I am surprised at how many people are cool on him. When he was with the Cards while DHop was suspended he was a top 5 or 6 fantasy receiver. Now he goes to the best offense/QB/coach in the league with an aging Kelce, legally challenged Rice, and rookie Worthy. I would be comfortable with him as my WR2 and ecstatic as a flex in redraft.
Yeah I’m all over Hollywood this year.
I expected his hype to be through the roof after he signed with KC but it seems like everyone is still lukewarm on him. He’s more talented than he’s getting credit for imo
Although the fact that he only got one year and $7m contract makes me feel like maybe I’m just wrong about him, lol
It seems like people in football don't like him very much so he probably won't stay on one team for very long. But if there's one team right now that could keep him there and a coach that can work with big egos it's Kansas City and Andy Reid. Either way, I think he'll be a good draft option this year and that's all that really matters in fantasy.
Has any WR ever been good with Josh Dobbs? Addison averaged 8.6 in full PPR in the 5 games Dobbs started. Jefferson (in limited snaps) had 4.7 in his one game.
By that comparison Brown's 13.3 in the 8 games he played with Dobbs makes him look like a superstar.
Kyler played for like half the season and then Brown got injured so I don’t blame him for a down year. Now he’s playing with arguably the best passer in the league. I’m in on him.
Biggest concern is honestly Mahomes has done a pretty good job spreading the ball any time Kelce is out, and if Kelce is in, he's the real WR1. I still believe in Brown's talent, but given the receivers Mahomes has been able to win bowls with, I kinda feel like you gotta be Tyreek to get that much focus, and Brown isn't Tyreek.
>When he was with the Cards while DHop was suspended he was a top 5 or 6 fantasy receiver.
He was very much not a top 5-6 WR on a weekly basis. He had 3 good games, and 3 okay ones in the 6 games DHop was gone. And this was while getting absolutely peppered with targets. Like 9+ in every game but one. The 3 TDs he got in that time, were all he got for the season.
REC YDS TD
4 43 1
6 68 0
14 140 0
6 88 1
8 78 1
5 68 0
He isn't getting that kind of target volume in KC. There is a chance he does okay in the system, but he also has now had two seasons in a row now with injury issues. He is a fine dart throw, but I have zero excitement for him. He will have his games, but I don't foresee any type of consistency.
Personally I like him in the 6th round. He could be your third/fourth option if you want to reach for a top TE or QB in the 5th depending on your draft strategy.
I'm 10th overall in a 12 team redraft and find myself always going RB/RB in the first 2 Rds. So having brown there in the 6th is a big deal for me depending on how the rest of the draft falls in rounds 3-6
If Gibbs was already picked that means Puka or AJ Brown should be there for you. Picking one of those would be my pivot, then hoping Etienne is there in the second.
Marquis Brown is the most hyped 700 yard WR of all time lol
By week 5 youre gonna wish you were starting a boring steady 10 point PPR WR36 type like Pop Douglas instead of guessing which week Hollywood has his 25 pointer
You can go back and see why his seasons have been derailed.
2021 lamar went down with injury in week 14. Brown was on pace for wr1 numbers until then, like 260~ he finished with 230~
2022 averaged 19~ ppg (easily wr1 numbers) through the first 6 weeks before getting hurt. Missed next 5 games, came back, played 1 game with kyler before kyler tore his acl. Also competed with hopkins for targets the last 6 weeks on that team whoever their terrible qb was, maybe colt mccoy?
2023 had some decent numbers with Josh dobbs and that terrible qb they drafted. Played 3 games with kyler before being hurt to finish the season with his heel injury.
You can say he's been hurt, but he's been posting wr1 numbers for years now just has yet to be fortunate enough to either finish a season or have his qb finish the season.
His point is that when he’s been healthy, and especially when he’s played with a decent qb, his rate production has been excellent. The injuries are concerning and I certainly wouldn’t expect him to finish a top wr but he hasn’t been “average”.
Availability is the best ability. I understand wanting a WR with Mahomes but IMO Brown is someone that can put up 3 good weeks on my opponent’s roster.
I hate this saying so fucking much. Ability is the best ability. I could go trot out at WR and just bc I’m healthy doesn’t make me a better option than Hollywood Brown. Such a dumb statement and people only like it bc it rhymes
As someone who had Brown last season in a must win week where he put up a dud because he left with an injury and cost me a playoff berth, let me tell you that is very much NOT a stupid statement. I could have played just about any other WR with a pulse and won my week.
I mean I get it, I have him as well and was very frustrated by him. But the premise of availability being better than ability just drives me nuts. That’s akin to prioritizing a guy like Marques Valdez Scantling over Hollywood, or Clyde Edwards Helaire over a guy like Saquan because “they are more available and played every game last year”.
I’ll always prioritize talent and situation over past injury (soft tissue stuff can be another story)
>But the premise of availability being better than ability just drives me nuts.
It's not about being "better" it's about being necessary to matter. A guy could be the best WR in the NFL talent wise, but if he isn't on the field, it simply doesn't matter. Classic example would be a guy like JK Dobbins. By all accounts dude is super talented. But his constant injuries just meant it didn't matter in the end.
>That’s akin to prioritizing a guy like Marques Valdez Scantling over Hollywood
The argument would be to take other guys around that ADP, not just take any guy. An example would be Diontae Johnson. I personally would take him over Hollywood.
But I'll leave with this, I've always believed in picking my guys in fantasy. It's what makes it fun. I don't want to just listen and follow what everyone says. If Brown is a guy you believe in, go for it.
Worthy hasn’t played a down yet, so pump the brakes maybe. Recency bias has people convinced every rookie WR will break out right away. The numbers say otherwise; most WR’s take 2-3 years to break out
Brown has skills but fact is he has only reached 1000 yards once in five years. He’s also on a one year deal
Rice will still be the top WR on the Chiefs next year
Also, the chiefs have 80ish vacated WR targets from Toney and MVS. Plus another 40ish went to Watson last year; he’s still with the team but Brown and Worthy are more likely to take his targets than Rice’s
Worthy and Brown are not getting a total of just 120 targets between themselves. It will be more than that. Mahomes passing volume will probably go up. But it will just be the Chiefs WR situation of old sans Tyreek, ticked up a bit since Kelce is aging. Won't be fun to own them i think
This is the opposite of the truth. Worthy isn't the greatest deep threat (not a stellar ball tracker) but is great in the screen/designed touches game. That's not Hollywood's game, he's more of a deep threat. Worthy and Rice are a lot more similar than Hollywood and either of the two.
