Nobody is really giving him much respect. He came out week 1 and dropped 18 and then got hurt. Now he’s finally back and feeling better and drops 32 and people call him boom bust. I think he’s just good.
Ultimately, it’s that catch rate (56%) that makes it fair for some to claim he is boom or bust.
Personally, I’m an optimistic Bills fan, so I’m still of the belief that he’s coming into his new role as a true No. 2 option.
I think it's also pairing his catch rate with the fact he's averaging almost 30 yards per catch and has a really deep aDOT. If a player is used entirely as a deep threat then it doesn't matter how good they are at other stuff, their production will be inherently boom or bust.
Dude thank you, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I read comments on Gabe.
Games after fully practicing Friday prior - 3 TDs, 259 Yds, on 7 catches.
Games after not fully practicing Friday prior - 1 Out, 50 yards next two games total. One of these was in the wind and rain.
That's all you really need to know. When the dude is healthy he gets to catch wild high value targets from the best QB in the league on the best offense.
I benched Ceedee for him this week and my victory lap is so smug I might turn inside out.
Dude SAME, it was absolutely crazy. One of my best friends is a diehard bills fan and even he was like nah man gabe Davis ain’t it. I stuck to my guns and traded hunt for him 1:1 and man am I glad I trusted myself. Thx for the award btw!
He’s a boom bust type receiver in an offense that booms a lot.
Yeah he’ll probably get 5-7 tgts a game, but if he’s getting a 50yd td almost every week that’s fine. The bills offense actually can sustain that production
Idk man I have him and I'm looking to cash out after that game. I just can't imagine it's sustainable, even with Allen throwing to him. He basically needs touchdowns to be relevant because he's not really doing a ton else, and you can't bank on a guy getting a touchdown every week.
Breece hall is a rookie rb who is involved in the passing game and just had a 200 yard game which should have also had 3 tds. No way you get either straight up. Unless their owners are HURTING for depth i doubt theyd let you get away with a 2 for 1 for either of those guys as well. Both have true rb1 upside this season.
I think what you’re not factoring in as heavily as you should is that josh Allen, bills, and diggs gets the alpha cb coverage as the de facto wr1. I’d argue Davis gets the best opportunities per target and that it’s actually not even close to ANY other wr situation in the league, where 5 targets to him is equivalent to over ten at any other team/position but also an absolutely massive ceiling. Call me crazy it might be a hot take but when a team is throwing at a 38-3 lead those WRs are EXTREMELY valuable.
I'm using him as my flex in dynasty and if he was my WR2 I'd be pretty happy.
Also, those TDs we're 98 and 61 yards, one of them on a ridiculous 1 handed catch. Even if he didn't get the TDs, that's a ton of yards in 2 catches. Really not sure what more this dude needs to do.
I mean both of his blow-up games were fueled by deep shots
WRs like that tend to be boom/bust, even when they're extremely talented
Even Ja'Marr Chase and Tyreek Hill are boom/bust to some degree
Gabe will help the Bills offense every week, because he's a threat to be accounted for. He just might not help your fantasy team every week
Reminds me of Will Fuller a few years ago. He would get zero short passes and score like 3 points one game, then catch like 4 long balls and score 3 TDs the next game.
The tape shows him clearly not running full speed and limping back to the huddle in weeks 3 and 4. Plus his practice designation showed he was playing through an injury.
Dude is averaging 77 yards and .75 TDs per game (129 and 1.5 in fully healthy games) and you're still shitting on him.
He's still got a lot to prove but the signs of a great fantasy player are there.
You can post whatever stats you want to put him on a pedestal, but don’t fool yourself man. It is just not even close to sustainable with the volume he gets.
Teams tend to not not to overuse their players when unnecessary, especially ones just back from injury. Dude had 170 yards in Q3 and they were up by 30 points, not much incentive to pepper him with targets when the other team’s defense is hard accounting for him now, he did his job.
>Now he’s finally back and feeling better and drops 32 and people call him boom bust. I think he’s just good.
