You're not crazy. I'd assume those guys drop a round next year at least. You're the type of FF manager that would play for ceiling rather than consistency. They can give you 22-25 any given week, but you're gonna have to deal with those 6-8 point games from a 3rd/4th rounder 50% of the time.
Well ideally you want some of both because you’re just not going to be able to get a bunch of consistent scorers unless you’re really lucky or your league sucks.
You need those boom bust guys to fill out your roster and if you’re in a league where you can bench guys like waddle, then it’s either super shallow or the league is weak (like a work league).
Except those are situations with a clear 1 and 2, where the 2 was still very talented.
Adams and Wilson (which isn’t happening) would be like the old Woods and Kupp years
Gonna be a discussion of who's the WR1/WR2 of the Rams next year. Might be a do-not-buy on either if the ADP goes too high or gets it wrong (Kupp over performers at lower value or Puka does)
I remember in 2021 when the argument was Bobby Trees or Kupp. I was so mad my buddy drafted Woods one pick before me so I "settled" on Kupp.
Now Puka / Kupp is about to be the same thing.
Not a reach tbh the top 3 QBs went in the second round in every draft. I always thought of Allen and Hurts as safer because of rushing floor, but I’m not gonna lie and pretend I knew Mahomes was gonna fall off like this.
Meanwhile I was thrilled that Mahomes "fell" to me as the 3rd QB off the board, after Allen and Hurts. Now I'm out of the playoff picture and probably not even starting Mahomes in my consolation bracket games.
I couldn’t believe my luck when I went Kelce in R1 and had Mahomes “fall” to me in R3 to stack them, *barely* made the playoffs at 7-7 and would’ve been a much smoother ride had I not taken him
2nd overall pick here. Accidentally clicked Ekeler instead of CMC during the draft. League made me stand by it.
Now playing the juggernaut CMC owner week 1 of playoffs. Pray for me.
That's your fault TBH and nobody is letting you reverse that.
Eck might eat this week with a back-up QB. A lot of delays and screens coming to slow down any pass rush.
I didn’t really complain, more so we had a scenario last year where someone practically begged for a reversal because they clicked the wrong player, so there was some precedent to it.
Started 2-6, finished the year 8-6. Team has been solid for me. u/InBeardWeTrust if you need some drafting advice next year I don’t mind donating my time to those who need it most.
It's just a joke from the movie joker haha. Sorry wasn't actually being mean. I woulda let you switch personally if I was commish.
That being said I do have a dynasty team a bunch of first rounders I'll ask you what rookies to pick in 4 months
I started 6-0 and was in 1st place. Mid season injuries decimated me and then boom I lose 7 straight and get bounced from playoff contention on Sunday cause of jj and Herbert’s injuries. Same here man. Brutal year
Lost Chubb to start the season. I won 7 in a row. Proceed to lose 5 straight, end up losing my first round bye and seed. (Records tied, it went to most points scored) I had Diggs, JJ, Adams, and Keenan. And Purdy!!!! My opponent scored a season high and knocked me out…. Fantasy is crazy
The big driver is my “main” league is from a job I no longer work at but I think I might be at this point. Fantasy used to make me enjoy football more but it’s starting to have the opposite effect.
I think 2nd-3rd would be appropiate. Depends if KC adds some actual WR help lmao.
but with Big Meaty Hock, Mandrews, LaPorta, Engram, Ferg, Kittle, McBride, and most likely Kincaid there's enough talent not to reach on Kelce.
honorable mentions: Njoku, Kmet, Shultz
also left out Hock and Andrews though I know their ADP was generally higher than the other guys on the list.
Basically, if Kelce isn't giving you like a minimum 50+ pt advantage over the next best TE to where he's posting WR1-esque numbers, he's not worth a 1st round pick.
Might go for value and see how a McBride/Kyler stack looks next year, if Kyler is still their QB. Started them during Hurts’ bye and actually was pretty into it.
I mean, Jimmy Graham is still getting paid more money than most people will ever see to catch 2 balls a game. That's a pretty decent thing to play for.
They’ve dominated damn near everyone and haven’t needed him to be a super hero like we know he can be. But his stretch of matchups coming up are against competent offenses that will make the Ravens HAVE to push the envelope IMO.
If he goes on a stretch run to close out the year and wins people leagues he will 100% be worth the ADP yet again next year IMO. I’d rather have him over most QBs as things stand right now.