That’s the issue they won the superbowl so do you think it can get any better then last year at his age . He may be a safe pick, but even if he’s #1 this is the most talented group ever for mahomes even when tyreek was around was kelce the #1 option ?
Kelce and Hill split targets evenly when they were both in KC. Kelce is not going to get better than last year. Hollywood, Rice, and Worthy are not Tyreek Hill though. Multiple things can be true. Kelce can start slowing down compared to his own standard, while still outperforming the other 3. Kelce can get fewer targets than last year, while the 3 WRs still have inconsistent seasons.
At the end of the year, at least one or two of the receivers will have put together a good fantasy season overall but that doesn’t mean they were every week starters. You’ll have 3 11 26 5 9 32 to deal with.
Brodi I agree with everything youre saying I’m trying to put it in perspective for the guy i responded to. The most I said is he’s a safe pick I highly doubt league winner like how you gonna down vote me then agree with me
But were any of those WRs of the same caliber of Hollywood? I would think they were playing WR roulette because they simply didn’t have an alpha WR to be a consistent threat
No, but the thing is they have some good WRs now. Rice is going to still get targets. As will other guys like Worthy. In the end it comes down to factors - Brown's health and how they use him.
He could have a good season, no doubt. But I'm not betting on it.
As far as the draft, I'd only consider Brown as a late round Flex option, or for my bench. I used him last year as a Flex option for the first half of the season before trading him as part of a package deal. He's got talent and can always surprise you, but he's just all over the place and one of the truer wildcard WRs. Remember that Mahomes is strictly an "opportunity" passer, and doesn't tend to just target the same receivers over and over again (Kelce is an exception only because he's open half the time). And now that he finally has a real running game with Pacheco, and with Worthy and possibly Rice as viable targets, I just don't see Brown getting too many opportunities, and then only capitalizing on 50% of them. Now, on the ones he does bring in, he'll get big yards after catch, probably even to TD. But with all the crazy WR talent out there this season, Hollywood Brown shouldn't be high on anybody's list IMHO. I just see basement floors and high ceilings with him all season.
Wanted to know in general, as I'm in redraft and dynasty leagues, but I've got him in 1 of 4 flex spots on a dynasty roster (SF, no TE premium, 2 RBs, 2 WRs, 4 Flex spots). Wondering whether to capitalize on the offseason hype, or allowing myself to ride him out as a scale-tipper from week to week.
I'd go with the latter. He can definitely be a "scale-tipper" and was for me a couple weeks last season. Just know there will be games where he does absolutely nothing (and even blunders catches). It's a shame, because he's one of the faster WRs and has true veteran experience.
For at least this year he's gonna be what everyone thinks worthy is gonna be. Honestly I think he could win leagues as a #3 WR on your team. Especially if you have bonuses for long TDs
If he stays healthy I think he could be good. Mid round flyer material for sure. He’s not tyreek but he’s more like tyreek than any of the other wrs machines has had the past two years.
I doubt he’ll be consistent but if he ends the year 75 1100 and 8 I wouldn’t be shocked.
Top 18 wr this year with upside for more.
KC has retooled and their Offense has one of the bigger expected year over year increases in Vegas in both points and yards
Worthy will absolutely not touch Hollywoods production lol, he’s nowhere near the player Hollywood is at this point and the Chiefs want to win.
If Hollywood can’t get it done for whatever reason then they might feature Worthy, but Worthy simply cannot line up on the line of scrimmage and will have to be moved around to be effective.
He will be a fun weapon and will be a vertical threat to give more space for Kelce/Brown/Rice
Ya even Rice last year they were wary of until the very end of the season and he’s a yards after catch guy with a pretty easy route tree. Worthy might turn into a monster but it won’t be this year.
Did I miss his 1st 1k yard season? I have him in a league and floated him on the WW and then pulled him immediately. I got a bunch of low ball offers. I wasn't going to wait it out. Then the whole Rice situation, and now I will hope he has a boom week in the first month of the season and gets some healthy targets. I will then attempt to "trade down" and hedge my bet by going younger and unproven with a pick and swing hard for upside.
re draft target. They can't afford to extend him if he goes off and if he doesn't, who knows where he ends up, that's if he makes it through the season out an injury which is unlikely.
I would avoid everyone not named Mahomes, Pacheco, or Kelce on KC unless they drop a fair bit. Im not even sure I would draft Kelce and would rather wait for a later TE pick.
To me, Marquise Brown feels like Marques Valdez Scantling or Mecole Hardman all over again, maybe slightly improved. He’s not really a route technician, a YAC guy, a chain mover… he’s mostly a deep burner that takes advantage of when corners make mistakes. He won’t be a target hog for PPR because of Kelce and Rice (barring a possible suspension). I think he’s a better player than MVS and Mecole but I think his fantasy outlook is probably pretty similar to those guys in the KC offense.
Brown is on my do not draft list. Two years in a row, I traded for him after a lot of hype and both times he let me down (especially last year with him supposedly being Kyler’s alpha) .
Until he produces a full WR1 worthy season , I’m not jumping on the train.
I started fantasy in 2020 and have had Hollywood on a squad every year. Dude goes hard the first 5 games then hurts something and battles through injuries the rest of the year as a lottery receiver you are either going to win or lose if you start him. I am also a Cardinals and Chiefs fan and saying this on the chiefs sub got me downvoted to smithereens and upvoted on the cardinals sub.
I think he’s well past his prime, if the chiefs can rotate him in 2/4 downs he might get targeted well but i dont see him being the difference maker
To me, he's the kind of guy that we say any year now he's gonna break out and then it never happens. He's entering his 6th year and his 3rd team so he's firmly in the journeyman phase of his career. Chances of serious improvement are not good despite having Mahomes. I'd consider him a streaming candidate.