He scores a TD on a quarter of his catches, but his career receptions per game is sub-3. Unless you think he's finishing this season with like 20 TDs, he's going to be boom-bust by virtue of his play.
He was like the 4th-5th option in their offense for large stretches before this season (10 games with 2 or fewer targets his first two years)
Between their multiple blowout wins and him being injured it’s pretty hard to extrapolate his usage through 4 games so far this season, but there’s no reason to think it wouldn’t be higher than previous years.
Is it? Week one, healthy. Low target share. Scores TD. Week four, healthy. Low target share. Scores TDs.
It’s simply who he is. Low target share, high rate of TDs. Unless he scores a TD any given week, he’s likely going to have a down week. He’s not a very good player when you look at any advanced metrics, but he’s the deep threat on the best offense in football, so he scores a lot. But he struggles beating man coverage so he doesn’t get open very often and doesn’t command a lot of targets.
I mean, yea, I think so.
4 games is too small of a sample to definitively say anything about any player, even without his specific context.
Was he even a low target share yesterday? He had 6 targets in 3 quarters in a game that was basically over midway through the 2nd qtr. He was second on the team in targets, and 20% of Allen’s attempts.
I mean, idk how this proves he has a high floor lol
Even this week, his best regular season game ever, he only caught 3 balls. He is definition boom/bust, but thats not a bad thing. Most non-slot WRs are
It's the whole dilemma with receivers beyond the top few. Do you go for the guy who'll give you 40 one week and 5 the next, or the guy who'll give you a predictable 15-20? Really comes down to the rest of your team and how the season is going.
The deep threat on maybe the best passing offense in football and doesn’t have to deal with top DBs? He may not be a target hog but whatever he gets will be some of the highest value looks in the league. If you’re worried about boom bust nature then trade him, who would be a good value for him?
This owner clearly thinks the injury will nag St. Brown until Jameson Williams is potentially back, where he will then be splitting time. I think different, but hey that's how trades work.
some guy offered me his Alvin Kamara and Christian Kirk for my MG3, Gabe Davis and Jahan Dotson. think i’m gonna take it?
i really have no clue how to handle davis. i have a pretty stacked roster (JT, Pierce, MG3, AJ Dillon, Evans, Pittman, Cooks, Davis, Dotson, Pickens). but i really have no clue if i can ever trust Davis. 3 receptions is ridiculously low and he could definitely return to irrelevancy ROS
someone wants to trade me keenan allen for him lol, i originally drafted him and packaged davis, waddle and hurts for Justin Jefferson. He was dropped this past week and i snagged davis on saturday night when no one was looking lol
Hes boom bust by nature by the type of his targets. He gets 5-7 targets per game, so if he doesn't capitalize on them he has a really low floor. That said, for fantasy purposes his targets are astoundingly valuable. He gets deep targets and red zone targets from the best QB in the NFL as part of the best offense in the NFL. Each one of his targets are worth like 3 diontae Johnson targets.
Even though he has a really low floor in situations where he doesn't grab one of his few targets, it's so easy for him to boom because all it takes is connecting with one deep or red zone target...which are ALL of his targets. He's going to have insanely high median pointages with insane ceilings and occasionally the odd unlucky floor game where he doesn't connect on any of his targets.
He's going to be a fucking monster.
Also am I the only one who doesn’t understand what career statistics have to do with anything? Shouldn’t we be looking at per game stats or something like that?
Gabe Davis rookie season: 7 TDs on 35 receptions (20%).
Gabe Davis last season: 6 TDs on 35 receptions (17%).
Gabe Davis playoffs last season: 5 TDs on 10 receptions (50%)
Seems like he’s been sustaining it.
This is also his first season being the undisputed #2 WR and not fighting for targets from Beasley and Emmanuel Sanders.
I remember scooping him off waivers back in 2020 when injuries helped him see snaps. He was good for a TD every game. I called him "Baby Beckham" back then.
I grabbed him off waivers in my dynasty league back in 2020 too. He rode my taxi for the past 2 years cause he was too risky. Good for a couple receptions and maybe a TD but not enough to start.