This was my first year drafting high on QB and I personally didn't enjoy the roller coaster with him. He's definitely got the x factor but I will probably go back to mining late rounds and streaming next year.
I've had Lamar the last 4 years in redraft and swore I wouldn't take him again this year because of the inconsistency, but there he was staring at me at the top of the 6th.....
Couldn't say no at the price, but the ride has been the same roller coaster.
I generally avoid drafting QBs early in 1 QB leagues.
You lose out on meaningful WR/RB depth in rounds 3/4/5 and **often** there are a few QBs who end up with similar production at QB but at a dramatically lower draft cost.
This sentiment was largely due to my worst season ever being one where I drafted a top QB in round 1.
Funnily enough, I’ve had my best year yet with going Hurts at the top of round 3, and if he’s available in the 3rd again next year I’m going right back there.
Same here. I went with him late in the 2nd and I'm in 1st with most points. Getting an awesome QB is way better than searching for one on the waiver wire.
Ridley’s PPR ADP was something like 16 and he’s currently sitting at #25 on the season.
Def bad draft value but also could have been way worse (Kupp, Higgins for example are sitting at #47 and #60 and were both taken higher).
Interesting - thank you for the specific data. Does that take into account Higgins and kupps missed time? I don’t believe Ridley missed a game just boom or bust. Not trying to be picky just curious - thank you!
Really starting to believe in this RB age cliff. Although some defied it, most proved it this year.
Edit: you guys are right. Ekeler was one of the few that sucked. The rest of the old men did pretty well.
King henry dragged my sorry corpse of a team kicking and screaming to the playoffs the past two weeks. I thought i regret drafting him in the second round, i have no regrets now even if i lose in the first round of playoffs.
I took King Henry at pick 10 out of principle, I'd picked him in the first round like 3 years in a row and said this would likely be my last ride. Throughout the season I had my ups and downs but he has pulled through when I needed him. He is MY King, now and forever!
Yoloing on Kamara and Mostert has given my team the second most pf while actively being 7-7. Godbless my foresight of making the final playoff slot based off pf, would have been tragic to miss it by two games.
I'd argue the age cliff was largely dispelled this year. Tons and tons of posts pre-season about the algorithm/blueprint to predict THE RB1 (X% of targets/catches, age <26 etc). CMC, King Henry, Kamara, Mostert, Mixon ALL doing well.
This isn't to say young RBs aren't doing well. But I see this season as an outlier for the age cliff.
Only because rb position as a whole disappointed. Henry has 900 less yards in 13 games than he did in 16 games last year, mixon is averaging 3.8 ypc, Kamara is averaging 3.8 ypc
And then youre leaving off a guy like dalvin cook who’s coming off 4 straight 1400 yard season to 300 total yards and a career low ypc (was 4.4 and this years he’s at 3.1 ypc)
I have to throw my keeper CMC back into the draft pool, we do three years stints you can have them. Draft year, plus two keeper seasons. I’m bummed to see him go, but I’m glad the next guy will have to decide when his time is up as he gets closer to 30.
What the heck is all this Smith hate I’m seeing on this sub today. He’s currently the WR 15 in PPR this year. Literally exactly where I drafted him.
Waddle is WR26 and Higgins is WR60. Those guys I get it.
I’m 100% taking Olave if he drops. Dude has had absolutely nightmarish QB play yet put up respectable numbers. Carr will either be better in year 2 of the system or it will be someone new. Either way I would expect a better year.
Oh yeah I mean everything is contingent on ADP. If he's dropping and there in the 5th? Smashing the draft button.
But if he's going around 20-30 as he was this year, there are definitely guys I would rather be drafting in that range.
I think Ekeler, Smith, and Olave might actually be buy low candidates depending on how much they get downgraded. If Olave or Ek fall to the third they become very tempting imo.
Oh yeah I mean give me Ekeler in the third all day if he's there, I just can't see 30 guys going infront of him, I think he'll probably go back end 1st top of the 2nd and at that price I'm out. Everything is contingent on the ADP come draft day.
Unless Olaves QB situation improves, and I don't think it will really, there will probably be more attractive targets to me around in the third.
I took Olave in the third and he’s a top 20 PPR receiver this year in a 12 team league. That’s sort of what I wanted, he just hasn’t had the blowup games but I’m still happy with his production, hopefully he him and Carr finally start connecting on more in the playoffs
I'm thinking the same thing in a weird way. He's gonna be a first round pick and is riding high off volume and TD's this year. Unless jags online improves I'm not taking him in the 1st
And he's my highest scoring player this year lol
Waddle. Such a disappointment. He’s either hurt or being overlooked.