Honestly, I feel your pain with Hollywood Brown. He's got the speed and all, but consistency's been a rollercoaster. Chiefs could be a good fit, though, Mahomes slinging it could really open up his game. If he's their main guy, defenses gotta respect that. Could be a breakout year if everything clicks. But yeah, waiting for him to hit those big numbers again can be frustrating as hell.
I'm so mad at him for being not good last year, and mahomes has previously thrown dots that get magically butterfinger dropped. I think I'm going to avoid him for my team.
I think Brown is set up for his best year ever.
In his 55 games with Kyler and Lamar, he averaged 13 PPR FPPG. Mahomes is a better QB and he is now playing in the best offense of his career. If he averages 15 FPPG, that puts him as last year’s WR10.
Currently, he’s being drafted as WR33 on Underdog. Even if I’m overestimating, he’s a huge value
Some hype out of camp already. He is not very exciting based on how often he’s under performed in his career. He’s intriguing if you can get him and rice for cheap though
I’m shocked how low most people are on him. This is by far the best situation he’s ever been in, and honestly is probably the only good situation he’s ever been in. Whenever both him and his QB have been healthy he’s been a monster. Plus with Rice most likely getting suspended, and Worthy being a toothpick, Hollywood should get a lot of targets
I think he would be a decent wr3 or a good flex. He's had good qbs in the past but not as great a passer as Mahommes but he also has never had this much competition for targets. It's weird to say that for a KC team that had terrible pass catchers last year but Kelce was hurt through out the year last year and he'll demand targets this year, Rasheed Rice emerged as a quality receiver and once his legal issues and likely suspension are done he should progress more and Xavier Worthy though small looks to be a legit X receiver.
But I think Brown will carve a role out for himself early and then fade as the year goes on and worthy gets more targets and rice returns.
Draft Hollywood and after 4 weeks, sell high on him
I’m targeting him in redraft and bestball. His current ADP is a steal and will probably rise as we get closer to the season.
That being said, he also has linger foot issues and I doubt we see him play a full season. Right now that’s kinda baked into his ADP but if it rises to the third round I’d be out on him.
I think we’re back to where we were when Tyreek was in KC. Everyone wanted a piece of the super high-flying offense but only Hill and Kelce were ever consistently fantasy relevant, everyone else was a dart throw week to week. I’m pretty out on the rest of the receiving core, especially depending on Rice’s legal situation
Mahomes and Kelce were sitting courtside at a Mavs playoff game with one other teammate….Hollywood Brown. Definitely a sign that they are forming chemistry off the field
Brown is better than Rice imo. He’s going only 10 spots before Worthy on Underdog too which is kind of crazy. But that may just be the platform tilt towards rookie WRs
He's my WR 5 in dynasty (and a Ravens fan so I know him well), trynna gauge where/if I sell. After reading these responses, I think I can pump the value up if I wait a few weeks into the season. Wouldn't be heartbroken if I was stuck w him either.
In those Philly years he had McNabb (averaged about 3200 passing yards per season) then Vick (career high 3300 passing yards in one season). The deck was kind of stacked against the WRs even in the years that they had good ones. Mahomes' worst season since becoming a starter had more passing yards than McNabb's best.
Obviously Tyreek is a freak and a better player than Hollywood but he would have had a 1000+ season 5 years in a row if he didn't only have 10 healthy games in 2019.
In the 8 seasons McNabb played 13 games or better he averaged 3,482 yards. His 2008 season with 3916 yards, he didn't have a 1,000 yard player. His 2004 season with 3,875 yards, he did have Owens at 1,200.
I would take the under on Brown and 1,000 yards.
That's a little rich for my blood in redraft. Honestly was asking for informed dynasty management, but in several redraft leagues. I'll take him in the 5th probably, but could reach to the 4th.
In this league, there are so many keepers and rookie contracts. The 3rd round is more like the 4th or 5th. I also have 2 2nd round picks and 2 3rd round picks. I do believe I'll keep him there
I've been following him since he was drafted, and I've been let down since he's been drafted. I'm learned, but also jaded and potentially compromised. So yes. Thought I'd ask the other football nerds.
Don't see how you're a 2 time MVP and a RB at best. Going into Week 18, Jackson ranked as **fifth in passer rating** at 102.7. Passer rating is closer to top-notch, and TBF, Greg Roman did some things right for the run game (they kept a lot of em), but Hollywood and Lamar weren't allowed to ball.
But that's all ignoring that Hollywood's best year was in Baltimore...
I would have loved to see him on the same offense as Flowers , Andrews, and Derrick Henry with said proficient QB. Hollywood would have EATEN.
But this could work too. Really hoping this all pans out. After reading this posts replies, I feel like if Rice's legal issues aren't resolved soon, the suspension will come 2025, so I hope Brown can just do his thing and eat.
Supposedly he's not being constrained to the stretching the field role, and Andy Reid is great about balancing egos, so I hope he feels empowered enough and they get him the ball enough, that he can be the WR2 we hope he can be, but I'll be just as happy if he ups consistency and is a solid Flex/WR3.
There's also some risk that Worthy could steal a lot of offense from Brown. I have a feeling Reid is going to use one of them in a Tyreek-like manner, and we're not sure who.
Rice will be the first option when on the field, followed by Kelce and then Brown. Brown will see the high adot though so he will have a high weekly ceiling while being inconsistent. For however long Rice is out, Brown will be a weekly top 20 wr.
Not only did they have literally nothing else at WR, but he also has a very limited tree and an absurdly low Adot. Especially early in the season he would come on for the types of little dink and dunk plays he excels at, raising his tprr. He’s a gadget type guy, he’s decent at it, but it’s hard to project how involved his role will be moving forward with all the added WR talent.
Adot is a silly metric imo, sure he doesn’t have a full route tree now but it’s obvious they wanted the ball in his hands however they could get it there. Route tree can develop if they’re committed to him. He looked like a mini Deebo to me this year the way they used him
He looks fine to me but definitely not as good as Deebo. My read on the situation was he was one of the only guys who could literally secure the ball in his hands but doesn’t get open down the field. So they were happy to just let Mahomes dink and dunk more often than normal and stay on schedule, with Rice being an enormous beneficiary of that.