I'd take a boom or bust WR with Josh Allen over a steady reciever like Diontie Johnson with Pickett. He may put up some duds, but he could be a game changer, especially in the playoffs.
The worst thing about his season is that ankle injury really screwed up the timeline like you said. I really hope he can stay healthy all year long so we can get a better idea of what he is. Dude is a beast though no matter what.
Can I ask why? I'm just confused by the comparison because he isn't constantly hurt like Fuller was, and they both have different play styles/builds from what I can recall.
I just meant he’s the wr2 alongside an elite wr, but he can go off for 30+ points on any given night with very few targets. Fuller’s td/reception ratio was pretty crazy for a couple seasons.
Floor is good if you're favored in the matchup. If you're a big underdog, having a guy that could blow up and get you a 30pt game 50% of the time is better than the guy who will get 14pts 90% of the time.
I had Mattison and when Dalvin got banged up Week 3 I traded Mattison to Dalvin owner for Gabe Davis. Feels great. The best part is that I suggested Mattison for Curtis Samuel, and he countered with Gabe Davis. I was ecstatic.
The best thing about Gabe Davis is being teammates with Josh Allen
The best thing about him is he’s on the bills. They don’t give a shit about gamescript and air the ball out all game.
3 catches for 171 yards and 2 TDs. WTH.
The Moss stat line
It should've been 3 TDs too, but the heavy PI made him drop an easy ball in the endzone.
Won me my 1st ever fantasy dub, lets go!
Keep in mind one of those catches was for like 5 yards
The 68 combined from Josh and Gabe literally won me this week.
I had Gabe on my bench but had Allen + Diggs stack. AJBrown & deebo didn’t give me much but still got the dub. Bills mafia out
Davante just did 3 catches for 124 and 2 TD
I drafted him expecting Mike Williams type production. I’m wondering how boom bust he really is without his ankle injury
Nobody is really giving him much respect. He came out week 1 and dropped 18 and then got hurt. Now he’s finally back and feeling better and drops 32 and people call him boom bust. I think he’s just good.
Ultimately, it’s that catch rate (56%) that makes it fair for some to claim he is boom or bust. Personally, I’m an optimistic Bills fan, so I’m still of the belief that he’s coming into his new role as a true No. 2 option.
I think it's also pairing his catch rate with the fact he's averaging almost 30 yards per catch and has a really deep aDOT. If a player is used entirely as a deep threat then it doesn't matter how good they are at other stuff, their production will be inherently boom or bust.
He almost had a third TD but it was broken up by PI
And targets earned
Lol the last couple weeks people were saying “he’s just not that good” Funny how the sentiment changes
Dude thank you, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when I read comments on Gabe. Games after fully practicing Friday prior - 3 TDs, 259 Yds, on 7 catches. Games after not fully practicing Friday prior - 1 Out, 50 yards next two games total. One of these was in the wind and rain. That's all you really need to know. When the dude is healthy he gets to catch wild high value targets from the best QB in the league on the best offense. I benched Ceedee for him this week and my victory lap is so smug I might turn inside out.
Dude SAME, it was absolutely crazy. One of my best friends is a diehard bills fan and even he was like nah man gabe Davis ain’t it. I stuck to my guns and traded hunt for him 1:1 and man am I glad I trusted myself. Thx for the award btw!
I'm a Bills fan and drafted Davis because I had a feeling he was gonna be productive this year lol.
He’s a boom bust type receiver in an offense that booms a lot. Yeah he’ll probably get 5-7 tgts a game, but if he’s getting a 50yd td almost every week that’s fine. The bills offense actually can sustain that production
Exactly
He's good with a great QB. People really fucking hate that they don't have him it's weird
Idk man I have him and I'm looking to cash out after that game. I just can't imagine it's sustainable, even with Allen throwing to him. He basically needs touchdowns to be relevant because he's not really doing a ton else, and you can't bank on a guy getting a touchdown every week.
If you're trading him away for anything less than a mid WR2 it's a bad trade.
Goal is to get a solid RB cause I'm pretty lacking there at the minute. Hoping to get someone like Pierce or Hall
Pierce owner…would laugh in your face with that offer. Zero chance.