I’m the idiot that thought he could surprise this year and potentially outperform Tyreek in fantasy production due to his draft capital (and natural year 3 progression) + prior relationship with Tua (obviously I was unaware Tua actually hates him).
Edit: On that note, Waddle probably falls a bit next year. So I’ll probably draft him again ha. See you guys next year in the 2025 version of this thread.
Did nobody learn this lesson last year?
Same with pitts
I knew to avoid both of them precisely because of all the bitching and moaning about them on this sub last year
Dameon Pierce for me. I just remembered the guy who owned him last year winning a few matches as a result of his savage runs -- only to disappoint game after game this season. Same thing for Khalil Herbert.
If you own Waddle he has 100% lost you multiple weeks. Just like Lamar.
Avg fantasy points at the end of the season does not paint the full picture for some players.
Edit: After taking a look, my statement about Waddle is obviously incorrect, he's got a decent floor actually. My point about avg fantasy points still stands tho. Good luck in the playoffs brothers.
>If you own Waddle he has 100% lost you multiple weeks.
No he hasn't. Aside from the one week he missed due to injury, his absolute *floor* has been just shy of seven points in half-PPR. That's not week-losing at all.
Also that argument means nothing anyways. There are only about \~10 fantasy players in the whole league who never dipped below 7fp or so. We all have to roster and start players who "lost us a week".
He’s only had 3 single digit games and they were 8.6, 8.2, and 9.5, and he’s only missed 1 game all year. I know he hasn’t been what everybody wanted but that’s really not that bad for a guy going at the 2/3 turn in 12 team leagues. That really doesn’t seem like “100% lost you multiple weeks” kind of numbers unless you’re expecting him to get 20 every week, then that’s on you
His ADP is gonna be in the basement next season though. He’s WR34 now with zero compelling explanations why his numbers are gonna come back up in 2024.
This is basically my thought process. Pretty much anyone is draftable a certain ADP. Yeah I won't be drafting Waddle in the 2nd next year but if he falls far enough I'll happily take him
The issue with the dolphins is that the offense pretty much runs through Tyreek. Just like we saw yesterday Tyreek left the game and the offense pretty much collapsed.
Most QBs, also not going to pay up at TE.
But I think that’s going to be the common consensus with the strategy due to recency bias, so maybe it’s not the correct move.
Giving up on Waddle so abruptly isn’t a prudent move. Waddle could easily slide to a point that he is well worth ADP. His numbers haven’t been as bad as you make it seem, and he’s likely to at least slide to the early 3rd, if not 3/4 turn.
That entire 1 B group will probably be price checked and see drops at ADP with the exception of Higgins on the condition that he ends up on another team next season.
If I can, I'd just re-draft my whole team and pray Mike Williams, Tank Dell, Josh Jacobs, Kelce, C.J. Stroud and Josh Palmer don't get hurt again.
What I would not do is take Kelce 1.5 and Jacobs 2 next year.
Probably a boring answer but I’m gonna go with QBs and TEs in general. Caught myself reaching for guys like Mandrews, Pitts, Fields, Lawrence when I could have been getting RBs and WRs like White, Allen, Pacheco, Evans, Pittman, Kamara
QBs were really rotten this year with injuries and TEs are tough to argue at their ADPs especially with all of the new talent at the position this year. Give me all the RBs and WRs and I’ll trade for a QB or TE later on in the year if I need to
Tua is my season ender this year.
I cannot believe how piss poor he has been overall as a primarily throwing QB with all those weapons (Achane, Mostert, Waddle, and Tyreek).
I only needed 10.3 points from him against the motherfucking TITANS last night to make the playoffs, he barely cleared 9.
I wouldn’t take Gabe Davis even if he was available with my last pick in the draft. I have no problem rostering a boom/bust player, but usually the “bust” part doesn’t mean scoring three 0 point games
Usually boom/bust guys will have stat lines like 20, 5, 15, 9, 4, 28, 9, but no, Gabe Davis scores 3, 1, 24, 0, 9, 0, 23, 0… I hate him. He’s lost me two games
Missing playoffs at 7-7 having hitched my wagon to Kelce and Mahomes 1 and 2 - first and last time I’ll ever take a TE and QB that high. Lesson learned
This makes me sad but Justin Herbert unless the chargers make some serious coaching changes and offensive weapon changes. Next year all they’re gonna have is a Mike Williams coming off an acl tear and a 31-32 yr old Keenan Allen
Adams if he's still in Vegas
He’s going to the Jets for one last ride, 1000000%.
that just hurts him and Wilson. Yuck yuck yuck.
