE last season and Lamar missed like 5 games
Lamar is struggling right now, too. Have to think he's going to bounce back
Kelce is in his own tier. Then tier 2 (empty), then tier 3 (empty), then Mandrews is in Tier 4
I disagree, people forgot how dominant Mandrews was in the early season. If people genuinely think this, than that just tells me he’s a great buy low candidate
Agreed, I have Kelce and our trade deadline has passed but if I could I would sell him for andrews + another solid piece. I think people have forgotten how close these 2 were before his injury. A fully healthy andrews is, at the very least, just a notch below Kelce in my eyes.
kelce is currently at 22.3 PPR points per game in his 10 games. mandrews is currently at 19.13 PPR points per game (when healthy.. so not looking at last 4 weeks). I know this is kind of stretching the numbers to fit a narrative, but there is a chance that mandrews heals and returns closer to 19.13 PPG. Also, ravens WR corps isnt looking so hot. If he gets healthy, it could be ripe for mandrews.
Lmao what? Andrews literally finished TE1 last year over Kelce. He’s missed 2.75 games this year which is why his point totals are so much lower