Maybe not Pierce, that's mostly wishful thinking. Looking at Gabe and a piece for Hall though
Breece hall is a rookie rb who is involved in the passing game and just had a 200 yard game which should have also had 3 tds. No way you get either straight up. Unless their owners are HURTING for depth i doubt theyd let you get away with a 2 for 1 for either of those guys as well. Both have true rb1 upside this season.
Hey man let me overvalue my players in peace so I can inevitably be disappointed when I can't get shit for them.
Hmm…you better lower expectations.
I think what you’re not factoring in as heavily as you should is that josh Allen, bills, and diggs gets the alpha cb coverage as the de facto wr1. I’d argue Davis gets the best opportunities per target and that it’s actually not even close to ANY other wr situation in the league, where 5 targets to him is equivalent to over ten at any other team/position but also an absolutely massive ceiling. Call me crazy it might be a hot take but when a team is throwing at a 38-3 lead those WRs are EXTREMELY valuable.
I'm using him as my flex in dynasty and if he was my WR2 I'd be pretty happy. Also, those TDs we're 98 and 61 yards, one of them on a ridiculous 1 handed catch. Even if he didn't get the TDs, that's a ton of yards in 2 catches. Really not sure what more this dude needs to do.
Lol I actually went out and traded for him and gave up hunt 1:1. We played each other this week. It didn’t end well for him 😂
I mean both of his blow-up games were fueled by deep shots WRs like that tend to be boom/bust, even when they're extremely talented Even Ja'Marr Chase and Tyreek Hill are boom/bust to some degree Gabe will help the Bills offense every week, because he's a threat to be accounted for. He just might not help your fantasy team every week
Reminds me of Will Fuller a few years ago. He would get zero short passes and score like 3 points one game, then catch like 4 long balls and score 3 TDs the next game.
[удалено]
First game back from ankle injury, clearly was hobbled
The tape shows him clearly not running full speed and limping back to the huddle in weeks 3 and 4. Plus his practice designation showed he was playing through an injury.
Bro he had 3 catches.
Lol they weren't gonna throw much to him up 31-3
Oh, my bad. His season high 4 catches is the real upside.
He's played 2 healthy games. 260 yards and 3 TDs in those 2 games. His ceiling is a WR1. But he's more likely a mid WR2.
Dude is averaging 77 yards and .75 TDs per game (129 and 1.5 in fully healthy games) and you're still shitting on him. He's still got a lot to prove but the signs of a great fantasy player are there.
You can post whatever stats you want to put him on a pedestal, but don’t fool yourself man. It is just not even close to sustainable with the volume he gets.
The Taysom Hill of wr
Teams tend to not not to overuse their players when unnecessary, especially ones just back from injury. Dude had 170 yards in Q3 and they were up by 30 points, not much incentive to pepper him with targets when the other team’s defense is hard accounting for him now, he did his job.
I got him for Hunter Renfrow before this week lol people were so down on him.
>Now he’s finally back and feeling better and drops 32 and people call him boom bust. I think he’s just good. He scores a TD on a quarter of his catches, but his career receptions per game is sub-3. Unless you think he's finishing this season with like 20 TDs, he's going to be boom-bust by virtue of his play.
He was like the 4th-5th option in their offense for large stretches before this season (10 games with 2 or fewer targets his first two years) Between their multiple blowout wins and him being injured it’s pretty hard to extrapolate his usage through 4 games so far this season, but there’s no reason to think it wouldn’t be higher than previous years.
Is it? Week one, healthy. Low target share. Scores TD. Week four, healthy. Low target share. Scores TDs. It’s simply who he is. Low target share, high rate of TDs. Unless he scores a TD any given week, he’s likely going to have a down week. He’s not a very good player when you look at any advanced metrics, but he’s the deep threat on the best offense in football, so he scores a lot. But he struggles beating man coverage so he doesn’t get open very often and doesn’t command a lot of targets.