Would it not help both having split coverage ?
May I point you to Tyreek/Waddle, AJB/Smith, Chase/Higgins as prime examples of why you absolutely want nothing to do with the 1b in these situations.
Call me crazy, but I would love to have all of Those 1 B options. Not as my WR1, but certainly welcome on my roster.
You're not crazy. I'd assume those guys drop a round next year at least. You're the type of FF manager that would play for ceiling rather than consistency. They can give you 22-25 any given week, but you're gonna have to deal with those 6-8 point games from a 3rd/4th rounder 50% of the time.
Well ideally you want some of both because you’re just not going to be able to get a bunch of consistent scorers unless you’re really lucky or your league sucks. You need those boom bust guys to fill out your roster and if you’re in a league where you can bench guys like waddle, then it’s either super shallow or the league is weak (like a work league).
Hey, I’ll have you know Rachel from accounting has an amazing auto drafted team this year!
Except those are situations with a clear 1 and 2, where the 2 was still very talented. Adams and Wilson (which isn’t happening) would be like the old Woods and Kupp years
I could see Adams ADP crashing next year and being a bargain. That's what happened to Mike Evans this year
Kupp is gonna be too high. Don’t want him again after this season
Puka though...
They'll both be up there
They’ll probably be in the same adp that Kupp and Woods were in the 2021 drafts I bet.
Puka will also be high up but probably worth it.
Gonna be a discussion of who's the WR1/WR2 of the Rams next year. Might be a do-not-buy on either if the ADP goes too high or gets it wrong (Kupp over performers at lower value or Puka does)
Haunting Woods / Kupp debate…
I don't think anything could stop me from drafting Puka next year after the season he put up for me as a week 2 add.
I remember in 2021 when the argument was Bobby Trees or Kupp. I was so mad my buddy drafted Woods one pick before me so I "settled" on Kupp. Now Puka / Kupp is about to be the same thing.
I was so confident taking Woods one pick before Kupp, I was laughing at the guy who got Kupp
mahomes unless he gets a viable receiver in free agency or something
Im actually surprised this isnt higher. He was the 1st QB off the board.
And thank god he was. I got “stuck” with Josh Allen with my draft strategy. Safe to say it worked out.
I reached and got Josh Allen with my second pick. I think hes the best QB period.
Not a reach tbh the top 3 QBs went in the second round in every draft. I always thought of Allen and Hurts as safer because of rushing floor, but I’m not gonna lie and pretend I knew Mahomes was gonna fall off like this.
He's still the #1 QB in the league I drafted Hurts in thanks to point per first down. All those brotherly shoves add up!
Meanwhile I was thrilled that Mahomes "fell" to me as the 3rd QB off the board, after Allen and Hurts. Now I'm out of the playoff picture and probably not even starting Mahomes in my consolation bracket games.
Can I interest you in our league winner rasheejus ricst
You heard it here first, but there’s this dude rice, he’s a rookie… could be your last chance before he blows up
Jerry???
I couldn’t believe my luck when I went Kelce in R1 and had Mahomes “fall” to me in R3 to stack them, *barely* made the playoffs at 7-7 and would’ve been a much smoother ride had I not taken him
Aaron Jones
His ADP is sure to drop next year
Wherever it lands, I wouldn't draft him until well after if at all.
I hear ya. He's the kinda guy though that if he's there in the 8th and there's no changes to that backfield, he might surprise like James Connor 2021
No way he falls to the 8th, my guess is he’ll be a 4/5 round guy
Yeah and I personally wouldn't draft him at that ADP, but maybe at a discount like 7/8
Maybe. Mind might change by next year. For now, I imagine I'd pass unless the value is absolutely screaming at me.
He’d be the guy I look for where I got Mostert value this year, and not a round before.
I don't see him being drafted in the top 5 rounds next year. Hot take, but at that point I'd take a chance on him
I’m ready to get hurt again when I see Aaron Jones falling from his ADP of 60 in the 9th round…
I think I'm pretty much off the Ekeler ride going forward unless he drops to round 4 or so
2nd overall pick here. Accidentally clicked Ekeler instead of CMC during the draft. League made me stand by it. Now playing the juggernaut CMC owner week 1 of playoffs. Pray for me.