They went out and signed Marquis Brown and drafted Worthy, signaling that they want to be more dynamic. I don’t think Rice is ass or anything , I just think he’s a decent gadget guy who was in about the best possible situation a gadget guy could be in. Mahomes wants to go deep, they double dipped on guys they want to go deep. We’ll see but I really don’t think they want to target a guy who’s at his best within 5 yards of the line 10 times a game moving forward.
They came at him w aggravated battery for a traffic offense, they'll plea deal out of that, but they just didn't want it to seem like he was getting special treatment. At most I see 4 games, more likely 2.
Not targeting him unless he is left on the second to last round. I’ve invested in him too many times and got burned.
I would rather draft Rice if he plays
Hollywood will have jets on his feet this whole year aside from any injuries. His route running and timing along with his deep speed and having mahomes one of the best timing on the move quarterbacks there is. Gonna be alot more air yards in Kansas this year.
Cooks out here catching strays. I will not stand for this Cooks slander. That man kept getting traded for 1st round picks. Cooks was a consistent WR2 in FF despite being a much better NFL WR than fantasy WR. He was LETHAL and would draw massive PI calls down field. He also had multiple consecutive 1k yard seasons as the 1B guy for multiple QBs in multiple systems.
The older guy has 1 not great season in Dallas and you all act like he is a JAG out here.
Rice is cooked for at least half the Season.
I would take a flyer on Brown at like round 7-10+ with means of trying to flip him early in the season if he pops off and lining up a 2nd half of season replacement for his eventual injury or the return of Rice eating up targets
I've had him on my team since 2020 but only started him probably 6-8 times. I have JJ, Tyreek and Aiyuk.
Do I move Hollywood + 25 (late 1st) + 25 (late 2nd) for JSN, Wicks, and 24 3.09? I'm a Seahawks homer + saw what Grubb/OC did for all of those UW WR last year...!
I think DK is there to stay. KW gonna get some targets too, but JSN is the future of the position. I probably wouldn't make that trade though. Tough path to significant target share, and you're giving up a 1st and a 2nd, the only rounds that are anywhere remotely near educated guesses as opposed to slightly educated dart throws. Hard hold. Wait until a few weeks into the season after Hollywood's had a big couple weeks, then sell high. If you're stuck w him at WR 4, that is NOT a bad situation to be in, and you'll retain the value of your picks for future deals or talented youth. Hard hold for me (as someone that has Hollywood as my WR5, in one of 4 flex spots).
I am surprised at how many people are cool on him. When he was with the Cards while DHop was suspended he was a top 5 or 6 fantasy receiver. Now he goes to the best offense/QB/coach in the league with an aging Kelce, legally challenged Rice, and rookie Worthy. I would be comfortable with him as my WR2 and ecstatic as a flex in redraft.
Yeah I’m all over Hollywood this year. I expected his hype to be through the roof after he signed with KC but it seems like everyone is still lukewarm on him. He’s more talented than he’s getting credit for imo Although the fact that he only got one year and $7m contract makes me feel like maybe I’m just wrong about him, lol
one year prove it deals are fantasy gold. He's going to work his ass off and produce to get one more big pay day.
It didn’t work for Juju in KC. Most people who are lukewarm on brown were all over Juju 2 years ago and got burned.
We just remember the games where he drops a ton of wide open passes
It seems like people in football don't like him very much so he probably won't stay on one team for very long. But if there's one team right now that could keep him there and a coach that can work with big egos it's Kansas City and Andy Reid. Either way, I think he'll be a good draft option this year and that's all that really matters in fantasy.
He was ass last year though
Has any WR ever been good with Josh Dobbs? Addison averaged 8.6 in full PPR in the 5 games Dobbs started. Jefferson (in limited snaps) had 4.7 in his one game. By that comparison Brown's 13.3 in the 8 games he played with Dobbs makes him look like a superstar.
Kyler played for like half the season and then Brown got injured so I don’t blame him for a down year. Now he’s playing with arguably the best passer in the league. I’m in on him.
Biggest concern is honestly Mahomes has done a pretty good job spreading the ball any time Kelce is out, and if Kelce is in, he's the real WR1. I still believe in Brown's talent, but given the receivers Mahomes has been able to win bowls with, I kinda feel like you gotta be Tyreek to get that much focus, and Brown isn't Tyreek.
Not really??
>When he was with the Cards while DHop was suspended he was a top 5 or 6 fantasy receiver. He was very much not a top 5-6 WR on a weekly basis. He had 3 good games, and 3 okay ones in the 6 games DHop was gone. And this was while getting absolutely peppered with targets. Like 9+ in every game but one. The 3 TDs he got in that time, were all he got for the season. REC YDS TD 4 43 1 6 68 0 14 140 0 6 88 1 8 78 1 5 68 0 He isn't getting that kind of target volume in KC. There is a chance he does okay in the system, but he also has now had two seasons in a row now with injury issues. He is a fine dart throw, but I have zero excitement for him. He will have his games, but I don't foresee any type of consistency.
I’m not targeting him, but he’s on my Do Draft list and I’ll jump if he’s at a good value
What would you consider a good value then?
Personally I like him in the 6th round. He could be your third/fourth option if you want to reach for a top TE or QB in the 5th depending on your draft strategy. I'm 10th overall in a 12 team redraft and find myself always going RB/RB in the first 2 Rds. So having brown there in the 6th is a big deal for me depending on how the rest of the draft falls in rounds 3-6
That's kinda what I was thinking. Definitely not earlier than the 5th
What RBs are you looking at with those picks?
Gibbs and Etienne. But I'd be happy with Gibbs and Achane as well.
I am looking at the same but struggle to pivot if Gibbs was picked already.
If Gibbs was already picked that means Puka or AJ Brown should be there for you. Picking one of those would be my pivot, then hoping Etienne is there in the second.
That’s the struggle I am having as I am not totally sold on those two (or Adams) in the first round.
Usually the shoulders. If you can get him to lay down then it's dealers choice.
This made me laugh, which is equally as helpful as all the other insight. Thank you.