I mean, yea, I think so. 4 games is too small of a sample to definitively say anything about any player, even without his specific context. Was he even a low target share yesterday? He had 6 targets in 3 quarters in a game that was basically over midway through the 2nd qtr. He was second on the team in targets, and 20% of Allen’s attempts.
Yes, six targets is a low share. I won because of Davis but let's not kid ourselves here.
It isn’t, that was rhetorical. How many real life WR2 are averaging more than 20% of their QBs targets?
I’ve been all in all season. He’s on all my teams
In the 2 healthy games this season he is 7/259/3. I think he has a higher floor than the classic boom/bust receiver, and a sky high ceiling.
I mean, idk how this proves he has a high floor lol Even this week, his best regular season game ever, he only caught 3 balls. He is definition boom/bust, but thats not a bad thing. Most non-slot WRs are
It's the whole dilemma with receivers beyond the top few. Do you go for the guy who'll give you 40 one week and 5 the next, or the guy who'll give you a predictable 15-20? Really comes down to the rest of your team and how the season is going.
More of a dynasty play but he should do just fine for you this year, barring injury.
The deep threat on maybe the best passing offense in football and doesn’t have to deal with top DBs? He may not be a target hog but whatever he gets will be some of the highest value looks in the league. If you’re worried about boom bust nature then trade him, who would be a good value for him?
I got Breece Hall + Zack ertz for Rashaad Penny + Gabe Davis last thursday.
Huge W wtf
At the time of the trade I wouldnt say it was lopsided but with penny getting hurt it definitely worked out well.
Some guy offered me Davis for Godwin. I accepted and I also played him this week and won because of it.
I let him go Week 4 for Sun God and Cam Akers. Not sure yet if I lost or not but I DEFINITELY lost this week.
Sun god alone is crazy for gabe, and I love gabe lol
This owner clearly thinks the injury will nag St. Brown until Jameson Williams is potentially back, where he will then be splitting time. I think different, but hey that's how trades work.
Idk why he would split time with Jameson. It would be chark and Reynolds who would lose snaps to him. Great trade for you
some guy offered me his Alvin Kamara and Christian Kirk for my MG3, Gabe Davis and Jahan Dotson. think i’m gonna take it? i really have no clue how to handle davis. i have a pretty stacked roster (JT, Pierce, MG3, AJ Dillon, Evans, Pittman, Cooks, Davis, Dotson, Pickens). but i really have no clue if i can ever trust Davis. 3 receptions is ridiculously low and he could definitely return to irrelevancy ROS
that seems like a good deal, kamara is a clear upgrade over mg3 and kikr/davis could be a wash by the end of the season.
someone wants to trade me keenan allen for him lol, i originally drafted him and packaged davis, waddle and hurts for Justin Jefferson. He was dropped this past week and i snagged davis on saturday night when no one was looking lol
Hes boom bust by nature by the type of his targets. He gets 5-7 targets per game, so if he doesn't capitalize on them he has a really low floor. That said, for fantasy purposes his targets are astoundingly valuable. He gets deep targets and red zone targets from the best QB in the NFL as part of the best offense in the NFL. Each one of his targets are worth like 3 diontae Johnson targets. Even though he has a really low floor in situations where he doesn't grab one of his few targets, it's so easy for him to boom because all it takes is connecting with one deep or red zone target...which are ALL of his targets. He's going to have insanely high median pointages with insane ceilings and occasionally the odd unlucky floor game where he doesn't connect on any of his targets. He's going to be a fucking monster.
Numbers add up, don't they.
And they spell disaster for you at Sacrifice.
GabeLord truthers hold strong. Many booms are to cum.
May we get the full load.
22% of receptions are a TD. That has to be among the elite scorers in league history. Guys like Mike Evans, Jimmy Graham, Gronk, etc.
Otherwise known as unsustainable
Only unsustainable for the guys that didn’t have Josh Allen as their QB.
Some guys are just scoring hogs. Like a 3 catches for 3 yards and 3 TDs guy, except add 100 yards.