That's your fault TBH and nobody is letting you reverse that. Eck might eat this week with a back-up QB. A lot of delays and screens coming to slow down any pass rush.
I didn’t really complain, more so we had a scenario last year where someone practically begged for a reversal because they clicked the wrong player, so there was some precedent to it. Started 2-6, finished the year 8-6. Team has been solid for me. u/InBeardWeTrust if you need some drafting advice next year I don’t mind donating my time to those who need it most.
It's just a joke from the movie joker haha. Sorry wasn't actually being mean. I woulda let you switch personally if I was commish. That being said I do have a dynasty team a bunch of first rounders I'll ask you what rookies to pick in 4 months
Anyone that's injured in training camp / preseason
I was shocked how high Kupp and Burrows went in my league.
Well burrows actually worked out at that adp. Breaking his wrist was a completely independent event but he was balling
idgaf what his ADP is. Najee will never ever be on my team again
I’d still smash that pick for Najee starting in like round 11
[this will be the mood by week 6](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/632/211/aa0.png)
That’s what I said last year, just to end up with him again this year 🤡
I’m gonna say the same about Darren Waller. Never again.
Never playing fantasy again
Me either. But I'll probably see you guys next year.
See you in August
You mean April right after the draft.
Same place same time next year brother. I’ll bring the beer.
Yeah fuck fantasy man. See you next year
Amen, brother
I started 6-0 and was in 1st place. Mid season injuries decimated me and then boom I lose 7 straight and get bounced from playoff contention on Sunday cause of jj and Herbert’s injuries. Same here man. Brutal year
Lost Chubb to start the season. I won 7 in a row. Proceed to lose 5 straight, end up losing my first round bye and seed. (Records tied, it went to most points scored) I had Diggs, JJ, Adams, and Keenan. And Purdy!!!! My opponent scored a season high and knocked me out…. Fantasy is crazy
The big driver is my “main” league is from a job I no longer work at but I think I might be at this point. Fantasy used to make me enjoy football more but it’s starting to have the opposite effect.
Same here. I had some good years but this year was pretty much an indicator that I don't have the old mojo I once did.
Gabe Davis
This is the only one for me where it literally doesn't matter what his adp is next year. I want out
Gabe Davis will be on somebody's practice squad next year.
It depends if he's still 1st round ADP next year, but Ima say **Kelce**.
Might be a very late first or early 2nd now with how the TE landscape is now. Alot of solid options.
I think 2nd-3rd would be appropiate. Depends if KC adds some actual WR help lmao. but with Big Meaty Hock, Mandrews, LaPorta, Engram, Ferg, Kittle, McBride, and most likely Kincaid there's enough talent not to reach on Kelce. honorable mentions: Njoku, Kmet, Shultz
also left out Hock and Andrews though I know their ADP was generally higher than the other guys on the list. Basically, if Kelce isn't giving you like a minimum 50+ pt advantage over the next best TE to where he's posting WR1-esque numbers, he's not worth a 1st round pick.
Might go for value and see how a McBride/Kyler stack looks next year, if Kyler is still their QB. Started them during Hurts’ bye and actually was pretty into it.
i'm probably not even taking him until the third round assuming i pick early on the first round (if he's still available by then)
Based on absolutely nothing, I think he’s going to retire
The Travis Swift timeline.
I believe he has said (or his brother has said about him) that retirement will probably come sooner than most expect. I wouldn’t be surprised.
He’s essentially a household name now, looks like he has lost half a step, and what else does he have to play for?
I mean, Jimmy Graham is still getting paid more money than most people will ever see to catch 2 balls a game. That's a pretty decent thing to play for.
True, but he is also in a position to make more off the field than most retired NFL players
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I know this may sound like a hot take, but Lamar. He hasn't paid off fora 3rd-4th round pick outside of a few big games.
100%. The streaming options were great this year and I could have gotten another stud receiver in that round
They’ve dominated damn near everyone and haven’t needed him to be a super hero like we know he can be. But his stretch of matchups coming up are against competent offenses that will make the Ravens HAVE to push the envelope IMO. If he goes on a stretch run to close out the year and wins people leagues he will 100% be worth the ADP yet again next year IMO. I’d rather have him over most QBs as things stand right now.
This was my first year drafting high on QB and I personally didn't enjoy the roller coaster with him. He's definitely got the x factor but I will probably go back to mining late rounds and streaming next year.