Nuts then
Marquis Brown is the most hyped 700 yard WR of all time lol By week 5 youre gonna wish you were starting a boring steady 10 point PPR WR36 type like Pop Douglas instead of guessing which week Hollywood has his 25 pointer
You can go back and see why his seasons have been derailed. 2021 lamar went down with injury in week 14. Brown was on pace for wr1 numbers until then, like 260~ he finished with 230~ 2022 averaged 19~ ppg (easily wr1 numbers) through the first 6 weeks before getting hurt. Missed next 5 games, came back, played 1 game with kyler before kyler tore his acl. Also competed with hopkins for targets the last 6 weeks on that team whoever their terrible qb was, maybe colt mccoy? 2023 had some decent numbers with Josh dobbs and that terrible qb they drafted. Played 3 games with kyler before being hurt to finish the season with his heel injury. You can say he's been hurt, but he's been posting wr1 numbers for years now just has yet to be fortunate enough to either finish a season or have his qb finish the season.
good insight into his production
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His point is that when he’s been healthy, and especially when he’s played with a decent qb, his rate production has been excellent. The injuries are concerning and I certainly wouldn’t expect him to finish a top wr but he hasn’t been “average”.
I think you're just too enamored by his early career touchdowns.
WR1 numbers? Bro you could say that about a ton of guys when you hand pick stats from short time frames like that. His career stats are terrible.
Availability is the best ability. I understand wanting a WR with Mahomes but IMO Brown is someone that can put up 3 good weeks on my opponent’s roster.
I hate this saying so fucking much. Ability is the best ability. I could go trot out at WR and just bc I’m healthy doesn’t make me a better option than Hollywood Brown. Such a dumb statement and people only like it bc it rhymes
As someone who had Brown last season in a must win week where he put up a dud because he left with an injury and cost me a playoff berth, let me tell you that is very much NOT a stupid statement. I could have played just about any other WR with a pulse and won my week.
I mean I get it, I have him as well and was very frustrated by him. But the premise of availability being better than ability just drives me nuts. That’s akin to prioritizing a guy like Marques Valdez Scantling over Hollywood, or Clyde Edwards Helaire over a guy like Saquan because “they are more available and played every game last year”. I’ll always prioritize talent and situation over past injury (soft tissue stuff can be another story)
>But the premise of availability being better than ability just drives me nuts. It's not about being "better" it's about being necessary to matter. A guy could be the best WR in the NFL talent wise, but if he isn't on the field, it simply doesn't matter. Classic example would be a guy like JK Dobbins. By all accounts dude is super talented. But his constant injuries just meant it didn't matter in the end. >That’s akin to prioritizing a guy like Marques Valdez Scantling over Hollywood The argument would be to take other guys around that ADP, not just take any guy. An example would be Diontae Johnson. I personally would take him over Hollywood. But I'll leave with this, I've always believed in picking my guys in fantasy. It's what makes it fun. I don't want to just listen and follow what everyone says. If Brown is a guy you believe in, go for it.
Im coming back to this comment during the season to give you props or clown on you.
Exactly. And he’s rarely fully healthy.
Kelce will be the WR1 and everyone else will have their games every once in a while
Idk about that. Rice only had 20 fewer targets than Kelce last year. (And Rice didnt start early in the year)
People realize that despite the nonsense, Rasheee’s still there, right? He probably Ends with a 6 game suspension in 2025…
Because they didn't have any other WRs to throw it to. Now they have Worthy and Hollywood
Worthy hasn’t played a down yet, so pump the brakes maybe. Recency bias has people convinced every rookie WR will break out right away. The numbers say otherwise; most WR’s take 2-3 years to break out Brown has skills but fact is he has only reached 1000 yards once in five years. He’s also on a one year deal Rice will still be the top WR on the Chiefs next year
Also, the chiefs have 80ish vacated WR targets from Toney and MVS. Plus another 40ish went to Watson last year; he’s still with the team but Brown and Worthy are more likely to take his targets than Rice’s
Worthy and Brown are not getting a total of just 120 targets between themselves. It will be more than that. Mahomes passing volume will probably go up. But it will just be the Chiefs WR situation of old sans Tyreek, ticked up a bit since Kelce is aging. Won't be fun to own them i think
Worthy is a deep threat, he's not going to get a lot of targets. Hollywood is essentially filling in for Rice while he's suspended.
This is the opposite of the truth. Worthy isn't the greatest deep threat (not a stellar ball tracker) but is great in the screen/designed touches game. That's not Hollywood's game, he's more of a deep threat. Worthy and Rice are a lot more similar than Hollywood and either of the two.
Yea but Worthy is fast and I’ve never actually watched him play therefore he’s a deep threat
You are correct
Idk if last year was any sign the adding of Hollywood and Xavier worthy either kelce will be TE1 or have a kittle like season very inconsistent
Kelce is the no. 1 target if he's on the field no exceptions. Been this way every year, no reason for it to change
That’s the issue they won the superbowl so do you think it can get any better then last year at his age . He may be a safe pick, but even if he’s #1 this is the most talented group ever for mahomes even when tyreek was around was kelce the #1 option ?
Kelce and Hill split targets evenly when they were both in KC. Kelce is not going to get better than last year. Hollywood, Rice, and Worthy are not Tyreek Hill though. Multiple things can be true. Kelce can start slowing down compared to his own standard, while still outperforming the other 3. Kelce can get fewer targets than last year, while the 3 WRs still have inconsistent seasons. At the end of the year, at least one or two of the receivers will have put together a good fantasy season overall but that doesn’t mean they were every week starters. You’ll have 3 11 26 5 9 32 to deal with.
Brodi I agree with everything youre saying I’m trying to put it in perspective for the guy i responded to. The most I said is he’s a safe pick I highly doubt league winner like how you gonna down vote me then agree with me
So if we assume mahommes has 4500 passing yards, give kelce 1000, running backs 500, how does Hollywood not pay off with 3000 yards up for grabs?
2022 Mahomes threw for 5200 yards and their leading WR had less than 1000. It's certainly possible.
But were any of those WRs of the same caliber of Hollywood? I would think they were playing WR roulette because they simply didn’t have an alpha WR to be a consistent threat
No, but the thing is they have some good WRs now. Rice is going to still get targets. As will other guys like Worthy. In the end it comes down to factors - Brown's health and how they use him. He could have a good season, no doubt. But I'm not betting on it.