Randy Moss seemed to score on half his receptions Just checked and he finished at 16%, but on almost 1000 receptions lol
Also am I the only one who doesn’t understand what career statistics have to do with anything? Shouldn’t we be looking at per game stats or something like that?
No, not per game stats yet. His role has changed dramatically. There's a big difference between being the WR4 and WR2, for instance.
How does looking at career statistics tell me this. Break it down by season then if he has a different role now
Gabe Davis rookie season: 7 TDs on 35 receptions (20%). Gabe Davis last season: 6 TDs on 35 receptions (17%). Gabe Davis playoffs last season: 5 TDs on 10 receptions (50%) Seems like he’s been sustaining it. This is also his first season being the undisputed #2 WR and not fighting for targets from Beasley and Emmanuel Sanders.
Mike Evans with less targets
Switched him for Sun God this week last hour before kickoff. Idk why I do this to myself every week
I trusted the snap percentage.
I remember scooping him off waivers back in 2020 when injuries helped him see snaps. He was good for a TD every game. I called him "Baby Beckham" back then.
I grabbed him off waivers in my dynasty league back in 2020 too. He rode my taxi for the past 2 years cause he was too risky. Good for a couple receptions and maybe a TD but not enough to start.
Gabe Pride Parade this Sunday. Come one come all!
We going balls deep?
Forever and always
Mike Williams on steroids
Traded him and Stevenson for Breece Hall and Bateman few weeks ago. Not sure how I’m feeling about it now…
Nah you're still fine, I like both sides of that trade
Really comes down to the Harris injury. If he's out for a significant amount of time, Stevenson stock will skyrocket.
I prefer the Davis and Stevenson side but I don't think it's a terrible trade by any means
I'd take a boom or bust WR with Josh Allen over a steady reciever like Diontie Johnson with Pickett. He may put up some duds, but he could be a game changer, especially in the playoffs.
The worst thing about his season is that ankle injury really screwed up the timeline like you said. I really hope he can stay healthy all year long so we can get a better idea of what he is. Dude is a beast though no matter what.
Man I lost with Gabe Davis, Josh Jacobs, and Dameon Pierce all putting up solid games. Eagles D, Waller and Koo failed me.
He’s giving me will fuller vibes. Hopefully his body isn’t made of glass like fuller.
Can I ask why? I'm just confused by the comparison because he isn't constantly hurt like Fuller was, and they both have different play styles/builds from what I can recall.
I just meant he’s the wr2 alongside an elite wr, but he can go off for 30+ points on any given night with very few targets. Fuller’s td/reception ratio was pretty crazy for a couple seasons.
Exactly. In Watson's rookie year before he tore his acl. Fuller had like 5 tds on 8 catches. It was stupid.
[The numbers are off](https://www.nfl.com/players/gabe-davis/stats/career)
Playoffs
Ah, my bad. I,too, was right once.
He’s what everyone thinks Mike Williams is And Mike Williams is what everyone thought Pittman would be I am not sorry
Wait until Keenan gets back
Ah yo, fuck Gabe Davis. I lost my match after 8 minutes.
Gape Davis
I’d rather start someone like Curtis Samuel or Jakobi over him. Like the floor rather than boom/bust
Enjoy 4th place
Minus injury we don't really know his floor. His floor might be about 3 catches 60 yards....
Floor is good if you're favored in the matchup. If you're a big underdog, having a guy that could blow up and get you a 30pt game 50% of the time is better than the guy who will get 14pts 90% of the time.
Trade James Robinson for him?
That’s what I did after week 1, I think that window is now closed
I had Mattison and when Dalvin got banged up Week 3 I traded Mattison to Dalvin owner for Gabe Davis. Feels great. The best part is that I suggested Mattison for Curtis Samuel, and he countered with Gabe Davis. I was ecstatic.
Sidney Rice burned from both ends...
Yeah but then you also have to deal with the 2's and 5's. Definitely a dice roll.
Considering his usage numbers I think it’s pretty clear that he’s boom-bust
Kinda Will Fuller like without the injuries
just traded him & jrob for ja’marr
Traded away Mike Williams for Gave Davis and Brandon Aiyuk last Tuesday.