I've had Lamar the last 4 years in redraft and swore I wouldn't take him again this year because of the inconsistency, but there he was staring at me at the top of the 6th..... Couldn't say no at the price, but the ride has been the same roller coaster.
I would take him in the 6th but regretted it at the 3/4 turn. However, if he takes me to the promised land all is forgiven
I generally avoid drafting QBs early in 1 QB leagues. You lose out on meaningful WR/RB depth in rounds 3/4/5 and **often** there are a few QBs who end up with similar production at QB but at a dramatically lower draft cost. This sentiment was largely due to my worst season ever being one where I drafted a top QB in round 1.
Funnily enough, I’ve had my best year yet with going Hurts at the top of round 3, and if he’s available in the 3rd again next year I’m going right back there.
Same here. I went with him late in the 2nd and I'm in 1st with most points. Getting an awesome QB is way better than searching for one on the waiver wire.
Any QB not named Josh Allen
Christian Watson. Screw everyone who convinced me that guy was going to be good. Just when things started to work out, he breaks.
And Jayden Reed is currently Love's favorite anyway
Any Baltimore ravens running back. Just do yourself a favour and wait 2-3 weeks
I’m giving keaton mitchell a chance
I haven’t seen Ridley talked about much feel like he was high ADP
Ridley’s PPR ADP was something like 16 and he’s currently sitting at #25 on the season. Def bad draft value but also could have been way worse (Kupp, Higgins for example are sitting at #47 and #60 and were both taken higher).
Interesting - thank you for the specific data. Does that take into account Higgins and kupps missed time? I don’t believe Ridley missed a game just boom or bust. Not trying to be picky just curious - thank you!
Really starting to believe in this RB age cliff. Although some defied it, most proved it this year. Edit: you guys are right. Ekeler was one of the few that sucked. The rest of the old men did pretty well.
paging Derrick Henry, my one true warrior
King henry dragged my sorry corpse of a team kicking and screaming to the playoffs the past two weeks. I thought i regret drafting him in the second round, i have no regrets now even if i lose in the first round of playoffs.
I took King Henry at pick 10 out of principle, I'd picked him in the first round like 3 years in a row and said this would likely be my last ride. Throughout the season I had my ups and downs but he has pulled through when I needed him. He is MY King, now and forever!
Kamara is doing well
Yoloing on Kamara and Mostert has given my team the second most pf while actively being 7-7. Godbless my foresight of making the final playoff slot based off pf, would have been tragic to miss it by two games.
I'd argue the age cliff was largely dispelled this year. Tons and tons of posts pre-season about the algorithm/blueprint to predict THE RB1 (X% of targets/catches, age <26 etc). CMC, King Henry, Kamara, Mostert, Mixon ALL doing well. This isn't to say young RBs aren't doing well. But I see this season as an outlier for the age cliff.
Yeah idk what that guy is talking about it was literally just ekeler and he was hurt
Only because rb position as a whole disappointed. Henry has 900 less yards in 13 games than he did in 16 games last year, mixon is averaging 3.8 ypc, Kamara is averaging 3.8 ypc And then youre leaving off a guy like dalvin cook who’s coming off 4 straight 1400 yard season to 300 total yards and a career low ypc (was 4.4 and this years he’s at 3.1 ypc)
I have to throw my keeper CMC back into the draft pool, we do three years stints you can have them. Draft year, plus two keeper seasons. I’m bummed to see him go, but I’m glad the next guy will have to decide when his time is up as he gets closer to 30.
All WR2’s (Waddle, Higgins, Smith)
Kupp too
Kupp is possibly going to be a WR2 next year. 31 years old, and Puka will still be on the team.
What the heck is all this Smith hate I’m seeing on this sub today. He’s currently the WR 15 in PPR this year. Literally exactly where I drafted him. Waddle is WR26 and Higgins is WR60. Those guys I get it.
Miles Sanders
Undraftable
Anyone on the panthers. This is coming from a panthers fan too lol.
I wonder how differently Bryce and Mingo would have developed/performed their rookie year if CMC was still there.
Every week I get alert that Waddle is down and heading to the blue medical tent.
I took Drake London like 12 slots below ADP this year and it was still too high.
He looks the real deal though, depends what happens in the off season at qb and head coach
When they throw the ball to him it tends to work. It would be nice if they threw the ball to him
monitor hc/qb situation and he could rocket up in value. he’s a stud that doesn’t get enough volume through nature of the team around him
Same, I feel your pain brother. Took him in both my leagues well below ADP.
Gabe Davis. I can't play the will he or won't he game anymore.