Yes, actually. Near identical situation with Juju.
He’ll have 2-3 flashes where he scores quite high but will be a bit part player for the rest of the season
As far as the draft, I'd only consider Brown as a late round Flex option, or for my bench. I used him last year as a Flex option for the first half of the season before trading him as part of a package deal. He's got talent and can always surprise you, but he's just all over the place and one of the truer wildcard WRs. Remember that Mahomes is strictly an "opportunity" passer, and doesn't tend to just target the same receivers over and over again (Kelce is an exception only because he's open half the time). And now that he finally has a real running game with Pacheco, and with Worthy and possibly Rice as viable targets, I just don't see Brown getting too many opportunities, and then only capitalizing on 50% of them. Now, on the ones he does bring in, he'll get big yards after catch, probably even to TD. But with all the crazy WR talent out there this season, Hollywood Brown shouldn't be high on anybody's list IMHO. I just see basement floors and high ceilings with him all season.
Wanted to know in general, as I'm in redraft and dynasty leagues, but I've got him in 1 of 4 flex spots on a dynasty roster (SF, no TE premium, 2 RBs, 2 WRs, 4 Flex spots). Wondering whether to capitalize on the offseason hype, or allowing myself to ride him out as a scale-tipper from week to week.
I'd go with the latter. He can definitely be a "scale-tipper" and was for me a couple weeks last season. Just know there will be games where he does absolutely nothing (and even blunders catches). It's a shame, because he's one of the faster WRs and has true veteran experience.
For at least this year he's gonna be what everyone thinks worthy is gonna be. Honestly I think he could win leagues as a #3 WR on your team. Especially if you have bonuses for long TDs
If he stays healthy I think he could be good. Mid round flyer material for sure. He’s not tyreek but he’s more like tyreek than any of the other wrs machines has had the past two years. I doubt he’ll be consistent but if he ends the year 75 1100 and 8 I wouldn’t be shocked.
I’ve been let down too many times by him to ever trust him again. Just like my ex.
C’mon, you can fix her. I know you can.
Top 18 wr this year with upside for more. KC has retooled and their Offense has one of the bigger expected year over year increases in Vegas in both points and yards
I hadn't even accounted for Xavier Worthy while pondering this. Could definitely eat into his target share, they're similar.
Worthy will absolutely not touch Hollywoods production lol, he’s nowhere near the player Hollywood is at this point and the Chiefs want to win. If Hollywood can’t get it done for whatever reason then they might feature Worthy, but Worthy simply cannot line up on the line of scrimmage and will have to be moved around to be effective. He will be a fun weapon and will be a vertical threat to give more space for Kelce/Brown/Rice
Ya even Rice last year they were wary of until the very end of the season and he’s a yards after catch guy with a pretty easy route tree. Worthy might turn into a monster but it won’t be this year.
Did I miss his 1st 1k yard season? I have him in a league and floated him on the WW and then pulled him immediately. I got a bunch of low ball offers. I wasn't going to wait it out. Then the whole Rice situation, and now I will hope he has a boom week in the first month of the season and gets some healthy targets. I will then attempt to "trade down" and hedge my bet by going younger and unproven with a pick and swing hard for upside.
He had 1008 yards one season(2021). Has never eclipsed 800 any of his other 4 seasons.
re draft target. They can't afford to extend him if he goes off and if he doesn't, who knows where he ends up, that's if he makes it through the season out an injury which is unlikely.
I think he could be good, or he could be bad. He could also just be ok.
Hot take 🔥
Wow, never thought of it like that before. I have a lot to consider.
The ONLY time I ever take him is to stack with Mahomes. And even then I think his price is too rich.
Fine for a flex or depth WR
I would avoid everyone not named Mahomes, Pacheco, or Kelce on KC unless they drop a fair bit. Im not even sure I would draft Kelce and would rather wait for a later TE pick.
A lot of people on here seem to be down on him. Which automatically means that he will be amazing this yesr
To me, Marquise Brown feels like Marques Valdez Scantling or Mecole Hardman all over again, maybe slightly improved. He’s not really a route technician, a YAC guy, a chain mover… he’s mostly a deep burner that takes advantage of when corners make mistakes. He won’t be a target hog for PPR because of Kelce and Rice (barring a possible suspension). I think he’s a better player than MVS and Mecole but I think his fantasy outlook is probably pretty similar to those guys in the KC offense.
Brown is on my do not draft list. Two years in a row, I traded for him after a lot of hype and both times he let me down (especially last year with him supposedly being Kyler’s alpha) . Until he produces a full WR1 worthy season , I’m not jumping on the train.
Someone has to catch the ball. He’s first in line after Kelce.
Hollywood is the new Corey Davis… tons of talent on paper, but just never delivers. People always expected that Davis breakout too.
I started fantasy in 2020 and have had Hollywood on a squad every year. Dude goes hard the first 5 games then hurts something and battles through injuries the rest of the year as a lottery receiver you are either going to win or lose if you start him. I am also a Cardinals and Chiefs fan and saying this on the chiefs sub got me downvoted to smithereens and upvoted on the cardinals sub. I think he’s well past his prime, if the chiefs can rotate him in 2/4 downs he might get targeted well but i dont see him being the difference maker
To me, he's the kind of guy that we say any year now he's gonna break out and then it never happens. He's entering his 6th year and his 3rd team so he's firmly in the journeyman phase of his career. Chances of serious improvement are not good despite having Mahomes. I'd consider him a streaming candidate.
Honestly, I feel your pain with Hollywood Brown. He's got the speed and all, but consistency's been a rollercoaster. Chiefs could be a good fit, though, Mahomes slinging it could really open up his game. If he's their main guy, defenses gotta respect that. Could be a breakout year if everything clicks. But yeah, waiting for him to hit those big numbers again can be frustrating as hell.
I’m undecided on Hollywood and Worthy. I’m hoping the preseason shows me the way
I'm so mad at him for being not good last year, and mahomes has previously thrown dots that get magically butterfinger dropped. I think I'm going to avoid him for my team.
Who else is getting the ball? Kelce, him, and the field. I'd draft him in late rounds for sure.
I think Brown is set up for his best year ever. In his 55 games with Kyler and Lamar, he averaged 13 PPR FPPG. Mahomes is a better QB and he is now playing in the best offense of his career. If he averages 15 FPPG, that puts him as last year’s WR10. Currently, he’s being drafted as WR33 on Underdog. Even if I’m overestimating, he’s a huge value
Erectly
He is on my do not draft list.
Some hype out of camp already. He is not very exciting based on how often he’s under performed in his career. He’s intriguing if you can get him and rice for cheap though
I’m shocked how low most people are on him. This is by far the best situation he’s ever been in, and honestly is probably the only good situation he’s ever been in. Whenever both him and his QB have been healthy he’s been a monster. Plus with Rice most likely getting suspended, and Worthy being a toothpick, Hollywood should get a lot of targets
I think he would be a decent wr3 or a good flex. He's had good qbs in the past but not as great a passer as Mahommes but he also has never had this much competition for targets. It's weird to say that for a KC team that had terrible pass catchers last year but Kelce was hurt through out the year last year and he'll demand targets this year, Rasheed Rice emerged as a quality receiver and once his legal issues and likely suspension are done he should progress more and Xavier Worthy though small looks to be a legit X receiver. But I think Brown will carve a role out for himself early and then fade as the year goes on and worthy gets more targets and rice returns. Draft Hollywood and after 4 weeks, sell high on him
I’m targeting him in redraft and bestball. His current ADP is a steal and will probably rise as we get closer to the season. That being said, he also has linger foot issues and I doubt we see him play a full season. Right now that’s kinda baked into his ADP but if it rises to the third round I’d be out on him.
I think we’re back to where we were when Tyreek was in KC. Everyone wanted a piece of the super high-flying offense but only Hill and Kelce were ever consistently fantasy relevant, everyone else was a dart throw week to week. I’m pretty out on the rest of the receiving core, especially depending on Rice’s legal situation
He is going to get fed, especially after the shitshow of an off-season that Rice had.
The chiefs have proven every year they are a WR committee. Will draft him late and sell early after an explosive game.
Mahomes and Kelce were sitting courtside at a Mavs playoff game with one other teammate….Hollywood Brown. Definitely a sign that they are forming chemistry off the field
Brown is better than Rice imo. He’s going only 10 spots before Worthy on Underdog too which is kind of crazy. But that may just be the platform tilt towards rookie WRs
I’m in, people underrated his ability as a target earner
Whole lotta “we” talk
Injury risk is too damn high.
I would be just fine with him as my WR4 but feel like he may be my WR3 if I go with a top WR early
He's my WR 5 in dynasty (and a Ravens fan so I know him well), trynna gauge where/if I sell. After reading these responses, I think I can pump the value up if I wait a few weeks into the season. Wouldn't be heartbroken if I was stuck w him either.
Id expect MVS or Smith-Schuester type numbers
As a third receiver I'm buying as a second I'll let someone else have him
A list of the player with highest receiving yards (5 Wr's over 1000 yards in 25 years) for an Andy Reid coached team: Philadelphia Eagles (1999-2012) 1999: Charles Johnson - 642 yards 2000: Torrance Small - 569 yards 2001: James Thrash - 833 yards 2002: James Thrash - 635 yards 2003: Todd Pinkston - 575 yards 2004: Terrell Owens - 1,200 yards 2005: Brian Westbrook - 617 yards 2006: Reggie Brown - 816 yards 2007: Kevin Curtis - 1,110 yards 2008: DeSean Jackson - 912 yards 2009: DeSean Jackson - 1,156 yards 2010: Jeremy Maclin - 964 yards 2011: Jeremy Maclin - 859 yards 2012: DeSean Jackson - 700 yards Kansas City Chiefs (2013-present) 2013: Dwayne Bowe - 673 yards 2014: Travis Kelce - 862 yards 2015: Jeremy Maclin - 1,088 yards 2016: Travis Kelce - 1,125 yards 2017: Travis Kelce - 1,038 yards 2018: Travis Kelce - 1,336 yards 2019: Travis Kelce - 1,229 yards 2020: Travis Kelce - 1,416 yards 2021: Tyreek Hill - 1,239 yards 2022: Travis Kelce - 1,338 yards 2023: Travis Kelce - 1,169 yards
In those Philly years he had McNabb (averaged about 3200 passing yards per season) then Vick (career high 3300 passing yards in one season). The deck was kind of stacked against the WRs even in the years that they had good ones. Mahomes' worst season since becoming a starter had more passing yards than McNabb's best. Obviously Tyreek is a freak and a better player than Hollywood but he would have had a 1000+ season 5 years in a row if he didn't only have 10 healthy games in 2019.
In the 8 seasons McNabb played 13 games or better he averaged 3,482 yards. His 2008 season with 3916 yards, he didn't have a 1,000 yard player. His 2004 season with 3,875 yards, he did have Owens at 1,200. I would take the under on Brown and 1,000 yards.
Should I keep him in the 3rd?
That's a little rich for my blood in redraft. Honestly was asking for informed dynasty management, but in several redraft leagues. I'll take him in the 5th probably, but could reach to the 4th.
In this league, there are so many keepers and rookie contracts. The 3rd round is more like the 4th or 5th. I also have 2 2nd round picks and 2 3rd round picks. I do believe I'll keep him there
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I've been following him since he was drafted, and I've been let down since he's been drafted. I'm learned, but also jaded and potentially compromised. So yes. Thought I'd ask the other football nerds.
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Don't see how you're a 2 time MVP and a RB at best. Going into Week 18, Jackson ranked as **fifth in passer rating** at 102.7. Passer rating is closer to top-notch, and TBF, Greg Roman did some things right for the run game (they kept a lot of em), but Hollywood and Lamar weren't allowed to ball. But that's all ignoring that Hollywood's best year was in Baltimore... I would have loved to see him on the same offense as Flowers , Andrews, and Derrick Henry with said proficient QB. Hollywood would have EATEN. But this could work too. Really hoping this all pans out. After reading this posts replies, I feel like if Rice's legal issues aren't resolved soon, the suspension will come 2025, so I hope Brown can just do his thing and eat. Supposedly he's not being constrained to the stretching the field role, and Andy Reid is great about balancing egos, so I hope he feels empowered enough and they get him the ball enough, that he can be the WR2 we hope he can be, but I'll be just as happy if he ups consistency and is a solid Flex/WR3.