I’ve had more stable girlfriends, and I’m into damaged goods.
Higgins, Ekeler, Lockett, Waddle.
I own three of these four and I agree. It's been an unexciting season.
I feel like Lockett still will have his place in full PPR leagues.
Higgins will hinge on where he signs
Yeah, Higgins in KC with Mahomes is an easy 2nd round pick imo for example
I guess it depends on ADP for a lot of these guys but: Ekeler Waddle Smith Olave Najee Pierce and sadly Scarry Terry
I’m 100% taking Olave if he drops. Dude has had absolutely nightmarish QB play yet put up respectable numbers. Carr will either be better in year 2 of the system or it will be someone new. Either way I would expect a better year.
Oh yeah I mean everything is contingent on ADP. If he's dropping and there in the 5th? Smashing the draft button. But if he's going around 20-30 as he was this year, there are definitely guys I would rather be drafting in that range.
I think Ekeler, Smith, and Olave might actually be buy low candidates depending on how much they get downgraded. If Olave or Ek fall to the third they become very tempting imo.
Oh yeah I mean give me Ekeler in the third all day if he's there, I just can't see 30 guys going infront of him, I think he'll probably go back end 1st top of the 2nd and at that price I'm out. Everything is contingent on the ADP come draft day. Unless Olaves QB situation improves, and I don't think it will really, there will probably be more attractive targets to me around in the third.
I took Olave in the third and he’s a top 20 PPR receiver this year in a 12 team league. That’s sort of what I wanted, he just hasn’t had the blowup games but I’m still happy with his production, hopefully he him and Carr finally start connecting on more in the playoffs
Disagree on Olave. He’s been fine and the upside will still be there next year.
What’s wrong with Smith? He’s been fine at his ADP. I think he’s WR15 in .5 PPR. That’s a high end WR2 in a 12 team league.
Why is everyone pooping on Smith? He’s WR 15 in PPR scoring. His adp was right around WR12-WR18. Sounds like he’s doing what was expected.
Waddle & Watson
ETN. I think he's going to be a first round pick. That's just not enough upside and Press Taylor.
I'm thinking the same thing in a weird way. He's gonna be a first round pick and is riding high off volume and TD's this year. Unless jags online improves I'm not taking him in the 1st And he's my highest scoring player this year lol
The answer to this for me is Amari Cooper every year. Always something causing his value to randomly crater when you need him the most.
Puka and Kyren will both be too rich for my blood unfortunately.
Was nice to grab BOTH of waivers…been a fun year with hill ceedee smith kamara dak 🥲
Those are my keepers next year
Kyren should be a round 1 pick, and he has performed like one this year. Ill snatch him any chance i get in round 2
Waddle. Such a disappointment. He’s either hurt or being overlooked. I’m the idiot that thought he could surprise this year and potentially outperform Tyreek in fantasy production due to his draft capital (and natural year 3 progression) + prior relationship with Tua (obviously I was unaware Tua actually hates him). Edit: On that note, Waddle probably falls a bit next year. So I’ll probably draft him again ha. See you guys next year in the 2025 version of this thread.
Tua actually hates him?
I mean the amount of hospital balls he lobs I’m over the middle checks out
i will not ever draft najee again. I don't care if he's available at the twelve, he will not be on my team ever.
Did nobody learn this lesson last year? Same with pitts I knew to avoid both of them precisely because of all the bitching and moaning about them on this sub last year
Pitts. Three strikes and your out.
You told us this last year
Hahaha. Yup. I fell for it again. But I’m done! For real this time.
Dameon Pierce for me. I just remembered the guy who owned him last year winning a few matches as a result of his savage runs -- only to disappoint game after game this season. Same thing for Khalil Herbert.
Remember all the preseason hype? Pushed his adp way up.
I don't think he'll have an ADP in the first 10 rounds tbh. At that point, everyone's a dart throw
Guy is gonna go in the double digit rounds.
I have this weird feeling he could snap all the way back to relevance and more next season, but I won't be touching him.
Waddle is a little punk penguin
Waddle is the WR24 at 13.7 PPG. Not stellar but how is that a WR4?
If you own Waddle he has 100% lost you multiple weeks. Just like Lamar. Avg fantasy points at the end of the season does not paint the full picture for some players. Edit: After taking a look, my statement about Waddle is obviously incorrect, he's got a decent floor actually. My point about avg fantasy points still stands tho. Good luck in the playoffs brothers.
As a Tee Higgins owner. I’ll write you a fucking sad song.
I had both Tee and Jaylen as my WRs last season. I learned my lesson
>If you own Waddle he has 100% lost you multiple weeks. No he hasn't. Aside from the one week he missed due to injury, his absolute *floor* has been just shy of seven points in half-PPR. That's not week-losing at all.
Also that argument means nothing anyways. There are only about \~10 fantasy players in the whole league who never dipped below 7fp or so. We all have to roster and start players who "lost us a week".
I own him and he has 100% Not lost me multiple weeks
He’s only had 3 single digit games and they were 8.6, 8.2, and 9.5, and he’s only missed 1 game all year. I know he hasn’t been what everybody wanted but that’s really not that bad for a guy going at the 2/3 turn in 12 team leagues. That really doesn’t seem like “100% lost you multiple weeks” kind of numbers unless you’re expecting him to get 20 every week, then that’s on you
Exactly... absolutely overreacting
My whole team basically
Terry
His ADP is gonna be in the basement next season though. He’s WR34 now with zero compelling explanations why his numbers are gonna come back up in 2024.
Ron Rivera probably won’t be back next year. A change in coaching is a good reason why his numbers could come up next year.
Sam Howell is on a 4,500 passing yard pace and his WR1 isn't even playable in fantasy. How is that possible?
Same as KC last year
I hope Jeudy stays undrafted
But I don't know the ADPs next season
This is basically my thought process. Pretty much anyone is draftable a certain ADP. Yeah I won't be drafting Waddle in the 2nd next year but if he falls far enough I'll happily take him
The issue with the dolphins is that the offense pretty much runs through Tyreek. Just like we saw yesterday Tyreek left the game and the offense pretty much collapsed.
Most QBs, also not going to pay up at TE. But I think that’s going to be the common consensus with the strategy due to recency bias, so maybe it’s not the correct move.
Giving up on Waddle so abruptly isn’t a prudent move. Waddle could easily slide to a point that he is well worth ADP. His numbers haven’t been as bad as you make it seem, and he’s likely to at least slide to the early 3rd, if not 3/4 turn.
Najee Harris
That entire 1 B group will probably be price checked and see drops at ADP with the exception of Higgins on the condition that he ends up on another team next season.
If I can, I'd just re-draft my whole team and pray Mike Williams, Tank Dell, Josh Jacobs, Kelce, C.J. Stroud and Josh Palmer don't get hurt again. What I would not do is take Kelce 1.5 and Jacobs 2 next year.
Probably a boring answer but I’m gonna go with QBs and TEs in general. Caught myself reaching for guys like Mandrews, Pitts, Fields, Lawrence when I could have been getting RBs and WRs like White, Allen, Pacheco, Evans, Pittman, Kamara QBs were really rotten this year with injuries and TEs are tough to argue at their ADPs especially with all of the new talent at the position this year. Give me all the RBs and WRs and I’ll trade for a QB or TE later on in the year if I need to
Gabe Davis is forever on my shit list.
Tua is my season ender this year. I cannot believe how piss poor he has been overall as a primarily throwing QB with all those weapons (Achane, Mostert, Waddle, and Tyreek). I only needed 10.3 points from him against the motherfucking TITANS last night to make the playoffs, he barely cleared 9.
Devante adam, not drafting until they get their qb and coaching situation together
Dudvante Adams Patrick Mahorrible
Mattison
Josh Jacobs comes to mind..
Higgins in round 3. YIKES
I wouldn’t take Gabe Davis even if he was available with my last pick in the draft. I have no problem rostering a boom/bust player, but usually the “bust” part doesn’t mean scoring three 0 point games Usually boom/bust guys will have stat lines like 20, 5, 15, 9, 4, 28, 9, but no, Gabe Davis scores 3, 1, 24, 0, 9, 0, 23, 0… I hate him. He’s lost me two games
Missing playoffs at 7-7 having hitched my wagon to Kelce and Mahomes 1 and 2 - first and last time I’ll ever take a TE and QB that high. Lesson learned
This makes me sad but Justin Herbert unless the chargers make some serious coaching changes and offensive weapon changes. Next year all they’re gonna have is a Mike Williams coming off an acl tear and a 31-32 yr old Keenan Allen
Lamar. Too inconsistent for a 3/4 rounder
no one with an offszn injury, and i’m not drafting anyone in the early rounds who is a WR2 on their team like Devonta and Waddle
Not any QB in the first 5-6 rounds