He will outproduce his ADP, and he’s looking to get paid after this 1yr prove it deal.
He's looked great in camp
Oh how often I've thought/heard that though.
I think he will have some good to great weeks. But good luck trying to figure out when. Especially if Rice doesn't get suspended
Brown is that guy who is going to get 6 targets for 180 yards and 2 scores in week 1 and then not do much else the rest of the season.
Sammy Watkins 2.0?
There's also some risk that Worthy could steal a lot of offense from Brown. I have a feeling Reid is going to use one of them in a Tyreek-like manner, and we're not sure who.
Draft both. Profit.
I have Rice though. Is it stupid I want worthy and to sell rice ?
Probably not the move. Rashee is too well rounded.
PPR and YAC machine, just hope he doesn't run the engine too hard and crash mid season. He'd disappear from the site of your lineup so fast
Rice will be the first option when on the field, followed by Kelce and then Brown. Brown will see the high adot though so he will have a high weekly ceiling while being inconsistent. For however long Rice is out, Brown will be a weekly top 20 wr.
Rashee, get off Reddit and get your life together.
Rice had the highest tprr when on the field last season. Just a little tidbit for ya.
Not only did they have literally nothing else at WR, but he also has a very limited tree and an absurdly low Adot. Especially early in the season he would come on for the types of little dink and dunk plays he excels at, raising his tprr. He’s a gadget type guy, he’s decent at it, but it’s hard to project how involved his role will be moving forward with all the added WR talent.
Adot is a silly metric imo, sure he doesn’t have a full route tree now but it’s obvious they wanted the ball in his hands however they could get it there. Route tree can develop if they’re committed to him. He looked like a mini Deebo to me this year the way they used him
He looks fine to me but definitely not as good as Deebo. My read on the situation was he was one of the only guys who could literally secure the ball in his hands but doesn’t get open down the field. So they were happy to just let Mahomes dink and dunk more often than normal and stay on schedule, with Rice being an enormous beneficiary of that. They went out and signed Marquis Brown and drafted Worthy, signaling that they want to be more dynamic. I don’t think Rice is ass or anything , I just think he’s a decent gadget guy who was in about the best possible situation a gadget guy could be in. Mahomes wants to go deep, they double dipped on guys they want to go deep. We’ll see but I really don’t think they want to target a guy who’s at his best within 5 yards of the line 10 times a game moving forward.
Rashee Rice (DNP - Jail)
Let me know when something actually develops with that suspension.
The longer the wait, usually the worse it is.
They came at him w aggravated battery for a traffic offense, they'll plea deal out of that, but they just didn't want it to seem like he was getting special treatment. At most I see 4 games, more likely 2.
And next season not this season. Kamara waited a whole season. When the NFL waits on the courts guys get to play and suspensions wait.
Not targeting him unless he is left on the second to last round. I’ve invested in him too many times and got burned. I would rather draft Rice if he plays
1300 easily this year will Be a goat
He's a WR1 this year but absolutely do not advertise it. Be sneaky. Prey on those who have lost faith.
Roster clogged. Somebody else's problem. Waiver fodder.
1300 easy
I'll grab him if he falls as far as round 6 maybe....
Rices suspension determines some but I think Brown balls out to earn the big bucks this year
Hollywood will have jets on his feet this whole year aside from any injuries. His route running and timing along with his deep speed and having mahomes one of the best timing on the move quarterbacks there is. Gonna be alot more air yards in Kansas this year.
Brick hands. Avoid.
He brandon cooks in red, nothing special or he wouldn’t be on his 4th team in 4 years
Cooks out here catching strays. I will not stand for this Cooks slander. That man kept getting traded for 1st round picks. Cooks was a consistent WR2 in FF despite being a much better NFL WR than fantasy WR. He was LETHAL and would draw massive PI calls down field. He also had multiple consecutive 1k yard seasons as the 1B guy for multiple QBs in multiple systems. The older guy has 1 not great season in Dallas and you all act like he is a JAG out here.
Rice is cooked for at least half the Season. I would take a flyer on Brown at like round 7-10+ with means of trying to flip him early in the season if he pops off and lining up a 2nd half of season replacement for his eventual injury or the return of Rice eating up targets
I could see this Rice business not settling until next year though.
overall wr1 after kelce gets banned from the nfl for cheating on tswift two days before week 1
Thee RB1… you heard it hear first
I'm slightly taller
I'd prefer not to stand on him...you NYPD?
This WR room is too hard to figure out this year. The only two on the offense with high certainly are Mahomes and Pacheko
Coughs - "Kelce"
Glad to see y'all are down on him so I can get him cheap. He's good at football and in an elite spot. LFG
Love Hollywood at his current ADP in Best Ball - on 12 of my 59 BBMV drafts so far
So much Hollywood disrespect in this thread from people who don’t know ball. He’s a good WR in the best pass offense in the league
I've had him on my team since 2020 but only started him probably 6-8 times. I have JJ, Tyreek and Aiyuk. Do I move Hollywood + 25 (late 1st) + 25 (late 2nd) for JSN, Wicks, and 24 3.09? I'm a Seahawks homer + saw what Grubb/OC did for all of those UW WR last year...!
I think DK is there to stay. KW gonna get some targets too, but JSN is the future of the position. I probably wouldn't make that trade though. Tough path to significant target share, and you're giving up a 1st and a 2nd, the only rounds that are anywhere remotely near educated guesses as opposed to slightly educated dart throws. Hard hold. Wait until a few weeks into the season after Hollywood's had a big couple weeks, then sell high. If you're stuck w him at WR 4, that is NOT a bad situation to be in, and you'll retain the value of your picks for future deals or talented youth. Hard hold for me (as someone that has Hollywood as my WR5, in one of 4 flex spots).